@@CarsAndZebras also read the ls7 was to have aluminum heads and tri power. Several magazine writers tested the car and said it was fantastic but a 67 day strike occurred and it was cancelled.
@@CarsAndZebras I think y'all mean ZL-1, only two were made, a yellow and white one. The ZR-1 was built from 1990--1995 GM built 4695 ZR-1 Corvettes. The engines were manufactured by Mercury Marine. Yeah, I looked it up.👍
@@goneshootin61 Chill out, bud. The Corvette in this race is the regular LS5 454--390 horsepower. The 1969 ZL-1 was pushing 550-600 horsepower, the 1990-1995 ZR-1 made around 400 hp.
Two awesome cars! The first Vette I ever rode in was my cousin’s, 71 (heavily modified) 454. What a monster. He knew how to drive it, but in the hands of an amateur, it was deadly. Thanks for the great racing and more fond memories. ~ Chuck
man..that second race is the kind that gets the energy flowing. That poor guy in the vet ending at .8 mph faster had to watch his car slowly reel in the buick at about 1.2 feet per second...and then look how close the finish line is....and then back at the buick...and then at the finish line....and then at the buick being a little closer...."Come on!" he screams....and then loses.... Oh...the pain and excitement of a nice close race.
Those were absolutely beautiful cars. And the low end TQ must have been fun. I have a 04 Z06 and it runs mid 12s stock. I hope to never have to sell it.
@@wydopnthrtl - Never took mine to the drag strip. The torque was fantastic. I remember racing a guy and when I shifted into 2nd gear the car got sideways. Surprise! It wasn't unusual to spin my tires going through the gears but I must have shifted at the high torque point of the engine or hit a slick spot on the road. either way, that was a 'thrilling' experience. I choose to think it was the torque. LOL Your ZO6 sounds awesome! I wish I had kept mine. :)
@@MrIgor1955 Bacj in about 2012-2013 I wnr to the PSMCDR at Stanton Michigan. There was a fella there with something like a 69-71 BB C3. He's owned it since new. He said he went through 2 divorcees and almost lost it three times. But he still has it. I think he was about 78 yrs old at the time. I just turned 55 and am putting a cam in the Z06 this winter. Kinda hoping I can keep her out of the ditch and drive it for a good 30 more yrs.
Growing up at Detroit Dragway when Buick showed up they drop a lot of Jaws I've seen a lot of cars get put back on the trailer and go home because of Buicks especially when they came out with the turbo Grand Sport Buicks.
Wow that Buick is impressive she's running constant 13s that's fast. I'm not a Corvette guy but tha one is awesome l'd have to dich the a/c for the hp gains. As always great video.
2nd and 3rd round was tight. Thanks for these videos. Love seeing these classics of all the makes including AMC when you put them up. The fart noises make me laugh too. Great videos 👍
My dad bought a 69 GS new in 70, that thing ate chevys for breffus 247365, only stock'r i ever seen beat it back then was a 69 charger @ Tri City Dragway
My LS5 454 corvette did the exact same numbers when I first purchased it, 13.8 @101mph, later I added hooker longtube headers and improved to 13.4@106mph, proves that the stock cast iron manifolds are choking this engine to death.
2 Great cars. The Buick is pretty cool itself. I never could see omitting AC on any car that was to be used on the street. All 3 of my 440 Mopars had AC and my 383 & 340 did too. Thanks as always
I'd like to see what difference it would make time wise with some of these muscle cars with nothing changed mechanically but them change out rear tires for a good pair or modern drag radials just for kicks. Everyone I know that raced on the street back in those days have always told me traction was always the limiting factor and because of that some of the higher powered cars would loose to lesser powered cars just because they couldn't put their power down to the road. Just a thought .
100% true. The guys who "had money" would slip the clutch like a master racer to get a good launch. But man... they were dropping the trans several times a yr. to replace thier clutch. And my friend... like once a month! Us poor guys would just try to launch from slightly above idle and throttle it enough to get some traction. The guys w/small blocks could usually win a 0-60mph type of battle. Which honestly was what happened 90% of the time. We all knew w/o a doubt... the Big Block cars were not to be messed with if it was a genuine 1/4 mile-ish type of race.
Good C & Z, Hope you are well. I just found out about a week ago that there was a 454 LS5 / 390hp Chevrolet Engine Option. In typical Chevrolet it isn’t available in the Chevelle or the Monte Carlo of the same year. The LS5 in those 2 cars was rated at 360 hp, anyone knows the difference between the two LS5 ? The 390 Hp version is also available in the Full Size Impala & Caprice. Back to the race. Any chance you can find a 1971 Corvette LS6 @ 425 Hp & Aluminum Heads. That GS gave the Corvette a run for its money, in typical Buick form under rated but carrying a big stick. Great to ser you back to the best of 3. And yes you are a Gentleman. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
Fortunately, the '70 Chevelle was also available with the 450 HP LS6 454"... The 'cancelled' LS7 454 was also available over the parts counter, but actually 570 HP, not the 460 HP shown in the ad...
Car Life actually tested a 68 GS400 in 1968 (albeit a TH 3 speed): 1968 Buick Skylark GS400 400 345 3spd auto 3.91 6.1 14.40 93.30 CL This Corvette has more of everything and was 300# lighter, but gets spanked? Nah -
I've been to 10+ PSMCDR at Stanton. The high compression sounds and cam lope from these "stock" cars is absurd. They might somehow meet spec but back in the day I NEVER EVER heard one sound and perform like these do. A true blue early 70's 454 390HP Vette will run pretty close to what this one ran. I've been next to it when idling and at the starting line when it launched. IMO that car is really close to true factory spec. btw, a lot of the auto tranny cars OBVIOUSLY have a stall convertor and rear gear in them. LOL.. only 20ft off the line and they are at 4000+ rpms. Like that would have been a reality in say 1972 at a stop light. Gimme a break 🙄
Shame the 70 Vette got so neutered. They did it dirty compared to the 69. A 454 with a ZL1 block, L71 manifold, L89 heads, TH400 and 4.56 gears would've been a true rocket.
I heard a rumor that the advertised compression ratios of Buick V8s were fudged higher a little bit. If that is true then a Pure Stock allowed increase of 1.5 would actually net closer to a 1.8 bump. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Another fun one to watch. The Corvette ran about where I thought…maybe a tad sluggish as I thought a well prepped ls5 would do 13.5’s on its head. The GS has…had some work. Bully for him, but those 400 cars just never ran in the 13’s. Thx for posting
I'm pretty sure the exhaust on either car is stock, which is fine. I put a Rochester 4bl carb on my 1970 Buick Skylark 350 and I could smoke them all, mainly because I need new rings.
I've been there 10+ times and saw it and several other LS5's run. They launch ok but once into 3rd gear.... party is over. Makes me wonder if it was choked by a smaller cam, exhaust, and maybe intake. I don't know much about them.. maybe heads. The LS6's CLEARY Pull deep into 3rd and 4th gears
When he say's in today sorta makes me chuckle. I waited too long to buy a 70 SS Chevelle with a big block. It was pushing $30 k then today when I'm ready there pushing $70 k.
My 04 Z06 w/full exhaust, all season tires, and a zero prep track at 3500 DA ran a 12.6 @ 114mph. Seeing those old school numbers makes me feel like mine isn't so slow after all.
25 M-22 in 1970 no way bud!! That's the " blackbook" documentation but remember the St. Louis plant documents went " up in flames" not only did those 25 ZR-1's have M-22's but many more racing customers I had an LT-1 with an M-22 abd 4.56 rear in my cdn import 1970 vette
You Know; I Never Realized it But it Seems to Me GM Could've Had the Fastest Vette Ever if they had let the 450hp LS6 be installed. Probably would've been an Even Second Carrrr'
"content creators" and knuckle dragging car guys are pretty much opposites. "They" get joy in making videos and imagining how people will laugh at the (insane) thoughts that are inside their head. They only pay people to work on their cars. "We" get joy of slipping a clutch for a low 60ft and then spending all night changing the it so we can do it all over again. We NEVER pay some grease monkey to touch our car. Parts ordered online, shipping, and a few beers is cheaper 😉
I'm pretty sure only the ultra rare ZR1 got the m22. 25 were made.
You know what, I never thought about that. Makes perfect sense since there were 25 ZR1s that year!
@@CarsAndZebras also read the ls7 was to have aluminum heads and tri power. Several magazine writers tested the car and said it was fantastic but a 67 day strike occurred and it was cancelled.
@@CarsAndZebras I think y'all mean ZL-1, only two were made, a yellow and white one. The ZR-1 was built from 1990--1995 GM built 4695 ZR-1 Corvettes.
The engines were manufactured by Mercury Marine. Yeah, I looked it up.👍
That was the ZL1 not the ZR1 !
@@goneshootin61
Chill out, bud.
The Corvette in this race is the regular LS5 454--390 horsepower. The 1969 ZL-1 was pushing 550-600 horsepower, the 1990-1995 ZR-1 made around 400 hp.
Buick muscle is so underrated. It was a very good match. It all depended on the drivers. It doesn't get much better than that.
Bucks and Olds had a low-profile intake and high torque. HP wasn't as great as others, but that torque made them very competitive.
Much better than the 'shorts' posted lately. JMO.
Love those Buicks. Been racing them for 40 years. Currently own a '66 GS with 462" aluminum heads and all the goodies. 11 seconds flat at 124 mph
Hey Al, I just picked up a pretty roached out 66 GS. You got any spare parts/trim?
No. A '70 455 bored 0.030 over@hernandocortez6351
I owned a 67 GS I had some of the best times of my life in that car thanks to you and the drivers for such a awesome and nostalgic race.
Great matchup. Have to admit I’m a bit surprised!
Two awesome cars! The first Vette I ever rode in was my cousin’s, 71 (heavily modified) 454. What a monster. He knew how to drive it, but in the hands of an amateur, it was deadly. Thanks for the great racing and more fond memories. ~ Chuck
These videos are so much better with you narrating them, this was a sweet match up, thank you for doing them!
My brother had a 1970 Corvette with the Lt1350 & 4 speed. With few mods it was really fast. He loved that car.
Red light or not, what a wicked close match!! Dig, baby!
man..that second race is the kind that gets the energy flowing.
That poor guy in the vet ending at .8 mph faster had to watch his car slowly reel in the buick at about 1.2 feet per second...and then look how close the finish line is....and then back at the buick...and then at the finish line....and then at the buick being a little closer...."Come on!" he screams....and then loses....
Oh...the pain and excitement of a nice close race.
I had a '70 Corvette convertible with the 454 and 4 speed. Fast and fun. What a great car it was. :)
Those were absolutely beautiful cars. And the low end TQ must have been fun.
I have a 04 Z06 and it runs mid 12s stock. I hope to never have to sell it.
@@wydopnthrtl - Never took mine to the drag strip. The torque was fantastic. I remember racing a guy and when I shifted into 2nd gear the car got sideways. Surprise! It wasn't unusual to spin my tires going through the gears but I must have shifted at the high torque point of the engine or hit a slick spot on the road. either way, that was a 'thrilling' experience. I choose to think it was the torque. LOL Your ZO6 sounds awesome! I wish I had kept mine. :)
@@MrIgor1955 Bacj in about 2012-2013 I wnr to the PSMCDR at Stanton Michigan. There was a fella there with something like a 69-71 BB C3. He's owned it since new. He said he went through 2 divorcees and almost lost it three times. But he still has it. I think he was about 78 yrs old at the time.
I just turned 55 and am putting a cam in the Z06 this winter. Kinda hoping I can keep her out of the ditch and drive it for a good 30 more yrs.
Great racing and great commentary!! Thanks drivers and thank you C-Z!!
Glad to see you back to normal bro love the channel!!!!!
Glad to see you found good balance between presentation of the hardware and that humour we love you for. Keep it up !
Gotta love those front ends come up when it's time to launch Raw Power!!!
I had a 68 gs 400, nice ride for sure!
First Vette I rode in was a 71 454 .
As usual I am always impressed by the way the Buick’s run, probably the most underrated muscle cars of the era.
I am not a big Buick fan, but I was pulling for the GS. Thanks to both owners for letting us see these cars run.
Awesome , good race Thanks C&Z 😀
Growing up at Detroit Dragway when Buick showed up they drop a lot of Jaws I've seen a lot of cars get put back on the trailer and go home because of Buicks especially when they came out with the turbo Grand Sport Buicks.
That GS is super sweet. Never been a vetted fan. Gotta love them old buicks
this was a heck of a race!
Thanks for changing the intro. I typically don’t look until the track scene is gone.
I love your channel and the presentation of your content! Keep it up! And I'm cracking up for your hilarious sound effects.
Glad to see (hear) some of your signature humor returning. As the low-life my ex claimed that I am, I certainly appreciate that.
I'm shocked that Buick GS 400 is running that fast! Very underrated!
Great race! Big block torque show
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Dang, the Corvette is a beast
Wow that Buick is impressive she's running constant 13s that's fast. I'm not a Corvette guy but tha one is awesome l'd have to dich the a/c for the hp gains. As always great video.
You just turn off the A/C to prevent HP loss...
Both cars had AC.
Youd notice no real difference with the ac turned off.
2nd and 3rd round was tight. Thanks for these videos. Love seeing these classics of all the makes including AMC when you put them up. The fart noises make me laugh too. Great videos 👍
My dad bought a 69 GS new in 70, that thing ate chevys for breffus 247365, only stock'r i ever seen beat it back then was a 69 charger @ Tri City Dragway
My LS5 454 corvette did the exact same numbers when I first purchased it, 13.8 @101mph, later I added hooker longtube headers and improved to 13.4@106mph, proves that the stock cast iron manifolds are choking this engine to death.
Good info. W/O changing jets I saw about a 0.5 AF ratio change (leaner). I wonder what AF you were running in both those states?
Love that finish line replay!!!
I own one of the 25 in 1970 with the rock crusher. Thats got to be worth something.
You have no content on your channel but you've been around since 2009. Dude it's time to show us that C3!!
@@wydopnthrtl I have a C3 and a C6.
Just wanted to say that I Love this channel and visit daily!!! Thanks for vids.
My father campaigned a 400 gs 4-speed indy 70s. Thanks for the childhood flashback
That 4 speed Buick has got to be pretty rare as well!
Great cars, great races and great audio on the big end! And we have all the immature sound effects that made you popular with us all!!
Huh...did not expect to be so even. Was expecting the Buick to get spanked...not that the vette was slow, but the Buick was as fast as it was
2 Great cars. The Buick is pretty cool itself. I never could see omitting AC on any car that was to be used on the street. All 3 of my 440 Mopars had AC and my 383 & 340 did too.
Thanks as always
I didn’t think the GS400 ran quite that hard
That Buck is surprisingly fast.
A little too…surprising and fast.
I'd like to see what difference it would make time wise with some of these muscle cars with nothing changed mechanically but them change out rear tires for a good pair or modern drag radials just for kicks. Everyone I know that raced on the street back in those days have always told me traction was always the limiting factor and because of that some of the higher powered cars would loose to lesser powered cars just because they couldn't put their power down to the road. Just a thought .
100% true. The guys who "had money" would slip the clutch like a master racer to get a good launch. But man... they were dropping the trans several times a yr. to replace thier clutch. And my friend... like once a month!
Us poor guys would just try to launch from slightly above idle and throttle it enough to get some traction.
The guys w/small blocks could usually win a 0-60mph type of battle. Which honestly was what happened 90% of the time.
We all knew w/o a doubt... the Big Block cars were not to be messed with if it was a genuine 1/4 mile-ish type of race.
I used to have a 1970 ls5 454. Org.454 bored . 40 over hotter cam and 3.55 gears auto. Dyno to 550 tq 525 hp . Great car .
nobody cares
@brianfeeney3936 Nobody cares what you think.
Good C & Z,
Hope you are well.
I just found out about a week ago that there was a 454 LS5 / 390hp Chevrolet Engine Option. In typical Chevrolet it isn’t available in the Chevelle or the Monte Carlo of the same year.
The LS5 in those 2 cars was rated at 360 hp, anyone knows the difference between the two LS5 ?
The 390 Hp version is also available in the Full Size Impala & Caprice.
Back to the race.
Any chance you can find a 1971 Corvette LS6 @ 425 Hp & Aluminum Heads.
That GS gave the Corvette a run for its money, in typical Buick form under rated but carrying a big stick.
Great to ser you back to the best of 3.
And yes you are a Gentleman.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
Fortunately, the '70 Chevelle was also available with the 450 HP LS6 454"...
The 'cancelled' LS7 454 was also available over the parts counter, but actually 570 HP, not the 460 HP shown in the ad...
Was there something different about the 390hp LS5 in the Corvette, from the 360hp LS5 in the Chevelle SS?
Car Life actually tested a 68 GS400 in 1968 (albeit a TH 3 speed):
1968 Buick Skylark GS400 400 345 3spd auto 3.91 6.1 14.40 93.30 CL
This Corvette has more of everything and was 300# lighter, but gets spanked? Nah -
I've been to 10+ PSMCDR at Stanton. The high compression sounds and cam lope from these "stock" cars is absurd. They might somehow meet spec but back in the day I NEVER EVER heard one sound and perform like these do.
A true blue early 70's 454 390HP Vette will run pretty close to what this one ran. I've been next to it when idling and at the starting line when it launched. IMO that car is really close to true factory spec.
btw, a lot of the auto tranny cars OBVIOUSLY have a stall convertor and rear gear in them. LOL.. only 20ft off the line and they are at 4000+ rpms. Like that would have been a reality in say 1972 at a stop light. Gimme a break 🙄
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Shame the 70 Vette got so neutered. They did it dirty compared to the 69. A 454 with a ZL1 block, L71 manifold, L89 heads, TH400 and 4.56 gears would've been a true rocket.
Awesome these cars hustled
3:29 That was my car but not in Philly when I owned it, bought it from a guy in Cherry Hill NJ.
…..and people don’t believe me when I tell them that a well tuned GS was as fast as a big block vette ………thanks!
What's the story on the blue Mustang in the background at 0:17?
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had a 68 skylark loved that car
I wanna see a 68 roadrunner take on a race
when you look at the Corvette interior you see two indicator stalks does anyone know what the second one is
Tilt steering lever. Twisting the center cap, it also telescopes.
@@charlesdalton985 Thanks a little unusual
I heard a rumor that the advertised compression ratios of Buick V8s were fudged higher a little bit. If that is true then a Pure Stock allowed increase of 1.5 would actually net closer to a 1.8 bump. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
corvettes are intake restricted because of low hood. lots more power to be uncorked
world products came out with a low rise BB intake that solves that problem.
I do believe that the 68 - 69 400 GS motor was a tad under-rated by Buick.
Definitely under rated.... I read it was about 375 hp.
@@stevepick9527 Yes, I was thinking performance was similar to a GTO with Ram Air III (not 4), which was 366 HP.
Woooo Hooooo!!!!😆
Another fun one to watch. The Corvette ran about where I thought…maybe a tad sluggish as I thought a well prepped ls5 would do 13.5’s on its head. The GS has…had some work. Bully for him, but those 400 cars just never ran in the 13’s.
Thx for posting
I'm pretty sure the exhaust on either car is stock, which is fine. I put a Rochester 4bl carb on my 1970 Buick Skylark 350 and I could smoke them all, mainly because I need new rings.
I would have thought that would be an easy win for the corvette
I've been there 10+ times and saw it and several other LS5's run. They launch ok but once into 3rd gear.... party is over.
Makes me wonder if it was choked by a smaller cam, exhaust, and maybe intake. I don't know much about them.. maybe heads.
The LS6's CLEARY Pull deep into 3rd and 4th gears
@@wydopnthrtl They have a small cam
@@gordocarbo from the factory yes... at Stanton Michigan.... eh no.
The thing is!!! They are still around! Today!
They don't have light wieght AC units?
Back then they used the "A6" compressor. Mid 70s changed to a lighter / smaller compressor to save weight and increase MPG
Greey: Left lane advantage!
Fun fact... the 1970 Corvette A6 AC compressor w/clutch mechanism weighs 39lbs.
My 2004 Corvette AC compressor w/clutch mechanism weighs 15.0lbs.
Greetings: Grandma's Buick beats Grandson's Vette. Imagine that.
When he say's in today sorta makes me chuckle. I waited too long to buy a 70 SS Chevelle with a big block. It was pushing $30 k then today when I'm ready there pushing $70 k.
Every time I hear prices listed I get sad.
Wow, close!
I had a 72 Skylark and the throttle stuck in the middle of a Minnesota winter at 25 below and it threw a rod or something and now it's dead
It helps when the Corvette has all that fiberglass it's a lot lighter
Heavier than most would think.
So, basically, both cars are an even match.
Torque was 460 not 500.
Never underestimate those Buick's. Classy, and beautiful cars.😎 -She's a real beaut-ick.😉
1970 454 Corvette runs
1/4 m. @ 15.0 90 plus mph .
My 2006 4 dr. Mega Cab
Dodge Dually 5.8 Diesel with
Gonzila chip
325 + 130.extra H.p
ran 1/4 mile
@ 15:5 @ 91mph..
weight 7700 Lbs..
My 04 Z06 w/full exhaust, all season tires, and a zero prep track at 3500 DA ran a 12.6 @ 114mph. Seeing those old school numbers makes me feel like mine isn't so slow after all.
My Dad had a white '70 454 4spd Corvette
The vette mite be fat but what a nice car, I would daily that corvette!!!
And the red car wins! Yay!😊
nice
Both these should be running high 12,s
With sticky tires yes. But on street tires.. no
25 M-22 in 1970 no way bud!! That's the " blackbook" documentation but remember the St. Louis plant documents went " up in flames" not only did those 25 ZR-1's have M-22's but many more racing customers I had an LT-1 with an M-22 abd 4.56 rear in my cdn import 1970 vette
You Know; I Never Realized it But it Seems to Me GM Could've Had the Fastest Vette Ever if they had let the 450hp LS6 be installed. Probably would've been an Even Second Carrrr'
Don't know why anyone would have bought the 1970 when you could have got the 1969 with better engine options and lighter weight.
i luvs my underdogs.
hey Ralph , do you drink to much last night ? What kind of car do you have . Ralph ; Buuiick
Obvious the right lane stunk.
Built under the influence of captain kangaroo........buick
Lol, alright Buick!
Buick owners are always the better racers 99% of the time.
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Had enough of the shorts !
Buick all the way...every day
I give a big thumbs down for the annoying voice.
Maybe you could ask him to sing
"content creators" and knuckle dragging car guys are pretty much opposites.
"They" get joy in making videos and imagining how people will laugh at the (insane) thoughts that are inside their head. They only pay people to work on their cars.
"We" get joy of slipping a clutch for a low 60ft and then spending all night changing the it so we can do it all over again. We NEVER pay some grease monkey to touch our car. Parts ordered online, shipping, and a few beers is cheaper 😉
Runnum again
I love watching Chevys get beat by other brands .😎👍🏻
Me too, But getting Beat by Another GM, is like getting Beat by your Sister.
We are not evaluating the driver, so reaction time wins are irrelevant to the channel.
That Vette is slow!!