Your premise totally depends on your environment. Backpacking in the Rockies even during summer you want more warmth at night. In the desert you want more fabric that come up at least a foot to help prevent sand going right through the mesh. I have used mesh tents in the desert on windy night and the next morning there was tons of sand in the tent. Air flow is super important in warm/hot weather but in cooler environment you might not want the additional air flow.
Likewise. Over here in the UK, a "three season" tent that is made of mostly mesh is going to be totally unsuitable for two of those three seasons, and the tent that is a 100% fabric inner is perfectly okay in the summer. Of course, we have rather less desert, and quite a lot more rain.
Exactly, I live in northern Minnesota and have never had a tent that was all mesh yet the number of times that I wished it was warmer far exceeds the number of times that I was too warm when camping. This guy likes to pretend he is some sort of expert because he goes camping. I guess that makes me an expert too since I have been doing the same for much longer than he has lol
@@saber1able Like that time he blasted a Fire Maple (jetboil clone) stove for not boiling water in the manufacturers stated time frame. He in all his wisdom decided to use a steel kettle instead of the actual pot it came with. Even contacted FM to complain, who sent a replacement and he still used a kettle for the video.
The only tent I’ve tried after owning dozens that works year round is the Nemo Kunai. It has some of the warmer inner but it also has tons of big vents to open for air. Can’t recommend it enough. I’m in Oregon btw
I have the Duston X-mid Pro 1 for backpacking, but for camping you can't beat the price of the Walmart Tents. I bought the 39 dollar 4 person Ozark Trail Clip and Camp tent last year and it has never leaked with months of use, so I bought the 6 person one this year, used a hose on it, and left it out in a thunderstorm, and it hasn't leaked either. Love these cheap tents. Can't beat them.
Thanks for these tips man. Where I live in Texas, we are currently a few days after Christmas and it is still not getting below 60 degrees at night. When the summer hits, there is NO WAY I'm sleeping in a fabric tent like you've explained. Thanks for the heads up.
Here in the Bay Area, humidity isn't a big concern in summer. In summer the temperature can drop and winds can pick up and you get cold, and this is especially true in some of the coastal campgrounds. This is why locally I like having my rain fly lower to the ground. In other areas, I would adjust accordingly.
For me, where I live, only a 4 season tent makes sense. In a good tunnel tent from the likes of Hilleberg & Fjällraven, I’ve had zero issues for them being too hot. With 2 big vestibules you can have excellent air flow by keeping both end basically open for airflow but still keep the bugs out
Rough crowd today... Luke, you may be missing this one some. I've been camping and backpacking since 1965-ish. I seen a LOT of changes and ideas come along in 60 years. One man's needs vs another's is going to differ greatly... as we all know and understand. If your point is, be careful about marketing BS, you are right. But trying to put more into one "camp" importance over the other may not work this time. At best, most tents are sold to keep bugs away, give a false sense of security and offer a bit of privacy. Whether it offers much else is going to depend on the 5 W's of who, what, where, why and WOW that looks cool factor. Certainly there are plenty of JUNK equipment on the market... and over the years you've help many of us with solid buying choices. And I believe you are trying to help many of us understand how this all breaks down and what to look for our best value for our spending dollars. So, with that I thank you. Keep the honest reviews coming, but... BUT be careful out here in UA-cam land, as you know, there's plenty to be concerned of when it comes to people's attitudes and opinions.
In the uk we’re screwed, I don’t think there is a tent that can do everything, but our weather can. In less than the space of a week we can have torrential rain, heatwaves and possibly snow. We just have to pick a tent and hope for the best.
In the space of a week? Heck, we can get that lot in the space of a day!| And "pitch inner first" tents are mostly useless here IMO; you're going to be pitching and/or packing away in the rain even in the summer.
Weather can be super variable where I backpack too. I just got back from an overnight trip yesterday. The overnight low was freezing, and the daytime high was 70F. I experienced a little rain, but no snow. Ive also been on single day hikes where I was in full white out blizzard conditions and 65F sunny conditions within the space of 4 hours. Mountains can have huge temperature flux, and the mountains I backpack in can have extreme microclimates.
That's why I look for functionality. A fabric door that has a 100% mesh option purchased s ideal. I find I can usually create a few cm gap from fly to grass. Also, I have bag and sleep lad options. The UK requires flexibility.
In the California mountains, we try to set up in the shade as it does get rather warm in the summer. Humidity and warm nights are really not something we have to deal with (above 7000 ft). My Gazelle T4 seems to offer the best combination of widows, vents and fabric for my needs. It seals up quite well for rain, wind and sand. It also offers plenty of ventilation and air flow when needed.
After camping in a tent made before the turn of the century in a heavy rain, I decided to buy a new tent. I am on my sixth tent. I wish I had seen this video at the beginning of the search. Thank God for Amazon’s 30 day return. I’m surprised you didn’t mention taped seams on the flys or hydrostatic ratings. Being cool in a tent is important, but staying dry is also important, especially if using down sleeping gear. Love the videos. I have learned a lot. FYI: The Teton 4p Mountain Ultra was one of my six. I only wish it was taller. My old joints prefer not crawling in and out and being bent over. I looked at their car camping tent which has a higher inside height, but the rain fly does not fully shield the sides of the tent. Fingers crossed the last tent holds up in the rain forecast for later today. My neighbors must think I have lost it with the revolving display of tents in the backyard.
Thanks Luke! Very concise explanation of what to watch out for in a summer tent that needs good airflow for hot and humid conditions. People that don't need that much mesh have more options and fabric-rich tents.
Decathlon "fresh & Black" tents are great for summertime ,and ....cheap !! Bit on the heavy side so not recommended for backpacking..... but for family camping these are great. Combine it with one of their tarp setups (tarp , adjustable lines and poles plus stakes) and you got a decent family camping setup for a very low cost. (less than 150 bucks) we had these tents setup year round for testing and they can take quite the beating and not fail.(mh100 3p , mh100 2p , mh100 3p fresh & Black) though the non fresh and black tents are better in snowy/cold conditions for obvious reasons . Highly recommended if you are on a budget !!!
What you say makes sense. However where I camp, Northern Wisconsin and UP Michigan, I am more often trying to stay warm at night even in the summer. I deal with this by having a second rainfly I fashioned to block off a lot of that mesh for those times when I am trying to stay warm. I wish they made a tent for this scenario of some nights being very hot and others being cold both within the same camping trip.
This was really great information, Luke. Thank you for informing us and teaching us. I have bought so many products based on your opinions over the years and you have never steered me wrong yet. You are amazing. It was nice to see Suzie in the last video as well, cheers my friend
if you are only looking for a summer tent not the 3 seasons tent, you might take this dude's recommendation. It is more important to know the conditions of your camping trip. I personally prefer to have a three season tent with mix of mesh and fabric, but it still has the good air flow with big meshed windows. it cools down more efficiently than those full mesh body and a tarp cover without any windows. it is much more practical and adaptive on most of circumstances, cold, warm, hot, rainy days. I use gazelle t4 tent, it is a three season tent with mesh and fabric combined. it works very well under pretty much every conditions. I used it even when 2021 heat dome in Canada, I used it at the winter time, it worked so nice.
I like my gazelle tent when car camping and aside from an old pyramid and teepee tent I like for mountaineering is the only single wall tent I purchased or even considered purchasing as it’s a hybrid. Single wall tents just suck and mail y only appeal to weekend warriors , new or inexperienced campers or ultra light gram weenies that drill holes in there toothbrushes to save .0061 grams
Mesh is so important! I used to hate camping when I was younger because I would sweat all night, be cold in the morning and invariably catch a cold. When I bought my tent 5 years ago I was a bit scared I would be cold at night since there tent was practically all mesh. Nope. Never slept better outside. Game changer for me.
Thanks to your previous reviews. The Grey 4 person tent was sold out, so I ordered a Grey, TETON Sports Mountain Ultra Tents - 3 Person Backpacking Tent & the TETON Sports Mountain Ultra 3 Footprint; Waterproof Tar, for $205, it should be here in 4 more days. I'm putting it in my Motorcycle tow behind trailer, when I go on a camping trip with my 2023 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Trike.
I recently ordered the three person version as well but in that orange/red color.. got it home and set it up in the living room. It's a damn palace! Nice and big but packs down small enough (for your bike... Not so much for backpacking).. no loose threads, and simple to set up. You will very much enjoy it! I can't wait for my next camping trip so I can use mine for the first time
@@Zack-Hates-UA-cam Thanks for the Palace info, I agree with you I wouldn't be backpacking this thing around at my age (69). I wanted a light colored tent, the grey one was the lightest color, light colors are cooler in the summer, its going to be in the triple digits Fahrenheit soon. My young girlfriend & I are both North of 200 lbs so I wanted a tent that was big, the 88"L x 75"W x 49"H size sounded great for us, I will see, but I don't think we needed the 4 person tent.
Cant beat a good old fashioned quality canvas tent, cooler in summer, warmer in winter and waterproof, they can be a bit heavy but you will always be comfortable. I grew up camping from the 70's and no tent I have ever owned could hold a candle to quality canvas fabric tents, you just have to be bothered with a little extra work but its camping and putting up a tent is part of the adventure.
I absolutely love canvas for car camping but I haven’t found anything practical for backpacking. Even simply shelter half style canvas tents come in around 12 lbs. I have a canvas polish lavvu which I like and that’s 8lbs, but it’s not wide enough for me to comfortable lay down and I’m only 6’ tall
@@charliemcdowell5231 Yes sadly canvas is impracticable for hiking and you don't see a lot of smaller ones that are light weight, I guess I should have been more specific in my comment as I was more referring to camp-sight or drive in camping with my family in large tents that take a family to put up lol . That said my uncle camped, hiked alone some times and he had a small canvas tarp he would put up over a very light weight mesh tent. Thanks for sharing with me.
If I had to sleep outside I would use a yurt with open sides or if I wanted something portable then I've found a lightweight camping bed/hammock with a flysheet and tarp to be the best answer, that way I'm cool, dry and not bothered by insects.
Great video Luke, in addition to this one, would it be possible a video dedicated to the different materials just to have a better idea what is what. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us newbies.
Last week i camp in Bucegi Mountains (Romania) .The temp was around +2'C (around -3'C real feel). It all depends on the location you use the tent.I doo agree on the "more mesh" part since it makes the condensation manageable and the tent lighter.I also just LOVE tents with the poles on the outside for quick set-up.
This is perfect for East Texas. 91* F, 57% humidity, feels like 102*F. At midnight it is still 81*F. Even a little more sketchy in the The Big Thicket National Preserve : 113000 acres of diversity : a transition zone between 4 distinct vegetation types - moist eastern hardwood forest , southwestern desert , southeastern swamp and the central prairies.
I have a naturehike cloud up 2, but would love if the walls was further apart, like the Big agnes C-bar 2 tent. Because the inner wall in the cloup up 2 isn't able to be fastened to the outer wall. :(
"It is really up to you to choose the right tent for you" That just about summed up this video in one sentence, without the padding. Most people dont just buy the first tent they see. They do the research based on what works for them and based on a range of factors, including price. Thats why there is no perfect tent whatever the season. We are all individuals.
Another tent I am impressed with, though heavier, is the North Face Storm Break 2 two person tent. Durable, strong in winds, and great ventilation also.
I am surprised by how much you are hammering the mesh thing lately. I'm not saying full mesh tent is a bad idea, but I personally hate the breeze while I'm sleeping. I had this kind of tent and I was miserable to the point I started throwing forest cover around the tent. On the other hand, in summer late-day storms/rain are a normal thing, and you recommend tents not designed to pitch while raining. I get that for some reason this doesn't matter to you, so please notice, those are not simple black&white topics - use and preferences matter. This is still my favorite, gear review channel, keep up the good work, but please try to consider other points of views sometimes.
100% Luke has been on a high horse lately and is starting to act like he's the definitive expert over ALL these tent companies when he's just a guy making videos in the woods.
Great review loved vary educational now I no what to buy this summer been waiting for this review hope you and susie are doing well take care Gary Liverpool
Luke, you made the point regarding air flow under the rain fly verses the wall construction. If you have a 5” gap below the rain fly but the bathtub floor is 5” high, how much air flow are you actually getting if it’s the same?
Luke: The LightHeart Gear So Long 6 tent has worked great for me for all three seasons. American made in North Carolina. You need to do a deep dive review on this tent, or one of their other various models. You will be surprised how sturdy it is in winds, light enough for backpacking, plenty of room inside, and lots of ventilation options when needed.
👏👏👏...GREAT...👏👏👏 This is probably one of the best videos of the channel. 🤔...Now I'd like to hear your opinions and experience about aluminum and fiberglass tent poles. Which temperature range does fiberglass works fine. How do you fix both materials in case of breaking. And what's your advice and suggestions about that topic and tha whole tent world in general... like pros and cons of single wall or double wall... etc...👍
The companies aren't misleading anyone. This has nothing to do with duping customers. It would be impractical to make and market a different tent for every season, so it makes sense to split designs into two categories: winter and non-winter, or put differently, four season and three season tents. Yes, some three season tents will be hotter than others in the summer, but that shouldn't be surprising considering you're going to be hot camping the summer no matter what you do, unless you're out west at high elevation. There's no tent that's going to make you comfortable camping in 90 degree heat with 90% humidity. At that point, there are only gradations of miserable. Being hot in a three season tent is not as consequential as taking a flimsy tent winter camping when heavy snowfall is expected - which is why most tent companies have a separate category for winter tents, but not a separate category for summer tents. This is why summer is lumped in with spring and fall and given the name "three season tent."
@@stephenflynn7600 I’m not sure what this is even supposed to mean. It’s like you’re suggesting that I must defer to his opinion. Read my post again, that’s about all I can say.
@@BacktotheOutdoors I agree with you, there are different tents for everybody I personally like some fabric, not just mesh; I also like the rain fly to sit lower so animals are not lifting the fly so much with their nose. There are so many factors to consider... weather, season, location, price, weight, etc. Hell, temps fall below 70F and my wife is grabbing a sweater. There are no absolutes, you must find what works for you and your family. Im not sure where my knowledge compares with the author of the video, but I know what my family and I demand from a tent.
It's exactly like how all-season tires are really 3-season tires and winter tires are the only thing that is appropriate for the (cold climate) winter.
Agreed. I spent spring looking for a new car camping tent. Gave me such a headache. I'm in Wisconsin. Spring can have 4 seasons in one day, summer is hot, humid and stormy, fall is usually nice, and winter is winter. Finally decided I wanted to stand up in my tent, have decent coverage rain fly, and good ventilation. My tent of choice ended up being a Nemo Aurora Highrise 4p. Would I take that tent out mid fall to the end of April? No way. You also won't catch me camping in the winter. Too cold.
I live in the south and really wish I had this information when I was tent shopping years ago. I bought a 2 person tent with the high non-mesh sides and I just cannot go camping in summer because the tent retains too much heat and has no airflow. You just lay there and sweat all night long. Its great in spring and fall otherwise, so that's the only time I consider camping anymore. Thanks for the info for the folks who might still be tent shopping Luke, don't make my mistake folks! I will need to buy a new tent eventually that is summer-specific.
The only flaw in your assessment is environment. Some of these tents will function better or worst depending on the environment despite the season. Humidity is definitely a big factor.
Considering the sole purpose of a tent is to protect you from the environment you're basically saying that the only flaw in his argument is his logic. "The only flaw in your airplane is that it doesn't fly." 🤣🤣🤣
@@toolbaggers Mesh doesn't protect you as well, though. Rain can splash up through it, wind can blow right over you, and sand can enter. The tent with less mesh will obviously protect better in those situations, which aren't uncommon by any means.
In all countries I even had been, there was still an at least tiny chance for a small rain fall also at night. So I wouldn't never ever sleep in a tent, without any kind of rain protection. If I'd need a tent for very, very warm conditions an so a very good airflow, I suggest changing to a tarp build. But I totally agree that the companies lie to us customers all the time: only my Decathlon tent really has the specifications they claimed. Every other tent I've ever bought wasn't exactly like they told it to be, if it was either the weight, the size, color or build quality over all. And we don't wanna talk bout e.g. how many tent stakes I have tested, just because even those so-called mountain stakes bent or broke in the areas I'm in most.
The Bedouins have used tents for thousands of years. And the ones I've seen are 100% fabric. But they set them up to suit the environment they found themselves in at the time. The one constant is a full back wall and roof. In the desert you want SHADE. And lots of space inside. I have and have used a Cabela's Outback Lodge 6 man tent almost year round. A cot gets my head higher, and with all the fabric panels open it's liveable. But there's no way I'm going to let the sun beat down into my living space all day. I've also got a nice cheap tarp for pickin and grinnin.
When I was a kid my dad bought a Ted Williams 10X16 canvas tent from Sears. Family of six. We went camping and pretty much enjoyed it. I feel that Luke’s ongoing rants about how bad various tents suck may steer people away from camping. There is a chance that it’s going to rain, it’s going to be hot, it might get cold. All part of camping. As others have pointed out it that it depends on your location in the world. Humidity, heat, cold, wind. In addition how can you have a tent that has fantastic ventilation that does not leak? On the other hand how can you have a tent that is totally waterproof that has adequate ventilation? How about using a tarp setup? Sleeping in a tent is not always going to be comfortable. Realize that before you camp out. You might be better off sitting around the campfire in your backyard with friends or family then heading back into your air conditioned or heated home and getting a good night’s rest in your bed. Rent a cabin with beds. Get a hotel room. It all depends on the level of comfort that you desire.
Just to add another environmental factor to consider, while on a west coast motorcycle trip I had a number of foggy mournings where the fog soaked the entire inside of my North Face three person tent because of the three inch gap between the rain fly and the ground. I was literally swimming in 40 degree water and would have rather had zipper panels for ventilation than an open bottom tent.
Luke - Aldi in the US has released a large line of camping products recently similar to products you've worn or used camp blankets, sleeping bags, sleep pads, etc. Would you consider doing a budget review of those products?
I haven't had a chance to use the teton tent you have featured in this video, but I own it. I bought it based on my impressions from your first video on it. I don't know how it will come out in the final review, but it seems pretty solid to me. Looking forward to the review.
Ahhh, case in point Luke, look at the newest MSR Hubba Hubba. It now looks like the MSR Elixir. I own a 2016 Hubba Hubba and an Elixir. I would never take the Elixir for temps over 45f. Check out the differences. MSR blew it in my opinion.
In summer pitch your tent in the shade. No rain forecast - keep the fly open or off for max airflow. If the temps are going to drop, bring the right sleeping bag.
Look my Teton tents so much I bought three, the only thing I didn’t like is the color, wish it was earth tone or camo instead of red or glow in the dark white
Yeah, their color selection leaves a LOT to be desired, but maybe that's part of how they keep the cost down, too. I'm not sure what a coyote brown or forest green rainfly would cost in material production compared to the yellow/red/grey color of the Mountain Ultras. Otherwise, that model is fantastic for a summer tent in warm/moderate climates--good size vestibules, plenty of ventilation, and really good quality control for the price.
Luke the "heat" you go on about is warm or hot air. As you probably know, warm or hot air rises and condensation occurs when it meets cooler air. Apologies for being pedantic but accuracy is everything when explaining physics in your reviews. Just saying!
I think what he says is generally true, although there are exceptions. I had a Skycape Trekker tent from Six Moons Designs and in fact I still have it. I don’t backpack much anymore but I used it for years in Northern California along the coast and in the Sierra Mtns. The inner was mostly mesh and most nights if it wasn’t going to rain I didn’t put the fly on because I sleep warm and always had a good sleeping bag and pad. Sometimes a little sand would blow in through the mesh so it was a trade off between dirt and heat not putting the fly on. My friends used to kid me and say why don’t you put the fly on so Bigfoot can’t see you and I replied I don’t want to scare him off.
Thanks Luke i like the teton sports but im worried that even in warm conditions the full mesh maybe too much when temps drop at night in the uk? So what would be a better option? Or is the teton going to work?
These example are only useful if you live in mild to warm climates that don't go near freezing temperatures, and full mesh tents are impractical for most regions where the temperatures can drop suddenly in the evenings, even in their respected summer times.
It also depends on the customer as well, they may want or need a tent that is more fabric than mesh like your second option. The reasons could be health related or who knows what else.
Hey, Luke. Is there any way that you can list a few types of the products that you test, such as tents the way that "Consumer Reports" does? Listing waterproofness, price, quality, dimensions, etc. I've watched many of your reviews and bought accordingly. I've never been disappointed. I thank you for your consideration. Stay safe my Friend.
There’s a tent for every scenario. Only fools use one tent all year around. Reminds me that I’ve used the Lanshan 2pro for the last 13 months in any area in any weather. I never rely on a tent to keep me warm. That would result in excessive condensation inside my tent
"here we have the poor performing summer tent and the good performing summer tent.. 3 season tents in other words" that quote from 7:00 is exactly what is wrong with this video. I've never seen a "Summertime Tent" label on any tent. You're lumping everything with the label "3 season" into a tiny box that doesn't exist and blaming the companies and accusing them of putting fabric on there just to make a profit when I'm 100% sure there are tons of people who use similar tents to the "poor performing" one in summertime with no issues.
Luke what kind mosquito repellent that you use? I can't remember I think it starts with the Letter P I hate seem dumb but if you can tell me I really would appreciate it, thank you.
Hey, I live in southern louisiana (hot, humid, rainy weather) and I’m new to camping lol. I’m trying to decide between the Teton Mountain Ultra 2 person tent and the Naturehike Mongar 2 person tent. The weight of the Teton (7lbs) is my only concern because I do intend on backpacking soon as well. From what I can tell, other than weight, they are pretty much the same tent. I’ve heard wonderful things about both companies, but I have seen some negative thoughts on Naturehike’s product durability. Any advice?
Their durability is okay *if* you get a good one. Their quality control is slack, they don't honor their warranties and they don't have replacement parts even if you wanted to buy them nor do they make repairs. Because they don't have replacement parts or make repairs is the reason they don't honor their warranties. If your tent cost $150 - $200 and you break something, that something only cost them about 50 cents but the only way they can deal with your warranty claim is with a full product replacement, i.e., a brand new $150 - $200 tent just because a pole broke or a stake loop came unstitched. If you buy one of their products pitch it ASAP and go over it with a fine toothed comb. Try to use it before your 30 day return window expires. Definitely leak test it. If you see anything, anything at all, that you don't like, return it as defective. You may have to make it truly defective to avoid the return shipping cost. Don't exchange it for a replacement. Get a refund and buy it again because you do not get a new 30 days to return the replacement, only the remainder of the 30 days on the original purchase, minus however many days you lose waiting for shipping. Refunding and rebuying resets that to a new 30 days.
If I'm certain there is no risk of rain in the summer, I don't even need a tent. 3 season tent, not winter specific, implies a tent that can handle a blizzard on a summer night. Unless you live in a place where the ground is not made of snow half the year. In this video I'm seeing an example of a proper 3 season tent (1 person) and a summer only tent (4 person)
I am new to UK and I think in UK the avg high temperature is only around 18C plus here always windly and rain I will say go directly to 4 season may even more a hot tent ? Any one have second thoughts?
I think a lot of people have completely missed the point of this video. Yes environment is important, but a listing that says three season tent, does not say “if your in the Rockies” or “if your in a desert”. The point is that they DONT say that on listings. If you live in the Rockies, a hybrid tent might be a better option, so you need a hybrid tent, because a 3 season tent will be too cold. But you know that, but someone that doesn’t know will by a tent and not know. If they list a tent as a hybrid tent for cool weather, that will be helpful, but calling it a three season tent is deceitful to those that don’t know any better. As well, a full mesh tent can work in cold conditions, with a better sleep system, but that is dependent on your preference and budget. But someone in the Rockies buying a three season tent, and someone in Florida buying the same tent, will have very different experiences. But if that tent is listed as a hybrid tent for cooler weather, then the person in Florida will know that isn’t a good tent for what they need.
Excellent presentation sir. You answered a question to me almost four years ago about this very subject. In purchasing a tent for my daughter when hiking. It was the eureka tent. Something you did a review on years ago when I found your channel. STILL MY GO-TO man. SEMPER FI
I like your videos but this one isn’t cutting it. The bad intend you presume is annoying, especially because many things you’re saying doesn’t make sense (physics). Also everything is a balance, even tent design.
He doesn’t know his stuff at all, who is he some kind of Outdoor Gear God who believes everything he says as Gospel? Just because he has an opinion on ‘ Gear ‘ it does not make him correct, he has dropped a fair few clangers with his so called knowledge and gets called out on it, which he doesn’t like and people should not be taken in simply because he says so. There a far more knowledgeable people out there and on UA-cam without his ego etc.
PokeEye is right. He doesn't know his stuff at all and fumbles his way through half the videos he makes. It's weird, though, because the number of comments that get posted praising him is very high, much higher than the average UA-camr that actually does know what they're talking about most of the time, and a person is forced to wonder if he's not botting his own comment section.
I very much appreciate your help!!!! Because of what you have taught about tents I now know a tent I was using would get me wet and cold if it rained. Dangerous. I know what to buy and I help others know what to buy so they can enjoy the outdoors and be safe. Plus they can use their money to that which works. Thank you much!!
Well in the north of sweden, the one person tent would be great as a summer tent. When its +5 and gale winds you dont want mesh😅 The four person tent is not suitable at all for extreme conditions. However, the one person would probably be a good spring and fall tent, even with Luke
I could car camp with a simple screened in gazebo. If it ain't gonna rain, and it HAS been hot, why not get the best breeze available? Just take like a 10 foot by 10 foot gazebo, with mosquito protection. You and another person can sit on lawn chairs inside it, and relax. I ain't building a fire in August, so that is out. Just a protection against bugs is really all I need.
The term " 3 seasons" need to be banned . Summer in Uk-Ireland is not the same summer in Portugal-Spain. Have few manufacturers trying trow sand to the people eyes.
I don't buy-in on the whole 3 and 4 season tent system. I structure my tnets such that I have 1 for last spring and summer, 1 for early spring and late autumn, and 1 for winter. Summer tents don't flex well, in my opinion, to fit in the colder early spring and last autumn months. I want more fabring than a summer tent for the colder months, but not so much that it's deep winter ready. Much of the same, I don't want a deep winter tent for early spring or late autrmn.
I don’t know anyone who buys a sleeping bag thinking they just want to barely survive, we want to sleep comfortably yet the comfort rating is some trade secret bs
Your premise totally depends on your environment. Backpacking in the Rockies even during summer you want more warmth at night. In the desert you want more fabric that come up at least a foot to help prevent sand going right through the mesh. I have used mesh tents in the desert on windy night and the next morning there was tons of sand in the tent. Air flow is super important in warm/hot weather but in cooler environment you might not want the additional air flow.
Exactly what I was going to say.
Likewise. Over here in the UK, a "three season" tent that is made of mostly mesh is going to be totally unsuitable for two of those three seasons, and the tent that is a 100% fabric inner is perfectly okay in the summer. Of course, we have rather less desert, and quite a lot more rain.
Exactly, I live in northern Minnesota and have never had a tent that was all mesh yet the number of times that I wished it was warmer far exceeds the number of times that I was too warm when camping. This guy likes to pretend he is some sort of expert because he goes camping. I guess that makes me an expert too since I have been doing the same for much longer than he has lol
@@ViscountCharles I'm in Alaska...'nuff said!
@@saber1able Like that time he blasted a Fire Maple (jetboil clone) stove for not boiling water in the manufacturers stated time frame. He in all his wisdom decided to use a steel kettle instead of the actual pot it came with. Even contacted FM to complain, who sent a replacement and he still used a kettle for the video.
The only tent I’ve tried after owning dozens that works year round is the Nemo Kunai. It has some of the warmer inner but it also has tons of big vents to open for air. Can’t recommend it enough. I’m in Oregon btw
Camping primarily in the Colorado mountains I do not prefer 100% mesh. Lows are 30s-50s during summer. I like hybrid mesh.
I have the Duston X-mid Pro 1 for backpacking, but for camping you can't beat the price of the Walmart Tents. I bought the 39 dollar 4 person Ozark Trail Clip and Camp tent last year and it has never leaked with months of use, so I bought the 6 person one this year, used a hose on it, and left it out in a thunderstorm, and it hasn't leaked either. Love these cheap tents. Can't beat them.
Thanks for these tips man. Where I live in Texas, we are currently a few days after Christmas and it is still not getting below 60 degrees at night. When the summer hits, there is NO WAY I'm sleeping in a fabric tent like you've explained. Thanks for the heads up.
Here in the Bay Area, humidity isn't a big concern in summer. In summer the temperature can drop and winds can pick up and you get cold, and this is especially true in some of the coastal campgrounds. This is why locally I like having my rain fly lower to the ground. In other areas, I would adjust accordingly.
I think it was Mark Twain who said, "the coldest winter I ever spent was summer in San Francisco."
For me, where I live, only a 4 season tent makes sense. In a good tunnel tent from the likes of Hilleberg & Fjällraven, I’ve had zero issues for them being too hot. With 2 big vestibules you can have excellent air flow by keeping both end basically open for airflow but still keep the bugs out
Rough crowd today... Luke, you may be missing this one some. I've been camping and backpacking since 1965-ish. I seen a LOT of changes and ideas come along in 60 years. One man's needs vs another's is going to differ greatly... as we all know and understand.
If your point is, be careful about marketing BS, you are right. But trying to put more into one "camp" importance over the other may not work this time. At best, most tents are sold to keep bugs away, give a false sense of security and offer a bit of privacy. Whether it offers much else is going to depend on the 5 W's of who, what, where, why and WOW that looks cool factor.
Certainly there are plenty of JUNK equipment on the market... and over the years you've help many of us with solid buying choices. And I believe you are trying to help many of us understand how this all breaks down and what to look for our best value for our spending dollars. So, with that I thank you. Keep the honest reviews coming, but... BUT be careful out here in UA-cam land, as you know, there's plenty to be concerned of when it comes to people's attitudes and opinions.
I've been camping here in California when it was in the 90s during the day and in the low 40s at night
In the uk we’re screwed, I don’t think there is a tent that can do everything, but our weather can. In less than the space of a week we can have torrential rain, heatwaves and possibly snow. We just have to pick a tent and hope for the best.
In the space of a week? Heck, we can get that lot in the space of a day!|
And "pitch inner first" tents are mostly useless here IMO; you're going to be pitching and/or packing away in the rain even in the summer.
Weather can be super variable where I backpack too. I just got back from an overnight trip yesterday. The overnight low was freezing, and the daytime high was 70F. I experienced a little rain, but no snow. Ive also been on single day hikes where I was in full white out blizzard conditions and 65F sunny conditions within the space of 4 hours. Mountains can have huge temperature flux, and the mountains I backpack in can have extreme microclimates.
@@ViscountCharles I wholeheartedly agree with the “pitch inner first” tents are mostly useless …” sentiment!
That's why I look for functionality. A fabric door that has a 100% mesh option purchased s ideal. I find I can usually create a few cm gap from fly to grass.
Also, I have bag and sleep lad options.
The UK requires flexibility.
Cant beat a good old fashioned canvas tent, cool in summer warm in winter and waterproof they can be a bit heavy but you will always be comfortable.
In the California mountains, we try to set up in the shade as it does get rather warm in the summer. Humidity and warm nights are really not something we have to deal with (above 7000 ft). My Gazelle T4 seems to offer the best combination of widows, vents and fabric for my needs. It seals up quite well for rain, wind and sand. It also offers plenty of ventilation and air flow when needed.
After camping in a tent made before the turn of the century in a heavy rain, I decided to buy a new tent. I am on my sixth tent. I wish I had seen this video at the beginning of the search. Thank God for Amazon’s 30 day return. I’m surprised you didn’t mention taped seams on the flys or hydrostatic ratings. Being cool in a tent is important, but staying dry is also important, especially if using down sleeping gear. Love the videos. I have learned a lot.
FYI: The Teton 4p Mountain Ultra was one of my six. I only wish it was taller. My old joints prefer not crawling in and out and being bent over. I looked at their car camping tent which has a higher inside height, but the rain fly does not fully shield the sides of the tent. Fingers crossed the last tent holds up in the rain forecast for later today. My neighbors must think I have lost it with the revolving display of tents in the backyard.
Some things are best left unsaid.
Wise advice. Do your research and make an informed decision when purchasing outdoor gear.
Thanks Luke! Very concise explanation of what to watch out for in a summer tent that needs good airflow for hot and humid conditions. People that don't need that much mesh have more options and fabric-rich tents.
Decathlon "fresh & Black" tents are great for summertime ,and ....cheap !!
Bit on the heavy side so not recommended for backpacking..... but for family camping these are great.
Combine it with one of their tarp setups (tarp , adjustable lines and poles plus stakes) and you got a decent family camping setup for a very low cost. (less than 150 bucks)
we had these tents setup year round for testing and they can take quite the beating and not fail.(mh100 3p , mh100 2p , mh100 3p fresh & Black)
though the non fresh and black tents are better in snowy/cold conditions for obvious reasons .
Highly recommended if you are on a budget !!!
What you say makes sense. However where I camp, Northern Wisconsin and UP Michigan, I am more often trying to stay warm at night even in the summer. I deal with this by having a second rainfly I fashioned to block off a lot of that mesh for those times when I am trying to stay warm. I wish they made a tent for this scenario of some nights being very hot and others being cold both within the same camping trip.
This was really great information, Luke. Thank you for informing us and teaching us. I have bought so many products based on your opinions over the years and you have never steered me wrong yet. You are amazing. It was nice to see Suzie in the last video as well, cheers my friend
if you are only looking for a summer tent not the 3 seasons tent, you might take this dude's recommendation. It is more important to know the conditions of your camping trip. I personally prefer to have a three season tent with mix of mesh and fabric, but it still has the good air flow with big meshed windows. it cools down more efficiently than those full mesh body and a tarp cover without any windows. it is much more practical and adaptive on most of circumstances, cold, warm, hot, rainy days. I use gazelle t4 tent, it is a three season tent with mesh and fabric combined. it works very well under pretty much every conditions. I used it even when 2021 heat dome in Canada, I used it at the winter time, it worked so nice.
I like my gazelle tent when car camping and aside from an old pyramid and teepee tent I like for mountaineering is the only single wall tent I purchased or even considered purchasing as it’s a hybrid. Single wall tents just suck and mail y only appeal to weekend warriors , new or inexperienced campers or ultra light gram weenies that drill holes in there toothbrushes to save .0061 grams
Mesh is so important! I used to hate camping when I was younger because I would sweat all night, be cold in the morning and invariably catch a cold. When I bought my tent 5 years ago I was a bit scared I would be cold at night since there tent was practically all mesh. Nope. Never slept better outside. Game changer for me.
Well, this video is ideal for me. I reside in Thailand, and every day is a HOT DAY
Thanks to your previous reviews. The Grey 4 person tent was sold out, so I ordered a Grey, TETON Sports Mountain Ultra Tents - 3 Person Backpacking Tent & the TETON Sports Mountain Ultra 3 Footprint; Waterproof Tar, for $205, it should be here in 4 more days. I'm putting it in my Motorcycle tow behind trailer, when I go on a camping trip with my 2023 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Trike.
I recently ordered the three person version as well but in that orange/red color.. got it home and set it up in the living room. It's a damn palace!
Nice and big but packs down small enough (for your bike... Not so much for backpacking).. no loose threads, and simple to set up. You will very much enjoy it! I can't wait for my next camping trip so I can use mine for the first time
@@Zack-Hates-UA-cam Thanks for the Palace info, I agree with you I wouldn't be backpacking this thing around at my age (69). I wanted a light colored tent, the grey one was the lightest color, light colors are cooler in the summer, its going to be in the triple digits Fahrenheit soon. My young girlfriend & I are both North of 200 lbs so I wanted a tent that was big, the 88"L x 75"W x 49"H size sounded great for us, I will see, but I don't think we needed the 4 person tent.
Cant beat a good old fashioned quality canvas tent, cooler in summer, warmer in winter and waterproof, they can be a bit heavy but you will always be comfortable. I grew up camping from the 70's and no tent I have ever owned could hold a candle to quality canvas fabric tents, you just have to be bothered with a little extra work but its camping and putting up a tent is part of the adventure.
I absolutely love canvas for car camping but I haven’t found anything practical for backpacking. Even simply shelter half style canvas tents come in around 12 lbs. I have a canvas polish lavvu which I like and that’s 8lbs, but it’s not wide enough for me to comfortable lay down and I’m only 6’ tall
@@charliemcdowell5231 Yes sadly canvas is impracticable for hiking and you don't see a lot of smaller ones that are light weight, I guess I should have been more specific in my comment as I was more referring to camp-sight or drive in camping with my family in large tents that take a family to put up lol . That said my uncle camped, hiked alone some times and he had a small canvas tarp he would put up over a very light weight mesh tent. Thanks for sharing with me.
If I had to sleep outside I would use a yurt with open sides or if I wanted something portable then I've found a lightweight camping bed/hammock with a flysheet and tarp to be the best answer, that way I'm cool, dry and not bothered by insects.
Great video Luke, in addition to this one, would it be possible a video dedicated to the different materials just to have a better idea what is what. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us newbies.
Last week i camp in Bucegi Mountains (Romania) .The temp was around +2'C (around -3'C real feel). It all depends on the location you use the tent.I doo agree on the "more mesh" part since it makes the condensation manageable and the tent lighter.I also just LOVE tents with the poles on the outside for quick set-up.
This is perfect for East Texas. 91* F, 57% humidity, feels like 102*F. At midnight it is still 81*F. Even a little more sketchy in the The Big Thicket National Preserve : 113000 acres of diversity : a transition zone between 4 distinct vegetation types - moist eastern hardwood forest , southwestern desert , southeastern swamp and the central prairies.
I have a naturehike cloud up 2, but would love if the walls was further apart, like the Big agnes C-bar 2 tent. Because the inner wall in the cloup up 2 isn't able to be fastened to the outer wall. :(
"It is really up to you to choose the right tent for you" That just about summed up this video in one sentence, without the padding. Most people dont just buy the first tent they see. They do the research based on what works for them and based on a range of factors, including price. Thats why there is no perfect tent whatever the season. We are all individuals.
And the guy doesn't understand the basic principles of capitalism.
Another tent I am impressed with, though heavier, is the North Face Storm Break 2 two person tent. Durable, strong in winds, and great ventilation also.
Very informative, thanks a lot!
You taught me a lot about tents but I never would have thought about thank you so much
I am surprised by how much you are hammering the mesh thing lately. I'm not saying full mesh tent is a bad idea, but I personally hate the breeze while I'm sleeping. I had this kind of tent and I was miserable to the point I started throwing forest cover around the tent. On the other hand, in summer late-day storms/rain are a normal thing, and you recommend tents not designed to pitch while raining. I get that for some reason this doesn't matter to you, so please notice, those are not simple black&white topics - use and preferences matter.
This is still my favorite, gear review channel, keep up the good work, but please try to consider other points of views sometimes.
100% Luke has been on a high horse lately and is starting to act like he's the definitive expert over ALL these tent companies when he's just a guy making videos in the woods.
@@Zack-Hates-UA-cam Agreed.
Great review loved vary educational now I no what to buy this summer been waiting for this review hope you and susie are doing well take care Gary Liverpool
In some of your previous video, you show a tarp net combination. I like these. With love, Luke ❤.
Luke, you made the point regarding air flow under the rain fly verses the wall construction. If you have a 5” gap below the rain fly but the bathtub floor is 5” high, how much air flow are you actually getting if it’s the same?
Luke: The LightHeart Gear So Long 6 tent has worked great for me for all three seasons. American made in North Carolina. You need to do a deep dive review on this tent, or one of their other various models. You will be surprised how sturdy it is in winds, light enough for backpacking, plenty of room inside, and lots of ventilation options when needed.
Thanks Luke, great information
👏👏👏...GREAT...👏👏👏
This is probably one of the best videos of the channel.
🤔...Now I'd like to hear your opinions and experience about aluminum and fiberglass tent poles. Which temperature range does fiberglass works fine. How do you fix both materials in case of breaking. And what's your advice and suggestions about that topic and tha whole tent world in general... like pros and cons of single wall or double wall... etc...👍
The companies aren't misleading anyone. This has nothing to do with duping customers. It would be impractical to make and market a different tent for every season, so it makes sense to split designs into two categories: winter and non-winter, or put differently, four season and three season tents. Yes, some three season tents will be hotter than others in the summer, but that shouldn't be surprising considering you're going to be hot camping the summer no matter what you do, unless you're out west at high elevation. There's no tent that's going to make you comfortable camping in 90 degree heat with 90% humidity. At that point, there are only gradations of miserable.
Being hot in a three season tent is not as consequential as taking a flimsy tent winter camping when heavy snowfall is expected - which is why most tent companies have a separate category for winter tents, but not a separate category for summer tents. This is why summer is lumped in with spring and fall and given the name "three season tent."
So you’re more knowledgeable than Luke?!
@@stephenflynn7600 I’m not sure what this is even supposed to mean. It’s like you’re suggesting that I must defer to his opinion. Read my post again, that’s about all I can say.
@@BacktotheOutdoors I agree with you, there are different tents for everybody I personally like some fabric, not just mesh; I also like the rain fly to sit lower so animals are not lifting the fly so much with their nose. There are so many factors to consider... weather, season, location, price, weight, etc.
Hell, temps fall below 70F and my wife is grabbing a sweater. There are no absolutes, you must find what works for you and your family. Im not sure where my knowledge compares with the author of the video, but I know what my family and I demand from a tent.
It's exactly like how all-season tires are really 3-season tires and winter tires are the only thing that is appropriate for the (cold climate) winter.
Agreed. I spent spring looking for a new car camping tent. Gave me such a headache. I'm in Wisconsin. Spring can have 4 seasons in one day, summer is hot, humid and stormy, fall is usually nice, and winter is winter.
Finally decided I wanted to stand up in my tent, have decent coverage rain fly, and good ventilation. My tent of choice ended up being a Nemo Aurora Highrise 4p.
Would I take that tent out mid fall to the end of April? No way.
You also won't catch me camping in the winter. Too cold.
I live in the south and really wish I had this information when I was tent shopping years ago. I bought a 2 person tent with the high non-mesh sides and I just cannot go camping in summer because the tent retains too much heat and has no airflow. You just lay there and sweat all night long. Its great in spring and fall otherwise, so that's the only time I consider camping anymore. Thanks for the info for the folks who might still be tent shopping Luke, don't make my mistake folks! I will need to buy a new tent eventually that is summer-specific.
The only flaw in your assessment is environment. Some of these tents will function better or worst depending on the environment despite the season. Humidity is definitely a big factor.
Considering the sole purpose of a tent is to protect you from the environment you're basically saying that the only flaw in his argument is his logic.
"The only flaw in your airplane is that it doesn't fly." 🤣🤣🤣
@@toolbaggers Mesh doesn't protect you as well, though. Rain can splash up through it, wind can blow right over you, and sand can enter. The tent with less mesh will obviously protect better in those situations, which aren't uncommon by any means.
You need to make this a series…Sleeping bags, propane burners., sleeping mats ECT…just get 3-4 of each and compare and explain the benefits
Doesn't heat rise though?
Yep, the basic rule of thermodynamics.
In all countries I even had been, there was still an at least tiny chance for a small rain fall also at night. So I wouldn't never ever sleep in a tent, without any kind of rain protection. If I'd need a tent for very, very warm conditions an so a very good airflow, I suggest changing to a tarp build.
But I totally agree that the companies lie to us customers all the time: only my Decathlon tent really has the specifications they claimed. Every other tent I've ever bought wasn't exactly like they told it to be, if it was either the weight, the size, color or build quality over all. And we don't wanna talk bout e.g. how many tent stakes I have tested, just because even those so-called mountain stakes bent or broke in the areas I'm in most.
Thanks Luke!
The Bedouins have used tents for thousands of years. And the ones I've seen are 100% fabric. But they set them up to suit the environment they found themselves in at the time. The one constant is a full back wall and roof. In the desert you want SHADE. And lots of space inside. I have and have used a Cabela's Outback Lodge 6 man tent almost year round. A cot gets my head higher, and with all the fabric panels open it's liveable. But there's no way I'm going to let the sun beat down into my living space all day. I've also got a nice cheap tarp for pickin and grinnin.
When I was a kid my dad bought a Ted Williams 10X16 canvas tent from Sears. Family of six. We went camping and pretty much enjoyed it.
I feel that Luke’s ongoing rants about how bad various tents suck may steer people away from camping. There is a chance that it’s going to rain, it’s going to be hot, it might get cold. All part of camping.
As others have pointed out it that it depends on your location in the world. Humidity, heat, cold, wind.
In addition how can you have a tent that has fantastic ventilation that does not leak? On the other hand how can you have a tent that is totally waterproof that has adequate ventilation? How about using a tarp setup?
Sleeping in a tent is not always going to be comfortable. Realize that before you camp out. You might be better off sitting around the campfire in your backyard with friends or family then heading back into your air conditioned or heated home and getting a good night’s rest in your bed. Rent a cabin with beds. Get a hotel room. It all depends on the level of comfort that you desire.
Can you do a review of the Japanese Tenplay GTent please?
Just to add another environmental factor to consider, while on a west coast motorcycle trip I had a number of foggy mournings where the fog soaked the entire inside of my North Face three person tent because of the three inch gap between the rain fly and the ground. I was literally swimming in 40 degree water and would have rather had zipper panels for ventilation than an open bottom tent.
Luke - Aldi in the US has released a large line of camping products recently similar to products you've worn or used camp blankets, sleeping bags, sleep pads, etc. Would you consider doing a budget review of those products?
I haven't had a chance to use the teton tent you have featured in this video, but I own it. I bought it based on my impressions from your first video on it. I don't know how it will come out in the final review, but it seems pretty solid to me. Looking forward to the review.
@TheOutdoorGearReview Would love to see you do a Summer attempt, maybe a rainy night in the The Mountain Hardwear Hunker 1 that you own.
I really hope you review some of the hilleberg and Fjallraven tents.
What do you think of the UST Highlander two person backpacking tent?
Ahhh, case in point Luke, look at the newest MSR Hubba Hubba. It now looks like the MSR Elixir. I own a 2016 Hubba Hubba and an Elixir. I would never take the Elixir for temps over 45f. Check out the differences. MSR blew it in my opinion.
Luke, what's your review on the yeti back pack? Please answer?
Very informative, thanks.
If it’s that hot, a tent is at the bottom of the list and hammock at the top 😎
In summer pitch your tent in the shade. No rain forecast - keep the fly open or off for max airflow. If the temps are going to drop, bring the right sleeping bag.
Look my Teton tents so much I bought three, the only thing I didn’t like is the color, wish it was earth tone or camo instead of red or glow in the dark white
Not look….I LOVE my Teton tents❤️
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Yeah, their color selection leaves a LOT to be desired, but maybe that's part of how they keep the cost down, too. I'm not sure what a coyote brown or forest green rainfly would cost in material production compared to the yellow/red/grey color of the Mountain Ultras. Otherwise, that model is fantastic for a summer tent in warm/moderate climates--good size vestibules, plenty of ventilation, and really good quality control for the price.
Luke the "heat" you go on about is warm or hot air. As you probably know, warm or hot air rises and condensation occurs when it meets cooler air.
Apologies for being pedantic but accuracy is everything when explaining physics in your reviews. Just saying!
Bushmen core lodger and a tarp perfect for summer
I think what he says is generally true, although there are exceptions. I had a Skycape Trekker tent from Six Moons Designs and in fact I still have it. I don’t backpack much anymore but I used it for years in Northern California along the coast and in the Sierra Mtns. The inner was mostly mesh and most nights if it wasn’t going to rain I didn’t put the fly on because I sleep warm and always had a good sleeping bag and pad. Sometimes a little sand would blow in through the mesh so it was a trade off between dirt and heat not putting the fly on. My friends used to kid me and say why don’t you put the fly on so Bigfoot can’t see you and I replied I don’t want to scare him off.
Thanks Luke i like the teton sports but im worried that even in warm conditions the full mesh maybe too much when temps drop at night in the uk? So what would be a better option? Or is the teton going to work?
These example are only useful if you live in mild to warm climates that don't go near freezing temperatures, and full mesh tents are impractical for most regions where the temperatures can drop suddenly in the evenings, even in their respected summer times.
Thank you Luke, great advice as always xxxxx
that is alot of kisses Tina...you know hes a married man don't you? Settle down.
@@NathanHassall 😂😂😂
It also depends on the customer as well, they may want or need a tent that is more fabric than mesh like your second option. The reasons could be health related or who knows what else.
Hey, Luke. Is there any way that you can list a few types of the products that you test, such as tents the way that "Consumer Reports" does? Listing waterproofness, price, quality, dimensions, etc. I've watched many of your reviews and bought accordingly. I've never been disappointed. I thank you for your consideration. Stay safe my Friend.
What do you think about the berghaus Grampian 2?
Doing God's work Luke! Thank you so much! You are tent companies worst nightmare!!! Much love!!!
There’s a tent for every scenario. Only fools use one tent all year around. Reminds me that I’ve used the Lanshan 2pro for the last 13 months in any area in any weather. I never rely on a tent to keep me warm. That would result in excessive condensation inside my tent
Great advice!!
"here we have the poor performing summer tent and the good performing summer tent.. 3 season tents in other words" that quote from 7:00 is exactly what is wrong with this video.
I've never seen a "Summertime Tent" label on any tent. You're lumping everything with the label "3 season" into a tiny box that doesn't exist and blaming the companies and accusing them of putting fabric on there just to make a profit when I'm 100% sure there are tons of people who use similar tents to the "poor performing" one in summertime with no issues.
Luke what kind mosquito repellent that you use? I can't remember I think it starts with the Letter P I hate seem dumb but if you can tell me I really would appreciate it, thank you.
Permethrin
Good info, thanks!
I have a tent from the 90s that has inner tent in linnen. I guess they dont do that anymore?
Luke have you ever heard of the Wingman tents
Good point
Hey, I live in southern louisiana (hot, humid, rainy weather) and I’m new to camping lol. I’m trying to decide between the Teton Mountain Ultra 2 person tent and the Naturehike Mongar 2 person tent. The weight of the Teton (7lbs) is my only concern because I do intend on backpacking soon as well. From what I can tell, other than weight, they are pretty much the same tent. I’ve heard wonderful things about both companies, but I have seen some negative thoughts on Naturehike’s product durability. Any advice?
Their durability is okay *if* you get a good one. Their quality control is slack, they don't honor their warranties and they don't have replacement parts even if you wanted to buy them nor do they make repairs. Because they don't have replacement parts or make repairs is the reason they don't honor their warranties. If your tent cost $150 - $200 and you break something, that something only cost them about 50 cents but the only way they can deal with your warranty claim is with a full product replacement, i.e., a brand new $150 - $200 tent just because a pole broke or a stake loop came unstitched. If you buy one of their products pitch it ASAP and go over it with a fine toothed comb. Try to use it before your 30 day return window expires. Definitely leak test it. If you see anything, anything at all, that you don't like, return it as defective. You may have to make it truly defective to avoid the return shipping cost. Don't exchange it for a replacement. Get a refund and buy it again because you do not get a new 30 days to return the replacement, only the remainder of the 30 days on the original purchase, minus however many days you lose waiting for shipping. Refunding and rebuying resets that to a new 30 days.
If I'm certain there is no risk of rain in the summer, I don't even need a tent.
3 season tent, not winter specific, implies a tent that can handle a blizzard on a summer night.
Unless you live in a place where the ground is not made of snow half the year.
In this video I'm seeing an example of a proper 3 season tent (1 person) and a summer only tent (4 person)
I am new to UK and I think in UK the avg high temperature is only around 18C plus here always windly and rain
I will say go directly to 4 season may even more a hot tent ?
Any one have second thoughts?
Indeed I agree chum 🖖🏻 😉 🏴
Tent I want all mesh mostly maybe a wall 6 to 7 inch on the floor but really I sleep only in trees
Dana Webb sent me for the videography. Nice channel cheers
Great info
Most tents say "3 Season" because they are afraid to suggest the tent can take snow loads.
Luke you are a good teachers and for the children to learn and Susie is so good for us woman
I think a lot of people have completely missed the point of this video. Yes environment is important, but a listing that says three season tent, does not say “if your in the Rockies” or “if your in a desert”. The point is that they DONT say that on listings.
If you live in the Rockies, a hybrid tent might be a better option, so you need a hybrid tent, because a 3 season tent will be too cold. But you know that, but someone that doesn’t know will by a tent and not know. If they list a tent as a hybrid tent for cool weather, that will be helpful, but calling it a three season tent is deceitful to those that don’t know any better.
As well, a full mesh tent can work in cold conditions, with a better sleep system, but that is dependent on your preference and budget. But someone in the Rockies buying a three season tent, and someone in Florida buying the same tent, will have very different experiences. But if that tent is listed as a hybrid tent for cooler weather, then the person in Florida will know that isn’t a good tent for what they need.
Excellent presentation sir. You answered a question to me almost four years ago about this very subject. In purchasing a tent for my daughter when hiking. It was the eureka tent. Something you did a review on years ago when I found your channel. STILL MY GO-TO man.
SEMPER FI
Damm Luke, I completely dislike camping in the summer. Too Damm hot and uncomfortable. Lol
I like your videos but this one isn’t cutting it. The bad intend you presume is annoying, especially because many things you’re saying doesn’t make sense (physics). Also everything is a balance, even tent design.
Luke is the best. He knows his stuff, and he tells it like it is. Truly a one of a kind guy. 👍
He doesn’t know his stuff at all, who is he some kind of Outdoor Gear God who believes everything he says as Gospel?
Just because he has an opinion on ‘ Gear ‘ it does not make him correct, he has dropped a fair few clangers with his so called knowledge and gets called out on it, which he doesn’t like and people should not be taken in simply because he says so.
There a far more knowledgeable people out there and on UA-cam without his ego etc.
PokeEye is right. He doesn't know his stuff at all and fumbles his way through half the videos he makes. It's weird, though, because the number of comments that get posted praising him is very high, much higher than the average UA-camr that actually does know what they're talking about most of the time, and a person is forced to wonder if he's not botting his own comment section.
I very much appreciate your help!!!!
Because of what you have taught about tents I now know a tent I was using would get me wet and cold if it rained. Dangerous.
I know what to buy and I help others know what to buy so they can enjoy the outdoors and be safe. Plus they can use their money to that which works.
Thank you much!!
Well in the north of sweden, the one person tent would be great as a summer tent. When its +5 and gale winds you dont want mesh😅
The four person tent is not suitable at all for extreme conditions.
However, the one person would probably be a good spring and fall tent, even with Luke
I could car camp with a simple screened in gazebo. If it ain't gonna rain, and it HAS been hot, why not get the best breeze available? Just take like a 10 foot by 10 foot gazebo, with mosquito protection. You and another person can sit on lawn chairs inside it, and relax. I ain't building a fire in August, so that is out. Just a protection against bugs is really all I need.
The term " 3 seasons" need to be banned . Summer in Uk-Ireland is not the same summer in Portugal-Spain. Have few manufacturers trying trow sand to the people eyes.
I don't buy-in on the whole 3 and 4 season tent system. I structure my tnets such that I have 1 for last spring and summer, 1 for early spring and late autumn, and 1 for winter. Summer tents don't flex well, in my opinion, to fit in the colder early spring and last autumn months. I want more fabring than a summer tent for the colder months, but not so much that it's deep winter ready. Much of the same, I don't want a deep winter tent for early spring or late autrmn.
I don’t know anyone who buys a sleeping bag thinking they just want to barely survive, we want to sleep comfortably yet the comfort rating is some trade secret bs
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Why do you repeat everything 4-5 times?