1974 Chevrolet Corvette drag racing 1976 Pontiac Firebird | STOCK DRAG RACE
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2022
- 1976 Pontiac Firebird drag racing 1974 Chevy Corvette. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. Factory Stock Drag Race.
First car is a 1976 Pontiac Firebird Formula. The other a 1974 Chevrolet Corvette. The Firebird has a 400 V8 rated 180 horsepower, and the Corvette has a 350 V8 rated 250 horsepower. Both cars have 4-speed manual transmissions. Rear gearing in the Corvette is 3.73, and 3.42 in the Firebird. The Firebird weighs 4065 pounds including the driver. The Corvette weighs 3750, with driver.
Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (PSMCDR). FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire factory stock. Super Car Drag Race.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
Also make sure you find them out on Facebook.
The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - compression ratio 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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I was there that day and the track handed out complimentary calendars so the fans could time these two cars.
Hahaha
Lol yawn
So quick the driver's didn't even have to wear helmets. Afterwards they were beaten by a new Honda minivan!
It’s actually crazy how fast some of those stock mini vans are!
@@danahill7546 start a minivan class. Might be interesting.
My Dad bought a 76 formula in the 80s, 400 swapped it, raced it and it would run low 15s. Than he 455 swapped it, upgraded that and raced that, it ran high 12s. He raced the 455 from 1990 to 2004, at Englishtown and Island Dragway. He’s doing a cam swap right now, gonna get it racing 1/8th mile by August
Definitely not the best time period for speed. They still look good.
THANKS C&Z
My wife had a 74 Vette with the 4sp when we met. I couldn't believe how slow it was. So when her and her sister went to visit their parents for the week I slipped in a de camed 400 small block out of one of my race cars. It went from 250 hp to 375 hp. Even with the 355 gears, it perked it right up. When my wife got home I told her I gave her Corvette a tune-up and had her take it for a ride. She was very happy with the tune-up even after I told her it had to run on premium gas.
in the mid 80’s i dated a woman who drove a ‘81 or ‘82 vette. that car was pathetic.
Modification is all you needed to wake those cars up, engine swap or not.
lol...love it!
@@LITTLE1994, usually cast iron two bolt mains. there’s only so much you can do.
@@LITTLE1994, i didn’t mean to sound dismissive. ya, a cam kit and some exhaust work will definitely make a difference.
Even though the cars of this era had been neutered it would still be exciting to row through those gears
Yeah, three gear changes, something to occupy your time on the seemingly never ending trip to the finish line.
I was on the edge of my seat when they raced. I tried to hold my breath the entire time for each race but.... they took so long to cross the finish line that I couldn't hold it in the whole time.
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If you tried to hold your breath after the race was over, you'd be dead! That's how slow those cars were! _(4/11/2022)_
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" I can hold my breath for a long long time" - quote from Leslie Neilson from "Creep Show" a Steven King trilogy
not only do i love both cars, but the race gave me enough time to go make a sandwich and still see the end.
Can I jump off the bridge for both of those non drivers? Both are are easily 15.5 @ 90+ cars...they are in a much needed tune and driver mod...
I had both cars! A '74 Vette and a '76 Firebird, except that it was a Trans Am. Both were slow as molasses but were fun to drive anyway. That probably helped to keep me alive until I got some common sense!
Can you stop being so cool lol. My friends dad was like you cause he had all of the coolest cars.
@@boeing175 - Or told a bunch of good stories. 😁. Gotta have pics to prove it.
I used to have a 75 corvette (which was the slowest year for the vette) and it would run a consistent high 18 in the quarter mile. Lol I once got smoked by a mini van in that thing!
1981 was a much worse year for the Corvette than 1975. California Corvettes for 1981 only had a 305 V8! 🤢
In 1980 I bought a 1971 Corvette with about 140,000 miles. Base 350 with AT and 3.08 gears. I took it straight to the track and it ran 16.20s in an awful state of tune. After a rebuild it ran a best of 13.99 @ 99 with the 3.08 gear and stock converter.
Now here are two run what you brung honest cars. I guess torque wins here.
They may run like turds, but still look cooler than cars today.
Definitely. My 1989 LTD Crown Victoria's 5.0L V8 was really poor in power, with 150hp stock, but it's still a head turner. Sometimes horsepower doesn't mean everything.
@@LITTLE1994 hahaha… we now sound like our fathers! My dad said the same thing about his 1950’s cars.
@@enloealex But, you know, I'm only 28. But yeah, old fun times my parents grew up in. Lol
I actually thought that these races would be a little bit closer, and thought both cars would at least be hitting high 15's. Nonetheless, another enjoyable race! Thanks C&Z.
Was thinking the same thing. I figured mid 15 second quarter mile times. My 68 Coronet, with stock 318, dual exhaust and Holley 500 cfm 2bbl carb does high 15's in the quarter mile.
18 second quarter mile
bet that time slip ain’t pinned up on the visor! 😆
I'd be proud of that, but then my one car only has 52hp so a 18.5 ain't too shabby for what it is.
Both gorgeous looking cars, times not good but its the 70s, still as a street car with low gearing both of these would still be good to drive,on the street most of the time you are under 50mph which is why low gearing works so well. And I still enjoyed the vid.
Love your vids!!!!!
And I thought my 100k mile ‘82 Crossfire Vette was slow at 15.5
I'd think that's pretty good for an 82' car (think they came with 190Hp 350 if I'm not mistaken) The 83' H.O z28's ran about the same time's when they were tested back then
2:18 The old guy on his bike is thinking "I probably could give each of those guys a run for their money"
Man...even by '74 how far the mighty had fallen.
Thank you to the gentlemen racing their cars!! Great video C&Z!!
I had a 79 10th Anniversary T/A in high school (1985/6) with a 400/4 speed and 3.23 gears. It ran a best of 14.75 and would always run in the high 14's. The only modifications were true duals, a recurve on the distributor and a rejetting on Q-Jet. I think that would qualify under these rules. I wish I had kept it but I traded it for a brand new 1987 Formula 350. The T/A was a better car.
I had the same car. 79 TA 10th anniversary, 400 4 speed, mine actually had a rock crusher in it, WS6 package etc...not sure what the guy who had it before me did to it but it ran low 13s all day every day. Thing pulled like a tractor. Wish I still had mine too✌
@@Thedoug369 Ahh to be able to go back in time huh? I think if I could do it over I would have just gone down to the local junkyard and purchased a low mileage 455 which were every where back then for just about $150 bucks, added a small cam and headers. That would have been a direct bolt in and would have put it in the low 13's as well.
@@1967davethewave No doubt, especially since those TAs we had are going for upwards of 80k nowadays. That stings a bit lol.
I think that that guy on the bicycle beat them both! Nice cars. Sad days for performance...
I'd retire the Vette to a Sunday cruiser only.
It just needs mods
Um...I had a 1970 dart swinger with a 318 fed by a 2 barrel carb that ran faster than both of those and the track I raced it at is 1,900 feet higher in altitude compared to this track.
Like wow. Thank God the mid 1970's is gone.
It is funny that even after a 1/4 mile start they still didn't quite hit the speed limit on many highways around the country.
But could you do a Jim Rockford J turn in your Dart like the Firebird? 😁
Where the heck have you been? Life comes to a screeching halt when i don't get my dose of Cars & Zebras.
Speeding up the playback speed makes the cars look better
Holy smog cars!! They gulp down the gas quickly!
I was there the day these two "muscle cars" ran. Both shadows from these two cars crossed the finish line way ahead of the cars.
My V-6 would've gobbled both up ........of course it was in an 86 GN .
Lmao !! I just bought my 16yr old son a 2014 Subaru Legacy Premium. It has the 2.5i Boxer motor that's 185hp stock. He's been working on it a little and upgraded with a few bolt ons. And I think it gave him like 25 more horses. I was surprised at how peppy that little 4 banger is. And his car would GAP both these sorry sites for muscle cars !! I know that those engines could be made to run better. But I'm talking stock out the gate, they were absolute turds !!
I have the Trans Am version of this but it's the same car under the hood and inside, just with all the fancy "Look at me package" spoilers and Red Bird on the hood with the shaker scoop.
Bone Stock 185hp /310 torque Pontiac 400 only mines the Auto Th350 so no Overdrive gear.
But it's still a Pontiac 400 so I'm 99% sure that with a few Quick mods and a budget of $5k The clock can be turned back on that '76 400.
Back to say 1970-'71 Era Ram Air 3 Numbers without having to stroke it or bore it out.
Like for example, say we re-jet the stock Quadrajet 4-barrel carb, Port the stock 6X heads for Max Flow. and upgrade to screw in studs over pressed in. Port the Intake and swap in a Bigger hydraulic roller cam with a 114-116 LSA, roller lifters, springs, pushrods, roller rockers, and swap in forged flat top pistons to raise compression from 7.6:1 to around 9.4 and forged rods to replace the factory weak cast ones, balance the original crank, 700R4 swap, shorten the driveshaft, re-gear the rear end for 3.73 posi, longtube headers into free flowing true dual exhaust 3" out the back with some Sticky Drag Radials to hook up.
That should at least make it as fast as a Stock LT1 4th Gen Firebird right? Good for low 14s or high 13s? in the 1/4 Mile.
What am i missing?
With Poncho engines, it's all about gaining more Torque than horsepoewer because that's what gets you out of the hole at lower Rpms.
Do I have enough to gain 100hp and 150 torque?
The engine option in the Corvette is a l82 both cars should run a lot better neither one of them are running on all 8 cylinders
That Corvette is more like a 76 than a 74. Front and rear bumpers, corvette script and steering wheel are just a few things that jump out. A 76 L82 350 would be around 210hp.
Yup definitely a 76. Still a slow time for it though.
Damn, my '75 Chevy Monza with the 350 V8, 125 hp and an auto ran 16:27 at Irwindale.
Wow my 70 3/4 ton chevy ran the same numbers with a camed stock 350 trough a wide rati grany gear trans.
I could watcg this all day,,,& thats how long it takes the vette to finish :)
This was probably one of the slowest race I've seen on this channel !
I don’t care about performance…the mid 70s Corvettes are someone the most beautiful cars ever produced
Mid-'70s and 1980s were a bad time for muscle cars as their V8s were significantly toned down from the factory due the infamous 1973 oil crisis. Their engines need to be modified to wake them up to their real potential. At least they still LOOK nice!
The muscle car era was from 64-72. There were no true muscle cars built in the mid 70s and 80s.
Wow!! These are the worst/highest E.T.'s since I've been subscribed.🤔 1974 wuz a baad year!
Not entirely bad, the 455 SD in the Formula and Trans Am ran in the 13s, and the GTO with its 350 ran high 14s relatively easily. Really bad for chevy from 1971 until the LS1 came out in 1997 in the Vette and 98 in the Camaro/Firebird. I have a 1998 Formula, fun car, 27-31mpg mixed, ran mid 13s stone stock with 2.73 gears and an auto. It was my long distance economy road trip vehicle while I was in the USAF for a couple years.
@@SweatyFatGuy The 455SD was a beast!
They all can’t have 454,396,427 or 426,440,340 or 351,427,429 unfortunately but still enjoyed the race thanks.
I had that same brown Corvette and it never ran this slow. In 74 the l-82 did not have cats on them. This car runs worse than the later 305cid catted vette. Maybe a couple of wires fell off the plugs. But if you look at the races the Corvette ran a faster Mph by a lot every time so the Corvette was not really racing but just following the Pontiac for a leisurely drive.
With a cam, headers, Victor Jr and a holly 750 I was beating BB Mopars with my 74 brown l-82. With a SB 400 mated to the 350 crank it went 165MPH with the stock close ratio Munsey stone crusher.
There's that dude on the bicycle again.
Almost like watching a couple of Volkswagen bugs racing.
I worked on rebuilding a 74 Vette motor and we put flat tops and a bigger cam . I believe it had some 2.02 intakes and a 780 Holley upgrade , it ran like a real 350 .
No point in racing these 2 cars! It looked like they were in slow-motion mode! A friend of mine wrecked one of these corvettes ,hit a concrete bridge column! There was very little left of the car! Killed him and another friend of mine! Sad time!
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Too bad those C3 Corvettes didn't run as good as they looked, I think those are the 2nd best years for looks of any Corvette year except for the '63 thru '67 Corvettes. I currently have a 2004 C5 (not a Z06)with automatic and 3:15 axle, the specs say 13.3 @ 108 in 1/4 mile.
i love this channel. but the ''top'' of the line formula engine was Not the 400 4-speed, but the 455 4-speed. i should know, i owned one. this channel rocks, and we need more subscribers.
The 455 was not available in the Formula in 1976. That was a Trans Am option only.
so funny to see one of the drivers with a fishing hat :)
.And his window down. No stress.
It's like watching paint dry
Those are absolute bone stock. Add a little timing and a good carburetor tune maybe a little more
agressive driver and they would easily pick up a second or so. Still a cool race with cool cars
Yeah,they gained 10mph in the second race,if you are going to race ,race! I don’t know why anybody would have bought either one of these cars! My 1963 Falcon 289hp would run faster than that!
Do you have the Little Red Express Truck times that came after these races?
I’m going to pick the Vette, but it’s all in the prep. Now to watch…….EDIT: Firebird for the win - wow! Great looking cars, and I’ll bet they had a ton of fun. Thank you as always - love watching these races.
I'm guessing the Firebird still has the Cat and crappy 1976 exhaust on it. It should be a low 15 second car with the right tuning.
I got out my sundial for this one.
Take either one to the grocery, your ice cream will melt before you get out of the parking lot!
This is like watching paint dry!
Don't have to worry about detonation with a 7.6-1 compression
Were they racing or just cruising with the cruise control on?
2 days later both cars crossed the finish line slightly faster that a Fiat!!
I own a 1975 firebird with a 73 front clip , a 1972 455HO ,built 4 speed and a 1990 ZR-1 corvette. The bird owns the quarter but the vetted can drive from here to Australia at 180 mph.
You can't Drive to Australia. You need a Boat, or you gotta Fly. I haven't seen too many Corvettes take to the water. And just curious what year is your Transmission for the Firebird ? 1974 ?
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It's a 1970 Muncie M-21 , there is actually a speed boat with a LT-5 , pulled by a ZR-1. Not sure if it still exists, 1990 was a while back.
And the 74 did not have the L82 on the hood; that started in 75. Unless the owner swapped the rear bumper and put the logo on the hood.
Back when cars had character...
The guy is still on his bike lol
Great looking cars. I think my big block EFI 4x4 F250 has a strong chance here...
Your 460 BBF Definitely gotta shot at Both these GM Turds.
No wonder the bad guys could always keep up with Jim Rockford in his Firebird with performance like that!
That was a little hard to watch. Both of these cars are faster than anything I've ever owned but still.
And I thought my car was slow at 90 in the quarter I'm feeling better now
Could barely break the interstste speed limit by the end of the quarter.
My dad's girlfriend had a 78 TA 6.6 auto in 1980. I thought it ran pretty decent. Never took it to the track but it would do just shy of a 100 in the quarter by it's speedo if you manual shifted it. Maybe it had been modded a little before she got it, as she bought it used and it did have Cragers and meats on the rear. I thought it was bad ass at the time. I still like the look and handling of that generation.
So that had the Olds 403 Engine Correct ?
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 Yea it was the 403
Dang...I was thinking at least 15s....
Wow!!! Both cars look like snails down the track. I think my little 4 cylinder Focus can smoke both of them LOL....
Burt Reynolds would be proud..
Damn, I had a 1960 Fiat 1200 that ran that fast.
Slow but accurate times from cars of that era. Remember 1 thing, about 6 yrs later from when these cars were built, a 15 sec quarter was nearly unheard of from a new US car! So yeah, it got worse before it got better. We're spoiled now days.
“ buzz has a girlfriend ( 76 formula and a 74 corvette)….woof”
Sounds like a coupe of vacuum cleaners racing each other...
76 was the worst year for all performance cars and the firbird for that year was at 225 hp and the corvette was at its worst at 180 to 190
No, the best engine found in a Firebird in 1976 was a 455 rated at 200hp
Lol I could peddle almost as fast .
Dem cars have the slows!
Funny thing is, my 2022 Subaru Outback Dad Wagon is capable of running 14.4 quarter mile and 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. With a 4cyl turbo, better than most base muscle engines
Fifty years of technology will do that.
I had to check my computer settings to see if the playback speed was set to "Normal" ... uh... yep.... it was.....
I'm surprised that they are still stock, 2022
Yeah, 1974 was the year that marked the end of decent performance…pitiful numbers for sure… they couldn’t get out of their own way.
Compared to what I'm used to seeing on this channel this looked more like a couple of old women out on a Sunday drive.
Pooches!! The Vette should be hitting a 15 second 1/4 time. Firebird should be doing low 16's. Both cars need a tune up or a rebuild!!
Looks like racing in slow m o t i o n.
A 350 putting out 160hp o my God what a dog
Very neighborhood friendly.
Slow motion
These cars did the quarter mile as fast as my 1977 Buick Century with a 3.8 V6 did 0-60. 🙄
That is a 1975 Corvette. The 1974 had the split rear end.
If both cars are still running the exhaust through the single very restrictive catalytic converter. I could see those times. The 74 Corvette wouldn't have it and should be closer to what my stock 74 z28 4sp L82 3.73 did there,14.85@ 91mph. Cars and Zebras posted that match up last year. Love the Chanel. Thanks C&Z for your time making these videos.
I bet you could outrun both of those cars on foot to the 60' mark.
Those weight numbers seem awfully high. They are not light cars by any mean but 4000 pounds for a 76 Formula ? No way.
These cars are stripped, and this one doesn't even have A/C or a center console. It must be around 3500 pounds, 3750 with driver.
I believe that’s a 76 Corvette.
That was painful
SL🐢🐢W!!!
Well......probably no need to do a burn-out to warm the tires.
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If my shit ran a 18sec 1/4th mile. I'd just hard right hand turn and run that pos straight in the ditch !! Leave the keys and call a F'en Uber!! I just bought my 16yr old son a 2014 Subaru Legacy Premium for his 1st car. Stock it has 185hp. Now he has added a cold air intake, the chip, and a better exhaust. With what he has done I think it has just a hair over 200hp. It's Sad to say that his little AWD ricer, would Gap both the Vett and the Firebird. 😒😒 Whoever voted for the engine platform's from 1974 to the mid to late 80s. Needs Will Smith'd !! It took a 3.8L V6 Turbo from "Buick" to wake everyone else TF up !! When the Grand National waxed Every V8 Chevy, Ford, Dodge, and the rest of the world's so called fast cars. My buddy had a 87 G.N. and I witnessed him eat IROCS, Stang GTs, Corvettes for lunch !! Like I said, if my shit was that slow.... Straight In The Ditch !!!
I agree, there wasn't much out there performance wise between the mid -70's to mid 80's, Except maybe for the '74 Formula and Trans Am with the 455SD... those cars no joke! Unfortunately they didn't make very many. The Buick GN was another beast!