This. as someone that at least experiments in all jobs even if i mostly play only 3 or 4, I want one plate for every job, plus one for crafting, one for gatherering (i don't mind all my craft jobs sharing one glam and all my gatherers having one too), and at least one more for misc use like fashion report. Means at the minimum i feel like i need at least 25 and for it to increase every time a new job is added.
And the possibility to arrange the order of those plates... I like to save my gearsets in the job order given by the game and so do I want to place my glam plates that way, but if they keep adding DPS jobs with every new addon, the plates will always be misarranged. ;_;
@@jemm113 I would settle for 1 plate per combat job, plus 3 or 4, (1 craft, 1 gather, 1 fish, 1 golden saucer etc.) But hell even 2 more than we have would be something, please Yoshi P!
@@phydeaux6380 achievement items go in the armoire and are re-obtainable at the salvager. you can also reclaim holiday rewards at the salvager and buy mog station outfits multiple times. most items that go in there are easily re-obtainable, the only ones that aren't are pre-order / collector's bonuses, veteran rewards, stuff like that.
Glamour has to be one of the most complicated systems in FFXIV for a new player. When I first started I spent like 20minutes looking for the guy that sells the orange juice so I could complete the quest. Then after I learned what the Glamour dresser and the armoire was i had to watch ZeplaHQ's video and i still had no clue how to use the thing i had a better understanding but the mirrors complicated. Now, i need at least 150 glam plates
I wasted some Pure Black/White Dyes on glamour sets when I could've just dyed the item itself since I'd use it mostly black anyway but I didn't know I could do that. Good news is that now I can store these undyed pieces as sets without a heavy conscience.
As a Software developer I'd like to try to shed some light on why the glamour-system may be so "weird" as it is: It has probably to do with the fact, that FFXIV always had console support. The problem with that is, that consoles have very hard limitations in terms of memory, and hardware in general. Now, Yoshi-P said in one of the Live-Letters, i believe, that that your character essentially "wears" all of the gear of every glamour-plate, at the same time, it's just not visible. What he probably means by that is, that all of the gear that's part of any glamour-plate is loaded into memory at all times, which explains the limitation of glamour-plates if you think about memory limitations of consoles. Now why can't we have shared gear between these now glamour-sets? I don't think the limitation has to do with how data is stored on the server-side. I see no problem on that end. But it's probably because the glamour-dresser isn't like any other inventory in the game. Pretty much all inventories your character has (saddlebag, retainer, your main inventory) are essentially just different pages of the same kind of general inventory. But the glamour-dresser seams to be a very special case, because they can't even have it in a space that could be occupied by more than one player without serious problems, which is why they are only in Inn-Rooms and the grand company barracks and nowhere else. So the glamour-dresser seams to have serious limitations, because of code and probably old console-optimizations, on how you can access it in terms of an "inventory", which is probably also the reason why you need to remove gear from the dresser first, if you want to merge it into a set, instead of merging it directly in the glamour-dresser. Why don't they just make a completely new system that's more like WOW and GW2? Probably because it would be a huge undertaking in and of itself and because the current glamour-system is probably so tightly integrated into all kinds of areas of code to make it work like it currently does, that it's almost impossible to remove, without touching huge amounts of code that hasn't been touched since 2.0 over 10 years ago, which as a developer, is the very last thing you want to do ;)
your conclusion is if i understand correctly, that is so hard to change the glamour dresser code that they are not going to do so.... we will see how that works when they add 1200+ armor pieces in the next 2-3 xpacs, people are going to quit simply because there will not be enough space to save the armor appearances, and yeah lore and everything is important, but most people play to get cool appearances and if they cant save them there will be no point in playing or doing endgame whatsoever.
@@andresangel8641 All of this is more like a bunch of educated guesses than any kind of conclusion. I can't with certainty know what the problems are, without access to the code and knowledge of the architecture. I just want to give people an idea of why the devs can't just fix this and implement it like WOW or GW2. But i do agree with you, they need to solve this in the long run and i'm pretty sure they know that more than anyone. But this new glamour-set system they made is a good step in that direction. Because you essentially get up to 11 glamour-dresser slots for the price of one. As far as i can tell, the glamour-plates are likely a client limitation, which is to say, a limitation of the current implementation and of players hardware, most likely the PS4, so we probably wont get more plates until they drop PS4 support. The glamour-dresser slots, however, are most likely a backend-limitation. Each slot is probably equal to 1 database entry. So each character can have up to 800 database entries (slots). Multiply that by the amount of characters each account could have and then with the amount of accounts per DC and you know how many potential database-entries just the glamour-dresser system produces...hundreds of millions. But each glamour-set is probably also just one database-entry, but instead of pointing to an item that describes one gear-piece, it points to a special item that describes an entire gear-set, which is actually pretty smart :) If they manage to implement this set-system for every gear-set in the game, not just the lvl 1 sets, then we can have many more potential gear-pieces in the glamour-dresser, without the need for more database-entries/slots in the glamour-dresser; imagine if every gear-set in the game would only need 1 slot in the glamour-dresser. So from my point of view, it's much more likely that they will keep expanding the current glamour-system as technology progresses and support for older consoles gets dropped, then it would be for them to completely redo the glamour-system.
While all true and very fair, I'm positive that there is some young buck of an engineer who is *dying*, *dyiiiiiing* to just refactor the code. They probably even lie awake at night planning out exactly how they'd do it. XDDD I jest, but on a more serious note, to give non-software folks an idea of the amount of people needed to "update" code that's this old, you usually need to plan out this out almost *3 years* in advance and have practically the majority of your QA and software dev teams dedicated to this "update", which means your customer base basically only gets the occasional bug fix here and there in the meantime. That's not super feasible in a setup like FF14 where their whole marketing model is to make something new to sell you on a strict schedule. To my mind, it would basically require Yoshi-P to micromanage the team like he did in the days when the team transitioned from 1.0 to 2.0, which from what we've heard sounds like it took a lot out of the development team, as good as it all turned out in the end. Personally, I'm not sure it's worth it. :T
My biggest issue is the dyes. That's a lot of money/gil people would be losing out on if they're dyed with one of the more "premium" dyes. They couldn't have made it so you just get the dyes back in this specific case? Or just have the dyes carry forward. I struggle to comprehend why you can dye something and put it in the dresser normally and it stays, but not if it's in one of these new sets?
It’s likely because of HOW the sets are stored. Instead of saving the data of a specific piece of gear in the database table, you are instead saving a reference to another table (the gear sets table let’s call it) that has the information for what pieces exist for that set. Because this lookup table is likely universal for everyone, it cannot hold specific information for customization and it’s likely that the structure of the tables used for the glamour dresser doesn’t have enough space or connections to account for any customizations for specific pieces. You would need a separate table for each set stored in your parent glam dresser table that held all of the information for each piece in the set (and that’s likely where they’re having space issues in the first place; sets can just be stored in a new table elsewhere in the system that had more storage memory available whereas every glam dresser on a player is a new instance of memory being stored).
as much as im annoyed at how much money ive lost from the outfits i had saved, i would rather make these outfits and store them as one glam slot so i have more options and repurchase the dye because ive had these same items for years at this point and have already recouped the money i spent getting the dyes to begin with. its likely due to how item data is stored - which is the same reason why they cannot make outfits act as collections in the way GW2 or other MMOs do.
Most of my glamor dresser items are there because I can dye them looks like I’m not saving any space if that means I can’t customize them to the colors I want. The customization in the game is already piss poor with most items only having one dyeable slot this makes it pointless
Id say dont be rash and remove all those premiumly dyed items and just merge the sets that were not saved that way, its still going to save a bunch of slots (saving 4 slots per set), and wait for future updates to see if it gets addressed
Yeah I rather have a gear with a premium dye that I can use as many times as I want on different plates than save the space. I'm not going through the trouble of dying something jet black every time I want to use it on more than one outfit. The only other option would be to never remove your dyed gear from a plate. Last time I checked there are only 20 plates. Yeah I think plates are a more precious resource than glamour gear space at the moment. So I'm only going to combine gear that doesn't have a premium dye on them and if I ever plan on using a premium dye on any of the pieces I'm undoing it, and keeping them separate.
Same, the amount of PureWhite dye I have, I can’t loose, those are literally around 500k per dye rn on my server, it’s wild! Guess just won’t place those in sets! We truly just need a glam catalog system instead of this “set bundle feature”, just feels like a band-aid fix for a bigger problem with the glam system
@@scarletz506 Guild Wars 2 has had a better system for YEARS now - they even solved the dye problem, by having you not only permanently catalogue every piece of gear you pick up (get leather? All leather wearers on the account have access to it) - but the dyes, too! Buy a dye? You've unlocked it for use forever. And WoW had a system basically exactly LIKE this glamour system and overhauled it basically entirely - so XIV is fully capable of doing so, as well...they'd just need a dedicated team and the funds to do so, which I imagine SE isn't giving them, so they keep bandaging the hemorrhaging wound that the glamour system is.
@@christabelle__ that sounds amazing! I can see the dye being an issue for the broader community in the sense of "then we loose the dye Market board option" but man, oh man, for gear that's exactly what we need! (Maybe we can do dyes via, you've dyed this piece this color before, you can now select it in that color? But perhaps that would be too finicky for the code)
I can see exactly what they've done here. rather than increase the glamour dresser size up from 800 and thus increase the size of the DB call every time someone opens their glamour dresser; you open the glamour dresser, it opens a list of outfit "stubs"; then when you click on the outfit stub it then does a smaller 5 item request to the DB. if they were to link outfits between stubs they would need to search all 800 items/stubs and inspect their contents every time you open another stub to see if you have duplicate parts which would be even more DB intensive; defeating the base purpose of this update. they could create more complex queries to resolve it; but this was probably the easiest to implement and debug to give people more space.
I'm glad this kind of thing exists but the way it functions feels like it's a bodge like, a handful of devs made in their "spare time", and I hope they're doing okay. Also, most of these items should've been programmed for the Armoire in the first place, but the fact that there's two separate systems of storing glamour data in general is wild to me.
@@jemm113 i quit playing ffxiv only for the interface, it is unbearable you get a whole new expansion with 500+ pieces of armor and you cant save a single one because you have your dresser full of other xpac armors that consumed so much time to get you dont want to get rid off to make space for the new ones.
@@jemm113 unfortunately the relic weapons cannot be stored because they have custom stats. they'd have to take off your custom stats you worked for (which sucks for rng weapons like eureka) to store them. its unfortunately a lot of old systems they have to work with
Mood. I chucked out the Archfiend helm from one of the pvp series because it was useless as a viera. There's no way to get it again so I'm shit out of luck in being able to put all the archfiend gear as a single set. Why aren't rewards from previous pvp series available from the calamity salvager or someone in the Wolves Den? 😭
It's a decent feature to have, but it feels clunky. As you pointed out, there are multiple inconveniences, and I can’t help but wonder if SE even tested this thoroughly before releasing it. FF14 has one of the most outdated glamour systems in MMO, and it’s frustrating that we still don’t have an automatic unlock for glamours when we spiritbond gears-something GW2 implemented over ten years ago.
Honestly none of the big MMOs have a perfect system, which is a shame. - GW2 unlocks everything you pick up, but updating your look costs transmutation charges - FFXIV doesn't have auto-unlocks, and has the limits on the glamour chest/armoire - WoW auto-unlocks and transmog only costs gold, but colour variants are separate drops rather than being dyable If WoW had dyes, it'd honestly be as close to perfect as I've seen. Having to run raids on multiple difficulties to unlock slight colour variations is a pain in the ass.
It’s actually kinda funny how much more I’ve come to understand the intricacies of the glamour system after experiencing working databases! The reason we can’t apply glams while not in towns is likely to do with how glam plates are loaded. Someone else mentioned that all glam plates are simultaneously loaded into memory for the player to access, this likely means that this data is unloaded when out of towns to save on memory usage that’s needed for things like mobs. Sets themselves require stripping customizations because each set is really a database call to a central, universal table that stores all available sets! They would need to create a separate connected table to each glam dresser to store any customization data for individual pieces of a set and that would defeat the memory- and storage- saving purpose of this new system in the first place! As for set variations this is also why you need individual pieces. If you try to remove a set from the dresser but there’s only supposed to be one copy of an item shared between two sets it gets too complicated to keep track. What they could do is have redundancy flags checked and simply only remove the unique pieces of a set with variations. So if you have two sets that have 3 unique and 2 shared pieces, removing set A only gives you back the 3 unique pieces while set B is still stored. Problem is that we then run into the memory storage issue but this one could likely be rectified easier with a simple flagging or tag system. Now what we really need is to integrate retainers into the dresser system. GIVE THEM PLATES! One for each retainer! Have a new submenu on each retainer that opens up their glam plate and the dresser + armoire, and have a submenu on the dresser itself that swaps to all of your retainer plates!
Small correction, applying glamours is not restricted only to the instanced cities, it's restricted to "sanctuaries" so any place that has a large aetheryte. Some ARR examples being Black Brush Station, Bentbranch Meadows, Camp Drybone, Little Ala Mhigo, Bronze Lake, etc. Interesting idea with retainer glamour plates! Are you meaning for our WoL's use, like add a bunch of glamour plates to our retainers, and then at the glamour dresser we can access our retainer's plates to apply glamour to what we're wearing? I could see doing job-specific plates on our WoL so it's available anywhere there's an aetheryte and then having costumes, seasonal glams, maybe some job variations, etc. on our retainers. Would be even better if the retainer plates were accessible anywhere there's a retainer bell, not just in the inns and barracks where there's a glamour dresser.
@ by retainer glamour plates I mean giving each retainer their own glam plate to automatically apply to their venture gear instead of having to glam them manually. Each one can be accessed from their own retainer menu subcommand or all of them can be accessed at the glam dresser in a different plate tab.
man cant see how thats gonna benefit us much, apart from a few lvl 1 sets, like who is going to go back and farm the head, gloves and feet they are not interested in but need now from sth like the nier raids over dozens of runs, only to be able to save one slot to combine his chest and leg pieces. or from dungeons or raids etc.
This feature just need to be called "collection" and put alternative version together with the base set, and also weapon collections like all sabotender weapons
That would be a great alternative workaround if they're not going to give us more plates at all. I'm still hoping we'll see more plates, at least 2x what we have now, enough for each job + each crafter/gatherer to have their own plate, and a few left over for seasonal and other glams. But barring that, a way to store glamour plates and swap them out when needed would be nice.
So this is essentially useless to me. Why am I going to throw away many, many, many hilariously expensive jet black and pure white dyes? I'd rather use the extra slots in the dresser.
I agree!! Square Enix always finds a way to waste a player's time. They introduced house remodelling, but decided to have us remove all our furniture to actually use it. What a waste of time!!
I just wish I could do a set with the items already in my glamour dresser. Going through my entire dresser right now and trying to figure out if I have the entire set, seems extremely painful.
the next stage should be adopting a more WoW/GW2 style system with an appearance tab rather than the dresser. so you unlock the glamour appearance without being required to maintain the item. so the current max will be moot. can even keep it a dresser interface in the INNs and housing.
@@Shiirow For real, I know there's probably a coding thing with it, but this is the actual solution to all this. They could double it again and it'll still get filled up way to quickly. This is going to be especially true as more and more xpacs come out over the next few years.
They actually gave us more space in endwalker it used to be only 400 pieces were storable, as for why theres a limit long story short ff14s code is held together with elmers glue, they cant give us too many slot or itll mess the entire game up, once upon a time glamour dressers were housing items, but were removed because if two people access the same mirror it would shut every single server down. So until to can fix it or basically restart the entire game we wont see much space in the future
@@Nihonguy i know that but would the game actually break if they gave us 200 more slots? i feel like until they find a way to fix the system they could AT LEAST give us a few hundred more slots. i know that’s a bandaid fix but still.
Not being able to dye items while they're in a set makes this practically useless. I'm not going to carry every dye in the game on me at all times to reapply every time I switch up my glamour plates, especially when some of them cost as much as they do. I also don't want every piece of every set if I'm never going to use those, they're just clogging up visual space when I will never use them, but they have to be there if I want to save space. The only sets I've bothered to use this on are undyeable ones, like the Emperor's New Gear.
Would definitely like to see the ability to store incomplete sets, with a lil fraction in the bottom corner of the icon (like if you only have 3/5 of the items). And then the ability to add missing pieces to a stored set as you get them. The initial system looks pretty great for now though.
Would be nice if it recognizes tome sets as a set. Like if I could store the Scavean Fending gear as a set or something. That would also save a lot of space.
If I have something dyed jet black I'm not sure this is worth it. Having a jet black item in the dresser which i can reuse over and over instead of keeping it on a scare resource like on a plate might not be worth combining for space.
Tbh with the sets that have variations in gear there should be like 3 options: Save as Set A, Save as Set B, and then a like "master set" with all the pieces in it.
As someone who always hits 800 items, the idea that we can now combine glamour together feels like a godsend. Mind you I still need to figure out what to do specially, but at least it is a nice step in the right direction.
I like the idea. When they expand it on Dungeons sets it would be a good incentive to run old dungeons to complete these sets. The only actual issues are that it removes potentially expensive dyes and that it doesn't allow you to convert sets from the dresser and you need to remove them to your inventory first.
If the set has a secondary chest piece, then that is just 1 extra item to store (which would be the same as the set system turning it into 1 item as a whole set. No need for a 2nd instance of all other slots). At least for any sets with only 1 item with a variant it makes sense.
You may not always want to lower the quality of an item to complete the set. I think that some gear have visual differences between the normal quality and the high quality version.
I was experimenting with the whole "save two variations of an outfit" and it's even worse than just being forced to buy or craft a piece twice - when you have all the other pieces to save an outfit variant *they'll show up twice in your glam dresser*. So basically you'll save space but at the same time you'll clutter your dresser with piece duplicates :/ I love this feature to bits, it's freed up like 100 slots from my dresser already, but it definitely needs some tweaking and improvements when it comes to the variant outfits
It even gets worse then he found so far, when you end up with quest rewards with variations like the Yakaku set, you cannot get a copy, so you are forced to pick one.
That's the only thing I can say that I like better about WoW's transmog system - you find an item, you now have its look forever. Sure, you can't change colors, but there are no hoops to jump through like glamour prisms and the dresser to be able to use it in your look.
I think I really only have two problems with this system: the first is the shared pieces for sets problem which you bring up. A side effect of that problem is that, because you have to get duplicates of items, they'll show up twice in the dresser. The second is that you can't dye an item in a set, despite the fact you can see the individual pieces on each tab. Because of that, it makes using expensive dyes on those items only available on glamour plates, which are limited and don't carry over from one plate to the other-and if you ever replace that item on the plate and save, you just lost all that money.
Perhaps an "easy" fix for the outfit glamour would be to add more slots to the outfit window, when something has variations like that. So that Isle Vacationer's set would have 8 slots instead of 5 and both tops, both bottoms and both feet can be stored in the one outfit, and you just pick which variation you want when setting up a glamour plate. Players would still have to collect all the pieces, of course, but at least it wouldn't require collecting duplicate pieces. I also hope when artifact armors get added to the outfit system, that any that include a weapon will have a slot in the outfit glamour for the weapon. Not necessarily for the relic weapon though, since that's different from the artifact set. A "relic weapon" set might not be a bad idea to add too, in case you want to store the replica stages of the various relic weapons.
Dude, just the thought of finding those high quality items into normal is just insane. I really wished instead of converting them as such they go about as one that way it will consolidate as such. I can't tell if you're wearing NQ Felicitous Gear vs Rank 20 HQ of said item. Though it is a step in the right direction, the moment they start to expand it to artifact gear will be the day I am free of so much space in my retainers! Too many! Side note: I wished they broke the immersion code though, because some of those crafter gear...looking at the newly crafting gear would look good on my MCH! -cries in MCH- those damn arms in our back would make us look like Doc Ock!
I think the glamour set system is essentially deleting and then either just applying glamour when you use it or restoring items when you take it out. That's why it loses dyes, and frankly, it's a smart way to conserve server space.
I definitely appreciate this new feature but like you said, there are inconveniences that are annoying. I don't know if I will break down and get extra copies to make a glamour outfit or not. Time will tell lol It just feels silly that in order for me to try to make space in my glamour dresser, I have to buy more items for an outfit xD One thing that I would like to see is to be able to save put together outfits that I have created in glamour plates and not just outfits of the same set. I don't know how they can implement that but that would be cool. It would be nice if the dyes were saved but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it wasn't. I'd also like to see each job have their own glamour plate set. The amount that I have currently would be perfect for each job. For example, when you open up your glamour plate in your character menu and see that you have 20 plates, it would be cool that you could have 20 plates for each job or even if each job had at least 10. Another option I wouldn't mind instead of assigning glamour plates to each job is making any gear piece implemented into the glamour be worn by any class. Once the gear piece goes in, the level and job classification is removed. I wouldn't even care if this option made it so you cannot restore it by taking it out. They would just have to add a warning the player has to confirm to make sure they want to put a gear piece in.
i dont know why the variants of sets arent stored within the same outfit bundle personally. its possible, they just haven't done it. the same is done with the server set as the shoes and hat are the same but the other pieces are different.
Hopefully this is just a step toward having a much better system, one step at a time, maybe something in the future like adding a dye into a glam piece, unlock that color for it, or when you get all sets of say...a dungeon, they can also be consolidated into a single slot, the later could lead to people to revisit all the old content to complete their glam collection 100%
I took a long break from the game of more than a year. The convoluted systems like the glamour system and the ever-present lack of inventory space are a few of the things I hoped to return to with some kind of improvement in the new expansion and updates I've been absent for. Some things never change I see.
I'm running into an issue with the Thavnarian Set and the Moonfire set. I have all the pieces, but they some still show they are missing. I'm guessing because some are crafted and some came from PotD drops? Edit: Found the issue. They have to be either all HQ or all NQ. You can't make a set if they are mixed quality.
So many little band-aids on top of band-aids, but the actual solution is a glamour system overhaul. Great video though, thanks for making and sharing it!
Time to go visit that calamity salvager, I think for basically everything but store sets, I never keep full sets around, I just pick the pieces I want and then discard the rest for inventory space.
I don't know how difficult it would be to code it, but it would be nice if they allowed you simultaneously store the variant pieces along with the rest of the items in the set. And we also need a lot more glam plates.
Does anyone know if the Items from the costume coffers from the Ishgardian Restoration work with this? I cannot find a definitive answer. They are Ilvl 1 but they have a higher level requirement.
Much appreciated. The system feels clunky af but I suppose its moving in the right direction for SE standards. I really would like if they had a way to use the search bar to find out what items now have an outfit option rather than manually searching through the sea of hats n stuff.
I actually had to buy some set pieces just to be able to save them as a whole but this saved me over 100 slots! I dare say, this was the best feature for this patch!
@@RiGoRmOrTiSUK ok so we need to have this shitty system forever just because they dont know how it works i see and we even pay for it small indie company
Can you tell if an item can be stored as an outfit if it's ALREADY in the dresser? Don't those icons go away? If not, is there a list of possible outfits somewhere?
From what I know of coding every item has an ID and every set has an ID, as HQ isn't the same as based items they also have their own IDs and that's is why you can't mix the two. Now for sets with shared items they should remove things like the hat/gloves from one of the sets and in doing so removing shared items.
my problem is that i assumed you would be able to dye the items after they were made into a set but we cannot do that now. you must dye items over and over again in the glamour plate. i wish you could dye item pieces in the set once made instead of wasting gil and or cash
Yeah this a bandaid solution for how the glam dresser has limited space and we still neex lots of glam prisms for each outfit one per peice of outfit. And you cant store imcomplete sets as outfits which is really annoying.
Sincerely, we truly just need a glam catalog system instead of this “set bundle feature”, it just feels like a band-aid fix for the glamour system! Which in turn, might actually just cause more problems in the long run!
Honestly this system just adds more complications rather than QoL. While it saves up more space, it removes the already applied dye AND cannot dye any of the pieces if it is saved as an outfit set, meaning you have to dye it again if you are to use it again every time.
Yep, me too. I don't know why I'm doing that but I have practically all the Alliance Raids gear, if this feature extends to them soon it will be like getting 500 slots in my Glam Dresser instantly.😂
I was only able to clear up 30 slots because of didn’t have any of the hats for the required full set. (Viera player) I also didn’t want to lose my Jet Black and Pure White dyes either. I appreciate the attempt to work around the system. However there needs to be a little more fine tuning. They also need to make those harder to get dyes a little more easily obtained. So A for effort. C for execution.
They need to just have city rowena vendor sell the premium dyes for regular battle tomes, but that would mean they would have to stop selling them on the cash shop. 🙄
They are a disaster in terms of friendly user interface, they should learn from world of warcraft, you simply get the appearance without draining your storage to death. and you simply get a panel with all the previews of the pieces you want to glam on your char, end of the story.
I think a good updates for the glam system would be 1) any item you put in the dresser is converted to level 1 all class 2) give us check boxes on plates to apply glam pieces individually, like a reverse of the glam dispellers 3) at the very least, a set of glam Plates per role I’m fully aware these may be wishful thinking, but still, one can hope
People have been asking for the all class thing since ARR, but they refuse to do it because it would "degrade the role playing experience", despite the class locking system doing just that for jobs like Red Mage who are not known to run around in thick dresses like BLM but traditionally wear clothing that is more like ranged physical dps.
Love the feature, but now need to purchase a lot of hats that as a hroth-girl I can't wear, and hence did not store in the glamour dresser. Really wish partial storage were possible.
CBU3 has a good track record of honesty. If they say there is a technical limit, I would believe them rather than inventing conspiracy theories. In the live letters they have gone over all kinds of niche coding issues, like how glass-fronted cases overlapping could lock you out of your housing plot, so they had to add in a patch after a couple days that prevented the collision. I'm sure they are as tired of hearing people complain as the community is tired of having things to complain about. So it doesn't make sense to assume malice.
@@johnshepard8556 It isn't Square Enix that gives the explanations to the community in the live letters. Why would anyone at SE even know what the technical limits of a single product are if they aren't on that team? If CBU3 says there is a technical limit, then the likelihood is that there is a technical limit. CBU3 don't have any incentive to lie to the playerbase when they could say something honest and vague like: "We looked into that, and it's not in the cards right now." Saying that they *can't* do something is telling a lie that they will then have to undo with another lie later on. An honest man never has to remember what he said.
wow they really like making processes long. it's like having to go out of the building to go to the next room instead of just building a door from one room to the next. this and the portrait/adventurer plate things that can't just auto update.
Thank you for explaining this~ It was so confusing how they had it in the patch notes. Made it sound like you wouldnt beable to mix and match with that set anymore...glad to hear that isnt the case-pretty good qol addition~
I'm very "meh" about this. They're making the system purposely even more convoluted for a problem that could instead be addressed by simply providing more slots to store glamour. This is just going to make a proper rework of the glamour system even more difficult and unlikely to happen. The concept of sets only make sense when applying glamour, not storing them. A great QOL change instead would be that you could choose between sets of which you own at least one item and that it would then automatic apply the glam to each slot of a glam plate for every item you owned of that set. I can only imagine the mess the code has to be now that a glam item is no longer necessarily just an item but can represent an entire set. The problem you mentioned at the end of having to provide items that are being used in different sets multiple times is exactly because the system was poorly thought out.
Having to restore items already in the glamour dresser and then burn more prisms to put them back in as part of a set, was a disappointment. Still a big improvement and makes me hopeful that they are still working to make the glamour system better.
@8:39 what's even worse is that when you do get duplicate items (so you can store both isle vacationer's variants as two outfits) it puts both duplicates in the respective category (so two visors and two wrist torques)... which is so infuriating... Both this and the portrait updates are good improvements but still such FLAWED execution.
I still need more plates.
I never will
I only play two jobs and I still crave more plates
This 💯
watch them add those for a monthly sub :^)
This. as someone that at least experiments in all jobs even if i mostly play only 3 or 4, I want one plate for every job, plus one for crafting, one for gatherering (i don't mind all my craft jobs sharing one glam and all my gatherers having one too), and at least one more for misc use like fashion report. Means at the minimum i feel like i need at least 25 and for it to increase every time a new job is added.
Each job needs at least one glamour plate. ; ;
YES! One plate per job and an extra 10 aside! Or just give each job you unlock give you 10 plates a piece!
Each job needs at least three glamour plates :3
And the possibility to arrange the order of those plates... I like to save my gearsets in the job order given by the game and so do I want to place my glam plates that way, but if they keep adding DPS jobs with every new addon, the plates will always be misarranged. ;_;
@@jemm113 I would settle for 1 plate per combat job, plus 3 or 4, (1 craft, 1 gather, 1 fish, 1 golden saucer etc.) But hell even 2 more than we have would be something, please Yoshi P!
i think job specific gear should've been storable in the Armoire in the first place. cant tell why they wouldnt
Anything that is re-obtainable cannot be placed in the armoire currently
This is why only the level 45 set goes in
@phydeaux6380 I think those are re-obtainable at the calamity salvager
@@phydeaux6380 achievement items go in the armoire and are re-obtainable at the salvager. you can also reclaim holiday rewards at the salvager and buy mog station outfits multiple times. most items that go in there are easily re-obtainable, the only ones that aren't are pre-order / collector's bonuses, veteran rewards, stuff like that.
Glamour has to be one of the most complicated systems in FFXIV for a new player. When I first started I spent like 20minutes looking for the guy that sells the orange juice so I could complete the quest. Then after I learned what the Glamour dresser and the armoire was i had to watch ZeplaHQ's video and i still had no clue how to use the thing i had a better understanding but the mirrors complicated. Now, i need at least 150 glam plates
they are japanese they love to get things the most complicated way possible.
@andresangel8641 explains why the old NES games are so hard lol
I wasted some Pure Black/White Dyes on glamour sets when I could've just dyed the item itself since I'd use it mostly black anyway but I didn't know I could do that. Good news is that now I can store these undyed pieces as sets without a heavy conscience.
As a Software developer I'd like to try to shed some light on why the glamour-system may be so "weird" as it is: It has probably to do with the fact, that FFXIV always had console support. The problem with that is, that consoles have very hard limitations in terms of memory, and hardware in general.
Now, Yoshi-P said in one of the Live-Letters, i believe, that that your character essentially "wears" all of the gear of every glamour-plate, at the same time, it's just not visible. What he probably means by that is, that all of the gear that's part of any glamour-plate is loaded into memory at all times, which explains the limitation of glamour-plates if you think about memory limitations of consoles.
Now why can't we have shared gear between these now glamour-sets? I don't think the limitation has to do with how data is stored on the server-side. I see no problem on that end. But it's probably because the glamour-dresser isn't like any other inventory in the game.
Pretty much all inventories your character has (saddlebag, retainer, your main inventory) are essentially just different pages of the same kind of general inventory. But the glamour-dresser seams to be a very special case, because they can't even have it in a space that could be occupied by more than one player without serious problems, which is why they are only in Inn-Rooms and the grand company barracks and nowhere else. So the glamour-dresser seams to have serious limitations, because of code and probably old console-optimizations, on how you can access it in terms of an "inventory", which is probably also the reason why you need to remove gear from the dresser first, if you want to merge it into a set, instead of merging it directly in the glamour-dresser.
Why don't they just make a completely new system that's more like WOW and GW2? Probably because it would be a huge undertaking in and of itself and because the current glamour-system is probably so tightly integrated into all kinds of areas of code to make it work like it currently does, that it's almost impossible to remove, without touching huge amounts of code that hasn't been touched since 2.0 over 10 years ago, which as a developer, is the very last thing you want to do ;)
your conclusion is if i understand correctly, that is so hard to change the glamour dresser code that they are not going to do so.... we will see how that works when they add 1200+ armor pieces in the next 2-3 xpacs, people are going to quit simply because there will not be enough space to save the armor appearances, and yeah lore and everything is important, but most people play to get cool appearances and if they cant save them there will be no point in playing or doing endgame whatsoever.
@@andresangel8641 All of this is more like a bunch of educated guesses than any kind of conclusion. I can't with certainty know what the problems are, without access to the code and knowledge of the architecture.
I just want to give people an idea of why the devs can't just fix this and implement it like WOW or GW2. But i do agree with you, they need to solve this in the long run and i'm pretty sure they know that more than anyone.
But this new glamour-set system they made is a good step in that direction. Because you essentially get up to 11 glamour-dresser slots for the price of one.
As far as i can tell, the glamour-plates are likely a client limitation, which is to say, a limitation of the current implementation and of players hardware, most likely the PS4, so we probably wont get more plates until they drop PS4 support. The glamour-dresser slots, however, are most likely a backend-limitation. Each slot is probably equal to 1 database entry. So each character can have up to 800 database entries (slots). Multiply that by the amount of characters each account could have and then with the amount of accounts per DC and you know how many potential database-entries just the glamour-dresser system produces...hundreds of millions. But each glamour-set is probably also just one database-entry, but instead of pointing to an item that describes one gear-piece, it points to a special item that describes an entire gear-set, which is actually pretty smart :)
If they manage to implement this set-system for every gear-set in the game, not just the lvl 1 sets, then we can have many more potential gear-pieces in the glamour-dresser, without the need for more database-entries/slots in the glamour-dresser; imagine if every gear-set in the game would only need 1 slot in the glamour-dresser.
So from my point of view, it's much more likely that they will keep expanding the current glamour-system as technology progresses and support for older consoles gets dropped, then it would be for them to completely redo the glamour-system.
While all true and very fair, I'm positive that there is some young buck of an engineer who is *dying*, *dyiiiiiing* to just refactor the code. They probably even lie awake at night planning out exactly how they'd do it. XDDD
I jest, but on a more serious note, to give non-software folks an idea of the amount of people needed to "update" code that's this old, you usually need to plan out this out almost *3 years* in advance and have practically the majority of your QA and software dev teams dedicated to this "update", which means your customer base basically only gets the occasional bug fix here and there in the meantime. That's not super feasible in a setup like FF14 where their whole marketing model is to make something new to sell you on a strict schedule. To my mind, it would basically require Yoshi-P to micromanage the team like he did in the days when the team transitioned from 1.0 to 2.0, which from what we've heard sounds like it took a lot out of the development team, as good as it all turned out in the end. Personally, I'm not sure it's worth it. :T
It’s nothing to do with console 😂
This was sooo hellpful! Thank you very much! Had no idea about this feature :)
My biggest issue is the dyes. That's a lot of money/gil people would be losing out on if they're dyed with one of the more "premium" dyes. They couldn't have made it so you just get the dyes back in this specific case? Or just have the dyes carry forward. I struggle to comprehend why you can dye something and put it in the dresser normally and it stays, but not if it's in one of these new sets?
It’s likely because of HOW the sets are stored. Instead of saving the data of a specific piece of gear in the database table, you are instead saving a reference to another table (the gear sets table let’s call it) that has the information for what pieces exist for that set. Because this lookup table is likely universal for everyone, it cannot hold specific information for customization and it’s likely that the structure of the tables used for the glamour dresser doesn’t have enough space or connections to account for any customizations for specific pieces. You would need a separate table for each set stored in your parent glam dresser table that held all of the information for each piece in the set (and that’s likely where they’re having space issues in the first place; sets can just be stored in a new table elsewhere in the system that had more storage memory available whereas every glam dresser on a player is a new instance of memory being stored).
as much as im annoyed at how much money ive lost from the outfits i had saved, i would rather make these outfits and store them as one glam slot so i have more options and repurchase the dye because ive had these same items for years at this point and have already recouped the money i spent getting the dyes to begin with. its likely due to how item data is stored - which is the same reason why they cannot make outfits act as collections in the way GW2 or other MMOs do.
Most of my glamor dresser items are there because I can dye them looks like I’m not saving any space if that means I can’t customize them to the colors I want. The customization in the game is already piss poor with most items only having one dyeable slot this makes it pointless
Id say dont be rash and remove all those premiumly dyed items and just merge the sets that were not saved that way, its still going to save a bunch of slots (saving 4 slots per set), and wait for future updates to see if it gets addressed
Yeah I rather have a gear with a premium dye that I can use as many times as I want on different plates than save the space. I'm not going through the trouble of dying something jet black every time I want to use it on more than one outfit. The only other option would be to never remove your dyed gear from a plate. Last time I checked there are only 20 plates. Yeah I think plates are a more precious resource than glamour gear space at the moment. So I'm only going to combine gear that doesn't have a premium dye on them and if I ever plan on using a premium dye on any of the pieces I'm undoing it, and keeping them separate.
Losing the dyes on stuff already is tough for alot of them for me 😔
Same, the amount of PureWhite dye I have, I can’t loose, those are literally around 500k per dye rn on my server, it’s wild! Guess just won’t place those in sets!
We truly just need a glam catalog system instead of this “set bundle feature”, just feels like a band-aid fix for a bigger problem with the glam system
@@scarletz506 Guild Wars 2 has had a better system for YEARS now - they even solved the dye problem, by having you not only permanently catalogue every piece of gear you pick up (get leather? All leather wearers on the account have access to it) - but the dyes, too! Buy a dye? You've unlocked it for use forever. And WoW had a system basically exactly LIKE this glamour system and overhauled it basically entirely - so XIV is fully capable of doing so, as well...they'd just need a dedicated team and the funds to do so, which I imagine SE isn't giving them, so they keep bandaging the hemorrhaging wound that the glamour system is.
Same... I don't get why they make such restrictive systems.
@@christabelle__ that sounds amazing! I can see the dye being an issue for the broader community in the sense of "then we loose the dye Market board option" but man, oh man, for gear that's exactly what we need!
(Maybe we can do dyes via, you've dyed this piece this color before, you can now select it in that color? But perhaps that would be too finicky for the code)
@@christabelle__ They make money from those dyes so its not going to change. Sadly
I can see exactly what they've done here. rather than increase the glamour dresser size up from 800 and thus increase the size of the DB call every time someone opens their glamour dresser; you open the glamour dresser, it opens a list of outfit "stubs"; then when you click on the outfit stub it then does a smaller 5 item request to the DB. if they were to link outfits between stubs they would need to search all 800 items/stubs and inspect their contents every time you open another stub to see if you have duplicate parts which would be even more DB intensive; defeating the base purpose of this update. they could create more complex queries to resolve it; but this was probably the easiest to implement and debug to give people more space.
I feel like more stuff being allowed in the armor would help a lot of things as well
I'm glad this kind of thing exists but the way it functions feels like it's a bodge like, a handful of devs made in their "spare time", and I hope they're doing okay.
Also, most of these items should've been programmed for the Armoire in the first place, but the fact that there's two separate systems of storing glamour data in general is wild to me.
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Yeah, things like the upgraded artifact gear, THE STORY GLAMS, RELIC WEAPONS (+ replicas), and raid gear should 100% be storable in the armoire!
@@jemm113 they are japanese they love to get things the most complicated way possible.
@@jemm113 i quit playing ffxiv only for the interface, it is unbearable you get a whole new expansion with 500+ pieces of armor and you cant save a single one because you have your dresser full of other xpac armors that consumed so much time to get you dont want to get rid off to make space for the new ones.
@@jemm113 unfortunately the relic weapons cannot be stored because they have custom stats. they'd have to take off your custom stats you worked for (which sucks for rng weapons like eureka) to store them. its unfortunately a lot of old systems they have to work with
*cries in viera* got to go collect hats i cant use to save slots
That was my exact thought. I never bothered to pick up hats that wouldn't show up on my viera.
Facts 😢 I am sad. They said they'd give us hats and fix this yet nothing 😭
Hrothgal here, I'm gonna sit next to you and drink while I also cry
@natashathegrei3390 *offers hugs* May I join?
Mood.
I chucked out the Archfiend helm from one of the pvp series because it was useless as a viera. There's no way to get it again so I'm shit out of luck in being able to put all the archfiend gear as a single set.
Why aren't rewards from previous pvp series available from the calamity salvager or someone in the Wolves Den? 😭
It's a decent feature to have, but it feels clunky. As you pointed out, there are multiple inconveniences, and I can’t help but wonder if SE even tested this thoroughly before releasing it.
FF14 has one of the most outdated glamour systems in MMO, and it’s frustrating that we still don’t have an automatic unlock for glamours when we spiritbond gears-something GW2 implemented over ten years ago.
Honestly none of the big MMOs have a perfect system, which is a shame.
- GW2 unlocks everything you pick up, but updating your look costs transmutation charges
- FFXIV doesn't have auto-unlocks, and has the limits on the glamour chest/armoire
- WoW auto-unlocks and transmog only costs gold, but colour variants are separate drops rather than being dyable
If WoW had dyes, it'd honestly be as close to perfect as I've seen. Having to run raids on multiple difficulties to unlock slight colour variations is a pain in the ass.
Thank you for explaining this! I read the Patch notes and I had so many questions.
It’s actually kinda funny how much more I’ve come to understand the intricacies of the glamour system after experiencing working databases!
The reason we can’t apply glams while not in towns is likely to do with how glam plates are loaded. Someone else mentioned that all glam plates are simultaneously loaded into memory for the player to access, this likely means that this data is unloaded when out of towns to save on memory usage that’s needed for things like mobs.
Sets themselves require stripping customizations because each set is really a database call to a central, universal table that stores all available sets! They would need to create a separate connected table to each glam dresser to store any customization data for individual pieces of a set and that would defeat the memory- and storage- saving purpose of this new system in the first place! As for set variations this is also why you need individual pieces. If you try to remove a set from the dresser but there’s only supposed to be one copy of an item shared between two sets it gets too complicated to keep track. What they could do is have redundancy flags checked and simply only remove the unique pieces of a set with variations. So if you have two sets that have 3 unique and 2 shared pieces, removing set A only gives you back the 3 unique pieces while set B is still stored. Problem is that we then run into the memory storage issue but this one could likely be rectified easier with a simple flagging or tag system.
Now what we really need is to integrate retainers into the dresser system. GIVE THEM PLATES! One for each retainer! Have a new submenu on each retainer that opens up their glam plate and the dresser + armoire, and have a submenu on the dresser itself that swaps to all of your retainer plates!
Small correction, applying glamours is not restricted only to the instanced cities, it's restricted to "sanctuaries" so any place that has a large aetheryte. Some ARR examples being Black Brush Station, Bentbranch Meadows, Camp Drybone, Little Ala Mhigo, Bronze Lake, etc.
Interesting idea with retainer glamour plates! Are you meaning for our WoL's use, like add a bunch of glamour plates to our retainers, and then at the glamour dresser we can access our retainer's plates to apply glamour to what we're wearing? I could see doing job-specific plates on our WoL so it's available anywhere there's an aetheryte and then having costumes, seasonal glams, maybe some job variations, etc. on our retainers. Would be even better if the retainer plates were accessible anywhere there's a retainer bell, not just in the inns and barracks where there's a glamour dresser.
@ by retainer glamour plates I mean giving each retainer their own glam plate to automatically apply to their venture gear instead of having to glam them manually. Each one can be accessed from their own retainer menu subcommand or all of them can be accessed at the glam dresser in a different plate tab.
Thanks for the awesome video! I completed 7.1 MSQ yesterday and have been struggling with glam space and didn’t know about this!
Thank you, Meoni, for always being so on the ball with these tests and explanations.
man cant see how thats gonna benefit us much, apart from a few lvl 1 sets, like who is going to go back and farm the head, gloves and feet they are not interested in but need now from sth like the nier raids over dozens of runs, only to be able to save one slot to combine his chest and leg pieces. or from dungeons or raids etc.
Thank you for explaining this cuz I was CONFUSED
I feel if it already knows that there is a set, it should have spots for varients or you should be able to make a set even without some parts
This feature just need to be called "collection" and put alternative version together with the base set, and also weapon collections like all sabotender weapons
Hell yeah, hoping for dungeon gear to be added too, this system would add so many hours of content for "collectors" players like me
We need dresser plates where we can save multiple plates and swap ones on and off of our plates menu.
That would be a great alternative workaround if they're not going to give us more plates at all. I'm still hoping we'll see more plates, at least 2x what we have now, enough for each job + each crafter/gatherer to have their own plate, and a few left over for seasonal and other glams. But barring that, a way to store glamour plates and swap them out when needed would be nice.
@@ryanadams2671 funnily enough there's a plugin for that. Which means most people will never get an use out of it.
So this is essentially useless to me. Why am I going to throw away many, many, many hilariously expensive jet black and pure white dyes? I'd rather use the extra slots in the dresser.
I agree!! Square Enix always finds a way to waste a player's time. They introduced house remodelling, but decided to have us remove all our furniture to actually use it. What a waste of time!!
@@3mileisland516 wait WHAT - I hadn't seen THAT part yet....well now I'm going in with lowered expectations, shit.
@@christabelle__ Meoni cleared his mansion with over 400 furniture items to show us the feature!! Brave man!
I just wish I could do a set with the items already in my glamour dresser. Going through my entire dresser right now and trying to figure out if I have the entire set, seems extremely painful.
i literally just want more room. i don’t understand why the max is still 800
the next stage should be adopting a more WoW/GW2 style system with an appearance tab rather than the dresser. so you unlock the glamour appearance without being required to maintain the item. so the current max will be moot. can even keep it a dresser interface in the INNs and housing.
@@Shiirow For real, I know there's probably a coding thing with it, but this is the actual solution to all this. They could double it again and it'll still get filled up way to quickly. This is going to be especially true as more and more xpacs come out over the next few years.
They actually gave us more space in endwalker it used to be only 400 pieces were storable, as for why theres a limit long story short ff14s code is held together with elmers glue, they cant give us too many slot or itll mess the entire game up, once upon a time glamour dressers were housing items, but were removed because if two people access the same mirror it would shut every single server down. So until to can fix it or basically restart the entire game we wont see much space in the future
@@Nihonguy i know that but would the game actually break if they gave us 200 more slots? i feel like until they find a way to fix the system they could AT LEAST give us a few hundred more slots. i know that’s a bandaid fix but still.
@@dumbitc11 but there scared players will not subscribe to more retainers because you kniw greed
Thanks for the guide! 💕 I was totally confused on how to put the sets together. I didn’t realize you’d have to take out items to put them back in… 😅
Ooh thank you. I couldn’t figure that out. Did not know I had to remove it first!
Thank you for this! I have had a very difficult time explaining to this people.
Not being able to dye items while they're in a set makes this practically useless. I'm not going to carry every dye in the game on me at all times to reapply every time I switch up my glamour plates, especially when some of them cost as much as they do. I also don't want every piece of every set if I'm never going to use those, they're just clogging up visual space when I will never use them, but they have to be there if I want to save space. The only sets I've bothered to use this on are undyeable ones, like the Emperor's New Gear.
THANK GOD! I can now save my sanity and glam space at the same time!
Oh my god fuck yessss! Also need more plates. One for each job/crafter/gatherer
Would definitely like to see the ability to store incomplete sets, with a lil fraction in the bottom corner of the icon (like if you only have 3/5 of the items). And then the ability to add missing pieces to a stored set as you get them. The initial system looks pretty great for now though.
looks like I am about to free up a bit of space..to be filled with something else.
Would be nice if it recognizes tome sets as a set. Like if I could store the Scavean Fending gear as a set or something. That would also save a lot of space.
you’re brilliant!! time to glam my wardrobe
If I have something dyed jet black I'm not sure this is worth it. Having a jet black item in the dresser which i can reuse over and over instead of keeping it on a scare resource like on a plate might not be worth combining for space.
ooo, so that's how it works! This is going to be great when/if applied to Alliance Raid glams!
Tbh with the sets that have variations in gear there should be like 3 options:
Save as Set A, Save as Set B, and then a like "master set" with all the pieces in it.
As someone who always hits 800 items, the idea that we can now combine glamour together feels like a godsend. Mind you I still need to figure out what to do specially, but at least it is a nice step in the right direction.
as someone who collects DOL/DOH outfits and has them all max'ed out, I *cannot wait* for them to hit higher levels
This is mostly useless if you apply dyes to gear so you don’t lose them, so yeah, useless update for me personally.
I like the idea. When they expand it on Dungeons sets it would be a good incentive to run old dungeons to complete these sets.
The only actual issues are that it removes potentially expensive dyes and that it doesn't allow you to convert sets from the dresser and you need to remove them to your inventory first.
If the set has a secondary chest piece, then that is just 1 extra item to store (which would be the same as the set system turning it into 1 item as a whole set. No need for a 2nd instance of all other slots). At least for any sets with only 1 item with a variant it makes sense.
You may not always want to lower the quality of an item to complete the set. I think that some gear have visual differences between the normal quality and the high quality version.
I was experimenting with the whole "save two variations of an outfit" and it's even worse than just being forced to buy or craft a piece twice - when you have all the other pieces to save an outfit variant *they'll show up twice in your glam dresser*. So basically you'll save space but at the same time you'll clutter your dresser with piece duplicates :/
I love this feature to bits, it's freed up like 100 slots from my dresser already, but it definitely needs some tweaking and improvements when it comes to the variant outfits
It even gets worse then he found so far, when you end up with quest rewards with variations like the Yakaku set, you cannot get a copy, so you are forced to pick one.
I'm calling it that in 7 years we will get infinite space in our glam dresser
No in 7 years we will get 800 slots increased to 1000
That's the only thing I can say that I like better about WoW's transmog system - you find an item, you now have its look forever. Sure, you can't change colors, but there are no hoops to jump through like glamour prisms and the dresser to be able to use it in your look.
I think I really only have two problems with this system: the first is the shared pieces for sets problem which you bring up. A side effect of that problem is that, because you have to get duplicates of items, they'll show up twice in the dresser. The second is that you can't dye an item in a set, despite the fact you can see the individual pieces on each tab. Because of that, it makes using expensive dyes on those items only available on glamour plates, which are limited and don't carry over from one plate to the other-and if you ever replace that item on the plate and save, you just lost all that money.
Perhaps an "easy" fix for the outfit glamour would be to add more slots to the outfit window, when something has variations like that. So that Isle Vacationer's set would have 8 slots instead of 5 and both tops, both bottoms and both feet can be stored in the one outfit, and you just pick which variation you want when setting up a glamour plate. Players would still have to collect all the pieces, of course, but at least it wouldn't require collecting duplicate pieces.
I also hope when artifact armors get added to the outfit system, that any that include a weapon will have a slot in the outfit glamour for the weapon. Not necessarily for the relic weapon though, since that's different from the artifact set. A "relic weapon" set might not be a bad idea to add too, in case you want to store the replica stages of the various relic weapons.
Thank you for this explanation.
Dude, just the thought of finding those high quality items into normal is just insane. I really wished instead of converting them as such they go about as one that way it will consolidate as such. I can't tell if you're wearing NQ Felicitous Gear vs Rank 20 HQ of said item. Though it is a step in the right direction, the moment they start to expand it to artifact gear will be the day I am free of so much space in my retainers! Too many!
Side note: I wished they broke the immersion code though, because some of those crafter gear...looking at the newly crafting gear would look good on my MCH! -cries in MCH- those damn arms in our back would make us look like Doc Ock!
I think the glamour set system is essentially deleting and then either just applying glamour when you use it or restoring items when you take it out. That's why it loses dyes, and frankly, it's a smart way to conserve server space.
I definitely appreciate this new feature but like you said, there are inconveniences that are annoying. I don't know if I will break down and get extra copies to make a glamour outfit or not. Time will tell lol It just feels silly that in order for me to try to make space in my glamour dresser, I have to buy more items for an outfit xD
One thing that I would like to see is to be able to save put together outfits that I have created in glamour plates and not just outfits of the same set. I don't know how they can implement that but that would be cool. It would be nice if the dyes were saved but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it wasn't. I'd also like to see each job have their own glamour plate set. The amount that I have currently would be perfect for each job. For example, when you open up your glamour plate in your character menu and see that you have 20 plates, it would be cool that you could have 20 plates for each job or even if each job had at least 10. Another option I wouldn't mind instead of assigning glamour plates to each job is making any gear piece implemented into the glamour be worn by any class. Once the gear piece goes in, the level and job classification is removed. I wouldn't even care if this option made it so you cannot restore it by taking it out. They would just have to add a warning the player has to confirm to make sure they want to put a gear piece in.
you cant dye the items when theyre batched up in the glamour dresser>?
i dont know why the variants of sets arent stored within the same outfit bundle personally. its possible, they just haven't done it. the same is done with the server set as the shoes and hat are the same but the other pieces are different.
It saves soo much space I just really hate I lose the option to keep things dyed a set color
When you store an outfit you will need whatever number of glamor prisms again. If your outfit has 5 pieces, you will need to use 5 prisms.
Thanks for the quick lesson, Meoni. 😁
Hopefully this is just a step toward having a much better system, one step at a time, maybe something in the future like adding a dye into a glam piece, unlock that color for it, or when you get all sets of say...a dungeon, they can also be consolidated into a single slot, the later could lead to people to revisit all the old content to complete their glam collection 100%
I took a long break from the game of more than a year. The convoluted systems like the glamour system and the ever-present lack of inventory space are a few of the things I hoped to return to with some kind of improvement in the new expansion and updates I've been absent for. Some things never change I see.
I'm running into an issue with the Thavnarian Set and the Moonfire set. I have all the pieces, but they some still show they are missing. I'm guessing because some are crafted and some came from PotD drops?
Edit: Found the issue. They have to be either all HQ or all NQ. You can't make a set if they are mixed quality.
So many little band-aids on top of band-aids, but the actual solution is a glamour system overhaul.
Great video though, thanks for making and sharing it!
this is going to be great for dungeon and alliance raid sets! I hope they get to that soon 🤞
Time to go visit that calamity salvager, I think for basically everything but store sets, I never keep full sets around, I just pick the pieces I want and then discard the rest for inventory space.
I don't know how difficult it would be to code it, but it would be nice if they allowed you simultaneously store the variant pieces along with the rest of the items in the set. And we also need a lot more glam plates.
Does anyone know if the Items from the costume coffers from the Ishgardian Restoration work with this? I cannot find a definitive answer. They are Ilvl 1 but they have a higher level requirement.
Losing the dye on it is horrible.. I have a lot of them dyed pure white or jet black and stored already...
I wonder, can they not just store variant pieces in the same set? Is there a reason we can't store two tops in the same Outfit?
8:05 - I could see it as something they tried to do and saw the potential for duplication bugs, so held off on it.
Much appreciated. The system feels clunky af but I suppose its moving in the right direction for SE standards. I really would like if they had a way to use the search bar to find out what items now have an outfit option rather than manually searching through the sea of hats n stuff.
I actually had to buy some set pieces just to be able to save them as a whole but this saved me over 100 slots! I dare say, this was the best feature for this patch!
they need to redo the whole glamour system it's really bad and too clunky
we need a glam system like the WoW one or GW2 one
I think I remember them saying the person who coded it is no longer @ square enix and they are being cautious about pulling it to bits.
funny thing is, this is a wow glam system, its just the 1.0 version of wows transmog system, and not the current 2.0 version.
@@RiGoRmOrTiSUK ok so we need to have this shitty system forever just because they dont know how it works
i see and we even pay for it
small indie company
@@Shiirow ok we need the 2.0 version
@@Shiirow lol, yeah. Void storage was some funny stuff. Everything got so much more fun with Transmog 2.0.
Can you tell if an item can be stored as an outfit if it's ALREADY in the dresser? Don't those icons go away? If not, is there a list of possible outfits somewhere?
We need an option to filter the glam dresser to only show oufit that can be bundle only
Thank you I could not figure this out on my own lmao
From what I know of coding every item has an ID and every set has an ID, as HQ isn't the same as based items they also have their own IDs and that's is why you can't mix the two.
Now for sets with shared items they should remove things like the hat/gloves from one of the sets and in doing so removing shared items.
my problem is that i assumed you would be able to dye the items after they were made into a set but we cannot do that now. you must dye items over and over again in the glamour plate. i wish you could dye item pieces in the set once made instead of wasting gil and or cash
Yeah this a bandaid solution for how the glam dresser has limited space and we still neex lots of glam prisms for each outfit one per peice of outfit. And you cant store imcomplete sets as outfits which is really annoying.
Sincerely, we truly just need a glam catalog system instead of this “set bundle feature”, it just feels like a band-aid fix for the glamour system! Which in turn, might actually just cause more problems in the long run!
I mean it's a set away from the catalog, you can even preview outfits anywhere in the world if you have a piece of gear
Is it possible to register the glamour-ready combination from the common item, like the visor? and does it change anything?
Why would it remove the dyes? So can we no longer dye individual pieces of items to save in the glamor dresser?
Honestly this system just adds more complications rather than QoL. While it saves up more space, it removes the already applied dye AND cannot dye any of the pieces if it is saved as an outfit set, meaning you have to dye it again if you are to use it again every time.
I wanna know why the Armour doesn't hold more stuff I mean on the file side of things its a list with a yes or no do you have x Y or N
I wish we could have outfits for the sets with multiple tops, I hate the idea of having to get another to make a set
This really is a great QoL feature, I'm looking forward to them expanding it
I was never a big glamour guy, but i am big on collecting items on my MMOs, i have high hopes for this system to be expanded on the future.
Yep, me too. I don't know why I'm doing that but I have practically all the Alliance Raids gear, if this feature extends to them soon it will be like getting 500 slots in my Glam Dresser instantly.😂
Are there any requirements to apply the full set? For any reason I can’t apply them directly from the glamour dresser
I was only able to clear up 30 slots because of didn’t have any of the hats for the required full set. (Viera player) I also didn’t want to lose my Jet Black and Pure White dyes either. I appreciate the attempt to work around the system. However there needs to be a little more fine tuning. They also need to make those harder to get dyes a little more easily obtained.
So A for effort. C for execution.
They need to just have city rowena vendor sell the premium dyes for regular battle tomes, but that would mean they would have to stop selling them on the cash shop. 🙄
They are a disaster in terms of friendly user interface, they should learn from world of warcraft, you simply get the appearance without draining your storage to death. and you simply get a panel with all the previews of the pieces you want to glam on your char, end of the story.
I think a good updates for the glam system would be
1) any item you put in the dresser is converted to level 1 all class
2) give us check boxes on plates to apply glam pieces individually, like a reverse of the glam dispellers
3) at the very least, a set of glam
Plates per role
I’m fully aware these may be wishful thinking, but still, one can hope
People have been asking for the all class thing since ARR, but they refuse to do it because it would "degrade the role playing experience", despite the class locking system doing just that for jobs like Red Mage who are not known to run around in thick dresses like BLM but traditionally wear clothing that is more like ranged physical dps.
Love the feature, but now need to purchase a lot of hats that as a hroth-girl I can't wear, and hence did not store in the glamour dresser. Really wish partial storage were possible.
they'll say there is a "technical limitation" but it shouldn't be a limitation.
Its just a excuse to keep forcing players to subscribe to more retainers
CBU3 has a good track record of honesty. If they say there is a technical limit, I would believe them rather than inventing conspiracy theories. In the live letters they have gone over all kinds of niche coding issues, like how glass-fronted cases overlapping could lock you out of your housing plot, so they had to add in a patch after a couple days that prevented the collision.
I'm sure they are as tired of hearing people complain as the community is tired of having things to complain about. So it doesn't make sense to assume malice.
@@Scarabswarm not blaming CBU 3 only square enix
@@johnshepard8556 It isn't Square Enix that gives the explanations to the community in the live letters. Why would anyone at SE even know what the technical limits of a single product are if they aren't on that team? If CBU3 says there is a technical limit, then the likelihood is that there is a technical limit.
CBU3 don't have any incentive to lie to the playerbase when they could say something honest and vague like: "We looked into that, and it's not in the cards right now."
Saying that they *can't* do something is telling a lie that they will then have to undo with another lie later on.
An honest man never has to remember what he said.
Hey meoni, are you going to do a video showing off the cash shop items that are now dyable?
wow they really like making processes long. it's like having to go out of the building to go to the next room instead of just building a door from one room to the next. this and the portrait/adventurer plate things that can't just auto update.
Thank you for explaining this~
It was so confusing how they had it in the patch notes. Made it sound like you wouldnt beable to mix and match with that set anymore...glad to hear that isnt the case-pretty good qol addition~
I'm very "meh" about this. They're making the system purposely even more convoluted for a problem that could instead be addressed by simply providing more slots to store glamour.
This is just going to make a proper rework of the glamour system even more difficult and unlikely to happen. The concept of sets only make sense when applying glamour, not storing them.
A great QOL change instead would be that you could choose between sets of which you own at least one item and that it would then automatic apply the glam to each slot of a glam plate for every item you owned of that set.
I can only imagine the mess the code has to be now that a glam item is no longer necessarily just an item but can represent an entire set. The problem you mentioned at the end of having to provide items that are being used in different sets multiple times is exactly because the system was poorly thought out.
Having to restore items already in the glamour dresser and then burn more prisms to put them back in as part of a set, was a disappointment. Still a big improvement and makes me hopeful that they are still working to make the glamour system better.
i'd like to do this conversion, but it seems like it destroys your glamour prisms and you have to buy new/more prisms
Does this work with dungeon and raid gear sets as well?
Not yet. Only the lvl 1 cosmetic sets
This just reminds me that I still don't have the caster gloves and hat from WoD.
@8:39 what's even worse is that when you do get duplicate items (so you can store both isle vacationer's variants as two outfits) it puts both duplicates in the respective category (so two visors and two wrist torques)... which is so infuriating... Both this and the portrait updates are good improvements but still such FLAWED execution.