It’s crazy that the dceu continuity got so muddled that we have to refer to things like “the snyderverse” just to know what part of the continuity we’re talking about
The main DCEU ("Synderverse") The CW Universe ("Arrowverse") The James Gunn DC Universe The Superman and Lois Universe Joker Universe The Batman Universe Gotham Universe Titans Universe Doom Patrol Universe Krypton Universe Warner Bros Animated DC Universe (not the DCAU) The DCAU (Batman the Animated Series to Justice League Unlimited) And I'm sure there's more I forgot.
That same claim was made by writer Greg Pak, the lead writer of Batman/Superman: one of the few writers who understood both characters and could write good things out of the New 52. Pak had a very good reputation in the community and his success came from the fact he considered the New 52 an actual starting point; he was writing something from the ground up to the established status quo and managed to make the New 52 characters actually develop and get better as heroes. Pak was a guy who could make the Nu52 Superman and Batman complex characters that both adhered to the old status quo and stood on their own. In contrast, Snyder and Goyer just thought "Different version = We can do whatever the hell we want". This is why we have an utterly depressed Superman who originally planned to join freaking Darkseid in destroying Earth, so Batgod could steal Lois Lane away and had to save the day. It's a complete rip on both characters and destroys everything they're supposed to represent. The DCEU doesn't fail because it "ain't your grandpa's Superman', it's because it was stupidly dark, uninspiring, and soulless. The viewers also aren't idiots; they can see that the entire universe has been nothing more than Snyder and Goyer's multimillion-dollar pet project pushing their fan fiction into mainstream, and people aren't happy about that abuse of power and money.
4 hours was definitely not the original cut. If Snyder finished the film as planned, he would've made a 2 and a half hour movie. it is clear that once the fans heard there was 4 hours of footage, Snyder jumped on the band wagon to put more slo mo
snyder in context has stated that he made it into 4 hours because he treated it as a streaming movie. plus the original plant for the snydercut release was to be somewhat of a mini series style
Your point? Everyone knew that. Snyder said so. He had several cuts. The cut that aired was to be shown in 4 chapters. You know you added nothing to the conversation that wasn't known, directly from the Director's mouth. I get it you don't like his vision. Fine. Others did. Let them be. Good luck with Gunn. Funny Suicide Squad doesn't get the same hate, and that movie, though I was entertained, when you watch it... it was a ridiculous film. Funny ... you guys never dissect that. Especially a full frontal that was absolutely not needed but only there to body shame the actor. But not a nitpick of that illogical film.
@seyio1717 no.... an Adult. Children call ppl names young one. Or perhaps you had nothing to directly address my response. But no Snder"bot" or whatever that means. Just a grown up that doesn't live in echo chambers. I get it, we are hard to find online, but you've met one. Nice to meet you.
Reminder that the actor for Zod (Michael Shannon) was so confused at the idea of his character coming back in Flashpoint, he genuinely thought they were lying to him and he called Zack Snyder to confirm it was real. He also had Zack explain to him what multiverse means
I honestly think some of these actors don't know what's going on when reading these convoluted superhero scripts. They're just doing it so they can buy a mansion. Reminds me of the Gwyneth Paltrow interview where she doesn't know which Marvel movies she's been in..
@@One.Zero.One101 either the money bags or they genuinely can't understand half the lines they're trying to act out no matter how hard they tried. Probably both
Also this is a nitpick but I think Luthor should just. Be bald. It doesn't have to be a trauma thing or some big event his personality simply leads him to the decision to remove every hair from his head before he appears on screen and it's not some weird character moment.
@@stephenwonghongweng4298Yeah, there's no need to come up with a dramatic reason for Lex Luthor to be bald. We don't need a bald origin story. Some dudes are just bald, it's not that interesting.
@@diegomedina9637 Wasn't Injustice's fault. It was idiot writers missing the point and premise of Injustice. The whole idea behind Injustice was a "what if" scenario. What if you took Superman, and removed his defining quality as a hero (restraint/self-control)? What would a Superman gone rogue look like? It was never supposed to be a "dark" superman or a "gritty" adaptation - it was a thought experiment (and excuse to have heroes fight each other in a video game).
@@freman007nah it’s too goofy and a white man’s version of anime, which is just cringe. I haven’t watched Season 2 tho so maybe it gets better, but it’s nothing special imo. Yes they got Clark right but his supporting cast is weak in comparison Lois Lane tomboy design goes hard tho, I just think Jimmy and the writing in general for that show could be so much better (again haven’t seen S2)
To me ,Snyder films has always been the best example of darkness doesn’t equal good ,just because it’s dark doesn’t mean it’s better then a colourful light hearted done right film
"Is there anything Zack won't slow down for dramatic effect?" Well after Rebel Moon we can cross harvesting from the list. I wonder what he will give us next? Someone shitting in slo-mo? Would at least be the perfect representation of his last masterpieces ...
I can't remember the movie (The Big Hit maybe) where the director talked about how John Woo told him to chill on the slow-motion... and when John Woo tells you're overdoing slo-mo, you listen.
@@stevenclubb7718 The funny thing about Snyder is that he still says in interviews he isn't doing that much slo-mo. And i think he might really believe this is true. Just like he thinks using a broken camera lens is a good idea.
And Wonder Woman is a 110 pound model who cant act and has a bad accent, despite living in America for over 100 years. Oh, and Aquaman is a dude-bro. (Which would've been acceptable if they didn't name him Arthur Curry.)
Jonathan Kent's philosophy is inspired by Ayn Rand, who Snyder was a fanboy of at the time. I wouldn't recommend it, it's as badly written as you'd expect.
@@MarvinPowell1it would have been worse than that with WW. Snyder originally had that wartime picture Bruce finds of her in BvS be her in The Crimean War holding a load of decapitated heads
We need to stop giving Superman to directors who hate Superman. Superman isn’t dark. The story can be dark and gritty, but Superman’s character CANNOT, under any circumstances, be dark and gritty. Superman is joyous, cheerful, and compassionate. Even in that “all or nothing” scene with General Zod Superman would’ve found a way to neutralize Zod without killing him. Because that’s who Superman is. This is the reason why Tyler Hoechlin is my favorite version of Superman, because despite all the difficulties and darkness, Superman remains cheerful and compassionate. Sad thing is, Henry Cavill would make the PERFECT proper Superman. Just look at him in interviews. He’s more Superman in real life than he is in Snyder’s films. EDIT: those who're here with the "oh clean and pure Superman is unrealistic and cannot be written in live action!!" go watch the CW show. Get off the Henry Cavill high and give Superman and Lois a shot. It has dark and gritty stories throughout the seasons, but Superman himself is never dark or broody. Leave the brooding to Batman.
What you don't understand Man of Steel was not portraying a Superman. It was meant as a trilogy where Clark Kent/Kal El becomes a Superman in second or third movie. There is a reason why this film is not called Superman. But between Man of Steel and Man of Steel 2 (which never happened) Warner Bros realized that they need a shared universe, now! So Snyder got a task to created a shared universe with based on a movie that was planed as stand alone trilogy about some Alien becoming Superman. So not in Man of Steel, not in BvS and maybe not in ZSJL (with possible exception for the last scene) we see Superman. We just see an alien in Superman costume, who is on his journey to become Superman (or at least was before Warned Bros decided to trow at him shared universe).
@@Hadar1991 That's nonsense. Superman is supposed to be the way he is because he was raised by loving parents who instilled him with those values. In the Snyderverse he was raised by miserable, self-loathing d-bags who were embarassed at their son having so much power and tried to browbeat him into accepting "normalcy" with psychological torment so they wouldn't have to feel so inadequate. You know, because "dark" and "gritty". This is how you create a Homelander not a Superman.
@@shiroamakusa8075 To be absolutely honest I never understood why so many people has problem with how MoS was raised, but maybe because I am not American. But from my perspective Clark was raised by loving and responsible parents, but also reasonable ones, because let's be realistic - if Clark ever publicly manifested his abilities as a child, he would be forcefully taken by the government and studied as a rat in some underground bunker.
@@Hadar1991 Sorry, but loving parents do not decide to torment their children by deliberately saddling them with guilt for their suicide. This is actually a prime marker for narcissism.
@@shiroamakusa8075loving parents also don’t guilt trip their kid by saying “maybe you should have let those kids die” like an actual loving parent would have told that mother to shut the hell up and be grateful that Clark saved her kid
Doomsday Clock had a lot of neat ideas in it, wish it came out on a better schedule, but one of the messages I take from it is your point exactly. Superman being as grim as Batman, lacking that Hope and Compassion at a deep enough level, leaves the DC Universe a hollow place.
Also here's the thing, for people defending it for Realism 1. Dark and Gritty is not the same thing as Realistic. 2. Realism isn't the superior choice in every situation, there are some stories that are best told in an unrealistic fashion.
Realism is an art style like any other. It still has to follow the conventions of other art styles to be good. Defending Snyder's flaws as a fault of realism is like defending a crappy garage band because "jazz is supposed to suck." Anyone who has any experience with music or jazz would find that comment short-sighted and revolting, so why do we tolerate it for realism?
Also we are talking about superheroes. The last thing I want is "realism" Just have things make sense character-wise and most fans will accept a lot of unrealistic stuff
@@BetaDude40 This! 1000x this! Especially with videogames. I can't tell you how often I see people brush off awful design decisions that make a game significantly worse with the chestnut of "but it's realistic". Oh? I'm sorry! I guess we should have to fill up gas and do paperwork, and all of those things in games too. Should have to go to the DMV cuz your license expired and pay taxes... Or, to get back to movies, it should be in realtime, and we watch the characters go to the bathroom even when it has no artistic merit. The movie takes place over a week? Week long runtime of meandering barely relevant events with a few days where anything relevant happens, because that's how real life is... Afterall, it's realistic and therefore fine... Not like realism has to be extremely selective selective in order to make anything good out of it or anything... *rolls eyes*
@ I agree with you, but I was actually sort of implying the opposite. Realism is a popular and relatable artstyle that focuses primarily on using patterns from real life. And like any artstyle, the point is to convey emotions and illicit a response in the audience. Realism as an artform excels at very quickly immersing the audience, because we can very much see ourselves in the stories and media. I love realism also because it imposes a strict set of criteria on a story, and while people will always disagree where that lies, I do believe having those kinds of restrictions can breed creative workarounds or responses. But of course, yes, I agree, most people don't know what Realism is, they want what is "realistic," which is just pedantic and subjective criticisms of how fiction should adhere to reality, without actually saying anything productive. Hopefully people will grow more literate to that kind of stuff instead of floundering about in minutiae about whether or not "x character should have a gun cuz it's what I'd do" or whatever other brainlet take people have.
Someone needs to ask Zack Snyder how it feels to have his multi-million dollar destruction porn series be outclassed by a cartoon series that came out over a decade ago.
Out classed ? TF, are you talking about? He left 7 years ago. Dude, how old are you? If you guys hate it so much, why you can't keep Snyder's name out your mouth and talk more about what you like? The man lost his daughter and you guys seemed to have lost your minds along with your sense of decency (if you ever had any) by saying the same thing over and over again. FYI if Superman had existed, his fights would looked like that which was the point, and why in BVS the topic of Superman existence and help, just like in the real world he would've been an issue. If Superman interfered, he'd be an enemy of the US. The same guy you cried "didn't smile, or save anyone- which he did, in the real world would not save everyone, and his fights would level the city as it did in comics.
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 no one ever said they hated Zack Snyder people have a right to voice how they feel about those movies and let's be real his DC movies were absolute trash no matter how much people want to keep trying to defend these movies and make excuses for them they were not great at all they were the complete opposite of what people wanted to see from these characters Zack Snyder is a prime example of when did raptors don't have a clear understanding of these characters and the source material that they came from I mean what's not forget that Zack Snyder wanted to try to kill off Lois Lane in Batman versus Superman which would have been stupid and completely would have made no sense at all because Lois Lane is a very important character in The lore of Superman if not just as important as Superman is yeah so doesn't even have a clear understanding of Batman either but this isn't to say that he's the only director that's guilty of this Brian singer is another one that's guilty of this as well their stories they've come out over the years about him not allowing the cast to read any of the X-Men comics when they were making the first X-Men film this is a huge problem with people like Zack Snyder and others who don't have a clear understanding of these characters it's not that hard to make things accurate to the source material that's all fans want and then they wonder why these movies get the criticism that they get because they refuse to give fans what they want to see when it comes to these characters if fans with their own independence studios can put together fan films that are accurate to the source material then why the hell can't these directors and writers do the exact same thing?
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 Tyler Hoechlin's Superman is what Superman would be like if he was real. Snyder's Superman is flat out awful he has zero personality. Watching paint fry is more interesting than Snyder's Superman. Zack Snyder is a terrible storyteller and I'm glad he's done with DC. His films were terrible. Superman isn't a realistic character but he has realistic ideals. His pure and uncorrupted optimism is what humanity should stride towards. That's the whole point of Superman. He's hopeful and optimistic in a dark world. He brings hope to those that desperately need it. He's not an emotionless robot like Snyder's version. Snyder's Superman is a disgrace to the character. It's more disrespectful than Frank Miller's version. Superman vs the Elite is a brilliant film. It's basically Superman vs Zack Snyder. I highly recommend it.
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731you lost your sense of decency the moment you brought up Snyder’s daughter as an excuse to not criticize his storytelling. It’s sad that his daughter died, no one deserves to go through that. And the fact that the Snyderverse movement managed to raise so much money for Suicide Prevention is a genuinely great accomplishment that deserves to be remembered and celebrated. But that has absolutely nothing to do with his awful storytelling.
@@xxxtrainstation1049 True, true. Besides. The original Watchmen comic was intended by Alan Moore (before he went banana-balls) as a "pick your side" scenario, and I'm not surprised that he and the film's writers chose to side with Rorschach when they adapted it (though I think siding with Dr. Manhattan is the best choice, personally).
@@NebLleb @robkrol2137 That's because Znyder has a super boner for superhumans and edgy stuff. He loves them and doesn't give a rat's ass about "normie" humans. "Who watches the watchers" totally flew over his head.
@@NebLleb in what way did Moore go bananna balls? what is he saying that is so wrong? Frank Miller is literally a fascist, and the real problem with snyders interpretation of these characters, and you call Moore banana balls???
@@xxxtrainstation1049 The HBO show actually does a great job at adapting the source material while building off of it in a natural way. It's the last episode or 2 that kinda lost me though
I have always said, Snyder accidentally created INJUSTICE Superman. The only acceptable ending to DCEU would have been the real Superman coming from the real earth and defeating this evil snyder superman
What people don't understand is that there is no Superman in DCEU. Snyder meant to create trilogy of Man of Steel films, where an alien in a suit with superpowers realizes what does it mean to be a Superman. So Henry Cavill is playing NotSupermanYet. And between MoS and MoS2 the studio realized they want to have shared universe like Marvel and told Snyder to created one based on the first Man of Steel. So he was stuck with a hero who does not yet understand what to mean to be Superman, so he decided it to contracts it with a Batman who is not Batman anymore. But this went over most people head, that BvS is NotSupermanYet vs NotBatmanAnymore and he wanted to both to realize what it means to Superman (for the first time) and Batman (again).
@@Hadar1991I don't like the idea of "Superman is too alien to be Superman yet" because he's literally raised as a human by human parents amongst human peers and with human values. He even looks like a perfect human! Aside from the powers, how alien is he really? And why, when he has been raised this way for his entire life, should he ever have "alien" behaviours? He could feel like an outsider, sure, but more in the sense of someone with an immigrant background. The way he behaves in the MoS film is just so bizarrely disconnected from his actual human past, as if he hasn't been living on the Planet Earth from age
Snyder should've just created Injustice Superman instead. His Superman would've worked much better there since that is clearly the kind of Superman he was going for anyway. The Superman we got felt out of place because he was meant for a darker world.
@@suikim9194I think the thing that draws people into cavill isn’t his acting skill, it’s his love of the characters he plays. He’s a super nerd, and is typically the most vocal person on set for staying true to source material no matter what role he’s in. This is seen especially with the Witcher show
Luthor was cast as Luthor from Superman Birthright and this is probably the most comic accurate portrayal in all of DCEU. But we are talking about Luthor from Superman Birthright, not from other comics.
@@Hadar1991"comic accurate🤓" said by the no.1 snyder meatrider😂 that is the worst casting ever. Bro just stop snyder ain't gonna let you lick his balls.
My biggest problem with Man of Steel is that i dont think theres a single scene where young Clark is smiling or happy. If you want to deconstruct the Superman character, fine, but this is supposed to be the definitive 21st century blockbuster take on the character, and he's constantly getting bullied, told that people will fear him, and that he should hold back on saving lives. I'm sorry, this sounds like an origin for Brightburn or Homelander, not *THE DC superhero.*
To be honest as Eastern European I did not notice anything wrong with how Clark was being raise up. I would even say that he had very thoughtful and caring father. And while we don't smile very often we definitely are not Brightburns and Homelanders. :D
@@Hadar1991 Yes but you are not farmers from the American Midwest. Superman's parents in every other iteration are friendly, kind, down to earth people who do their best to make their son happy. For Americans, it is odd not to smile frequently.
This is how I would’ve written some of Man of Steel’s scenes. Instead of Clark’s dad shaming him for revealing his powers to save those kids it should’ve been Clark shaming himself and it’s his dad who says “what were you supposed to do? Just let them die?”. In his battle with Zod we should’ve seen Clark try to save people while also fighting him off. Then, Zod does the laser beam thing, but this time he’s torching the whole city and Clark tries everything in his power to move him or block his vision, but nothing works. So, his only option is to snap his neck and after that we see how torn up about it he is.
Yeah, it would have worked if we saw him trying to get Zod out of the city, but Zod wanted to cause as much destruction as possible to punish Superman.
Both of the ideas that you have are so much better than what he got in the real movie. I especially like the first one, because not only does it make Clark's father actually sound caring and even encouraging, but it sets up Clark's hero arc and gives him an actual reason to want to keep saving others. His one true motivation as Superman is a question that he asks himself based on that one alternative line you suggested for his father. "Are you going to just let them d!e?"
@@eliesh3833 EXACTLY!😃 Thank you. That’s what I’m talking about. I get that they were trying to establish that this world might not be ready for superman and his dad was trying to say that he doesn’t have all the answers, but the way it was handled just made him look like an uncaring, control freak.
It's crazy how just changing 2 things would have made the movie so much better. It still wouldn't have been great (imo), but this would have fixed Clark's character arc for sure.
I honestly feel when it comes to the Snyder cultists... they're not fans. To me, their insistence that WB continues this universe or that Snyder should keep working on it is to basically want the man to suffer. Snyder has made it clear how much of a tiring, stressful experience it was working on the DC movies and for WB just in general, the same company who prior to Matt Reeves being hired for The Batman apparently in one attempt to nab him for the director role had a meeting with executives end in a shouting match. The same company who told Joss Whedon he had only a few months to reshoot JL and would not give him more time since they wanted that holiday release and that would interfere with monetary bonuses. Honestly, who in the FUCK would ever want to work under those conditions? If they were fans of Snyder as in actual fans of the man? I'd think they'd want to support Snyder in his other projects, encourage him to do what will make him happy and be fulfilling. I didn't like Rebel Moon but honestly I could tell from watching it he was in a MUCH better place seemingly working on it and Army of the Dead. With ZSJL? I really got the feeling he was happy to get his vision out there and payday and was glad to know as soon as this was over, he'd never have to work for that company ever again. And for those who are fans or insist this universe is dark and mature? Without knocking those who do genuinely love the movies, this kind of thinking reeks of insecurity. It's like the reaction to that Adi Shankar "Power/Rangers" thing which was made as a parody of dark reboots by a non-fan and yet it was viewed by people who weren't PR fans as being what the franchise should do or people reverting to how they are in high school because someone called what they liked just childish nonsense and so they want to stick it to those guys with these movies so they can point to them and go "You see?! They are dark and mature. I was right!".
The ironic part is that by trying so hard to be "mature" the Snyderverse comes across as the exact opposite. It's the kind of shit that an angry teenager would write about and claim is the most hardcore thing to ever happen actually bro!! It exudes CoD lobby energy and smells of Mtn Dew.
I honestly think it’s more them caring about the art more than the artist. They love Zack’s work but they give no craps about him as a person or just outright ignore him if he does something that doesn’t fit their narrative. They constantly crap on James Gunn despite Zack having nothing but good things to say about him and being generally supportive of Gunn’s vision for DC, heck they constantly defame Gunn by bringing up the old risqué tweets he made, whilst ignoring the fact that Gunn helped Zack set up Snyder-con, Zack showed that Gunn provided him with an IMAX copy of The Suicide Squad to test the sound and picture with and thanked Gunn on his social media for it calling it a great movie. Yes Snyder’s fans ignore this and constantly act like they are enemies and that TSS was bad despite the fact that Snyder and Gunn get along and Snyder likes the movie they love to crap in
What you're talking about are people who are emotionally stunted, similar to the basement gamer type, they like to only make everything about them and their weird identity with this movie and they can't move on from that. It's just sad.
I literally know someone who is a Snyder fan and he acts so insecure when talking about Snyder but respectful on every other project. He is my ultimate frenemy and I hate Snyder’s movies but I mean nothing against him as a person, I’m sure he’s a great person, wb can go to hell though. People just need to stop! The snyderverse is dead! It’s never coming back! And Snyder is happier that it’s dead and he’s doing his own work. I don’t like those movies but I’m happy he’s doing stuff he wants to do.
I will never forget that Snyder likes Watchmen not for the deep philosophical themes and messages, but because it had superheroes that swear and have sex. No really, that's what he said. Even beyond that though, I think the man's a hack. Basically all the bad things people said/say about Michel Bay I think about Zach Snyder.
And Michael Bay is 100% self aware. HE KNOWS his movies are goofy CGI shit! He knows what he likes isn’t for everyone and doesn’t condescend because of it. Zack lacks any form of self awareness or humility and assumes those who dislike his poor writing or his ill formed renditions of popular media are too naive to understand it.
One thing that always annoyed me about this version of Superman is that Pa Kents death was preventable, and he only died to keep Clark's powers a secret. Its always much better when Pa Kent dies of some incurable disease because it shows Clark that his powers can't solve everything and that his power as a symbol of hope and empathy is just as important as his strength and indestructibility.
With the speed he can move, he could have easily grabbed him the split second before he got sucked up, and just 'found' him miraculously alive under some rubble after the tornado passed. His decision only makes sense if Clark _couldn't_ move fast enough to both grab him and make it look like he hadn't, which he absolutely could have! Sure, its unlikely to survive getting sucked into a tornado, but who tf there was going to be like "I'm suspicious you survived because your son is actually a super powered alien that saved you at the last second with super speed"? They're just going to think its one of those amazing survival stories.
@aidenpopour594 wait till you hear that the christ allegory started with Donners 1978 Superman. And has been a reccuring theme in comics since then. Yes, this is a problem only if you claim that original characterisation trumps the dominating history of the character. If so, you then need to accept a version of Superman that is vindictive and can be a douchebag. For reference too, Superman was also co-opted as an propaganda symbol for America. Superman has a messy history and at least Snyder doesn't pretend it never existed. At least he's the only director to actually challenge the god allegories in BvS but you guys will selectively ignore it for your arguments
@e.adelyo I really love how everyone in this thread decided to ignore you and not take you seriously for being exactly why we’re glad the Snyder verse ain’t ever coming back lol
Good. The DCEU ruined the public perception of my favorite character. They keep trying so hard to turn Superman into a grimdark Batman like. He is NOT Batman
Nobody Cares, Because DCEU Will live on with Snyderverse, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #DontRejectTheSnyderverse #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
What goes over most people head is that there is no Superman in DCEU. Snyder is criticized for over-exposition and don't trusting that viewers will understand the message, but still, the main motif of the franchise, goes over so many heads. That alien in Superman suit, is not Superman yet, he is on his journey to understand what means to be Superman (which was meant to realize in Man of Steel 3, before WB told Snyder to create a multiverse after he shot the first Man of Steel). On the other hand, that man in Batman suit is not Batman anymore. He once was Batman, but after 2 decades of fighting monsters he became a monster himself and is lacking his humanity, he lack all the attributes that made him Batman in the past. Not he is just vengeful monster-fighting monster, who once was Batman.
I just don't trust live action heroes anymore. Almost every animated film or cartoon does it better. The MCU had the magic formula for a while, but quickly stopped taking themselves seriously and started cutting corners for profit, rushing their employees to make everything feel the same with shallow "meta" humour instead of developing and highlighting the different feel of each hero and their unique teams. I just want my heroes to be heroic and stand, unironically and honestly, in the face of dire circumstances and actually inspire us by the end. Superman is supposed to be no.1 at that. Inspiring hope in others is basically his whole thing!
And even with millions of dollars at his disposal he couldn't make a 'Punisher' even a tiny fraction as good or interesting as Jon Bernthal in the Netflix series.
@@Shockguey it’s not that it’s in the comics both superman and Batman put bad guys either in a phantom zone or Gotham asylum bats and superman they have been saying we don’t kill in comics
He fundamentally fucked up batman and Superman, the two most popular dc hero’s. He helped fuck up flash who is the 3rd. You could argue wonder woman and aquaman aren’t fucked up but that has less to do with Snyder and more to do with the other people working on those films
Superman/Batman: Public Enemies >>>> Batman Vs Superman Never vibed with the Snyderverse It’s all spectacle and I never liked the concept of pitting Supes and Batman each other, them being a duo is so much more entertaining.
@@ChucNguyen-yb4bqSuperman the Animated Series. It’s part of the DC Animated Series, the continuity consisting of Batman TAS, Batman Beyond, Justice League TAS, Static Shock, and Justice League Unlimited.
The fact that Snyder thinks having Batman shoot people in a situation where he's forced to shoot people makes me question what degree of faith there was in these films. Like, he's literally the guy that put the Detective in DC's name, known for wits that rival the likes of Sherlock Holmes...and you think he should risk being seen as no better than any common crook he's faced let alone the man who shot his parents? Good on you for letting your vision be realized and sorry about your loss, but you're kind of a dummy.
@Walke-ts Batman "shooting with reckless abandoned henchmen?" Gross oversimplification.... or we literally didn't watch the same film. What I saw was henchmen shooting recklessly at Batman in the streets, and Batman fires back and puts them down." Also further context, from source material and lore, thus was a Batman with about 20-25 years of experience fighting Gotham criminals.This was the same Batman that lost his adopted son to the Joker. Not only this being in the actual comics but it's literally said in the film, and depicted more than once, as why Batman was so brutal. I mean... it's in the context of the film. Judge the film for what it presented not watch you wish to have projected, which sounds like it damn near ever "Snyder hater and h@te group" seems to do. Btw... he hasn't shot a film for DC in over 7 years.... relax. You've got "full frontal Gunn." Good luck with that.
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 Snyder literally said he did it because he was told not to for one. And for two Batman doesn't kill it's dumb when he does the dark knight rises had the message Batman doesn't need guns.
@@ii-mp1sp You do know Batman only kills in a few right? And technically Superman didn't they planned on bringing Zod back before the superman at the time broke his back.
Thank you for saying what everyone is thinking, it baffles me how people enjoyed that. As a batman enjoyer, his portrayal is just so "I'm 14 and edgy vibe"
Agree! There’s no difference between the characters of Superman (clean-cut boy scout) and Batman (no-kill, brooding badass with a heart of gold). Snyder managed to make them both indistinguishably grey, bland and unnecessarily violent. The MCU’s Iron Man/Cap dynamic embraced character individualities and milked the friction caused by their differences. The fight between them in Civil War felt earned, it had weight to it. The fight in BvS felt empty because the characters were empty.
do you think bruce will understand? bruce thinks he is an alien with no connection to human at all. bruce doesn't know he is clark kent. superman knows because he can see through the mask. he realise he has mother when he said martha and lois explains it.
@@vladislaav supes could’ve just said “luthor has my mother” because “martha” could mean anyone, he just lucked out that the guy trying to murder him also had a mum named martha
I am a Comic Book Nut, I can accept the fact that there are other versions of beloved superheoes. I don't hate Snyder as a person, he seems like a decent guy, but I despise his DC Movies and movies in general, they are FUGLY to look at, his stories do not make an ounce of sense, and more importantly the movies are insulting to specific fanbases.
Yes, this. I personally don't hate Snyder and I'm sorry for his lose and hope God is there for him, but man his stand alone work is so messy that you barely know what's going on. A modern example of this is Rebel Moon, it had interesting ideas even if takes them from other genres (basically like Warhammer40k) but the execution left more to be desired.
So you blame him on your |lmited ability to understand? Is that also how you criticize Christopher Nolan for not understanding one of his films? For the three films he directed at DC he almost explained things with apples. What you do not understand?
@@luiseduardomurillomartinez I don't blame the guy for having a vision it's how he chooses to execute that vision. You can like Snyder's movies all you want, I have no problem for you to like them, but for me I don't see it.
Anyone with a hint of media literacy cheered when The Snyderverse died. Zach Snyder has proven time and time again that he’s the Steven Seagal of directing/writing/filmmaking. The fact that he’s even allowed near a movie production set shows how rotten to the core Hollywood is.
The fact that you can notice these critical issues with the Snyder's films without even knowing the comics or without any personal attachment to some of this characters is emblmeatic of how bad the Snyderverse is.
Stop being stvpid and ¡gnorant. Only sheeple will pay for Gunn's PedoVerse. You need to educate yourself. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD
@@GODCONVOYPRIME Stop being stvpid and ¡gnorant. Only sheeple will pay for Gunn's PedoVerse. You need to educate yourself. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse #FireJamesGunn #BoycottWBD
How wrong some of This critics are....and how baddly a lot tried to debunk something great....in all movies if you tried to bring them all things to the Logic sense of out reality we always find some flows and errors and nonsenses.... The facto is This new modern aproach for Superman is awesome and is in reality a great CBM,despite that you agreed with some of the decisions in the film or not.....look, to the intire mcu that is considerer too many fans of this genre as the greatest superheros movies and look how bad are most part of his films and how many issues got the infinite saga if you tried to make a good Logic of they're actions and nonsenses and full of plot holes when you tried to atached all the logic debated in these kind of movies....i consider MoS a much better movie then most part of the mcu and how cruel was the criticism toward the snyderverse
Retconning that general from Man of Steel into Martian Manhunter was an egregious sin. Narratively it made NO sense, just reveals himself at the end saying “I guess I’ll help, next time”
@@MsTrianglenope he is talking about the general who was made into Martian Manhunter who just sitting idly by as the world came to an end. If Snyder failed Superman and Batman, imagine how bad he would handle Green Lantern
The idea that DC is dark and gritty comes from fans who read nothing other than Batman. DC is bright and full of hope. Sure, it has some adult and darker material, but it's not pervasive into the greater universe. Metropolis is optimistic, Superman is a boy scout. To pretend otherwise is just silly. The Snyder stuff is like fan fiction written by an angsty 13 year old.
People read the dark alternate universe hypothesis comics that started coming out in the 90s and began associating that as the main canon. They were never meant to carry the main story or be the definitive versions of these characters, just alt-history for the fun of it.
You forgot to mention that, allegedly, Snyder hired an ad agency to create an astroturfing campaign to kick the Release The Snyder Cut hashtag into high-gear. It wasn’t an organic movement of passionate fans, it was a bunch of fans being manipulated just so a man could get his director’s cut released.
Wich is GREAT even if he did so. Warner taking the opportunity to butcher his movie after his daughter death was SICK... Even if I'm not a fan of him, this was disgusting...
@@joshevertonytsnyder really didn't appreciate the characters one bit. He made a film for himself mostly all his films are like that it's for him not the audience!
I thought I'm the only one too. I hate how his movies are so colorless for such a colorful universe. Even if there are colors, it felt as if they're trying to wash it all away. The good thing is it encouraged me to go outside.
snyder needs to never touch the writing end of things. 300 and Watchmen were both fine. however the cliches and tropes of his style he tim burtoned himself in literally less than half the time by doubling down on his indulgences with every movie. im still a fan of his work but it is trying sometimes to not drill holes in your own head wondering by this superfluous moment is in super closeup super slo motion.
@@darthva31DC is meant to be colorful fantasy world full of serious and sometimes bit goofy stories, not die hard dark gory serious visual for every single character...
I am 17 minutes in and I want to point something out that further gets acrows how little Zack Synder gets these characters. Superman is a child whisked away by his parents to another land in a ship. He is raised in another land and goes to the city to save the people. He was written by two Jewish writers. HE. 👏 IS. 👏 A. 👏 MOSES. 👏 ALLEGORY. 👏 It is unbelievable how much Zack assumes he's Jesus when he is supposed to be Moses, who is one of the most important prophets in Judaism.
Oh, so that's why Superman: The Movie will always be the best film of the character: It understands that Superman is Moses and that his father Jor-El is God. Or something....
@@NebLleb While I’m not the most adept at theology, the biggest thing that differentiates Moses and Jesus is that Moses is still human with flaws and shortcomings while Jesus being part god himself is flawless and sinless. Remember, Superman views himself as Clark Kent first, Superman second. He views himself as a human (flaws and all) with kryptonian powers. Snyder’s Superman rarely touches upon Clark’s humanity.
there's a bit of that there but as someone who's part jewish who reads up a lot on her own people's mythology, he's sort of more of a modern interpretation of the golem. Not saying the moses allegory isn't there or that it's wrong, but he's got more than just Moses
When you realise the dude loves Ayn Rand his entire movie catalogue makes sense lol. Have hated his DCEU movies since the first Superman. Glad to see them gone.
I am just happy that we finally have stuff like "My Adventures with Superman ". The Snyderverse, Injustic and the Suicide Squad game damn near killed my love for the character, meanwhile the show reminded me why I liked the character in the first place.
Not ONLY Superman, but MAWS also shows how valuable Lois Lane and Jimmy are! Lois is loyal, headstrong, tough, but sympathetic and caring. Jimmy is enthusiastic, supportive, intelligent, and he is literally willing to throw in the bag to save a friend. If I was Clark and had friends like that, I’d work to be the best hero too.
Injustice is a good universe the only problem with it was it got too popular and created the trend of evil Superman where people think he can only be interesting when he is evil which is a complete character assassination. While I don't think Superman would actually be evil if the events of injustice happened to him it's not wrong to make him evil as the point of an Elseworld story is to give twists on our classic characters for good or bad.
The disaster that is the Snyderverse (and the greater DCEU) has been, really makes me appreciate how much of a lightning in a bottle the MCU Infinity Saga was. Even if it wasn't perfect, that was a unified and cohesive universe that was built around likable characters with comic book fun. I think it will be impossible for it to get replicated ever again
@@orhanamin1347it literally was a disaster, warner lost a fuck ton of money on the Snyder verse because they belived a bot campaign was actually real people. If Warner wasnt run by morons they would have just hired someone like gunn from the beginning instead of a talentless hack like snyder
@@exilestudios9546 No It’s Not, Snyder’s movies is massive success, Because for their Fanbase, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347 Wouldn't a Snyder Cultist be the ones in SUPPORT of Snyder? Imagine if we called Christians "Satan Cultists," it wouldn't make any sense.
Why do we need another Superman origin story? I’d love to see Superman in the 3rd year of his career. He’d be established, he’d be known, and it still leaves room for villains to take their shot at Superman.
Me too it was so bad. I can only surmise that snyderverse robots are just people that haven’t seen that many movies, reject marvel schlock and therefore latch onto this abortion in order to appear sophisticated despite how terrible these movies are.
As a life long comics fan I like the snyderverse. Is it a good 1:1 of the comics? No. Did he make controversial decisions? Yes. But I got what he was doing. Everyone was so mad superman killed zod. I wasn't. If we're trying to be as realistic as we can work these characters then if you're superman and when right off the bat your first adversary isn't lex or metallo but a being(s) as powerful as you with combat training that outcome to stop them is inevitable. I think man of steel is quite good. Bvs was hundred by cutting the plot and as a big Batman fan I am disappointed we got a Batman that lost his way. But it resonates with me because at the time I was going through it bad and seeing this rageful and borderline psycho Batman waa paralleling where I was obviously without the murder lol. Having superman kinda redeem him paralleled my journey back to Christ. So bvs is probably the weakest but it seemed to me Zack was deconstructing to rebuild these mythological characters because he wanted to see what mage them tick. I just found that interesting because he wasn't trying to copy marvel and even at that point I was growing stale with marvel noticing the drop in quality and cookie cutter nature of their films. If say this really started after around age of ultron and the first guardians. Humor And levity is fine and necessary but boy especially after guardians was an unexpected hit they really went for it. So fit me what Zack was doing was like a pallet cleanser and it is not what I would've done but I did want to see where it would go. Like c'mon good justice league it's fantastic other than the slow no porn. He waa wilding a little too much there. But I really enjoyed justice league and I know he had controversial ideas for the sequels like Lois and Batman having a baby and it is so wild and original I at least want commons to complete that cause I just wanna see what this crazy bastard was cooking
To be honest the fall of snyderverse is more of the fault of everyone, Zack Snyder was definitely not the right choice as architect for the DCEU But Warner Brothers are no saints either The way they treated Zack during the production of JL and Having their relationship fall part Is probably one of the most ugliest downfalls of partnerships between a studio and filmmaker Next to the production of aliens 3 with Fox and David Fincher?
Something that people fail to understand is Warner wanted a darker Superman regardless of Snyder's presence. After The Dark Knight, Warner hired story collaborator David Goyer to write a script for a darker Superman movie, and this was before they had a director. Whichever director was hired, we still would've gotten Man Of Steel. Goyer even took credit for one of the more infamous moments, Superman snapping Zod's neck.
@@billybarnett9518 Wow I didn't know that until now. But yeah it brings back my point is that it is more of the fault of everyone involved. I still think having Batman V Superman the second film of this series is one of the dumbest decisions they made. If I was Zack or at least a WB executive after Man of Steel I would just have Man of Steel 2, Wonder Woman (Same novel just different ending as the director wanted plus it would be release earlier.) A Ben Affeck spin off batman movie adapting the death in the family storyline (regardless who is robin whether it is jason todd or Dick Grayson the death of robin would explain why Batman is the way he is in Batman V Superman and why he kills people.), Aquaman, The Flash,(Different Flashstoryline not Flashpoint.) Then finally Batman V Superman? I wonder what do you think of my ideas?
@@WyattDucar Sounds like a good plan. For some reason, I can't post the article I wanna post despite several attempts, but this was their plan as of August 2008: "Like the recent Batman sequel -- which has become the highest-grossing film of the year thus far -- Mr. Robinov wants his next pack of superhero movies to be bathed in the same brooding tone as "The Dark Knight." Creatively, he sees exploring the evil side to characters as the key to unlocking some of Warner Bros.' DC properties. "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it," he says. That goes for the company's Superman franchise as well."
@@billybarnett9518 Interesting, considering how that turned out in the end or the ideas were good just executed poorly. I will admit while I don't hate the whole Batman killing people in Batman V Superman I just wish we have an in-universe explanation for why he essentially become the punisher and I think having Ben Affleck spin off film earlier as well as adapting the Death in the family Storyline would be good because at least we would understand the current state he is in Batman V Superman?
@@butterstotch3233 Nobody Cares, Because Snyderverse is not over, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
The Snyder Bro phenomenon is just absolutely fascinating. They don't think, they don't reason, they just have one instinct which is to defend the Snyderverse at all costs.
The fact you see the flaws in these movies even when you have hardly read any of the comics just goes to show that even as a movie person these movies suck Like seriously the snyderverse movies are the most boring movies I have ever watched in my life not to mention Comic book movies
Not to defend BvS too hard but it was Superman being so powerful that made bruce go mental until their fight. He was just normal Batman before and then he retired after Dick was killed only to come back when he saw a guy who could possibly do what the Joker was doing to Gotham on a global scale.
@Kpwasd the beginning of the trailer where he plummets into the snow and the part with the citizens protesting and throwing shit at him reminded me of those scenes from Man of Steel/BVS except not nearly as visually striking
People who think MCU is childish and goofy should look at how that scene was handled when Tony Stark finds out that Bucky is the killer of his parents and loses it. It's all rage in him from that point on. That is cinema. That was serious tone people think didn't exist in MCU
Too bad it's kinda ridiculous and forced just to create the 'epic fight scene'. Why would he be angry and actually try to kill a brainwashed person that had literally no control over his actions?He's supposed to be an actual hero. I hated it so much.
It is when you can manage to flop a movie like Batman vs Superman where audiences will go in theaters and watch it just for that two logos. Honestly the whole film is mediocre but when Marthe came out, that goes from mediocre to trash. It's a movie that will go down in history.
The funniest thing to me is that all the people yelling for the Snyderverse to be restored forget that Ben Afleck was pretty much done with Batman. Watch his interviews for Live by Night whenever someone asks about Batman, he's holding back from just walking out of the interview half the time.
I think the worst part of this trilogy of movies is they wasted Superman's death. No upcoming much slower paced buildup to such an event will ever have the same "sting" to a general audience because they did it here so sloppily, so now anyone looking at a new series of movies that builds up to a sacrifice are just going to recall these movies and say "Oh that's okay, he heals from death so he'll be fine", so every movie in between his death and resurrection (the "in between" being something that doesn't exist in the Snyderverse) will just have audience asking "hey when's Superman coming back?" instead of what they should be thinking, which is "I miss Superman right now". Heck, they even could have taken the Snyderverse and spun it into a multiversal idea, doing a direct followup by another director called "Justice Society" based on a more retro and kinder aesthetic and their contact with the Snyderverse. You know, conflicting viewpoints of alternate characters playing off each other. Instead, Marvel even beat them to THAT punch to such an extent everyone's sick of the very concept of the multiverse.
Superman’s death should have been like “Voldemort’s return” in the 4th Harry Potter, a BIG moment that changed the narrative to a darker path but the whole story is already dark and with all the Jesus metaphors we know he comes back
The biggest problem with the Snyderverse is that WB gave the keys to their DC Cinematic Universe to an artsy, pretentious edgelord director who did not care about the source material in the slightest. They were hoping they'd capture the same lightning in a bottle the Christopher Nolan Batman movies did as opposed to trying to make a superhero film universe akin to their competitor (the Marvel Cinematic Universe). Instead of something like The Avengers, you end up with an attempt to create an epic tale of gods among men with overly deep and pretentious themes, because WB had to gamble on one director who was NOT interested in superheroes in the slightest.
Honestly there's nothing wrong with exploring deeper themes in Superhero media, but like, you need to understand the characters themselves first. Your deep themes should emerge out of the existing themes in each of the characters. If Superman doesn't suit the themes of your film, then don't cast Superman, find another character that suits the theme.
Snyder fans want to like Superman, but don't understand Superman. The love the power fantasy of a big muscular handsome man (and yes, that's pretty tame compared to how I've seen a lot of these allegedly straight men talk about what they like about Cavill) wallop on a bad guy. They value his speed, his strength, his powers... and even his anger. They want a Dragonball Z live action movie, not even realizing that Goku would be just as ashamed in what they actually want. To them, Superman saving a cat from a tree isn't a sign of him valuing the goodness in the world no matter how small... it's a sign of weakness. It's 30 seconds wasted that he could've spent punching aliens or making eyes at Lois Lane., or making very weird Injustice-esque threats toward human beings. When Man of Steel came out, I was willing to give it a chance. Having Superman grow as someone, having him not start out totally perfect... that wasn't a terrible idea. Hopefully the sequel would build on the guilt he felt by leveling Metropolis, by being unable to save people, by killing Zod... and hopefully, it would form him into a more effective, but also more optimistic hero. But it didn't. And given the leaks for the later Justice League films he'd planned, that was never the plan. We'd just get more Evil Superman. Sure, he'd redeem himself by the end, but before then? Just overlong film after overlong film of bleak, depressing mad Superman for the very weird fanboys to lose what's left of their minds over.
I think Snyder's 300 was good and his style works for it. I absolutely hate how it looks in DC movies though. I don't get how WB doesn't just hand the reigns to their animated DC team cuz they write a good script the characters work and the story is good and makes sense just let them make a full length real film then.
300 was trash lol sorry. Just kinda looked kool in certain areas. His best movie is watchman and the hbo show absolutely does a better job. Snyder just kinda sucks lol. Head actors love to work with him though. He's fun and delivers a film under budget and on time so hollywoood loves the guy even though his writing suuuux lol.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Oh, wow. A media illiterate redditor. I think that comment about how this comment section is nothing but people fighting and dying on a mountain is becoming more and more accurate...
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 [groan] Of course the redditor is insulting people who just so happen to like Snyder's films and not the SnyderBros. I think that comment on how this comment section is nothing but people fighting on a mountain is shockingly accurate...
Imagine having a cinematic universe with two of the most popular superheroes in western canon And the most beloved character to come out of it is fucking Peacemaker.
@@NebLleb Nobody Cares about Gunn’s DCU Bullshit, We Want Snyderverse to Restore, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347 yeahhhh, i have a lot of proof of the contrary, but sure, continue to defend that hack that is Hack Snyder. Oh, and, how is Rebel Moon by the way (It's a rhetorical question, everyone knows it sucks, heck, it's a miracle Games Workshop didnt pursue him considering how much of Warhammer 40K he blatenly stole)
Hm... Fascism is about forcing people to think a certain way, Snyder fans (including Sucker Punch ones) want to force people to view their movies as great... It just makes too much sense. And this is coming from someone who loves 300!
I just feel like you people need to stop learning political buzzwords off reddit and go touch some fucking grass because jesus christ this is getting embarassing
Zack snyder being in charge of the dc universe is the worst thing that ever happened to cinema. Jamea gunn brought back the iconic bullet logo. Maybe 2021 the suicide squady peacemaker and creature commandos which are perfect. Absolutely perfect
The fact they allowed Zack Snyder, who clearly hates superheroes (to a degree) to direct a superman movie, amongst others. Will forever baffle me. And the fact it's spawned such a horrid rabid fanbase who now hate anything that's genuinely close to what Superman should be is incredibly frustrating. Superman is the GOAT, and these movies have poisoned his well so much.
I think the direction was worse. I can't tell how much is the actor trying to act like this sniveling nerd character and how much he was told to act that way.
To any readers of this comment section, here is some advice from someone who is not a film-maker but actively thinks like one and would like to be some day. Visual spectacle is great, but it should never be prioritized over story when making a movie. The story comes first, and if ever something occurs in it that happens to be spectacular, only depict it then. But those moments need to feel earned, so focus first on the characters, their actions, motivations, thoughts and feelings which lead up to them. Don't use spectacle every ten-seconds to keep your viewers engaged. Do that through other means. Personally, I would resort to that by tickling the intellectual parts of your viewer's minds, even while simultaneously giving them story elements that require some suspension of disbelief. For example, TV shows like "Doctor Who" do a good job at doing this. A lot of the "science" in that show is incredibly fake, but it feels believable for the overall universe that is being conveyed. With regard to overall visuals prior to moments of spectacle, you can at least make them intriguing through lighting and color-grading, but obviously, those two things needs to be done wisely. Lighting should enhance the subject and convey the mood. Color grading can also be used to convey a mood, but first and foremost, it should be used to enhance your footage. Stylization, if need be, can come later. But even then, it should not be overdone like in movies such as The Ring, Twilight, and 300. Camerawork is especially crucial. It's important to utilize the rule of thirds and not overuse central focus on your subjects. But you need to set up a shot in a way that allows your viewer to absorb information in a feasible way. All of this advice is based not only on my personal experiences with shooting and editing videos, but also from a Visual Storytelling class I took in college. I'm by no means a professional, so maybe don't take my word for it 100%. But some of the advice I give might be helpful.
People trash the theatrical cut so much, yet Whedon patched that inconsistency about Cyborg with a reshoot. "It's my armor's defense system! It's stronger since the interface! I can't control it!"
The main reason WB actually released the snydercut of JL is because during the beginning of the pandemic they needed content for HBO Max. I don’t think it ever sees the light of day if there was no COVID
This is SO GOOD!! It's sharp and to the point, highlighting Hack Snyder's incompetence. Just look at his DC movies and his recent mess, Rebel Moon Part 1 & 2. They’re filled with illogical plot points, unlikable main characters, confusing decisions, incoherent storylines, ridiculous villains, unnecessary slow motion, and excessive violence and sexual content. I'm glad he's relegated to only directing Netflix movies; it's the only place for such an egotistical, self-indulgent director. He’s like a 14-year-old edgelord.
@@joshevertonyt Netflix was just riding the hype of Snyder's Justice League cut when they signed multiple movie deals with him. Trust me, with his recent flops like Army of the Dead (another incoherent movie) and Rebel Moon, they wont be throwing money at him for long. His egotistical comments in interviews, like saying his movie would be bigger than Barbie if it were shown in theaters, won't help him either. Netflix didn't even promote Rebel Moon 2 as they did with the first movie, and they lifted the movie critics' embargo just a few minutes before the premiere, which shows that even Netflix knew how bad the movie was lol
I've been binging the Superman & Lois series on Max, and it's super jarring to be reminded that the Snyderverse ever existed. After being so immersed in one of the best live action depictions of Superman ever written, talking about the worst one is one hell of a trip.
What I find crazy is how the snyder fans convinced themselves the snyder version is a "cut" of the film or the "original version" like no, its not. Its a brad new film zach got to make all on his own, its not what would have been released in theaters if he stayed on.
The Snyder cult is officially a complete pile of trash now. Superman (2025) looks promising and hopeful with its trailer. Yet the Snyder cult can make up anything to wrongly criticize the movie. They just nitpick and create these stupid posts online. They compare the DCEU superman with James gunns superman and half the time it doesn’t even make any sense. They think that if an iteration of Superman isn’t like Zack Snyders superman then it isn’t superman at all and It’s disgusting. I was someone who wanted to see the DCEU win. I wanted a man of steel 2 and a proper DC series overall. I liked man of steel despite its flaws. But after that film, things went downhill. If Zack had his way then we would’ve been looking at one of the worst DC films ever. Superman was never going to feel like superman again, Batman had a kid with Lois, the heroes are killed, and the flash was going to reverse everything making the movies pointless and a waste of time. Or we would’ve been thrown into a terrible BACU (black Adam cinematic universe). Where black Adam would probably never lose a fight and would somehow never cross paths with Shazam. So We all dodged a huge bullet. These movies were not good.
as someone who loves the comics and the lore , the fact some people were defending it saying its comic accurte because scenes looked like comic panels was baffling , they banked on the fact that in the first few appereance of batman in 1939 where the character was a bland noir detective and i mean maybe 4 issues to justifying him killing and assisinating his entire growth and development of the character , i felt ashamed of being a DC fan
The Snyderverse just feels like some fanfic written by an edgy 12 year old. In fact, it’s not really it’s own shared universe as it’s just three Zack Snyder directed DC Movies that are part of an already failed universe.
@@Bugplanet8840 Nope, Gunn’s DCU is Already DOA, All Because for Snyder Fans and WB, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Can we discuss how, in the 1978 movie, Clark is reluctant to leave Smallville and arranged for a neighbour to "help out" on the farm (writers obviously didn't realise what a massive amount of sheer labour goes into running a farm). He was compelled to leave by the crystal, which doesn't make sense, but it was a touching scene, and there was something Clark "had to do" ie learn about his Kryptonian origins and learn to control his powers. In the Silver Age comics and the Smallvile TV show, Clark leaves his mother to attend Metropolis University, which she, like any parent, would very much support and encourage. In MoS, Clark leaves for no apparent reason, drifts round, causing his poor mother huge anxiety, then finally says to Perry White "hi, I've no college education, never trained in journalism and I worked as a waiter in a diner, can I have a job as a reporter on your prestigious and massive City newspaper?" Makes zero sense.
11:24 This is where I completely checked out of the Metropolis fight. Due to his superpowers, there are multiple ways that Superman can stop that tanker with minimal damage to the surrounding buildings (and the people inside them). Instead, he leaps over it, allowing it to crash full force into a building and EXPLODE. That was the breaking point for me. This isn't Superman.
I always saw it as Superman being unused to minimizing power; like somebody who's only just uncovering the damage they can cause. The problem is the execution if said movies; BvS should have been strictly Batman/Superman/Lex, not Doomsday. It should have been Clarke seeing the weight of hos power and solidifying her morals and focus to always control the collatoral damage of his fights, so that when MoS2 came out, it shows him constantly pushing fights into the skies or space and far from cities and towns.
Unfortunately, the extreme and irrational Synder fans will most likely go to criticize Gun's universe. We are already seeing it with the new Superman movie (which is not even out yet).
But you have to understand: these movies were made for the fans. And can be only be enjoyed by the true DC fans who read the comics and invest on these characters. . . . . I actually read a shit load of DC comics and know each and every story the Snyderverse were inspired from. And its all a piss poor take. 1) Now I am more forgiving on Man of Steel as there are a lot of different origin retellings of Superman including Johb Bryne’s Man of Steel, Mark Waid’s Superman Birthrifhr, Geoff Jones’ Supwrman Secrer Origins, and Max Landis’ Superman American Alien. But for conparisson lets go with Birthrighr which seems like the one Superman Origin that Snyder’s Man of Steel is directly inspired from. Like Birthright was also a more grounded and updated retelling of the character which dwells with the themes of Clark struggling to learn about who he is and his gradual development in becoming accepted as Earth’s champion who inspires others. The thing is Birthright actually pulled off said development and didn’t came across as contrived as you pointed out with the video. I even like how said story present the invading Kryptonian army as merely just a false flag operation by Lex Luthor to sew dissent in public trust towards Superman (which is a lot smartly done that Luthor’s plan in BVS which speaking of. . . . . ) 2) Batman v. Superman is clogged up mess of a story that doesn’t do any of the stories it included justice. It failed to do the first meeting of the heroes right compare to how JB Man of Steel pulled off their initial teeth clenched team up which focus the development of the two mutual respect. It failed to understand the meaning of their fight from The Dark Knight Returns which was supposed to be a clash between two long acquainted friends who are now on opposite sides of the law. And it failed to understand the impact of The Death of Superman story which is something that should of been saved for in a movie later down the film universe than at the early stages of the whole thing. 3) ZS Justice League really is just a bloated retelling of New 52 Justice League origin. Like the only difference being is that Steppenwolf is the starting villain instead of Darkseid and there is NO Green Lantern. And worst yet, said movie attempt to evoke the same tone and themes of Pantheon as Grant Morrisson JLA while completely missing the metacontex behind said themes. Doesn’t help that the whole Knightmare sequence was trying to emulate the whole bad future from the Rock of Ages storyline. Point is: you really would have a better time enjoying Justice League by just reading Grant Morrison’s JLA.
@BigK13372 thanks for this context! I am genuinely impressed how hard they fumbled very odd and specific attempts at sewing so many different things together
@@joshevertonyt Yeah it is depressing, as I legit wanted the film universe to succeed in bringing the characters and their story to the silver screen. But the combination of the questionable logic in the characters, the bleakness in its tone despite Justice League attempt at being more idealistic, and just the constant bastardization of the story does convince me that Snyderverse was just a sinking ship of a franchise. And the post-Snyder era is just all over the place with quality as they either are some of the best representation of the characters (Aquaman, Shazam, The Suicid Squad, Blue Beetle) or dumpster fires that I regret seeing (Wonder Woman 84, The Flash, Black Adam, Shazam Fury of the Gods)
As someone who has read DC and has a very bias opinion based on the comics I have read, these versions are a far cry from the iconic characters I have loved since I was a child.
As a former fan who tried watching the Main Arc of the DCEU, I cannot deny the story...hasn't aged well. I was a bit fatigued with Marvel's content especially some parts of it not aging well. Such as the horrors of CGI and VFX special effects, the humor being used at nauseoum especially Thor Love and Thunder, the many releases for phases, etcetera. But I still feel the MCU still lives up because between Iron Man to Endgame all stories managed to reach a conclusion rather than a rushed final arc. That is why I feel the reason why the Snyderverse failed was Warner Brothers, The issues with Snyder as a Director, and issues with how they gave the product. Warner is still a busy and messy company due to its poor working condtions and issues in the DC universe. Rather than doing their way of films, they tried to copy Marvel's universe and that failed too. They were too eager in producing yet again another dark superhero movie after Nolan left the Dark Knight trilogy, and because of that they hired Snyder. And sigh, I never got into Snyder's movies. There's something off with the dark lighting as well as the characters acting like a soap opera. I mean what he did with his Snyder Take of Justice League was incredible, I feel he's great at choreography by making it intense but the way the characters are like makes me bored watching it. Now don't get me wrong I did enjoy some parts of the Snyderverse. I enjoyed the Man of Steel's take of Zodd the most thanks to Zodd's actor, Michael Shannon. I feel Henry Cavill is an underrated Superman that unfortunately didn't capture his full potential but he was great at being heroic. I liked Cavill's Superman outfit and maybe if Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor was given development more, maybe it could've been great. But the Snyderverse to me is a what if. I'm sure Snyder loves filming and his choreography is incredible. He may be fun to others but personally I sadly don't get it. He's great with the coreography but his work to me feels so....incomplete? And while I did enjoy some pieces of his Snyderverse JLU, it doesn't feel as fulfilling as I hoped. Maybe I was burnt out by cinematic movie trilogies though this movie wasn't a hit for me as I hope. The only reason I enjoyed the Cut was Cyborg and Stepphenwolf and everything was wasted. Too bad the movie's runtime was long and it sucks we never got to see Darkseid in action. Poor Bruce is still the violent vigilante take of Snyder and Superman wasn't able to shine until the last acts. And Snyder always made the "ominous foreshadowing" that he'll always snap and turn evil. Sigh. That's why maybe we cannot simply revive a beaten horse. We all got our Snyderverse JLU movie and while I enjoy his take I just never got intetested in Snyder. I still feel if much fault is Warner but Snyder to me shouldn't work for a cinematic movie. I never got interested in his movies especially Rebel Moon because why do we have to watch a two parter of a gritty Star Wars take? I hope Snyder becomes a better creator because I'm just unimpressed besides his movie the 500. The only reason why I enjoyed the DCEU's movies isn't Snyder. But the many other directors who made other movies. Like Joker (2019) or The Batman (2022). Maybe The DCU should focus on superhero one offs on characters or take their own spin on the mythos while still respecting the source material. Overall, I don't despise the Snyderverse I'm just disappointed.
Your comment is incredibly and so so so true. It this had happened around the same time as Dark Knight I doubt it would have had such a bad reaction because it “would have been very much on theme due to the war on terror”
The Snyderverse is like watching 50 shades: disturbing people will try to convince you otherwise, but it’s a terrible idea that should never ever cross your mind.
I still don’t understand that Movement to bring back the Snyderverse when Zach has Little Respect and Understanding for DC as a Whole and being of that he screwed up DC, not to mention he’s the main reason people like Amber Heard and Ezra Miller are in those Movies as he confirmed he didn’t check their Backgrounds and just picked them out for what he thought was the right call, so yeah I’m happy this Universe is One Foot in the Grave.
I am a huge fan of the comics. These are absolutely godawful representations. If you want good and inspired Batman & Superman movies watch Superman 1978 or The Batman. Or the animated movies but I’m always trying to get people into comic characters like an evangelist 😅 don’t mind me
@ hey I’m humbled you asked but also happy to give you some suggestions: 1) Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow? (Superman #423 & Action Comics #583) 2) What’s So Funny About About Truth, Justice, And The American Way? (Action Comics #775) 3) All-Star Superman #1-12 All these should encapsulate Superman pretty well and those last two especially may be inspirations for the new movie next year. I hope you can find these easily and have a great holiday season, my good sir.
It’s crazy that the dceu continuity got so muddled that we have to refer to things like “the snyderverse” just to know what part of the continuity we’re talking about
Nah, if you want something TRULY muddled, it's the X-men.
Ironically having multiple timelines, confusing continuity, and retconning past events for new stories is about as X-Men as it gets @@LeadMetal82
@@LeadMetal82 yeah they did the Phoenix story twice
The main DCEU ("Synderverse")
The CW Universe ("Arrowverse")
The James Gunn DC Universe
The Superman and Lois Universe
Joker Universe
The Batman Universe
Gotham Universe
Titans Universe
Doom Patrol Universe
Krypton Universe
Warner Bros Animated DC Universe (not the DCAU)
The DCAU (Batman the Animated Series to Justice League Unlimited)
And I'm sure there's more I forgot.
@@MarvinPowell1Burtonverse, Schumacherverse, Donnerverse, Nolanverse, Dozierverse, Matsudaverse, and more
"This ain't your grandpa's Superman."
Shame, pappy had it good.
That same claim was made by writer Greg Pak, the lead writer of Batman/Superman: one of the few writers who understood both characters and could write good things out of the New 52. Pak had a very good reputation in the community and his success came from the fact he considered the New 52 an actual starting point; he was writing something from the ground up to the established status quo and managed to make the New 52 characters actually develop and get better as heroes. Pak was a guy who could make the Nu52 Superman and Batman complex characters that both adhered to the old status quo and stood on their own.
In contrast, Snyder and Goyer just thought "Different version = We can do whatever the hell we want". This is why we have an utterly depressed Superman who originally planned to join freaking Darkseid in destroying Earth, so Batgod could steal Lois Lane away and had to save the day. It's a complete rip on both characters and destroys everything they're supposed to represent.
The DCEU doesn't fail because it "ain't your grandpa's Superman', it's because it was stupidly dark, uninspiring, and soulless. The viewers also aren't idiots; they can see that the entire universe has been nothing more than Snyder and Goyer's multimillion-dollar pet project pushing their fan fiction into mainstream, and people aren't happy about that abuse of power and money.
Must have been the lead on the water
All this planned obsolescence and enshitification these days is getting out of hand
Y’all don’t realize that superman isn’t as good as u think
@@manat31790 HE DIDNT JOIN
HE WAS MIND CONTROLED
4 hours was definitely not the original cut. If Snyder finished the film as planned, he would've made a 2 and a half hour movie. it is clear that once the fans heard there was 4 hours of footage, Snyder jumped on the band wagon to put more slo mo
snyder in context has stated that he made it into 4 hours because he treated it as a streaming movie. plus the original plant for the snydercut release was to be somewhat of a mini series style
Your point? Everyone knew that. Snyder said so. He had several cuts. The cut that aired was to be shown in 4 chapters.
You know you added nothing to the conversation that wasn't known, directly from the Director's mouth.
I get it you don't like his vision. Fine. Others did. Let them be.
Good luck with Gunn.
Funny Suicide Squad doesn't get the same hate, and that movie, though I was entertained, when you watch it... it was a ridiculous film. Funny ... you guys never dissect that. Especially a full frontal that was absolutely not needed but only there to body shame the actor. But not a nitpick of that illogical film.
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 Snyder bot
@seyio1717 no.... an Adult. Children call ppl names young one.
Or perhaps you had nothing to directly address my response.
But no Snder"bot" or whatever that means.
Just a grown up that doesn't live in echo chambers. I get it, we are hard to find online, but you've met one. Nice to meet you.
@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 well the SS that Gunn did was an actual good movie unlike the first one. Maybe that's why
Reminder that the actor for Zod (Michael Shannon) was so confused at the idea of his character coming back in Flashpoint, he genuinely thought they were lying to him and he called Zack Snyder to confirm it was real. He also had Zack explain to him what multiverse means
Michael Shannon probably thinking “multiverse” is a metaphor for “working forever” since Zod existed in INFINITE EARTHS, thanks Zack
I honestly think some of these actors don't know what's going on when reading these convoluted superhero scripts. They're just doing it so they can buy a mansion. Reminds me of the Gwyneth Paltrow interview where she doesn't know which Marvel movies she's been in..
@@One.Zero.One101 either the money bags or they genuinely can't understand half the lines they're trying to act out no matter how hard they tried. Probably both
@@NexXxuwas that Snyder who wanted the multiverse thought it was cause they wanted to reboot the universe
He called Zack and asked if he should do it or not because Shanon hated how Snyder was treated by WB.
Playing Lex Luthor like a used car salesman is certainly a choice.
Also this is a nitpick but I think Luthor should just. Be bald. It doesn't have to be a trauma thing or some big event his personality simply leads him to the decision to remove every hair from his head before he appears on screen and it's not some weird character moment.
One all the choices it really is one of them
@@amiablereaper Lex Luthor just suffers from male pattern hair loss
@@stephenwonghongweng4298Yeah, there's no need to come up with a dramatic reason for Lex Luthor to be bald. We don't need a bald origin story. Some dudes are just bald, it's not that interesting.
@amiablereaper gene Hackman had wigs.
Kevin spacey had wigs.
Dude in Adventures had hair.
At least Lex eventually went bald.
look, all I want is for superman to feel like superman again, I'm tired of ultra-dictators.
Yeah... Injustice kinda f*cked the character up for like a decade.
My Adventures with Superman is actually pretty good. They got the character of Superman, which is the most important thing.
@@diegomedina9637 Wasn't Injustice's fault. It was idiot writers missing the point and premise of Injustice.
The whole idea behind Injustice was a "what if" scenario. What if you took Superman, and removed his defining quality as a hero (restraint/self-control)? What would a Superman gone rogue look like? It was never supposed to be a "dark" superman or a "gritty" adaptation - it was a thought experiment (and excuse to have heroes fight each other in a video game).
@@isabellagreen7436 I'm with you on that one. We've already had Brightburn, Injustice and Homelander lol the evil Superman thing is old already
@@freman007nah it’s too goofy and a white man’s version of anime, which is just cringe. I haven’t watched Season 2 tho so maybe it gets better, but it’s nothing special imo. Yes they got Clark right but his supporting cast is weak in comparison
Lois Lane tomboy design goes hard tho, I just think Jimmy and the writing in general for that show could be so much better (again haven’t seen S2)
To me ,Snyder films has always been the best example of darkness doesn’t equal good ,just because it’s dark doesn’t mean it’s better then a colourful light hearted done right film
Who Cares, Because Snyderverse is way better than Gunn’s DCU Bullshit. #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
His style is visually like an Xbox 360 military FPS from the early 2010's: everything is brown and gray.
Hack snyder and his fans are still at 12 yr old mentality
@@Chadcat180 No It’s Not, You Snyder Cultist Hack!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@Chadcat180 Oh Shut Up, Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
"Is there anything Zack won't slow down for dramatic effect?"
Well after Rebel Moon we can cross harvesting from the list. I wonder what he will give us next? Someone shitting in slo-mo? Would at least be the perfect representation of his last masterpieces ...
Who Cares, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
I can't remember the movie (The Big Hit maybe) where the director talked about how John Woo told him to chill on the slow-motion... and when John Woo tells you're overdoing slo-mo, you listen.
@@stevenclubb7718 The funny thing about Snyder is that he still says in interviews he isn't doing that much slo-mo. And i think he might really believe this is true. Just like he thinks using a broken camera lens is a good idea.
You mean artistically imperfect artifacs on lense camera? @@lordmontymord8701
I really don't know why people gravitated to the cult of Snyder. Out of all the directors in history at least pick someone that was good.
Where Batman is Lex Luthor, Lex Luthor is the Joker, Jonathan Kent is suicidal, and Superman is an impossibly bland mass-murderer.
And Wonder Woman is a 110 pound model who cant act and has a bad accent, despite living in America for over 100 years.
Oh, and Aquaman is a dude-bro. (Which would've been acceptable if they didn't name him Arthur Curry.)
And they de-powered Wonder Woman
Jonathan Kent's philosophy is inspired by Ayn Rand, who Snyder was a fanboy of at the time. I wouldn't recommend it, it's as badly written as you'd expect.
@@MarvinPowell1it would have been worse than that with WW. Snyder originally had that wartime picture Bruce finds of her in BvS be her in The Crimean War holding a load of decapitated heads
Jon Kent could not tech that shit
We need to stop giving Superman to directors who hate Superman.
Superman isn’t dark. The story can be dark and gritty, but Superman’s character CANNOT, under any circumstances, be dark and gritty. Superman is joyous, cheerful, and compassionate. Even in that “all or nothing” scene with General Zod Superman would’ve found a way to neutralize Zod without killing him. Because that’s who Superman is. This is the reason why Tyler Hoechlin is my favorite version of Superman, because despite all the difficulties and darkness, Superman remains cheerful and compassionate.
Sad thing is, Henry Cavill would make the PERFECT proper Superman. Just look at him in interviews. He’s more Superman in real life than he is in Snyder’s films.
EDIT: those who're here with the "oh clean and pure Superman is unrealistic and cannot be written in live action!!" go watch the CW show. Get off the Henry Cavill high and give Superman and Lois a shot. It has dark and gritty stories throughout the seasons, but Superman himself is never dark or broody. Leave the brooding to Batman.
What you don't understand Man of Steel was not portraying a Superman. It was meant as a trilogy where Clark Kent/Kal El becomes a Superman in second or third movie. There is a reason why this film is not called Superman. But between Man of Steel and Man of Steel 2 (which never happened) Warner Bros realized that they need a shared universe, now! So Snyder got a task to created a shared universe with based on a movie that was planed as stand alone trilogy about some Alien becoming Superman. So not in Man of Steel, not in BvS and maybe not in ZSJL (with possible exception for the last scene) we see Superman. We just see an alien in Superman costume, who is on his journey to become Superman (or at least was before Warned Bros decided to trow at him shared universe).
@@Hadar1991 That's nonsense. Superman is supposed to be the way he is because he was raised by loving parents who instilled him with those values. In the Snyderverse he was raised by miserable, self-loathing d-bags who were embarassed at their son having so much power and tried to browbeat him into accepting "normalcy" with psychological torment so they wouldn't have to feel so inadequate. You know, because "dark" and "gritty". This is how you create a Homelander not a Superman.
@@shiroamakusa8075 To be absolutely honest I never understood why so many people has problem with how MoS was raised, but maybe because I am not American. But from my perspective Clark was raised by loving and responsible parents, but also reasonable ones, because let's be realistic - if Clark ever publicly manifested his abilities as a child, he would be forcefully taken by the government and studied as a rat in some underground bunker.
@@Hadar1991 Sorry, but loving parents do not decide to torment their children by deliberately saddling them with guilt for their suicide. This is actually a prime marker for narcissism.
@@shiroamakusa8075loving parents also don’t guilt trip their kid by saying “maybe you should have let those kids die” like an actual loving parent would have told that mother to shut the hell up and be grateful that Clark saved her kid
A DC universe that was based on the dissrespect to Superman was doomed since the beginning, and Im glad its over.
Or not, Because Gunn’s DCU is Already Disaster, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347😂
Oh you mean the new Gunn movie
@@benpage11 Yep, It’s Gonna Be Disaster Because for Snyder Fans, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Doomsday Clock had a lot of neat ideas in it, wish it came out on a better schedule, but one of the messages I take from it is your point exactly. Superman being as grim as Batman, lacking that Hope and Compassion at a deep enough level, leaves the DC Universe a hollow place.
Also here's the thing, for people defending it for Realism
1. Dark and Gritty is not the same thing as Realistic.
2. Realism isn't the superior choice in every situation, there are some stories that are best told in an unrealistic fashion.
Realism is an art style like any other. It still has to follow the conventions of other art styles to be good. Defending Snyder's flaws as a fault of realism is like defending a crappy garage band because "jazz is supposed to suck." Anyone who has any experience with music or jazz would find that comment short-sighted and revolting, so why do we tolerate it for realism?
Also we are talking about superheroes. The last thing I want is "realism" Just have things make sense character-wise and most fans will accept a lot of unrealistic stuff
@@BetaDude40 This! 1000x this! Especially with videogames.
I can't tell you how often I see people brush off awful design decisions that make a game significantly worse with the chestnut of "but it's realistic". Oh? I'm sorry! I guess we should have to fill up gas and do paperwork, and all of those things in games too. Should have to go to the DMV cuz your license expired and pay taxes...
Or, to get back to movies, it should be in realtime, and we watch the characters go to the bathroom even when it has no artistic merit. The movie takes place over a week? Week long runtime of meandering barely relevant events with a few days where anything relevant happens, because that's how real life is... Afterall, it's realistic and therefore fine...
Not like realism has to be extremely selective selective in order to make anything good out of it or anything... *rolls eyes*
@ I agree with you, but I was actually sort of implying the opposite.
Realism is a popular and relatable artstyle that focuses primarily on using patterns from real life. And like any artstyle, the point is to convey emotions and illicit a response in the audience. Realism as an artform excels at very quickly immersing the audience, because we can very much see ourselves in the stories and media. I love realism also because it imposes a strict set of criteria on a story, and while people will always disagree where that lies, I do believe having those kinds of restrictions can breed creative workarounds or responses.
But of course, yes, I agree, most people don't know what Realism is, they want what is "realistic," which is just pedantic and subjective criticisms of how fiction should adhere to reality, without actually saying anything productive. Hopefully people will grow more literate to that kind of stuff instead of floundering about in minutiae about whether or not "x character should have a gun cuz it's what I'd do" or whatever other brainlet take people have.
Someone needs to ask Zack Snyder how it feels to have his multi-million dollar destruction porn series be outclassed by a cartoon series that came out over a decade ago.
Out classed ? TF, are you talking about? He left 7 years ago. Dude, how old are you?
If you guys hate it so much, why you can't keep Snyder's name out your mouth and talk more about what you like? The man lost his daughter and you guys seemed to have lost your minds along with your sense of decency (if you ever had any) by saying the same thing over and over again.
FYI if Superman had existed, his fights would looked like that which was the point, and why in BVS the topic of Superman existence and help, just like in the real world he would've been an issue.
If Superman interfered, he'd be an enemy of the US. The same guy you cried "didn't smile, or save anyone- which he did, in the real world would not save everyone, and his fights would level the city as it did in comics.
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 for the love of god stop abusing your enter button
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 no one ever said they hated Zack Snyder people have a right to voice how they feel about those movies and let's be real his DC movies were absolute trash no matter how much people want to keep trying to defend these movies and make excuses for them they were not great at all they were the complete opposite of what people wanted to see from these characters Zack Snyder is a prime example of when did raptors don't have a clear understanding of these characters and the source material that they came from I mean what's not forget that Zack Snyder wanted to try to kill off Lois Lane in Batman versus Superman which would have been stupid and completely would have made no sense at all because Lois Lane is a very important character in The lore of Superman if not just as important as Superman is yeah so doesn't even have a clear understanding of Batman either but this isn't to say that he's the only director that's guilty of this Brian singer is another one that's guilty of this as well their stories they've come out over the years about him not allowing the cast to read any of the X-Men comics when they were making the first X-Men film this is a huge problem with people like Zack Snyder and others who don't have a clear understanding of these characters it's not that hard to make things accurate to the source material that's all fans want and then they wonder why these movies get the criticism that they get because they refuse to give fans what they want to see when it comes to these characters if fans with their own independence studios can put together fan films that are accurate to the source material then why the hell can't these directors and writers do the exact same thing?
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 Tyler Hoechlin's Superman is what Superman would be like if he was real. Snyder's Superman is flat out awful he has zero personality. Watching paint fry is more interesting than Snyder's Superman. Zack Snyder is a terrible storyteller and I'm glad he's done with DC. His films were terrible. Superman isn't a realistic character but he has realistic ideals. His pure and uncorrupted optimism is what humanity should stride towards. That's the whole point of Superman. He's hopeful and optimistic in a dark world. He brings hope to those that desperately need it. He's not an emotionless robot like Snyder's version. Snyder's Superman is a disgrace to the character. It's more disrespectful than Frank Miller's version. Superman vs the Elite is a brilliant film. It's basically Superman vs Zack Snyder. I highly recommend it.
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731you lost your sense of decency the moment you brought up Snyder’s daughter as an excuse to not criticize his storytelling. It’s sad that his daughter died, no one deserves to go through that. And the fact that the Snyderverse movement managed to raise so much money for Suicide Prevention is a genuinely great accomplishment that deserves to be remembered and celebrated. But that has absolutely nothing to do with his awful storytelling.
Zack Snyder read Watchmen without understanding the point of Watchmen and decided that's how all Superheroes should be. . .
Better than the hbo show
@@xxxtrainstation1049 True, true.
Besides. The original Watchmen comic was intended by Alan Moore (before he went banana-balls) as a "pick your side" scenario, and I'm not surprised that he and the film's writers chose to side with Rorschach when they adapted it (though I think siding with Dr. Manhattan is the best choice, personally).
@@NebLleb
@robkrol2137
That's because Znyder has a super boner for superhumans and edgy stuff. He loves them and doesn't give a rat's ass about "normie" humans. "Who watches the watchers" totally flew over his head.
@@NebLleb in what way did Moore go bananna balls? what is he saying that is so wrong? Frank Miller is literally a fascist, and the real problem with snyders interpretation of these characters, and you call Moore banana balls???
@@xxxtrainstation1049 The HBO show actually does a great job at adapting the source material while building off of it in a natural way. It's the last episode or 2 that kinda lost me though
I have always said, Snyder accidentally created INJUSTICE Superman. The only acceptable ending to DCEU would have been the real Superman coming from the real earth and defeating this evil snyder superman
What people don't understand is that there is no Superman in DCEU. Snyder meant to create trilogy of Man of Steel films, where an alien in a suit with superpowers realizes what does it mean to be a Superman. So Henry Cavill is playing NotSupermanYet. And between MoS and MoS2 the studio realized they want to have shared universe like Marvel and told Snyder to created one based on the first Man of Steel. So he was stuck with a hero who does not yet understand what to mean to be Superman, so he decided it to contracts it with a Batman who is not Batman anymore. But this went over most people head, that BvS is NotSupermanYet vs NotBatmanAnymore and he wanted to both to realize what it means to Superman (for the first time) and Batman (again).
@@Hadar1991I don't like the idea of "Superman is too alien to be Superman yet" because he's literally raised as a human by human parents amongst human peers and with human values. He even looks like a perfect human! Aside from the powers, how alien is he really? And why, when he has been raised this way for his entire life, should he ever have "alien" behaviours? He could feel like an outsider, sure, but more in the sense of someone with an immigrant background. The way he behaves in the MoS film is just so bizarrely disconnected from his actual human past, as if he hasn't been living on the Planet Earth from age
@@conspiracypanda1200 But being Superman is not just being human. Being Superman requires many psychological attributes beyond just being human.
Except Injustice understands that a Superman that kills people is bad, Zack does not.
Snyder should've just created Injustice Superman instead. His Superman would've worked much better there since that is clearly the kind of Superman he was going for anyway. The Superman we got felt out of place because he was meant for a darker world.
It's a darn shame Henry Cavil, a man _born_ to play Superman, has been wasted on these movies
And he seems to be consistently wasted on other things too.
Hot take: Cavill isn't that good of an actor. He's just bamboozled us all with his good looks 😂
If u are 6 feet tall,have a muscular body and have a Greek god like face , anybody can be Superman..not just henry Cavill
@@suikim9194 most of his movies where he is the lead role has flopped..
@@suikim9194I think the thing that draws people into cavill isn’t his acting skill, it’s his love of the characters he plays. He’s a super nerd, and is typically the most vocal person on set for staying true to source material no matter what role he’s in. This is seen especially with the Witcher show
Flash and luthor were cast by the worst idiots I could have possibly imagined.
YES
Luthor was cast as Luthor from Superman Birthright and this is probably the most comic accurate portrayal in all of DCEU. But we are talking about Luthor from Superman Birthright, not from other comics.
@@Hadar1991 The actor was doing an impression of Max Landis.
@@dorianleakeyAnd Max Landis had a better interpretation of the Flash than the Ezra-Flash. "Brunch"
@@Hadar1991"comic accurate🤓" said by the no.1 snyder meatrider😂 that is the worst casting ever. Bro just stop snyder ain't gonna let you lick his balls.
My biggest problem with Man of Steel is that i dont think theres a single scene where young Clark is smiling or happy.
If you want to deconstruct the Superman character, fine, but this is supposed to be the definitive 21st century blockbuster take on the character, and he's constantly getting bullied, told that people will fear him, and that he should hold back on saving lives. I'm sorry, this sounds like an origin for Brightburn or Homelander, not *THE DC superhero.*
There is one scene. When he's flying for the first time - Clark's got that big grin on his face. Other than that, though? You're right.
To be honest as Eastern European I did not notice anything wrong with how Clark was being raise up. I would even say that he had very thoughtful and caring father. And while we don't smile very often we definitely are not Brightburns and Homelanders. :D
@@Hadar1991 That's really interesting! I appreciate the alternative perspective. :)
@@Hadar1991 Yes but you are not farmers from the American Midwest. Superman's parents in every other iteration are friendly, kind, down to earth people who do their best to make their son happy. For Americans, it is odd not to smile frequently.
@@Hadar1991As an Eastern European I disagree. Maybe you got abused by your family so you think this is normal, but I don't.
Superman: Man of Steel
Aquaman: Man of Eel
Batman: Man of Kill
The Flash: Man of Plea Deal
Wonder Woman: Woman of Appeal?
@anubhavdassarma7230 Wonder Woman: A harlot who makes a mockery of the Palestinians and their plights.
@anubhavdassarma7230 *woman of NO appeal
@anubhavdassarma7230Wonder Woman: Woman of no acting skill
This is how I would’ve written some of Man of Steel’s scenes. Instead of Clark’s dad shaming him for revealing his powers to save those kids it should’ve been Clark shaming himself and it’s his dad who says “what were you supposed to do? Just let them die?”.
In his battle with Zod we should’ve seen Clark try to save people while also fighting him off. Then, Zod does the laser beam thing, but this time he’s torching the whole city and Clark tries everything in his power to move him or block his vision, but nothing works. So, his only option is to snap his neck and after that we see how torn up about it he is.
Yeah, it would have worked if we saw him trying to get Zod out of the city, but Zod wanted to cause as much destruction as possible to punish Superman.
@@B1gBoyPantsExactly! I’m glad you agree.
Both of the ideas that you have are so much better than what he got in the real movie.
I especially like the first one, because not only does it make Clark's father actually sound caring and even encouraging, but it sets up Clark's hero arc and gives him an actual reason to want to keep saving others.
His one true motivation as Superman is a question that he asks himself based on that one alternative line you suggested for his father. "Are you going to just let them d!e?"
@@eliesh3833 EXACTLY!😃 Thank you. That’s what I’m talking about. I get that they were trying to establish that this world might not be ready for superman and his dad was trying to say that he doesn’t have all the answers, but the way it was handled just made him look like an uncaring, control freak.
It's crazy how just changing 2 things would have made the movie so much better. It still wouldn't have been great (imo), but this would have fixed Clark's character arc for sure.
I honestly feel when it comes to the Snyder cultists... they're not fans. To me, their insistence that WB continues this universe or that Snyder should keep working on it is to basically want the man to suffer. Snyder has made it clear how much of a tiring, stressful experience it was working on the DC movies and for WB just in general, the same company who prior to Matt Reeves being hired for The Batman apparently in one attempt to nab him for the director role had a meeting with executives end in a shouting match. The same company who told Joss Whedon he had only a few months to reshoot JL and would not give him more time since they wanted that holiday release and that would interfere with monetary bonuses. Honestly, who in the FUCK would ever want to work under those conditions? If they were fans of Snyder as in actual fans of the man? I'd think they'd want to support Snyder in his other projects, encourage him to do what will make him happy and be fulfilling. I didn't like Rebel Moon but honestly I could tell from watching it he was in a MUCH better place seemingly working on it and Army of the Dead. With ZSJL? I really got the feeling he was happy to get his vision out there and payday and was glad to know as soon as this was over, he'd never have to work for that company ever again.
And for those who are fans or insist this universe is dark and mature? Without knocking those who do genuinely love the movies, this kind of thinking reeks of insecurity. It's like the reaction to that Adi Shankar "Power/Rangers" thing which was made as a parody of dark reboots by a non-fan and yet it was viewed by people who weren't PR fans as being what the franchise should do or people reverting to how they are in high school because someone called what they liked just childish nonsense and so they want to stick it to those guys with these movies so they can point to them and go "You see?! They are dark and mature. I was right!".
The ironic part is that by trying so hard to be "mature" the Snyderverse comes across as the exact opposite. It's the kind of shit that an angry teenager would write about and claim is the most hardcore thing to ever happen actually bro!! It exudes CoD lobby energy and smells of Mtn Dew.
I honestly think it’s more them caring about the art more than the artist. They love Zack’s work but they give no craps about him as a person or just outright ignore him if he does something that doesn’t fit their narrative. They constantly crap on James Gunn despite Zack having nothing but good things to say about him and being generally supportive of Gunn’s vision for DC, heck they constantly defame Gunn by bringing up the old risqué tweets he made, whilst ignoring the fact that Gunn helped Zack set up Snyder-con, Zack showed that Gunn provided him
with an IMAX copy of The Suicide Squad to test the sound and picture with and thanked Gunn on his social media for it calling it a great movie.
Yes Snyder’s fans ignore this and constantly act like they are enemies and that TSS was bad despite the fact that Snyder and Gunn get along and Snyder likes the movie they love to crap in
What you're talking about are people who are emotionally stunted, similar to the basement gamer type, they like to only make everything about them and their weird identity with this movie and they can't move on from that. It's just sad.
@@mrcritical6751no these are the MRA cultists. These kinds of people are essentially toxic masculinity at is most stupid
I literally know someone who is a Snyder fan and he acts so insecure when talking about Snyder but respectful on every other project. He is my ultimate frenemy and I hate Snyder’s movies but I mean nothing against him as a person, I’m sure he’s a great person, wb can go to hell though. People just need to stop! The snyderverse is dead! It’s never coming back! And Snyder is happier that it’s dead and he’s doing his own work. I don’t like those movies but I’m happy he’s doing stuff he wants to do.
I will never forget that Snyder likes Watchmen not for the deep philosophical themes and messages, but because it had superheroes that swear and have sex. No really, that's what he said.
Even beyond that though, I think the man's a hack. Basically all the bad things people said/say about Michel Bay I think about Zach Snyder.
And Michael Bay is 100% self aware. HE KNOWS his movies are goofy CGI shit! He knows what he likes isn’t for everyone and doesn’t condescend because of it. Zack lacks any form of self awareness or humility and assumes those who dislike his poor writing or his ill formed renditions of popular media are too naive to understand it.
like all the 90s comic writers basically, they all failed to understand what made watchmen great or work, it wasn't that it was dark or grim
@@alphabetsoup6837 Can confirm: Bad Boys solos the shit out of Sucker Punch and the Snyderverse.
One thing that always annoyed me about this version of Superman is that Pa Kents death was preventable, and he only died to keep Clark's powers a secret. Its always much better when Pa Kent dies of some incurable disease because it shows Clark that his powers can't solve everything and that his power as a symbol of hope and empathy is just as important as his strength and indestructibility.
With the speed he can move, he could have easily grabbed him the split second before he got sucked up, and just 'found' him miraculously alive under some rubble after the tornado passed. His decision only makes sense if Clark _couldn't_ move fast enough to both grab him and make it look like he hadn't, which he absolutely could have! Sure, its unlikely to survive getting sucked into a tornado, but who tf there was going to be like "I'm suspicious you survived because your son is actually a super powered alien that saved you at the last second with super speed"? They're just going to think its one of those amazing survival stories.
Listening to people dissect these films for flaws has become a genuine hobby for me and I probably need a better one.
@@KassFireborn you do
You should
Same sadly. Gunn’s Superman trailer has me running the rounds again.
The Jesus metaphor is even worse when you know Superman was explicitly made as a Moses metaphor
Not just that but it goes against Superman as a character, he's just a man doing what he can, not a perfect being.
@aidenpopour594 wait till you hear that the christ allegory started with Donners 1978 Superman. And has been a reccuring theme in comics since then.
Yes, this is a problem only if you claim that original characterisation trumps the dominating history of the character. If so, you then need to accept a version of Superman that is vindictive and can be a douchebag.
For reference too, Superman was also co-opted as an propaganda symbol for America.
Superman has a messy history and at least Snyder doesn't pretend it never existed. At least he's the only director to actually challenge the god allegories in BvS but you guys will selectively ignore it for your arguments
Wasn't he designed by a couple of jews?
Actually I think the over the top Jesus imagery makes perfect sense if no intended audience is the same people who watch pureflix movies.
@e.adelyo I really love how everyone in this thread decided to ignore you and not take you seriously for being exactly why we’re glad the Snyder verse ain’t ever coming back lol
Good. The DCEU ruined the public perception of my favorite character. They keep trying so hard to turn Superman into a grimdark Batman like. He is NOT Batman
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Nor is he a power hungry dictator.
What goes over most people head is that there is no Superman in DCEU. Snyder is criticized for over-exposition and don't trusting that viewers will understand the message, but still, the main motif of the franchise, goes over so many heads. That alien in Superman suit, is not Superman yet, he is on his journey to understand what means to be Superman (which was meant to realize in Man of Steel 3, before WB told Snyder to create a multiverse after he shot the first Man of Steel). On the other hand, that man in Batman suit is not Batman anymore. He once was Batman, but after 2 decades of fighting monsters he became a monster himself and is lacking his humanity, he lack all the attributes that made him Batman in the past. Not he is just vengeful monster-fighting monster, who once was Batman.
I just don't trust live action heroes anymore. Almost every animated film or cartoon does it better. The MCU had the magic formula for a while, but quickly stopped taking themselves seriously and started cutting corners for profit, rushing their employees to make everything feel the same with shallow "meta" humour instead of developing and highlighting the different feel of each hero and their unique teams. I just want my heroes to be heroic and stand, unironically and honestly, in the face of dire circumstances and actually inspire us by the end. Superman is supposed to be no.1 at that. Inspiring hope in others is basically his whole thing!
Injustice and Snyder trash movies ruined the perception of my hero Superman!
Hate those 2 projects
Snyder's Batman is a perfect example of someone ignoring Batman, and just writing the Punisher in a funny hat
Flash was proof how sht that universe is 😪
People like the "not kill" rule for the same reason we respect people who play on hard mode more over people who play on easy.
And even with millions of dollars at his disposal he couldn't make a 'Punisher' even a tiny fraction as good or interesting as Jon Bernthal in the Netflix series.
@@Shockguey it’s not that it’s in the comics both superman and Batman put bad guys either in a phantom zone or Gotham asylum bats and superman they have been saying we don’t kill in comics
He fundamentally fucked up batman and Superman, the two most popular dc hero’s. He helped fuck up flash who is the 3rd. You could argue wonder woman and aquaman aren’t fucked up but that has less to do with Snyder and more to do with the other people working on those films
Superman/Batman: Public Enemies >>>> Batman Vs Superman
Never vibed with the Snyderverse
It’s all spectacle and I never liked the concept of pitting Supes and Batman each other, them being a duo is so much more entertaining.
A combination of Public Enemies and the World's Finest 3 part episode from Superman TAS is what they should've done instead.
A man of culture
@@callmejacob3234 🍻here, here
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpWhat's Superman TAS?
@@ChucNguyen-yb4bqSuperman the Animated Series. It’s part of the DC Animated Series, the continuity consisting of Batman TAS, Batman Beyond, Justice League TAS, Static Shock, and Justice League Unlimited.
The fact that Snyder thinks having Batman shoot people in a situation where he's forced to shoot people makes me question what degree of faith there was in these films. Like, he's literally the guy that put the Detective in DC's name, known for wits that rival the likes of Sherlock Holmes...and you think he should risk being seen as no better than any common crook he's faced let alone the man who shot his parents? Good on you for letting your vision be realized and sorry about your loss, but you're kind of a dummy.
Degree of Faith? It was in the Dark Knight comic. The source cited for the film.
@Walke-ts Batman "shooting with reckless abandoned henchmen?" Gross oversimplification.... or we literally didn't watch the same film.
What I saw was henchmen shooting recklessly at Batman in the streets, and Batman fires back and puts them down."
Also further context, from source material and lore, thus was a Batman with about 20-25 years of experience fighting Gotham criminals.This was the same Batman that lost his adopted son to the Joker. Not only this being in the actual comics but it's literally said in the film, and depicted more than once, as why Batman was so brutal. I mean... it's in the context of the film. Judge the film for what it presented not watch you wish to have projected, which sounds like it damn near ever "Snyder hater and h@te group" seems to do.
Btw... he hasn't shot a film for DC in over 7 years.... relax. You've got "full frontal Gunn." Good luck with that.
@@theflickspicksnthenitpicks3731 Snyder literally said he did it because he was told not to for one. And for two Batman doesn't kill it's dumb when he does the dark knight rises had the message Batman doesn't need guns.
Dude, are you aware that Batman kills in every film adaptation and TV series?
And Superman killed Zod in "Superman 2".
@@ii-mp1sp You do know Batman only kills in a few right? And technically Superman didn't they planned on bringing Zod back before the superman at the time broke his back.
Thank you for saying what everyone is thinking, it baffles me how people enjoyed that. As a batman enjoyer, his portrayal is just so "I'm 14 and edgy vibe"
Yes! Finally! Oh how I hate the nonsense ZS puts out.
Agree! There’s no difference between the characters of Superman (clean-cut boy scout) and Batman (no-kill, brooding badass with a heart of gold). Snyder managed to make them both indistinguishably grey, bland and unnecessarily violent. The MCU’s Iron Man/Cap dynamic embraced character individualities and milked the friction caused by their differences. The fight between them in Civil War felt earned, it had weight to it. The fight in BvS felt empty because the characters were empty.
Just like the nonsense batman of Reeves.
@@AwkwardAuction well said
In BvS Superman says "you don't understand, there is no time". Seven words. "Bruce help, Lex kidnapped my mom" is six words.
do you think bruce will understand? bruce thinks he is an alien with no connection to human at all. bruce doesn't know he is clark kent. superman knows because he can see through the mask. he realise he has mother when he said martha and lois explains it.
@@vladislaav supes could’ve just said “luthor has my mother” because “martha” could mean anyone, he just lucked out that the guy trying to murder him also had a mum named martha
I am a Comic Book Nut, I can accept the fact that there are other versions of beloved superheoes. I don't hate Snyder as a person, he seems like a decent guy, but I despise his DC Movies and movies in general, they are FUGLY to look at, his stories do not make an ounce of sense, and more importantly the movies are insulting to specific fanbases.
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Yes, this. I personally don't hate Snyder and I'm sorry for his lose and hope God is there for him, but man his stand alone work is so messy that you barely know what's going on. A modern example of this is Rebel Moon, it had interesting ideas even if takes them from other genres (basically like Warhammer40k) but the execution left more to be desired.
So you blame him on your |lmited ability to understand?
Is that also how you criticize Christopher Nolan for not understanding one of his films?
For the three films he directed at DC he almost explained things with apples.
What you do not understand?
@@luiseduardomurillomartinez Is not just what is explained but also how it's explain, the trilogy didn't do it well.
@@luiseduardomurillomartinez I don't blame the guy for having a vision it's how he chooses to execute that vision. You can like Snyder's movies all you want, I have no problem for you to like them, but for me I don't see it.
Anyone with a hint of media literacy cheered when The Snyderverse died. Zach Snyder has proven time and time again that he’s the Steven Seagal of directing/writing/filmmaking. The fact that he’s even allowed near a movie production set shows how rotten to the core Hollywood is.
The fact that you can notice these critical issues with the Snyder's films without even knowing the comics or without any personal attachment to some of this characters is emblmeatic of how bad the Snyderverse is.
And how wrong his defenders are.
Stop being stvpid and ¡gnorant. Only sheeple will pay for Gunn's PedoVerse. You need to educate yourself.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
#FireJamesGunn
#BoycottWBD
@@GODCONVOYPRIME Stop being stvpid and ¡gnorant. Only sheeple will pay for Gunn's PedoVerse. You need to educate yourself.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
#FireJamesGunn
#BoycottWBD
@@GODCONVOYPRIMEjust point out his highest rated film is written by Gunn they get so mad 🤣
How wrong some of This critics are....and how baddly a lot tried to debunk something great....in all movies if you tried to bring them all things to the Logic sense of out reality we always find some flows and errors and nonsenses....
The facto is This new modern aproach for Superman is awesome and is in reality a great CBM,despite that you agreed with some of the decisions in the film or not.....look, to the intire mcu that is considerer too many fans of this genre as the greatest superheros movies and look how bad are most part of his films and how many issues got the infinite saga if you tried to make a good Logic of they're actions and nonsenses and full of plot holes when you tried to atached all the logic debated in these kind of movies....i consider MoS a much better movie then most part of the mcu and how cruel was the criticism toward the snyderverse
Retconning that general from Man of Steel into Martian Manhunter was an egregious sin. Narratively it made NO sense, just reveals himself at the end saying “I guess I’ll help, next time”
Agreed; him not helping to save the planet comes off as cowardly.
it's because he originally wanted to have Green Lantern in the movie but WB did not agree. (for the ending with Ben Affleck, you know)
@@MsTrianglenope he is talking about the general who was made into Martian Manhunter who just sitting idly by as the world came to an end.
If Snyder failed Superman and Batman, imagine how bad he would handle Green Lantern
The idea that DC is dark and gritty comes from fans who read nothing other than Batman.
DC is bright and full of hope. Sure, it has some adult and darker material, but it's not pervasive into the greater universe. Metropolis is optimistic, Superman is a boy scout. To pretend otherwise is just silly. The Snyder stuff is like fan fiction written by an angsty 13 year old.
Exactly i saw so many people claim that DC is supposed to be dark which is just absurd
I think the people just want an alternative to marvel
Exactly like they obviously don’t read the comics….lmaoo they want dc to be dark and gritty so bad when it’s honestly not
People read the dark alternate universe hypothesis comics that started coming out in the 90s and began associating that as the main canon. They were never meant to carry the main story or be the definitive versions of these characters, just alt-history for the fun of it.
Even many Batman comics aren't always dark and gritty, Brave and the Bold especially comes to mind
You forgot to mention that, allegedly, Snyder hired an ad agency to create an astroturfing campaign to kick the Release The Snyder Cut hashtag into high-gear.
It wasn’t an organic movement of passionate fans, it was a bunch of fans being manipulated just so a man could get his director’s cut released.
it would be common to think if its alleged its not worth mentioning
@@yogandi8922 it actually happened the alleged part is did Zack hire them.
Wich is GREAT even if he did so.
Warner taking the opportunity to butcher his movie after his daughter death was SICK...
Even if I'm not a fan of him, this was disgusting...
Oh this hoax? I love how this has no evidence to exist lmao
@@Dru2037weird it never happened then
What? You think Snyder's style is ugly... Me too, god I thought that I was the only one
I'm so not the target audience clearly, but yeah I find it grating and hard to wqtch
@@joshevertonytsnyder really didn't appreciate the characters one bit. He made a film for himself mostly all his films are like that it's for him not the audience!
I thought I'm the only one too. I hate how his movies are so colorless for such a colorful universe. Even if there are colors, it felt as if they're trying to wash it all away.
The good thing is it encouraged me to go outside.
snyder needs to never touch the writing end of things. 300 and Watchmen were both fine. however the cliches and tropes of his style he tim burtoned himself in literally less than half the time by doubling down on his indulgences with every movie. im still a fan of his work but it is trying sometimes to not drill holes in your own head wondering by this superfluous moment is in super closeup super slo motion.
@@darthva31DC is meant to be colorful fantasy world full of serious and sometimes bit goofy stories, not die hard dark gory serious visual for every single character...
I am 17 minutes in and I want to point something out that further gets acrows how little Zack Synder gets these characters.
Superman is a child whisked away by his parents to another land in a ship. He is raised in another land and goes to the city to save the people. He was written by two Jewish writers.
HE. 👏 IS. 👏 A. 👏 MOSES. 👏 ALLEGORY. 👏
It is unbelievable how much Zack assumes he's Jesus when he is supposed to be Moses, who is one of the most important prophets in Judaism.
Oh, so that's why Superman: The Movie will always be the best film of the character: It understands that Superman is Moses and that his father Jor-El is God. Or something....
@@NebLleb
While I’m not the most adept at theology, the biggest thing that differentiates Moses and Jesus is that Moses is still human with flaws and shortcomings while Jesus being part god himself is flawless and sinless.
Remember, Superman views himself as Clark Kent first, Superman second. He views himself as a human (flaws and all) with kryptonian powers. Snyder’s Superman rarely touches upon Clark’s humanity.
there's a bit of that there but as someone who's part jewish who reads up a lot on her own people's mythology, he's sort of more of a modern interpretation of the golem. Not saying the moses allegory isn't there or that it's wrong, but he's got more than just Moses
Ohhhhh that's not something I picked up on
He cannot for the life of him drop the Christian allegories. It's like he has to include them or he'll just combust and they get worse and worse.
When you realise the dude loves Ayn Rand his entire movie catalogue makes sense lol. Have hated his DCEU movies since the first Superman. Glad to see them gone.
Or not, Because Snyderverse is gonna Restore, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347Take your Lithium Francis.
@@orhanamin1347 S-tier bait
I am just happy that we finally have stuff like "My Adventures with Superman ".
The Snyderverse, Injustic and the Suicide Squad game damn near killed my love for the character, meanwhile the show reminded me why I liked the character in the first place.
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Not ONLY Superman, but MAWS also shows how valuable Lois Lane and Jimmy are!
Lois is loyal, headstrong, tough, but sympathetic and caring.
Jimmy is enthusiastic, supportive, intelligent, and he is literally willing to throw in the bag to save a friend.
If I was Clark and had friends like that, I’d work to be the best hero too.
Injustice is a good universe the only problem with it was it got too popular and created the trend of evil Superman where people think he can only be interesting when he is evil which is a complete character assassination. While I don't think Superman would actually be evil if the events of injustice happened to him it's not wrong to make him evil as the point of an Elseworld story is to give twists on our classic characters for good or bad.
i much prefer superman TAS than MAWS i know its a new superman but i just prefer a superman who knows what hes doing and has a decent grasp
why the fuck does everyone keep whining about Injustice? it's a fucking mortal kombat game, what do you expect?
Somebody in a Snyder Facebook group compared Snyder to Charles Dickens and I almost died laughing
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I was in one of these groups and they compared him to the likes of Andrei Tarkosvsky😂😂
Sono diversi, non puoi paragonarlo
@@CristianZanin2002 idk what you said, but I feel you
@@Mirakulus9snyder fans are fucking delusional 😂
The Snyder cut was headed because WB saw a way to get a bunch of people to sign up for HBO Max
Now known as Max
Yeah and insane amounts people got that streaming service to watch zacks work
The disaster that is the Snyderverse (and the greater DCEU) has been, really makes me appreciate how much of a lightning in a bottle the MCU Infinity Saga was. Even if it wasn't perfect, that was a unified and cohesive universe that was built around likable characters with comic book fun. I think it will be impossible for it to get replicated ever again
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@@orhanamin1347it literally was a disaster, warner lost a fuck ton of money on the Snyder verse because they belived a bot campaign was actually real people. If Warner wasnt run by morons they would have just hired someone like gunn from the beginning instead of a talentless hack like snyder
@@exilestudios9546 No It’s Not, Snyder’s movies is massive success, Because for their Fanbase, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@exilestudios9546 Also James Gunn is a Hack, Zack Snyder is The Best, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347#SnyderverseSUCKED!!
What Zack Snyder fans don't understand is that if the Gunn reboot fails, it will be the definitive end of DC in the movies.
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@@orhanamin1347Ragebait only works if you don't make it obvious
@@orhanamin1347 Wouldn't a Snyder Cultist be the ones in SUPPORT of Snyder?
Imagine if we called Christians "Satan Cultists," it wouldn't make any sense.
Fanbase so braindead they made their own youtube bot
@@orhanamin1347 way to miss the point they stated
Hundreds of thousands of bots* tweeting
looks more like five bots tweeting a couple of dozen times ;) Even their spamming is lazy :D
That is defamation. You have no evidence to affirm that this is real.
tbf the fans did raise a lot of money for charity, that wasn't bots.
@@luiseduardomurillomartinez Defamation? lol bro what
The DCEU haters?
Agreed
The Snyder Cut is dogshit. Point blank.
Why do we need another Superman origin story? I’d love to see Superman in the 3rd year of his career. He’d be established, he’d be known, and it still leaves room for villains to take their shot at Superman.
Sounds perfect. Lol
I'm pretty sure that's what David Corenswet's Superman will be in James Gunn's Superman movie.
Yeah, I've noticed that most of newer movies are like that, they also spend a lot of the runtime when they can do other interesting things.
How many times we've seen Batman's origins? Lets see, Burton/shumachers films explored them, Nolan did, Snyder did😊
#SnyderCult/hypocritebiasedhaters😊
I've hated literally every single Zack Synder movie long before the DCEU came around. All the DCEU did was confirm to me how much his style drags.
He's a fucking hack, he's the worst part Hollywood that just pushes out awful garbage with no real vision. Just consume consume consume. It's gross
Yeah he's just like Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich for the superhero fans, boring and soulless movies
@@jsc315 No It’s Not, Zack Snyder is Not a Hack, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Me too it was so bad. I can only surmise that snyderverse robots are just people that haven’t seen that many movies, reject marvel schlock and therefore latch onto this abortion in order to appear sophisticated despite how terrible these movies are.
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Did your mum disowned you? Seems like you're reflecting your life's misery on a fking movie to feel better about yourself. It's sad honestly.
oh look another hater bot.
@@fourth1000 Everyone can have different opinions than you.
As a life long comics fan I like the snyderverse. Is it a good 1:1 of the comics? No. Did he make controversial decisions? Yes. But I got what he was doing. Everyone was so mad superman killed zod. I wasn't. If we're trying to be as realistic as we can work these characters then if you're superman and when right off the bat your first adversary isn't lex or metallo but a being(s) as powerful as you with combat training that outcome to stop them is inevitable. I think man of steel is quite good. Bvs was hundred by cutting the plot and as a big Batman fan I am disappointed we got a Batman that lost his way. But it resonates with me because at the time I was going through it bad and seeing this rageful and borderline psycho Batman waa paralleling where I was obviously without the murder lol. Having superman kinda redeem him paralleled my journey back to Christ. So bvs is probably the weakest but it seemed to me Zack was deconstructing to rebuild these mythological characters because he wanted to see what mage them tick. I just found that interesting because he wasn't trying to copy marvel and even at that point I was growing stale with marvel noticing the drop in quality and cookie cutter nature of their films. If say this really started after around age of ultron and the first guardians. Humor And levity is fine and necessary but boy especially after guardians was an unexpected hit they really went for it. So fit me what Zack was doing was like a pallet cleanser and it is not what I would've done but I did want to see where it would go. Like c'mon good justice league it's fantastic other than the slow no porn. He waa wilding a little too much there. But I really enjoyed justice league and I know he had controversial ideas for the sequels like Lois and Batman having a baby and it is so wild and original I at least want commons to complete that cause I just wanna see what this crazy bastard was cooking
The problem with Snyderverse is that he sells it like a Justice League story, but it was a Injustice Story.
To be honest the fall of snyderverse is more of the fault of everyone, Zack Snyder was definitely not the right choice as architect for the DCEU But Warner Brothers are no saints either The way they treated Zack during the production of JL and Having their relationship fall part Is probably one of the most ugliest downfalls of partnerships between a studio and filmmaker Next to the production of aliens 3 with Fox and David Fincher?
Something that people fail to understand is Warner wanted a darker Superman regardless of Snyder's presence. After The Dark Knight, Warner hired story collaborator David Goyer to write a script for a darker Superman movie, and this was before they had a director. Whichever director was hired, we still would've gotten Man Of Steel. Goyer even took credit for one of the more infamous moments, Superman snapping Zod's neck.
@@billybarnett9518 Wow I didn't know that until now. But yeah it brings back my point is that it is more of the fault of everyone involved. I still think having Batman V Superman the second film of this series is one of the dumbest decisions they made. If I was Zack or at least a WB executive after Man of Steel I would just have Man of Steel 2, Wonder Woman (Same novel just different ending as the director wanted plus it would be release earlier.) A Ben Affeck spin off batman movie adapting the death in the family storyline (regardless who is robin whether it is jason todd or Dick Grayson the death of robin would explain why Batman is the way he is in Batman V Superman and why he kills people.), Aquaman, The Flash,(Different Flashstoryline not Flashpoint.) Then finally Batman V Superman?
I wonder what do you think of my ideas?
@@WyattDucar Sounds like a good plan. For some reason, I can't post the article I wanna post despite several attempts, but this was their plan as of August 2008:
"Like the recent Batman sequel -- which has become the highest-grossing film of the year thus far -- Mr. Robinov wants his next pack of superhero movies to be bathed in the same brooding tone as "The Dark Knight." Creatively, he sees exploring the evil side to characters as the key to unlocking some of Warner Bros.' DC properties. "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it," he says. That goes for the company's Superman franchise as well."
@@billybarnett9518 Interesting, considering how that turned out in the end or the ideas were good just executed poorly. I will admit while I don't hate the whole Batman killing people in Batman V Superman I just wish we have an in-universe explanation for why he essentially become the punisher and I think having Ben Affleck spin off film earlier as well as adapting the Death in the family Storyline would be good because at least we would understand the current state he is in Batman V Superman?
@@WyattDucarSnyder stated he wanted more movies before a BVS.
But I think the DCEU could have started with a JL movie.
Let’s be honest Bens Batman was carried almost entirely by the fight scenes. If it weren’t for those he wouldn’t even be *half* as popular as he is
About that. #MakeTheBatfleckMovie #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347Bud it’s so over so I don’t know why you Snyder fans try especially for such shit movies
@@butterstotch3233 Nobody Cares, Because Snyderverse is not over, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Not enough, as Affleck is an underwhelming actor.
i agree, tbh if it not for the goofy suit and voice of Christian bale i think he was the closest we got to a perfect batman
The Snyder Bro phenomenon is just absolutely fascinating. They don't think, they don't reason, they just have one instinct which is to defend the Snyderverse at all costs.
The fact you see the flaws in these movies even when you have hardly read any of the comics just goes to show that even as a movie person these movies suck
Like seriously the snyderverse movies are the most boring movies I have ever watched in my life not to mention Comic book movies
It's weird that Batman immediately goes to kill Superman, but then we find out The Joker is still alive in this continuity despite killing Jason(?).
He killed Dick, not Jason. Zack confirmed it was Dick and made it worse
Not to defend BvS too hard but it was Superman being so powerful that made bruce go mental until their fight. He was just normal Batman before and then he retired after Dick was killed only to come back when he saw a guy who could possibly do what the Joker was doing to Gotham on a global scale.
@@Haydawg06to be fair he didn’t make that clear that he was retired
The bigesst flaw of BvS is that it doesn't inclued a scen of Jesse Eisenberg pissing into a jar.
Facts!!!
Really would have given it an arthouse vibe
The piss jars are iconic
@@jsc315 About That. #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
That would’ve been peak cinema, would’ve put Citizen Kane to shame ngl
Anyone here after the new trailer? Feels good to see the real superman again
And yet they couldn’t help but take from iconic imagery in Snyder’s films
Superman for kids lol this james gun shit will not succeed
My Brother in Christ, that is just general Superman Imagery. Unless you mean to tell me Snyder traveled back to the year 1938 to create the Character
@Kpwasd the beginning of the trailer where he plummets into the snow and the part with the citizens protesting and throwing shit at him reminded me of those scenes from Man of Steel/BVS except not nearly as visually striking
@@Dolavin that is something that has also happened in the comics. Again, snyder did not come up with that.
People who think MCU is childish and goofy should look at how that scene was handled when Tony Stark finds out that Bucky is the killer of his parents and loses it. It's all rage in him from that point on. That is cinema. That was serious tone people think didn't exist in MCU
@@zogwort1522 We're not that pretentious, sorry.
if most of it IS silly and goofy then it would still be childish even if it has its dark moments
@@zogwort1522flick these nuts
Too bad it's kinda ridiculous and forced just to create the 'epic fight scene'. Why would he be angry and actually try to kill a brainwashed person that had literally no control over his actions?He's supposed to be an actual hero. I hated it so much.
@@suikim9194 Iron Man has always been portrayed as a flawed hero. He's not a boy scout like Steve Rogers or Clark Kent.
You know it's bad when the movie's called Batman v Superman, and yet it doesn't contain a single reason why Batman fights Superman.....
It is when you can manage to flop a movie like Batman vs Superman where audiences will go in theaters and watch it just for that two logos. Honestly the whole film is mediocre but when Marthe came out, that goes from mediocre to trash. It's a movie that will go down in history.
The funniest thing to me is that all the people yelling for the Snyderverse to be restored forget that Ben Afleck was pretty much done with Batman. Watch his interviews for Live by Night whenever someone asks about Batman, he's holding back from just walking out of the interview half the time.
People are aware of that. It's just that to a lof of fans he was the best incarnation of Batman.
@@MsTrianglethose fans are wrong
@@MsTriangle He was a poor batman
I don't care what everybody says. Cavill doesn't exude Superman. Being big and muscular doesn't mean you look like Superman. There's more than that.
Cavill did a good job with what he was limited with
@@xxxtrainstation1049 I'm only talking about his looks. Still looks nothing like Superman to me other than being muscular.
@@akwilson1676 he looks like supes just doesn't have the hair thing in the front
He's too handsome for a Clark Kent imo
I liked him in the suit, but he does not sell the "small town guy trying to do the right thing"
I think the worst part of this trilogy of movies is they wasted Superman's death. No upcoming much slower paced buildup to such an event will ever have the same "sting" to a general audience because they did it here so sloppily, so now anyone looking at a new series of movies that builds up to a sacrifice are just going to recall these movies and say "Oh that's okay, he heals from death so he'll be fine", so every movie in between his death and resurrection (the "in between" being something that doesn't exist in the Snyderverse) will just have audience asking "hey when's Superman coming back?" instead of what they should be thinking, which is "I miss Superman right now".
Heck, they even could have taken the Snyderverse and spun it into a multiversal idea, doing a direct followup by another director called "Justice Society" based on a more retro and kinder aesthetic and their contact with the Snyderverse. You know, conflicting viewpoints of alternate characters playing off each other. Instead, Marvel even beat them to THAT punch to such an extent everyone's sick of the very concept of the multiverse.
Superman’s death should have been like “Voldemort’s return” in the 4th Harry Potter, a BIG moment that changed the narrative to a darker path but the whole story is already dark and with all the Jesus metaphors we know he comes back
Glad to see someone making a good review of this horrible universe. Snyder Riders are f'cking relentless and hate anything that's light and colorful.
Oh F**k Off, Snyder Cultist Hack, Because Snyderverse are still going, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
They still think Warner bros will bring it back it's sad really like I understand but like damn atleast the new stuff a chance
Snyder riders goes hard ngl
The biggest problem with the Snyderverse is that WB gave the keys to their DC Cinematic Universe to an artsy, pretentious edgelord director who did not care about the source material in the slightest. They were hoping they'd capture the same lightning in a bottle the Christopher Nolan Batman movies did as opposed to trying to make a superhero film universe akin to their competitor (the Marvel Cinematic Universe).
Instead of something like The Avengers, you end up with an attempt to create an epic tale of gods among men with overly deep and pretentious themes, because WB had to gamble on one director who was NOT interested in superheroes in the slightest.
Honestly there's nothing wrong with exploring deeper themes in Superhero media, but like, you need to understand the characters themselves first. Your deep themes should emerge out of the existing themes in each of the characters. If Superman doesn't suit the themes of your film, then don't cast Superman, find another character that suits the theme.
To me Snyder's films come across as being made by an angsty teenager who thinks violence and swearing is "cool" and "adult".
Snyder fans want to like Superman, but don't understand Superman.
The love the power fantasy of a big muscular handsome man (and yes, that's pretty tame compared to how I've seen a lot of these allegedly straight men talk about what they like about Cavill) wallop on a bad guy. They value his speed, his strength, his powers... and even his anger. They want a Dragonball Z live action movie, not even realizing that Goku would be just as ashamed in what they actually want.
To them, Superman saving a cat from a tree isn't a sign of him valuing the goodness in the world no matter how small... it's a sign of weakness. It's 30 seconds wasted that he could've spent punching aliens or making eyes at Lois Lane., or making very weird Injustice-esque threats toward human beings.
When Man of Steel came out, I was willing to give it a chance. Having Superman grow as someone, having him not start out totally perfect... that wasn't a terrible idea. Hopefully the sequel would build on the guilt he felt by leveling Metropolis, by being unable to save people, by killing Zod... and hopefully, it would form him into a more effective, but also more optimistic hero.
But it didn't. And given the leaks for the later Justice League films he'd planned, that was never the plan. We'd just get more Evil Superman. Sure, he'd redeem himself by the end, but before then? Just overlong film after overlong film of bleak, depressing mad Superman for the very weird fanboys to lose what's left of their minds over.
I think Snyder's 300 was good and his style works for it. I absolutely hate how it looks in DC movies though. I don't get how WB doesn't just hand the reigns to their animated DC team cuz they write a good script the characters work and the story is good and makes sense just let them make a full length real film then.
300 was trash lol sorry. Just kinda looked kool in certain areas. His best movie is watchman and the hbo show absolutely does a better job. Snyder just kinda sucks lol. Head actors love to work with him though. He's fun and delivers a film under budget and on time so hollywoood loves the guy even though his writing suuuux lol.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Oh, wow. A media illiterate redditor.
I think that comment about how this comment section is nothing but people fighting and dying on a mountain is becoming more and more accurate...
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 [groan] Of course the redditor is insulting people who just so happen to like Snyder's films and not the SnyderBros.
I think that comment on how this comment section is nothing but people fighting on a mountain is shockingly accurate...
Imagine having a cinematic universe with two of the most popular superheroes in western canon
And the most beloved character to come out of it is fucking Peacemaker.
Leave it to James Gunn to make lesser-known characters popular and begin one of the biggest salvage operations in film history.
@@NebLleb Nobody Cares about Gunn’s DCU Bullshit, We Want Snyderverse to Restore, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Yeah, Nobody saw Peacemaker series and TSS. #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347 yeahhhh, i have a lot of proof of the contrary, but sure, continue to defend that hack that is Hack Snyder. Oh, and, how is Rebel Moon by the way (It's a rhetorical question, everyone knows it sucks, heck, it's a miracle Games Workshop didnt pursue him considering how much of Warhammer 40K he blatenly stole)
@@DarkAnon100 Screw you, Zack Snyder is Not a Hack, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
I just feel like the overlap between Snyder fans and internet fascists is bigger than anyone wants to acknowledge
Hm... Fascism is about forcing people to think a certain way, Snyder fans (including Sucker Punch ones) want to force people to view their movies as great...
It just makes too much sense. And this is coming from someone who loves 300!
Most of Snyder's movies are lowkey fascist propaganda in a lot of ways.
Fucking go outside and touch some grass, jesus christ.
Facism is when zach snyder slo mo, the more slo mo, the more facister
I just feel like you people need to stop learning political buzzwords off reddit and go touch some fucking grass because jesus christ this is getting embarassing
Zack snyder being in charge of the dc universe is the worst thing that ever happened to cinema. Jamea gunn brought back the iconic bullet logo. Maybe 2021 the suicide squady peacemaker and creature commandos which are perfect. Absolutely perfect
Totally agree with you Zack Snyder and his cults single handedly destroyed DC Universe😢😢
The fact they allowed Zack Snyder, who clearly hates superheroes (to a degree) to direct a superman movie, amongst others. Will forever baffle me.
And the fact it's spawned such a horrid rabid fanbase who now hate anything that's genuinely close to what Superman should be is incredibly frustrating.
Superman is the GOAT, and these movies have poisoned his well so much.
I Agreed for that. #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347 We get it! You're salty! Deal with it and move on with your life. #REJECTtheSnyderverse
@@NebLleb Hell No, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #DontRejectTheSnyderverse #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
I totally HATE the performance of the two actors portraying The Flash, and Lex Luthor!! VERY poor choices for such iconic characters!
Sad because Lex's actor was great in The Social Network with Andrew Garfield
@allanorme2093 He may be a good actor...but he was totally wrong for Lex Luthor.
I think the direction was worse. I can't tell how much is the actor trying to act like this sniveling nerd character and how much he was told to act that way.
Snyder doesn't care why things happen so long as it looks cool that they happen.
To any readers of this comment section, here is some advice from someone who is not a film-maker but actively thinks like one and would like to be some day.
Visual spectacle is great, but it should never be prioritized over story when making a movie. The story comes first, and if ever something occurs in it that happens to be spectacular, only depict it then. But those moments need to feel earned, so focus first on the characters, their actions, motivations, thoughts and feelings which lead up to them.
Don't use spectacle every ten-seconds to keep your viewers engaged. Do that through other means. Personally, I would resort to that by tickling the intellectual parts of your viewer's minds, even while simultaneously giving them story elements that require some suspension of disbelief. For example, TV shows like "Doctor Who" do a good job at doing this. A lot of the "science" in that show is incredibly fake, but it feels believable for the overall universe that is being conveyed.
With regard to overall visuals prior to moments of spectacle, you can at least make them intriguing through lighting and color-grading, but obviously, those two things needs to be done wisely. Lighting should enhance the subject and convey the mood. Color grading can also be used to convey a mood, but first and foremost, it should be used to enhance your footage. Stylization, if need be, can come later. But even then, it should not be overdone like in movies such as The Ring, Twilight, and 300.
Camerawork is especially crucial. It's important to utilize the rule of thirds and not overuse central focus on your subjects. But you need to set up a shot in a way that allows your viewer to absorb information in a feasible way.
All of this advice is based not only on my personal experiences with shooting and editing videos, but also from a Visual Storytelling class I took in college. I'm by no means a professional, so maybe don't take my word for it 100%. But some of the advice I give might be helpful.
That's great. It doesn't matter. All are fictitious.
@@eliesh3833I hope you succeed in your goal of becoming a film maker, I want to be one too.
People trash the theatrical cut so much, yet Whedon patched that inconsistency about Cyborg with a reshoot.
"It's my armor's defense system! It's stronger since the interface! I can't control it!"
yeah fixed this and fucked up all the rest + created a toxic environment. What a cool guy that Joss Whedon.
@@MsTriangle Didn't say he's a great guy. He just tried to patch up the faults in Snyder's version with some of the reshoots.
The main reason WB actually released the snydercut of JL is because during the beginning of the pandemic they needed content for HBO Max. I don’t think it ever sees the light of day if there was no COVID
This is SO GOOD!! It's sharp and to the point, highlighting Hack Snyder's incompetence. Just look at his DC movies and his recent mess, Rebel Moon Part 1 & 2. They’re filled with illogical plot points, unlikable main characters, confusing decisions, incoherent storylines, ridiculous villains, unnecessary slow motion, and excessive violence and sexual content. I'm glad he's relegated to only directing Netflix movies; it's the only place for such an egotistical, self-indulgent director. He’s like a 14-year-old edgelord.
I am truly amazed people keep throwing money at him
@@joshevertonyt Netflix was just riding the hype of Snyder's Justice League cut when they signed multiple movie deals with him. Trust me, with his recent flops like Army of the Dead (another incoherent movie) and Rebel Moon, they wont be throwing money at him for long. His egotistical comments in interviews, like saying his movie would be bigger than Barbie if it were shown in theaters, won't help him either. Netflix didn't even promote Rebel Moon 2 as they did with the first movie, and they lifted the movie critics' embargo just a few minutes before the premiere, which shows that even Netflix knew how bad the movie was lol
No It’s Not, Zack Snyder is Not a Hack, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@bjdepro Nah, It did well on Netflix, You Snyder Cultist Hack!!!
@@orhanamin1347 LOOOOOOL 🤣
Lois it's a plot device, even Amy Adams say that in a video
I've been binging the Superman & Lois series on Max, and it's super jarring to be reminded that the Snyderverse ever existed. After being so immersed in one of the best live action depictions of Superman ever written, talking about the worst one is one hell of a trip.
Nuance is too much of a big boy word for Zack to comprehend, he is an absolute hack so if he can make movies anyone can
What I find crazy is how the snyder fans convinced themselves the snyder version is a "cut" of the film or the "original version" like no, its not. Its a brad new film zach got to make all on his own, its not what would have been released in theaters if he stayed on.
The Snyder cult is officially a complete pile of trash now. Superman (2025) looks promising and hopeful with its trailer. Yet the Snyder cult can make up anything to wrongly criticize the movie. They just nitpick and create these stupid posts online. They compare the DCEU superman with James gunns superman and half the time it doesn’t even make any sense. They think that if an iteration of Superman isn’t like Zack Snyders superman then it isn’t superman at all and It’s disgusting. I was someone who wanted to see the DCEU win. I wanted a man of steel 2 and a proper DC series overall. I liked man of steel despite its flaws. But after that film, things went downhill. If Zack had his way then we would’ve been looking at one of the worst DC films ever. Superman was never going to feel like superman again, Batman had a kid with Lois, the heroes are killed, and the flash was going to reverse everything making the movies pointless and a waste of time.
Or we would’ve been thrown into a terrible BACU (black Adam cinematic universe). Where black Adam would probably never lose a fight and would somehow never cross paths with Shazam. So
We all dodged a huge bullet. These movies were not good.
Zack Snyder is the kind of guy Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich refused to eat lunch with at school due to being a pretentious douche.
as someone who loves the comics and the lore , the fact some people were defending it saying its comic accurte because scenes looked like comic panels was baffling , they banked on the fact that in the first few appereance of batman in 1939 where the character was a bland noir detective and i mean maybe 4 issues to justifying him killing and assisinating his entire growth and development of the character , i felt ashamed of being a DC fan
The Snyderverse just feels like some fanfic written by an edgy 12 year old.
In fact, it’s not really it’s own shared universe as it’s just three Zack Snyder directed DC Movies that are part of an already failed universe.
DCEU is not Failed Universe, Ya Hack!!! #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Oh Brother
yes it is, that’s why they’re rebooting with good people in charge and not Hack Snyder
@@Bugplanet8840 Nope, Gunn’s DCU is Already DOA, All Because for Snyder Fans and WB, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347 Hey kid, your mom says to calm down or she's turning the internet off for a month again
Can we discuss how, in the 1978 movie, Clark is reluctant to leave Smallville and arranged for a neighbour to "help out" on the farm (writers obviously didn't realise what a massive amount of sheer labour goes into running a farm). He was compelled to leave by the crystal, which doesn't make sense, but it was a touching scene, and there was something Clark "had to do" ie learn about his Kryptonian origins and learn to control his powers.
In the Silver Age comics and the Smallvile TV show, Clark leaves his mother to attend Metropolis University, which she, like any parent, would very much support and encourage.
In MoS, Clark leaves for no apparent reason, drifts round, causing his poor mother huge anxiety, then finally says to Perry White "hi, I've no college education, never trained in journalism and I worked as a waiter in a diner, can I have a job as a reporter on your prestigious and massive City newspaper?"
Makes zero sense.
11:24 This is where I completely checked out of the Metropolis fight. Due to his superpowers, there are multiple ways that Superman can stop that tanker with minimal damage to the surrounding buildings (and the people inside them). Instead, he leaps over it, allowing it to crash full force into a building and EXPLODE. That was the breaking point for me. This isn't Superman.
I always saw it as Superman being unused to minimizing power; like somebody who's only just uncovering the damage they can cause. The problem is the execution if said movies; BvS should have been strictly Batman/Superman/Lex, not Doomsday. It should have been Clarke seeing the weight of hos power and solidifying her morals and focus to always control the collatoral damage of his fights, so that when MoS2 came out, it shows him constantly pushing fights into the skies or space and far from cities and towns.
Unfortunately, the extreme and irrational Synder fans will most likely go to criticize Gun's universe. We are already seeing it with the new Superman movie (which is not even out yet).
That one always kills me. If you've already decided you hate it before it even comes out, what chance does it have?
@@joshevertonyt All Because for Snyder Fans. #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
You called it! 😂
But you have to understand: these movies were made for the fans. And can be only be enjoyed by the true DC fans who read the comics and invest on these characters.
. . . . I actually read a shit load of DC comics and know each and every story the Snyderverse were inspired from. And its all a piss poor take.
1) Now I am more forgiving on Man of Steel as there are a lot of different origin retellings of Superman including Johb Bryne’s Man of Steel, Mark Waid’s Superman Birthrifhr, Geoff Jones’ Supwrman Secrer Origins, and Max Landis’ Superman American Alien. But for conparisson lets go with Birthrighr which seems like the one Superman Origin that Snyder’s Man of Steel is directly inspired from. Like Birthright was also a more grounded and updated retelling of the character which dwells with the themes of Clark struggling to learn about who he is and his gradual development in becoming accepted as Earth’s champion who inspires others. The thing is Birthright actually pulled off said development and didn’t came across as contrived as you pointed out with the video. I even like how said story present the invading Kryptonian army as merely just a false flag operation by Lex Luthor to sew dissent in public trust towards Superman (which is a lot smartly done that Luthor’s plan in BVS which speaking of. . . . . )
2) Batman v. Superman is clogged up mess of a story that doesn’t do any of the stories it included justice. It failed to do the first meeting of the heroes right compare to how JB Man of Steel pulled off their initial teeth clenched team up which focus the development of the two mutual respect. It failed to understand the meaning of their fight from The Dark Knight Returns which was supposed to be a clash between two long acquainted friends who are now on opposite sides of the law. And it failed to understand the impact of The Death of Superman story which is something that should of been saved for in a movie later down the film universe than at the early stages of the whole thing.
3) ZS Justice League really is just a bloated retelling of New 52 Justice League origin. Like the only difference being is that Steppenwolf is the starting villain instead of Darkseid and there is NO Green Lantern. And worst yet, said movie attempt to evoke the same tone and themes of Pantheon as Grant Morrisson JLA while completely missing the metacontex behind said themes. Doesn’t help that the whole Knightmare sequence was trying to emulate the whole bad future from the Rock of Ages storyline. Point is: you really would have a better time enjoying Justice League by just reading Grant Morrison’s JLA.
@BigK13372 thanks for this context! I am genuinely impressed how hard they fumbled very odd and specific attempts at sewing so many different things together
@@joshevertonyt Yeah it is depressing, as I legit wanted the film universe to succeed in bringing the characters and their story to the silver screen. But the combination of the questionable logic in the characters, the bleakness in its tone despite Justice League attempt at being more idealistic, and just the constant bastardization of the story does convince me that Snyderverse was just a sinking ship of a franchise.
And the post-Snyder era is just all over the place with quality as they either are some of the best representation of the characters (Aquaman, Shazam, The Suicid Squad, Blue Beetle) or dumpster fires that I regret seeing (Wonder Woman 84, The Flash, Black Adam, Shazam Fury of the Gods)
@@BigK13372 And It Completely flopped Because for that. #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
@@orhanamin1347 Translation: BRBRBRBBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR~!!!!
@@orhanamin1347 Keep telling yourself that, Snyder-Bot.
This video is so much more entertaining then any of these movies, Zack's Snyder cut is straight up torture.
Who Cares, Because We Want Snyderverse to Restore, Ya Hack!!! #FireJamesGunn #BoycottDCstudios #BoycottWBD #RestoreTheSnyderverse
Snyder's Batman and Superman are basicly wannabe Watchmen characters writen by a man who dosen't even understand Watchmen
As someone who has read DC and has a very bias opinion based on the comics I have read, these versions are a far cry from the iconic characters I have loved since I was a child.
As a former fan who tried watching the Main Arc of the DCEU, I cannot deny the story...hasn't aged well. I was a bit fatigued with Marvel's content especially some parts of it not aging well. Such as the horrors of CGI and VFX special effects, the humor being used at nauseoum especially Thor Love and Thunder, the many releases for phases, etcetera. But I still feel the MCU still lives up because between Iron Man to Endgame all stories managed to reach a conclusion rather than a rushed final arc.
That is why I feel the reason why the Snyderverse failed was Warner Brothers, The issues with Snyder as a Director, and issues with how they gave the product.
Warner is still a busy and messy company due to its poor working condtions and issues in the DC universe. Rather than doing their way of films, they tried to copy Marvel's universe and that failed too. They were too eager in producing yet again another dark superhero movie after Nolan left the Dark Knight trilogy, and because of that they hired Snyder.
And sigh, I never got into Snyder's movies. There's something off with the dark lighting as well as the characters acting like a soap opera. I mean what he did with his Snyder Take of Justice League was incredible, I feel he's great at choreography by making it intense but the way the characters are like makes me bored watching it.
Now don't get me wrong I did enjoy some parts of the Snyderverse. I enjoyed the Man of Steel's take of Zodd the most thanks to Zodd's actor, Michael Shannon. I feel Henry Cavill is an underrated Superman that unfortunately didn't capture his full potential but he was great at being heroic. I liked Cavill's Superman outfit and maybe if Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor was given development more, maybe it could've been great.
But the Snyderverse to me is a what if. I'm sure Snyder loves filming and his choreography is incredible. He may be fun to others but personally I sadly don't get it. He's great with the coreography but his work to me feels so....incomplete? And while I did enjoy some pieces of his Snyderverse JLU, it doesn't feel as fulfilling as I hoped. Maybe I was burnt out by cinematic movie trilogies though this movie wasn't a hit for me as I hope. The only reason I enjoyed the Cut was Cyborg and Stepphenwolf and everything was wasted. Too bad the movie's runtime was long and it sucks we never got to see Darkseid in action. Poor Bruce is still the violent vigilante take of Snyder and Superman wasn't able to shine until the last acts. And Snyder always made the "ominous foreshadowing" that he'll always snap and turn evil. Sigh.
That's why maybe we cannot simply revive a beaten horse. We all got our Snyderverse JLU movie and while I enjoy his take I just never got intetested in Snyder. I still feel if much fault is Warner but Snyder to me shouldn't work for a cinematic movie. I never got interested in his movies especially Rebel Moon because why do we have to watch a two parter of a gritty Star Wars take? I hope Snyder becomes a better creator because I'm just unimpressed besides his movie the 500.
The only reason why I enjoyed the DCEU's movies isn't Snyder. But the many other directors who made other movies. Like Joker (2019) or The Batman (2022). Maybe The DCU should focus on superhero one offs on characters or take their own spin on the mythos while still respecting the source material. Overall, I don't despise the Snyderverse I'm just disappointed.
Your comment is incredibly and so so so true. It this had happened around the same time as Dark Knight I doubt it would have had such a bad reaction because it “would have been very much on theme due to the war on terror”
Wonder Woman is the only good thing out of the whole DCEU mess.
The Snyderverse is like watching 50 shades: disturbing people will try to convince you otherwise, but it’s a terrible idea that should never ever cross your mind.
Let’s be honest. Them movies look like CW production, only darker, cooler toned without any meaning.
And yes, the fight scenes are always confusing.
Jesse Isenberg is horrid. This was his worst thing yet. But this discount "hard edged" Michael Cera Schick is for the birds.
I still don’t understand that Movement to bring back the Snyderverse when Zach has Little Respect and Understanding for DC as a Whole and being of that he screwed up DC, not to mention he’s the main reason people like Amber Heard and Ezra Miller are in those Movies as he confirmed he didn’t check their Backgrounds and just picked them out for what he thought was the right call, so yeah I’m happy this Universe is One Foot in the Grave.
I hate all this mess from the Snydercult because it is pointless, the Snyderverse has no chance of returning anyway
Now imagine the prespective of people who do read the comics and love these characters 😭
I am a huge fan of the comics. These are absolutely godawful representations. If you want good and inspired Batman & Superman movies watch Superman 1978 or The Batman. Or the animated movies but I’m always trying to get people into comic characters like an evangelist 😅 don’t mind me
Nice man, you should check out the comic pals, they talk about new comics every week and there is always new people getting into comics there
@@knilla2khi good sir, what superman comics do you suggest reading? Give me three suggestions. I'm looking for good superman stuff to read
@ hey I’m humbled you asked but also happy to give you some suggestions:
1) Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow? (Superman #423 & Action Comics #583)
2) What’s So Funny About About Truth, Justice, And The American Way? (Action Comics #775)
3) All-Star Superman #1-12
All these should encapsulate Superman pretty well and those last two especially may be inspirations for the new movie next year. I hope you can find these easily and have a great holiday season, my good sir.
@@knilla2k Thanks brother. I'll get them and read them. Happy holidays and new year. God bless. Don't forget to look up in the sky!
Finally someone said it... As a DC fan I hate Snyder verse.
Same
I'm pretty sure the Snyder verse was what ultimately made me drop DC for a few years.