I discovered this years ago with touch-screen Chromebooks. Sometimes you would use the trackpad (or mouse). Sometimes you would touch the screen. Hands and arms seemed to make the choice without thinking about it. Very enjoyable experience.
“Run all iOS apps directly on macOS, no work required.” Meanwhile, Instagram on iPad is just a little phone app within a black void around 70% of the screen.
@@tij9190 mostly yeah but Android will automatically scale apps to make use of the screen size even if the dev hasn't optimised it so it is possible for Apple to do better.
@@JoshUnwin android has a huge advantage in such ways but it makes the app buggy at times cause we have to optimise it . Also don't forget whatsapp 🤣🤣.
1:25 "We love the mac, because its expen- we love macos".. What was that Craig Federighi, Apple's senior vice president of Software Engineering department?
They really need a "I'm not gonna touch it, please just give me some information density back" option. I'm so bothered by Apple's incessant push toward less and less information density. It's making smaller devices less useable
Honestly, I praised apple for making their interfaces more dense, because when I use a computer with a mouse/touchpad and a keyboard. Big Sur is a fucking joke.
@@shariful3844 that's largely subjective, I was using windows all my life until 2-3 years ago when i got my macbook and i never realised how much i dislike using windows before I got the feel of macos. People like u need to stop trying to find an answer to which os is better cause at the end of the day it comes down to what each of us wants in an os.
@@hira6481 Until a few years back I wasn't primarily on an open-source system. Now here I am using Manjaro because I wanted a braindead-simple Arch-based system with my desktop of choice, which through the power of -friendship- community they provide. Tired of Microsoft selling me by the parcel and too poor for Apple, I do the next-best thing and dual-boot an OS of choice alongside Windows when I need it.
I don't need a Macbook that I can use with my finger... Macs have one of the greatest trackpad out there on the market... Why should I lift my arm up to tip the screen?! I don't get it...
well if he pronounced it normally, "Sir" like "Surf" without the F... maybe UA-cam wouldn't nail the weird pronunciation with it's apparently spot-on auto-generated subtitles.
Peter Schumacher hahaha yeah it’s such a dumb explanation, I just want one that can be easily accessed from the control panel! I don’t care about Apple making a “great” calculator!
@@thatpitter He didn't "explain" anything. He came up with an excuse on the spot because the real reason is that there isn't one. They just never got to it because it slipped their mind.
This is one of the few UA-cam videos which has been visually very appealing. The subtle blue background is stunning, your T-shirt conpliments the whole vibe. Awesome work, brother.
Even when I've had a touchscreen laptop, I've never used the touchscreen functionality. To me, touch functionality should be left for devices that are held in the hand like tablets and phones.
Err.. or for screens that can go (almost) horizontal. :) As he said in the video, to have touch as the *only* input - yes, bad. But to just have it there as "option" - there are times when a scroll, a swipe is much easier than using the mouse.
No, he actually said both. The stylus comment was during the launch op the first iPhone (2007). The comment regarding touch screen on desktops, as shown in this video, was much later in 2010/2011
@@rishabhbaidya9494 no…? What Steve said was relevant to the times. He said he didn’t Ike music streaming but back then music streaming was slow, expensive, and had poor quality. Now it’s much faster, cheaper, and that allows people to have more permanent music library. He was against a stylus in iPad because back then a pencil could only do as much as a finger could do, but now the Apple Pencil allows for sensitivity, and many more options. He was against a touchscreen on laptops because back then you would have to reach up to the screen to use it, but now laptops can fold in multiple directions. Times change, obviously Steve would approve if he was around to see it.
I'm sure there will be 3rd party tools if Apple doesn't that make the spacing more compact. I don't know if it's because MacOS is just really easy for developers to make customizations like that or because the MacOS market that is willing to spend money on apps is so large that developers find a way to do the impossible so often anyway.
@@NicheAsQuiche Of course MacOS has lots of settings. It even lets you swap modifier keys and swap caps lock with the esc key. You'd need 3rd party software to do that on Windows (or at least without having to use PowerShell commands)
Interesting theory but you’re forgetting a lot of users input device for their Macs is the built in trackpad or the Magic Track Pad. Which does much to give the same interaction feel of the iPhone and iPad.
I don't need a Macbook that I can use with my finger... Macs have one of the greatest trackpad out there on the market... Why should I lift my arm up to tip the screen?! I don't get it...
I have an iPad pro 2015 and have had a pencil & keyboard since launch - i’m typing from it now, actually. I got a mouse a few years later once one was offered for use in remote desktop sessions. I love my MacBook Pro, it replaced my iPad as a primary remote work device in late 2017; but one thing I constantly try and do while using it is touch a line to start typing on, “click” something, or when I want to address a typo. It’s very difficult with how often I switch back and forth to not look for a trackpad on my iPad and want to touch my MacBook screen.
@@MarioAtheonio i think they aimed to make Sidecar look better but they really should have made a setting so that the big spacing and big buttons only show up when using sidecar and not all the time on macbooks etc
Here is the thing: What if the iPad Pro gets MacOS support? Like, think they have the same SoC now, then instead of changing iPadOS to fit the needs of professionals.
It was like trying to “click” the trackpad on a Windows machine after using a Mac several years ago (when Windows machines always had buttons below the trackpad for left/right click)
W10 is trying to be as bad as crapintosh is ie: They fuck over your customers every possible way and remove control from them as much as possible Its also funny that this comes along as a new upgrade of Winbloze meanwhile such isn't even an OS.. it's a service and a very very bad one at that. Also note crapintosh would be fucked so royally it wouldn't be funny if all of the creators of the underlying *nix code prohibited it from being used by crapintosh (much of that code is in their arm based code as well) (Now edited on a real keyboard instead of the nightmare pos wifi mini kbd I was stuck using at the time of the original post. UGH I swear when the replacement arrives that pos is going to the range to make a nice target for some 9mm goodness.)
I understood that he meant more of (not crap mac iOS), like now the nonsense merging between macOS and iPadOS. A detachable iPad that is not crap. Windows is actually doing fantastic converting between laptop and a tablet ahead of time.
what didnt u understad? that w10 is trying tp f over the dolts that use it as much if not worse than crapintoshs victims? or that if all of the contribs that are used for free in the underlyng structure that osx relies on were revoked then crapintosh would be royally fuked.. or the part that win10 is NOT an OS it is a service..
They should really think about their target groups... Both PC and Mac are meant for professionals / power users. Keep the slow and often less effective touchscreen for the normal user. You need to write fast / a lot? Use a Keyboard. Mouses are also superior on large screen with lots of content. Touch makes no sense on a PC / Mac. I almost never use the touchscreen on my laptop. I wish I could have bought it without a touchscreen.
For coding and writing that is certainly true. It can be useful for audio engineering if you have a lot of sliders IF the sliders are designed well. That being said I don't use the touchscreen much on my Dell Precision laptop and do use it on iPad Pro, shrug.
Touchscreen is nice to have, but not necessary. I use it for scrolling and some apps like Netflix. It is faster and easier than trackpad. However, i will not buy apple product until they improve multitasking and window management. Like cmd tab should show all browser windows with preview, like Windows and window snapping is a must have.
When you’re using a touchscreen on a laptop don’t people put their elbow on a desk like a pivot when using it? Instead of having your whole arm in the air?
Touch Macs? Oh boy, I'll pass! I retired my 2014 15" MacBook Pro when the iPad Pro 11" first came out, and just recently bought a budget Ryzen Lenovo 2-in-1 and I love both devices and use them frequently. That being said, I never wanted or use the pen and touch features on my Lenovo, or use my iPad with a stand/keyboard. A touch-enabled Mac sounds like a thing I am absolutely not interested in.
Touch on desktop is also dumb to me when I can just use the mouse, there is however a few of use cases including drawing/ios apps. long time ipad user as well and I really believe in dedicated hardware
Occasional gestures on the screen could be very useful. Think about zooming in and out on maps (or 3D/virtual models). Sometimes just a few multi-touches on the screen gives a lot more control. ... But as soon as Macs get touch, you know users will ask for a 360-hinge -- or a detachable henge. I could see this evolution getting to a 360 degree hinge, but it just seems absurd to have both Mac and iPadOS tablets. ......... Could there eventually be a unified AppleOS -- one that customized its interface to the device it was running on?
I like your idea of a touch screen laptop that can be separated and run as a tablet on its own. In tablet mode it would convert to iPad os and in laptop mode it’d be Big Sur or whatever they call it.
I've been enjoying productivity and making content with Surfaces since 2015 (Pro 3 and Book). You really hit the nail when you said that having the OPTION to use the touchscreen is the way to go... even my wife with her Surface Laptop 2 uses the touchscreen from time to time, for quick brush edits in images, or selecting options while lying in bed. It is not ergonomic from desktop postures, but it is MORE ergonomic in certain situations. So yeah what you describe is evidence that they are planning to release a touchscreen Mac.
I actually find the menu items frustratingly small on a 4K iMac, especially with the trackpad. Also can’t the Magic Trackpad do the multitouch thing for iOS apps? That said you’ve convinced me
Everyone around the _actual_ Big Sur says the last bit more like the English “Sir” - it’s such a beautiful place, you can drive a road above the clouds and see them stretch on forever 😍
After watching “Design for the iPadOS pointed” WWDC20, I suspect Apple may want to bring “adaptive precision” to macOS but not necessarily a touch UI at first. I could really see this type of of pointer behavior making the Magic Trackpad nicer to use on Mac.
@@Silver_x86 I was highlighting the "infallibility" of Steve Jobs by some of the Apple faithful by taking the quote out of context and making a joke along the way. Sorry if it came off as misinformed.
The video appears to me to admit Jobs was right in not allowing a touch screen to become the primary interface and yet was wrong by not allowing a touch screen to become a supplemental interface. In other words Jobs was both 100% right and 100% wrong.
Win8 failed due to their forceful shift while expunging a lot functionality. I personally liked Win8 for it's vision, but I hated that they handicapped a lot of basic operations. Ironically, even in win10 there's handicapping BUT it's easier to get around. It's a learning moment that Apple can clearly learn from and pivot on how to do it correctly :o
I love the contents your produce ! So insightful ! As far as I'm concerned, I don't like touch input for desktop or laptop computing. I am convinced it slows down the process and I never liked machine with touchscreen (battery life issues, miss clicks and so on). I prefer Windows approach of the touchscreen, desktop computing requires mouse input so they keep the ergonomics for the mouse. With Big Sur, Apple is shifting away from the mouse and as a result, shifting away from desktop users. Anyhow, you're doing an amazing work !
That is actually the reason why I've never owned a touchscreen laptop aside from the fact that a bug lands on it and it's receiving false inputs, my wrist/arm hurts in a short span of time and it usually isn't the best means of input. It can be nice to have though, I mainly like the added build quality and screen clarity, though it's one more thing to crack and it adds extra weight.
Surface Book owner here thinking the same, a switch would be possible if Apple makes a similar hw device. Still looking forward to see what MS is cooking with Windows 10X.
My guess is that Apple is lowering standards. Big Sewer design is really similar to website design,( where mobile views matters more /the same as desktop view) and right now the rules of UX/UI are heavily influenced by it. So the people responsible for Big Sur design simple "followed the design rules" and made a view very similar to a website. It's pretty but not the most effective.
Okay you actually convinced me. Here's my new theory - The new iMac will be running Apple silicon and have an adjustbale angle like the Microsoft surface. And Apple Pencil support.
Well you've convinced me, Mac Pro Touch incoming! Direct competitor to the Surface Studio, Macbook Touch and Macbook Pro Touch - detachable, Surface Book styles!
I was about 70% sure that this would be a clickbait video. Still opened it and was amazed with detailed explanation. Very good content. Subbing. Keep up the good work!
Touchscreen really? Now imagine a 27" retina display covered with sweat, dirt and oily spots, just like your phone! Even with stylus it's an absurd to me. Just NO!
I've done a lot of video and photo editing... This causes me to be very anal about picture quality and things being as close to right as possible. Part of this is not seeing dirt on my screen........ When people touch my screen to point at something, sometimes I legit snap and yell at them, cause it's such a pet peeve... I hate touching screens... This is why I can't make myself buy a modern phone or ipad >,< lol
XSquibX It’s much easier to wipe off a smartphone than a laptop screen. Every time I clean my laptop screen I feel like the hinge is going to snap, or the screen is going to bend.
What I want to know is where is my air play from Mac to ATV 4 k ! Call support they were clueless about it . The control center does not work well for mirroring my iMac to ATV4k . Hard to connect and disconnect when done mirroring to ATV .
8:15 the WiFi switch button breaks apples catalyst guidelines as well. Edit: I don’t think Apple is preparing for touchscreen macs, I think they’re preparing for touch-space Apple Glasses.
as well as gesture controls... they are very much in support of accessibility on Mac. Formatting the Mac OS layout more like iOS makes this easier for a lot of people to navigate.
Currently, if you are not on a late enough version of MacOS, some web applications will not install or run. What if we want to avoid Big Sur, would we be eventually still have to to remain useable? Would certain mac applications downloaded from the web not be able to run at all, or have to redesign? How would this affect the mac pro?
Words are EXPENSIVE ~ each one spends the hearers attention until they are no longer listening. This is why less has always been more in the ART of communication.
Honestly, it's this image that keeps Apple from adding touchscreens on Macs and for a long time kept them from adding cursor support to the iPad. They don't want to make it a "meh" experience, and for all the reasons Quinn outlined here, they may not be able to get it perfect. I think it'd still be pretty excellent though.
The sliders in the control center are fine so we can have better control when sliding them. If they were shorter you would only have for example no sound or loud sound.
He is pronouncing Sur right if you consider it is a spanish word, it’s closer in sound to Soup than it is to Surf, it’s actually just like soup but with an R at the end.
It’s gonna be the biggest thing since Windows 8! Macs have the best trackpads in the universe. It’s a shame we won’t have precise stuff to precisely click on anymore...
Imagine if they allowed you to switch to a macOS environment on the iPad Pro, suddenly it goes from the most expensive iPad to the cheapest portable mac. That would be interesting, though 4-6GB limiting under a full windowed OS perhaps.
@@Josias.mp3 go try running a VM on a PC with 4 GB of ram and see how amazing the user experience is. Plus mouse and keyboard optimised apps would be basically unusable with touch only.
@@johnm91326 Not a VM any more than Crouton is a VM, since they share much of the same codebase it's more like a different shell. And while I wouldn't do dev work on 4-6GB of RAM, it's still usable for casual use, and would make for the cheapest new portable mac. "Plus mouse and keyboard optimised apps would be basically unusable with touch only." Which would be why this is mostly for the bevy of keyboards and trackpads out there you can now use with the iPad.
That was what I was expecting... When you get an iPad Pro and add the Magic Keyboard to it then it turns out to be as expensive as a laptop. Given the UX changes and the power within the “pro” it would seem like a natural step. I don’t know why Apple didn’t make the Pro an optional development environment rather than having only the Mac Mini. I get that the Mini is cheaper to make and for some dev shops that price point is important but there are a lot of iPad Pros out there that could have done the job.
Me, touchscreen laptop from HP: :/ it’d change barely anything, you could just tap the screen to click, because they’d obviously keep the trackpad and the keyboard, and the mouse compatibility.
Considering how there are still many iPhone apps still not optimized for iPad, and how even lots of iPad-optimized apps still only work in portrait, my guess is that many apps that aren’t tweaked for the new systems might run, but won’t offer a great experience. That issue has existed with iPads ever since day one and it still hasn’t gone away, so why should I expect it to be better on new touch Macs?
Maybe somethings cooking up for the TRACKPADS, like new touch screen or gestures enabled trackpad, or say trackpad using apple pencil(tim talked about this)
Great video. But crap, I don't want the full ios app catalog on my mac AppStore. I hope at least they will let you find apps specially designed for macOS easily.
I almost never write comments due to the fact, how can one, filter through thousands of comments? Unless you have a dedicated team helping you with that, not sure if that is the case, I’d say it’s a very hard thing to do. So it would almost be like talking to yourself. However, I’d say this is one of your best works on reviews. I am sorry but some of what you say, others reviewers said before, some it’s kinda like obvious and some videos are just ok. But sometimes you just wake up with the perfect ideas in regards something and write about them, even if it’s on a course of a few days. You nailed almost everything about it. I am not saying you don’t put your heart into your work on the other videos. What I am saying is that this one clearly is one of your best pieces and I must commend you for that. You also made a good point when you went on your Time Machine and showed us Steve Jobs’ words in regards ergonomics referring to a Mac only touch screen (which he was right - sorry - if that’s the only way, like him, I do believe your arm would fall off just by touching the screen and back to the keyboard hundreds or thousands of times a day) and then you made a perfect point that the interface should be some sort of a hybrid, kinda like Microsoft which it’s very hard to do (not implying they have the best way of interacting w both in anyway, perhaps they’re also in that same learning curve), the way Apple does thing. ‘Just right’. Even if it takes a bit to get it right but end up perfecting it. In this one, I can say you put your heart into it and took your time reviewing it with outstanding points not raised by any of the other major reviewers. Congratulations.
10:23 you could also use a Magic Trackpad to multitouch and have a cursor like the iPad's which adjusts it's size and shape to fit the buttons it's trying to press. Looking forward to touch Macs.
Yes and no. Some of the background definitely made it over. But given the X86 nature of OSX (until Apple puts their own silicon in Macs soon) there’s still major differences. It’s not that simple
Great detective work. And indeed, since all iPad applications will be available by default, and a lot of them need multitouch, that indeed is the deciding factor for a company that insists on quality in its products! I think you've nailed it.
You hinted at it. Imagine a 27" ipad pro with a stand similar to the surface studio from MS. Apple should keep the same ppi for the monitor. This could be used for designers (including cad), artists, photographers, and videographers. This would be the new iMac Pro with the new Apple Silicon (for a thinner monitor).
Question: how do you delete a file or all backup versions of that file in time machine running Big Sur? No one seems to know that once you enter time machine, the delete function is no longer available...
Yeah, great idea! I'll just use that third hand I keep in my pocket for scenarios like this. Now I finally get to use that arm for my second mouse! Yay!
I have a friend who can use a mouse in one hand and a graphics tablet in the other at the same time, we always joked we should get him a trackball he could use with his feet (he can draw with his feet.)
That is a very minor drawback for being able to touch things instead of using your trackpad. Once I used my 2in1 Hp, i mostly use the touch screen for casual browsing, and trackpad for more precise activities. My RSI fingers enjoy being able to have the option as well.
@@donrobe5281 I literally snap at people if they touch my screen when pointing... I can't stand fingerprints on my screen............. this is also why I don't have a typical modern phone or ipad.. lol
Same. I mainly use a Macbook Pro and a 5k iMac but also have a Chromebook (converts to a tablet) I play with and it's always covered in smudges - my daughter gets it especially grubby playing games. Fingerprints on the 5k would drive me nuts lol.
I have a Mac Pro with a fast graphics card, dual 3.33 cpus, 48 gig ram, and tons of storage along with usb-c connections. Will this new so work on my system?
If you listen carefully, he doesn't say the "e" sound at all, he just says "exp" and then realised he missed a line from his script so had to correct it. Not that big of a deal.
the point of having a touch screen on a laptop is so that you can easily use touch based apps on a laptop. there isn't really a need for it. it'd just nice to have not everything is easier to do with a mouse.
@@dominicskywalker Well I had a Windows laptop with touch screen few years ago and I barely used the touch screen. I don't know why, but it felt "wrong" and slower than using mouse, keyboard and keyboard shortcuts. And the awful fingerprints on the screen... No, thanks :)
whattabout a 360degree hinge?In my opinion more functionality is better than less and there should be one appleos with variably supported elements according to specific devices. iPhones should be able to cast this appleos onto big displays (like Samsung Dex).
It would be perfect, a convertible MBP could run like a mac when docked and run like an iPad when undocked. With the ARM chips, it would have very good battery life and if a battery was in the keyboard and the screen section, would have over 24 hours of battery life.
Apple will never have touch screen Macs. What’s going to happen is that the iPad Pro will eventually run Mac OS once everything switches to there own silicon.
The iPad won't run Mac OS - they've put in so much time into iPadOS. They're going to create separate OS' but they will become so similar it will feel like one OS.
Looks like the new MacBooks will let you use your ARMs. Get it? Anyone?
Lol
Leave... now!
Yeah we get it. Here's your like.
Symbiosis of your arms and their ARMs.
Lol 😂
You missed an opportunity to title this video "macOS's big surcret"
Take my like and have a nice day.
竜司 That’s better
@竜司 nailed it! 🤣
Oh no
He can rename if he wanted to.
Are you merging MacOS and IOS
"NO"
proceeds to merge MacOS and IOS even switch from intel to ARM
They said that at the last WWDC before iPadOS was announced, so they wouldn't have to answer "Are you merging MacOS and iPadOS?"
@@DuaneMoody990 I hope you are just so bad at trolling? It's iOS on iPads / iPods as well...
@@kontoname iPadOS is Apple making changes to the implementation of iOS on iPads: a genuine filesystem, support for wireless mice, etc.
Then again, things change in two years.
lol
As soon as I saw that updated UI I said “ohhhh this looks touchable!”
Fake news.
Me too
It almost made me cringe when I saw people using the cursor in the new Mac OS, and I dont even use a single apple product.
They might possibly made a touch screen MacBook
Watching this is like watching a homicide detective story
Edit: Thanks for the heart Quinn
I'd say it's better.
Let's hope it wasn't mac os who was killed...
I was thinking the same thing🤣
IT PAINS ME - how close you are but also how you seem to be missing the point . YOUR IPAD PRO IS YOUR NEW MACBOOK WITH OSX
I discovered this years ago with touch-screen Chromebooks. Sometimes you would use the trackpad (or mouse). Sometimes you would touch the screen. Hands and arms seemed to make the choice without thinking about it. Very enjoyable experience.
“Run all iOS apps directly on macOS, no work required.”
Meanwhile, Instagram on iPad is just a little phone app within a black void around 70% of the screen.
Oh god that looks so bad thinking about
Josh Unwin ikr but thats bcuz of Instagram not Apple
@@tij9190 mostly yeah but Android will automatically scale apps to make use of the screen size even if the dev hasn't optimised it so it is possible for Apple to do better.
Josh Unwin true
@@JoshUnwin android has a huge advantage in such ways but it makes the app buggy at times cause we have to optimise it . Also don't forget whatsapp 🤣🤣.
1:25 "We love the mac, because its expen- we love macos"..
What was that Craig Federighi, Apple's senior vice president of Software Engineering department?
explicit replaced expensive lol
hahahhaha he wanted to tell the truth so badly. omg, thanks for sharing!
"We love the Mac, because it it expensive, so we get to make a whole whack ton of money!"
-What Craig was thinking
Lmao
Lmaooo
This is like running the old iPhone apps on iPad, where they would have to be scaled with that weird 2x button, but worse.
They really need a "I'm not gonna touch it, please just give me some information density back" option.
I'm so bothered by Apple's incessant push toward less and less information density. It's making smaller devices less useable
Honestly, I praised apple for making their interfaces more dense, because when I use a computer with a mouse/touchpad and a keyboard. Big Sur is a fucking joke.
@Jade L have you realized it lowers display quality smh
They just need a touch mode toggle like tablet mode on Windows 10 to solve this
the dumbing down of tech
@Mario Bad UX is scrolling 4x as often to see the same content.
Oh boy, I can't wait for giant browser UIs that take up half the screen so that I can get the _full grandma experience._ 🤦♀️🤷♀️
ゴミクズ人Violet We’ve been getting the full Grandma Experience on mobile for years. :-(
That does seem annoying. Firefox has an adaptable UI that enlarges elements when in tablet mode. I think Apple should look into that.
Windows is better than mac os and ios is better than android in tablet/pad department and ios and android similar in phone department
@@shariful3844 that's largely subjective, I was using windows all my life until 2-3 years ago when i got my macbook and i never realised how much i dislike using windows before I got the feel of macos. People like u need to stop trying to find an answer to which os is better cause at the end of the day it comes down to what each of us wants in an os.
@@hira6481 Until a few years back I wasn't primarily on an open-source system. Now here I am using Manjaro because I wanted a braindead-simple Arch-based system with my desktop of choice, which through the power of -friendship- community they provide. Tired of Microsoft selling me by the parcel and too poor for Apple, I do the next-best thing and dual-boot an OS of choice alongside Windows when I need it.
I thought he was going to say, "We love the Mac, because it's expensive."
He was going to say that, he stopped himself in time tho
EXACTLY.
It is because it is secure and powerful
Although I use 2 iPads and one Mac for animation
Expens- *ehm* explicit
I don't need a Macbook that I can use with my finger... Macs have one of the greatest trackpad out there on the market... Why should I lift my arm up to tip the screen?! I don't get it...
Because it will make sense with some apps. Hope you'll get it at some point.
@@Macorian This is my personal opinion. iPads for finger control, macs for mouse and keyboard...
cuz im changing positions
Macorian different types of hardware should have apps that are optimised for that hardware. Hope you’ll get it at some point.
Agreed, Mac trackpad feels like touch without the fingers on screen.
Don’t you just love UA-cam’s auto-generated subtitles?
“Mac OS Big Sewer”
😂
that's actually correct.
well if he pronounced it normally, "Sir" like "Surf" without the F... maybe UA-cam wouldn't nail the weird pronunciation with it's apparently spot-on auto-generated subtitles.
Same happened with me
He keeps screwing up the pronunciation of Sur. He continuously says "sewer" every time. It's not UA-cam's fault. It's his.
“armed Mac users” xd 10:04
Now it seems these UI changes were in preparation for the new "spacial computing" in the VisionOS and such
The second I saw them show the control center I was like “sooooo it’s just a touch control scheme now?”
And the increased padding between icons and menu items as well. So damn obvious that it's an interface optimized for touch.
Yep immediately thought “ah okay touch screens coming to Mac”
Courage, my friend, courage
Yeah it was obvious, also the fact that everything is shaped like a button now.
i had teh same feeling
“Less than perfect cursor implementation is better than no cursor implementation at all”, where the heck is iPad calculator app???
VeeAyDee Mkbhd has an interview with Craig and he explains that.
Peter Schumacher hahaha yeah it’s such a dumb explanation, I just want one that can be easily accessed from the control panel! I don’t care about Apple making a “great” calculator!
...AND the Weather app???
@@thatpitter He didn't "explain" anything. He came up with an excuse on the spot because the real reason is that there isn't one. They just never got to it because it slipped their mind.
@@DavidParker There is a bunch free app in appstore with calculator for widget area.
This is one of the few UA-cam videos which has been visually very appealing. The subtle blue background is stunning, your T-shirt conpliments the whole vibe. Awesome work, brother.
Thanks, dude!
Schiller: "It's common denominator thinking"
*2 years later...*
Apple's PR team: yikes
Even when I've had a touchscreen laptop, I've never used the touchscreen functionality. To me, touch functionality should be left for devices that are held in the hand like tablets and phones.
It is a comfort feature.
Err.. or for screens that can go (almost) horizontal. :)
As he said in the video, to have touch as the *only* input - yes, bad. But to just have it there as "option" - there are times when a scroll, a swipe is much easier than using the mouse.
I have a laptop with touch screen and I use it all the time
I wish they did something like the Microsoft studio and support Apple Pencil. Would be the dream.
What Steve said is always misrepresented. He was talking about having a touch screen that needed a stylus to work. That’s what he was against.
No, he actually said both. The stylus comment was during the launch op the first iPhone (2007). The comment regarding touch screen on desktops, as shown in this video, was much later in 2010/2011
@@egyptik The world has changed so much since 2011. I bet if he were alive today he would actively support the Apple pencil.
@@MisterRandom101 So, in essence, a hypocrite?
@@rishabhbaidya9494 no…? What Steve said was relevant to the times. He said he didn’t
Ike music streaming but back then music streaming was slow, expensive, and had poor quality. Now it’s much faster, cheaper, and that allows people to have more permanent music library. He was against a stylus in iPad because back then a pencil could only do as much as a finger could do, but now the Apple Pencil allows for sensitivity, and many more options. He was against a touchscreen on laptops because back then you would have to reach up to the screen to use it, but now laptops can fold in multiple directions. Times change, obviously Steve would approve if he was around to see it.
Yuck... that spacing is horrendous. I really hope they offer us a Compact Density setting...
I'm sure there will be 3rd party tools if Apple doesn't that make the spacing more compact. I don't know if it's because MacOS is just really easy for developers to make customizations like that or because the MacOS market that is willing to spend money on apps is so large that developers find a way to do the impossible so often anyway.
your face
settings? on an apple product?
@@NicheAsQuiche Of course MacOS has lots of settings. It even lets you swap modifier keys and swap caps lock with the esc key. You'd need 3rd party software to do that on Windows (or at least without having to use PowerShell commands)
@@NicheAsQuiche Settings on iOS, lol in your dreams.
Interesting theory but you’re forgetting a lot of users input device for their Macs is the built in trackpad or the Magic Track Pad. Which does much to give the same interaction feel of the iPhone and iPad.
I think he's the only one that pronounces it "Big Sewer" 😅
Sur is a Spanish word that means "South". He is pronouncing it like it is pronounced in Spanish. The way you pronounce it sounds like "Sir".
@@tqjoriam True - however, the correct (i.e. Californian) pronunciation is "Big Sir"
tqjoriam Cool, learnt something new - I’m from Namibia 🇳🇦, not much Spanish speaking here.
@@tqjoriam It'a also a French word meaning 'on'. "Sur la table".
tqjoriam There is a Turkish word for "Sur" as well. It means "huge walls of the castle". 😊
There’s also the third option: macOS on iPad Pros.
Very likely to me
I've had no interest in iPad Pro yet, but if this happens, I'll be among the first on the queue.
Espen Fredrick or make ipad os a half and half of macos and ios
No need to completely let them converge. Just allow all Mac Apps (including Terminal) to run on iPadOS.
Never gonna happen
"Lifting my arm up & down is ergonomically terrible"
...every wife after the 1st year of marriage
I don't need a Macbook that I can use with my finger... Macs have one of the greatest trackpad out there on the market... Why should I lift my arm up to tip the screen?! I don't get it...
Even on your birthday?
Underrated
"its not perfect ....... but its better than nothing."
why isn't that sad🤷♀️🤷♀️
ewww
Apple in a sentence
cat -.- there are a lot of tech companies you could say match that statement before apple
@@cat-.- have my like, if i could give you two, i would.
That's Apples new marketing slogan
The UA-cam captions say “macOS Big Sewer”
because thats how he keeps pronouncing it...
I thought thats what it was called.
Well he ain't wrong, partner.
UA-cam knows the truth
I have an iPad pro 2015 and have had a pencil & keyboard since launch - i’m typing from it now, actually. I got a mouse a few years later once one was offered for use in remote desktop sessions. I love my MacBook Pro, it replaced my iPad as a primary remote work device in late 2017; but one thing I constantly try and do while using it is touch a line to start typing on, “click” something, or when I want to address a typo. It’s very difficult with how often I switch back and forth to not look for a trackpad on my iPad and want to touch my MacBook screen.
7:43 Apple breaks his own human interface guidelines with the wifi switch
Not any more. They've added iOS style switches to the macOS Human Interface Guidelines, under "Buttons"
Which they've already been breaking with the Night Shift and Do Not Disturb switches in the notifications bar.
@@MarioAtheonio i think they aimed to make Sidecar look better but they really should have made a setting so that the big spacing and big buttons only show up when using sidecar and not all the time on macbooks etc
1:24 "We love the Mac because it's expen-" You were going to say expensive, weren't you? .-.
Yes
Is he being sarcasm or just a real mistake?
JCDMAN23 I hope sarcastic
Here is the thing: What if the iPad Pro gets MacOS support? Like, think they have the same SoC now, then instead of changing iPadOS to fit the needs of professionals.
"It's not perfect, but is better than nothing"
Laughs in iPhone 12 not coming with a charger
Better than nothing in a box.
@@nazimali7942 that's for iPhone 13
What about iphone 14 you may ask? The box starts at $100, the phone starts at $2000 and the charger start at $300
I already have a drawer full of iPhone and USB chargers, what do I need another one for?
@@guspaz you might already have a drawer full of iphones too. why would you want another one 😂
When I was using a touch screen on windows and an iPhone, I found a started touching the screen automatically when using a MacBook.
It was like trying to “click” the trackpad on a Windows machine after using a Mac several years ago (when Windows machines always had buttons below the trackpad for left/right click)
I'm the other way. Fingerprints are my worst nightmare on my laptop screen
They have a damn flush glass screen that screams I'm a touch screen!
@@HAWXLEADER right!
Just having an iPad, I’ve found myself at work wondering why the monitor wasn’t responding to my touch as well on my MacBook at home, now and then!
"like windows 10, but not crap", lol nice one there😂
W10 is trying to be as bad as crapintosh is ie: They fuck over your customers every possible way and remove control from them as much as possible
Its also funny that this comes along as a new upgrade of Winbloze meanwhile such isn't even an OS.. it's a service and a very very bad one at that.
Also note crapintosh would be fucked so royally it wouldn't be funny if all of the creators of the underlying *nix code prohibited it from being used by crapintosh (much of that code is in their arm based code as well)
(Now edited on a real keyboard instead of the nightmare pos wifi mini kbd I was stuck using at the time of the original post. UGH I swear when the replacement arrives that pos is going to the range to make a nice target for some 9mm goodness.)
I understood that he meant more of (not crap mac iOS), like now the nonsense merging between macOS and iPadOS. A detachable iPad that is not crap. Windows is actually doing fantastic converting between laptop and a tablet ahead of time.
@@kindanyume ...what?
what didnt u understad? that w10 is trying tp f over the dolts that use it as much if not worse than crapintoshs victims?
or that if all of the contribs that are used for free in the underlyng structure that osx relies on were revoked then crapintosh would be royally fuked..
or the part that win10 is NOT an OS it is a service..
you mistake migrating crap from one platform to another as a good thing when in reality the fact remains its still crap regardless
They should really think about their target groups... Both PC and Mac are meant for professionals / power users. Keep the slow and often less effective touchscreen for the normal user. You need to write fast / a lot? Use a Keyboard. Mouses are also superior on large screen with lots of content. Touch makes no sense on a PC / Mac.
I almost never use the touchscreen on my laptop. I wish I could have bought it without a touchscreen.
For coding and writing that is certainly true. It can be useful for audio engineering if you have a lot of sliders IF the sliders are designed well. That being said I don't use the touchscreen much on my Dell Precision laptop and do use it on iPad Pro, shrug.
Touchscreen is nice to have, but not necessary. I use it for scrolling and some apps like Netflix. It is faster and easier than trackpad. However, i will not buy apple product until they improve multitasking and window management. Like cmd tab should show all browser windows with preview, like Windows and window snapping is a must have.
When you’re using a touchscreen on a laptop don’t people put their elbow on a desk like a pivot when using it? Instead of having your whole arm in the air?
Haha. Yes.
I generally sit my laptop on my lap.
still tiring
Still not ideal. That's why I did not like iPad for working. Now that they allow mouse input the experience is much better.
what is that game at 3:30 i remember playing it years ago.
Stardew Valley
Touch Macs? Oh boy, I'll pass!
I retired my 2014 15" MacBook Pro when the iPad Pro 11" first came out, and just recently bought a budget Ryzen Lenovo 2-in-1 and I love both devices and use them frequently.
That being said, I never wanted or use the pen and touch features on my Lenovo, or use my iPad with a stand/keyboard. A touch-enabled Mac sounds like a thing I am absolutely not interested in.
Touch on desktop is also dumb to me when I can just use the mouse, there is however a few of use cases including drawing/ios apps. long time ipad user as well and I really believe in dedicated hardware
Occasional gestures on the screen could be very useful. Think about zooming in and out on maps (or 3D/virtual models). Sometimes just a few multi-touches on the screen gives a lot more control. ... But as soon as Macs get touch, you know users will ask for a 360-hinge -- or a detachable henge. I could see this evolution getting to a 360 degree hinge, but it just seems absurd to have both Mac and iPadOS tablets. ......... Could there eventually be a unified AppleOS -- one that customized its interface to the device it was running on?
I like your idea of a touch screen laptop that can be separated and run as a tablet on its own. In tablet mode it would convert to iPad os and in laptop mode it’d be Big Sur or whatever they call it.
I've been enjoying productivity and making content with Surfaces since 2015 (Pro 3 and Book). You really hit the nail when you said that having the OPTION to use the touchscreen is the way to go... even my wife with her Surface Laptop 2 uses the touchscreen from time to time, for quick brush edits in images, or selecting options while lying in bed. It is not ergonomic from desktop postures, but it is MORE ergonomic in certain situations.
So yeah what you describe is evidence that they are planning to release a touchscreen Mac.
You made me smile after you started playing the keynote with Craig and kept going haha massive like!
Finally original thoughtful content which is not just a regurgitation of all reviews which all suck.
I actually find the menu items frustratingly small on a 4K iMac, especially with the trackpad. Also can’t the Magic Trackpad do the multitouch thing for iOS apps?
That said you’ve convinced me
Just because it has iOS apps doesn't mean it will have a touch screen. Just look at chromeboks 😂😂
Everyone around the _actual_ Big Sur says the last bit more like the English “Sir” - it’s such a beautiful place, you can drive a road above the clouds and see them stretch on forever 😍
After watching “Design for the iPadOS pointed” WWDC20, I suspect Apple may want to bring “adaptive precision” to macOS but not necessarily a touch UI at first. I could really see this type of of pointer behavior making the Magic Trackpad nicer to use on Mac.
So good. Spot on 👏
"Jobs was wrong."
- Snazzy Labs
He's been wrong dozens of times, if anyone ever did a little research, that is.
"Einstein was wrong."
- Sam Witwicky
Famous Last Words.
@@Silver_x86 I was highlighting the "infallibility" of Steve Jobs by some of the Apple faithful by taking the quote out of context and making a joke along the way. Sorry if it came off as misinformed.
The video appears to me to admit Jobs was right in not allowing a touch screen to become the primary interface and yet was wrong by not allowing a touch screen to become a supplemental interface. In other words Jobs was both 100% right and 100% wrong.
I would laugh if Schiller blocks Quinn after this video 😂
Seems like Apple is having a Windows 8 moment.
This surely won't work out well for powerusers.
you have to work on your analogies dude. it aint crackin
I highly doubt that it will be nearly as bad as windows 8 lol, it probably won't be as bad as windows 10 either
Win8 failed due to their forceful shift while expunging a lot functionality. I personally liked Win8 for it's vision, but I hated that they handicapped a lot of basic operations. Ironically, even in win10 there's handicapping BUT it's easier to get around.
It's a learning moment that Apple can clearly learn from and pivot on how to do it correctly :o
I love the contents your produce ! So insightful ! As far as I'm concerned, I don't like touch input for desktop or laptop computing. I am convinced it slows down the process and I never liked machine with touchscreen (battery life issues, miss clicks and so on). I prefer Windows approach of the touchscreen, desktop computing requires mouse input so they keep the ergonomics for the mouse. With Big Sur, Apple is shifting away from the mouse and as a result, shifting away from desktop users. Anyhow, you're doing an amazing work !
That is actually the reason why I've never owned a touchscreen laptop aside from the fact that a bug lands on it and it's receiving false inputs, my wrist/arm hurts in a short span of time and it usually isn't the best means of input. It can be nice to have though, I mainly like the added build quality and screen clarity, though it's one more thing to crack and it adds extra weight.
Really interesting. I've been doubting if I should move to Apple's ecosystem, and this definitely helps.
Does it make you go to apple or the other way around ?
I would wait till september before making a decision (personally)
Me too after macos big sur i want to change from windows to mac since i have ipad pro and iphone
I wouldnt bother. Iphones are pretty trash. Ipad pro isnt tho
Surface Book owner here thinking the same, a switch would be possible if Apple makes a similar hw device. Still looking forward to see what MS is cooking with Windows 10X.
My guess is that Apple is lowering standards. Big Sewer design is really similar to website design,( where mobile views matters more /the same as desktop view) and right now the rules of UX/UI are heavily influenced by it.
So the people responsible for Big Sur design simple "followed the design rules" and made a view very similar to a website. It's pretty but not the most effective.
big sewer LOL
@Mario yeah that's why I don't understand mobile-esque appearance. Looks something taken of a Dribbble or Medium
Okay you actually convinced me. Here's my new theory - The new iMac will be running Apple silicon and have an adjustbale angle like the Microsoft surface. And Apple Pencil support.
But what for?
The iMac Pro definitely could get Apple Pencil..
you got 2/3
Well you've convinced me, Mac Pro Touch incoming! Direct competitor to the Surface Studio, Macbook Touch and Macbook Pro Touch - detachable, Surface Book styles!
I am still with steve on this one. No stylus and no touch macbook. Thank you
I was about 70% sure that this would be a clickbait video. Still opened it and was amazed with detailed explanation. Very good content. Subbing. Keep up the good work!
Cheers!
Touchscreen really? Now imagine a 27" retina display covered with sweat, dirt and oily spots, just like your phone! Even with stylus it's an absurd to me. Just NO!
@ A matte screen will still pick up fingerprints and will get scratched.
I've done a lot of video and photo editing... This causes me to be very anal about picture quality and things being as close to right as possible. Part of this is not seeing dirt on my screen........ When people touch my screen to point at something, sometimes I legit snap and yell at them, cause it's such a pet peeve... I hate touching screens... This is why I can't make myself buy a modern phone or ipad >,< lol
XSquibX It’s much easier to wipe off a smartphone than a laptop screen. Every time I clean my laptop screen I feel like the hinge is going to snap, or the screen is going to bend.
Milen Z don’t necessary mean the whole screen with be touchscreen.
Baby Magnum it also seems like the fingerprints never come off
USB C port destruction at 1:53 :D
What I want to know is where is my air play from Mac to ATV 4 k ! Call support they were clueless about it . The control center does not work well for mirroring my iMac to ATV4k . Hard to connect and disconnect when done mirroring to ATV .
All Craig said was that they weren’t merging iOS and MacOS. He never said anything about not making touch screen laptops
8:15 the WiFi switch button breaks apples catalyst guidelines as well.
Edit: I don’t think Apple is preparing for touchscreen macs, I think they’re preparing for touch-space Apple Glasses.
matt winward - yes, like the different icons (including battery one). They are testing and adjusting AR glasses recognition for icons and interface 😎
you made it that far into the video?
Yeah.
as well as gesture controls... they are very much in support of accessibility on Mac. Formatting the Mac OS layout more like iOS makes this easier for a lot of people to navigate.
Currently, if you are not on a late enough version of MacOS, some web applications will not install or run. What if we want to avoid Big Sur, would we be eventually still have to to remain useable? Would certain mac applications downloaded from the web not be able to run at all, or have to redesign? How would this affect the mac pro?
Me after watching a few seconds: no, I don't think so.
Me after watching the whole video: damn, they really are doing it!
Haha cheers! Thanks for watching.
I saw this coming with the apple chips annouchment. Apple has been planning this for a while now.
No, they aren't.
This comment is meme-worthy.
Words are EXPENSIVE ~ each one spends the hearers attention until they are no longer listening. This is why less has always been more in the ART of communication.
Apple 1990s: “Think Different”
Apple 2020: “Not Perfect, But Better Than Nothing”
Apple's Think Different advertising slogan launched in 1997
Kim Neeper Rasmussen ok changed it
Honestly, it's this image that keeps Apple from adding touchscreens on Macs and for a long time kept them from adding cursor support to the iPad. They don't want to make it a "meh" experience, and for all the reasons Quinn outlined here, they may not be able to get it perfect. I think it'd still be pretty excellent though.
The sliders in the control center are fine so we can have better control when sliding them. If they were shorter you would only have for example no sound or loud sound.
Snazzy Labs: "macOS Big Sur"
UA-cam captions: "Big Sewer" got it
he keeps saying "sewer"... it's one syllable, "Sir" like "Surf" with no F
He is pronouncing Sur right if you consider it is a spanish word, it’s closer in sound to Soup than it is to Surf, it’s actually just like soup but with an R at the end.
impendio no you don’t say sour in Spanish
@@Todrick451 Exactly
@@drewthor That might be the reason, but he should pronounce it the way Craig Federighi does as "Big Sur"
It’s gonna be the biggest thing since Windows 8!
Macs have the best trackpads in the universe. It’s a shame we won’t have precise stuff to precisely click on anymore...
Well LCARS did on on ST:TNG and beyond.. how else are we to get to one OS utopia ;)
When will it get released?
Imagine if they allowed you to switch to a macOS environment on the iPad Pro, suddenly it goes from the most expensive iPad to the cheapest portable mac. That would be interesting, though 4-6GB limiting under a full windowed OS perhaps.
This is a terrible idea.
@@rohansampat1995 yet most people would want the option. Don't be an asshole
@@Josias.mp3 go try running a VM on a PC with 4 GB of ram and see how amazing the user experience is.
Plus mouse and keyboard optimised apps would be basically unusable with touch only.
@@johnm91326 Not a VM any more than Crouton is a VM, since they share much of the same codebase it's more like a different shell. And while I wouldn't do dev work on 4-6GB of RAM, it's still usable for casual use, and would make for the cheapest new portable mac.
"Plus mouse and keyboard optimised apps would be basically unusable with touch only." Which would be why this is mostly for the bevy of keyboards and trackpads out there you can now use with the iPad.
That was what I was expecting... When you get an iPad Pro and add the Magic Keyboard to it then it turns out to be as expensive as a laptop. Given the UX changes and the power within the “pro” it would seem like a natural step. I don’t know why Apple didn’t make the Pro an optional development environment rather than having only the Mac Mini. I get that the Mini is cheaper to make and for some dev shops that price point is important but there are a lot of iPad Pros out there that could have done the job.
Closed Caption On: "then we've got big sewer" 🤣
Drain the swamp! Make computing great again!
Me, touchscreen laptop from HP: :/ it’d change barely anything, you could just tap the screen to click, because they’d obviously keep the trackpad and the keyboard, and the mouse compatibility.
“Big Sewer”. 😂
𝗂 𝖼𝖺𝗅𝗅 𝗂𝗍 𝖻𝗂𝗀 𝗌𝗅𝗎𝗋
You missed an opportunity to title this video "macOS's big surcret"
"we love the mac because it's expensi..." 1:25 He almost slipped when revealing it was overpriced.
Hahaha yes
in his mind, i think he was going to say 'you love mac because it's expensive', and no one can make me think otherwise.
Is it though? The $999 Macbook Air is an amazing value
@@MaxOakland plus 699 for the Mac mini is fantastic considering how powerful it is with apple silicone
Although it’s apple, the price for the same specs for other computers definitely make macs seem less pricey in comparison
Considering how there are still many iPhone apps still not optimized for iPad, and how even lots of iPad-optimized apps still only work in portrait, my guess is that many apps that aren’t tweaked for the new systems might run, but won’t offer a great experience. That issue has existed with iPads ever since day one and it still hasn’t gone away, so why should I expect it to be better on new touch Macs?
Maybe somethings cooking up for the TRACKPADS, like new touch screen or gestures enabled trackpad, or say trackpad using apple pencil(tim talked about this)
Great video. But crap, I don't want the full ios app catalog on my mac AppStore. I hope at least they will let you find apps specially designed for macOS easily.
I almost never write comments due to the fact, how can one, filter through thousands of comments? Unless you have a dedicated team helping you with that, not sure if that is the case, I’d say it’s a very hard thing to do. So it would almost be like talking to yourself. However, I’d say this is one of your best works on reviews.
I am sorry but some of what you say, others reviewers said before, some it’s kinda like obvious and some videos are just ok.
But sometimes you just wake up with the perfect ideas in regards something and write about them, even if it’s on a course of a few days. You nailed almost everything about it. I am not saying you don’t put your heart into your work on the other videos. What I am saying is that this one clearly is one of your best pieces and I must commend you for that.
You also made a good point when you went on your Time Machine and showed us Steve Jobs’ words in regards ergonomics referring to a Mac only touch screen (which he was right - sorry - if that’s the only way, like him, I do believe your arm would fall off just by touching the screen and back to the keyboard hundreds or thousands of times a day) and then you made a perfect point that the interface should be some sort of a hybrid, kinda like Microsoft which it’s very hard to do (not implying they have the best way of interacting w both in anyway, perhaps they’re also in that same learning curve), the way Apple does thing. ‘Just right’. Even if it takes a bit to get it right but end up perfecting it. In this one, I can say you put your heart into it and took your time reviewing it with outstanding points not raised by any of the other major reviewers. Congratulations.
I'm sticking to Catalina for the moment.
1:25 "we love the mac cause its expe...... " good one.
10:23 you could also use a Magic Trackpad to multitouch and have a cursor like the iPad's which adjusts it's size and shape to fit the buttons it's trying to press.
Looking forward to touch Macs.
When Steve Jobs announced the iPhone he said it runs OS X. This is old news!
Yes and no. Some of the background definitely made it over. But given the X86 nature of OSX (until Apple puts their own silicon in Macs soon) there’s still major differences. It’s not that simple
@@noneofyourbuisness7 bro, you totally ruined a joke
@@noneofyourbuisness7 r/woosh
if there was a joke it wasn't funny
Great detective work. And indeed, since all iPad applications will be available by default, and a lot of them need multitouch, that indeed is the deciding factor for a company that insists on quality in its products! I think you've nailed it.
I’m not very tech literate and was wondering if the iOS and iPad apps will be available for download on the MacBook Air 2020?
Him: touchscreen Mac are coming
Me: looks at my XP’s 13 hackintosh with airbar
Man, this was an *excellent* deduction. Well argued, very convincing.
Touch screen? It was my first comment 5 minutes after keynote.
Does Sidecar in Big Sur use the touchscreen as an input method yet? Without the apple pencil.
1:14 "We love the mac because it's expensive"
Lol, they sure do xD
You hinted at it.
Imagine a 27" ipad pro with a stand similar to the surface studio from MS. Apple should keep the same ppi for the monitor. This could be used for designers (including cad), artists, photographers, and videographers. This would be the new iMac Pro with the new Apple Silicon (for a thinner monitor).
Your open mind idea could be the one. That would be a real change!
Question: how do you delete a file or all backup versions of that file in time machine running Big Sur? No one seems to know that once you enter time machine, the delete function is no longer available...
"Mouse can't replicate multi-touch"
Well, use two mice.
there also is, you know, the trackpad...
Yeah, great idea! I'll just use that third hand I keep in my pocket for scenarios like this. Now I finally get to use that arm for my second mouse! Yay!
use 10
@@LEDmatrix or five mini-mouse at the tip of each fingers...
I have a friend who can use a mouse in one hand and a graphics tablet in the other at the same time, we always joked we should get him a trackball he could use with his feet (he can draw with his feet.)
I'm really precious about my desktop screen... the idea of smooshing my filthy fingers on it makes me anxious 😝
That is a very minor drawback for being able to touch things instead of using your trackpad. Once I used my 2in1 Hp, i mostly use the touch screen for casual browsing, and trackpad for more precise activities. My RSI fingers enjoy being able to have the option as well.
While it doesn't completely solve the problem, they'd probably add an oleophobic coating to the display if you were meant to touch it.
@@donrobe5281 I literally snap at people if they touch my screen when pointing...
I can't stand fingerprints on my screen............. this is also why I don't have a typical modern phone or ipad.. lol
Same here, when someone comes in my office and sticks their finger on my screen I lose my shit.
Same. I mainly use a Macbook Pro and a 5k iMac but also have a Chromebook (converts to a tablet) I play with and it's always covered in smudges - my daughter gets it especially grubby playing games. Fingerprints on the 5k would drive me nuts lol.
I have a Mac Pro with a fast graphics card, dual 3.33 cpus, 48 gig ram, and tons of storage along with usb-c connections. Will this new so work on my system?
"We love the Mac because it's Expe.... explicitly create to the uses of Mac hardware."
Sure, but we all know what you're thinking.
expensive
Forgot for a second there he wasn’t in a board meeting.
He was stuttering, that's all.
If you listen carefully, he doesn't say the "e" sound at all, he just says "exp" and then realised he missed a line from his script so had to correct it. Not that big of a deal.
Your arguments make sense however I still don't see the need of having a touch screen on a laptop.
Ask any windows touch screen user and they usually say that they will never go back.
The touch support even gives room to more creativity
the point of having a touch screen on a laptop is so that you can easily use touch based apps on a laptop. there isn't really a need for it. it'd just nice to have not everything is easier to do with a mouse.
@@dominicskywalker Well I had a Windows laptop with touch screen few years ago and I barely used the touch screen. I don't know why, but it felt "wrong" and slower than using mouse, keyboard and keyboard shortcuts. And the awful fingerprints on the screen... No, thanks :)
whattabout a 360degree hinge?In my opinion more functionality is better than less and there should be one appleos with variably supported elements according to specific devices. iPhones should be able to cast this appleos onto big displays (like Samsung Dex).
It would be perfect, a convertible MBP could run like a mac when docked and run like an iPad when undocked. With the ARM chips, it would have very good battery life and if a battery was in the keyboard and the screen section, would have over 24 hours of battery life.
Just like the I-Pad Pro and that keyboard that is optional, for when you want to type or use an touch pad.
Apple will never have touch screen Macs. What’s going to happen is that the iPad Pro will eventually run Mac OS once everything switches to there own silicon.
I also feel like they're moving towards a unified OS that adaptively scales depending on screen size and input method.
would that not make it a... touchscreen Mac...
The iPad won't run Mac OS - they've put in so much time into iPadOS. They're going to create separate OS' but they will become so similar it will feel like one OS.
Interesting comment and maybe the plan