This is pretty much it in a nutshell. No silly gimmicks. No flavor-of-the-day/week/month/patch nonsense. Simple economics, and it works. Approaching my first 100,000,000 gil. Been building capital for months now, and there is no "get rich quick" scheme that doesn't come with a heavy potential downside. I dipped my hand into the resell market, and anything worth more than a few million gil will sit on the MB for weeks, even months at a time. It's much better to keep items up that have a high turnover rate. I will also point out that gathering in and of itself is very lucrative if you know what to gather. I've made tens of millions of gil just by gathering. It's a good money-making supplement to crafting, especially if your server's MB is overrun by botters who dominate all the easy-to-craft items.
I made few mill selling stuff from eureka. But in long run it isn't worth the hustle. Sell price like 2-5 million can be tempting but items are very rarely bought. Unless you selling mounts. But it's beter to put that times in to gathering
Not anymore there isn't anyway. Back before everyone and their dog had pentamelded omni-crafters the market for day 1 raid gear was insane. I remember sitting in Eulmore and making 56 million gil on day one working for like 10 hours back to back with my duo. These days you have to fight market bots and /pmb and its just not worth it as much. Before the market addon I used to manually make a shopping list, server hop my entire DC, buy low and resell high like I was running some kind of amazon business front... worked a charm.
This is actually the first time someone actually applies real economic principles to the game rather than opportunistic tips. Most videos are about items that have price surges and slowly taper off. This is so much better
Ahh so very true, im not sure if ive come across another guide that talks about this, partly I think because it lacks the glamourous get rich quick with no work aspect. But none the less this is the most steady and timeless way to go about it, in my humble opinion. Thank you so much for your kind words and thoughts.
I've seen so many trash guides out there about Gil making... This is the first and only guide I've ever seen that finally mentions the value of your own time! Good job! ♥
Agreed. I watch these mostly to compare notes but this and Spiffing Brits video on the exploitable economy are the only REAL guides. They're what I did in combination with a few other factors.
One small thing thats always worked for me, housing items sell more the day or two after a housing round has ended, and all those people have new houses they want to decorate, and fast.
For those of you not wanting to level all crafters, a good one or two to focus on is Weaver or Carpenter. Furniture sells quick, and usually in bulk (2-4 items at a time.) Weaver has the added benefit of diversifying into glam items too.
Carpenter is great for furniture and picture frames, I made near max gil off just selling picture frames that I started making because there were none on the market in HW. A good gatherer to make money also is FSH because many people don;t want to engage with fishing(aside from ocean fishing). you can make quite alot with earthbreak aethersand and moon aethersand, as fsh doesn;t have gather windows for these, keep in mind you will need to level culinarian to 30 for desynths(primarily to get rid of worthless fish and turn them into water crystals which usually sell for more than most fish). also the food crafters use for high end crafting is usually a fish(currently jhinga) so you can usually make money with that although the supply is usually pretty high but the demand is also usually pretty high and the demand continues throughout the entire raid tier if not the entire expansion(often high end crafters will "get away" with using a lesser food if they can to save some money)
I mean if you have gil you can brute force it and get all to max level in a few hours without gil it takes more but not too much like 8-10 hours at most the problem are the missions that take time and you need to do them to unlock certain skills
Culinarian as well. Gear can be worn forever but food is a consumable resource. Plus the aesthetics of food and drink encourage RP venues to buy foods specific to their menus. I’d recommend checking out menus of clubs on your home world and trying to focus on those menu items! They may have an in-house CUL, but burnout hits anyone and they may buy local for the convenience of stocking up
Great vid! I play on dynamis and market is all over the place, but ive cornered the market on a nice piece of furniture that gets me 1-2 mil daily. It fits all the requirements you mentioned so definitely works!
probably not as quick a guide for gil as this video but eureka is a potential gil maker the bunny fate in pyros runs every 10 mins (if someone isnt holding a bunny hostage) and you get minimum 10k gil for a bronze coffer, 25k for silver and 100k for gold. That might not sound like much at first but spend a few weeks doing that and it will add up quickly. Not to mention gold coffers have a chance to drop a mount that usually sells for 3-5mil on marketboard. Also, doing fates that have a chance to drop magicite items is good and in pagos, 2 fates (crab and cassie) have a chance to drop a ring/earring that sells for heaps on marketboard. I just had the blitzring drop from crab and sold it for 10mil on marketboard. Dont sleep on eureka!!
no not realy. I sold bunch of boss drops and i must say. People buy them very rarely. The fact that their use is limited to the eureka undercounts the number of potential buyers. But it probably also depends on the server. But mounts and logos are good options.
Fashion Week also has heavy competition, so getting those treasure maps and hoarding the treasure-only materials that are used in fashion crafting can sell nicely as well.
Not only is this guide a great idea for making sustainable gil. You're indirectly offering an essential service, say you need an item and there is none on the board. You've just made someone's day providing it, it could have been the last piece they needed in a glam. Great video.
Something I would suggest that's pretty easy is to check in with vendors, things like the housing vendor or various beast tribes. There are a lot of items that people just don't realize they can go up to a vendor and buy, so you can easily flip them for a profit yourself. It likely won't be as much per shot as a crafted armor piece, but it's very easy to just buy iron ore from a limsa vendor, or buy various partitions from the housing vendor.
Do this! I’m aware these items are available for cheap but I and many others are always in a time crunch to craft the items we’re selling on the MB that we will gladly buy these materials from someone at a higher cost for convenience
this dude is the only guy ive ever seen with a max gilcap besides ashe10 with all renaiters capped also, congrats man, i love this game but im on and off to much to consider grinding money, not much time with a wifey and 2 kids anyways but im hyped for the new expansion, i started to play when endwalker launched so this will be my first real expansion that i get to enjoy day one without catching up
I capped gils too! Its not just them haha. But yeah if you have a family and stuff dont bother making gil at the end of the day its not a necessary thing. Aside from buying mounts and some hairstyle they arent needed. Just play and enjoy the game man
One of the best things I can recommend for passive income is making an effort to level and gear up your retainers. In early expansions, a combat job can easily bring back new mob drops that will be necessary for the new crafted sets. When those prices go down, I'll then send them out on Quick Exploration and occasionally score a jet-black or pure white dye. The other random furniture and glamour items they bring can also make you aware of very easy things a lowbie crafter can make for dirt cheap materials.
@@Yautja834 yeah i got all 10 retainers and levelling them up slowly, i just send them on quickventures when i play a few hours since i dont need to gear them up that way till i hit 90 with them and 18hours ventures for the nigth
Well you don't know me, I have 10X more than Ashe had last year :) I think a lot of us reached gil cap many years ago. Crafting makes so much gil. Ashe has gone from that to subs now.
I've just come across this video and while i don't have crafters leveled up, the tips on how to navigate the marketboard are useful. I've just added 1 extra retainer to help me gather and will be slowly collecting materials when i eventually work on crafters.
Thanks for the vid, it was fast and easy to understand as someone with negative knowledge of business or economics :) I can't keep more than 4 retainers comfortably, but I'd really be happy earning slowly as long as I have something to use my maxed classes on 😂
Glad finally saw through this facade. This is essentially a 7 minutes video telling you to follow the supply and demand principles of a free market. Like, ... duh.
Great video! I just wanted to add that market arbitrage can be really important in FFXIV. For example on my server Aether/Adamantoise, even high volume items like raid food can go for double the crossworld market rate. (Even in this raiding lull between patches, Baked Eggplant is up 20 percent over market) This creates an interesting condition where often the mats to make a crafted item are more expensive than the crafted item. You could definitely still make a lot of money doing what is described in the video, but just be careful that you don't end up losing on mats. Also if you're server is similarly inflated, a very easy way to make money is to buy on cheap servers and sell on your server. Very low time and effort investment and you can often make criminal amounts of gil on items that are dirt cheap elsewhere.
Very true I shop around on other servers too. I could have perhaps mentioned that. Hopefully they know already or see your informative comment. Thanks for putting this up.
Wow, fantastic guide! My own simple tip for new players as an easy way to make a appreciable amount of gil (not in the hundreds of millions like the video) is to just simply desynthesize dungeon drops and sell the materials. I have a few friends who are broke all the time and I try to tell them how you can easily make several million gil a week by just playing the game and selling excess stuff like materia, or desynthing high level gear. Max level retainers on quick ventures are great for this! Another simple tip that I find pretty fun in its own way is to buy and resell items. With world-hopping, and now data center hopping being a thing, it is actually a very easy way to make a significant amount of money, albeit more time consuming. The neat part is this works even if you don't have crafters/ gatherers, because you are simply buying from another server, and reselling them on your own. Naturally it can be a little bit risky, because you are pulling straight from your own funds, but it can be pretty lucrative if you find the right demand. I am actually pretty excited to give it a try with the advice you provide in this video, as I am someone with baby understanding of economics and only been doing trial and error to make gil. Thanks for the video, super helpful!
I'm not level 90 yet so it's gonna be a while before I can do it quite as effectively as you. That said, these techniques should prove useful, thank you.
Ah thank you. I've been called a fraud etc. already for even mentioning my credentials. You sir are on the other end of the spectrum, a bit refreshing.
This is a really great vid, I'm not here as I need gil , I got to gil cap in 2014 I think and my playtimes about 2500 days, but my Fc are always asking me for ways to make gil and I share all good vids on discord to them. This is really clear and concise and all I hear lately is people making 80 Fcs to get subs that's not possible for everyone.
I can't understate this enough but mid to low level stuff used for mass crafting is INCREDIBLY good to sell, velveteen, wool, ash wood all that stuff that's easy to mass gather and you always end up needing at unexpected times,I find selling two stacks of like 30 and five or six stacks at Max will keep a good flow going
Selling items that are turn-ins for GC or Crafter quests goes well. Lots of people are just playing catch-up with crafter leveling and already got the money to spend
Fantastic. This is true MB mastery. I will take this to heart. Bravo, Sir. Outside MB I would suggest that (until Moogletomestones destroy certain mounts) DD are still unchallenged gil-making champions. I've barely spent time in PotD compared to all the 'Necromancers' out there, but I still get a Night pegasus every other run or so. Sometimes two in one run, 28mil for 5hrs is (afaik) pretty goated.
@@Manchild_Gaming Bear in mind that the whistles drop from the 151+ bags. The other bags do have decent loot in them though. Maygi's guide: docs.google.com/document/d/1oV_SIs5L9kD_NHO2ZsU4Tw8R6iQ4v1RC5fZPQqK6cD8/edit This covers PoTD, as well as HoH and EO, for both parties and solo. If you go as a party, go with people that can follow instructions. The last thing you need is someone hitting a lure trap on a high floor and bringing it back to you. If going solo, prepare all that you need in advance, as it is quite challenging on the higher floors. Good luck if you do!
I have never been more intimidated than by a man who opens a ff14 gil making guide with "I have a 2 masters, one in business admin and one in healthcare admin" ;) Great video though!
Closest I've come to a method to earn a lot of gil in no time, is Leve quests. Not really a "hidden" method, but it'll get you started with an "okay" mil or so
Are there any particular ones you find yourself repeating optimally? Levequests are always just on the back of my mind, and I forget about them only to be reminded they're a source of steady income.
Also a little tip: for the undercut bot users, i keep lowering prices for like 2 days but significantly with a good gap. Bot keep lowering as well. I buy their stock and sell again hihi :)
Nice guide you've got. Only my gathering and one of my crafting professions is maxed so I don't know how feasible this guide is for me personally. I mean, I'm never going to pay an extra $14 on top of my sub price for the max number of extra retainers. I have two extra retainers and that's about as far as I'm going to go with that. Still, I learned a few extra things that are helpful.
Thank you for the kind words and to be honest you probably have the most level headed take on the video. You just do what is comfy for you and use the information. Appreciate your feedback and I will be making more gil related content soon enough to help all types of players.
Wow I am either idiot or ur genius. I been playing since patch 2.5 and I NEVER once bother to press SORT button on marketboard. Just for that reason alone, i sub to ur channel. Thx for info!!!
I didn't know about it for a good minute. I just had an itch one day where I only wanted to see empty inventory on the MB. Appreciate the sub and kind words.
Can you make more gil with other means? Yes. Will the other means be riskier? Yes. Even if you use the other means, should you still do things like this? *Yes.* I RP as a noble and drop tens of millions into venues and the palms of people (either as surprise gifts or via crafting things on-the-fly) every week, and still horde more away, so I know what I'm talking about. These things he's teaching you will be reliable. You won't be rich overnight, but you also won't want for gil. Put 15 minutes a game session into what he's talking about and even if you don't cycle your sale price nearly as much as you should, you will slowly trickle your inventory out and do well.
If someone doesn't want to pay the $2 per additional retainer, they can spend a few hours to level up an alt to the point that they can use retainers. Items can be shared by having them all in a personal FC. I have 16 retainers at no additional cost. You can also create alts on other worlds so that you have retainers in those markets. Items (those that can be equipped) can be quickly "traded" to those characters by using a mannequin which will require having an FC plot. It's worth buying a small in the long run for the workshop. The best items to craft are the shark submarine parts. They always sell for at least twice the cost of purchasing the materials off the MB if not more. You can also setup the submarines in your own FC which will take a few months before they're ready to start making gil. A single FC will bring in roughly 14M gil from all subs combined per month. This is actually the best way to acquire gil and will require an alt account if you want to go above the account limit for how many FCs you can own on a world.
To add onto this, 7 FCs with subs can bring in about 100M gil per month. It only takes about 15 minutes per day to cycle through them and redeploy the subs.
Can't quite afford 10 retainers atm but i have 5. A decent start. This was a very easy to understand video. It seems like an obvious message but i am someone who easily gets overwhelmed when i look at all my unused mats and the market board, not knowing what to sell. Not knowing where to start. So thanks for the information! Combined with my submarines, I'll hopefully make serious bank soon.
Don't sweat retainers can run with 2 even. It'll go slower but it's just a game so no worries and if you got some subs you'll have some extra passive gil there. Thanks for your feedback hope for the best for you 👍
If you don't like buying just 10 more retainers, consider getting a second service account, with that for 11€ you have the opportunity to use them like a bank, get a few alt and bring them to lvl 25 if you do this for every alt you can get up to 160 retainers in one datacenter(2serviceaccounts x 2 per char x 40 slots per DC)
Can't you do this without a second service account? Make a solo FC, get all your alts into the FC you'll need a friend to invite them. Then just transfer items and gil through the FC? I haven't done this, but it seems doable?
@@erikberg2893 nope you can't invite or join an FC that has no players online you need someone else to do that, but thare is no need to buy if you can ask a friend together
This is a great video! I'm interested to hear though your opinions on selling high value items, like treasure map mats or rare drops and mounts, should you happen to just get them. Should you craft rare mats, and is it worth it to keep a mount up worth millions if its not selling and if so should u undercut by a large amount. Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. I would say all sources of revenue should be explored and exploited. The video is a simple compass to guide daily sales for people who dont want to deal with high compeition. To answer some of your questions I would craft the rare mats into the most popular and highest selling item it can make. Selling jus the mats for a minute of extra work is a missed opportunity. I like collecting mounts, but if you have extras, i would look at not just your server but the rest of your datacentet prices to get a good idea of what the item is really going for. Mounts typically dont go up in value, they can but generally they stay steady or slowly decline over time. I would sell rather than hold. Undercutting and price dropping can be 2 different things. Again refer to the rest of your data center, and adjust your price with a larger data set for more precise pricing information. Hope that helps
I'm too lazy to craft and manage retainers a lot, so crafting on a patch day to make a quick 50-100mil is the most time efficient technique I found. Also for passive income not related to the market board submarine can be a good choice for a passive 12mil per month
One thing i want to add is you should try to be on the lookout for items required to turn for the crafters quest lines They're usually short on supplies and people will buy them to skip crafting it themselves and depending on the level of the quest these could go from 50 to 100k a pop
@@0shawhat They're based on your level, as in the GC turn-in item for each job will always be something that's appropriate for your level in that job. If you have a level 57 Carpenter and a level 88 Miner then your Carpenter item will be like level 56-58 and your Miner item will be like 87-89. Beyond that I'm pretty sure it's random within the pool of valid items.
What do you think of cornering certain markets? Like seeing that there are 10 cheap lots of 1 unit of an item, buying them up and reselling them for a profit in 1 10 unit lot.
You can but there's no barrier to entry. Someone can just repost and undercut at any price. It's doable but I wouldn't depend on making a ton of gil that way
I wouldn't recommend a 1 gil undercut, but a steps of gil instead. Or to pricematch, because a re-list puts you back on the top as well. The only reason why I don't suggest an exact 1 is because a lot of people (me included) avoid 1-gil undercuts and the people currently doing that are growing. Sure it still works, but you also do somewhat limit yourself than if you undercut in 5-10 gil steps. Like I say, it's minor, but it can make a difference for how much people are willing to purchase something
Price match won't put you at top but right under the cheapest price in chronological order. I don't see how undercutting 5 gil is somehow more polite than 1 gil. To each their own I just don't understand the logic.
@@Manchild_Gaming Dunno honestly it just tends to sell quicker if I undercut by 5 over one and the 7 fcs I am in, the 2 I am leading and the discords I'm in all seem to share the sentiment. Not saying it's logical it's just anecdotal evidence. And pricematching has gotten me to insta-sell my things so it seems to work considering the amount of gil I have in short time 😅 none of this is a must it was just meant as a friendly suggestion
I didn't take any ill will. There are a lot of people misunderstanding the undercut and how it's displayed. But none the less your input was appreciated, and I'm glad you shared your experiences with others
Damn you, giving away my secrets like that. Also yes, I agree, there definitely are people using bots to undercut you. I've tested this a million times and it's just impossible for them to update the price so fast. Sad, but I'll take this over anti cheat and DRMs that will destroy the modding scene (even though I personally use 0 mods myself, I like the videos where they redo limit breaks and abilities with custom effects. Also bards macros)
The good thing is that people will simply fill in needed items on the market. If they follow that, they'll never ruin the market for anyone else either.
Building up a stockpile sounds useful. I usually sell materials after I craft what I want. Maybe I should keep them instead? I have a few staples I have my retainers gather materials for but maybe I should try new things. Is it worth crafting ingots instead of buying them if I get ore from retainers? I usually just buy them to save on shards and time. Combat classes are great retainers when I need a skin for leather or something else. I have 3 miners, 2 botanists and 4 combat class retainers. Should I change a miner or combat class to fisher?
Many questions here I stockpile because prices fluctuate often and maybe I don't want to server travel or maybe every server is expensive at that time. You could change one to fisher or miner it's really your preference. So far fisher is almost useless and hasn't ever been too useful so far, that can change in the future. As for the ingots it depends sometimes they get real pricey. If that's the case I make my own but I typically stockpile those too.
you don't even have to undercut by one, there is a secondary sort that puts you at the top of the list if your entry is the most recent. Just matching the cheapest price is the best way to go.
If you match you will appear below first posters by default. In a perfect world yes everyone would filter like that but they don't. Which is why I recommended to undercut. The single gil isn't a loss for anyone really anyway it's when someone cuts 30% out of spite that it's bad for everyone
While I don't go out of my way to make a whole lot of gil, if you enjoy gathering, it's very lucrative. And don't go for the super rare stuff either, because it doesn't sell often. The stuff with a really high turnover rate that is used in lots of endgame crafts is really the best imo. Personally I just send my retainers out for it. But sometimes I'll go farm some stacks if I'm in the mood.
Keep in mind to give the proper gear to gathering retainers, if you're using them to gather for you. At 4:30 it shows the retainer bringing back 20 Palm Syrup, but with appropriate gear that will be 50, so effectively 2,5x more items for each trip. It's pretty easy nowadays to give them good enough gear as well, like with the 6.4 scrip gear. Breakpoint for the max amount of items should be around 3938 perception for EW items. It's definitely worth the extra investment, especially if you're sending them away to gather a lot.
@@Manchild_Gaming It amazes me what people will pay for. Rose pink dye is like 30 gil a pot from NPC vendors. But people will buy them like 400 a pop on the market lol
One important factor, never ever take the current price of an item as its average. Always check the history because a lot of high priced low amount items have the price hiked up and it will crash back to normal price quite fast. This is especially important if you are flip selling.
True, but I always raise the price if competition is low. It will always crash back like you said, but I try to capitalize on the lack of current supply
There is ALWAYS money in housing items, it makes me a lot over time. Be it simple windows or items that need 1 special mat, it will sell. My first breakthrough item was the ureaus coat at 40k a sale. A lvl 1 dyable not restricted nice glam makes it available to everyone. With one material that was slightly harder to obtain made it easy to corner the market and easy to pull out if someone floods.
I think housing items are more complex and people steer away from crafting them. I could be wrong but i feel like they have alot of subcomponents. None the less I think you are right, housing items can be good.
The nice thing about undercutting bots is you can sometimes bait them into selling super low as long as you get the timing right, then you can grab the items yourself for almost nothing. Not worth it most of the time but very good on rare stuff.
Yessir the tanking the market part is useful for this. I wish developers would find a way to fix this. I think the only way is only to let you adjust prices once an hour or something.
Fair warning for this, some bots will only undercut to a certain threshold, then attempt to buy out anything below that to resell again at a higher price.
Made it to 200+ mil just farming the hell out of cookies during ShB and doing gathering off-marketboard for my crafter friends, especially tomestones. Biggest way I've ever made gil though? Gposes, say what you will but the social gil-making scene is just another level entirely so if you have the skills, it may be worth looking into in the down time.
Cookies are a good slow and steady or were I think there's an endwalker version but it wasn't as good cause they changed it or something. Getting old can't remember now
Would you suggest an alt char to have access to a higher variety of retainer jobs? my main has 4 Botanist and 5 Miner, but I really struggle with mob loots. Is it worth it or should I rearrange my existing retainer jobs?
Do you have any suggestions on what kinds of things would be better to sell where the game is now between major patches and keading up to the expansion?
The best thing to do is just keep selling. It might be a good idea to save materia for patch day, especially savage patch days. But be careful when it comes to new expansions. You don't wanna be sitting on a mountain of old materia if a new expansion adds new materia. Another thing that usually sells well all the time is furniture and dyes. I made a decent amount flipping stuff you can just buy from NPCs.
@@BlazingAzureTheta Sometimes even old materia sell for lots, especially gp and cp ones. I personally sold thousands of cp and gp V and VII materia for 10k+ gils in endwalker. Probably because they have a higher overmeld chance, at least V. VII is a mystery for me, why they sometimes even sell for 15k+ with the same chances as IX but triple the price. I guess they dont know, that overmelding 1 or 2 cp/gp over the cap doesnt matter.
@Manchild_Gaming As I watch again I'm considering adding a few more retainers. Can you share your breakdown for battle, fishing, botany, and mining among your retainers?
No. Do NOT use the first guide result on google, they are a gil selling site and have designed it to rip you off. Use the Teamcraft leveling guide instead. I recently did it on a fresh character and made 10 mil in the process of leveling.
you only need to spend money to level them if you don't craft/gather anything yourself. You can even sell stuff you craft or gather while you are leveling up the classes. I was selling very low level gear used for leves for 20k-40k a pop
Tbh that’s how I made my first 5 mil when I just started the game and picked up crafting and gathering. I followed Ashe10 advice in one of his old guides to gather and craft everything myself and to make doubles for job quests and gear that’s on demand. So I’ve been making my gear, my leves, my turnins, gathering mats for all of this. Certainly takes more time and need some sort of a tool like teamcraft to organise the lists, but for me it was worth it, and I do enjoy this part of the game anyway.
Paying real life money for more retainers to make more gil is like buying gil, lol. But the upside of that system is that because bots can't post "infinite items" it forces people to pick and choose what to sell. So for new players, there's almost always gaps in the market that need filling. Sometimes single patch day events can be good. I made about 300 million in the first week of the patch that introduced the Shirogane housing ward. New housing wards equal = furniture sales go up up up! I also had paid for 8 retainers during that month, and basically spend that first week at the market board updating prices, adding more items, and just watching things fly off the shelves. Meanwhile my friends were raiding and doing the MSQ, lol. But if you enjoy crafting -- you'll always come ahead. Which leads me to my final point about undercutting at a loss. People who craft for fun can always undercut at a loss, because they're not trying to min/max profit. They inherently enjoy the process, so if they make 3 billion last expansion, and come into the new one just making shit and dicking around. They can have really interesting affects on the market. Furthermore, yes, time in the market is everything. For the new people coming in and wondering how older players have gobs of gil? Remember, some people have been playing this game religiously for almost 10 years. Can you imagine how much gil someone who's played for 10 years would have? AND, it gets a lot easier to save money over time. A new player looks at the game and sees "100 pets, 1,000 outfits, hair unlocks, dyes, STUFF STUFF STUFF!" So to catch up, and buy all the cool glamours and fashion shit they want will cost a small fortune up front. But once you've more established and have what you want. IT's liks all of your profit goes straight into savings. When there's nothing left to buy, it all adds up! And when there's nothing left to buy -- undercutting is a fun way to burn money to piss off salty people who private message you and call you names, lol You gonna be rude to me for no reason? I hope you enjoy me crashing your market for 6 months for fun. They'll run out of money long, long before an ancient gil baron would.
I've been making bank farming night club glam contests. Since ive started doing it ive made away least 60 mil or so from it. Learned to do macro transforms and stuff to stand out, and it's more fun then slaving on mb. I dont really craft or gather have 2 retainers sitting at 65 mil atm. The method in this video will work, but posting more real money for retainers sucked so I accepted being less rich
Oh for sure, if peeps could establish a baseline gil that wasn't "teehee I see you listed this for 200,000 so I'ma list for 199,999". Like, yes I get it, just like in real life people want the thing for cheaper and the provider wants money.. but IRL product undercuts screws folks over IRL too 😭 Obviously this is just more of an inconvenience compared to other things in the game that could actually be changed!! I absolutely concede it's dumb/nitpicky, but I can imagine it's what drives some listers to go, "Undercut by a gil 3 days in a row by the same two people? Aite goodbye market, I'm tanking this" 🤣
Ill share my old ways as I no longer use them. The firmament is stupidly good for early gil and leveling. You can level gatherers and directly sell some of those items for straight gains and getting some scrips at the same time. Some diadem materials sell for 200-400 a piece at least on sargatanas. Not only that, if you dont want to sell the materials and havent finished the crafters grind, you can use the materials to level your crafters and use those crafts to get even more scrips and xp. The lower level crafts are incredibly cheap and way too profitable in xp and scrip exchange. You can then trade the scrips for sellable items like the parasol, which sells for around 400k and is super popular. Even nowadays when the prices are good i dedicate an hour to farm a certain resource and get around 200k with just around an hour of click simulator. It might be a hassle for people who are already omnicrafters and gatherers but its the best reccomendation i can give to crafting/gathering starters as it also saves a lot of time and brings profit along the way.
man im trying so hard to level up all my gathering first to then be able to max out my crafters more comfortably but i have miner and botanist stuck at lv70 and i got no idea what to do now to keep up! fishing has the ocean trips but idk abt those two when leves aren't that much exp at a time. pain
Haha I'm usually hiding at my house but I do go to town to run errands but if you ever see me make sure to say hi. If I'm not afk I'll usually always reply
it only tanks the market if you undercut them back. i can sell for w.e price i want since i dont buy anything. if they want to lose money to undercut thats their problem. you can also just buy it and sell it higher if you think its too cheap.
also mods like public market board save you so much time looking for lower prices :3 if ur into mods that is. its doable with out it just takes more time to check servers for cheap prices
@@Manchild_Gaming it updates on demand. so everytime you search for an item or hover over the item with the window open it pulls the current data. Id say its around 99% accurate there are some times where some one buys an item you were looking for when you get to mb. but for the majority of the time its accurate and also shows sale history which is good for market research
That's a lot of work. Just pop level 80 Zonures and solo the overworld stuff with Blue. The glam materials sell for a lot and you can make millions in a few hours. Alternatively, you can farm easy trials for materials. Tsukuyomi material sells for 400k and can be killed by two people. A shell FC owner can make passive 500k/day on average just from collecting voyage results. There are a lot more other ways of making huge amounts of gil without checking the market very often. TBH Gil does not have a lot of use in the game so it's better to make it passively and just buy whatever you need whenever you need it.
You are right there are many ways. This is just the most stable way other than subs that I enjoyed using. I used to farm trials but they often are flooded as well. Housing is more available so subs are more viable these days.
This is great for downtime for crafting, but honestly you should avoid downtime crafting as much as possible unless you just need quick gil. If you put a fraction of that same effort into patch day prepping when new master recipes, savage, and ultimate content releases, the payout is exponentially better. It's a difference of spending 10,000 hours to make a billion gil, vs spending 100 hours to make a couple hundred million gil.
I've done both. I think it comes down to how much people can put in within a small amount of time The guide is to make gil whenever you please consistently. Some people are still a fraction of the way through thr msq... But for speed demons for sure patch prep etc is a big pay day
1) find a small fc with a house 2) ask if they have subs 3) if no offer to join 4) ask to have access to the subs 5) spend about 2 months leveling and crafting subs 6) make about 1 mil gil profit/week from salvage.
@druidimos In this order: Unidentified Derelict Wreckage of Discovery I Concealed Bay The Wreckage of the Headway Should be able to get a couple of those early on and move toward the others as you rank up and upgrade Range and Surveillance
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. No silly gimmicks. No flavor-of-the-day/week/month/patch nonsense. Simple economics, and it works. Approaching my first 100,000,000 gil. Been building capital for months now, and there is no "get rich quick" scheme that doesn't come with a heavy potential downside. I dipped my hand into the resell market, and anything worth more than a few million gil will sit on the MB for weeks, even months at a time. It's much better to keep items up that have a high turnover rate. I will also point out that gathering in and of itself is very lucrative if you know what to gather. I've made tens of millions of gil just by gathering. It's a good money-making supplement to crafting, especially if your server's MB is overrun by botters who dominate all the easy-to-craft items.
You speak many truths. Most people think there is some magical way of achieving things without any drawbacks.
I made few mill selling stuff from eureka. But in long run it isn't worth the hustle. Sell price like 2-5 million can be tempting but items are very rarely bought. Unless you selling mounts. But it's beter to put that times in to gathering
Not anymore there isn't anyway. Back before everyone and their dog had pentamelded omni-crafters the market for day 1 raid gear was insane. I remember sitting in Eulmore and making 56 million gil on day one working for like 10 hours back to back with my duo. These days you have to fight market bots and /pmb and its just not worth it as much. Before the market addon I used to manually make a shopping list, server hop my entire DC, buy low and resell high like I was running some kind of amazon business front... worked a charm.
Materia resell between raid patches can be big bucks but requires a big investment before hand.
This is actually the first time someone actually applies real economic principles to the game rather than opportunistic tips. Most videos are about items that have price surges and slowly taper off. This is so much better
Ahh so very true, im not sure if ive come across another guide that talks about this, partly I think because it lacks the glamourous get rich quick with no work aspect. But none the less this is the most steady and timeless way to go about it, in my humble opinion. Thank you so much for your kind words and thoughts.
Been playing since ARR and I never once bothered clicking on that upper right button. Good stuff man!!
I felt dumb and enlightened when I started using that button.
I've seen so many trash guides out there about Gil making... This is the first and only guide I've ever seen that finally mentions the value of your own time! Good job! ♥
Wow, thanks!
Agreed. I watch these mostly to compare notes but this and Spiffing Brits video on the exploitable economy are the only REAL guides. They're what I did in combination with a few other factors.
One small thing thats always worked for me, housing items sell more the day or two after a housing round has ended, and all those people have new houses they want to decorate, and fast.
another trillionaire roegadyn bro. i think, im starting to see a pattern here. thanks for the video mate, really well done
Roe for life, cant go back now. Appreciate the kind words.
Very helpful guide, i have hoarded mats and wasn't sure how to figure out what to craft, now I do. Thank you
Glad it was helpful and best of luck out there.
For those of you not wanting to level all crafters, a good one or two to focus on is Weaver or Carpenter. Furniture sells quick, and usually in bulk (2-4 items at a time.) Weaver has the added benefit of diversifying into glam items too.
Yep nice alternative here.
Carpenter is great for furniture and picture frames, I made near max gil off just selling picture frames that I started making because there were none on the market in HW. A good gatherer to make money also is FSH because many people don;t want to engage with fishing(aside from ocean fishing). you can make quite alot with earthbreak aethersand and moon aethersand, as fsh doesn;t have gather windows for these, keep in mind you will need to level culinarian to 30 for desynths(primarily to get rid of worthless fish and turn them into water crystals which usually sell for more than most fish). also the food crafters use for high end crafting is usually a fish(currently jhinga) so you can usually make money with that although the supply is usually pretty high but the demand is also usually pretty high and the demand continues throughout the entire raid tier if not the entire expansion(often high end crafters will "get away" with using a lesser food if they can to save some money)
I mean if you have gil you can brute force it and get all to max level in a few hours without gil it takes more but not too much like 8-10 hours at most the problem are the missions that take time and you need to do them to unlock certain skills
@@Sm0ke821 right, but for lower level or broke people can start with a weaver
Culinarian as well. Gear can be worn forever but food is a consumable resource. Plus the aesthetics of food and drink encourage RP venues to buy foods specific to their menus. I’d recommend checking out menus of clubs on your home world and trying to focus on those menu items! They may have an in-house CUL, but burnout hits anyone and they may buy local for the convenience of stocking up
Great vid! I play on dynamis and market is all over the place, but ive cornered the market on a nice piece of furniture that gets me 1-2 mil daily. It fits all the requirements you mentioned so definitely works!
probably not as quick a guide for gil as this video but eureka is a potential gil maker
the bunny fate in pyros runs every 10 mins (if someone isnt holding a bunny hostage) and you get minimum 10k gil for a bronze coffer, 25k for silver and 100k for gold. That might not sound like much at first but spend a few weeks doing that and it will add up quickly. Not to mention gold coffers have a chance to drop a mount that usually sells for 3-5mil on marketboard. Also, doing fates that have a chance to drop magicite items is good and in pagos, 2 fates (crab and cassie) have a chance to drop a ring/earring that sells for heaps on marketboard. I just had the blitzring drop from crab and sold it for 10mil on marketboard. Dont sleep on eureka!!
I really want to try Eureka sometime. Never stepped foot in there.
Eureka is awesome for making Gil, aswell as making friends along the way. 😇
no not realy. I sold bunch of boss drops and i must say. People buy them very rarely. The fact that their use is limited to the eureka undercounts the number of potential buyers. But it probably also depends on the server.
But mounts and logos are good options.
Thank you so much for your insight on checking supply first instead of other criteria!
Glad it was helpful!
Fashion Week also has heavy competition, so getting those treasure maps and hoarding the treasure-only materials that are used in fashion crafting can sell nicely as well.
Not only is this guide a great idea for making sustainable gil. You're indirectly offering an essential service, say you need an item and there is none on the board. You've just made someone's day providing it, it could have been the last piece they needed in a glam. Great video.
Thanks for the kind words. Also a great perspective on providing for the market.
Something I would suggest that's pretty easy is to check in with vendors, things like the housing vendor or various beast tribes. There are a lot of items that people just don't realize they can go up to a vendor and buy, so you can easily flip them for a profit yourself. It likely won't be as much per shot as a crafted armor piece, but it's very easy to just buy iron ore from a limsa vendor, or buy various partitions from the housing vendor.
Do this! I’m aware these items are available for cheap but I and many others are always in a time crunch to craft the items we’re selling on the MB that we will gladly buy these materials from someone at a higher cost for convenience
this dude is the only guy ive ever seen with a max gilcap besides ashe10 with all renaiters capped also, congrats man, i love this game but im on and off to much to consider grinding money, not much time with a wifey and 2 kids anyways but im hyped for the new expansion, i started to play when endwalker launched so this will be my first real expansion that i get to enjoy day one without catching up
Thank you. It's always nice when u do it as it comes out. And I feel ya with the kids and family stuff but totally worth.
I capped gils too! Its not just them haha. But yeah if you have a family and stuff dont bother making gil at the end of the day its not a necessary thing. Aside from buying mounts and some hairstyle they arent needed. Just play and enjoy the game man
One of the best things I can recommend for passive income is making an effort to level and gear up your retainers. In early expansions, a combat job can easily bring back new mob drops that will be necessary for the new crafted sets. When those prices go down, I'll then send them out on Quick Exploration and occasionally score a jet-black or pure white dye. The other random furniture and glamour items they bring can also make you aware of very easy things a lowbie crafter can make for dirt cheap materials.
@@Yautja834 yeah i got all 10 retainers and levelling them up slowly, i just send them
on quickventures when i play a few hours since i dont need to gear them up that way till i hit 90 with them and 18hours ventures for the nigth
Well you don't know me, I have 10X more than Ashe had last year :) I think a lot of us reached gil cap many years ago. Crafting makes so much gil. Ashe has gone from that to subs now.
I've just come across this video and while i don't have crafters leveled up, the tips on how to navigate the marketboard are useful. I've just added 1 extra retainer to help me gather and will be slowly collecting materials when i eventually work on crafters.
Thanks for the vid, it was fast and easy to understand as someone with negative knowledge of business or economics :) I can't keep more than 4 retainers comfortably, but I'd really be happy earning slowly as long as I have something to use my maxed classes on 😂
Don't feel pressured to get any more retainers. Big money irl first big money in Eorzea will follow.
Okay, so put stuff for sale. Got it.
Nailed it buddy
Glad finally saw through this facade. This is essentially a 7 minutes video telling you to follow the supply and demand principles of a free market.
Like, ... duh.
this is so obvious advice but yet here I am, I appreciate it
Glad it was of some value.
Never thought to use the marketboard that way, thanks!
Happy to help!
Great video! I just wanted to add that market arbitrage can be really important in FFXIV. For example on my server Aether/Adamantoise, even high volume items like raid food can go for double the crossworld market rate. (Even in this raiding lull between patches, Baked Eggplant is up 20 percent over market) This creates an interesting condition where often the mats to make a crafted item are more expensive than the crafted item. You could definitely still make a lot of money doing what is described in the video, but just be careful that you don't end up losing on mats. Also if you're server is similarly inflated, a very easy way to make money is to buy on cheap servers and sell on your server. Very low time and effort investment and you can often make criminal amounts of gil on items that are dirt cheap elsewhere.
Very true I shop around on other servers too. I could have perhaps mentioned that. Hopefully they know already or see your informative comment. Thanks for putting this up.
as a new player, would really appreciate on the DoH and DoL guides
Added to schedule, will be a minute but ill get one out there.
@@Manchild_Gaming Tnx man! didn't expect to be fast keep up the great work!
Wow, fantastic guide! My own simple tip for new players as an easy way to make a appreciable amount of gil (not in the hundreds of millions like the video) is to just simply desynthesize dungeon drops and sell the materials. I have a few friends who are broke all the time and I try to tell them how you can easily make several million gil a week by just playing the game and selling excess stuff like materia, or desynthing high level gear. Max level retainers on quick ventures are great for this!
Another simple tip that I find pretty fun in its own way is to buy and resell items. With world-hopping, and now data center hopping being a thing, it is actually a very easy way to make a significant amount of money, albeit more time consuming. The neat part is this works even if you don't have crafters/ gatherers, because you are simply buying from another server, and reselling them on your own. Naturally it can be a little bit risky, because you are pulling straight from your own funds, but it can be pretty lucrative if you find the right demand.
I am actually pretty excited to give it a try with the advice you provide in this video, as I am someone with baby understanding of economics and only been doing trial and error to make gil. Thanks for the video, super helpful!
Thanks a bunch for the kind words. And thank you for sharing your tip with everyone else as well.
I'm not level 90 yet so it's gonna be a while before I can do it quite as effectively as you. That said, these techniques should prove useful, thank you.
All in good time. Don't rush. Burn out is what's stops most people
I can tell whether ones is a well educated or not from ones' tone of speaking. You have my respect sir.
Ah thank you. I've been called a fraud etc. already for even mentioning my credentials. You sir are on the other end of the spectrum, a bit refreshing.
Came back after a year's hiatus and broker than a joke, so this is gonna help me a ton. +! sub, thank you for explaining stuff easily and cleanly!
Glad you found it useful. Thanks for your feedback, makes my day 😊
This is a really great vid, I'm not here as I need gil , I got to gil cap in 2014 I think and my playtimes about 2500 days, but my Fc are always asking me for ways to make gil and I share all good vids on discord to them. This is really clear and concise and all I hear lately is people making 80 Fcs to get subs that's not possible for everyone.
Appreciate it. And yeah, there are definitely other ways. This is just what worked for me, and hopefully others as well.
Oh, yeah I really didn’t bother checking quantity on the market board.
Genius.
Lol someone else said the same thing. I felt dumb myself for not finding it earlier when started out.
I can't understate this enough but mid to low level stuff used for mass crafting is INCREDIBLY good to sell, velveteen, wool, ash wood all that stuff that's easy to mass gather and you always end up needing at unexpected times,I find selling two stacks of like 30 and five or six stacks at Max will keep a good flow going
To keep to the essential...This helped me. Thanks ❤
You're welcome 😊
Selling items that are turn-ins for GC or Crafter quests goes well. Lots of people are just playing catch-up with crafter leveling and already got the money to spend
True gc turn ins are alot of the sales happening
Fantastic. This is true MB mastery. I will take this to heart. Bravo, Sir.
Outside MB I would suggest that (until Moogletomestones destroy certain mounts) DD are still unchallenged gil-making champions. I've barely spent time in PotD compared to all the 'Necromancers' out there, but I still get a Night pegasus every other run or so. Sometimes two in one run, 28mil for 5hrs is (afaik) pretty goated.
Little gamble there but man thats a good pay off. I may wander back into there again one of these days. Thanks for the kind words and the suggestion
@@Manchild_Gaming Bear in mind that the whistles drop from the 151+ bags. The other bags do have decent loot in them though.
Maygi's guide: docs.google.com/document/d/1oV_SIs5L9kD_NHO2ZsU4Tw8R6iQ4v1RC5fZPQqK6cD8/edit
This covers PoTD, as well as HoH and EO, for both parties and solo. If you go as a party, go with people that can follow instructions. The last thing you need is someone hitting a lure trap on a high floor and bringing it back to you. If going solo, prepare all that you need in advance, as it is quite challenging on the higher floors.
Good luck if you do!
just clicked on this since I thought manchild gaming was funny name. Really glad I did though, great advice!
Watching this because of the 7.5 mil mount ;n;
Oooo saw that. Need to get further into msq before I can buy
I have never been more intimidated than by a man who opens a ff14 gil making guide with "I have a 2 masters, one in business admin and one in healthcare admin" ;)
Great video though!
Lol I'm glad you found the humor in it. Thank you😀
Closest I've come to a method to earn a lot of gil in no time, is Leve quests.
Not really a "hidden" method, but it'll get you started with an "okay" mil or so
Are there any particular ones you find yourself repeating optimally? Levequests are always just on the back of my mind, and I forget about them only to be reminded they're a source of steady income.
@@Hastos88 Practical Command, level 86 ALC in Sharlayan
Also a little tip: for the undercut bot users, i keep lowering prices for like 2 days but significantly with a good gap. Bot keep lowering as well. I buy their stock and sell again hihi :)
Nice guide you've got. Only my gathering and one of my crafting professions is maxed so I don't know how feasible this guide is for me personally. I mean, I'm never going to pay an extra $14 on top of my sub price for the max number of extra retainers. I have two extra retainers and that's about as far as I'm going to go with that. Still, I learned a few extra things that are helpful.
Thank you for the kind words and to be honest you probably have the most level headed take on the video. You just do what is comfy for you and use the information. Appreciate your feedback and I will be making more gil related content soon enough to help all types of players.
Wow I am either idiot or ur genius. I been playing since patch 2.5 and I NEVER once bother to press SORT button on marketboard. Just for that reason alone, i sub to ur channel. Thx for info!!!
I didn't know about it for a good minute. I just had an itch one day where I only wanted to see empty inventory on the MB. Appreciate the sub and kind words.
This is wonderful and to the point, thank you!! :D
Appreciate the feedback and kind words. 😃
Can you make more gil with other means? Yes.
Will the other means be riskier? Yes.
Even if you use the other means, should you still do things like this? *Yes.*
I RP as a noble and drop tens of millions into venues and the palms of people (either as surprise gifts or via crafting things on-the-fly) every week, and still horde more away, so I know what I'm talking about. These things he's teaching you will be reliable. You won't be rich overnight, but you also won't want for gil. Put 15 minutes a game session into what he's talking about and even if you don't cycle your sale price nearly as much as you should, you will slowly trickle your inventory out and do well.
If someone doesn't want to pay the $2 per additional retainer, they can spend a few hours to level up an alt to the point that they can use retainers. Items can be shared by having them all in a personal FC. I have 16 retainers at no additional cost. You can also create alts on other worlds so that you have retainers in those markets. Items (those that can be equipped) can be quickly "traded" to those characters by using a mannequin which will require having an FC plot. It's worth buying a small in the long run for the workshop.
The best items to craft are the shark submarine parts. They always sell for at least twice the cost of purchasing the materials off the MB if not more. You can also setup the submarines in your own FC which will take a few months before they're ready to start making gil. A single FC will bring in roughly 14M gil from all subs combined per month. This is actually the best way to acquire gil and will require an alt account if you want to go above the account limit for how many FCs you can own on a world.
To add onto this, 7 FCs with subs can bring in about 100M gil per month. It only takes about 15 minutes per day to cycle through them and redeploy the subs.
Good stuff
Can't quite afford 10 retainers atm but i have 5. A decent start.
This was a very easy to understand video. It seems like an obvious message but i am someone who easily gets overwhelmed when i look at all my unused mats and the market board, not knowing what to sell. Not knowing where to start.
So thanks for the information! Combined with my submarines, I'll hopefully make serious bank soon.
Don't sweat retainers can run with 2 even. It'll go slower but it's just a game so no worries and if you got some subs you'll have some extra passive gil there. Thanks for your feedback hope for the best for you 👍
Yes, please create a crafting guide!!!!
I may be adding one to schedule soon
Well, happy to know that what I already do is exactly what I should be doing! lol
would love a guide on maxing out crafting / gathering!
Getting enough requests I'll add it to calendar. Might be a second though have a few other videos lined up.
If you don't like buying just 10 more retainers, consider getting a second service account, with that for 11€ you have the opportunity to use them like a bank, get a few alt and bring them to lvl 25 if you do this for every alt you can get up to 160 retainers in one datacenter(2serviceaccounts x 2 per char x 40 slots per DC)
Can't you do this without a second service account? Make a solo FC, get all your alts into the FC you'll need a friend to invite them. Then just transfer items and gil through the FC?
I haven't done this, but it seems doable?
@@erikberg2893 nope you can't invite or join an FC that has no players online you need someone else to do that, but thare is no need to buy if you can ask a friend together
A fellow roegadyn thank you for this helpful video man!
No problem 👍 Trying to put Ros on the map.
This is a great video! I'm interested to hear though your opinions on selling high value items, like treasure map mats or rare drops and mounts, should you happen to just get them. Should you craft rare mats, and is it worth it to keep a mount up worth millions if its not selling and if so should u undercut by a large amount. Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. I would say all sources of revenue should be explored and exploited. The video is a simple compass to guide daily sales for people who dont want to deal with high compeition.
To answer some of your questions I would craft the rare mats into the most popular and highest selling item it can make. Selling jus the mats for a minute of extra work is a missed opportunity.
I like collecting mounts, but if you have extras, i would look at not just your server but the rest of your datacentet prices to get a good idea of what the item is really going for. Mounts typically dont go up in value, they can but generally they stay steady or slowly decline over time. I would sell rather than hold.
Undercutting and price dropping can be 2 different things. Again refer to the rest of your data center, and adjust your price with a larger data set for more precise pricing information.
Hope that helps
I'm too lazy to craft and manage retainers a lot, so crafting on a patch day to make a quick 50-100mil is the most time efficient technique I found. Also for passive income not related to the market board submarine can be a good choice for a passive 12mil per month
My second retainer is also named "M'lord" so it's awesome to see we had the same idea, am I gonna make it?
Birds of a feather flock together. You are truly on you way to becoming a manchild
One thing i want to add is you should try to be on the lookout for items required to turn for the crafters quest lines
They're usually short on supplies and people will buy them to skip crafting it themselves and depending on the level of the quest these could go from 50 to 100k a pop
Yes, absolutely. A lot of the items I make end up being those, or GC, turn ins
Dumb question but are the daily items the same for everyone or does it vary?
@@0shawhat They're based on your level, as in the GC turn-in item for each job will always be something that's appropriate for your level in that job. If you have a level 57 Carpenter and a level 88 Miner then your Carpenter item will be like level 56-58 and your Miner item will be like 87-89. Beyond that I'm pretty sure it's random within the pool of valid items.
that MB sort is great
Truly a game changer
This is a good guide, unless you’re a newer player… wish there were more guides that focussed on those who don’t have everything maxed out.
I might make one since you mentioned it.
What do you think of cornering certain markets? Like seeing that there are 10 cheap lots of 1 unit of an item, buying them up and reselling them for a profit in 1 10 unit lot.
You can but there's no barrier to entry. Someone can just repost and undercut at any price. It's doable but I wouldn't depend on making a ton of gil that way
I wouldn't recommend a 1 gil undercut, but a steps of gil instead. Or to pricematch, because a re-list puts you back on the top as well. The only reason why I don't suggest an exact 1 is because a lot of people (me included) avoid 1-gil undercuts and the people currently doing that are growing. Sure it still works, but you also do somewhat limit yourself than if you undercut in 5-10 gil steps. Like I say, it's minor, but it can make a difference for how much people are willing to purchase something
Price match won't put you at top but right under the cheapest price in chronological order. I don't see how undercutting 5 gil is somehow more polite than 1 gil. To each their own I just don't understand the logic.
@@Manchild_Gaming Dunno honestly it just tends to sell quicker if I undercut by 5 over one and the 7 fcs I am in, the 2 I am leading and the discords I'm in all seem to share the sentiment. Not saying it's logical it's just anecdotal evidence. And pricematching has gotten me to insta-sell my things so it seems to work considering the amount of gil I have in short time 😅 none of this is a must it was just meant as a friendly suggestion
I didn't take any ill will. There are a lot of people misunderstanding the undercut and how it's displayed. But none the less your input was appreciated, and I'm glad you shared your experiences with others
I stopped after making 350 million gil. There wasn't much point to continue. I respect your dedication but it also puzzles me :D
Just a high score thing for myself I wanted to do. 350 should be more than anyone would ever need.
Damn you, giving away my secrets like that.
Also yes, I agree, there definitely are people using bots to undercut you. I've tested this a million times and it's just impossible for them to update the price so fast. Sad, but I'll take this over anti cheat and DRMs that will destroy the modding scene (even though I personally use 0 mods myself, I like the videos where they redo limit breaks and abilities with custom effects. Also bards macros)
The good thing is that people will simply fill in needed items on the market. If they follow that, they'll never ruin the market for anyone else either.
Building up a stockpile sounds useful. I usually sell materials after I craft what I want. Maybe I should keep them instead? I have a few staples I have my retainers gather materials for but maybe I should try new things. Is it worth crafting ingots instead of buying them if I get ore from retainers? I usually just buy them to save on shards and time. Combat classes are great retainers when I need a skin for leather or something else. I have 3 miners, 2 botanists and 4 combat class retainers. Should I change a miner or combat class to fisher?
Many questions here
I stockpile because prices fluctuate often and maybe I don't want to server travel or maybe every server is expensive at that time.
You could change one to fisher or miner it's really your preference. So far fisher is almost useless and hasn't ever been too useful so far, that can change in the future.
As for the ingots it depends sometimes they get real pricey. If that's the case I make my own but I typically stockpile those too.
And here I was stuck selling coke, cobalt ore and darksteel like a backstreet drug dealer... time to go for those armor pieces
'I have a double masters'
Yeah lovely mate, who doesn't these days...
'I have max gil'
Holy shit this guys a pro!!! 😲
It sadly probably took more hours to do the gil
you don't even have to undercut by one, there is a secondary sort that puts you at the top of the list if your entry is the most recent. Just matching the cheapest price is the best way to go.
If you match you will appear below first posters by default. In a perfect world yes everyone would filter like that but they don't. Which is why I recommended to undercut. The single gil isn't a loss for anyone really anyway it's when someone cuts 30% out of spite that it's bad for everyone
While I don't go out of my way to make a whole lot of gil, if you enjoy gathering, it's very lucrative. And don't go for the super rare stuff either, because it doesn't sell often. The stuff with a really high turnover rate that is used in lots of endgame crafts is really the best imo. Personally I just send my retainers out for it. But sometimes I'll go farm some stacks if I'm in the mood.
Keep in mind to give the proper gear to gathering retainers, if you're using them to gather for you. At 4:30 it shows the retainer bringing back 20 Palm Syrup, but with appropriate gear that will be 50, so effectively 2,5x more items for each trip. It's pretty easy nowadays to give them good enough gear as well, like with the 6.4 scrip gear. Breakpoint for the max amount of items should be around 3938 perception for EW items. It's definitely worth the extra investment, especially if you're sending them away to gather a lot.
Very true. I haven't kept up with them as I haven't made gil in a long time. I think around dawntrail time I'll go over the Stat break points etc
Not me smiling cause of the Name Egg Chen. Time to go take down Lo pan
Big Trouble in Little China.....those of us who know are growing fewer in number
Market flipping has become my thing lol.
I tanked a dye listing yesterday lol
Lol no mercy. You are someone's hero and another's enemy
@@Manchild_Gaming
It amazes me what people will pay for.
Rose pink dye is like 30 gil a pot from NPC vendors.
But people will buy them like 400 a pop on the market lol
One important factor, never ever take the current price of an item as its average. Always check the history because a lot of high priced low amount items have the price hiked up and it will crash back to normal price quite fast.
This is especially important if you are flip selling.
True, but I always raise the price if competition is low. It will always crash back like you said, but I try to capitalize on the lack of current supply
There is ALWAYS money in housing items, it makes me a lot over time. Be it simple windows or items that need 1 special mat, it will sell. My first breakthrough item was the ureaus coat at 40k a sale. A lvl 1 dyable not restricted nice glam makes it available to everyone. With one material that was slightly harder to obtain made it easy to corner the market and easy to pull out if someone floods.
I think housing items are more complex and people steer away from crafting them. I could be wrong but i feel like they have alot of subcomponents. None the less I think you are right, housing items can be good.
The nice thing about undercutting bots is you can sometimes bait them into selling super low as long as you get the timing right, then you can grab the items yourself for almost nothing. Not worth it most of the time but very good on rare stuff.
Yessir the tanking the market part is useful for this. I wish developers would find a way to fix this. I think the only way is only to let you adjust prices once an hour or something.
Fair warning for this, some bots will only undercut to a certain threshold, then attempt to buy out anything below that to resell again at a higher price.
Made it to 200+ mil just farming the hell out of cookies during ShB and doing gathering off-marketboard for my crafter friends, especially tomestones. Biggest way I've ever made gil though? Gposes, say what you will but the social gil-making scene is just another level entirely so if you have the skills, it may be worth looking into in the down time.
Cookies are a good slow and steady or were I think there's an endwalker version but it wasn't as good cause they changed it or something. Getting old can't remember now
My biggest problem I'm having is feeling guilty selling low level items for 50k+... I need to get over that...
Its the circle of life, we eat our own young around here.
Would you suggest an alt char to have access to a higher variety of retainer jobs? my main has 4 Botanist and 5 Miner, but I really struggle with mob loots. Is it worth it or should I rearrange my existing retainer jobs?
Definitely need combat jobs to gather those are the worst to try and farm yourself. I would rearrange personally. Hope it helps and best of luck
I was wondering if there were bots in the marketboard . Now I know
Do you server-hop to buy mats or do you just buy everything off your server's market ?
Yeah I hop it depends if prices are extreme I'll hop. Sometimes I just will make a different item if I'm too lazy
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@@Manchild_Gaming My Quicken reports were on one of those tomestones and I didn't make any backups ;(
Do you have any suggestions on what kinds of things would be better to sell where the game is now between major patches and keading up to the expansion?
The best thing to do is just keep selling. It might be a good idea to save materia for patch day, especially savage patch days. But be careful when it comes to new expansions. You don't wanna be sitting on a mountain of old materia if a new expansion adds new materia.
Another thing that usually sells well all the time is furniture and dyes. I made a decent amount flipping stuff you can just buy from NPCs.
In the camp of avoiding big trends but as Crazy said materia can be very profitable. Especially with an expansion.
@@BlazingAzureTheta Sometimes even old materia sell for lots, especially gp and cp ones. I personally sold thousands of cp and gp V and VII materia for 10k+ gils in endwalker. Probably because they have a higher overmeld chance, at least V. VII is a mystery for me, why they sometimes even sell for 15k+ with the same chances as IX but triple the price. I guess they dont know, that overmelding 1 or 2 cp/gp over the cap doesnt matter.
@Manchild_Gaming As I watch again I'm considering adding a few more retainers. Can you share your breakdown for battle, fishing, botany, and mining among your retainers?
Dont you need a lot of pre-existing gil to max your crafters and gatherers
No. Do NOT use the first guide result on google, they are a gil selling site and have designed it to rip you off.
Use the Teamcraft leveling guide instead. I recently did it on a fresh character and made 10 mil in the process of leveling.
The real question is how much time do have. Gil can speed things up but you level them from nothing. We are all born broke in Eorzea...
you only need to spend money to level them if you don't craft/gather anything yourself. You can even sell stuff you craft or gather while you are leveling up the classes. I was selling very low level gear used for leves for 20k-40k a pop
Tbh that’s how I made my first 5 mil when I just started the game and picked up crafting and gathering. I followed Ashe10 advice in one of his old guides to gather and craft everything myself and to make doubles for job quests and gear that’s on demand. So I’ve been making my gear, my leves, my turnins, gathering mats for all of this. Certainly takes more time and need some sort of a tool like teamcraft to organise the lists, but for me it was worth it, and I do enjoy this part of the game anyway.
Paying real life money for more retainers to make more gil is like buying gil, lol.
But the upside of that system is that because bots can't post "infinite items" it forces people to pick and choose what to sell. So for new players, there's almost always gaps in the market that need filling.
Sometimes single patch day events can be good. I made about 300 million in the first week of the patch that introduced the Shirogane housing ward. New housing wards equal = furniture sales go up up up!
I also had paid for 8 retainers during that month, and basically spend that first week at the market board updating prices, adding more items, and just watching things fly off the shelves. Meanwhile my friends were raiding and doing the MSQ, lol. But if you enjoy crafting -- you'll always come ahead.
Which leads me to my final point about undercutting at a loss. People who craft for fun can always undercut at a loss, because they're not trying to min/max profit. They inherently enjoy the process, so if they make 3 billion last expansion, and come into the new one just making shit and dicking around. They can have really interesting affects on the market.
Furthermore, yes, time in the market is everything. For the new people coming in and wondering how older players have gobs of gil? Remember, some people have been playing this game religiously for almost 10 years. Can you imagine how much gil someone who's played for 10 years would have?
AND, it gets a lot easier to save money over time. A new player looks at the game and sees "100 pets, 1,000 outfits, hair unlocks, dyes, STUFF STUFF STUFF!" So to catch up, and buy all the cool glamours and fashion shit they want will cost a small fortune up front. But once you've more established and have what you want. IT's liks all of your profit goes straight into savings.
When there's nothing left to buy, it all adds up!
And when there's nothing left to buy -- undercutting is a fun way to burn money to piss off salty people who private message you and call you names, lol You gonna be rude to me for no reason? I hope you enjoy me crashing your market for 6 months for fun. They'll run out of money long, long before an ancient gil baron would.
Many good points here. You know much of the gil world👍
Teach a man to Fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
True
I've been making bank farming night club glam contests. Since ive started doing it ive made away least 60 mil or so from it. Learned to do macro transforms and stuff to stand out, and it's more fun then slaving on mb. I dont really craft or gather have 2 retainers sitting at 65 mil atm.
The method in this video will work, but posting more real money for retainers sucked so I accepted being less rich
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Great vid! Tho I firmly believe anyone undercutting by 1 gil should be jailed for 24hrs
How else to undercut? Undercutting by more only hurts everyone else's chance at more gil. Or not undercutting at all would be nice I suppose 🙂
Oh for sure, if peeps could establish a baseline gil that wasn't "teehee I see you listed this for 200,000 so I'ma list for 199,999". Like, yes I get it, just like in real life people want the thing for cheaper and the provider wants money.. but IRL product undercuts screws folks over IRL too 😭
Obviously this is just more of an inconvenience compared to other things in the game that could actually be changed!! I absolutely concede it's dumb/nitpicky, but I can imagine it's what drives some listers to go, "Undercut by a gil 3 days in a row by the same two people? Aite goodbye market, I'm tanking this" 🤣
Ill share my old ways as I no longer use them.
The firmament is stupidly good for early gil and leveling.
You can level gatherers and directly sell some of those items for straight gains and getting some scrips at the same time.
Some diadem materials sell for 200-400 a piece at least on sargatanas.
Not only that, if you dont want to sell the materials and havent finished the crafters grind, you can use the materials to level your crafters and use those crafts to get even more scrips and xp.
The lower level crafts are incredibly cheap and way too profitable in xp and scrip exchange.
You can then trade the scrips for sellable items like the parasol, which sells for around 400k and is super popular.
Even nowadays when the prices are good i dedicate an hour to farm a certain resource and get around 200k with just around an hour of click simulator.
It might be a hassle for people who are already omnicrafters and gatherers but its the best reccomendation i can give to crafting/gathering starters as it also saves a lot of time and brings profit along the way.
That Chapelle cameo about took me out 😂
I miss Chapelle show
@@Manchild_Gaming you and me both :(
man im trying so hard to level up all my gathering first to then be able to max out my crafters more comfortably but i have miner and botanist stuck at lv70 and i got no idea what to do now to keep up! fishing has the ocean trips but idk abt those two when leves aren't that much exp at a time. pain
Grand company turn ins and beast tribes help alot. Can also do skybuilders area in the firmament.
Dope vid
Thanks
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That Dave Chappelle edit was personal :(
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for free retainers its still 2 max right?
Lol A A Ron best name so far. Yeah 2 free all day. De Nice!
it only tanks the market if you undercut them back. i can sell for w.e price i want since i dont buy anything. if they want to lose money to undercut thats their problem. you can also just buy it and sell it higher if you think its too cheap.
Absolutely right
Me stockpiling expensive dyes for when two dye channels comes out in 7.0. Dye demand spike incoming
Ooo yeah dyes is gonna be a good one for 7.0. Nice one
also mods like public market board save you so much time looking for lower prices :3 if ur into mods that is. its doable with out it just takes more time to check servers for cheap prices
How often does it update the prices?
@@Manchild_Gaming it updates on demand. so everytime you search for an item or hover over the item with the window open it pulls the current data. Id say its around 99% accurate there are some times where some one buys an item you were looking for when you get to mb. but for the majority of the time its accurate and also shows sale history which is good for market research
ohh thats pretty cool@@olloplayspc
That's a lot of work. Just pop level 80 Zonures and solo the overworld stuff with Blue. The glam materials sell for a lot and you can make millions in a few hours.
Alternatively, you can farm easy trials for materials. Tsukuyomi material sells for 400k and can be killed by two people.
A shell FC owner can make passive 500k/day on average just from collecting voyage results.
There are a lot more other ways of making huge amounts of gil without checking the market very often. TBH Gil does not have a lot of use in the game so it's better to make it passively and just buy whatever you need whenever you need it.
You are right there are many ways. This is just the most stable way other than subs that I enjoyed using. I used to farm trials but they often are flooded as well. Housing is more available so subs are more viable these days.
I have ruined the Thanalan Soil market on Jenova and it has left me destitute. Remember to diversify if you are undercutting kiddos!
Haha good place to shop for soil then right?
As a 🌱 i beg for Gil and it work but have a good reason social experiment.
Some one give me blanket and food
Can you trick bots into undercutting you for a very low price and you buy them up and resell at higher?
Yes that can be done, it dont always work out though but ill crash the market if i think someone is botting
This is great for downtime for crafting, but honestly you should avoid downtime crafting as much as possible unless you just need quick gil. If you put a fraction of that same effort into patch day prepping when new master recipes, savage, and ultimate content releases, the payout is exponentially better.
It's a difference of spending 10,000 hours to make a billion gil, vs spending 100 hours to make a couple hundred million gil.
I've done both. I think it comes down to how much people can put in within a small amount of time
The guide is to make gil whenever you please consistently. Some people are still a fraction of the way through thr msq...
But for speed demons for sure patch prep etc is a big pay day
All this time... I never even noticed the filter button on the market board (for sorting by quantity). 🤦♂
It's alright there are no mistakes. Just happy accidents
1) find a small fc with a house
2) ask if they have subs
3) if no offer to join
4) ask to have access to the subs
5) spend about 2 months leveling and crafting subs
6) make about 1 mil gil profit/week from salvage.
Later ranks and proper upgrades net you pretty well around 3-4 million a week if you set it up right with the correct routes, too
This is a solid passive income setup. I probably wouldn't do it myself unless I owned the fc. The guy may quit out of nowhere or just jack everything
@@LordServbot with what routes are you hitting that ? cause my subs are kinda sitting right now
@druidimos In this order:
Unidentified Derelict
Wreckage of Discovery I
Concealed Bay
The Wreckage of the Headway
Should be able to get a couple of those early on and move toward the others as you rank up and upgrade Range and Surveillance
If you're capped at max gil and ever need some help clearing it out I will offer my humble service any time 😁
Im just doing retainer ventures set the price mid and only lower them once my stores are full