I'm a gunsmith, I have several HWs all tuned by me but also 3 Remington springers again all tuned, I fitted set back triggers to them, they are HW triggers just bore the hole for a 3mm pin instead of 2mm, the Rems are just as smooth and accurate as the HWs, the Remington are great value and very easy to tune, HWs are too, plus easy to buy decent stocks for them too
Like your Videos Andy. Good job here. Long been wondering if I wanted a .25 in addition to all of the others. Took a good look in the cabinet and lo and behold I found a .20.
It's like this you can have all the best of, but you couldn't hit a barn door.its all about the shooter and if you get help practice and more practice we have all been there good days if I do not do the work you will get no were, bad days and good days when you get it set up we like, any problems it's your self great video great rifles would I buy them yes and would enjoy shooting them in side farm sheds shooting pigeon crows jays rats and rabbits, HW for the fields and Remington in the sheds and around the farm.
@@felgate11 I agree, I had a BSA Mercury when I was 10, a bit big for me but I learnt to shoot with it, open sights and thousands of shots......sold it sadly when I was sixteen to go towards a HW80 which I still have to this day. I'm now catching you up at 52. :-)
I've got you all beaten. I've still got my BSA Airsporter which my dad bought me in 1961. I'm 71 now. The rifle is in original condition, still the original leather piston seal, still shooting .22s at 9 to 10 ft lbs. British used to be best.
I still have my bsa meteor mk3 late. I’ve had since 1975. It puts 10 pellets through same hole at 15 metres. Polished trigger seaers and it’s lovely. Old guns are fun.
If you are on a budget Weihrauch HW99s is the best springer on the market in the £200ish price range. Performs about as well as the HW95k which is twice the price. You do not get a scope but the rifle destroys the competition in that price range for accuracy. New to the channel but looking forward to seeing more.
I have an HW95 in .177. Had it maybe 15 years and it is simply brilliant. The build quality is excellent. It's accurate. It's reliable. It looks and feels fantastic. I love it.
I've got to stop watching this channel Andy has cost me a small fortune in guns cases and sights . I won't mention the replicas, But I and my 16yr old gunslinger of a daughter are happy with our walther reigns. But now skint. Love the reviews cheers Andy. Merlin out.
I've got a 30yr old Relum. I've just put new washers in it and an Ox mainspring. I can put pellets on top of pellets at 30m and easily takes rabbits at 40m+. I love that old, cheap springer.
I've also got an old Relum Telly that I've fitted with a PTFE piston seal and a titan XS mainspring. I will never sell it as it was inherited from my uncle. It's an agricultural, basic old thing but really fun to shoot. Not going to spend a fortune on it as you can buy them second hand in reasonable condition for about £70.
Ive had my HW 95 .25 for over a decade now. It used to be an original 95 .22 but I ordered a .25 barrel from Chambers. It has a DIY V Mach kit and DIY Delrin Buttons giving 11.40 FTLBS and is lovely to shoot. I keep to a max of 30 yards and the pellet arc with 20 Grain FTT's is surprisingly shallow with my MTC Viper 10 X scope. Great ratting gun as it stops them almost dead unlike other calibres where some acrobatics is normal!!!
Ironically, my .20 Weihrauch HW100 is probably the best calibre / gun I've ever used. Sitting right in between the .177 and the .22 - I also have a Daystate Huntsman in .25 which would make for an awesome heavy hitting close range hunter. For me, the .20 and the .25 are both better than the much more common calibre.
When i stared shooting with airrifles in the mid 70's here in the UK you had a limited choice for a while then along came Wiehrauch, their first serious model was the HW35, i waited until the improved rounded stock appeared on the HW80, i bought the first version and found the wide sharp fronted stock way too uncomfortable., so it went back. Then the best arrived in underlever form the HW77, this was far better and felt more premium. I bought a tuned version with a walnut stock and silencer from Venon Arms, it looked superb. Of the break barrels i prefered the gas ram HW90, but the Theoben Sirroco was a far superior option and i used one for years, sadly they are no longer in production. Re Budget vs Premium, i think that once you try a premium rifle you won't want to go back, they are far more pleasant to shoot with.
My hw80 is 30 years old and still as crisp as the day I bought her so if you can afford it go hw it'll stand the test of time. Thanks for the very informative video, enjoyed it very much.
I understand your point, I did the same with grundig TV. Problem is, decades later they might have the same badge but they were a completely different build. Unfortunately you can’t be delighted with something then go back in time to pick up another one. I am no longer convinced the big brand names mean (significantly more) quality, much of the time. There will always be exceptions.
The problem with HW today is they´re cutting corners to keep cost down, unlike the rifles they put together back in the day.. They are still one of the best regarding build quality and accuracy, but they do need to be disassembled to have the internals ported and polished for burs, preferably from new.. that is if your hoping to get problem free longevity out of them..
I have a HW95, HW97, HW98 and Pro Sport. I love my HW98 the best. Always buy a good gun which will give you consistency, reliability and longevity! Buy cheap buy twice!
Cheers from the states. I really enjoy your videos and your honesty in your reviews. I’m addicted to watching your honest reviews. Keep up the amazing work!
Nice video, and covers all parameters quite well! Well done! I shoot about 70% pcp, but I like to keep up my muscle memory, and ability to transition to a springer if the need arises. Plus, my Hatsan .30 cal springer is just loads of fun to shoot!
Really like the fact that you put power values in joules as well, in France we only speak in joules or meters per seconds for the speed, and the maximum power without an FAC is 20 joules (15 ft-pds), having values in joules makes it way easier for comparisons
I’m just getting back into shooting after 30 yrs , I opted for the gas ram , webley vmx DR, bought that , only put 8 shots through it , cos watched your review on the victory cp2 , so bought one of them as well , cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
Another great video and I don’t even like springers, LOL. I think you do the best airgun videos on the net. Your evaluations and insights make me think about factors I’ve never considered in my prior 50+ years of airgun enjoyment. Kinda sad your focus in sub-12s but, also completely understand and you do cover FACs as well. Great job Andy from a yank in the states!
I have four HW”s HW30 urban pro, HW50 Hunter, 1995 beeman R9 and HW35E the first three are .177 the HW35 .22 . I would say the HW30 is by far my favorite for backyard use.
I had a Gamo .22 air rifle. After trying every brand of pellet available I tested the RWS pellet. It proved most accurate and most effective on small game.
Nice review . Couple of points the safety on the sabre is restable (hence the lever ) without having to recock the gun .hw isnt . Also jsb kings arent suited to sub 12 .25 cal guns .a h+n ftt is usually a better option as they are much lighter and faster .they also have a better terminal effect on quarry than the heavier kings .
springers always made sense to me as you don't need a "charge". I bought two Dianna 34's a .177 T05 and .22 T06 I found the T06 trigger as good or better than either of my Remington M700's. almost as good as the double set triggers on my Flintlock. The accuracy is incredible with either.
I own the sabre and I simply can't fault it. It's a quality made item BUT that being said I'm left with little choice but to buy the winerack to do this test myself. Andy great vid as always and I wish her a speedy recovery after surgery 👍
Great review as always,.... and just my 2p, I have a preference for the look of the Sabre stock, the cheek comb, and that it covers the breach sneak it ahead for me.
I wouldn't worry about the ball lockup vs. the other. A Ball lock is also found on my RWS Diana, which isn't really a budget rifle. The rifle is an early 90s model and has close to 20K rounds. In fact had to replace the spring and piston seal once. It has held up nicely.
Wish I had found this video earlier. I'll bet a week doesn't go by that a novice doesn't ask this same question on various forums. Now I can just link this video. Many thanks.
Good comparison review Andy, Remington are getting better but for me I would be thinking which could be handed to the grandkids and be worth it in the long term, and it would be the HW. but if you want a good gun for now and the next few years then the Remington would have to be looked at.
Interesting about the point of balance. Accomplished spring gun shooters (I'm only average) recommend a front weight bias to help keep the gun steady and on aim but like your wife I prefer a central or rearward weight bias as it is less tiring to support. Both rifles in their own way represent good value. My only experience of a .25 calibre rifle was a Hatsan Striker which was incredibly accurAte with lovely soft recoil cycle and I'd certainly consider another in this calibre.
Had a Remington Express, it worked ok for a cheep gun. Now have a HW95 in .22 which is by far the better rifle. It just feels "better" and I will still be using to way after the price has been forgotten.
Hey Andy, I decided to buy a springer, Nitro piston gun because I'm a prepper and while a PCP gun would be nice and a hand pumps are available. I needed something that was not dependent on electricity, scuba tanks or manual pump. In case things deteriorate to the point of not having infrastructure I still have a launcher that works. This is a strong argument for the springer or pump gun. The pump guns make a lot of noise during the pumping stage the break barrel springer is quick and quite so to speak.
Quality all the way I have the 95k and a 45 black Star hand cannon lol it's all about lasting as there are 80s and 77s still out there as good as day they were made !
Hi Andy, thanks for making this video, comparison of airguns is interesting. My suggestion would be if possible compare budget vs premium guns of the same calibre OR compare different calibres of the same make and model of gun. If you vary one thing at a time while attempting to eliminate all the other variables as far as it's reasonably possible then this type of qualitative comparison becomes more meaningful.
An American here, I currently have an RWS model 48 in .22, it shows best accuracy with JSB diabolo pellets. The 15 and 18gr pellets show basically the same consistancy. I think the 15gr pellet chronod from my gun at 830fps, the 18gr about 795fps
Love the channel Andy and what a suprise, i have always thought .25 to be an FAC calibre, would love to see what the arc is like for that pellet, and now a big ask, if its not to much trouble, i would love to see a review of 177, 20, 22 and 25, i usually use 177 for target and 22 for hunting or outdoors but i have recently been looking at .20 as an intermediate do it all calibre, mind not that i hunt anymore, showing arc, power at 20m / 40m springer or PCP makes no odds, mind i also have a hatsan 95 gas ram comming in .22. Up to now my firm favorite on springers has been the weihrauch trigger which i feel has always been one of the best, but we now have better trigger units comming out on more and more air guns, with the quatro being said to be extremley good, as well. a hatsan v weihrauch and the BSA meteor mk7 (just what is the trigger like) comaprison/review? Now after asking all this might i say love what you do on this and the drapers chanels, and along with Giles on air gun gear show and Steve Allan's chanel, you have probley saved me a small fortune by making more informed chioices while getting back into air gunning again. Oh and yes i am goiung to get a bottle for my PCPs but that pump is helping me to get fir, that at least is what i tell myself. So a very big thanks from me
For me Jim, I go with the old saying, " why settle for less, when the best costs no more" Actually I heard that sound too, and chuckled to myself at the apparent lack of quality in the 'Sabre which, no doubt, was made far from these shores!
@@user-xw3tn8ee5c Now, this is a topic for airgun experts, BUT they will likely tell you first, that it depends on what kind of shooting you plan to do. There is, as you are aware, a big difference between these calibers. Andy, in this video mentioned the great arc in the trajectory of the .25 as compared to the .22. My humble suggestion is for you to go on UA-cam and ask for videos showing the differences between these. It's not an easy question to answer here.
@@user-xw3tn8ee5c My humble suggestion here for you, would be to have a look at other videos which may answer your question(s) with more expertise. You will find that a lot of 'real experts' will ask the question of you first,...." what are you planning to shoot with your choice of rifle/caliber?" I do know that the arc of trajectory is far greater in the larger (heavier) pellets. UA-cam does have a vast array of information that you can benefit from , like it has for me.
@@user-xw3tn8ee5c.... You better Really KNOW your scope with the .30 Cal Hatsan, and the recoil is tremendous (re: "scope killer"). As far as the Hatsan 95... both calibers work well in that model and there have been many good reviews for both of them. Always keep in mind, that you will pay more and get less, when it comes to .20, .25. & definitely .30 cal ammo compared to the .177 & .22 cal ammo, not to mention FAR More choices of types of pellets in those two calibers, as well as they are both much more easily attainable at various outlets... though the .25 is beginning to gain ground in both, types and availability as more guns are becoming available in .25 cal. Of course the main consideration that you need to be honest about with yourself is... What is your primary reason for getting one and what is your primary intended use and at what desired range from your target. Also, what country do you live in, and what are the laws regarding any power (fpe) "Limits"... if any? IF... you live in the UK or Canada for instance.... there really is No point in getting a .25.... let alone a .30 cal. but a .177, .20 or .22 would be sufficient in either of those two countries. Considering the power laws in both of those countries, you really would Not have enough power to send either of the larger two (.25/.30) very far down range.... in fact, the .30 cal would be pretty well useless past about 20 yds at best. JSB only makes Two different Pellets in .30 cal and they are both $18.(+tax) for a tin of 150 pellets... you can buy approximately 500 to 1,000 pellets for the same price from most all of the pellet brands available, in .177 & .22 cal. depending on where you're buying them and the brand and type. Both Predator (JSB) and H&N only offer One type of pellet, each... for the .30 cal.... so you only have a total choice of 4 types of pellets. Your intended use, how frequently you truly intend to shoot, and maximum shooting distance should be what dictates your choice of gun and caliber... not to mention your maximum price point that you can comfortably pay.
I have the HW95 .177 & find it to be a beautifully made rifle. I use it for garden rodent control & even with my cheap Chinese scope it is deadly accurate. Bisley Pest Control pellets pack a lethal punch & the Bisley Superfield are nice all roubders.
Buy cheap, buy twice has been my experience. My 97KT STL and HW110 have been brilliant, I've found myself hankering aftera .22 95K lately to dodge the 97's weight! 😁 Alternative though, I'd find it hard to ignore a 99s at Remington money...Great videos, thoroughly enjoy them.
As always very informative. Thank you. I understand being in the U.K. and that sub 12 guns are a priority, but would love to see more in FAC guns. Here in the USA mostly all the sub 12 guns are from the big box stores and quite honestly for the most part are just crap. Like you, I prefer PCPs and most are under a grand.
Interesting point about reach to the trigger. Like you, I have long fingers. I always found my ProSport rather cramped in that regard. The trigger blade, even adjusted, sat in the crook of rather than on the pad of my finger. I tried a HW95 and it felt as if it had been made for my hand. The reach was perfect for me and I much preferred the broad, flat blade, too (found the AA too skinny). So despite that fact that the AA was a fabulous gun and very accurate, I sold it and now have a couple of 95s. I enjoy your reviews.
Very interesting vid ... Always wondered about a .25 ( sub 12 ) and you don't see many reviews on them , if any , you can get a lighter weight pellet too " assist " in a flatter trajectory ... But that would defeat the object ( well maybe not completely ) a 20grn would be ideal ... Can only see a .25 ( sub 12 ) being beneficial in ( say ) a barn with close quarter rats .. which is excellent .. might , just ! MIGHT , get an NP02 in .25 .. and excellent budget PCP in it's own right .... Superb review btw ... Keeping it " real " yet again ...
Once u find the right pellets in that hw95 and a good tune it will be a great gun. I can get 5p groupings at 50 yards with mine and I'm still not happy with that I'm gonna try qyc pellets and will be very happy with them. My barrel will eat them like smarties.
Great video and very informative. I am coming back to shooting air rifles after many years away, just as lead pellets come off the menu. I have decided to buy a rifle and shoot lead-free from the start rather than go through the trauma of leading it and then unleaden it. I have always been a fan of .177 in my previous rifles: Weirauch 97, BSA Super 10, BAS Spitfire and Theoben Sorocco. But due to the lightness of lead-free pellets should I be thinking of a bigger lead-free caliber for more pellet weight/density and hopefully more accuracy? I've been looking at the Weirauch 95 in .25 - that's how I arrived here. Thanks.
The .25 will be more of short range vermin control gun than the .22. More impact energy, larger shock radius and the flight time is reasonably short for sub 35 yards shooting. Nice review and a fair comparison BTW.
Alan Tippett I bought a hw80 shoots like an absolute dog, tried every pellet going. Sent it back had it serviced and tuned still a dog. I understand this is uncharacteristic but still very frustrating
@@TheGameCamer360 I had a hw80 when they first came out in 1980. They have a fair bit of recoil but the weight helps with that. Certainly a gun that needs a lot of bedding in and no good resting on a bag etc. Only accurate to shoot freehand. Maybe the spring needs shortening. I will be doing that to my 99 now that I've polished the piston and correctly lubed the gun. Hope you get the 80 sorted, in my experience they're worth persevering with.
Alan Tippett, I was categorically told by Weihrauch to never polish the piston, it’s mottled purposely to help with grease application. I will soldier on with it, also had major problems with it be over the legal limit, it came out the box running at 18.5 ftps. Which is dreadful really
I guess I got spoiled having bought a second hand BSA Sportsman HV in .22 - yes it is a PCP and it can shoot one inch groups at 100 meters. The pumping up is very good exercise as well.
None of my hw have ever defraud me. My hw are much better tan cometa, gamo and, why not: aa tx200 .177 12fpe. I’ve had all of those brand and i know what i am talking about. Great video.
I’ve got the bug, and my next gun will be a pcp around the 500 to 600 quid don’t want to spend anymore cos when I’ve dialled the cost of the compressor, and decent sight it’s gonna be about the same as the gun in cost , was advised on the Waltha RM8 by a few people , so will have to look through your reviews see if you’ve done that one ,, cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
If you don't need to have multi-shot an air arms s400 is about £500 new and plenty available s/h. Fantastic gun you'll never grow out of. I've never regretted buying one
Nice video as usual, Andy. I’m currently deciding whether to get another springer/gas ram or go down the pcp route. I’d probably forego the extra shot count for accuracy. Decisions, decisions. 🤔
Great vid Sir! Always like the comparison vids. I’m bored as heck.....dug up a cheap Crossman pellet gun.......sit in the back yard and plink. Ranges are mostly closed and my Basic membership does not allow much at my club anyway. GBU & your family Andy! Michael in Houston
Very interesting comparison. I own an HW 90 177 had it since 1990 & a Xman Nitro Venom 22 both are good for my usage the HW is the better of the pair in quality & aim. The Nitro has a polycarbonate stock making it feel cheap but it’s quite a well engineered piece of work.
I've had a HW77 and 97 and the 80, just sold them and got a new 95, then l had a TX200 and Pro sport, good but l think the German guns are better made, and the Air arms are over priced, the 95 is lightweight just as accurate as the underleavers.
Excellent as always Andy! Very well balanced presentation, and a great demonstration of two very credible rifles. You pay you money and make your choice. The only factor you did not mention was future residual value and desirability, should a buyer wish to 'upgrade'. Decisions, decisions!!!!
I picked out a low-end .25 Spring-piston Remington VTR .25. I want to see how well it does compared to my high-end rifles. It has a synthetic stock, and basically a junker scope package. On the ranch, it may prove useful as a rifle you can keep outside in the shade while working. If something pops up, you can use a cheaper rifle to eradicate the pest, and leave the nice rifles in the case. I got a slight scratch on a stock once, as the wind came up and slid my rifle a bit where it was leaning. If it turns out to be a horrible rifle, I will return it, or give it to a friend. It was either this rifle or a Hatsan as my choices for a low-cost outside rifle in .25. This rifle says 900fps, but other videos show more of a 650 - 750fps with a variety of ammo. It was on sale for $159.00. It might be decent, who knows until you try it.
OK. I own several springers. Most of them very expensive, and very nice to look at. I love walnut stocks. Some are pellet sensitive, some are not. I do not wish to be critical about this video. I applaud your efforts in all things air gun. BUT ( i bet you saw the but coming) I did not see any testing of pellets for each gun. And p.s. the current big buzz is slugs in almost every type of air rifle out there. CAN I SHOOT SLUGS IN MY BUDGET AIR RIFLE WITHOUT GOING ALL IN ON SPECIAL BARRELS AND ALL THAT LOT. I expect that a sub-12-foot pound air rifle will experience more foot-pounds with the use of slug type ammo, but that is just a guess at the present. I have tried the new FXhybrids in a springer and they do work. Anyway...what do you say? take a look at slugs in some of your current inventory and let us know what you think.
Dread Boy I would think that the weight of the slug being the same as the pellet would keep you at sub 12 or less due to the added additional drag cause by more lead contact with the barrel from the slug. I could be wrong but they should be close in FPE. The difference would be down range where the slug would retain its velocity better due to higher BCs. IMHO then again once I thought I was wrong but I was mistaken lol
@@heathhalfhill6867 Slugs are nearly always heavier due to the fact there is little or no cavity just solid lead in most cases, yes there would be more friction to slow them down but you will struggle to keep them below 12ftlb in a gun that's pushing good power with a conventional diablo.
The other thing about hunting with .25 sub12 - 460 fps is slow enough that there is a real risk the prey will react to the sound of the shot and start moving before the pellet arrives
Interesting video content this time Andy,....I always ( well mostly ) try to opt for 'quality and reputation' over low cost when shopping for an Air Rifle, this video is a little off sided because of the calibers chosen here. There was mention of the checkering offering more "grip' on the fore stock,...for me, I prefer to use the 'artillery hold' on a springer, so that "grip" will not normally offer much benefit for the shooter, will it?
The physically longer .25" pellet always retains more energy at every practical hunting range. Impact "effect" depends on pellet weight times impact energy. So a .22" pellet at 15 grains has only three quarters of the impact "effect" of a 20 grain .25" Pellet retaining the same impact energy. Penetration will be good on small game for both calibres. But remember that the .25" pellet will probably retain more energy at any given range so hit with more force. Also if you keep your hunting distance within 30 yards the .25" pellet has a very good trajectory and is the practical equivalent of the .22" pellet. The downside is the bigger pellets are more expensive but very effective. Nice video.
I’ve got both in .22. The sabre I bought myself and the weihrauch was a lovely present from my wife. Yes the weihrauch has a smoother cycle and feels a better made gun, (mine has a walnut stock) but don’t discount the Sabre it really is a very good gun for the money the scope it comes with is ok, but I bought a second hand 3-9 x 40 and it suits it very well. It is very consistent and accurate. So if you can’t afford the Weihrauch go the the sabre as it really is good. I’ve had around 2000 pellets through mine and it’s still enjoyable to use. But if you have the extra money then you know what to spend it on.
For 12ftlbI suspect that .25 with any weight of pellet will become a bit loopy which is fine if you are laser ranging and turret dialing but again suspicion leads me to the idea that your lovely turret scope would self destruct with a springer. The latter part is sore experience on a 308 was fine on the springer it lasted about a week
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I'm a gunsmith, I have several HWs all tuned by me but also 3 Remington springers again all tuned, I fitted set back triggers to them, they are HW triggers just bore the hole for a 3mm pin instead of 2mm, the Rems are just as smooth and accurate as the HWs, the Remington are great value and very easy to tune, HWs are too, plus easy to buy decent stocks for them too
Like your Videos Andy. Good job here. Long been wondering if I wanted a .25 in addition to all of the others. Took a good look in the cabinet and lo and behold I found a .20.
It's like this you can have all the best of, but you couldn't hit a barn door.its all about the shooter and if you get help practice and more practice we have all been there good days if I do not do the work you will get no were, bad days and good days when you get it set up we like, any problems it's your self great video great rifles would I buy them yes and would enjoy shooting them in side farm sheds shooting pigeon crows jays rats and rabbits, HW for the fields and Remington in the sheds and around the farm.
I'm 45 still got my BSA mercury i bought when i was 13 still going strong. ✌😷
@@felgate11 I agree, I had a BSA Mercury when I was 10, a bit big for me but I learnt to shoot with it, open sights and thousands of shots......sold it sadly when I was sixteen to go towards a HW80 which I still have to this day. I'm now catching you up at 52. :-)
I've got you all beaten. I've still got my BSA Airsporter which my dad bought me in 1961. I'm 71 now. The rifle is in original condition, still the original leather piston seal, still shooting .22s at 9 to 10 ft lbs.
British used to be best.
Wow! Me too. I'm 43. Got BSA Mercury and had it for 30+ years. On 3rd spring but going strong.
Love BSA. Wish the triggers made more like a rekord unit tho. Bsa : best barrels ever,period
I still have my bsa meteor mk3 late. I’ve had since 1975. It puts 10 pellets through same hole at 15 metres. Polished trigger seaers and it’s lovely.
Old guns are fun.
Some of the best airgun videos on the internet. Informative, very dynamic but to the point, and entertaining.
Agradable ver que te informas y no sólo haces los videos
If you are on a budget Weihrauch HW99s is the best springer on the market in the £200ish price range. Performs about as well as the HW95k which is twice the price. You do not get a scope but the rifle destroys the competition in that price range for accuracy.
New to the channel but looking forward to seeing more.
I have an HW95 in .177. Had it maybe 15 years and it is simply brilliant. The build quality is excellent. It's accurate. It's reliable. It looks and feels fantastic. I love it.
I've got to stop watching this channel Andy has cost me a small fortune in guns cases and sights .
I won't mention the replicas, But I and my 16yr old gunslinger of a daughter are happy with our walther reigns.
But now skint.
Love the reviews cheers Andy.
Merlin out.
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I have an elderly HW95 in 177. Lovely gun, has taken quite a few rabbits. I treated it to a venom kit, it turned a good rifle into a great rifle.
I've got a 30yr old Relum. I've just put new washers in it and an Ox mainspring. I can put pellets on top of pellets at 30m and easily takes rabbits at 40m+. I love that old, cheap springer.
I've also got an old Relum Telly that I've fitted with a PTFE piston seal and a titan XS mainspring.
I will never sell it as it was inherited from my uncle.
It's an agricultural, basic old thing but really fun to shoot.
Not going to spend a fortune on it as you can buy them second hand in reasonable condition for about £70.
A Relum was my first airrifle, 42yrs ago. Great little gun.
Ive had my HW 95 .25 for over a decade now. It used to be an original 95 .22 but I ordered a .25 barrel from Chambers. It has a DIY V Mach kit and DIY Delrin Buttons giving 11.40 FTLBS and is lovely to shoot. I keep to a max of 30 yards and the pellet arc with 20 Grain FTT's is surprisingly shallow with my MTC Viper 10 X scope. Great ratting gun as it stops them almost dead unlike other calibres where some acrobatics is normal!!!
Ironically, my .20 Weihrauch HW100 is probably the best calibre / gun I've ever used. Sitting right in between the .177 and the .22 - I also have a Daystate Huntsman in .25 which would make for an awesome heavy hitting close range hunter. For me, the .20 and the .25 are both better than the much more common calibre.
When i stared shooting with airrifles in the mid 70's here in the UK you had a limited choice for a while
then along came Wiehrauch, their first serious model was the HW35, i waited until the improved rounded
stock appeared on the HW80, i bought the first version and found the wide sharp fronted stock way too
uncomfortable., so it went back.
Then the best arrived in underlever form the HW77, this was far better and felt more premium.
I bought a tuned version with a walnut stock and silencer from Venon Arms, it looked superb.
Of the break barrels i prefered the gas ram HW90, but the Theoben Sirroco was a far superior option
and i used one for years, sadly they are no longer in production.
Re Budget vs Premium, i think that once you try a premium rifle you won't want to go back, they are
far more pleasant to shoot with.
My hw80 is 30 years old and still as crisp as the day I bought her so if you can afford it go hw it'll stand the test of time. Thanks for the very informative video, enjoyed it very much.
I understand your point, I did the same with grundig TV.
Problem is, decades later they might have the same badge but they were a completely different build. Unfortunately you can’t be delighted with something then go back in time to pick up another one.
I am no longer convinced the big brand names mean (significantly more) quality, much of the time. There will always be exceptions.
The problem with HW today is they´re cutting corners to keep cost down, unlike the rifles they put together back in the day.. They are still one of the best regarding build quality and accuracy, but they do need to be disassembled to have the internals ported and polished for burs, preferably from new.. that is if your hoping to get problem free longevity out of them..
I have a HW95, HW97, HW98 and Pro Sport. I love my HW98 the best. Always buy a good gun which will give you consistency, reliability and longevity! Buy cheap buy twice!
I was half expecting him to say "you be the judge" near the end, he reminds me a bit of Paul Harrell
Not really, Paul doesn't show much emotion, if any at all
Got an old Weihrauch 77, 20 yrs old, still shoots true out to 40yds. .22 knock a bunny down.
Bravo as always. I'm an airgun aficionado and watch all I can find as far as these review videos go, yours are the best!
I still got a left handed HW80 thats got made in west germany stamped on it that i bought new and accurized in '89 and its still going....
I like the look of the stock on the Sabre.
Cheers from the states.
I really enjoy your videos and your honesty in your reviews. I’m addicted to watching your honest reviews. Keep up the amazing work!
Nice video, and covers all parameters quite well! Well done! I shoot about 70% pcp, but I like to keep up my muscle memory, and ability to transition to a springer if the need arises. Plus, my Hatsan .30 cal springer is just loads of fun to shoot!
Really like the fact that you put power values in joules as well, in France we only speak in joules or meters per seconds for the speed, and the maximum power without an FAC is 20 joules (15 ft-pds), having values in joules makes it way easier for comparisons
Great Review as Always. Andy!! The price difference accounts for.... 1)Labor costs. 2) Better overall parts quality. 3) Better Fit, Finish, Accuracy and... 4) A substantial difference in overall, trouble free - LONGEVITY!!
RUBBISH
"start your day with a smile, to keep everybody guessing" LOL like it.
As a lover of Springers. I enjoyed this video. The gun is only as good as your ability to shoot it and hit your mark.
I’m watching so many of your videos that next time I’ll go for grocery shopping I need to remember to buy you a pack of beer.
Very nice video, thankyou! You are the Jeremy Clarkson of airguns. Love watching your content, please keep it coming. Greetings from Germany
Thanks for watching, Stay safe. Andy
I’m just getting back into shooting after 30 yrs , I opted for the gas ram , webley vmx DR, bought that , only put 8 shots through it , cos watched your review on the victory cp2 , so bought one of them as well , cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
Since bought a Gamo Phox, as well , I couldn’t get hold of a Nova were I live cheers ,, watching these reviews is costing me a fortune. L o l Shane uk
Another great video and I don’t even like springers, LOL. I think you do the best airgun videos on the net. Your evaluations and insights make me think about factors I’ve never considered in my prior 50+ years of airgun enjoyment. Kinda sad your focus in sub-12s but, also completely understand and you do cover FACs as well. Great job Andy from a yank in the states!
I have four HW”s HW30 urban pro, HW50 Hunter, 1995 beeman R9 and HW35E the first three are .177 the HW35 .22 . I would say the HW30 is by far my favorite for backyard use.
I love my HW95 Luxus in 177
The HW99S (HW50 outside the UK) is about £190-£240, which sort of makes Chinese and Turkish options close to that price abit redundant.
I have a Sandwell Field Sports tuned 0.20 HW95 and its brilliant...👍🏻
The only issue is the limited ammo choices.
I'm thinking getting 1 in a 22 bud what u think of the imp ?
HW95 is good in all calibres.👍🏻
I had a Gamo .22 air rifle. After trying every brand of pellet available I tested the RWS pellet. It proved most accurate and most effective on small game.
Nice review .
Couple of points the safety on the sabre is restable (hence the lever ) without having to recock the gun .hw isnt .
Also jsb kings arent suited to sub 12 .25 cal guns .a h+n ftt is usually a better option as they are much lighter and faster .they also have a better terminal effect on quarry than the heavier kings .
I just brought out my Beeman R10 chambered in a .20 caliber barrel and within minutes was hitting bullseyes at 15 yards.💪🏻🇺🇸
springers always made sense to me as you don't need a "charge". I bought two Dianna 34's a .177 T05 and .22 T06 I found the T06 trigger as good or better than either of my Remington M700's. almost as good as the double set triggers on my Flintlock. The accuracy is incredible with either.
The 700 trigger can be improved by a competent gun Smith at little cost.
But for someone with little training this is very dangerous to attempt.
@@timothyterrell1658competent, very few and far between.
I own the sabre and I simply can't fault it. It's a quality made item BUT that being said I'm left with little choice but to buy the winerack to do this test myself. Andy great vid as always and I wish her a speedy recovery after surgery 👍
Great review as always,.... and just my 2p, I have a preference for the look of the Sabre stock, the cheek comb, and that it covers the breach sneak it ahead for me.
Ten years down the line the Weihrauch will still be going great, you can bet on that. The Sabre....Who knows.
I have to agree about springers not being whisper quiet. I've just bought a Gamo whisper Sting, and it is anything but whisper quiet. 😲
The noise of the spring working. Common theory is you hear it as its close to your ear, but any vermin down range doesn't. Not sure my self.
I wouldn't worry about the ball lockup vs. the other. A Ball lock is also found on my RWS Diana, which isn't really a budget rifle. The rifle is an early 90s model and has close to 20K rounds. In fact had to replace the spring and piston seal once. It has held up nicely.
Wish I had found this video earlier. I'll bet a week doesn't go by that a novice doesn't ask this same question on various forums. Now I can just link this video. Many thanks.
Good comparison review Andy, Remington are getting better but for me I would be thinking which could be handed to the grandkids and be worth it in the long term, and it would be the HW. but if you want a good gun for now and the next few years then the Remington would have to be looked at.
Interesting about the point of balance. Accomplished spring gun shooters (I'm only average) recommend a front weight bias to help keep the gun steady and on aim but like your wife I prefer a central or rearward weight bias as it is less tiring to support. Both rifles in their own way represent good value. My only experience of a .25 calibre rifle was a Hatsan Striker which was incredibly accurAte with lovely soft recoil cycle and I'd certainly consider another in this calibre.
Had a Remington Express, it worked ok for a cheep gun. Now have a HW95 in .22 which is by far the better rifle. It just feels "better" and I will still be using to way after the price has been forgotten.
Hey Andy, I decided to buy a springer, Nitro piston gun because I'm a prepper and while a PCP gun would be nice and a hand pumps are available. I needed something that was not dependent on electricity, scuba tanks or manual pump. In case things deteriorate to the point of not having infrastructure I still have a launcher that works. This is a strong argument for the springer or pump gun. The pump guns make a lot of noise during the pumping stage the break barrel springer is quick and quite so to speak.
You get what you pay for. Weihrauch all the way
My main airgun is a 21 year old hw77. Cracking gun to this day.
Quality all the way I have the 95k and a 45 black Star hand cannon lol it's all about lasting as there are 80s and 77s still out there as good as day they were made !
Hi Andy, thanks for making this video, comparison of airguns is interesting. My suggestion would be if possible compare budget vs premium guns of the same calibre OR compare different calibres of the same make and model of gun. If you vary one thing at a time while attempting to eliminate all the other variables as far as it's reasonably possible then this type of qualitative comparison becomes more meaningful.
An American here,
I currently have an RWS model 48 in .22, it shows best accuracy with JSB diabolo pellets. The 15 and 18gr pellets show basically the same consistancy. I think the 15gr pellet chronod from my gun at 830fps, the 18gr about 795fps
the thing i like about weichrauch is even after years of shooting they maintain there accuracy
New sub., But I LOVE watching your videos! A LOT of good info, (way over my head), but with a good sense of humor!!! 👍👍
Awesome!
Were expecting this one to show up within these minutes.. Weren't wrong. 😊👍
Love the channel Andy and what a suprise, i have always thought .25 to be an FAC calibre, would love to see what the arc is like for that pellet, and now a big ask, if its not to much trouble, i would love to see a review of 177, 20, 22 and 25, i usually use 177 for target and 22 for hunting or outdoors but i have recently been looking at .20 as an intermediate do it all calibre, mind not that i hunt anymore, showing arc, power at 20m / 40m springer or PCP makes no odds, mind i also have a hatsan 95 gas ram comming in .22. Up to now my firm favorite on springers has been the weihrauch trigger which i feel has always been one of the best, but we now have better trigger units comming out on more and more air guns, with the quatro being said to be extremley good, as well. a hatsan v weihrauch and the BSA meteor mk7 (just what is the trigger like) comaprison/review?
Now after asking all this might i say love what you do on this and the drapers chanels, and along with Giles on air gun gear show and Steve Allan's chanel, you have probley saved me a small fortune by making more informed chioices while getting back into air gunning again. Oh and yes i am goiung to get a bottle for my PCPs but that pump is helping me to get fir, that at least is what i tell myself. So a very big thanks from me
Good point, using one scope while comparing the two rifles.
We herd the the Remington being cocked sounded like gritty sand paper ! I bet the HW 95 will last a lot longer than the Remington.
Can u tell me which hatsan 95 sas gas piston rifle is better? .22 .25 Or i was really considering the .30 hatsan big bore. I'm confused.
For me Jim, I go with the old saying, " why settle for less, when the best costs no more" Actually I heard that sound too, and chuckled to myself at the apparent lack of
quality in the 'Sabre which, no doubt, was made far from these shores!
@@user-xw3tn8ee5c Now, this is a topic for airgun experts, BUT they will likely tell you first, that it depends on what kind of shooting you plan to do.
There is, as you are aware, a big difference between these calibers. Andy, in this video mentioned the great arc in the trajectory of the .25 as compared to the .22.
My humble suggestion is for you to go on UA-cam and ask for videos showing the differences between these.
It's not an easy question to answer here.
@@user-xw3tn8ee5c My humble suggestion here for you, would be to have a look at other videos which may answer your question(s) with more expertise. You will find that a lot of 'real experts' will ask the question of you first,...." what are you planning to shoot with your choice of rifle/caliber?"
I do know that the arc of trajectory is far greater in the larger (heavier) pellets.
UA-cam does have a vast array of information that you can benefit from , like it has for me.
@@user-xw3tn8ee5c.... You better Really KNOW your scope with the .30 Cal Hatsan, and the recoil is tremendous (re: "scope killer"). As far as the Hatsan 95... both calibers work well in that model and there have been many good reviews for both of them. Always keep in mind, that you will pay more and get less, when it comes to .20, .25. & definitely .30 cal ammo compared to the .177 & .22 cal ammo, not to mention FAR More choices of types of pellets in those two calibers, as well as they are both much more easily attainable at various outlets... though the .25 is beginning to gain ground in both, types and availability as more guns are becoming available in .25 cal.
Of course the main consideration that you need to be honest about with yourself is... What is your primary reason for getting one and what is your primary intended use and at what desired range from your target.
Also, what country do you live in, and what are the laws regarding any power (fpe) "Limits"... if any? IF... you live in the UK or Canada for instance.... there really is No point in getting a .25.... let alone a .30 cal. but a .177, .20 or .22 would be sufficient in either of those two countries. Considering the power laws in both of those countries, you really would Not have enough power to send either of the larger two (.25/.30) very far down range.... in fact, the .30 cal would be pretty well useless past about 20 yds at best.
JSB only makes Two different Pellets in .30 cal and they are both $18.(+tax) for a tin of 150 pellets... you can buy approximately 500 to 1,000 pellets for the same price from most all of the pellet brands available, in .177 & .22 cal. depending on where you're buying them and the brand and type.
Both Predator (JSB) and H&N only offer One type of pellet, each... for the .30 cal.... so you only have a total choice of 4 types of pellets. Your intended use, how frequently you truly intend to shoot, and maximum shooting distance should be what dictates your choice of gun and caliber... not to mention your maximum price point that you can comfortably pay.
I have the HW95 .177 & find it to be a beautifully made rifle. I use it for garden rodent control & even with my cheap Chinese scope it is deadly accurate. Bisley Pest Control pellets pack a lethal punch & the Bisley Superfield are nice all roubders.
Nice to see a good springer review,very professional.
At first glance, I thought the cheaper rifle was the premium one!
I did too.
Buy cheap, buy twice has been my experience. My 97KT STL and HW110 have been brilliant, I've found myself hankering aftera .22 95K lately to dodge the 97's weight! 😁 Alternative though, I'd find it hard to ignore a 99s at Remington money...Great videos, thoroughly enjoy them.
As always very informative. Thank you. I understand being in the U.K. and that sub 12 guns are a priority, but would love to see more in FAC guns. Here in the USA mostly all the sub 12 guns are from the big box stores and quite honestly for the most part are just crap. Like you, I prefer PCPs and most are under a grand.
Another excellent video, Sabre looks better quality in my eyes
Another great comparison and discussion.
Interesting point about reach to the trigger. Like you, I have long fingers. I always found my ProSport rather cramped in that regard. The trigger blade, even adjusted, sat in the crook of rather than on the pad of my finger. I tried a HW95 and it felt as if it had been made for my hand. The reach was perfect for me and I much preferred the broad, flat blade, too (found the AA too skinny). So despite that fact that the AA was a fabulous gun and very accurate, I sold it and now have a couple of 95s. I enjoy your reviews.
Very interesting vid ... Always wondered about a .25 ( sub 12 ) and you don't see many reviews on them , if any , you can get a lighter weight pellet too " assist " in a flatter trajectory ... But that would defeat the object ( well maybe not completely ) a 20grn would be ideal ... Can only see a .25 ( sub 12 ) being beneficial in ( say ) a barn with close quarter rats .. which is excellent .. might , just ! MIGHT , get an NP02 in .25 .. and excellent budget PCP in it's own right ....
Superb review btw ... Keeping it " real " yet again ...
Look at vermin hunters tv,theres a 25, on there cracking bit of kit ,,,well worth your time to watch.
@@leecoomber3877
Watched it , excellent stuff , as is all Si & Davey's vids ...
Once u find the right pellets in that hw95 and a good tune it will be a great gun. I can get 5p groupings at 50 yards with mine and I'm still not happy with that I'm gonna try qyc pellets and will be very happy with them. My barrel will eat them like smarties.
Great video and very informative. I am coming back to shooting air rifles after many years away, just as lead pellets come off the menu. I have decided to buy a rifle and shoot lead-free from the start rather than go through the trauma of leading it and then unleaden it. I have always been a fan of .177 in my previous rifles: Weirauch 97, BSA Super 10, BAS Spitfire and Theoben Sorocco. But due to the lightness of lead-free pellets should I be thinking of a bigger lead-free caliber for more pellet weight/density and hopefully more accuracy? I've been looking at the Weirauch 95 in .25 - that's how I arrived here. Thanks.
The .25 will be more of short range vermin control gun than the .22. More impact energy, larger shock radius and the flight time is reasonably short for sub 35 yards shooting. Nice review and a fair comparison BTW.
I say buy the best (or better in this case), and cry once!
You won't cry if you buy a Weihrauch, top quality gun that will last
Alan Tippett I bought a hw80 shoots like an absolute dog, tried every pellet going. Sent it back had it serviced and tuned still a dog. I understand this is uncharacteristic but still very frustrating
@@TheGameCamer360 I had a hw80 when they first came out in 1980. They have a fair bit of recoil but the weight helps with that. Certainly a gun that needs a lot of bedding in and no good resting on a bag etc. Only accurate to shoot freehand. Maybe the spring needs shortening. I will be doing that to my 99 now that I've polished the piston and correctly lubed the gun. Hope you get the 80 sorted, in my experience they're worth persevering with.
Alan Tippett, I was categorically told by Weihrauch to never polish the piston, it’s mottled purposely to help with grease application. I will soldier on with it, also had major problems with it be over the legal limit, it came out the box running at 18.5 ftps. Which is dreadful really
Thank you Andy.
I guess I got spoiled having bought a second hand BSA Sportsman HV in .22 - yes it is a PCP and it can shoot one inch groups at 100 meters. The pumping up is very good exercise as well.
My first springer was the Webley victor
None of my hw have ever defraud me. My hw are much better tan cometa, gamo and, why not: aa tx200 .177 12fpe. I’ve had all of those brand and i know what i am talking about. Great video.
You can get a second hand 95 with a decent scope for about the £200 mark keep it for 10 years and still get your money back awesome guns.
I love to see the quality UK airguns
I bet he would love to get into scopes and laser pointers and lighthey're pointing to the lights he'd have A-blast this guy is good
the woodwork on the Remington actually looks better than the '95 ..at least from this perspective.
When I was a kid me and mates used to put a couple drop of diesel for a bit more power.
Great video as always
I’ve got the bug, and my next gun will be a pcp around the 500 to 600 quid don’t want to spend anymore cos when I’ve dialled the cost of the compressor, and decent sight it’s gonna be about the same as the gun in cost , was advised on the Waltha RM8 by a few people , so will have to look through your reviews see if you’ve done that one ,, cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
Dive bottle is a cheaper cost than a compressor
If you don't need to have multi-shot an air arms s400 is about £500 new and plenty available s/h. Fantastic gun you'll never grow out of. I've never regretted buying one
Nice work, your efforts are much appreciated.
Brilliant show aggain thank you!
I do smile every morning but peple dont seems to like it (not my problem!)
LOL!
Nice video as usual, Andy.
I’m currently deciding whether to get another springer/gas ram or go down the pcp route.
I’d probably forego the extra shot count for accuracy.
Decisions, decisions. 🤔
Great vid Sir! Always like the comparison vids. I’m bored as heck.....dug up a cheap Crossman pellet gun.......sit in the back yard and plink. Ranges are mostly closed and my Basic membership does not allow much at my club anyway. GBU & your family Andy! Michael in Houston
Very interesting comparison. I own an HW 90 177 had it since 1990 & a Xman Nitro Venom 22 both are good for my usage the HW is the better of the pair in quality & aim. The Nitro has a polycarbonate stock making it feel cheap but it’s quite a well engineered piece of work.
Had a Remington, sold it and bought a HW. Would I go back, nope. Yes its more money but once you've got it it will last a life time.!
I've had a HW77 and 97 and the 80, just sold them and got a new 95, then l had a TX200 and Pro sport, good but l think the German guns are better made, and the Air arms are over priced, the 95 is lightweight just as accurate as the underleavers.
Great videos, thanks mate!
Just got myself a brand new .22 saber for 55 quid. Bargain. It's a beast. Planning to use it to shoot pheasants.
Very good review and comparison.
Excellent as always Andy!
Very well balanced presentation, and a great demonstration of two very credible rifles.
You pay you money and make your choice.
The only factor you did not mention was future residual value and desirability, should a buyer wish to 'upgrade'. Decisions, decisions!!!!
I picked out a low-end .25 Spring-piston Remington VTR .25. I want to see how well it does compared to my high-end rifles. It has a synthetic stock, and basically a junker scope package. On the ranch, it may prove useful as a rifle you can keep outside in the shade while working. If something pops up, you can use a cheaper rifle to eradicate the pest, and leave the nice rifles in the case. I got a slight scratch on a stock once, as the wind came up and slid my rifle a bit where it was leaning. If it turns out to be a horrible rifle, I will return it, or give it to a friend. It was either this rifle or a Hatsan as my choices for a low-cost outside rifle in .25. This rifle says 900fps, but other videos show more of a 650 - 750fps with a variety of ammo. It was on sale for $159.00. It might be decent, who knows until you try it.
The Remington win the looks, price, accuracy and maneuver ability
OK. I own several springers. Most of them very expensive, and very nice to look at. I love walnut stocks. Some are pellet sensitive, some are not. I do not wish to be critical about this video. I applaud your efforts in all things air gun. BUT ( i bet you saw the but coming) I did not see any testing of pellets for each gun. And p.s. the current big buzz is slugs in almost every type of air rifle out there. CAN I SHOOT SLUGS IN MY BUDGET AIR RIFLE WITHOUT GOING ALL IN ON SPECIAL BARRELS AND ALL THAT LOT. I expect that a sub-12-foot pound air rifle will experience more foot-pounds with the use of slug type ammo, but that is just a guess at the present. I have tried the new FXhybrids in a springer and they do work. Anyway...what do you say? take a look at slugs in some of your current inventory and let us know what you think.
Dread Boy I would think that the weight of the slug being the same as the pellet would keep you at sub 12 or less due to the added additional drag cause by more lead contact with the barrel from the slug. I could be wrong but they should be close in FPE. The difference would be down range where the slug would retain its velocity better due to higher BCs. IMHO then again once I thought I was wrong but I was mistaken lol
@@heathhalfhill6867 Slugs are nearly always heavier due to the fact there is little or no cavity just solid lead in most cases, yes there would be more friction to slow them down but you will struggle to keep them below 12ftlb in a gun that's pushing good power with a conventional diablo.
Love this video
Another no nonsense review there good Sir , love 'em
Nice videos
The other thing about hunting with .25 sub12 - 460 fps is slow enough that there is a real risk the prey will react to the sound of the shot and start moving before the pellet arrives
Interesting video content this time Andy,....I always ( well mostly ) try to opt for 'quality and reputation' over low cost when shopping for an Air Rifle, this video is a little off sided
because of the calibers chosen here.
There was mention of the checkering offering more "grip' on the fore stock,...for me, I prefer to use the 'artillery hold' on a springer, so that "grip" will not normally offer much benefit
for the shooter, will it?
The physically longer .25" pellet always retains more energy at every practical hunting range. Impact "effect" depends on pellet weight times impact energy. So a .22" pellet at 15 grains has only three quarters of the impact "effect" of a 20 grain .25" Pellet retaining the same impact energy. Penetration will be good on small game for both calibres. But remember that the .25" pellet will probably retain more energy at any given range so hit with more force. Also if you keep your hunting distance within 30 yards the .25" pellet has a very good trajectory and is the practical equivalent of the .22" pellet. The downside is the bigger pellets are more expensive but very effective. Nice video.
I’ve got both in .22. The sabre I bought myself and the weihrauch was a lovely present from my wife.
Yes the weihrauch has a smoother cycle and feels a better made gun, (mine has a walnut stock) but don’t discount the Sabre it really is a very good gun for the money the scope it comes with is ok, but I bought a second hand 3-9 x 40 and it suits it very well. It is very consistent and accurate.
So if you can’t afford the Weihrauch go the the sabre as it really is good. I’ve had around 2000 pellets through mine and it’s still enjoyable to use. But if you have the extra money then you know what to spend it on.
Typically, Weihrauch springers leave the factory with Beechwood stocks that have a “Walnut” colored stain.
58harwood mine is walnut. It also has stippling on the fore end
Myke ready is it an HW35E?
58harwood I can read. It’s a limited edition H95K with a walnut stock.
Nice! 👍
For 12ftlbI suspect that .25 with any weight of pellet will become a bit loopy which is fine if you are laser ranging and turret dialing but again suspicion leads me to the idea that your lovely turret scope would self destruct with a springer. The latter part is sore experience on a 308 was fine on the springer it lasted about a week