Cosmonaut Variety Hour Doesn't Understand Batman v Superman
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2025
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A UA-camr by the name Cosmonaut Variety Hour made a video for his "Worst Superhero Movie Ever Made" series where he looked at Batman v Superman. In his video he looks at Man of Steel and Batman v Superman and explains why he thinks they suck. But he misrepresents and misunderstands several things in both movies. So I wanted to address some of these.
For Marcus
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Twin perfect did some great videos on BvS
You should also mention reel analysis' videos on bvs too, they are very insightful and i think hes going to make a big video on bvs when jl comes out.
Twin Perfect made the best defense of BvS and MoS
Add this one:ua-cam.com/video/IslGylvkjPE/v-deo.html
Good choices, especially Twin Perfect’s ones
Why is everyone putting Marcus’ name in quotation marks? It’s literally his name
Because it's not his UA-cam name and people know him as Cosmonaut Variety Hour. So people might not know who Marcus is if you don't specify his Channel's name.
unconfirmed alias
@@kindaokayname2691 why would marcus be a fake name? 😭😭
Cause it’s funneh.
Lmaoo this whole thing cracks me up
have to agree with cosmonaut on the war criminal stance. 90% of the world would have Batman's view on Superman. A space alien who could topple the very fabric of the world shows up randomly and brings massive destruction with him. Normal people would be terrified.
And a lot them were. Look how divisive he was in that movie.
"War criminal" or not, I don't think the people being saved by Superman would really care. At that moment, they're just trying not to drown or burn to death.
What 😂 the whole world would have been destroyed mate
Yeah maybe they were, but then they also see Superman save lives that would've been lost without him, he perform feats that no human could do to save lives. Don't you think that would change people's mind or at least reconsider their opinion about him. There is literally a montage of him performing the impossible all the while saving lives. And also don't you think it is likely that people saw Superman as someone who stopped aliens from destroying their world and terraforming it into a planet where humans can't survive.
Well the problem marcus had is that the Snyder interpretation of the characters were flawed and that is were most of his criticism comes with. Maybe if these characters weren't dc it could make sense, but the problem is Snyder doesn't do dc justice. Marcus just doesn't like man of steel or bvs from the start. However some of these problems seem to be fixed in the Snyder cut of justice league and shows the potential that could've been with the Snyder verse.
Its incredible how the counter point of each criticism almost entirely missed the main purpose of the critique. He was not saying MoS is OBJECTIVELY long, he was saying its length isn't JUSTIFIED given the plot and development of the film. His fundamental point wasn't that the magnitude of destruction didn't make sense , rather that why would Superman continually subject metropolis to this level of destruction ? He's pointing out the irony/paradox of that
Thank you, I completely agree.
Yes exactly thank you!
The guy who made this review was incredibly biased lol, you can tell when someone’s just a fanboy and the 6 year old in them got offended that you said their favorite superhero movie is ass. Terrible set up and pacing in this film. Wonder Woman was the only half-good DC title from the current existing series
All of that is false and it did NOT miss any point of his critique. He WAS saying MOS is objectively bad because it’s long
No it IS justified and his point WAS that the destruction didn’t make sense and he wasn’t saying the length isn’t justified and the plot and the development of t he film isn’t bad
marcus : *point out things that superman wouldn't do
you : learning experience
Exactly. Yes Superman is just learning to be his main self, but there are things that he has always inherently been. He has always been nice and he wouldn’t do something petty like destroy a dude’s truck. Would he get mad and emotional? Yes, but he wouldn’t go that far because he knows that’s wrong. Saying he’s learning to be better is not an excuse for bad characterisation
@@pennyomega7421 both of you are just proving the movie right.
@@SpiderJerk2000 because superman did things he would never do? lmaooo you're dumber than Tex
How@@SpiderJerk2000
@@SpiderJerk2000 Lol. If your "character arc" for your protagonist takes three movies to establish with a collective runtime of about 10 hours, you're counting on a level of investment that obviously wasn't there because they were just rebooted.
I like the detail of how cosmonauts thumbnail is from Superman’s perspective, and with Tex’s it’s Batman’s perspective on the thumbnail.
That is such a neat little touch. Not only shows the conflicting views but how Cosmonaut > Tex interms of subscribers and views like Superman > Bats in terms of power. Not saying one is better than the other though.
@@dr.boring7022 but in terms of intelligence, yk where I’m getting at…
Jkjkjk
@@dosomestuff1949 lmao
Its quaint when murderers fight
My man
I'm a really big cosmonaut fan and my opinion on the movie is very similar to his, but I do have to give you credit for this video. Stating your opinion without making fun of Marcus, insulting him or taking anything he said out of context (which is what most of these kind of videos do). I don't agree with many of your points but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Hats off and sorry for all the angry fanboy comments you're getting
I hate how Anonomly Incs videos on Cosmounaut make it out to be some villain for hating the prequels
@John Smith 😂
@@IcyDiamond yeah I like his counter arguments against cvhs points but usually bashes Marcus too much.
@@tannerbauserman5757 yeah agreed he comes out a bit to aggressive unlike Tex
@John Smith just because u understand a film better doesn’t make the film better😂
I'm a big cosmo fan, and I do like this video critiquing it. These comments tho man. Jesus.
Ik they're cancer
Did you see his new Harry Potter review that was awesome
Have seen the comments on his video? The amount of ridicule DC fans get from marvel fanboys or miserable people like Marcus have it way worse, I still remember the amount of memes DC was getting after infinity war came out and still is very much upsetting.
Honestly, I find Cosmonaut to be a toxic personality, who ruthlessly bashes and insults anyone who likes something that he doesn’t.
@@gbrogo7139 he says multiple times that everyone has their opinion and these are his opinions and point out how dumb the movies are from his perspective and its not like he would harass you for having a different opinion.🤦♀️
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the quote from Snyder about Batman being raped in prison, to me that’s the most damning piece of evidence. It’s clear to me that if Snyder is considering putting that in his movie to make it dark and gritty, then he’s not doing it to provide an interesting take on the character, he’s doing it to be edgy and it’s tasteless in my opinion.
I like most of your points and I don’t 100% agree with Marcus’s video either, but that interview shows me Snyder’s intentions with these movies and that’s why I can’t enjoy them.
Snyder is very bad at verbally expressing himself in public, he took that quote back and often takes criticism into account (his cut justice league is much less dark and gritty than b v s, he eliminated the lois x batman plotline from his plan) it's not the only one of his quotes where he says something w very colloquial language that gives the wrong his point. he was never gonna make batman get raped, in fact nothing even close to that level of brutality happens in any of his movies, they're edgy and gritty but when u think abt it nothing near that scale happens, he said (specially noticable if u read the full quote) that as a fuck u to the course marvel movies (and in consequence comic book movies) where taking, where nothing is consequential and anything mildly dramatic is played for jokes, and shit with how Whedon fucked jsl maybe he wasnt that wrong in wanting to make away with all that. Sadly he expressed his distaste for the marvel formula in the most brain dead way possible...
If Batman can get raped in prison, then Wonder Woman can get raped by Doomsday.
The Batman is literally a billion times edgier than Zack's films ever were lol
@@cargoshorts5666 wasn’t the point of this comment but ok
@@damnroger2739 interesting point, I could never find a video where he said that bc I wanted to have full context lol.
The fact that people argue about how a movie should be portrayed makes me realize about how right Pa Kent is in making sure no one knows about Clark. We can’t even agree about a movie, let alone finding there is an alien among us.
We as a population politicize every fucking thing. Just look at the hateful discourse online over the pandemic with social distancing and mask wearing. Or the fact that in this modern society most Americans actually hate immigrants and don't want other's invading "their" space. It's easy to see why a realistic take on Superman wouldn't be this happy go lucky Golden Retriever who isn't conflicted by prejudices he'd face at literally every turn.
Among us
Sorry I had to: ua-cam.com/video/6nkxWQKH4L8/v-deo.html
Replace Clark being A literal God like being with him being gay and it makes total sense why Pa Kent wanted to keep his secret hidden
People be gossiping and discriminatory
If they found out that this farmers son was different they'd alienate him and Pa Kent never wanted that for his boy he wanted Clark to like humans and not become the quiet kid
@@dacmshow6383 NO DONT SAT IT
Yo I just noticed about the thumbnail, because Marcus thumbnail is Superman perspective, Tex is responding with Batman perspective poster.
It’s a poetry it rhymes
The genius on par with the one of Zack Snyder
@@Cybersnake-he4zr ~ George Lucas ?
@@VirtualVisionStudiosOfficial Fun Fact: Zack actually takes influence from George Lucas. And George A. Romero. And John Boorman. And Frank Miller. And Stanley Kubrick.
@@greasycheese9050 What? No! I was just stating who he takes influence from or was inspired by. Every director has multiple inspirations. If you don't like his movies that's fine, but don't try forcing what is YOUR own opinion on others.
While I respect the views in this video, I do want to say that just because a lot of people don't like these movies and these versions of batman and superman, that does not mean that they misunderstand the movies. While Marcus exaggerated some of his points I do think he explained why DC fans would have problems with how Snyder uses them. Also comparing Clark to Jesus isn't any less lazy because it's been done before. It's kinda what makes it lazy.
Exactly, usually exaggeration is for comedy but I think his points still stand. I think a common defense for die-hard Snyderverse fans is to say people just don't understand, but sometimes you can just not like the direction the movie went in. He's a comic fan too so I think he has a good understanding of Batman and Superman. While I wanted to like this movie, I don't think it did either character justice, no pun intended.
@@jackroberts2704 well because their characters won't finished, what do you expect. Also I don't complain or when I do complain about where the movie is headed I don't exactly go into the comment section and try to destroy anybody who do like where the characters or wear a movie is at it, I just keep to myself and say I just don't like how this s*** is ended but some people they don't know how to do that they literally hunt you down just for thinking something else.
@@LordangeloxD you may not know the characters but of you fail to fully pay attention to the story then I dont know what to do for you, you said Superman didn't do anything heroic did you seriously mis like the quarter half of Superman saving people and fyi superman wasn't the one who destroyed a big chunk of the city and what do you except from two godlike beings fighting it's going to blow up shit, I can't believe you except there fight to be light. Also superman has being compared to and shown to be like Jesus or a god like being this isn't anything new. And for Batman his gritty his old, you may think cringe but that's you to be his feared and you may not know or like this but it goes to show just how misunderstood these movies are to the point people don't even what to understand these characters further proving my point that people let these stories fly over their heads, only to come to the comment section to make themselves look stupid. And what to know why they adore him cause his saves their lives G.
Actually he went further than just exaggerating, he lazily watched the film with a bias lens and missed huge clues in the movie. Example: the smoke grenade comment he neglected to mention the grenades had the symbol "Pb" the symbol for lead... so yeah Supes cant see through lead yet markus had to comment about how dumb and useless the grenades were when in fact it was pretty clever. But markus has a vendetta against Snyder(he admits it) and it prevents him from giving his films a proper review. Love the cosmo channel but gotta keep it real. Your welcome.
@@DietMtnDew ...that really doesn't change much. Your mansplaining needs some work
I agree with Marcus on two points for man of steel:
There should’ve been like 10 mins or so of him saving people either physically like the plane scene in iron man 3 or emotionally like a few moments the comics
The final fight scene could’ve been more visually contained and emotional investing .
I mean Zod is the man who killed Kal’s bio dad so I’d imagine there’d be a little more emotion and care. Maybe even banter about how Zod viewed Zor-el
He saved the world, a planet he's so emotionally invested in protecting that he calls it home despite being outmatched in terms of skill and experience. He was fighting for his life as well as those around him. Is the world not enough?
oh yeah, saving the goddamn world or showing those daily bugle employees being saved emotionally isn't enough. Smh just ignore Zod and let him chill rq and save some kids like what.
@@KazukiVA The Battle against Zod didn't need to last over an hour, they could have had Superman doing other hero stuff *before* Zod arrived
@@panpan1287 I mean sure if he wasn’t too busy being fucking captured. And there already is a scene of him doing hero shit, y’know when he saved that pilot, the kids on the bus, the tornado, and the oil rig? Theres fucking plenty, theres just no pleasing you people
I agree with some stuff but he kinda misunderstands Marcus’s points
Faxx
How so?
Yep
@@claytonveno3710 Like the point Marcus makes about John Kent saying "yes" to letting the kids die. Marcus's point wasn't that John actually said that he should've let the kids die it's that John even entertained the idea which is completely against how John Kent was in the comics. He would've never been mad at Clark for exposing himself if he was saving a bunch of kids.
Exactly
When he says the damage is apocalyptic level, world ending... it’s because the bad guys are trying to END THE WORLD!!!
It's also a stupid hyperbole. Not even a tenth of one city was destroyed.
If that counts as the apocalypse then the Chitauri attack also counts as the apocalypse.
And that's dumb
That was my first thought... It IS the end of the world
@@theawesomebat1244 And in Infinity war half the universe got in literal apocalypse because of Star Lord losing his shit and Thor putting his needs for revenge over his duty.
No one complained about the Russos not liking those characters then
@@theawesomebat1244 Well memes are always welcome.
I don't mind the Martha memes that much or the Batffleck f bomb memes.
But there's a difference between memeing something and hating on a director for that point to the point of creating faux political narratives against them
The only other time I've seen a director getting bullied from the internet in such a way, was when George Lucas made the phantom menace
@@theawesomebat1244 Yeah because obviously a freaking Groot series has more artistic integrity than a 4 hour Justice League epic 🙄🙄
Seriously I might be in the minority here but the Investor day announcements really disappointed me because fantastic 4 aside, they confirmed what I feared.
That the MCU is selling out now that the infinity saga is over, prioritizing quantity over quality and sacrificing the relative artistic integrity of previous stories to get steady Disney+ subscriptions
Fun fact: Dan Jurgens, the writer of the Death of Superman said he prefers MoS’s Zod killing.
That was actually John Byrne. He wrote The Price, not Dan Jurgens. I was under the same misasumption, until I made my own Man of Steel video comparing it to Superman(1978) and needed to use The Price to make a point about Zod's death.
@@Pikashades was it? My mistake
Dan Jurgens is more known to be the man who killed Superman in the comics, wich Snyder adapted in BvS
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 My bad, that’s an honest mistake, I’ll fix that now
@@michael.471 Don't worry about it man, happy to help
I don’t think Zack Snyder understands Batman v Superman.
Proof?
@@footballskillshd7121 The fucking movie
@@coolwolf506 when people don't understand they hate it.
@@footballskillshd7121 Exactly, Zack doesnt understand it, I dont hate it I dislike it.
@@coolwolf506 Bro you should go back to the primary school.
Well even Marcus said that ZSJL was good and enjoyable, if even someone who doesn't like Zack Synder movies likes it, you know how good the movie will turn out to be
Or he grew up and likes the movies now.
@@FungalumisBush he said he still hated bvs and man of steel
@@FungalumisBush he didn't liked it. He said it was meh
@@FungalumisBush Grow up? BvS was hot garbage. Mos was okay but nothing special. Hibestly some of the worst superhero movies. Catwoman level bad
@@mindfreak9674 lmao and why do you think that? They are not even close to being bad films
I’m gonna be honest, I loved Marcus’s video on this because yeah I think his concerns and complaints are validated. But it still won’t stop me from loving both MoS and BvS. I personally loved both of them while knowing about the flaws and shit the movies are given.
Hell yeah, speak your truth brother.
Exactly I know they are not good but at least I was entertained by it.
Absolutely none of his criticism is remotely validated. That’s the point. He doesn’t understand films. At all. I’ve watched his stuff and his videos are ridiculously bad.
@@alainwalker5177 in my opinion, if you are entertained by a film, you should call it good because you enjoy watching it.
@@constantinezoelayman3132
I agree, but I can still see they’re flaws, there’s plenty of movies that have a pretty bad story or bad acting but that I enjoy simply because it’s funny or entertaining. I like both mos and bvs but I know that they’re not perfect.
For the revenge part, didnt reeve go back to the diner with his super powers and slam the bad guy who beat him up into a juke box?
Yeah but he says in one of his DC videos that no live action movie has been accurate to Superman
in avengers Loki brought the fight to new york, and in avengers 2 captain america cw dealt with the destruction of Sokovia. in man of steel superman brings the fight to metropolis and smashes zod into buildings full of people
@@felipe3724 hack snyder ruined DC
@@herloss448ok first off. Those destruction scenes were from previous movies. It showed Loki and the Chitari annihilating NYC, it shows Washington DC getting Destroyed, it shows Sokovia getting lifted out of the ground and crashing back down to earth, and it shows the Lagos scene where scarlet witch accidentally blew up the hospital. You marvel haters were hating on marvel movies because they were causing property damage, yet when a movie addresses it, you call it dumb. Also, everyone knew who The Winter Soldier was at this time, and if you see the Winter Soldier leaving a UN bombing, your gonna be suspicious. I know Civil War is far from perfect but stop hating on it just to hate on it.
eh, that one was only in a diner and he paid for the damages therefore he knows he is accountable for that. unlike in MoS he doesn't feel any remorse for the damage he and Zod caused. Also, you guys got to. learn the difference between revenge and teaching a jerk his/her lesson.
If Batman kills he is a anti hero like punisher if he kills all his motivation for being Batman just goes out the window. Like Marcus said his core value is that he values life above other. You don't need Batman to kill for it to be dark like the batman
That was the point of the movie, after 20yrs in Gotham he has failed, he has lived long enough to become the villain, but not long enough to realise it yet, he’s still in denial. By seeing a Batman that breaks his rule, we see why it’s so important, rather than just telling us why. In the end he regains his faith in humanity and promises to redeem himself. It honestly doesn’t get more hopeful than that.
I thought the movie portrayed Batman as more of a villain because while it shows Batman killing, I think its intention is to show that Batman killing is bad. Like this is something he isn't supposed to do.
ua-cam.com/video/1GLqIh9jOf4/v-deo.htmlsi=MoqAh8PqlRrFftmb
@@DynestiGTIexcept it don't explore how important it was that he break his rule. It just have him going around shooting and killing people
@@lolski792You didn’t even pay attention to the fucking movie. Holy shit! Did the crop split scene with Bruce at the funeral not spell out his arc for you??
“Doesn’t seem like Superman is that upset about it”-shows close up of Superman tearing up
Lmao truee😂😂
But you think he would put out the fire tho at least
Dude sheds a tear and doesn't bother helping at least put out the fire 😂
@@RoninTheLightSkin what’s the point of putting out the fire they were all fucked anyway
@@JK-eo7eb to stop the fire from spreading as u saw there were still some ppl alive in different rooms. so yeh
22:50 at the start of the movie you see batman studying superman fighting zod and you can see him doing the same fight pattern so when superman throws that right haymaker and sees him stop it, it’s not just that he’s weaker it’s also the fact that batman knew exactly how he was going to strike.
If Batman kill he doesn’t fail Superman...he failed himself, he failed his father, and most importantly he fails Gotham...you know...his entire motivation for being Batman
he already failed, but he didn't realized
exactly, that's the whole point of his character in bvs
Again, you miss the point of the character. If he kills he no longer is Batman...he becomes a villain
@@jacobswindell1 exactly. batman is *the* villain of dawn of justice. he's not the good guy. he's failed. he's failed and abandoned all of the principles that once made him a hero. that is the entire point of the character in batman v superman. he is bruce wayne, and he dresses up like a bat and he beats up criminals at night. but he's not "batman" anymore. he's "batman" post-batman. it's a deconstruction of the character.
because the fact that batman won't kill anyone isn't interesting unless you analyse what the character would be like if he did kill people.
@@jacobswindell1 yeah but I have to say that batman principles are... kind of bullshit. He puts the joker in Arkham every focking time just for Joker to get out and kill more people, being stuck into a circle of madness and infinite compasion that even the power rangers make fun of him in a crossover. But people seen to like that batman and I do too but sometimes it gets ridiculous, they dont know when Batman should stop and make him a complete idiot.
That is why I like superman, he doesnt kill in a basis, he does it when he has to.
And btw Im not talking about any snyder adaptation or anything, just the characters in general.
I think Marcus kind of forgot about the part where Zod goes on international television and says “Surrender Kal-El or else we will destroy your planet!”
Marcus isn't stupid, he likely decided to ignore it.
@@SpiderJerk2000 it's not that it's that he complains too much about everything he made a video all about dc and he just started kinda insulting dc
@Albert Okorogu no not that it just seems like he complains about everything in every video
@Albert Okorogu cosmonaut is pretty negative too man theirs no deny
@Albert Okorogu for me I love both dc and marvel the problem is that Marcus has a shallow mind like he complains about superman and zod fight that destroy the city. It is really stupid to think that he criticize without thinking he just complain imagine two powerful being fighting the other wants to kill him along with every lives that surrounds them, superman can't just negotiate with zod like "hey can we fight where there is will be no casualties?" Zod: "what I am mad and I want to destroy everything that is important to you what do you think about this a dragon ball?" *continues to fight* that's idiotic
why are there so many dislikes lmao? this is literally a great counterargument.
Sadly, a lot of people don’t like their opinions or beliefs challenged.
@Dead Pool religion should absolutely be challenged
Because SJW commies can’t stand someone refusing to bow and kneel to them
@Dead Pool
Beliefs you should absolutely challenge because otherwise stupid people believe shit like communism and gender studies
@@roluevasreisa5730 you sound like a child.
I’d also like to point out the destruction in MOS is mostly caused *by Zod* forcing him down into the city everytime he tries to leave. Compared to the animated scene you showed which is where he’s fighting SHAZAM. ANOTHER SUPERHERO.
You don’t know the context of that scene in That (show justice league unlimited is what it’s called) superman and Shazam fight in a empty city built by Lex Luther because Superman doesn’t trust lex and thinks he made a kryptonite bomb instead of a energy source completely different from MOS where Superman fights sod in a heavily populated area with little regard to the people around
@Radio Kaos the city was clearly evacuated by the time Superman punched Darkseid through, he even gives a speech about finally being able to cut lose knowing he won’t hurt anyone around🤦🏿♂️
@@michaeljoseph9634 man I love that episode ❤❤❤❤
all of these clowns saying superman made mistakes hes a newbie should wash their brains .every mistake he made was on him .tex the stupid clown just manipulating these kids lol. he chose to go to the south Indian ocean world engine instead of flying through the metropolis one before everything happened ,he chose to laser those unborn krypton kids and take down that ship middle of the city causing more building to crash and die ,he chose to phantom zoned all of his krypton ppl and he then cried like bih for zod like he didn't laser the only hope he had with his world .what he gonna do with zod ? did they knew ? no. that's so bad writing .he's a war criminal in this movie like snyder the amateur promised us before making the movie .he got a shitty advice form a 45 yr old grown ass man that maybe u shouldnt save ppl instead of" no son always save ppl always help those who need but be more careful with the identity first "yep that's how a grown ass man should have talked to his son .
@@herloss448 You can barely write a comment dude
Seeing Tex talking about this guy is the equivalent of seeing Birdman dissing Cinema Sins. It's fucking hilarious
@Kryptoskillet Apokolips War sucked
@Kryptoskillet bruh apocalypse war wasn’t good
@Kryptoskillet how TF was Apokolips War good???? It kills off characters just for shock value, in the universe they spent 8 years building up
The point of CinemaSins is to be bitchy and annoying. It’s mainly satirical
@Kryptoskillet I mean yea that’s the point, I doubt he’s truly serious about those nitpicks. It’s not like he’s doing ya know a genuine critic like Mauler or something, it’s entirely based around nitpicks, which leads me to believe that it has to be not very serious
All film is subjective but man, Snyder fans can't take criticism. This guy's channel has him praising most if not all of Snyder's DC films. There's a reason they weren't received well by many. He can't tell a story that most people can enjoy.
Saying that a group of thousands of people collectively can't take criticism is really stupid.
Liking something and defending it aren’t the same as not being able to take criticism. Maybe if Snyder’s haters weren’t so vocal about their absolute disgust for the man his fans wouldn’t have to do ardently defend him. YOU not liking something doesn’t make it bad. Lots of people not liking something doesn’t make it bad. Why is alright to make entire videos on why Snyder sucks is okay but a video on why someone likes him enrages you so? It seems you all can’t take criticism either.
@@BuckyKattGetFuzzy Cosmonaut's video was not about why Snyder sucks, it was about why BvS sucks. You're talking about the people that attack Snyder. You can go argue with them because I didn't say anything bad about Snyder, just his movies.
Do you realize what video you just watched? It's about a guy criticizing another guy claiming that he didn't understand Snyder's movie.
@@mvelo6331 That’s because Cosmo is wrong, Zack does understand, he’s simply making an interpretation that no one has seen before while also borrowing from other sources.
People have a right to defend a creator and their work. I would only problem with a defense of someone if that person has something absolutely or criminal, but Zack Snyder has done neither of those things, he just wanted to make a Superman and Batman that are building towards the ones knew for decades.
Cosmonaut has done is misrepresent his work and slandered the creator without any evidence and the evidence he has is flimsy.
So no, this is not Snyder fans not taking criticism.
@EdittZz it does not!
I'd also like the add, Batman threatening to brand LEX is not to show that he hasn't learned something, it's to show he knows that Lex was using Batman branding (of really horrible people) to incite superman by having people (with those brands) killed thus, basically, giving the idea to Lex that he would suffer from his just deserts because....people in jail now associate that brand (of really horrible people) with death.
This like ratio is the strangest I've seen
hi homelander how's the wife and kids
Because people with huge fanbases love destroying smaller channels just because smaller channels make better points
@@ronitaich homelander and his little "homies"
@@DivvayKhatri
Yeah so to your SJW lord
How’s watchmen?
Hmmm ouch yeah
How’s birds of prey
Ooooo
How’s terminator dark fate
Honestly I kind of want your SJW pig lord to dislike anything because anything he dislikes is automatically a success and anything he loves always fails
@The Predator
Just that anything your SJW King happens to like, always bombs
It’s like I find it beautifully delicious irony
Love how he just listed all the bad marvel movies and called the main character in them "charismatic" lmao since when is captain marvel "charismatic"
He like all the stupid films and hate good films.
@@JacksonBlade144 tex
@@raz2832 No. It’s CVH.
@@HUMAN-fq5ff sorry
@Micolash iam a marvel fan captian marvel is the worst movie but others were good i dont know why tex saying others were bad like it have a great story than most of the dc film
Ngl both of y’all had valid points. But just because someone didn’t like a movie doesn’t mean they misunderstood it. Yeah he may sound contradicting at points but to be fair he’s not that much wrong. And you aren’t either. It just comes down to the subjectivity of the movie. And I’m just gonna act like you saying half of the MCU is skippable was a joke…
Him : literally misrepresents and lie about things that actually happens.
Tex : debunk those lies by showing the actual scenes.
YOu, a fckin npc : bOtH aRe RIgHT
@@1theprince1 didn’t say they were both right. No one is right because everything is subjective at the end of the day. But both have points that are true objectively.
@@1theprince1 everything cosmonaut said was valid. Stop dickriding tex you dc fanboy
Nah Marcus has idiotic opinions
@@SamC_182 that’s ur opinion
I'm re-watching all of the dceu movies in preparation for ww84. So far I've gotten through the first four and I still have no idea how some people thought suicide squad was better than bvs. Tonight is josstice league so that should be "fun"
Noooooo bro dont rewatch josstice league we should erase that ''movie'' from our memory.Wait for the big treat coming at March instead
Don't rewatch Josstice League
@@nikolakys4185 If its too painful I might just skip to Aquaman
@@idawg7332 yup that should do it
nooo don't rewatch Josstice League, worst mistake of my life.
There are some good points being made here but a lot of this feels like Tex is correcting someone when their perspectives are on totally different wavelengths. Tex keeps talking about Marcus' points like he's just editing the Snyderverse but Marcus is talking about if the movies were fundamentally different.
This. Marcus's problem with these movies can not be solved with some edits, they would need a complete overhaul. The corrections in this video for the most part don't truly matter as the underlying problem isn't what is actually happening, but the tone it proposes.
@@akselevensen2763 Exactly. The movies tone and intentions are so off and it’s weird how he’s essentially explaining the plot of the movie to Marcus who has already seen it. Like dude we know what happens, we’re arguing about the execution and themes that were not done well
A lot of Marcus points tho did really show that Marcus did not understand parts of the movie. I don’t entirely agree that it was a “different perspective”
@@thankskanye1521 That's fine if you don't agree, but I think it's the best way that I can put it. I rewatched both videos to remember the context of my comment and immediately remembered why I said it. While I disagree with a couple things that Marcus says, I can't back Tex's arguments because so many of them miss the point of the original video being made. If you want to talk about it more, I have plenty of examples
@@juliuscorrea2863 I respect your opinion. I just personally feel like Tex did a pretty good job in showing not just to Marcus but to the general audience as well the misunderstanding that BvS received. Again there a fair amount of moments that Marcus either didn’t understand or didn’t take into account when discussing BvS. Not saying Tex video is 100% perfect, but still.
Marcus' definitely in a bit of a nitpicking mode in that video, but he's not entirely wrong. Especially about Batman. The no kill rule is not an optional for his character, it's not something you can take away and then take back in. Batman does not kill because he's this far from turning into the Joker. One single act of gratuitous brutality would be more than enough to send him over the edge, forever, and that's part of why he's so damn awesome. EVERY NIGHT he puts himself in the perfect condition to lose his sanity and end up in a state worse than death, and yet he does it anyway, because he knows it's the right thing to do.
So yeah, you can make him fail, you can turn him into an old wreck of a man, you can subvert almost everything about him. But not the no kill rule. Superman himself said this perfectly in Kingdom Come: "At the end of the day, when you take everything away from the Batman, you're left with someone who doesn't want to see anybody die."
That's pretty much it. And I'm sorry, but it's just something that Zack did not get.
About the rest... I do think that Man of Steel is a pretty boring movie. Not because of any specific narrative choice. Those, I mostly get. I just think it's weirdly written and paced, which makes it boring to me.
BvS, on the other hand, is just too overcrowded, and that's unfortunately a big problem. Had it been just a Superman movie with Luthor and Doomsday as the villains, it would've been much better. Batman and the JL have been forced in (the former a bit more elegantly than the latter), and it shows.
It’s just a different take on Batman lol. This would definitely be a bigger deal if they were straight up adapting a comic but they’re not. This is an original film by Snyder
Oh you idiot the whole point of Batman v Superman is that he shouldn’t kill
Ok, so about Batman killing in this movie: that’s the point. Batman should not be killing people. You seem to be knowledgeable about Batman, so I’m sure your familiar with Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns, one of the primary influences of BvS. In TDKR (the comic version, they change it in the TDKR animated movie) Batman uses a gun to kill a member of the mutant gang who is holding a child, and then he later breaks a firearm in front of the mutant gang. This is a subplot in the comic not everyone notices, Batman’s relationship with killing. Bruce is trying to hold onto the man he used to be, including his no killing rule, and he’s gone so far into this idea that he still holds onto his no gun policy despite literally using a gun to kill somebody earlier. Later in the story, in the tunnel with Joker, Batman essentially asks “how many have I killed by letting you (Joker) live”, and then proceeds to literally break the jokers neck. While at first it appears that Batman only paralyzed the Joker and the Joker somehow snapped his own neck the rest of the way to lull himself, on closer inspection we can uncover the truth. Following Batman snapping Joker’s neck, the Joker’s text bubbles are in the same grey which Batman used in his internal monologues. Batman is so desperate to hold onto his old rules that he literally denies killing the joker, internally making a story in which the joker killed himself. Now let’s take this into BvS. The two Batman’s are very similar, both are older, angrier men who are coming off of the loss of a robin. BvS Batman has adopted a similar killing rule, where he justifies his kills through “oh, I just shot the car and it blew up, not my problem”. And then, when the moment arrives, and Batman is about to murder an innocent man, Superman calls out for his mother, and Batman has the cathartic realization that he is no better than joe chill, and that there is no way he can justify this kill. However, Batman’s character arc is not complete. Although he has backed away from outright murder, he still has no issue killing indirectly (or at least, what he considers indirect). It is not until Superman sacrifices himself to save humanity that Batman resolves his existential crisis and determines that humanity is worth fighting for that he stops this indirect killing and rediscovers his old values. In fact, the final scene on Batman is Batman NOT marking Lex Luthor, representing his symbolic rejection of the indirect killing and the ways he justified it. So yes, Batman should not kill, unless the movie is about why Batman should not kill, as this movie is. Is it hard to see Batman this way? Yes. It is. But that does not make it bad. In fact, it’s this struggle which I find so inspiring about the movie. Like Batman, we all fail. We all abandon what makes us who we are and what we fight for. However, despite our failures, our losses, and our mistakes, we can redeem ourselves and fight to make the world a better place.
@@Haris.nycc1 Ok, do not call me or anyone you don’t even know an idiot simply for a take on a movie. It sucks, and definitely makes YOU look like an idiot.
@@jbone3606 and @Bus Guys… I get all of that, but there’s a problem. A couple of them, actually. The first is that, as I said, you can’t make Batman kill on a regular basis without him going insane immediately afterwards. That’s just who he is. In the Injustice issue where Superman dreams about how Batman could’ve killed the Joker, Batman does in fact do just that, but then he IMMEDIATELY turns himself in. Why? Because he knows he has to secure himself before the thought of killing again even reaches the backdoor of his mind. He’s nuts, guys, and he knows it. That’s the point. I’m sure you all know the “if I go down into that place” speech from Under the Red Hood. And even in Miller’s case: I like your take on the Joker neck breaking thing, but even in such a scenario, the fact would be that Batman distorted his own perception of reality to “cover up” this ONE (arguably justified) murder. He did it, but in his mind he didn’t. That means Miller is aware of the no kill rule and how important it is for Bruce’s character, so he’s breaking it in a smart way that doesn’t break the character as a result. In a way that makes Bruce kill (ONCE) but also not lose his respect for the sanctity of life (not to mention his respect for his own already quite messy mental health).
The point with Snyder is that he doesn’t make Batman’s killings a plot point. He doesn’t seem to think it’s even important. Try and watch the movie a bit more carefully, and listen to the interviews. The branding is a plot point, which gets referenced in the “fever” speech in the Cave and in the final scene with Luthor. But the killing is not. The point of the movie is not that Batman should never kill, it is that he should never be cruel. There’s a difference. When asked why his Batman kills, Zack did not use the argument you used with me up here. He did not say “it’s his arc” (which still wouldn’t have justified it, because again, this Bruce kills on a regular basis and yet has not turned into a Batman who Laughs-ish psycho: things don’t add up). He simply made excuses and tried to justify it as indirect killing, thus implicitly stating that he did want to make him kill, but he also didn’t want to piss off the fans too much, so he made it indirect. I mean, look at his other heroes. Superman pushes a guy through four brick walls. Aquaman impales an enemy from behind. Wonder Woman turns the bank terrorists’ brains into jelly, not to mention she does the same to Roose Bolton’s entire body. Zack makes his heroes kill because, in his worldview, it wouldn’t be believable if they didn’t. And I can even excuse it in many cases, I can get behind the fact that he mostly makes it for the rule of cool. But not in Batman’s case.
So yeah, that’s pretty much it. And it seems quite evident to me by simply listening to him when he talks about it. Have you ever heard his “wake the f**k up, you think your heroes never lied to America” rant? He wants to be realistic, and he thinks that, if superheroes - even the kindest ones - actually existed in the real world, they would kill. Plain and simple.
I love the destruction having everything be empty and minimum damage triggers the uncanny valley effect especially in the newer Marvel movies, BvS and Shazam. Subconsciously ticked me off in No Way Home when all that nonsense happened and the entire building is implied to be empty.
Wasn't that Happy's place?
I swear most people just loves plot armor:
- Oh hey we can't have them cause destruction.
- how do we do that, these are gods and superbeings
- well we can just have them fight inside an airplane or an unbusy airport. let's throw in robots too so they're not really killing anyone.
It is no surprise really. Just look at their arguments. These are people who clearly prefer to reject reality on a constant basis. If reality sips into their escapism, they lose their shit.
What I find most irritating is that some of the really logical thinkers on youtube, who make their money debating people and debunking nonsense, have done the same. It just shows you a harsh reality about people: Even some of those who seem to follow logic might just create another dream-bubble for themselves that is just filled with things they deem logical. It's STILL a fake world they build for themselves. Maybe we all do that to some extent...
Holy shit you're right the airport fight sequence could have been amazing if it involved civilians
@@porassrivastava8242 and I am personally still dissapointed to Civil
War because OF NO TRUE CONSEQUENCES
@@porassrivastava8242 That's because something like that happened in the beginning of the film. They learned their lesson.
Take the fight away from the city, or at least TRY, it's not hard to depict. Takes less than 30-50 sec of footage of Clark trying to take Zod elsewhere, it doesn't work, RIP Metropolis, Boom.
At.least.he.tried
They somehow ended up in space, you're telling me they can't go somewhere, ANYWHERE else on Earth but back into the city???
It's been done in an Superman animated film where he tries to damage control, DRAGONBALL gets this right, but MOS can't ?? Bullshit.
And yes, he's learning, but that was a mook decision to write him learning while in the suit & not younger, when is when he actually should be learning.
Realism+Superhero with Alien Powers = ERROR 404
Trying to apply realism to a man in spandex that can fly & shoot heat vision out his eyeballs.
Ya know, because realistic.
c'mon man
I liked your responses to the points he made about Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice. Even though I myself have not seen the Ultimate Edition, I can tell by this video that you have a deep understanding of the Zack Snyder vision, even if not a lot of people like it. The response that stuck with me was when you talked about how Snyder DOES understand Batman and Superman and how he is exploring them differently.
If you still haven’t yet, please do try and watch the ultimate edition
You won’t regret it.
@@overborg I watched it and OMFG why didn't we get this in theaters
@@JonP1245 cuz they said it was too long
Watch it before the Snyder Cut. Best decision ever made ;]
These characters aren’t like the characters we’re used to seeing, because “fans” like him aren’t allowing them to be. It’s like you said towards the end of this video, Zack had a 5 movie deal. His intention was to introduce these characters as flawed and turn them into the infallible characters we’re used to, by way of learning their lessons (as real life individuals do). He didn’t want the boring “here’s Superman, as he’s always been”, he wanted the steps that lead up to him being that Superman to be a journey we shared with the character. People jumped to conclusions after the first and second movie Zack portrayed these two characters, and didn’t allow him to fully flesh them out or give them proper development. To the people that might say it’s not that deep, I genuinely believe it was, for Zack, and is for me now.
If you were an actual fan you'd know Bayman and Superman are already flawed. Superman is self sacrificing to a fault causing him not to plan very well. Batman is a character obssessed and paranoid but not a murderer and even when he is it is in a very specific alternate universe context. It'd be like making Peter Parker a killer because Spiderman 2099 and Punisher Spiderman killed people in alternate universe/timeline books in the past. These are not a good distillation of what makes these characters popular. The Dark Knight Returns is even contradicted by other pieces of popular DC media like Justice League Unlimited. Just because these characters are wearing familiar costumes and have familiar names doesn't mean that they are likable or good interpretations of these characters.
@@ShawnWeeded510 I’ll be honest I’m confused by your comment. It seems like you and I have the same argument but the way you worded your comment also seems like you’re arguing with me. Maybe I’m just incompetent, but I genuinely can’t tell what the point of your comment is. You said the same thing I did.
@@ShawnWeeded510 we like this Batman tho...we dont want that weak ass Batman and Robin.
@@ShawnWeeded510 you are further proving TEX right mate, people like you are misunderstood.
5 movie shit show lmao
the biggest problem with batman vs superman is that i just don’t BELIEVE these characters. it puts them into a darker context, but why? i don’t like the dark context because i’d rather see how we get there first.
You can't have hope when you're always perfect.
@@SpiderJerk2000 I like this. I'm gonna save this.
Why do you have to believe anything? One of these guys can literally fly, is bulletproof and can bend steel. There's nothing "believable" about this genre.
Okay I just have to say thank you for literally breaking down this movie because in all honesty I DID see this movie through the eyes of Marcus but now that you've broken it down I really need to watch this movie again with new eyes because this is really good. Thank you for this in all honestly.
I think people try to compare their characters to their comic counterpart. If you just watch it as is and try to understand the characters given without any frame of reference, you would enjoy it a hell of a lot more. And this is coming from someone who despises Batman killing. I just try and understand why Zack decided for him to do so.
@@Dxntoo I really do look at them as their characters from the comics because I just LOVE comic accuracy it's what I'm here for but I have to look at it as a different interpretation of these characters each time we see them on screen I do wish sometimes that they stick to the source and keep the characters personalities as they are. And I grew up watching Christopher Reeve and also loved the point where he knows that us Christopher Reeve fans were almost blinded by this interpretation that we thought Superman is just this happy, positive go lucky character and he is so much more than that. Especially watching Smallville for the first time recently (which is making me love the character of Superman/Clark Kent) i am starting to understand that Superman is as human as we all are going through the same shit no matter what powers he has. And I like how this video explains basically that batman vs Superman to a human aspect. It makes me realize what he was actually trying to accomplish. No matter how awesome the things we've seen Batman do we've never really seen him react as an actually Human with emotions would react. And I finally understand that we are getting that rather than the stone cold to the point almost someone like Batman I see in the comics (with some exclusion of story arcs)
@@armorblack8807 agreed to everything. I also love comic book accuracy but comic books are just another medium to tell the stories of characters we love. The movies are just another adaptation of our beloved characters and we should treat them as any other piece of media. With that said, I would've enjoyed if once all of this disaster is over that they have a friendly relationship with each other creating bonds like the characters did in the animation TV shows. That's something that can't be recreated and I wish that would bloom in the future for the movies.
This is why people need to stop relying on youtubers to form their opinions for them. Don’t be sheep.
@@ssjalpha6593 tbf you can't blame them for having this opinion after watching the theatrical cut.
Three minutes in. You’re trying to “well actually” the video and you make a mistake by calling the co director of the justice league movie “josh whedon.” Well, actually...
Also if you’re gonna call somebody out and want to be taken seriously maybe you should be able to say “Cosmonaut”.
Josh Whedon is a meme. He said it that way on purpose.
@@brandonjenkins723 eh still
@@brandonjenkins723 And is 3rd grade basic mispronunciation skills of big boy words like "Cosmonaut" also a meme? :)
Also it wasn't joss whedons movie. It's WB's frankenstein-ing of Zack Snyder's movie with reshoots from Whedon
Lol this guy is talking about Superman like he actually made the decisions in this film. I think Marcus is critiquing the actually filmmaking an narrative choices rather than “Superman did stupid things”. Lmao
I dont think he wants to callout Christopher Nolan who is the real screenwriter. Nolan gets a bunch of praise, but Snyder gets shit on and blamed for Man Of Steel
I think Marcus is Critiquing the way that Zach Synder portrayed Superman which he felt to be inaccurate, which is very controversial topic in the superhero fandom
@@josay3394 Nolan didn't want superman to kill zod......Snyder did
@@Zynirel how did Snyder want Superman to kill?
@@SpiderJerk2000 he eliminate every opinion for beat zod without killing him, the original script was for zod to be suck with the phantom zone with faora after fighting them, but Snyder want superman to kill, so it's like a no victory thing
who cares about his dad and krypton politics, the opening scene is ten minutes longer than it should be, and just because its comic accurate doesn’t mean its a good idea, and he doesn’t mind when its not or is comic accurate as long as it fits the story and superman and the opening did not fit the story coherently, no one needed that opening scene to be that long
just because its comic accurate doesn't mean its a good thing. EXACTLY!
Hell your a true DC fan. Glad we have you on our side.
Dude its pretty rare find some dc fan, cause i see tons of clowns just throwing trash on dc comics without even read one. This Marcus guys is the perfect example... tex just show how patetic he is. Thx yex appreciate you're video and you showed how many ignorant there is still judging without understand nothing and just open their mouth
@@Erpappaz Well I was a marvel fan from years , then I found these videos talking about how great zack snyder movies are .. i saw them and I found them interesting...I watched Man of steel then Wonder Woman then Batman vs superman then Aquaman and shazam and I really liked something that was soo new for me I mean in marvel everything seems just the same after sometime but Zack snyder movies alwys do some cool stuff..then I watched some of Animated movies of Dc and I found animated movies and comics are actually beyond another level if movies are a microscopic particle then they are the whole fucking multiverse it was sooo damn good really I never expected animated movies to be soo dope and now I am officially a Fan of Dc comics and animation ..i do like the movies tho but I think animated movies are far better than live action ones made by dumb WB ..
There are no sides tbh I love both marvel and DC have a spidey tattoo but grew up reading more DC Comics. I appreciate both and at least we all can agree the comics are better and more diverse than there live action counterparts
@@porassrivastava8242 Yeah MCU is very good but they have very few movies that are actually good , example Tobey Maguire's Spiderman trilogy , Iron Man 1,Cpatain America winter soldier, Andrew Garfield's Spider man and Infinity War ...and other movies are like mediocre and some are trash..but the thing that annoys me is that even trash movies of marvel like Captain Marvel get praised good reviews and good money, but genuinely good movies of DC don't get the prasie they deserve don't get good reviews . In fact the Fake critics on twitter and UA-cam and Marvel fanboys on Reddit completely trash the movie call it garbage even before watching it and due to them DCEU gets hate without any reason...
@@Erpappaz dude marcus literally has read alot of Dc comics , you'd know that if you actually watched him.
Cosmonaut: They distilled Batman into angry punhcing man.
Frank Miller's Batman: Man how I love hurting people, it's the only thing I live for because I am so fucked in the head.
And Miller's Batman is considered to be one of the worst depictions of the character.
So what was your point?
@@ReaperBlaze76 Isn't The Dark Knight Returns one of the most influential Batman comics ever made?
@@gorangelo4525 It's also not the only story Batman Miller ever made.
@@ReaperBlaze76 yeah that's why The Dark Knight Returns is considered one of the best Batman stories. Because people hated his Batman
Not even remotely true. Pick up a little book called Year One. Y’all are straight up not understanding the point of Dark Knight Returns.
He’s supposed to become the awkward and kind superman after not being that after 2 movies? He gets the awkward traits from growing up human, not by being superman over 10 hours worth of movies
Wait wait wait wait wait are you saying that constantly having responsibility throwout your life and power that makes you awkward also if you reference the spiderman films thats a completely different film and a completely different tone
Also yeah this is a completely different tone he doesn't have to be "comic like" just because in a comic you saw someone who saw someone read about the comics he was a good boy and had no flaws. Zack had a plan with his character but joss has made his vision more light hearted and kinda f'd up his arc
@@bantergod7320 In the comics, Clark was more lighthearted for a reason. His parent's did not shield him from the outside world the way they did in Man of Steel. Because in those medium, the world had the Golden Age Heroes to sow some trust in the heart of the public about superhuman beings, hence less stress on the Kents.
Zack Snyder's version of the DCEU had always been based on the New 52, which the Golden Age Heroes did not exist and the world was more bleak with superhuman distrust.
@@tartatovsky the outside world at the time the comic's were created were VERY different compared to modern day. we got news channels, racists, phobes, haters etc.
@@thesimpledude186 the new 52 are the modern interpretation based on our world view, hence the bleaker look into the superhuman distrust, acting as some kind of a metaphor for our version of it as you mentioned.
Clark: *takes birth*
Marcus: WHY ISN'T HE SAVING PEOPLE HE'S SUPERMAN!!!?
how does this make sense
What?
@@jul4732 ong
Do you mean bath? I think he means bath
all of these clowns saying superman made mistakes hes a newbie should wash their brains .every mistake he made was on him .tex the stupid clown just manipulating these kids lol. he chose to go to the south Indian ocean world engine instead of flying through the metropolis one before everything happened ,he chose to laser those unborn krypton kids and take down that ship middle of the city causing more building to crash and die ,he chose to phantom zoned all of his krypton ppl and he then cried like bih for zod like he didn't laser the only hope he had with his world .what he gonna do with zod ? did they knew ? no. that's so bad writing .he's a war criminal in this movie like snyder the amateur promised us before making the movie .he got a shitty advice form a 45 yr old grown ass man that maybe u shouldnt save ppl instead of" no son always save ppl always help those who need but be more careful with the identity first "yep that's how a grown ass man should have talked to his son .
The biggest problem is people watch these videos and learn from that rather than watching the movie itself . That's the one thing I hate about the video essays and reviews
That's only in bad faith reviews.
Sadly all these people have to do these days is make an "one marvelous scene" video to be considered good faith critics for these kinds of scenes so the scene is muddled
Not really most people who watch these kind of videos have already watch the movies. That's the whole point.
@@jeremyrdlamaxima7052 you sure ???
Cause judging from the comments,
Mostly, they don't
@@jeremyrdlamaxima7052 I seriously doubt that. Because half of the criticisms they usually throw are answered in the movie so no one that watched it should have them
@@kartikadewi3270 I'm 80 % percent sure specially since I said "most" and it's true. Most people look these types of videos up on UA-cam. It's not like they get recommended. If they disagree with the video they either say it in the comments or dislike the videos. Go to one of those videos and see the comments. You are going to find people talking about the movie, those who like you said don't watch the movies and those who agree with the youtuber. It seems like you are underestimating people and just assuming what you want to think.
He doesn't complain about the opening scene BECAUSE it's comic accurate. He complains about it because it feels pointless. They probably could've trimmed the opening scene a bit while getting the points across.
@ChillyCloth He already ruins his movies himself.
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE I was about to say the same thing 🤣🤣 this video hasn’t convinced me that either movie is good
@ChillyCloth Who's WB?
@@JohnnyNuelo man of stee is better than b v s
@@caylya7869 dog piss is better than dog shit, sure, that doesn’t mean dog piss is good
I would’ve liked to see Superman ask for the clothes when he washes up shore, the audience knows he’s a godlike being so just the fact he would ask permission when he didn’t have to could have been a cool scene
facts
I didn't see anyone close around for him to ask politely. Besides this is a new Superman version. One that only hardcore Superman fans enjoy.
@@danielkeller1337 so u like it when a director spits in the face of a character you adore? fair point ig
@Daniel Keller. It’s called knocking on the door
@@colonelstarsandstripes5379 He was in a hurry and had no time to ask.
i love to see multiple opinions on the same topic, when it comes to movies especially.
i didn‘t completely enjoy BVS when i was in the cinema as a kid, but it was a rather good movie in my experience.
i see the criticisms and shared many, but i also want to give credit where it is deserved.
multiple perspectives are so important and even though i‘m almost 3 years late, thank you for voicing your opinion :)
YO I’M REWATCHING THIS VIDEO IDK HOW I MISSED IT BUT I WAS IN IT, THANKS TEX!!!
I always took clark leaving after getting beer splashed in his face as trying to hold back and not punch the guy
But he was perfectly happy with destroying his truck which would have been this man's livelihood???
@@joshuabell7761 if he punched the dude in the face he would’ve blown the guy up in the middle of the diner
@@channeljohnnyYT That's not my point, my point is that either option is really bad. My Clark / Superman would hold back his anger and then jump in to save that man when he is, say, mugged. Regardless of the bad things that man did. If these movies are trying to force in Jesus imagery, they should make Superman a character who is willing to give desperate people what they need not what they deserve.
@@joshuabell7761 oh no, the sexual assaulter had to file an insurance claim, the horror
@@seanlogan7912 😂
Agree with just about everything you’re saying here...
Cus u cant like a content creator unless you agree with everything they say
@@lolstuffenjoy9880 "just about"
While his points are pretty valid he misses the point where just because a movie is deep doesn’t mean it’s entertaining. I found the movie unnecessarily long and some of the characters quite boring.
@The Predator eh thats a matter of preferences and perspective
I do too but I think this guy values this opinion way to much and I think cosmonauts video is really good
No, Cosmonaut nailed it. Marcus knows more about the characters than you or Zack Snyder.
a man talking about plot holes in a movie, when he himself has tons of plot holes in his own argument...... ironic
i r o n i c
Ikr
A man not pointing out anything worth while and acting like a superior prick on the internet, ironic
@Ruben Colon neither do you
While the person who answeres to that video only tells him what he says is wrong and takes Advantage of the coming up Snyder Cut, while doing the exact same thing.
the dislikes are from the Cosmonaut Variety Hour fans I'm assuming
Most likely
No those are from people who know who batman and superman are and not trying to defend a shit movie.
@@eshmamb4678 hope Marcus sees your support, bro!
@@eshmamb4678 clearly you didn't get the movie lol
@@eshmamb4678 also if you aren't a zombie for the other guy why are you subscribed to tex? Which you have to be if you wanna prove this guys point wrong sir
For the destruction of metropolis in MOS, I agree with marcus because we as the audience know that it’s zods fault. But from a civilian standpoint inside the dceu, superman reveals that he exists and now and entire city is destroyed. I’m sure a lot of people would see him as a hero for stopping zod, but just like bruce wayne, I think that most people wouldnt praise superman in this scenario. Just my opinion
Metropolis still stood, only a small portion of the city were destroyed by the Black Zero ship in tandem with the World Engine. Agreed the people like Bruce distrust Superman in that scenario unaware the latter saved them three times from extinction and Lex took advantage of Bruce's temper.
Honestly, this video doesn't deserve the dislikes it has.
kinda does sorry
Yeah it kinda does
"people hate what they don't understand". it was said once in man of steel and then repeated in BvS.
If literally 0 people understand your film, then maybe the problem is not the audience
@@alasdairscott4718 yeah, only time will tell. that's why some movies became a cult classic after years when people realized how ahead of time the movie is. in this case i think bc of the theatrical release made the movie and its audience confusing.
@@alasdairscott4718 I undestood the movie the first time.
@@alasdairscott4718 60% of understand that movie you guys are talking about that fuck.ing America there so many continents.i hate old superman movie people who stuck in thtat stupidity wont understand these movies.
all of these clowns saying superman made mistakes hes a newbie should wash their brains .every mistake he made was on him .tex the stupid clown just manipulating these kids lol. he chose to go to the south Indian ocean world engine instead of flying through the metropolis one before everything happened ,he chose to laser those unborn krypton kids and take down that ship middle of the city causing more building to crash and die ,he chose to phantom zoned all of his krypton ppl and he then cried like bih for zod like he didn't laser the only hope he had with his world .what he gonna do with zod ? did they knew ? no. that's so bad writing .he's a war criminal in this movie like snyder the amateur promised us before making the movie .he got a shitty advice form a 45 yr old grown ass man that maybe u shouldnt save ppl instead of" no son always save ppl always help those who need but be more careful with the identity first "yep that's how a grown ass man should have talked to his son .
“People hate what they don’t understand”
- Martha Kent
We understand it. We just think its dumb
@@nathancardenas2719 it's dumb because...? The whole world will definetly panic if everyone figured out someone who can destroy a planet is at earth rn
@@kianlimbos689 im refferring to the dumb take that is "you dont like batman vs superman because you just dont understand it"
@@nathancardenas2719 I mean, most people misunderstand it and miss why something is happening, and then hate on the film because they say it doesn’t make sense.
@@grug1343 "most people misunderstand it" this is why people give snyder cult a hard time. You guys are are so insecure and arrogant.
We're not skipping to 14:43 ! We watching the whole video,
True that!
I wish I did skip
Why are we defending these movies in the first place? I think so few people have the ability to critique media from the perspective that it’s fictional, and someone (or multiple someones) made a decision for everything in the final product. Instead, most people argue and defend things from the perspective that everything had to happen for in-universe reasons -a universe that is *fictional *. CVH criticizes the choice to write and direct the final battle as chaotic and lacking in stakes, and you counter with “how is this Superman’s fault.” Superman isn’t real. These are characters and narrative devices written by real characters and nothing is off the table.
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TLDR: I don't think your video is succeeding at proving it's title.
So I've seen Cosmonaut's BVS video, and I was really curious about your video since I differ from some of his movie opinions myself. I'm about 14:30 into this video rebuttal, and so far nothing you've countered with does anything to prove that his assessment of BVS (or MoS) is incorrect. Sure, you keeping pausing to explain why the movie events/characters played out like they did in what you possibly think is a 'eureka!' explanation, but your explanations aren't missing from the dialog and in fact are the basis for the opinions held by Cosmonaut and others like him. Lets take a few examples.
The Zoid killscene: Cosmo says that this scene is wrong and comments on other ways it could have ended. Your response is that to repeat Zoid's line about his intention to kill everyone and say that Superman felt bad afterwards anyway. But the fact that it was written in such a way that that conclusion was seemingly the only outcome is the problem. Cosmo says as much in his video.
The Supes-Christ metaphors: Cosmo thinks that's one of the laziest things you could do with Superman. Your response is to point out that it's one of the most common things done to Superman in media, and that one should expect it by now. But all you're doing is providing reason as to why Cosmo probably thinks it's a lazy tactic; because it's done so frequently.
The whole Pa Kent thing: Cosmo overall thinks Pa Kent was written very poorly and says how his "maybe" line and willingness to die to hide Clark make the character come off as kinda insane. Your response is basically to just explain Pa Kent's in-story motivation to protect Clark again...also you justified him saying maybe by saying it wasn't a definite yes. One, his motivations don't refute Cosmo's and other's distaste for how Pa Kent was written in these films, they inform it. Two, if the idea that Pa Kent implying to Clark that letting his friends all die to keep his secret should be an option on the table seems in-character to you, then you might also have a major misunderstanding about Pa Kent.
Anyway, I'll keep watching the video to see if things improve.
EDIT: OK, I'm gonna sum up my thoughts on the rest of the video quickly. I think your assumption that Cosmo and others like him didn't like MoS or BvS because they didn't understand part or all of it is insultingly presumptuous. It is more than possible to understand how or why movie stories happen in a narrative sense and still believe they are poorly/convolutedly written. Maybe there are reasons beyond just herd mentality why these films are generally critically panned and people make video essays about their flaws to this day. Sidenote, this little clapback part at 28:48 reeks of "hoes mad" energy, just fyi.
Maybe im just not far enough into the video but from the start im getting serious hoes mad energy from this guy like "oh shit he likes media I dont look at this clown! Disregard his opinion for saying an openly violent selfish man isnt a beloved character"
I have to agree here. Just watched both videos back to back after watching BvS (Ultimate Edition). I think there are some things that Cosmonaut points out that could definitely be critiqued. But HIS biggest issues with these films is less about their internal logic and more about their direction and production externally. He seems to understand why things are happening based on what's happened so far in-universe; he just doesn't get or agree with the impetus behind making it that way.
I wouldn’t say the ant man movies are “throwaway films.” They set up the idea of the time travel aspects of Endgame
But they have no importance beyond setting up time travel, thus they are throwaway films.
@@wayothefro3249
"They only set up the most important plot point in Endgame, the plot point so important the film can't even happen without it, therefore they're throwaway films"
Do you read what you type or think about for more than 2 seconds?
@@ReaperBlaze76 That is what makes them throwaway films, because everything else in the film i.e everything that makes a film good/ not disposable, is irrelevant. This makes the films throwaways because they have no more importance than their connection to another movie and exist for no other purpose than that.
@@wayothefro3249 By your logic literally all films were throwaway films because they don't spend every second setting up the next movie.
Of course, that logic doesn't even work, when the Ant-Man movies are all about the Quantum Realm, seriously the second movie is literally all about traveling into the Quantum Realm.
In fact, using the term "throwaway film" shows you people miss the exact point of Cinematic Universe to begin with so clearly I may be expecting too much.
@@wayothefro3249 they have the importance of introducing ant man as a character. it would be infinitely times worse if they just. showed up in infinity war or endgame without an explanation
I’m very confused about the way you are defending these movies. It feels like you are agreeing with Marcus while disagreeing with him at the same time.
u brain dead bruh? tex is just answering cosmo's stupid points
Tex debunked every one of Marcus’ criticisms.
@@overborg "Every one" lmao what?? Did you even watch both of the videos in question?
@@overborg Tex literally said he didn’t go into all of Marcus’s critiques lol you clearly didn’t watch the vid
maybe because sometimes in an argument you agree with another persons points while disagreeing with others??
The "Martha" moment killed any and all credibility this film was going for. It was literally a c-level kids movie arc
Batman lost his way. He's about to kill Clark, Clark says Martha, Batman then realizes he doing exactly what had happened to him as a kid. He's taking away a parent from their child and vice versa. He comes to realizes he isn't any better than Clark, who was just trying to do the right thing. He realized Clark was just as human as him.
And you call that a kids movie arc?? Crazy
@@josiahcruz9678 would make more sense if he hadn't killed dozens of people before and after that scene
@@lufufi3iboo before, that's just wrong. Again, he lost his way. After, he didn't kill persay, he just didn't let them kill him and they died by their own hands. For example, the grenade scene.
@@lufufi3iboo healing takes time when it comes to trauma like that.
@@josiahcruz9678 At that moment in the movie, Batman thought Superman was the greatest threat humanity faced and he let's it all go because he, conveniently, said "Save Martha"? Imagine if the Joker said that, would Batman suddenly go "Huh, maybe he isn't so bad"? The moment is a joke that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, stop defending it.
He really just make a video stating every generic criticism against the movie, if you're gonna hate on a movie atleast bring some original opinions to the table.
What new opinions can you make the entire movie has problems that have been picked apart like TLJ. The entire movie is as if you just made Avengers Endgame after Civil War and Iron man. Stupid idea to do so and everyone becomes confused because the movie is not understandable to normal people who did read TDKR. A different interpretation still need the original to be there and when you make a Cinematic Universe it makes sense to use the original and use the different version in either a multiverse version of the character later or find a way to tie it into their character arc. Batman is not Batman we don't know his relationship, who he is, or why he does the things he does outside of retarded dream sequences for trailers.
@@sombramemer1230 exactly. That’s the biggest problem with the defense of BvS and MOS. The DCEU just jumped to the big crossover without telling you who the characters are in this universe, along with several other issues. But god forbid you point out the fundamental flaws of the movie, without being called “Marvel Fanboys” or “Snyder Haters”. We do it with every other director, but apparently you can’t with the All Powerful Zack Snyder.
lmao you can't just make new opinions
@@kdubbss0583 ok hear me out I have no problem with people criticizing these but the only problem is they are not coming up with nothing new he literally said the same things that everyone was saying when both the movies came out like "snyder doesn't understand superman" "snyder doesn't understand batman" "too much destruction caused in mos" "superman wasn't saving people" "superman could've taken the fight to space" If you're gonna criticize a movie 7 years later atleast come up with something new and him not knowing that the smoke grenade was made up of lead shows the amount of research he has done on the movie or how much attention he paid while watching the movie and the Last paragraph you said is same for every fandom if I said I don't like endgame I'm gonna get called dceu fanboy or a snyderbot that I don't understand movies the last time I tried to criticize endgame a dude posted my comment on his Instagram page and told his followers to spam my dm's with hate every fandom has toxic fans not just marvel dc even star wars,kpop,harry potter
@@Kdotmorelikeknot cosmonaut is probably making videos just for the sake of it, I don't even think he actually watch the movie yet to actually found new criticism
I noticed a lot of your points against Marcus’s criticisms were “well most other superhero movies do the same thing”. That’s really not a valid point to make, just because other movies do it doesn’t make it any less dumb in any of them, and he’d criticize those movies for the same exact things.
Only one I saw was the length of the man of steel and he compared it to bunch of other superhero movies. Care to explain some more examples?
@@xaviorbufkin7250 He also talks about it in regards to the amount of action/violence in the movies, and the amount of destruction caused by Superman (and the Jesus metaphors, but there he was saying how other *comics* did that, so maybe that doesn’t count). There were a couple other spots where he did this too, but that’s what I found again after skimming through.
Well Marcus criticises the damage in mos but allows it in avengers. I think that's what he means
@@raimiallpowerful2020 indeed , but this person is a marcus simp , nothin we can do , they will see and hear what they want to see and hear and nothing else
@@raimiallpowerful2020 where does he allows it in the mcu?
What if Clark say "Save my Mom" then batman doesn't know superman have a human mother. the f batman care to another alien.
I mean clark could've just SPEAK before bashing each other from building to building.
"yOu DoNt UnDeRsTaNd"
"I uNdErStAnD"
*Pushes batman*
Yeah sure dont tell him that lex kidnapped your mom, lex orchestrated everything etc
And proceeds to come down to batman and beat each other up instead of not making a fight out of it or you know? Just fly around not being reached by Batman from the ground.
Superman was shown to be fast enough to not be noticed that he actually passes by and has xray vision. Instead of flying all over everything and seeing through shit and going in and out cuz im pretty sure hes faster than a flamethrower. Nope. Gotta fight batman first.
I kinda get the point of the martha bit. Cuz "oooh it shows supes is human blah blah blah" and why it failed and considered as a joke because it is not executed correctly. I agree not everything has to be spoonfed but SPOON FEED SOME MORE PLEASE, because it ended up not making a lot of it with a pinch of sense. I get the intention of finding out clark is just as human as anybody else but you gotta atleast emphasize more on it other than giving us flashbacks of the Wayne's death. Or atleast fix the goddamn script "save my mom, save martha shes in danger i love her" or some shit like that. Give more reasons why bruce gave in to that decision to not kill clark. Because HIS mindset is all even if theres 1% chance superman is an enemy they have to take it as an absolute must. In no fucking way a sudden mentioning of your mom is gonna fuck up your goal
@@BeardedWolfKing clark still doesnt know batman is a good guy
U hear frm that rapist's wife that he needs a fist and not some words.. so he tells him to stay down and all but batman starts beating him,spraying kryptonite etc etc
He cant talk and stop the fight when he is getting beaten by a madman... batman wont listen
And u see superman literally cry and yell save martha... think frm clark's perspective... after he dies if he would have said mother... how could someone save her... martha kent was the perfect word he could tell... as after his death someone could save her
And u cld see a fatass boot in his throat.. he cant speak more
And even in batmobile chase... batman is killing and blowing... and as clark previously researched abt this violent fellow batman is at fault... he doesnt know y they were fighting so he came to warn batman
Bruce sees kid bruce in clark like he was crying the same way bruce cried... tats enough ig
@@vasisteel895 but HOW does clark know that? How does he know that bruce wayne, a guy that masked everything in his life to be this perfect, playboy richman and hid everything personal, would have lingering trauma in his mind that would trigger. What you're saying is just plot convince. Not something a dying man would say on the verge of death. Besides if he really does know batmans trauma and exploit it, why not say it earlier and let him break down earlier and tell him its my mom bruce. Or did superman planned to get bodied just to tell him martha?
Although i can see your point at the end of your comment, but i can see it as :
*Save my mother, save martha
*WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME
*Its his mothers name
Or they could've put the line "my mother has been taken by luther batman help blah blah blah" or something like that so that martha scene would make sense along with my suggested save my mother save martha.
Also, that scene could've just not happened in the first place. Either fly around try to convince bruce and not go near him if he really DOES not want any trouble with bruce instead of pushing him around and shit
Or
He doesnt need bruces help. Go nuts with xray vision and your speed. Scan everybuilding, your brain process everything a lot faster clark, i doubt you cant do shit like that.
@@BeardedWolfKing Clark doesn't know that Bruce still had trauma. Look at it this way: simply saying "save my mother" wouldn't work, for reasons others have said already, but also because it doesn't provide any helpful information. So instead he gives a name, "Martha", so that Bruce would at least have a clue in knowing who to look for.
It's not the best execution, but what Zack was trying to portray and show in this scene makes perfect sense.
@@TheTruMan196 bruce only knew where to look for because he stopped and had a panic attack to then clark started telking what warehouse.
Was clark counting on bruce stopping WHILE HAVING AN INTENT TO KILL? I bet that if clarks mom has a different name bruce would've never even consider stopping that spear.
Besides the "helpful information"? Clark had ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to say that instead he sulked and "you dont understand" then started roughhousing with batman lol.
Bruce, lex has been manipulating us and my mother, martha is held captive to blackmail me to fight you.
See that wasn't so hard? Bruce would'nt be stopping to stab supes if Martha Wayne had a different name.
Mom would've worked regardless. If you're seeing it as a viewer and got hinted at all the times bruce was that helpless kid (superman on the ground) that would've still worked. I wish they put more emphasis on that of batman becoming Joe Chill pulling the trigger instead of the very distracting martha
Lost my attention when you said doctor strange was skippable
Agreed 100%
“It’s just a sixty minute dragon ball fight”
Say no more. Just take my 💴 💴💴 please.
Right??? That fight was awesome
@@spuxxy284 agreed..what will you expect in a god like creature fighting ... you want logic you want physics!! dont watch fiction ..just watch drama . I love the fight scene its understandable to see how it being massive .. superman was just learning and in fact .. if I was d villain too .. who d fuck cares on that casualties .
@FoxRNG you release its the first time he fought someone with similar powers. So it actually made sense. And of course Zod made it a lot harder for him to keep it to a minimum.
@FoxRNG oh my god people can not be pleased.
@FoxRNG It's supposed to be that way; it's meant to show that this interpretation of the character has flaws. Plus, it's literally what drives the conflict in the sequel: Batman despises the damage that Superman had caused when trying to save the world.
at least Browntable even though don't like the movie, he acknowledges Snyder's direction and what he was going for...... in fact he likes his direction style
Browntable and Filmento, two good movie critics on youtube
@@AbelXAnne hitops too even though he doesn't like BvS he admits some parts are amazing
But Browntable also made a video about why Homecoming is better than Spider-Man 2 and completely misrepresent everything about Spider-Man 2.
@@abonny it's his opinion but I'll say what I loved in Homecoming is the ending..... Peter rejection of Tony's offer to join Avengers and his choice to become friendly neighborhood Spider-Man was I thought similar to Clark's journey to become Superman..... they both learn from experience
@@AbelXAnne Tenet review: How to fail at civil war.
This is the pettiest shit ever. Marcus' whole gig is that comics or movies can be good and different, but if a movie does a shit job of representing a character, he backs up to the comics as a contrasting example.
How is it petty? He's just offering his own opinion and interpretation in defence of a portrayal he thinks is good. And he's also staying completely level headed and non-aggressive when doing so
What's the problem? His point is that he believes a change to the comics is good if it enhances the story. He's not going to diss a choice purely on the fact that it's not part of the comics. He thinks the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 is better than the comics, so he likes it. He believes that Batman killing destroys what makes Batman special, so he doesn't like it. It's hardly petty.
He only likes change when it makes the movie better
@@petery6432 Yeah, there's a difference between changing certain aspects which don't affect the character and changing a fundamental part of what seperates the characters interesting.
Clearly you didn't watch the review video when he literally explains what you're trying to argue
“WHO TOLD LEX THAT MIXING HIS BLOOD WITH ZOD’S BODY WOULD MAKE DOOMSDAY?”
“The Kryptonian archive contains knowledge from a hundred thousand different worlds.”
“Good, teach me.”
Mf is literally not even trying to pay attention, ffs.
I really cant understand why this video has almost 50% dislikes.
Because the whole "you just didnt get it" argument has been done to death, and is exactly why people not only take issue with the movie but also Snyders toxic fanbase.
@@nathancardenas2719 but you really just didnt get it. The only toxic thing i see here is his haters. Even in this short video answers were straightforward, and there are too many videos about BvS. I literally see no reason for people complaining about so called problems out of nowhere in this movie. Cosmonaut did a really bad job at reviewing this movie.
@@hellmayor3100 dude. We get it. We just think its stupid. We think its contrived. We think its pretentious. Even if i didnt absolutely hate the film, to sit there and say people are just "making stuff up" to hate is an absolute ludacris statement. What fan of batman and superman would WANT to hate a movie starring them? That statement alone just shows how cultlike of a following snyder has.
@@nathancardenas2719 that is the thing, the ones who get it like it, others either didnt care at the first place or hated it for being not obvious. Its basically the only reason why this movie "sucks". Everyone excepted a movie for kids, like in MCU, where everything is too simple. They are not like TLOR, Happy Potter and so on. Here every dialogue makes sense and they should be noted for understanding the plot. So I see no meaning in your response. You cant just say "you hate this movie because its bad and we are saying that so its true". If you have questions of some possible plotholes, then there will be an answer on internet. 100%.
@@hellmayor3100 oh god. You brought up the kiddy marvel arguement now. Youre literally filling out the checklist at this rate mate.
In one of the interviews Snyder said that noone thinks about Superman having a way to become who he is. Everyone just assume who he is. And that's why he wanted to show a path to becoming Superman. And that's why he needed 5 movies for it. He didn't say Superman is bad character. He just wanted to show how much it must costed him to become the person that everyone knows him to be.
He could just not do big dumb fight scene or the one in the intro because it has little to do with him becoming Superman, but no he needs 5 movies for that instead of maybe 2-3 for his total arc
@@thecod2345 but what, if think, Zack wanted to show is that being meta human with power which most people can't even imagine is also affecting the one's psychology. The fact that previous writers didn't think about it and just assumed it won't affect him shouldn't mean that Zack can't add this new aspect. And instead of simple "this is superman, it means he is super and a man. He is nice because hero must be" we have:
1. MoS exploring how it's to live with such powers
2. BvS asking the question how the world would react to Superman
3. ZSJL showing that world needs Superman and depends on him but in fact it's fate depends on Superman's grace
4. JL2 we were suppoused to see what happens if he decides to switch sides.
5. JL3 we would see his redemption and how he becomes a Superman we know who is humble, and joyfull and nice.
The purpouse of it all is to show that being decent and "normal" human is something very, very hard to acomplish when You have power that nothing can be compared to. And i think it's much more interesting way of telling this story than simple assuming that hero is nice but without thinking of all the background of the story. At the end all the good stories are about the change within the hero.
@@thecod2345 ironically Henry superman is not anything like homelander.
More like a better version of goku and Dr Manhattan
@@thecod2345 "superman should nevet be like DR Manhattan "
Then you probably have not read annual superman or superman at the mercy of fate
Or superman earth one
Or Kingdom Come Superman book 2 to 3
Or Superman End Of The Century
Or Superman Last Son Of Krytpon
Or
Injustice
Or a comic page that superman left a planet to die
@@thecod2345 superman should nevet be like DR Manhattan "
Then you probably have not read annual superman or superman at the mercy of fate
Or superman earth one
Or Kingdom Come Superman book 2 to 3
Or Superman End Of The Century
Or Superman Last Son Of Krytpon
Or
Injustice
Or a comic page that superman left a planet to die
that dude kept contradicting himself throughout that video
How did Tex contradict himself? He stayed pretty level headed throughout the video
@@Juan-sw4pg talking about Cosmonaut
He actually has some good points
@@mistletoe3343 who cosmo .kids love him
Any specifics?
“AHHHHHH OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU PUT THE BABY IN THE MICROWAVE?!?!”
*learning experience*
The only reason this gets this amount of dislike is because he dissed a larger channel and most comments agree with this vid. This shows that they just came here to dislike lol.
Or maybe people just disagreed with him
@@spoodyboi2920 yes thats what happens when people disagree with a vid. They press the dislike.
@@therealeren2045 THANK YOU! That's exactly what happens!
@@spoodyboi2920 they may have disagreed with him, but the amount of dislikes is bizarre. Almost like they didn’t like how he bashed Cosmonaut or because they’re on the bandwagon and didn’t listen because “BvS bad everyone says so”
na i just saw this in my recommended and disagree
You do realize that Marcus isn’t a huge fan of marvel either right? Like he likes the movies but he has his problems with a lot of them.
Yeah but he STILL likes hot garbage. Unlike DC he hates it without even trying to give it a chance and complains about almost everything about it, down to the smallest detail that HE can find
@@darkseid9638 he liked Wonder Woman. and you’re acting like it’s weird he doesn’t like dc movies. The common majority of people don’t like the dc movies. They aren’t good
@@calebthesponge9191 lol but the majority like MCU which are actually worse but ok
@@darkseid9638 I mean that’s an opinion. I love dc heroes but the movies are awful. Not counting joker and hopefully the new Batman movie. The only “bad” mcu movies are the Incredible Hulk and the first two thor movies
@@calebthesponge9191 not really there’s also gotg both volumes and ant man both movies, doctor strange, the second iron man movie were all bad and I’m not the only one that thinks but like I said “ok”
I have never wanted to write a video essay more in my life than after I watched that segment on Marvel at 3:18. At best, calling a movie boring because it focuses on character rather than plot is subjective. Keep in mind, the argument (unless I've really misunderstood something) is that, because the movie's plot is basic and predictable, it is boring; and that the characters involved in that plot being interesting, we'll developed, and charismatic is not enough to counter that. I noticed a flaw there almost immediately because I loved Endgame to death and cried when Ironman died, but the literal core function of the movie and method by which the plot is even possible is completely broken to the point that not even the screenwriters and directors agree.
It’s plot holes are overblown and can be explained(not all but a substantial amount).
Every movie has plot holes
@@jared50709 dceu Man of steel and Bvs doesn't have plot holes
Endgame is overrated. If time travel was the answer, then you cannot lose. You just go back in time and fix everything. Hank Pym and Iron Man is all you need.
@@mcazares48 yet that almost lost and time travel was the entire reason that Thanos was able to show up to fight them.
When you "need" to watch the extended version over the original version... There is already a problem.
yes, studios interfering with director's films.
Imagine if you spelt something wrong in your paragraph and everyone kept making fun of you saying that you can't spell right. You correct yourself, your just stereotyping the film.
@@XRoyalBlueGokuX i just don't care if you're making fun of my Spelling. I am still learning the bases of the english. plus, if you care too much about how others see you, then you are good for nothing. So you're question doesn't make anysense. I just said the movie is a$$. If you're offended, just ignore me
@@the_exile8293 Looks like you care enough to respond, c'mon show me more of your toxic nature. I was setting up a metaphor. The only offended one is you. Cry about it.
@@XRoyalBlueGokuX don't care about other's opinion doesn't mean that im not allowed to respond to it. Im actually correcting a bad argument on a bad movie. So technically i didn't say anything toxic, just a diffrent point of you. That is Called argumentation
Look, no disrespect to Marcus, but he isn’t a very reliable critic and seems really reactionary. He very often contradicts himself and when he tries to be the contrarian in certain arguments, he often comes off as pretentious, even when he is just downright wrong (His “Joel was not a beloved character” rant comes to mind).
I'm watching the BvS video of his, and when talking about Man of Steel he initially says that he doesn't understand why the origin and character arc of this movie is so long, everyone knows what will happen so they should make it short and all that, but at the same time he thinks they should make the character a little bit more relatable and all that. Isn't that a bit of a contradiction on his part?
@@adriboy01 Like I said, he isn’t very reliable as a critic. He often complains about the things he wants films and video games to do. He complains about RE3 being a more action-oriented RE game and believes action doesn’t belong in a RE game, but at the same time RE4 is his favorite RE game, which is way more action-oriented than RE3. He doesn’t have to like it, but he makes it genuinely confusing about what he wants out of anything.
CVH said that Snyder doesn’t understand Watchmen? Lol ok wow, yikes. I’m all for people having their own opinions but his opinion there just shows that he doesn’t pay attention. I watched all of the behind the scenes and interviews of Zack during Watchmen’s press tour, the guy gets it.
No he doesn’t, you’ve read the comic right?
To say he gets it ima assume you’ve read it
I think he captured the atmosphere of it all well but the watchmen movie skipped or didn’t put much focus on the stuff that I liked the most, like when a young man and a random person were who shared name were getting along and when the whole plan of ozimandias takes place and a bunch of people die including the two but we see how one of them was trying to shield the other, the comic seems more concerned on how superheroes have trouble and make mistakes because they only really see the bad stuff of everything and not what they are trying to save, the good. I haven’t seen the film in a while and I am biased since I am not a fan of grim dark but if the impression I got from the film is the same as his or at least similar then I can understand why he thinks the way he do. I think we just see different things to enjoy when we consume media and since the film maybe didn’t capture what we wanted we get a bad vibe from the film as a whole. It’s just a matter of taste perspective if that is even a thing
@kafu Kemeh no, I just watched the film
@kafu Kemeh that is great!! A little sad they cut those from the original film. Was it Warner brothers messing with the production or something? I dunno but good to know
The inconsistency with Cosmahypocrite is just next level. He dislikes this movie so much that he straight up deliberately lies about scenes like Superman flying away and not helping people after the capitol bombing or Batman "brands Lex like a cow" or nobody told Lex how to create Doomsday. A lot of his "criticisms" could be resolved if he actually paid attention to the movie. If you're gonna critique something at least be honest and consistent about it.
Isn't that how it happened tho.
@@ZombieOwlYT how what happened?
Okay, and why are you so mad about it? I disagree with some his criticisms too most of the time, that doesn't mean I'm gonna make a full response video telling him why he's wrong for experiencing the movie the way he did. He's literally just one in a million people who make movie reviews, so why is everyone in this comments section acting like he's in some position of authority that he's actively abusing? He's just a guy with opinions, same as you and me.
And the fact that he doesn't talk about these movies outside the frame of his videos means he has a life outside of pointless endless online debates about comic book movies, it doesn't mean he isn't taking it seriously enough or anything like that, because it's just a fucking movie! So explain to me why everyone is always so obsessed with "proving" him wrong?
@@gazda69 and why are you getting so defensive about it?! Isn't this the whole point?! Having debates and all and pointing out flaws in someone's argument?! And nobody is 'obsessed' on proving him wrong. The movie has problems no doubt about that and there are moments that I don't agree with. However my frustration stems from how he misinterprets certain scenes and is disingenuous about it to his audience which further leads to more negativity and undeserved hate for the movie. If he can state his 'opinion' on the internet for millions to see, bashing the movie then don't we have the right to defend the movie we like as well?! And please don't use that excuse of it's 'just a movie' or 'having a life' or bullshit like that. This is a place of discussion where people like to say what's on their minds.
@@wilfordwarhammer8872 I see. So you see him and his opinions as just another topic of debate, which I can understand.
But you're suggesting that he has an agenda against certain movies and lying about his opinions, which doesn't make any sense to me. Marcus is a grown man who just makes videos stating his opinions about a given piece of media, has a little fun in making fun of it and then moves on to the next video. There's absolutely no reason for him to lie or to try and influence the popular opinion, because he doesn't give a shit. If he really were the dedicated BvS hater that you're making him out to be, he'd be making dozens of response videos on this topic and dedicating his entire channel towards beating that dead horse (I know that because I've seen people on UA-cam do it all the time). But no, he just makes one video saying what's on his mind and that's it, no further discussion necessary because, again, he doesn't care what everyone else thinks about the movie. If there's one thing people love to do on the internet, it's to be their authentic, raw, unfiltered self and I don't see any reason for Marcus or anyone else do the opposite. He's got other videos to make, other stuff to do than constantly talk about this one movie with some random teenagers online.
You also seem to be concerned with the fact that his videos are leading to "more negativity and undeserved hate for the movie".
Okay. So what? Are you feeling threatened by the popular opinion? Does the fact that you don't share the same views as everyone else make you like the medium in question less? Because that's my entire point in this discussion. Everyone in fandom is always so obsessed with what everyone else thinks about your favorite movie/show/comic/game/book, when in reality, it really doesn't matter. You're just setting yourself up for more anger and discontent when you constantly have to debate every minute detail about every trivial topic. Life becomes so much simpler when you stop giving a shit about what everyone else thinks, trust me on that.
For example, I love the Star Wars sequel trilogy and I'm honestly not very keen on the prequels. I know that I'm in the minority, but that doesn't mean I have to try to single handedly change the popular opinion to fit my views, because it's a waste of time and doesn't influence my own views in the slightest.
This isn't politics or human rights we're talking about, it's movies. Talking about movies is supposed to be fun and informative. But when everyone starts to get offended about each other's opinions and making a million videos "debunking" their subjective views, not only does that take the fun out of it, it's also really immature. Just like what you like. It's that simple. I'm sure you've got better stuff to do than cause yourself unnecessary frustration in pointless online debates.
Cosmonaut variety hour always comes out with the worst takes known to man out of the blue, man's thinks she hulk is good
Him talking about the clothes and saying it was a chance for “cute dialogue” shows that he didn’t want this movie to begin with, he wanted the MCU. The sheer blindness people have to the MCU is appalling and frankly terrible for the progress of superhero movies
Its amazing how people can't even defend this movie on it's own instead you gotta bring up the MCU and act like it's brainwashed people.
Terrible is too far. It still does things better than the rest of the superhero films.
@@ReaperBlaze76 Vice versa on that too. I stop talking about the shitty parts in bvs and people randomly bring up Marvel. Like why bring them up?? Complimenting them randomly bringing them up. I get their universe succeeded, but no need to keep shitting on it because I diss a bad DC film.
Lol ooook
@@ReaperBlaze76 but Tex didn’t bring up Marcus being a MCU fanboy, he actually defended it with facts
This Cosmetic guy proved that the movie portrayed the real world effortlessly. It's just that people don't understand what kind of world they are living in. They want to live in a "fucking dream world" as Zack Snyder said.
People can't even agree about this movie, imagine how would they react to an alien.
the movie is fuckin bad, thats why people cant agree. in real life, anybody with a brain in their head would prefer a superman than a rockhead in a cape calling himself batman who cant deal with zod level threats.
Why should a Batman and Superman movie portray the real world? It could try, but that shouldn't be the point of a universe of awesome characters, just a bleak, semi-hopeful, dreadful world. Watchmen's job could be to "portray the real world effortlessly," but the movie didn't do that, the comic and the show did. (Not that I'm saying I don't like bleakness, but BvS has almost no signs of life, absolutely everybody is sad)
@@swarley6587 actually people relate to a real depiction. Its what makes it interesting because it portrays a reaction people would have to such occurrences. Its why people took a liking to the original lion king, Its a cartoon about lions that makes feel emotions for cartoon lions, the imagery is not real but the characters feel real and memorable. The characters in other superhero movies have no depth to them, they are all smash and no emotion or emote for only 2 minutes and resume smashing and gloating.
@@swarley6587 Go watch "Sadak 2" 😂😂😂
@@swarley6587 go say that to The Boys
The fact that this guy likes captain marvel and the last Jedi says a lot
Oh no opinions
@@centinel0228 i mean opinions are fine and all but if you, as a movie critic, come up to me and tell me suicide squad is a fantastic movie then my respect for you as a movie critic is probably going to the floor.
@@hotox23-56 ok. That’s fine but there is a difference between liking a movie and thinking it’s good.
Last jedi was good.
@@jared50709 naw
On the whole neck break thing he keeps forgetting that Zod is just as strong as him. Maybe he could've moved his head but could he really? He's another kryptonian. If he doesn't want to move his head then he won't. And then if he didn't kill them and risk the chance of him getting free then so many more would die just so maybe there is a chance that Zod can be captured. Who the hell would do that?
Bro had enough strength to break his neck,i get what they were going for but the execution was pretty bad,
@@Nabiliyur Yeah but that was probably all his strength. Zod could have probably easily resisted Superman trying to slowly move his head because he is holding back.
@@thedarktyrant i feel like if there were gonna give supes an ultimatum then they should have not have killed so many people in metropolis and make it where it is reasonable for us to believe that supes had no other choice
Here supes could have quite literally fly bro out of the vicinity,or get in front of him,there was alot of things he could have done in that situation
@@Nabiliyur Yeah but Zod is still more experienced and equally or more powerful. Zod could also force the fight in Metropolis because he knows what will happen.
I don’t agree with a lot of things you said but you were respectful and I can see that you spent a lot of time on this video so I’ll give you a like
I mean he said facts
@@gemrem6483 Wdym some of the things in this video are based off preference and opinion in what you want in a superhero movie and what you think these characters should be, what Marcus thought simply wasn’t what he thought
@@ehi_ij that can go both ways Marcus had a opinion and he had a opinion movies are subjective you can like it or don’t.
@@gemrem6483 That’s basically what I just said, Marcus never said his opinion was a fact, but that’s something they forgot to factor in this while saying someone else doesn’t get the film
@@gemrem6483 To have a valid opinion still demands an understanding of the movie which Marcus didn't entirely showed. Take the Capitol part. Marcus said Superman bounced out of there after the bombing without helping anyone. Then Tex showed that in reality that wasn't true. Superman saved the senator landing her on a stretcher to then be ask not to intervene further by the medic. Superman looks around and at Lois in pain then he goes away. Marcus twist small things like these to further "prove" he is right.
Something else I realized about Marcus - he hates every single fighting style. He hates when Marvel characters do "karate", while simultaneously hating when DC characters "throw each other around". But hes always bringing up comic books, so technically he should be able to realize that Superman isnt a trained fighter, so why wouldn't he just throw himself at other people as his fighting style? Idk I used to like Marcus but now his opinions are less credible, he judges movies off of what HE wants to see without giving actual evidence or reasoning to back it up.
That’s absolutely not true, he has stated he likes DC’s fight choreography more than marvel and was a fan of the choreography in Daredevil and the other Netflix shows
@@jaytheactivist8520 wait really? Idk why but it just seems like everytime he watches DC movie's fighting style he criticizes it a lot.
@@javierloera2624 he loved the fight scene with Batman in the wear house, just didn’t like him killing the guy at the end with a gun
@@jaytheactivist8520 ik about that one. But I'm talking about the ones where Superman will slam Zod into a building or a road, etc.
@@javierloera2624 he makes that in marvel movies too, he call them ERJB’s. A dumb CGI fight at the end of movies
Cosmonaut even said nolan don't understand batman and he read only 3-4 comics and made the movie and I was like wtf are you talking about?
i mean cosmonaut had read a lot of batman comics and in one of his other video he called it the best superhero movie. He knows what he’s talking about
Nolan doesn't understand Batman though.
@@nathanevans1382 i never said he did
The reason nolan batmans work because nothing godlike character exist, and the actual nemesis of batman is on same power level with him. Better stick batman with their human goons rather than alien godlike
In all fairness the Nolan movies aren’t exactly the best representation of Batman. They’re okay (for the most part), but the best ways he’s been portrayed outside of comic is animated shows/movies and in the Arkham games (the actual Arkham games not SSKTJL, that doesn’t count)
This bod has some good points but I will never like a Batman who kills, or kills with guns
one of the most funniest thing is that one of the best DC series is Injustice and you might know what happened in that series
Injustice is an alternative universe dude it doesn’t represent Superman come on dude read Allstar Superman
@@trevordunn3728 i was just telling that dark superman is also a great storyline
Alternate Universe
@@trevordunn3728 did you read what you commented? ZACH SNYDERS DC MOVIES ARE ALSO PART OF THE DC MULTIVERSE , AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE bruh
Injustice is not one of DCs best. It’s good, especially for a fighting game story, but it’s an alternate universe where half the characters don’t act or react like they should
Batman V Superman, the movie no one understands, apparently.
Moustache Guy,
I personally love BVS Especially the ultimate edition
Honestly.
Kinda hard to understand a trainwreck
@@sth02 How is it a trainwreck? You just have to use a little bit of your brain, and pay attention for more than 1 minute at a time.
Except actually a lot of people as it has become a cult classic.
Giving it 2/10 is just Blasphemy, it's like comparing it with movies like Catwoman or Fan4stic
@CARPAINTANNY Theres a reason for that though. Justice League is terrible. It’s up there with Fan4stic as one of the worst movies ever made. But it’s like the MCU movies: loud action set pieces with campy to lame jokes thrown in. Easy to digest. BvS tried be edgy, dark and different, while also having loud action set pieces, with some jokes, even though far and in between. Add the fact the characters don’t really work, and you have a 28% score on rotten tomatoes. Again, HATE Justice League. But BvS has flaws.
I would give it a 4/10 tbh.
Catwoman is better it so bad that its funny batman vs superman is just boring and bad
@CARPAINTM3 i mean both suck
That’s because it is😂