Xbox Is Worse Than I Thought...
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2023
- Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! This time we take a look at the Xbox leaks and realize the future for their brand is a focus on keeping files away from you and the ownership locked entirely to their whim. Thanks for watching!
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Increasingly common Muta L. Dude is blinded by his hatred for Microsoft and not nearly as “passionate” as he claims to be if he honestly thinks Nintendo or Sony aren’t planning the same thing.
When (and I do mean WHEN) the next consoles from Sony/Nintendo are all digital and have no disc drives, no means to play physical media, will Muta say anything? Will he be consistent and criticize them? Will he acknowledge that the average consumer choosing digital over physical media is the main driver in this?
Is your memory so bad that you can't remember the times I've called out Nintendo for allowing physical copies to rely on downloads, I've said this in a video literally 48 hours ago, I was also one of the people to criticize Sony for the whole C-Bomb issue where physical media was rejected by the PS4 OS. Sony soon updated the firmware to circumvent this issue.
If you're gonna make claims of my alleged "fanboyism" then you need to actually backup what you say with facts.
bro is just yapping 😭😭😭😭
Pin of shame 💀
Jesus, I barely follow this channel and I still know this is the biggest reach I've seen in months.
@@SomeOrdinaryGamers wohoo roast him man. He deserves it.
The whole digital being cheaper thing is even worse when you consider some of these games are 70-80 USD and digital.
Whats a 80$ game that isn’t a pro edition?
Actully who cares 70$ at 10% sales tax is 77$ Bascailly 80
infinite copies thus making it a straight up theft
@@GrogedUpWelcome to basically any country not belonging to North America...
Worse in Canada, New games are $90 CDN, and that's just Standard Editions.
This will push emulators to their breaking point. So many people working extremely hard to make sure these games do not go away
Yeah theyre absolute legends
Kinda lowkey wanna see them drown in piracy...
God, I hope so.
How many games will be lost? Always online, live service enabled games are a chore to make playable. There’s just not anywhere near enough resources to keep up. I think people would be amazed at the amount we’ve already lost.
We won against loot boxes, look how that went. Winning battles doesn’t mean anything, not while the incentive remains the same
And good on all of them. Emulation is preservation, not just piracy
You touched upon it, and I have to say I always find it hilarious when bigger companies try to shift blame for "E-Waste" or literally any other kind of buzzword "Waste" onto us, when they're in cahoots with the top 1% of people who own 90% of the largest companies and are themselves directly responsible for most of the problems our world's environment are facing.
Please never stop posting videos like this Muta. People need to realize the consequences of going all digital in a world of drm and streaming services
They won't understand until it's too late.
Well looking on Gaming PCs now, all I can say is that you are many years too late.
My first gaming memory is digging through a cardboard box full of SEGA Genesis carts and discovering games that way. Then I moved on by creating a HUGE tub full of PS1 and PS2 games to play. Still my best memory and we need to keep physical alive.
Why, cause your memory?
@@jimmymac2292are you lobotomized?
@@jimmymac2292are you rutarded?
@@jimmymac2292critical thinking isn't your strength, is it?
You'll need to digitally backup those psychical copies because the disc is going to rot
The problem with digital only media is that there's no consumer protection if the distributor decides to arbitrarily remove your privilege to access it. That is the problem that has to be fixed.
Make a local copy.
@@grantkeller4634doesnt work if its an online game that you need to connect to servers.
@@grantkeller4634 Ever heard of DRM? On PC it’s doable, but try doing that on an updated Series X or PS5 or Switch where you have to be on a lower firmware to even hack it (Xbox isn’t even hackable yet), which most people won’t have and they also won’t want to lose online connectivity. The solution is for these companies to not be greedy fucks and let us keep physical
Your right, but I think at this point, someone like Muta will never say this, because it doesn't support the Angry agenda he's trying to push. I do like the guy, mostly, but this is a topic where he almost always loses all the nuance he usually has.
Because you buy a usage license thats why they can do that.
I am 100% with Muta. I really miss having that hard copy in my hand. Not to mention being able to purchase real physical copies for gifts. All digital stinks.
Stop living in 2007 dude
digital is better and easier to use
@@forloco6508nah, I can find a disk for a 10 year old game for $20, the Xbox store is gonna be selling it for full price of $60. Once your only option is digital and the ONLY option is through Microsoft, all deals/sales will pretty much be done because you really have no other option than to go through them.
What about gog? They let you download offline instalator and has no DRM.
@velvet5922 just ignore these guys in your comment section they obviously don't understand
i think the problem is company's assume we will play a game for a certain timespan after release and then never come back to it where as in reality most people who enjoy games want to be able to play something for a while set it down and then come back and play again or replay it a few years later after they haven't played it for a while to be able to play it with a new set of eyes/experiences. they are basically taking away the second half of what most gamers enjoy about games.
No it is greed, it is entirely greed.
I still do that with digital lmao.
As a biologist I'm very well aware of the importance of sustainability, landfill issues, climate change and environmental destruction, and you're absolutely right when you say the issue is being used as a trojan horse. These companies DO NOT CARE about plastic packaging or blu ray discs going to landfill.... at all. What they do care about is the increased profits that comes from an all digital product. No physical product manufacturing and no physical transport. Plus, they get to enforce heavy handed DRM and can life-limit games by killing servers, forcing customers to buy newer games. It's all about profit. Its even questionable whether all digital is truly better for the environment, since servers use an enormous amount of energy and water (for cooling). Sufficed to say, don't buy into that corporate spin. The best way to help the environment is to hang onto products for as long as possible and re use.
how many physical video games are thrown out every year? some people might throw out the case for some reason, but I doubt new discs are ending up in landfills, at least not in very high rates
@@SS64DDmillions
Not sure of the legitimacy of the claims but Microsoft servers say they run 100% green. If they weren't, 2 years of running a server (about half the avg lifespan for a product of theirs) would be about the same impact wise as worldwide distribution to stores.
@@BobDevV This is honestly the worst comparison I've seen in a long time - "Impossible Foods" went through ~4 years of regulation checks before it was able to be sold.
A laundry list of chemicals, no thanks.
I'm 60% sure Muta has a secret passage in his house that leads to a glass, temperature controlled room, with a state of the art, impossible to bypass security system (I'm thinking lasers are also present), filled with physical copies of games, in order of release, from every gaming device ever made. Kind of like the rooms you see in movies that hold precious works of art, or rare books, but Muta, being a real man of culture, knows what's really precious.
I love your imagination but that percentage is too high
Like the Jedi archives shelves
Each and every game is in absolutely perfect mint pristine condition. Even scratches that can be only seen in the light are not acceptable. 😂
Ignore this post. I'm currently viewing the LTT live stream, and for some reason, it appears i can see bellow it one of Muta's video's comments section. i want to check if commenting will actually post it or it just errors out.
let him cook okay its for the better good of humanity
Film and Game preservation needs to be taken a lot more seriously than it is right now.
Good video. People should have the option of buying physical or digital games. Also killing off the disc drive mid generation is stupid. I'll just keep buying physical games as long as i can.
The Xbox brand has never fully recovered from its self-inflicted gunshot wound back in 2013. Sony's 'How To Share Games on PS4' video was a terrible blow that made Xbox look like a bunch of idiots. Their own statement about "we have a product for people that don't have internet access...the XB360" was tone deaf and really made them look arrogant too. Sony has periods where it acts very arrogant as well, but they played the PS4 launch perfectly to capitalize on XB's mistakes and have been dominant ever since.
Sony will follow. Gaming companies don't want you to own anything
@@martinthe1 That's fine. They have decided to get $0.00 of my money.
You'd hardly call it dominating? Have you compared PS4 unit sales to XB1 sales? 117 million to 58 million. That's an ass-kicking. If you saw that the score of a basketball game that was 117-58, wouldn't you say that it was a total blowout?
I left the Xbox brand after the x-bone reveal and the TV, TV, TV shit. Never looked back.
Well, that's why you're confused. You think video games are services. What an obedient little consumer you are. That's ultimately what the corporations want, because they've figured out how to let you own nothing and also suck the most money out of you with a subscription, but it doesn't mean that that's reality.
Games being delisted is the exact reason why I became a physical video game collector.
Best examples: Race Driver: GRID and DiRT 2. Both delisted and I bought 2nd hand physical copies of both games for that reason.
Shoutout to Scott Pilgrim and Spider-Man for being my fav games delisted
Yooo I did the same with Dirt 2 and Grid....easily the best in each franchise.
@@DV-ou1yu I agree! Race Driver: GRID is the greatest in the series and hasn't been bested since. Same with DiRT 2, huge improvement over the first DiRT. I'd say DiRT 3 is a little better but DiRT 2 overall is more enjoyable.
@@Basstyle1 I have Scott vs The world on my PS3 still, though it's rather frustrating early on
@@Jordsiee No, the issue with Driver: San Francisco on PC is the added Online Activation DRM on the Disc itself. That's definitely one of the downsides of collecting PC Games, the online activation DRM. I'm on the hunt for a copy of the 2010 racing game Blur
This is one of the reasons I like nintendo. They have said before that they still consider themselves as a toy seller, and you can always own your toy. Now does that make their online shit? Probably, but you take the good with the bad.
This is how I would like things to be if companies wanted to go all digital:
The console itself does not have a disc drive out of the box. If you want one, it’s a separate attachment. Then if someone wants a disc, they can go online to the publisher/developer’s website and get a disc copy of the game made to order (so no discs are sitting in a warehouse somewhere) and all the buyer would need to pay is shipping and the cost to print the disc.
I think this would be a good compromise. The people that want discs can still have a way to get it and the people who are okay with all digital can just get the consoles off the shelf and download everything.
This shit is the reason I buy CDs, DVDs, And game’s physically when possible. I want to own my media I purchase, and I hope some of the other people of my Gen will realize we’re being shafted out of ownership.
@@Unknown_Geniusyou're talking as if we can't buy physical copies for our consoles. We will continue to do so till physical copies phase out.
Me personally, I'm gonna quit gaming when this happens. Not gonna fall into this madness where people become so complacent to digital copies being shoved down their throats, claiming "ohh I don't mind, I've switched to digital long back" or "digital is just convenient" ofc they won't give a fuck, it doesn't affect them at all. I wanna be able to play the game how I want, when I want without relying on internet, on whatever version/patch I want.
People have become so complacent they don't realize they're being shafted on the daily
@@AJ-qs4vw On the micro scale its just “convenient”, on the macro scale its incredibly dystopian that our society slowly pushes us towards not actually having anything. Paying a subscription, or having the “privilege” to play a game you purchased with your money is not the same as owning it.
Its such a shame that only really a small minority of people really care about this, when I feel like it personally sets a bad precedent on the relationship between the consumer and the corporation.
They can squeeze every dime out of us while we retain little to nothing of our own. Its a slippery slope on every front. And unless we see a major cultural shift, I don’t see it getting better.
Still, I hold out hope.
It’s so important but the gen x and millennials are last widespread supporters of physical. Z and alpha are already conditioned en masse for digital and future generations will follow suit unfortunately
This is why I buy from GOG
Huge shoutout to the people who make emulators possible like PCSX2, so on and so forth and at least trying to keep these OG tittles alive. Because modern gaming is going down a very weird path that I’m not on board with.
You're prolly just getting too old and increasingly disinterested in video games as a whole. It happens. Most adults would rather spend their time with family or on other hobbies that are more satisfying than a game that no one will care about in 10-15 years from when they first started playing it. Think about how genuinely hard it is to get someone to care about your progress on a video game. Whereas, if you were to build a boat from scratch, people would admire your hard work and it would last a lifetime.
Games are not that fun anymore
@@jonengland7935wtf is this supposed to mean? Just because you may play less games doesn't mean you can't recognize bad practices and speak against them.
@@BlueflagAlphai beg to differ there are still amazing games being released
Modern gaming is incredible. You just have to stop playing ea, Ubisoft, and Activision blizzard games. So many games release now a days from so many people
Back in 2010 when I was barley getting into buying digital games and building my library I got a wake up call when the 2011 psn attack shut down the server for approximately a whole month. Ever since that I saw the value of having physical games in my disposal and not depend on outside servers to be able to even play my games that I thought I own.
in a way it's the same that happened to cars, you can take your old car to any mechanic with a bit of experience, with newer cars you're mostly forced to rely on the car firm because there is the digital umbelical chord and you're forced to feed by it for your car.
Yeah, While I do enjoy the convenience of having my games digital, I also tend to at some points get the physical versions when they become dirt cheap to add to my collection. I have a CD book much like you showed in your last video to keep them safe. Going fully digital is not a good thing, Laws in some form should be put in place to protect and maintain the relevance of physical media as a medium.
Based
If i get a digital copy.. i want to make sure i have a version on my external if i can’t get a psychical copy. Gog really is they way that is closest to owning something digital
Physical copies just cause a lot of waste to publish. All that plastic and the pollution caused by transportation. Plus, discs have a time limit before they start degrading. Look up "disc rot". CD's, DVD's and Bluray will start to develop small holes in the disc surface over time which will cause data loss.
@@grantkeller4634 you think the servers hosting the files don’t cause pollution?
A disc will last longer than any storage drive and they can’t decide to remove it from the digital store for some bullshit reason like licensing issues.
@@grantkeller4634 but eventually with discs we could figure the copy protections and make backups, as i already did with some 360 games
Honestly, if we lose physical gaming in the future and at worst case scenario have digital subscription gaming. I'll say that I won't quit gaming, but rather just not engage in modern gaming. I'll stick with old stuff at that point.
Honestly, I had a lot of fun experiences from just playing older games with fanmade mods for them. So, I can see myself being okay missing out on modern experiences in that case.
I exactly agree with you here, especially on the “I'll say that I won't quit gaming, but rather just not engage in modern gaming.” part. Gaming has been a huge part in my life. So if I lose one of the big aspects that make it worth it on my end, then I'd just boycott and make a stand rather than completely disengage with the entire community and such wholly.
The part that angers me is that companys ARE going to make this happen. If not all at once next gen then itll be small baby steps so we dotn notice it or slowly get used to it
Digital isn't in itself the problem. The problem is DRM and cloud/stream-only games. If you could backup installers, having an official physical disk wouldn't matter that much.
See I'd be so much more down for digital if this was the case but unfortunately it's not. So like I guess I'm gonna need a bigger shelf soon 😅
Xbox going all digital by 2028 sounds absolutely insane.
Yes
Nintendo and PlayStation will be doing the same. Watch.
@@Megablueliner1i hope not.
Why 😂🤡 steam is all digital? 😂🤡
Hopefully it will be there doom
This is the kind of marketing that empowers piracy. "Game delisted/censored/you ain't got enough social credit? Betcha it's on the pirate bay!”
Shit like this is why I threw a blueray/dvd-rw drive in my PC that didn't have any 'official' spots for it. It sits comfortably atop the metal bracket above my HDD mounts.
I'm very happy that all of my games that I play are offline, single player, and most importantly... from 2018 and back. I have my steam/emulator PC which is completely offline and a physical library of my games that I love across a bunch of different platforms. Gaming nowadays is not for me so I play on the offline PC or my offline Wii/PS3/360 when I get time. And Microshaft is leading the charge on validating my way of gaming.
17:49 Been waiting on your Bitboy Crypto video lol xD
Yes, thank you! Having the ability to make a local account without the requirement of internet and a sign up is a huge deal (to me) and shouldn't be taken for granted.
This also applies to Windows. Windows 10 was the last version to support local accounts, 11 doesn't let you until you have an Internet connection, that is so fucked
@@etz80808yy opening the command prompt and typing OOBE\BYPASSNRO used to work not sure if it still does though
@@etz80808yywhy the future is the internet what do you think will happen
@@etz80808yypretty much the main reason why I have straight up refused to upgrade to windows 11 on my gaming pc, despite how much microsoft nags me to do it, I don’t want to upgrade to an operating system that renders my pc completely useless when the internet connection drops, no thank you
@@etz80808yyand that is why Windows 10 is my last Windows OS. Once it's at EOL and no longer gets updates. I'll be moving over to Linux. Gamescope is improving greatly each day
I agree 100%. But seeing how Microsoft treats it's software...this was bound to happen. It sucks.
It's insane watching the west turn into a totalitarian dystopia, the throwing away of personal freedoms and doubling down on insanity.
It's not just Microsoft. It's reddit removing 3rd party APIs, Twitter trying to paywall their entire platform, the EU trying to backdoor encryption, the metaverse, Paypal censoring "misinformation", and countless other controversies that I could go on and on about.
If you're stuck in the west like I am, realize that your leaders, the government and the fortune 500 actively hate you and want to control your life by forceful measures, you're not in a free country anymore. This goes for America, New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the EU, but even the influence of these companies affects other countries as well.
Sony is no better, they removed backwards compatibility just so they can sell it again full price.
I had to reinstall Win10 several times in the past few months because for some reason their brute-forced windows updates keep bricking my system. I wonder if others experience this as well.
@rusi6219 that's because your registry is fucked... if you updated your machine and the issues affect random people, it's a end user issue.
@@meak13 thanks
05:44 Am I crazy.. or was their another "Xbox Console" that was supposed to be after the "Xbox 1"... that was in between it and the series X/S????
Great vid. Thanks for doing it.
One major problem is that Xbox caters to the loudest audience, and it's the audience that just wants new things and throws away the old one when something newer comes out, the people like me and Muta who like to constantly go back to my favourite games don't get any service that gives them a reason to be a customer for Microsoft.
Honestly DRM and refusing to archive games is a problem with many companies. Think about The Sims 4 and the DLC pitfire they have, whereas I prefer to play The Sims 2 since I still have it on Origin. The second Origin denies me the right to download and play it whenever I want, I'm pirating the game. I'm done with DRM bullshit which is why a lot of games I play at the moment are on Emulators.
As annoyingly stubborn Nintendo can be at times, this is one of those scenarios where Nintendo always being "behind" the times is something I appreciate. Nintendo never fell into the trends of the past, the First person shooter craze, the MMO phase, the Lootbox/Microtransaction phase, the "live services" phase, and now the push for digital only. If nothing else I can chill out on my Switch and avoid the bollucks of the industry for the most part.
Yeah except for the fact that too many switch games release full of bugs and you always need an updAte to make it work like it's supposed to.
@joao3547 that's usually 3rd party software. You rarely, if ever, get major bugs/performance issues with the main titles. Heck, with Zelda ToTK, the bugs were helpful lmao.
@@thegamewoods8473 All Switch mainline Pokemon games (except Legends?) released in a heavily bugged state,have expensive DLC and didn't even have online connectivity for a long time.
Also INB4 the "but Nintendo doesn't own Gamefreak", they own 1/3 of the company - they should prohibit them from releasing such heavily bugged games.
If it isn't a flagship franchise (e.g. Mario,Kirby,Zelda) Nintendo doesn't care.
@lalas3590 Pokémons issue can be connected completely to the necessity to have a game out by a certain date because Pokémon is a media empire and delaying the game would mean having to delay, the anime, the TCG, and the countless merchandise accompanying it. And regardless, it is GameFreak that needs to be held responsible, not Nintendo. That's like blaming Microsoft for all of StarFields issues. GameFreak makes the games, Nintendo is simply the publisher. Also it's only S/V that have had egregious bugs anyways. Legends was great, Sword/Shield were alright, and Let's Go/Gen 4 remakes issues weren't graphics or performance.
And to say Nintendo doesn't care outside Mario/Zelda is flatly wrong. Pikmin, Splatoon, Metroid, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, all fantastic, zero issues across the board.
my copy of kirby star allies came with the second wave of dream friends on the cartridge. they're not averse to adding update data to game cartridges@@joao3547
I love how even when people talk about this stuff, people cast stones and call you a console warrior or a fear monger, even if it’s an undeniable truth.
To be fair, as someone who is agnostic on the situation, it does come across as fear-mongery. Even if he's eventually right, people aren't hurting now so it makes sense they aren't afraid. They also have 10+ years of digital assets with no issue, so it's hard to imagine that just goes away.
it is blowing everything out of proportion. i have digital games still surviving when physical copies from the same era have already failed. most of my xbox discs are unreadable now. my pc discs from the 90's? lol, NONE of it made it to 2015, let alone now. but i do have files on my hard drive that i have been carry since my first computer back in 1994.
mostly piracy will preserve everything if im honest@@GraveUypo
@@GraveUypo Careful, someone might accuse you of not taking care of your physical copies well enough and therefore it is your fault.
@@Misanthropolisbecause its the truth
I totally agree with you, i am really concerned for the future of gaming DRM eg, if this is the Xbox digital future i would definitely decline.
I want to own my games and the thought of not owning and physical media just disappearing really worries me.
I am going to preserve my collection of games for as long as i possibly can. 😐
Remember guys. Sustainability to these companies means taking ownership from you because in their mind, you owning things is unsustainable.
God forbid the multibillion dollar company use some of their money to find ways of being sustainable themselves without providing a markedly worse experience for everyone. Too much effort I suppose.
@@_Ciaran_Maher They already have sustainability, they want growth.
Infinite growth.
@@Dragoonsoul7878late stage capitalism in action
I can just imagine how it is for some gamers out there that may only have mobile data as internet for their phone and would have to search up every game they’re looking to buy to see if it’s actually playable offline physically
Yeah. They would be touching more grass than the average person.
@@zeliph I used to only have data on my phone for a long while where I lived. It actually gave me a great excuse to go back and play my older games I never finished and pick up new single player games. But that was when they all had a physical version that worked. Nowadays it would suck
Literally me.
My brother's both play games online on the same mobile Hotspot on a phone. They have to drive into town to download games at my house but there's enough throughput to game with the homies.
If you only have mobile data as internet access, the last thing on your mind would be purchasing games.
Netflix, Reddit, Unity, Microsoft and i'm sure there were more. There seems to be a pattern of companies either squeezing their customers off more money or just giving a much worse deal while offering nothing or even less than they originally did.
It's pure capitalism (and me saying this isn't saying capitalism bad) greed. Every year these corporations push for more and more profits for shareholders. Their only goal is to make more money and that's all they care about.
Gamers deserve issue
You forgot sony. Imagine charging players $10 for an upgraded version of their games
The capitalism era is coming to an end, now we are approaching something much worse: techno feudalism.
Late stage capitalism is about innovating new and creative methods of rent-seeking behavior, not about innovating new or better products.
Ngl, watching your vids about this stuff over the last couple years made me release how important discs are. Because of you im gonna start buying all my new games physically
Disc boxes are also really good decorations, there’s something comforting about a shelf full of games
I wouldn’t believe a company could be THIS out of touch with their community if I didn’t see it for myself
Ah yes they are out of touch physical media selling 5% of sales and the rest digital those people are the ones out of touch not you people
Oh they're very in touch with the community when they see the vast majority of sales is digital.
@@Delta169 these physical junkies are delusional
"You'll buy what we say you'll buy, walking wallet!" - Microsoft, on the release of...pick a product
they are WAY more in touch than other companies especially sony, xbox makes a library of games available for around 12$ a month and sony raises the price of there online services for no reason 💀
I completely agree with this take me personally I don’t like that everything is becoming the digital and recently I’ve done everything that I can within my power to get things physical instead of digital
The only reason i have more digital than physical is that theres alot more sales on the digital stores. Even so i regret having mostly digital.
Keep up the good fight Muta, we wont let physical games die. A lot of us still collect physical even tho the preservation numbers are dwindling.
@@Unknown_Genius 💯
Another one of the big issues with going fully digital, besides preservation, is that it completely cuts off the open market, and gives Xbox, Playstation, etc. COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THE DIGITAL MARKET. This isn't like PC where you can find a deal on a different online storefront like Epic, you can ONLY get games on their market place, and they have free reign over prices, censorship, if a game is worth keeping in the marketplace etc. Isn't the EU fighting over this right now with Apple? The same thing will HAVE TO happen to consoles if they go full digital...
I think they pretty much already have it, you go to a game and 80% of they things they sell are not games, are mangas, comics, posters and funkos, only 20% of the videogame store are videogames
@@BobDevVmaybe you. But I actually own my games by sailing the high seas and gog.
@@BobDevV I do download the offline installers. As if companies are going to bust down my door for pirating. You do effectively own them no matter if they call it stealing.
does it same like when we buy game on steam?
Just like with physical release of movies you can wait to buy it once it is cheap or second hand. Then you can more easily compete with subscription service with its price, then there is still more convenience with subscription if you get what you want to use.
This is literally my issue right now. On Monday my Xbox profile of eleven years was banned with no evidence or explicit reason other than "community guidelines violation". I literally haven't played on console in weeks or months and I now have lost access to a digital cabinet of hundreds of online games I have purchased. This also applies to game pass as I no longer may use it on any platform. The only solace is that almost all of my 360 games are discs.
Damn that sounds horrible.
The whole entire world feels anti-consumer
Just US based companies, sadly they have huge impact across the world.
@@potassiumming04 Yea
@@potassiumming04people are calling Nintendo pro consumer in here! LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hey Muta I'd like to know where I can buy a physical disc of Starfield for my favorite platform being PC
While I find having digital games convenient (I like it) it does come with the fear if say Steam suddenly goes out of business and completely shuts down I lose my entire library. 😬
I actually miss having to own the physical copy of the game and just have it forever. I remember when FFVII came out and it had like 5-6 discs but that game was yours forever to own but it did come with the risk. If you are missing one disc or it’s scratched pretty badly, you can’t play the game. Digital games in essence solved that issue which is why games are like 75GBs and it’s all stored on a single hard drive, you just need high speed internet and a 1TB NVMe so it can load super fast.
I don't understand how digital is that more convenient, you put the disk in and maybe you download something maybe you don't, if waiting is the issue digital is slightly longer.
Coming from someone that has been an Xbox consumer for three console cycles now and purely buys digitally, I can easily say that fully going digital and not having physical copies would be as detrimental for the ecosystem as the advent of horse armor dlc. While this wouldn't impact me with my current consumer tendencies, I can easily recognize how damaging a path like this would be.
i love physical games. I have been collecting them for a few years now. without physical games, an upsetting amount of games would be lost, and I don't think that most people realize how much we have to lose
@@SS64DDyou lose nothing of important
@@EmperorDxD just because you don't care about the games that aren't preserved doesn't mean they don't matter.
at the moment, Nintendo isn't selling the vast majority of their GameCube and Wii library, along with their DS and 3DS libraries. without physical games, you wouldn't be able to buy any of those games anymore.
@@SS64DD thankfully the emulator gods preserved many good retro games and companies like pocket analogue revive some of the old consoles and handhelds by having to actually use physical copies of a game to play on their console NATIVELY.
@@EmperorDxDhow are we not losing here bud? Games going full digital doesn't affect those who prefer digital copies one iota. The purchasing experience, the downloading experience, doesn't change at all. Only the physical version advocates lose and boy that ain't good
The whole reason I switched from the s to the x was because of the disk drive, I love owning my shit physical because it looks great for display, and I and can play anytime i want without wifi, and in 30+ years if I want to play elder scrolls six I can boot up the series x and start playing it. And in my honest opinion nothing beats the feeling of going into a gamestop and buy a game with the money you saved up (im still 15) and walking out extremely eager to play it on the car ride home.
The funny thing is, digital is not just not cheaper than physical but a lot of times it’s more expensive. At first I was all for digital but when I buy 3 digital games when I could have bought 4 physical for the same price it made me think why spend the money on something I don’t own
The fact that old cod games are still 40-60 bucks digital is fucked when you can buy a physical copy and truly own it forever for 10 lol
@@JoemamaTheHybridCherry picked example to fit your narrative. Digital games often go on sale sometimes up to 50% and they decrease in price over time.
Whenever I think of companies caring about “sustainability” I think of apple when they stopped including a Charger with their phones in order to “create less waste from packaging” when in reality you’re going to use twice as much packaging when you have to go out and buy a cable (in a large box) and a charging brick (in a large box) and if you order those online there’s gonna be like 1000% more packaging if they were to just include it.
I see this as a half glass situation personally. I think Sony and Microsoft are both pushing for this all digital future. Sony however are playing the "Your move first" in this situation. Microsoft pushes for normalization of an all digital future and takes the PR hits while Sony scoop us up until the market share is big enough for digital and small enough for physical they can just go "Physical is no longer sustainable." I said this is a glass half situation because while they both seemingly are pushing this I think the fact Microsoft has backpedaled twice now along with Sony shows we consumers do still hold some bargaining power to sway them from otherwise.
Agreed. Well said.
Exactly. Sony is also going all digital in the future it's inevitable. Both consoles will offer an add-on disc drive no doubt. PC gaming is bigger than both consoles and no one's bitching about it being all digital for more than a decade now! I also own my games on steam and I can download uninstall them whenever I want.
@@Ir-jq5kb "i own my games on steam"
loool, no you dont.. you dont own anything on Steam. You only OWN when its DRM free/ cracked and backed up without steam sucker.
I had my steam account for 13 years and got a lot games that got delisted frome the steam I can still play them or get a file online @@heyjeySigma
But Sony’s also on the Blu-Ray manufacturing board so I imagine they still have a vested interest in continuing to print physical media.
Microsoft tried to do this at the START of Gen 8 or did everyone magically forget?
They also have the most buttoned-up DRM-heavy console of the 3 where I believe you can’t even complete your initial console setup without connecting to the internet (and if I’m somehow MISTAKEN on that, there’s a great group on socials called Can It Play or something like that and I believe they said something like 95% of all PS5 games can be played straight out of the box upon installation with no internet connection required whereas with Xbox, that number goes down by double digits to like 70% or less).
Microsoft is the literal definition of, “How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man”.
Every Gaming company is
It’s just more convenient to have digital copies than discs . It’s the future, move on
*How is it the future to not own me fookin games?*
@@Mordecrabs Convenience isn't the only consideration to make. What about games that have a digital shelf-life of 2-3 years in the case of the Forza games because of their licensing expirations? They're not the only examples, but they're the best ones because their license does expire within that short time span. That's hardly enough time for a digital sale or two to knock down the price below $40. How convenient is it to pay $60-70 for a game that will pretty much be dead in 2-3 years? Even worse, if access to a game you buy is revoked entirely, you have no rights to a refund. Apple already proved that these businesses can take your money without any obligation to offer a service in return. They delisted several movies and songs people payed for through their storefront, and when they tried to sue for refunds or exchange of content, their EULA gave Apple legal immunity because it was an "accepted risk" of purchasing a license for digital access on their storefront. These gaming companies run on the same business model with the same legal protections written into their EULA's. You might as well just give strangers on the internet your credit card information if you don't mind giving away your money for nothing in return. How's that for convenience?
@@Mordecrabshahaha no
I want to comment on the "digital prices are the same as physical". You know, sometimes like with PS4, purchasing games digitally can even be more expensive that disks. But there's a good reason for that, if digital purchases were cheaper from the very beginning, game disks would have died already in the Xbox 360 generation. That's because not everyone is so passionate about getting a physical copy (+ shelf real estate is limited), if they can get it cheaper and faster in digital form, I would say most people would jump in. If anything, that pricing strategy is what have helped discs to survive this long.
I'm in a niche case, where I wanted to try out different consoles. Been playing on PS since PS2 (before that it was like Lego Rock Raiders on the PC lol). But yea, I wanted to try out different console, but not pay full price. So I found the Series S, second hand in almost perfect condition for 180 euros (brand new 300) and later bought a Switch secondhand as well. And on both with just digital games. Game Pass on the Xbox is really convenient for me in this case.
But in every other case I would normally prefer disc over download!
We already see this with movies and tv shows. If you don't have it on disc and the stream service wants to cut the movie from their line up, you will never see that shit again. I don't see why so many people can't understand this.
I do like my physical copies. For our generation I feel it. However I think for people in the future they may be conditioned to not care about physical releases and it may even be normalized. We may care about owning the product we buy in terms of games, but it could be the case that future generations will not care.
Well getting rid of disc drives entirely will sure do that
@@MotionCC we will sail the seven seas then.
They already don't. These companies are not at all innocent since they're the ones pushing for this change and are ultimately the ones who'll make the change happen.
But just how much blame can we really attribute them when the average consumer doesn't really care? How many times have we seen games get delisted and how many people still don't care? All these companies are really doing is taking advantage of that disinterest.
@@roguescorner9042 I’m obviously talking about the customer, not the companies. A customer born in a time where physical copies don’t exist probably won’t care is my point.
@@Unknown_Genius Why are you telling me old news? Who cares if they implemented this a decade ago. That’s not my point. We still have physical copies regardless of what those companies did. It isn’t gone entirely and probably won’t in our lifetime. However, if we do get to a point where they are finally obsolete, the gamers of that time won’t give a shit because it’s like ancient technology to them and they’re just used to digital copies. Many people in our current time still care about physical copies to some degree and prefer owning that piece of content, fine. I doubt future generations will care. Mutahar in general is doing this thing called fear mongering. This is not as big of a deal for most of the population. If anything this a threat game preservation which is the real problem.
Hey man I was having the same thoughts after hearing about this. The moment I can't buy my games is the moment I'm done. I'm not mad or sad because like you I have that many games that I'll never be able to play them all. So much stuff to check out that I couldn't care when all three companies stop selling physical games.
This is so sad what's happening to the gaming industry 😔
Welp, a pirates life for me I guess
I'll be sailing with ya man !! 💀😂
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I mean only makes sense. If you own the ROM file, you can keep it forever.
Literally giving you ownership of the game.
i think preservation of games generally comes down to fan base and redistribution. via emulation, cracks. etc./ otherwise we would have lost 1000's of games already due to licensing, or legal issues. but physical copies should always be an option. there are still a majority that prefers it.
@@Unknown_Geniusnah you can stillbuse serial keys for games that are long gone are
I really like the idea of having physical copies but maybe it would be a good idea to move away from disc's/CDs and maybe move towards something similar to Nintendo switch type cartridges. They are small like a memory card can hold up to 100's of gb. At the same time some of those cards are really expensive. But it could push hardware even further without having to deal with a massive disc reader.
I will not be getting the next Xbox if it doesn’t have a disc drive. Actual ownership and playing what I want, when I want, no matter if anyone else’s network or computer is up, is important to me.
Sony: “Let’s name our consoles numerically so that people can keep easy track of the console generations.”
Nintendo: “Let’s give our consoles unique names that highlight their unique features.”
Microsoft: “Wait, you guys are naming your consoles?”
I like how these 'sustainability' features like being diskless/digital-only is also the same thing that turns the console into e-waste once servers go down. But at least it comes in 100% recyclable packaging!!!!
This is a good point. If the PSP Go wasn't hackable it would be e-waste now.
@@niteflash06yes, psp 3000 ftw
You can still play your owned games offline though. Its no more e-waste than that old ps1/n64 everyone claims they want to go hook up and play.
@@lilpimp994 What about games where the entire thing isn’t on the disc and the servers that would normally download the rest shut down lmao
@@IceBlueLugia that sounds like a physical disc buyer’s problem. If you keep all your digital games on a storage device you wouldn’t need to worry about anything except the device breaking down.
Another thing thats annoying me about digital is the physical Collector's editions comming with a steelbook case and a digital code, a code that has an expiry date, so if the games old enough, buying or selling a mint in box CE wont even include the game
Plus they still have the manufacturing and transportation costs of the CE so how much did they really save by adding a code instead of a disc for the steelbook case
i can see the look of sadness and defeat on his face at 13:15 poor guy looks like louis rossman
I'm with you Muta. Once consoles go full digital, I'm out. Not paying sky high day one prices for games with no value, or to rent under a walled garden that can be pulled at any given time. And console exclusives will eventually make their way onto PC making it all moot to own one.
Found the leak very intriging with their whole roadmap basically out in the wild. And am excited for a couple games. Only.. a few things that worries me is Microsoft's intent on pushing cloud gaming onto us and with the new, refreshed digital only Xbox; thats, moving more towards into their digital only vision and subscription services.
All I know is I'm not interested or investing in future Xbox's as I don't really gel with what they are going for.
I hate the idea of cloud gaming. Especially as someone that loves mods. I LIKE having games ON my PC.
You are just 10% , 90% of pep buy Digital, why I would waste my space with cancer plastic that you can't recyle?
just quit now lmao
@@rolf1819you didn’t get the point did you? It’s not about “attachment” only. It’s about the fact that these services can always be plugged out one day and suddenly all those games you “had access to digitally” suddenly aren’t because the service is no longer available. People like you licking the boots of corporations are the reason why they get away with so many shady stuff and why they are slowly taking away ownership from us. We buy their stuff we should be able to OWN IT 100%. NO EXCEPTIONS
Bye you won't be missed
While I agree with your video you have to factor in that this document was typed in 2020, when digital gaming exploded. Most likely now that their next ten years were leaked they will probably change what they intend to do, and also maybe already have. The only reason this document specifically was required by court is because it had mentions to purchase Activision to boost gamepass numbers.
no, that's just how far ahead these companies need to look, constantly. They've been meaning for an all-digital future for decades now.
Do you not understand how roadmaps work? Companies, governments, and individuals do this to plan..
@@DrakonR Roadmaps change frequently, that's how you stay in business, you adapt to schedules and changes, the whole court case absolutely change their plans. Also it's a business model which is very different to a roadmap.
You clearly have no idea what is a roadmap. They already planned what to do
@@BlueflagAlpha Most companies change there Roadmaps to alter for deadlines and production bumps. There is zero way you can say the court case didn't alter plans
Ever since I got a PS4 and Xbox 1 in 2017 I was like screw this crap. I was like "I just want to put the disc in and it plays, not any of this download bs."
I live in Japan. If it wasn't for physical media, I wouldn't have been able to play Callisto Protocol as the Japanese release was cancelled.
If the game didn't have a physical release, I wouldn't have been able to play the game.
Physical vs Digital: I have never lost a digital copy of a game - sometimes I wish I had the physical disc for collection purposes - I have had my physical disc damaged, stolen or lost before
I've never lost, broken or had a physical game stolen before, but all it takes to lose your entire library of digital games is a spoofed link, phishing attempt or just plain ol' changing your password because Google demands it, and you can't remember what you changed it to. Nearly lost all my accounts to that last one, despite answering all my security questions and having my phone number, and Google still not deeming that as enough.
If you're physical copy is damaged, lost, or stolen that's on you keep yourself organized and maintain a healthy clean environment as for stolen have a limited amount of trust don't just let anyone into your personal space and preferably keep them somewhere in a confined space where they're not viable if someone else in your house decides to have guest
@@elhazthorn918 Not if it's DRM-free. If it was all DRM-free, there would be no real difference between storing the data on a disc, SD card, SSD, etc. The REAL problem with "digital" is DRM.
This issue has been a growing one for years. As laughable as it might seem , it would be worth getting a petition together and write a letter with said petition attached to the appropriate FTC staff. If they see the issue brought up enough, they won’t be able to ignore it. Again, an idea worth trying so I figured I’d put it out there.
Other ideas and suggestions are worth mentioning below 👇🏾
The whole reason I got the Series X was for the optical drive. I have a lot of games that require discs, so the Series X made the most sense. Plus, at the Walmart near my house they typically have most games half off their retail price.
This comes as no surprise since Microsoft has made concerted efforts to violate the freedoms on their end users and the entire tech industry for ages. They're basically the WEF of the gaming world, which again makes sense because they also have strong ties with them too.
Server farm and constant electricity vs disks, what's more sustainable, green..
You could easily use rechargeable AAs.
Super Nintendo guy here. Still own along with a Genesis, PS4 and a shit ton of PS2 games in various places of the house. Physical copies need to always exist. Im far too interested in seeing what the next game cleaning method will be. I survived thru blowing in cartridges to using a shirt to clean discs, im living thru the next gen of cleaning apparatus
Clean up them harddrive space😂
Its wild to think about. I own games older than I am, i buy the cartridge or disc and it works. Will kids in 20 years be able to do that?
I stopped playing xbox a couple years ago. My login stopped working even after changing password multiple times. Asked xbox support and they made me reset the account. I lost all my games, progress and everything i payed for and their response was '' oh well sucks to be u! ''
the thing about this is all companies are like this
4:26 I had to deal with this exact issue when trying to play halo split-screen with with my family members. You can use a guest account, but it's gone after you sign them out and then you have to change back the game settings each time you want to play split-screen again. Honestly one of the most annoying parts of being an xbox user if you want to play locally.
I have bought some physical games from stores that were clearanced or on sale over the years. It isn't a huge collection but i got a good amount of them for the Xbox Series and PS5 if I get either one someday. Given what Microsoft has been pushing with these leaks, and the possibility that Sony is pushing the same thing, I don't know if I'll end up getting these consoles after all. Which means getting those physical games will be all for nothing and leaving me with more resentment to these companies. I have little faith they are wanting to keep the disc consoles in circulation for much longer if this is where they are going.
It is sad many consumers think it's ok to actually lose an option on how to buy a product. So many people saying, "Get with the times" when they don't really understand what that really means for the future. And that's what I hate: Modern Days of Gaming. Consumers are so stupid, they will accept any garbage that is thrown at them even if it's bad. Like Asmongold said, people will keep making excuses saying, "Oh it's not THAT bad. There's some good things about it." This is why AAA games are unfinished at release, riddled with microtransactions, locked down with DRM, jacked up in price, and try to be a service rather than a product because of "Getting with the times."
I'm afraid these days I've been thinking the same thing with the video game industry. I'm going to duck out of modern gaming if this doesn't get better. If there are any games I'm interested, they're going to be indie games and available on GOG or Steam just to support them. I know Steam isn't perfect either, someone will try to make my whole argument invalid because of one thing, but consumers gonna consume . Otherwise, I have a ton of untouched games I've collected over the years, bought and some found on the seven seas, that I won't care what happens to the games industry. More and more people are starting to feel that way and eventually we won't be around to put out the flames the industry keeps creating, and maybe that's for the best.
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@@DaRealXotic Good luck 👋
The one thing that makes digital an option for me is that in my country buying physically is WAY more expensive than digital.
In digital I get the games at $60 USD
Buying physical in a store can cost me around $100/$120 USD
Which is a shame because I like to own the stuff I buy.
I think you can probably combine digital download and ownership in some eay. Like on the Steam Deck, where you can install to an SD card. It's not exactly the same since you still need steam yo run those games, I just mean there is nothing technical stopping having a large storage medium that ypu can install your games to and then run from like you would with a disc, which could preserve ownership and make do less crap ends up in a landfill. The reason not to is probably because they want you to rely on their service, like Muta mentions in the video, rather than being not possible from a technology point of view.
I remember when I wasn't for either digital or physical copy. Then PT happened. I was shown what would happen if a company wanted to kill off a game just because. Yeah digital only is BS.
I appreciate hearing a different opinion and thoughts from people like you when I can, it's really refreshing from the others I hear at the time.
Right there with you. I prefer to own my games. This all digital future is a non starter for me. Retro/emulation/and GOG for me all the way.
Got me reminded of the thing when the XBOX app on early Windows 11 always forgot my external HDD, where I put my GamePass games on and had to always reinstall them. I thought it was a bug. I already violated my terms and turned to piracy of old games.
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Honestly, I loved being able to pop in a game on the DS and not have to worry about upgrading my SD card storage to be able to download the new game. It sucks that so many manufacturers don't care enough to make things conveniently simple anymore. Nowadays, you'd need a constant internet connection alongside 6 different DRMs just to launch mario kart
@@softsilkentofu Download play was also amazing. It actually probably contributed to a good amount of sales
If you think it's bad now, don't worry, it will only get worse
@@FlamespeedyAMV we know, and it's horrible
Ngl these two videos on Xbox have been kinda a miss for me. I dont even play on console at all anymore. The reality is digital IS where the market is heading and that is the future. Tbh I REALLY dont care if a game "requires internet" nowadays. Sure, I think we should advocate to have legal ownership for our games. But even currently as a PC gamer: Ive bought EVERY game digitally and not ONCE had a genuine issue with me "not owning a game". In reality I can play any game I own still when I want. Not once has that been attempted to be taken away from me and even if in some extreme scenario that DID happen, the beauty of PC is you have easy access to emulators and... how should I say this: Buried Treasure.
So at the end of the day: YES, you CAN go back and play those games even if you dont own them physically, to say otherwise is just disingenuous imo. If you seriously will "quit gaming" over the loss of physical media, with all due respect that is the most boomer thing ive ever heard. These games WILL be preserved one way or another through emulation or otherwise, do you seriously care about owning the plastic box with a disc in it OVER simply playing games?
This may be a hot take as well but: Regardless of the legal technicalities of it, I pretty much consider accessibility to a game equal to ownership, (unless youre paying for a timed subscription like game pass) as yet again, ive had no reason to suggest otherwise. Its fine to prefer physical media, I respect it as the 360 is where I started in gaming. But digital for the most part is simply just superior especially in terms of convenience. Overall I get the point youre trying to make but I dont think its as big of a deal as you make it out to be right now. These videos are kinda an L overall imo and an overreaction. Pretty much the entire industry "locks you to their storefront", Xbox, Playstation, Steam, Nintendo etc. So yes: On a very technical level I dont "own" any of my games, but I can still play every single one when and where I want so therefore: Yes I am still happy.
Also we can notice that he's never called out valve for being the ones that started this in the first place
Also I like how I don't have to worry about losing my games or my dog getting ahold of them and chewing on the disk.
Muta's voice modulator didn't kick-in at 13:55
Genuine question: As someone who actively tries to get physical media (as of more recently), I unfortunately bought some of my favorite games digitally. Would you guys recommend storing them on external storage or just buying a disc copy? Thanks!
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id just download them on external storage that isnt going to be wiped so you HAVE the game 👍
Personally, I found physical medium to be much more difficult to maintain owing to degradation over time, (I had a game disc that flaked out on me after a year where the data is corrupted when I try to install it) digital media is wayyyy more convenient but without the whole security of Complete ownership which sucks but then again some games are already going only Digital. Get physical games if you can I'd say cos it still will be valuable over time but do make sure to maintain them🎉
Just remember that if it's HDD, you'll have 10 years at best considering it's moving parts. SSD maybe for a while longer. Really it's only good for the short term. I'd say get a disc, new if you can and that can at last up to at least 20 years, maybe even longer. But that's me just me...@@quantumforce4791
@@wraithhehow on earth do you store your discs for it to corrupt in a year?
What would be insane and kinda cool to me, if they have an expansion bay to insert an aftermarket disc drive.
Sure we are sacrificing ownership in a sense, but the convenience of not having hundreds of discs and the natural wear they will get over time, is something i think a majority of players are willing to give up on. It isnt a perfect world and we have yo sacrifice things in life. Does it suck, yes. But digital is the future we are heading. Like i cant imagine owning a physical copy of all the games ive played on steam. Yes played. Over 400 out of the 1500 library i have. Its just not possible. And alot of people just dont have the space.
Which means you could sell the games you no longer wish to play and get some money back.
Giving you a healthier experience not just for you but your wallet.
@@Dragoonsoul7878 hopefully not to Game Stop....