Ep:363 BRILLIANT EXPLANATION OF INSULIN SUPPRESSION - @BENBIKMAN
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2024
- @anthonychaffee @georgiaede @isabellacooper @nicknorwitz. THIS IS A BRILLIANT SCIENCE-BASED EXPLANATION OF INSULIN SUPPRESSION!!! WATCH TILL THE END FOR SOM ONGOING PERPLEXING QUESTIONS. WE ARE LEARNING SO MUCH. Please leave comments.
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What I wouldn’t give to see Dr Cywes do a study where he took blood samples of Dr Saladino, Dr Chaffee, Kelly Hogan, Dr Berry, and a host of other carnivores and omnivores, and compare the results!! I think the analysis would be mind blowing!! Thank you so much Dr Cywes for your relentless pursuit of the science!!
That's a cool idea.
Love this idea!
Paul is the only one that I know of that has shared his blood work... several times.
Except we still don’t even know what’s ideal and neither does Cywes. We’d just be assuming this is better than that but no one knows anything. If I hear another word wasted about cholesterol, I’m done. Stop wasting life and let your body do it’s thing while eating mostly beef and eggs and no/almost no plants. Do what makes you feel best. You have to experiment to do that.
Stop acting like good bloodwork is health. It’s not. I’d say good numbers based on what doctors recommend is actually the opposite of good health.
I'm 100% confused lol
This video is LOADED with information: I’m gonna have to go back and study it. If you haven’t seen his video “When Paul Saladino is right”, go watch it: it’ll help with this one!
It means eat some healthy carbs once in a while. Fruit, honey or milk (raw milk)
@@allenbrost9564not necessarily. It just means that your GLP1 reaction is depressed. So if you stay carnivore it will probably be no problem. But, if you then splurge and eat a double helping of the triple decker chocolate sugar bomb - your body will have a suppressed insulin response and your blood sugar will spike.
As for living in a state of lowered insulin is good or bad…. Dr. Cywes states he doesn’t know.
One thing I have observed as a 2yr carnivore: my insulin sensitivity is very high. So if insulin is suppressed but sensitivity is very high is there a detriment to low insulin; versus higher insulin but less sensitivity?
At 54 I have my strength by 2.5x while on carnivore, so growth does not seem to be a problem on low insulin levels.
@@allenbrost9564 Nope no fruit. Def no honey. Milk or cheese is better
Your willingness to continue to learn and look for answers is incredibly admirable vs being dogmatic. Props to you Rob
I've been on carnivore for 14 months. I'm 55 and the biggest difference I felt besides after going on carnivore was when I added (3 months ago) whole organic milk, kefir milk, sheep kefir milk and whole organic half and half cream fermented with L.Rueteri bacteria (dr. W. Davis recipe). Adding the milk has made the biggest difference and has made my excema dissappear completely!
How much milk are you consuming daily??
@Jayla-dj2gj I usually have a 1/2 cup L.Rueteri yogurt in the morning, a cup of kefir sheep milk or kefir yogurt in the afternoon before diner.
I just got dr Davis’s book, did eating this yogurt slow your weight loss?
Please invite Dr Bikman back on to have a follow-up discussion. I can never decide which of the many channels I follow on low carb/Keto/Carnivore is the most informative; I frequently go back and forth. But most of the time it is this one. Thank you Dr Cywes. Thank you so much for the clarity and honest insights!
I love Dr. Ben Bikman, he is such a good teacher. I also like that he doesn't tout the theory of evolution.
@@adorableadornments1101 That's interesting. What's your source? Provide a link.
Truth be told Bikman has been speaking of this since 2018
" When I eat an oreo cookie I'm eating a whole rack and I'm stealing yours" This made my day! Thank your Dt. Cywes
Believe it Tom
Ben Bikman has said he prefers the term "adaptive glucose sparing" not physiological insulin resistance when one takes in a very low amount of carbs or no carbs. He says true physiological insulin resistance is when one going through puberty or pregnant. He has talked about after 16 hours of fasting the body dumps its reserve of insulin (1st phase response). Which is why a carnivore would see their glucose shoot up dramatically when consuming carbs in addition to the state of adaptive glucose sparing. Then the body kicks in insulin production to deal with the rise in glucose(2nd phase response).
I call it insulin suppression and w can measure it in humans
There is basal insulin release 24 hours a day.
You very nearly tempted me to purchase a bag of donuts and a can of Pepsi to wash down. Relapse avoided this time round
Dr Cywes, thank you for addressing insulin suppression. I have been on a keto diet for several years. Over the last couple of years I have had to exercise to bring my blood sugar down after meals. My fasting glucose has steadily risen. Yesterday, I decided to try your suggestion about drinking milk. This morning my fasting glucose was 137. One hour after drinking a glass of milk with some heavy cream it dropped to 95. For the first time in a long time my body cleared blood sugar without exercise! Again, thank you, God used you to answer my prayers.
I have the exact same issue after 8 years of keto. My BS's are high every day on my CGM. I am going to try the milk thing with cream, like you. Does it take you out of ketosis?
It has not knocked me out of ketosis so far, but I am not really worried about being in ketosis all the time.
@@rikcramptonWell, I tried yogurt before dinner last night and at first there was a spike to 157 and then very quickly I got down to 89. This really works! Do you consume the dairy it every day?
I drink a glass of milk after every meal. The spike lessens after the first couple times.
@@rikcramptonAgreed, it seems better to come out of ketosis from time to time to keep your body metabolically flexible. This seems more ancestrally correct. As humans being mostly carnivorous, we still would have crushed fruit and honey when we found it simply because it tastes delicious.
Wow, I love all the research you and Ben and others are doing and the questions you are asking in response to certain bloodwork markers. I am diabetic II, 64 years old, and having a tough time dropping weight. I followed the mainstream doctors advice for two years and things got worse. Then I started doing research. Found a lot of fake BS but then found people like yourself, Ben Bikman, Ken Berry, Sten Eckberg, Dr Thomas, David Diamond, and many others. Sometimes it can be very confusing. i am not a doctor but do consider myself intelligent. In college, I took a liking to statistics and research, especially ones based on good science, double blind studies, etc. That is why I started questioning the trends in mainstream medicine in conjuntion with the food industry, big pharma, I think in a perfect world where no one is obese, metabolic flexibility is the norm. I mean, even from an evolutionary perspective, our posture, bone structure, even our teeth are built for metabolic flexibilty, eating both natural meats, vegies, and to some degree, dairy. But we live in a different age of excess, pollution, preservatives , chemicals, advertising, psychological, cultural and social influences that greatly effect/affect our health. All contribute. My hell, some food corps are selling chemical processed items that can't even be considered food just to make a buck.... For me, well, I think low carb, fasting, exercise, separating and eating good carbs and fat/proteins at different meals. Good carbs like certain nuts, berries, seeds, etc. Cut out sugar, highly processed foods, oils. I don't think anyone has all the answers but we all work together to put many of the pieces of the puzzle together to form the best possible perspective of the problems we face.
I cannot thank you and the others enough for your efforts and sharing your knowledge to the world. You can't imagine how great ful we are for everything you do. Sorry for the long story just thought you would like to know... We are watching and listening.
I have been carnivore for a few years now and was running out of energy every day like clock work around 5 PM. I started adding a handful of blueberries and a couple strawberries some days and other days I eat a small sweet potatoe. The results are a steady energy level all day and actually have to force myself to go to bed. Also, my cramping has subsided to being almost nonexistent. BTW, I do not ever crave carbs/sugar, I do not have an addiction problem with anything. Addiction doesn't happen (IMO) if you convince yourself life is much better without whatever you are addicted to. Just like being fat for 99% of us, it's simply a choice. I saw an interview with Dr. Chaffee the other day and he said the carnivore/keto diet is used to fix what is broken in the body. Once the body is fixed your body is able to once again process what you eat the correct way. If you continue with just carnivore/keto only it can eventually break the body again. This is where the science is now, just as this video mentions. Yes I get frustrated with all the changes but at the same time am very happy to see all the studies that both verify our new way of life and point out what needs to be added/changed.
We're learning
I agree with everything you said. For me being 99% carnivore for an extended time I started to see my morning fasting glucose be over 100 quite often, which made no sense to me (insulin suppression). I was also cramping like crazy, legs, abs, everything, it was terrible. Adding a few carbs back in has helped the cramping big time. Also blood sugar seems better. Everything still all good. A1C is 4.8 and fasting insulin is 2.9. 10% of your calories from carbs seems like a good thing. BTW, my carbs are raw milk, fruit or honey. Once is a while some potatoes, but that's rare.
This is so very helpful for me! Based on this, I'm going to watch other videos and maybe make a consultation appointment.
Dr. Cywes - Thank you for helping me to understand what's going on. And thank you for all the research you do that creates a better, more accurate understanding of metabolic symptoms.
I’m very curious about insulin suppression and I hope to hear more about it. A video discussion between you and Dr Bikman would be great!
Finally. A video on "insulin suppression." Thanks for the knowledge. Now, if we could find out if it's actually harmful.
Just like the lmhr folks are reporting that high cholesterol is not harmful, maybe high blood sugar from this pathway is also not harmful. But that would mean a1c metrics would be different depending on the diet we consume. Very interesting.
Dr Cywes, want to share a recent experience. Been low carb carnivore for 7 months then shifted to full carnivore now almost 3 months but also in that time felt extreme low energy, so was prompted to buy glucose meter which showed blood glucose never dropping below 120. Then learned HBA1c was 5.9 and some kidney tests were high because of high protein intake. Also urine constantly dark in color.
Then I came across studies on the effects of hydrogen water on diabetes, so I place one drop of food grade H2O2 in 20 oz of water. Low and behold urine is close to clear and showed some ketone levels whereas they were always nil.
Now I found your channel and so trying to figure out where I am on the insulin spectrum. Almost 3 months since last blood work, will go from there and continue to follow your studies
My self perception is that glucose is in my blood but not getting to where it needs to be hence severe low energy while not losing belly fat. I feel like I'm dying at times and when I do get active, am out of breath and recovery can take a week. It's all so confusing
I have been feeding my dogs a carnivore diet for 14 years...no carbs during that time. They are super healthy at 15 and almost 16.
Im thinking thats the route we will go on our next dog. Both of our last two died of tumors/cancer at only 8-9 years of age. Has to be the garbage dog food despite the higher cost ones we would buy.
My dog and cat are raw fed, too. My dog has EPI, it's very difficult to keep her weight up, but her coat is shiny, never had ear issues, only skin issues around the time she was diagnosed with EPI.
@kaitlinjensen Great. I have been feeding homemade raw because it gives me better control over the ingredients and I know exactly what is in it. However, there are better commercial options nowadays.
@Robinhood179 I believe diet is causing health issues in dogs as well as humans. Dogs typically are over vaccinated too. No need for vaccines typically after the puppy shots. And some don't do those either.
my mates tried to keep their cat vegan it died. I mean they thought it was a monster for wanting meat all the time and was getting the protein it needed.
Peanut and soya bean are high in carbs, fat and protein, just like milk.
Incretin analogs stimulate insulin release only when blood glucose is high!!! They also inhibits the break down of insulin.
Love the passion that both you & Ben bring to the table!!
the most useful comment : "I don't know"
Not used often enough particularly by those who clearly don't
@@robertcywes2966I agree.
Wow, this is REALLY helpful for me today. I have a CGM on and my BS's are in the 120's most of the time lately. Been keto for almost 8 years. I must be insulin suppressed. I've heard you lecture on this before, but I am paranoid to ingest too many carbs. But I can see that I need something to clear the sugar. You mention estrogen. My NP recently up-ed my estrogen dosage, so I am wondering about that causing BS spikes. Donated blood 2 days ago....does that affect BS's?? So many questions indeed! I will try the milk and see what happens! Thanks, Dr. Cywes. You are so brilliant and honest. So refreshing in this world that we are in today!
So how do we stimulate a proper insulin response for kidney health (and other systems) if we are carnivore? Simply milk? How much and how often?
Depends on u as an individual. Set up a consult
Im trying to fully understand the argument. So, insulin plays many other important roles other than glucose regulation, so in principle a state where insulin is always low all the time is not ideal. Insulin response to protein only is necessarily very low, because insulin inhibits neoglucogenesis. Neoglucogenesis, generation of glucose from proteins, is essential in this case because it sustains blood glucose levels in absence of dietary carbohydrates. Proteins are then turned into glucose and triglycerides, and blood glucose rises. Without insulin, there is no regulation of neoglucogenesis, and Dr Cywes observes cases of hyperglycemia in strictly carnivore patients, a condition (" insulin suppression ") similar to diabetes except than insulin is very low. He advocates the regular consumption of milk in order to trigger insulin response and reduce blood glucose.
Am i getting it (more or less) right?
What I'm not sure to understand in this picture is why, when glucose rises as a result of neoglucogenesis, the elevated blood glucose doesn't in turn trigger insulin response? A sort of negative feedback.
Correct spelling is GLUCONEOGENESIS. It's the conversation of amino acids and fat into glucose. Breaking down glycogen to glucose is not glucoNEOgenesis.
When blood glucose is low, glucagon is released by the alpha cells of the pancreas triggering glycogen break down and release into blood in the liver. glucoNEOgenesis is minimal in this case. When we are under stress, the adrenals release stress hormones cortisol and epinephrine big time. Stress hormones rapidly increase blood glucose. Chronic systemic inflammation has the same effect.
Thank you for making us think.. once again.🙏🙂
Female 41, healthy overall. Started carnivore 6 months ago; went cold turkey. Quit everything. Felt immediate improvements on immune reactions and digestive symptoms however felt low energy and fatigue, especially muscle.
Decided to eat a few squares of black swiss chocolate with hazelnuts. Lindt.
Wow!! Incredible improvements!! I felt more alert, had more endurance, more resistance, felt happier.
I am lean and don’t struggle with overweight, at all - if anything, im thin. So for me it’s done deal: 50 -70 gr of dark chocolate per day, 25 ish at breakfast and another portion in the afternoon. It’s a game changer. I don’t plan of stopping.
I tried allulose but it bloats me terribly! :( also, can’t tolerate milk nor dairy. My only carb is chocolate 🍫
I have been doing the lion diet/omad for the past 2 years. At 53 i feel more healthier than i was at 23. Thank you dr. Robert C💪🧠🫀🫁🦷🦴👀. I my self will not add carbs, and milk in U.S.A., is made from most of water and sugar😢. Becouse in some states are illigal to sell raw milk in stores😢.
I love it that you continue to ask questions and investigate!
The end game is that the engineering that resulted in the miracle of us may be beyond our full understanding. Reminds me of sorting my investment strategy. 😵💫 Dr. Fung is another great data source. Thanks for what you do!
I’m going to trial carnivore + beets In April.
I've been HFLC for many years, I'm very fat adapted and I fit the description of a LMHR. Last year when I tried to include a good quality reduced lactose whole milk, I enjoyed one glass a day but soon noticed belly fat appeared. When I quit, it shrank again. I don't get how such an immediate response to relatively few carbs could take place.
I am Polish and EN language is not my native tongue, but it is extremely interesting what You are saying, so if I don't understand, I just stop the video, rewind, put on the subtitles and all becomes clear. If I only had time to listen to all your videos and dr Bikman's. Is there any book by You on the subject?
I just found you I find your discussions very informative . Dr bickman I would like to hear I hope you can bring him back and I will try to find him on UA-cam highest regards
Outstanding. Very thought-stimulating. If I could only watch/listen to one channel in the carnivore/keto space, THIS WOULD BE THE ONE. Thank you!
Thanks
YES this is exactly why I got into keto carnivore last year, because parts of my metabolic system were being over/under stressed* by eating the standard western diet. Now that I've offset my lifetime of eating too many carbs too frequently, with a year of strict keto, I'll eat some fruit now and then to keep all of my molecular machinery active and ready. Not that I mix my carbs and fats like saladino, I separate my metabolism cycles with a small fast. Due to concerns of stressing the randal cycle.
I do the same although I eat fermented vegetables and fermented fruits but now only in season! Still not the best stomach but I feel the same so I think I have a stress stomach so that’s my problem! But yeah I do believe in being flexible
There is no issues with the randle cycle in a metabolically healthy person mixing carbs and fats.
I do one glass of milk every morning for that insulin bump, and a handful of strawberries and blueberries after my daily weight-lifting workout for muscle recovery. The rest of the day is meat.
Thank you Dr. Cywes. This perfectly explains what I just saw on my blood test last week. Carnivore for 5 months. Fasting Insulin at 2.6 but I saw a rise in blood glucose and A1c. Cholesterol is way up which I expected but the change in A1c and blood glucose had me confused. Now I understand the reason. I have an excellent local source for raw whole milk and will be adding that to my diet. Bravo for your outstanding work!!
Also, raw milk as so many other great nutrients, so very healthy.
Difficult to understand, but extremely interesting topic.Thanks.
Difficult? Just eat some healthy carbs from time to time. That's it. Fruit, honey, raw milk, maple syrup. Easy.
Brilliant, as usual. Thank you for your curiosity and unabashed honesty!
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Love your honesty.❤
Another brilliant interview, thank you!
I like to watch all the new videos on this topic because I am almost 4 years into carnivore, 22 years passed my menopause and ‘normal’ weight for my height. ( I have limited the plants to heal my years of gut pain rather than lose weight). I did have a spell making and eating my own yogurt from organic whole milk, but had to knock that on the head because it created cravings in me for more and more of my natural yogurt and chocolate!! I like to live without cravings, so the yogurt had to go! I’ve never had blood work done because in the UK it’s not as simple as asking your GP. I will, however, keep a close eye on the science which is clearly still evolving. Thank you
Estrogen receptors in the brain play a crucial role in various functions, including mood regulation, cognition, and memory. They help modulate neurotransmitter activity and synaptic plasticity, contributing to overall brain health and function.
In the brain, the primary estrogen involved is estradiol, which is the most potent and prevalent form of estrogen in the body. It binds to estrogen receptors in the brain and influences various neurological processes.
Leading edge here!
My trig went up on ketovore to 180. My chol went up to 634. My A1C went up. I will try adding whole milk.
Doc, great video as always! When do you think we will get that video on Amylin?
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I wish I was able to assimilate all this amazing info.Thks.
I hope we get better answers to the estrogen receptors and their roles. I recently started on bioidentical hormone replacement after a total hysterectomy 20 years ago. Maybe a long shot for optimal benefits, but already can see benefits in my skin and libido. Age 70 and full of energy and definitely don’t look my age due to carnivore lifestyle!
Which hormones are you taking?
@@marciamakoviecki3295 I take a compounded estrogen/testosterone cream and also progesterone capsules. Blood levels had to be monitored for a couple of months until we got to the correct dosages
Dr Boz was talking about estrogen and the brain not too long ago. Not to put words in her mouth, but from her post I gathered she thinks supplementing with estrogen postmenopausal is worth the small increase in cancer risk.
She even said that transdermal patches of oestrogen don’t even increase risk, if i remember correctly.
And yes it should be started in perimenopause and a coronary calcium score needs to be done before transdermal oestrogen; if scores are negative, oestrogen patches are OK to go
This makes a lot of sense to me. You have brought the issue to my attention and look forward to hearing and learning more on this matter.
considering insulin has other functions, it is interesting to see that it only gets triggered by ingesting carbs.
It doesn’t - stress cortisol listen to Bickman at insulinIQ
I have alway been a heavy whole milk drinker. Working to reduce belly fat for about a year now. Went to low carb except for milk in Feb and have blood work coming up soon. Can't wait to see any numbers change. I'm 66, 6' 2", started about 200lbs, down to 170lbs and down 3" in the belly.
Just know, its going to take 6 months before you get an appointment, so if your current labs need a look, well......
Waiting patiently for my consult in July. Looking forward to it. My BS runs high on Ketovore with little carbs. Great talk Dr. Cywes
Such an interesting talk. I do include dairy in my carnivore diet. I look forward to finding out more. So much to learn! So many questions!
Pretty sure you could just have a nice big bowl of protein once a day to get a healthy insulin spike once a day to get around the issue for a carnivore lifestyle
This is what i understood from Bart Kay
How much do we need to get the spike?? I've heard anything over 30gms at one sitting. Seems a little low.
@@Jayla-dj2gj id assume it would be a omad situation 70-130g ( n=1 )
Dr. Cywes I am carnivore with some dairy. I train powerlifting 7 days a week and I include a 4-5k run after each lifting session (total 1.5-2hrs exercise per day). My hypothesis is that my insulin needs are less because of zero carb intake and high amount of physical activity. My body is not occupied with lowering glucose due to carb intake. Therefore, I produce proper levels during gluconeogenesis. And, I hypothesize that this is healthy.
from personal experience i can confirm this. on a strict keto diet, i need some high GI carbs (50-75g) at least once a week, or my performance and recovery will degrade. however, if i ate the same amount daily, i would simply gain fat and lose focus and performance. in conclusion, regular insulin spikes yes, but probably not needed daily, except if you train above zone 2 regularly.
Hello from East Tx===Go Carnivore for LIFE!!!===Marvin
Hello from West Louisiana
How often should I add milk ?
(Every day, week or month)
Is the cephalic response some people experience from artificial sweeteners or even smelling or seeing certain foods going to create the same effect, without the calories?
This was a great video. Brings up a lot of things to ponder. I was wondering if you have ever heard of The Milk Cure by Dr. Charles Porter? He claimed he even knew some people who lived exclusively on raw milk for years and were in great health. What are your thoughts on this?
Do this research while taking quality Berberine and R lipoic acid.
Dear Doctor, will a carnivore diet damage the pancreas? Thank you much!
Great video. Would consuming a small amount of full fat milk daily as part of carnivore (beef + salt + eggs) allow a pregnant woman to "pass" oral glucose tolerance test (ie/ avoid the state of insulin suppression).
What other functions does insulin do besides taking sugar out of the blood stream?
Would greek yoghurt be enough?
If you eat raw meat within 24 hours there is still glycogen in it, so hence carnivore animals, like cats and lions, should be getting carbs. Not many talk about this.
My fasting insulin has been 6 for years but recently my cardiologist put me on Ezetimibe and last blood test insulin was 9
No change in diet, LDL came down and I must say my digestion and bowel movements better as more fat goes through.
Any thoughts why insulin would increase?
What is a non addictive carbohydrate?
Not quite the top shelf stuff from Dr Cywes, this podcast however is going to make me research insulin responses, I thought there was an insulin response to all nutrients, (proteins, carbohydrates and fats) although the responses are at different rates and periods of time, I always thought insulin suppression was a myth. Thank you Rob Cywes for increasing my curiosity. 👍🥩😎
good because stopping and thinking you've got it all figured out is hubris and childish
How does it all work for those with"reactive hypoglycemia".... over responding to carbs and sugar basically, getting hypoglycemic after any meal. I am sure there are so many of us out these diagnosed or undiagnosed. I look skinny and healthy but I have %40 fat and I exercise, eat "healthy unprocessed , non-gmo food "...How do you control such out of ways insulin response???
So Glut2 goes in both directions and does not need insulin. It's used in the gut to absorb glucose. But could also reverse flow to feed gut fauna. A higher blood level might be required in the absence of any carbs in the gut.
I mainly consume meat, dairy and fruit occasionally as desert. My fasting insulin 2 weeks ago was
i take hrt to maintain everything else in my body, its essential to all the organs and with almost 40 years to go lets put all the chances on my side.
I heard Dr. Ben say that if you are very low carb, just take a dose of glucose 6 hours before you take the Kraft, and you will get good results on your Kraft test. Does this make sense in the context of this discussion?
Would it be possible to trigger insulin for Steve Smith with a couple swallows of milk/cream in the morning and maybe get off the gluburide?
How did you prove " insulin suppression" is a problem? Are you treating patient symptoms or just the labs? The last guy you told to add carbs had no symptoms and was healthy per your assessment. Do you have new reference ranges for carrnivores? What about exercise increasing blood sugar and insulin?
I would love to add milk but historically I have been unable to tolerate it. I may try it again at some point but I sure am enjoying not having digestive problems.
try raw milk, the difference is amazing.
@allenbrost9564 I have tried raw A2 cow milk in the past and I had problems. However, I was eating many other things at the time so hard to tell if the milk was the issue. I hope to try it again now that things have settled down.
I’m eating milk cheese yoghurt, butter and cream with my carnivore. I’m confused by this video, so am I doing the correct thing?
Will share my reply to your email for public interested. Must say... not sold yet... and pretty obvious how we could test your Oreo Vs Statin theory, but I think your hypothesis might be insufficient ;)...
Rob, thanks for the kind words. I must admit I remain skeptical about the pattern you're observing: the en mass transition of LMHR phenotype to a hyper-triglyceridemic phenotype. A while back you mentioned this and offered to share the dataset with Dave, Adrian and I (cced), but I don’t believe we ever saw those data, nor have I seen anything like these “insulin suppression lipid changes.”
If you’d like to share or publish, I’d be interested because it’s not something we’re seeing. So one needs to wonder why until the findings are confirmed or data are accessible to those in this group.
Or, personal question... if we want to focus in on an example, how come my TG remains sub 50 even though I’ve had Carbs as ~2% kCal for 5 years? When will I become hyperTG?
FWIW, My insulin is ~3, even after 16 Days of Oreos. If you want to Rx me some glargine or GLP1-RA or just ship it, you know I'd do a 3rd arm, but I don't think you're going to see a 71% LDL-C drop. There are no literature to my awareness that postprandial insulin responses could impact LDL-C levels to such a degree in a manner independent of the LEM and hepatic glycogen stores. So, again, I think "insulin suppression" is insufficient to explain the results I'm seeing that are better explained by other physiology.
Around 7 minutes you talk about hyperTG because of increased intake of “excess lean protein.” Not sure why the emphasis is on "lean protein" or who here is advocating for a PE style carnivore diet. I certainly am not. Let Ted keep his Whey-coated boiled chicken breast TYVM.
Personally, I don’t see a strong case here for pathological insulin suppression at this timeIf you publish/share data, I’m happy to re-evaluate.
If you have access, I’d like to see what insulin response curves you have on keto-adapted patients challenged with proteins or carbs. Glucagon/insulin ratio and GLP-1 responses would be even better, if you’ve really done all those tests. From how you speak, it sounds like you have those data. Otherwise, there are a lot of assumptions built into this insulin suppression idea.
A few small correction points:
- Low-carb diets actually increase GLP-1 (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22669333/)
- Proteins can increase GLP-1, including Whey. Also allulose, which is largely non-caloric, in a manner that appears to involve the Vagus nerve. Topic for another time. (www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02488-y)
I’m a 3rd year medical student btw.
And, on milk… cool new nature metabolism paper on LCT gene and diabetes (ua-cam.com/video/427ryaFko_E/v-deo.htmlsi=EBkxj0fGZP-iTREc ; www.nature.com/articles/s42255-023-00961-1)
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I have been carnivore for 6 weeks now and doing well. I have found the information on your channel, so helpful! Would you recommend adding some vegetables with carbohydrates such as asparagus or avocados? I am unfortunately lactose intolerant or I would add some milk.
Raw milk has lactase. I'm not a doctor but I personally think you should try and eat vegetables that you can tolerate; or some fruit and honey from time to time. Just my two cents.
@@johnfoster2584 Thanks! Veggies were my thoughts since I love to garden and have a beautiful asparagus bed that is about to start producing. I don’t tolerate honey very well either unfortunately.
my source of carbs come from turkey bacon about 8 pcs 8 net carbs
Dr. Cywes, I wonder about the estrogen thing. Women need extra estrogen in their child birthing years. It is obviously a requisite for growing babies.
Their estrogen levels drop in menopause and it creates havoc in a body geared for higher levels of estrogen.
However, women typically (statistically) live longer than men. Is high estrogen detrimental to long life so the body cuts estrogen production once out of the reproductive years? Is estrogen replacement good or bad for length of life? As you said, so fascinating, so many questions.
Just straight up milk? Or something like cottage cheese?
Dr. Cywes , if you are not already familiar with her work, I think you would enjoy the work of Lisa Mosconi, a neuroscientist who talks about menopause being a neurologically active state. She discusses how the ovaries and brain communicate with each other every day of a woman’s life. And the 30% decrease in brain energy that often happens to women after menopause. She also believes this is an important reason why Alzheimer’s is much more common in women.
I need to look her up. I’m 60 & never been on any hormone replacements. I’ve always felt like God don’t make junk & he knew what he was doing. I never had any of the menopausal symptoms like hot flashes etc. I don’t think any of my relatives were ever on them either & they all lived to their mid 90’s. But I’m gonna check out the lady you mentioned.
Can you watch dr nagra a vegan doc and make a video on it especially the one witj chaffee seemed like he had some good points
Regarding the hormones after menopause, Dr Elizabeth Bright says that is one of the reasons to be eating fat, as that is where they come from. She's sailed thru menopause .... hmmmmm
This is exactly what is happening to me 😢😢😢 low carb purgatory. It's horrible but what do you mean they are dying? Exhausted yes but hopefully I am not dying
Do you need to do the trigger with the milk if you’re obese? Like me
I feel awful? Wow if this is awful then I’d love to see feeling good. Best I’ve ever felt. Got the zest back.
it will catch up to you, just like chronic caffeine use over time
Domestic cats around the world are eating mostly carbs from grains and peas…and seed oils. All from their ultra processed dry bag cat food. I have not been able to find a grain free AND PEA free dry cat food for my cats, so I’ve just been cooking whole chickens in the slow cooker for 2 days and they get all of that nice gelatin and the small bones have softened so they are not dangerous. I add fresh egg yolk, sometimes Taurine powder plus krill oil or wild caught salmon for all of their nutritional needs.
Feed raw, and they can have raw bones, like chicken wings.
My cat eats raw, a mix of various proteins made at a local pet food processing plant.
Cats and others carnivores are mostly eating fresh killed meat, with almost intact glycogen.
What about vultures?
@@robertcywes2966 If the meat they eat is fresh enough, it contains glycogen. If the meat is "old" enough, the fermentation process convert some amino acids into carbs.
@@robertcywes2966 The only carnivore diet with near-to-0 carbs is the modern carnivore diet. That's because we are carefully controlling the rigor mortis process (turning glycogen into lactate) for a tender meat, and we then immediatly refrigerate the meat, cutting the fermentation process.
@@revolutionancestraleIf you eat raw meat within 24 hours there is still glycogen in it, so hence carnivore animals, like cats and lions, should be getting carbs. Not many talk about this.
@@allenbrost9564 Yes. Glycogen can last for longer than 24h, especially in cold climate. Under extreme cold, the glycogen is almost completely preserved.
i never removed dairy when i stated low carb. i drink 600mls of milk and eat 250 grams of full fat greek yoghurt every day. aside from.that its beef fish eggs and about 50 grams of berries . ldl is high hdl moderate. triglycerides low. urea high a1c moderate ..bgl low. all checked am fasted . im confused by this video but will stay on this path for now because i do feel well and fitness is excellent for my standards .
So now being low carb/carnivore and having sugar in your blood from gluconeogenesis is equal to being type 1 diabetic!???
Estrogen has a much wider role than sexuality but how does estrogen dominance in males affect the overall body system in terms of its influence on health/sickness?
When does it become a problem? after a few months of strict keto, year, two years?
I listened to dr. Seyfried recently and he said the kids on keto therapy who liked to eat all that fat fared worse than those who didn't. For the same reason, they were getting insulin resistant.
There are people doing this for 10+ years without any problem whatsoever. Dr Cywes is just sharing a theory here. Nothing else. There is no real science showing that this is an actual problem.
Dr. Cywes, what is your take on Dr. Bikmans view of utilizing Allulose for GLP-1?
Beware of blood pressure increases with Allulose, due to osmosis because of unmetabolized high allulose concentration in the bloodstream. Which won't show up on a glucose monitor, Allulose being almost fructose not glucose.
Glucose is released when psychologically stressed and or with HIIT workouts. Would that not be sufficient to have insulin be released? I know when I train my glucose raises 10-20 points and thrn comes back to normal typically within 30 min after.
I am curious about other historical tribes who didnt drink milk?
But do you know what happens to your insulin?! Are you monitoring your insulin too? I bet you aren’t.
Dr Cywes is saying that stomach stimulation by carbs is what actually triggers insulin release, not anything else. The stomach needs to taste carbs to release Gpl1 and incretins which are fundamental for insulin release, which in turn goes around boosting the metabolism.
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql I have used a CGM several times. I have been getting my fasting insulin tested over last 2yrs which on avg. is 5.0. I hear what he is saying. Still not sure about dose, frequency, etc.
My last 2yrs avg of fasting insulin is 5.0. I have used CGM several times.
I still wonder on dose and frequency of raw milk? Hmmm.
Also this would suggest that carbs are an essential requirement for humans. Not sure I embrace that l, at least not yet.
Ok so raw milk..... Frequency? Dose? What macros might look like for that meal? 🤔
One or two cups a day.