Why Indian Scout Rogue Is Not The Victory Octane | Indian Scout Rogue Review
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- 💭 I'm gonna say it. It looks like a Victory Octane and that's completely okay. The 2022 Indian Scout Rogue brought back memories of having my own Indian Scout Bobber, but also paying heavy homage to the 2017 Victory Octane. It's a joy to ride so check out my experience!
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Long live the octane!
When I got octane, I started stock piling parts... trying to be my own parts resource. I love that bike.
Glad to see it get a 2nd and a half life with rogue.
(Ima count in the ftr as I think thats what the pikes peak fan boys thought octane was originally gonna be)
Talking about that rear suspension reminds me of that video you did way back when you were demoing a Scout Bobber and hit all those bumps lol good laugh at happy memories. Nice take & honest info on that Rogue! (Odd throttle issue..)
Give us a Rogue S with the FTR mill to take on the SporsterS please 🙏
Indian needs to work on that throttle on FTR first
All the comparisons say to me "Polaris made the Indian Scout Rogue a worse version of the Victory Octane 5 years later". They should have slapped an Indian badge on the Octane and called it a day.
Brother thats basically what they did cant you not tell? They went over it and paid more attention in certain areas. Its not the same but its the same
@@TheAnnoyingBoss except they made it worse and more expensive, not a very wise path forward.
I just traded my octane for a rogue.
The rogue is was more comfortable on longer rides.
The octane has more off the line ,but the rogue hits at high rpms@@DenvarShay
I love my Octane. The one thing I wish it had is a taller 6th gear. 4050 RMP at 70mph is a bit buzzy, so it's not for longer highway rides.
I recently bought a scout rogue. Have been doing a lot, A LOT, of research with videos. This is the best and most descriptive info I have found. Excellent job on this video.
Thank you for that! There’s always more to say but I think this video sums up my experience well.
Octanes ride much better. No such thing as too much travel. Challenger, Pursuit, Scout , all thanks to Victory ! Great vid !
Ride on my freind!
Brandon: I enjoyed your review of the Scout Rogue. It sounds like Indians developed a version of Scout that keeps the cool, aggressive look of Scout Bobber but has made it more versatile for a wider variety of riding and road conditions. This bike may be exactly what new to Indian riders are looking for!
(I own four Indians - 21’ Vintage, 19’ FTR-RR, 22’Chief Bobber DH Stage2, 21’ Scout Bobber 1300 (engine has been heavily modified.)
Nicely done video. You kept the narrative flow smooth and interesting, and the music was not too much of an irritant :) Keep up the great work and ride safe.
Thanks for the videos- I actually purchased my rogue because of your reviews, almost pulled the trigger on a chief bobber, but I wanted something less cumbersome and more sporty, I’m am very happy with bike now 1 week in
Great review! And nice trim on the mustache. I dig your videos and the real information you share!
If I’m still riding and wanting to go the cruiser route in the future, I’ll definitely look at the rogue. I currently have the octane and love it. Like everyone else is saying, if you can find one to ride, take the opportunity. You won’t regret it at all.
Nice video bro, you’ve definitely done your research and you know Victory and Indian very well . I too am an Indian fan and own a Scout . They are great bikes , I personally own a 2017 Scout that I converted to a bobber (style wise) . I have no complaints other than the cheap stock suspension , that I immediately swapped out for the Fox adjustable shocks which made a huge difference. And one thing that made a monumental difference in everything about my Scout was a driver backrest pad. It made longer rides a lot more fun , plus when you throttle the Scout you won’t feel like your gonna possibly slide off the back ! (It locks you in)...
Such a well thought review and feedback. Really appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience.
My pleasure!
i dont get why they (all bike manufactures) make these bikes with so little of rear suspension travel...do they hate other peoples butts/spines? i think the idea of the rear cylinder cutoff is a neat but i have heard other people have issues. i know they all have their issues but Indians kind of remind me of what people used to say about old Harleys lol. i do hope they get them sorted because i do want them to be competitive so we get better bikes from all sources. good vid
I really like the Rogue over the Bobber. Right out of the box it’s more comfortable. The seat and the bars put me in a good position. We all know with the right exhaust that bike will sound great.
Looks wise the bobber still looks the best imo, nice a chunky and all you really gotta do is change out the shocks and seat to make it as comfy if not more.
detailed in depth feedback from a man who knows about his bikes!!!! well done 👍🏼
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@@BrandonBicasso good name for a channel !
Hey B, keep up the great work. You got to try the Octane and review it against the Rogue and Nighster, loved my Octane stage 1, I chopped my pegs and had an easy 34-35 degrees lean, 😎 a cool bike, gearing was very aggressive
I have a Victory Octaine. For the most part, as long as I'm not sitting still for very long, I love the bike. The heat issue is the one thing I hate about it. I'm glad you mentioned it.
Great video mate, I was wondering what’s the jacket your wearing ?
Keep up the great work mate.
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You have put so much effort into this video. And it shows. This helps Indian motorcycle as well as potential customers. Thank you.
I really did!
You ever thought of renting a victory octane from ridershare or something to do a comprehensive comparison. I know you had the bobber for some time so I'm sure you can think of many topics to bring up. If victory was still around I think the octane would've been the one to go for hands down. It had slightly more hp and torque and was even lighter too, making it quicker in the 0-60 between the two
Yeah, but the cost ruins it for me at the moment.
Awesome vid bro 🤘😎
Rear cylinder deactivation really wouldn't help. The exhaust is RIGHT under your thigh, and it stays at 280+ degrees for 5+ minutes after the cylinder stops. They need to change the routing of the rear exhaust. Its the only bike I have ridden that melted the inner thigh of my Aerostitch suit. I have even tried putting a bigger heat shield on, and stuffing under the heat shield with additional thermal - it helps, but its not enough.
If it's Not A Schwinn; then Stop callng Cycles; Bike.
No
Victory octane is such a real gem, the power delivery and the handling is almost out of a sport bike. Amazing!
Sport bike? It drags. Pegs so easily!
@@josephsaia5527 I've drug mine numerous times. However you do get what seems to me a lot more lean over the scout. I've owned both and still have the octane. I love the handling the torque is all kinds of fun
Okay okay cylinder deactivation would be great BUT if it had the option to toggle it on and off at the riders preference. I personally hate any vehicle that has that. My girlfriends Malibu does that and I kinda hate it
Of course. It’s not an all or nothing thing. Toggle switch on the other platforms. Bothers me there’s no option while the others have it.
Just brought all these thumbs ups for ya algorithms 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍💪🙏
I'm wondering if an aftermarket shock could be found that would give it more than 2" of travel. It really should have at least 3", shouldn't it? Once you sit on it, do you lose 1 of those 2 inches? I would like a 5-gallon tank, a fuel gauge, and what else? A more comfortable seat I suppose but that can be found somewhere. Oh yeah, a 4-speed gearbox, and easy pull clutch and front brake levers. If a motor will pull a gear, why would you want to shift all the time?
I found that on my Roadmaster, it is the catalytic converter that gives off all the heat. I don't like rear cylinder deactivation. It caused me to drop it doing low speed drills.
I had the same issue with my roadmaster. Once I removed the cat, all my heat issues went away.
@@CactusJack252 Now that is reassuring. Thanks
I've heard this about rear cylinder deactivation from others. It seems to cause a lagged response when power is needed in an instant. I've turned mine off just to avoid the issue biting me.
Polaris chose the" Indian " for brand recognition because of their Harley Derangement issues... Victory was it's own Awesome self! I'll always prefer the Victory ✌. Indian is Indian it'll be okay regardless...
Harley's starting to get their shit together though, they kinda need to get over their inflated view of themselves...
If you look at the difference between the Rogue and the Octane rear shocks, the rear suspension shock angle is quite dramatic. It's just dumb to put inadequate suspension travel, coupled with a ridiculous flat-angle rear shocks on any bike, especially on a cruiser where the rider's weight is primarily on the seat. Come on Indian.
I loved the Scout Bobber when it came out, then I test rode one. I got some back problems, too, and I can't imagine riding for more than 30 minutes on the bobber. Also, it's soooo fast and begs you to lean it over and then there go those foot pegs ruining all my fun. It was a very bitter-sweet test ride.
Yeah, the performance of Rogue is better, but that suspension will still get you at times.
I think cylinder deactivation is probably one of the worst idea I’ve ever heard for this bike A lot of people by the scout for the sound why would you want to idle like a dirtbike
Decisions I don't understand - Why didn't they use the Scout rear subframe? That extra inch of travel seems like it would have eliminated (or significantly improved) one of the biggest complaints about this bike.
What I'd really like to see is a Scout+ rogue with a +1 suspension. I'm only 5'9 (on a good day) with a 29" inseam and I'd happily trade an inch of seat height to get 4.5 inches of travel on that rear suspension.
[EDIT: the more I think about it, the more I'm sure the right way to go is to add the rogue changes to a Scout.]
Harley didn’t make the Bronx. I hope Indian makes a naked bike similar to it using the scout motor.
I’d buy one.
I remember when the size of tires and wheels were something figured out by engineers..I see a larger diameter slimmer tire on one and a fat tire on a smaller diameter rim on another. Which one handles better, or doesn't it make any difference?
The biggest difference between the rogue and the octane is the seat!!
The rogue seat is pretty comfy
The octane seat is like sitting on a 4x4. It cuts into the back of your legs
Man I just hollered 😂😂 Not a 4x4 💀💀💀
@@BrandonBicasso did a 3 hr ride, could barely walk
I just ordered one. Added some accessories, now it's the waiting game.
How many months out?
looks great, but the exhaust is way too long for my style. Needs to be shorter, or a better after market option
Plenty of options available
I had an octane and it was a stupid amount of fun to ride! I would love one of these. Great info, thnx!
I love the environment Indian created. Having a bunch of reviewers and creators go out for a nice day cruise. What an awesome opportunity!
Always a pleasure!
Iam still a Victory fanboy...I am looking for a like new low mileage Vision...
Ew
When Victory shut down it's shop, Indian who operates under overseer Polaris was trying to get Victory technology, but Victory directorate refused to release mechanical tech to Indian as it was too advanced as they put it and don't want Indian strife under their logo using Victory's blue printing. So Indian shares decent amount of parts with victory. But when people think Indian Scout is basically Victory Octane, they are extremely off. They share general frame design and some essentials like wiring harness, starter, solenoids and relays, but mechanically Octane is a power house in comparison to Scout and their motors have nothing in common other than both wrapped in aluminum blocks. So if you want Victory Octane especially rare Stage 2 factory. I am the proud owner of one. Do not buy scout but go find actual Octane and buy it. You'll have 1000+ cc super sport bike in full aluminum cruiser frame. Fact, my Octane weights in less by dozen pounds than was my 2008 CBR 1000 RR.
Not sure where you got that info from but it’s not correct. Victory engineers are Indian Motorcycle engineers. When Victory shut down, they were moved to the Indian brand. So yeah, same folks designing the same bikes.
Great presentation on all your videos!!! 🎉 Keep up the great work and may GOD‘s peace and blessings be with you! 🙏🏼✝️
Thank you, Eddie 🙏🏾
I would love to see a Scout Sport with real mid controls and a different rear end where you can run a larger rear wheel such as 17 or 18" and more suspension travel. The Scout are limited in customization where Sportsters are not. Stock the Indian is the better bike but for customization the Harley is the better bike !
Customization is getting better but you’re absolutely right
Losing the throttle on a ride? This is why I don't like electronics. With a cable, you can always find a way to make it work to get home, even if you have to pull it by one hand somehow. I've had to do it. I hope there is a way to do that. I assume there is a throttle body that would have some kind of cable, right? Use a shoelace or something, right?
I had the same issue with my scout. A bad sensor put it in limp mod. I unplugged the battery for about 30 minutes and it ran fine... at least long enough to get me home. Indian picked my bike up and replaced the sensor.
I spec'd one out and was around 15K.... a lot cheaper than a touring bike and I think it would be a great learner bike. The question is, am I too big for it? 350+lbs
I’d test ride both Rogue and Chief.
Excellent review
After 7 years of complaints about the rear suspension and the seats you'd think Indian would have fixed these two issues.....
I’d say they don’t see it as a flaw. Just a component for riders to upgrade if they choose.
I got to test ride a Scout Rogue last weekend. I'm 6'0'' @ 200 lbs. I just feel too big on the Scout frame. It was fun for sure, but too small for me. The Cheif was a little better, but ergos still felt small. The new Pursuit was a beautiful ride. She is a HEAVY girl at 900+ lbs, but the ride is soooo smooth. I still love the Springfield Dark Horse. That bike is my goal.
Yeah, it’s more money but I push people to Chief if they’re over a certain build. Gotta be comfortable and confident on what you’re riding.
@@BrandonBicasso yeah for sure. Can't ride smart and focused if you are not comfortable. Let alone, enjoy the ride.
Thanks for this vid, very informative. Also I definitely hope they do not add cylinder de-activation to the scout. Or as an option at least. Seems to me like just another engineering feature prone to break down at some point.
Would be difficult as an option I’d think but then again, I’m not an engineer. It works well by toggling it on or off though.
Agree.. cylinder deactivation has always (old 84 cadillacs)and still cause issues n more breakdowns on all motors
Hey Brandon, great video and great videos! Question: I am stuck between purchasing a 23 Scout Rogue and a 23 Sport Chief, b/c it is the outgoing year the pricing is very competitive for both. I am an experienced rider and like both, I do not do long trips often, mostly cruise with friends, and bar hop. IYO which would you go with?
Oof… that’s a tough one. I’m team Chief because it’s a slightly bigger bike and I like the character of ThunderStroke. The Rogue handles a bit better to me with that 19” wheel but both scrape pegs a lot. Cruise control on Chief is hard to pass up as well for me. Extra suspension in the rear might be something to consider in the future with the dual brakes/inverted forks on Sport Chief. Both did VERY well with the windshield. I was left impressed riding both but I’d go Sport Chief for the long term. However, I’d wait until Indian announces the new Scout line-up in a few weeks. May give you a few more options to consider if they make it different enough from the ‘23s.
Thanks for the reply! Gonna be a tough choice, agree! I def can’t wait to see what the 25 scout looks like.
Damn dude
You look good on that bike. (I know, that sounds weird)
Great breakdown 🔥
Not weird at all. I appreciate it!
I have fully decided to take thw plunge, my big debate Scout Bobber , or the Rouge? And do I do pre owned or take the plunge on a new 1 with like 6 ot 7k down credit is AAA status as well. Gun to your head what you suggest? Love the content
Rogue! I buy wrecked bikes so pre-owned for the right price wouldn’t scare me. Put some of that $$$ in the rear suspension.
@@BrandonBicasso As a long time dirt bike rider the 16 in the back 19 in front is very similar to the MX bike rim sizing, so deff think th at is the way to go, im in love with the metalic copper , of the black diamond Azure blue. Have to hunt 1 of tbose down with low miles and be done with it. As once I move down from NY to Florida will be able to ride year round ! =)
I like it l just don’t like short or chopped fenders because in rain it’s gonna throw stuff all up and against the radiator
That’s fair.
No way you were here in Ventura. I spat my drink out at 4:15 when I saw Tony's. Pretty cool seeing the places I'm familiar with. I haven't been keeping up with watching your videos lately, but damn was I shocked to see the first video of yours I saw in a while of you riding in my backyard. Hope you enjoyed Ventura County. Great video.
I've been riding for only a year and a half, so I never knew about Victory before they went defunct (or whatever the correct term is). I've only ever seen two of them in person. One was like a rolling piece of art with gracious curves and beautiful colors. The other is my neighbor's and looks like a piece of shit, but it's a shit with gracious curves at least.
I initially wanted to get a Scout Bobber because I thought it was the unquestionably coolest bike that nothing could come close to (that's how I came across your channel). The Rogue is pretty rad too, but I still prefer the look of the Bobber more with that phat front wheel and lower stance. Between the two, I probably would get the Bobber on looks alone. I haven't test ridden either of them, though, so I don't know how I'd take to the ergonomics. That said, I don't think I would actually get either of them as I've been eyeing the FTR as my new unquestionably coolest bike that nothing could come close to.
Got a Octane. Looking at the Rogue as a lateral replacement. Would have to get the longer(3inch travel) piggyback shocks.
Def a no brainer upgrade.
@@BrandonBicasso as I understand it the Indian replacement shocks are both compression and rebound adjustable. The Octane piggybacks were just one way and totally oversprung but slightly better than stock. Hopefully will gain some lean angle with the longer shock
I got a Rogue a few weeks ago...1000 miles later and I absolutely love it. No problems to date. I upgraded the headlight and turn signals to the LEDs and I'm having the exhaust replaced with the Indian Stage 1 2-Into-1 Full Exhaust System on June 9th. My only complaint so far is fuel tank size could be larger, at 3.3 gallons you get roughly 120 miles out of a full tank. Other than that it's been all good so far.
Excellent job on this video. Have been looking at Indian scout. Getting older and have been riding HD FLHTC for 25 years love them. Looking for something lighter as l get older. Really enjoy this video. Very interesting.
One of my chapter members has a 2021 scout that the tranny crapped out on him coming back from Thunder Beach. Indian said it will be a month or more to fix. I never had trouble with my 2015. For me, if I get another Indian it will be a Chief or larger bike. My wife wants another scout.
The rogue is the complete package. Great looks, a seat that holds you in place, a fairing that blocks the air and comfortable bars. The only downside is the short travel suspension. I have a Scout Twenty and once I adjusted the suspension and drop the rear tire psi slightly. It’s not that bad. I got good at avoiding potholes too.
And it’s a great looking bike to boot! Great review. Lol…I was typing as watching and said “If I were younger”. You’re young enough to be my son. I’d ride one around the block still but at my age, I want the touring with all the wind protection and sofa-comfort.
😂😂 I have Parents everywhere these days.
So I run the Octane front and rear on my Indian scout as well as the octane rear pulley with mini apes. Have been running this for about 2 1/2 years now and the bike feels amazing. I'm actually glad Indian decided to combine the two and grow the Scout a little but I can't say I'm not disappointed and the Rogue seems kind of half arsed. There are so many issues they could have addressed, like the suspension issues, brakes and that throttle but it appears the changes are only cosmetic.
I put a leather shield over the rear cylinder
Great and honest review. Looked fun and you had a blast! Always liked big front wheel on cruisers. No question though that the rouge isn't the octane. So you lost some lean angle and gained some horsepower! Either way its a fun bike! Hasta luego!
Great video, Brandon, especially where you are digging the twisties and feeling confident! My Rogue should be arriving by late August. I'm thinking about the rear shock upgrade as I'm used to the 3 inches of travel that I have on my 2016 Scout that I'll be trading in. I prefer the blacked out engine and pipes as opposed to all the chrome on the 2016.
Dude. I love your content and your opinions. This was a great video as you started off in my home town and then through my second home town and then to my current hometown all on a brand of bike my uncle has been selling and working on for about 40 years at “the shop”. Keep doing what you’re doing. 👊🏻
Damn, what a comprehensive video. I just ordered my Rogue and you confirmed that my decision was good. You just got a new subscriber.
Excellent honest review
I was disappointed with this bike at Daytona Bike week, bike felt cheap and the seat was small and uncomfortable, the bullet fairing didn't seem to match the lines of the bike, but this is just my observation.
Nothing wrong with that. 💪🏾
I just would love a Scout with a FTR Engine
The ftr is definetly not a usual normal thing. Is there other things we can do that harley cant
pure banger my boy had to stop it half way though needed to get some popcorn for this banger...my quality is everything .
You know my track record. Crispy.
Lol! I already know how you feel about the Scout rear suspension. Still watching but good stuff so far!
Stiff af
I would love to hear some comments from Octane owners.
Several in the comment section
Huge fan of the Scout. Just picked up a ‘19 Metallic Jade model.
Can you fit mid controls on the Rogue for better ground clearance? I’m 5’8 and not a fan of forwards.
Yes, anything available for Scout will fit. The other mid control options will work but don’t think the ground clearance will change.👌🏾
@@BrandonBicasso Thanks for the advice and reply. I appreciate that. I think the rear cylinder heating issue would be too excessive to overlook with our Australian summers.
The Indian Chief Sport looks to be a much better option for me but it’s a lot more expensive. Rear suspension travel is important as the majority of our major roads,backroads pretty ordinary. We also get a lot of traffic jams with public works especially in Melbourne.
@@MrAndrew1953@BrandonBicasso I am thinking of the same heat issue, I live in southern mexico so its hell here as well, but the Chief is air cooled, my guess is that would be worse for heat no?
its definitely ok its like the OCtane..ppl loved that bike. great vid Brandon
I just went to Indian-Redlands, and they didn't have any Rogues in stock. As a matter of fact, they only had one Bobber, and it was sold. Disappointed!
Dang, these shortages are killing the vibe.
Bought one and love it
Very informative video Brandon. Thanks so much.
I think a wider rear tire would make a better ride.
Def would look better too.
I hate this stupid trend to push bikes without suspension. This need to stop.
What part of California did you guys drive through?
Los Padres National Forest, Cali
@@BrandonBicasso aw thats dope near Santa Barbara. Im up north more so maybe ill take a ride out there for some cool scenery
What should I choose: Octane or Hammer?
I wouldn't get either tbh. Unless you're mechanically inclined a bit. Getting harder to service them. Great platform though. I'd go Hammer.
@@BrandonBicasso thx. What about v rod?
Same thing, but I'd trust support with HD over Polaris. Plus, the aftermarket is more with HD. V-Rod wasn't a good long distance bike for me, but I'd buy it over the others.
Very insightful video, thanks.
My wife is currently toying with getting a Rogue and keen to get a test ride. The travel on the show could be an issue as our roads are full of pot holes and her back is fragile.
I'm keen to ride the Chief DH but at 5'11" and 15 stone I need the forward controls and Super Chief bars.
Keep the videos coming.
Def make sure you get that suspension right. It can be brutal on the back. The upgraded Fox suspension may work for you.
Speaking it into existence. I will one day own the rogue
You would have thought by now they would have sorted the suspension issues out, good review👍
Thanks for your honest thoughts ... I am in the middle of purchasing a Scout Rogue for my first road bike. Only had dirt bikes, cheers mate.
Sure thing. You’ll love it.
This is a great video and an equally as great video title.
I love that bike. That will be my next ride for sure.
You’ll love it!
By the way, I became a little concern about the electrical problem that you had with the troutle. And also Im thinking about upgrade suspension changing the shocks.
@@wandickramirez4274 Understandable. I can't answer whether that won't be an issue going forward but I'd like to believe that was sorted. When we do these events, we are there with engineers and upper management so they get our direct feedback. They weren't too happy that this happened while on the ride but.. it happens and they prepare for it. Which is why they had a separate bike ready. That's also why warranties are available although it wouldn't help me much haha. I buy my bikes used and salvaged so I would have replaced this sensor pretty quick. Issue would be if you were out far away from home so I totally get it. I think it's fine tho.
Salve do Brasil 🇧🇷 great review bro
I put the bobber 20 bars on my bobber, I love those bars
During my test ride I found the bike to definitely need suspension adjustment; do you know if Indian offers middle controls that would be interesting to ride; forwards sucked?
Indian calls them reduced reach that’s pulled back more than the initial forward position. Roland Sands, Kuryakyn and a few others make mid controls.
So here I am. Having a slow morning. Then your video pops up. Thanks for starting off my day with another good video.
Enjoy your day. 💪🏾
This video is the reason I bought a scout rogue! Ordered back in June and finally got it yesterday. Love it!
Thanks for the comment! Keep enjoying it! I may be getting one myself. Love the platform and changes.
That photographer riding backwards with a camera. I never thought about that. He has a lot of trust in the guy operating the bike.
Very true! It’s a big trust and balancing act.
Dig your content brother!
Thank you Fam! Glad you enjoyed it.
Is cylinder deactivation an issue on motorcycles like it is on GM vehicles?
Nah. When you pull off, blip the throttle and it immediately cuts back on. Works great on the Thunder Stroke models.
they should really bring back victory.
I think youre crazy.
@@TheAnnoyingBoss indian is for old lesbians