Despite disagreeing the "exclusivity" policy on principal level & the very fact that most of Japanese publishers denied Bayo 2 proposal for further funding & publishing, I applaud Nintendo for taking the right decision & saw a critical opportunity with Bayonetta franchise. Now, Bayonetta became an even bigger name & rising its popularity within Nintendo fandom especially with her inclusion as roster in SSB games. This is why I would predict Bayonetta 3 would get an even bigger sales numbers & popularity if the game turn out to be even just as good as previous titles.
I didn't get a Wii U to play Bayo 2, but I might get a Switch for it. I'm just really glad that Nintendo saved the franchise. I really loved Bayonetta as soon as I saw it first being announced. I thought she was a badass character with a lot of promise and the first game didn't disappoint. Hopefully, Bayonetta 3 will be just as awesome.
Exclusives are honestly, unfortunately, the last place where you're still going to get long single player games with no forced online or microtransactions. Sony and Nintendo basically view their exclusives as console sellers. They don't care if they never make their money back on them. So honestly, exclusives, despite people's good reasons to dislike them, may actually be the best thing for gamers who love single player.
Except Nintendo has the publishing rights for 2 and likely 3, so despite Sega owning the name Bayonetta, the cant publish it onto other platforms without Nintendos say so, which is extremely unlikely.
One of the good things about this series is how you can appreciate different things in both Bayo games; for example, I like the darker atmosphere and more gothic feel of the first game, while Bayo 2 is so inviting with its bright colors, almost like a playable birthday party! Anyway, thank you for your videos Foxcade. God bless you. :)
Damn well better be considering its been a year of nothing since last year's TGA, though there's always the chance Platinum are lying low as not to be overshadowed by long awaited Devil May Cry 5.
I think Jeanne's design in one was supposed to make her look austere and intimidating rather than fun and sexy. They did a good job at that and I think she also looked very fashionable. Meanwhile her attractive redesign in 2 makes sense now that she's a full on ally and counterpart to funtimes Bayonetta.
Yeah, I remember hearing that Nintendo were the ones asking for the alternate costumes to be made a bit more risque than they were originally designed. Pretty sure they wouldn't have approached Platinum in the first place if they had any intention of changing who Bayonetta's character is. She's toned down a bit in Smash, but that game they want to keep the T rating.
Mr. Foxcade there are so many things you could cover, Dead Space, God of War (the old ones), and the modern Ninja Gaidens. Well at least those are my ideas. I would love to say that I have seen all your videos, however I haven't yet played every game that you've done a video on. I am a huge fan though, and yours is a channel that I hold in high regard, and where I consider every video to be time well spent.
He should cover both the new and old god of war games, the new game might be a drastic departure but it shouldn't be counted off just because it's different. It still shares many elements as that other games in genre. Even if other games do it better.
@@SushiGhost97 I still haven't played the new one, that's why I didn't mention it. But I am honestly really looking forward to playing it, so no hate from me.
@@user-fy3oy4vo9m there's a fair amount of critical thinking against the New design given the changes of combat. I would say it's accurate but doesn't make it a bad game.
Honestly, I know many don't like it, but I love the clock-framing this game does. To me it fits the theme of time is running out, every second bayonetta is breathing, she is running out of time to save Jean. Not only for that reason, it sets up some really nice compositions and it doesn't make the viewer bored by staring at the same scene over and over. Having them shift their view to three points (most of the time) ends up being a very different style of story telling I love.
I like it too. Make everything straight to the point (even with those lengthy dialogues) along with different Perspectives from many involved characters make it for me, and I would less likely to skip cut scenes,too. Animated cut scenes are definitely superior, but with the way of talking in Bayonetta, the clock power point makes it less cringey for me, 😅and it's more interesting as well as satisfied aesthetic creative that actually trademarks the franchise.
I feel like Bayonetta 1 handled witch time much better. In Bayonetta 1, witch time wasn’t essential, it was an option. Take a look at the NSIF in 1 compared to 2. Those who had the skill played that difficulty for the challenge of no witch time, but in 2, witch time became one of the only ways to pure platinum NSIF.
Thank you for making this oh my god how I love these damn games. I just unlocked bayo in smash yesterday and I'm not gonna lie I did a little happy dance.
Keep doing what you're doing, the way I see it you're on the same level as Supereyepatchwolf and Supperbutterbuns with the quality of your content. The subs will come.
I never had a problem understanding the story of either games, granted I wasn't reading all the journals or anything, but I easily understood the story of the first one, and after recently getting a switch, I understood the second one as well
A fantastic video! Bayonetta and Bayonetta 2 are my favourite games of all time. And this video wonderfully covers everything there is to cover about Bayonetta 2.
I think overall, while I like the greater weapon variety (chainsaws and scythes were the only things I wanted as main weapons and I got both plus more), the better color palette, less cheap gameplay moments such as the QTE's and some genuinely amazing story beats...I still like bayo 1 more. Bayo 2 is good, but I feel like the gimping of some of the more nuanced mechanics like enemy step (got limited to only one instead of being able to do it as much as you want), the over reliance on witch time for enemies and is pretty much necessary just to hit bosses, and the overall easier difficulty bring the game down in my eyes. What you said at the end about bayo 2 not being as big of a shock as bayo 1 might actually be why bayo 3 is taking so long really. The devs probably want to make the next game stand out more considering how little of an impact the second game made. Hopefully, bayo 3 can manage to take the best from 1 and 2 along with some new mechanical tweaks and changes to the system to make it feel fresh again. Happy New Year to you by the way and thanks for all these years of great content you've provided us.
@@XC11301991 can't wait for those videos. Character action Fans have an amazing time right now having both DMC5 and Bayo3 coming out in possible the same year.
I think "over reliance on witch time" is an understatement, some enemies don't even have a wind-up animation (or a very short one) before they attack, forcing you to dodge randomly, a good example of this are the Balder bosses or that one enemy that has the insta-kill attack that makes you a child. What's really sad is that the gameplay is the only thing keeping this game from being as amazing as the first one, which is the most crucial part in an action game of this style, I just hope that we get to see the Bayo 1 combat polish in 3 :)
Weird, i feel bayonetta 2 is better in almost every way than the first. The first felt cheap, rather than actually hard. The 2nd is only easier because it doesn't have a constant onslaught of cheap enemies.
@@snmcfadden Enemies in the first game aren't cheap but the QTE's and instant kill sections can definitely feel that way since a lot of them just come out of the blue along with enemies even attacking out of cutscenes. That, however, stops mattering on repeat playthroughs since you know when those things are coming and despite those the enemies themselves are still hard on their own merits. What exactly did you find cheap about them by the way outside of the things I mentioned?
No, it's that I asked him something he has been asked a bunch before. He regularly responds to English tweets, in English, so its nothing much to do with not being Japanese.
That too but I've also seen a tweet of his that says that I claimed earlier. That was a while ago, so maybe that's changed. Kamiya may be brilliant but from what I gathered from stories about him, he comes off as an arrogant prick.
I never got how people couldn't follow Bayo 1's story. I didn't have such a hard time following. Sure it was moment that head tilting but everything that was said, was pretty much used and developed on so i don't get how people though it confusing or all over the place. In fact, location was the thing that seemed all over the place not the story itself
Honestly the one moment that I did not understood was the time travel thing. So Bayonetta has brought back Cereza to the past and becuse of here influence Cereza does not get stapped in the heart and put to sleep fore 500 hundret years. She and Jeanne ateam up against the Angels. That makes me queston how the events of the first game could even took place. That are some massive changes yet Bayonetta returns to a completly unchanged present with the only difference being that the left eye awoke within in here.
@@sofaris576 Split timelines. The awakening of the eyes happens across all timelines, so Cereza awakening due to not being sealed in the other timeline allowed her to in the main one. That's how I figured, at least.
In the story one thing I would have liked to see more is Bayonetta being a little more maternal. To get to see that new side of her. I actually really enjoy the interactions in the beginning as she warms up to him and shares her experiences. I really want to see some more tender and caring of her. That she is not devoid of the normal female emotions. Of course I'm not asking for her to lose her sharp tongue, bold confidence or fun loving attitude. But just that she is more capable of other emotions as well.
9:30 I also think it's pretty much to demand Nintendo would help pay for games on other consoles. If Nintendo makes an investment, especially a big one like Bayonetta 2 then they want to see some reward for it.
Actually, that's amazing that you made this video in time before the new year, when most youtubers wanted to but couldn't make it. good job and happy new year.
It is always interesting watching long, detailed review like this, but you're knowledge of both games mechanics suffers greatly neglecting the maximum difficulty - Non Stop Climax. As with all action games simylar in that veine, maximum difficulty is the main source of challenge and replayability, and this is when shortcomings of the sequel keep popin out. I think my main gripe with the Bayo 2 is overall design phisosophy. Dev team was trying to balance Bayonetta arsenal and enemy for some reason, when Bayo 1 had already had perfect balance of risk and reward. My question is why? Enemies already can block, dodge, use variety of mellee or range weapon and very fast on NSC. You can kill them very fast, and so can enemies. Instead they went with the motto "where could we nerf bayo even more". For example in Bayo 1, enemies can block your attack, but no with 100% chance. They can't block it from the back, only if enemy has armour like Fairness (Which you can destroy). But in Bayo 2 they Block you in almost 9/10 ratio (even from the back) unless you punch them in the witch time.And Witch time duration is heavily shortened. Overall Bayo output power is hightly lowered, rendered many attacks like Stiletto and breakdance nearly useless, with exeption of Low-tier enemies.Wicked Weaves is now means nothing, they barely affect gameplay, when in Bayo 1 it was the main instrument to create space for you to combo and being defencivly-offensive (with using dodge offset). Witch time now is only your main tool, which forces you into narrow mindset of "dodge,attack,dodge, attack", limiting your gameplay freedom and creativity, when the first game its was the way to ease players not familiar with this type of fast-action games (like myself) into mechanics. Umban Climax have give you little to no tacital utiility unlike Devil Trigger, and works more like Free Hit Masing Marathon.There's so many more questionable design choices, like very strict timers on the versus ranks, and enemies without proper visual-cues and with the same audio-cues etc. It is not bad game by any means, even good i say, but miss Bayo 1 top-notch polish when comes to creating challenging and at the same time fair gameplay. For me its mostly not about difficulty, these changes heavily affect replayabillity and fun i got from the game. Which raises the question - do delevopers even realise what they create and what been so good about Bayo 1, carelessly throw all that things that works perferctly for sequel into the garbage can?I think that "Nerf everything" mindset is not good fit for theese type of games.
One of my bittersweet memories with bayo 2 compared to bayo 1 was that you don’t get points against you for using items so it was so easy to pure platinum bayo 2 if you stockpile enough invincibility items throughout the main game. I feel dirty having pure platinum on climax difficulty on it. Bayo 1 doesn’t hold its punches on that difficulty plus no items I could never pure platinum lol
Cheers for using my footage I can’t use the meme anymore the cheque is in. On a real note thanks Fox, see you in 2019 bud, ima watch this video tomorrow with a hangover and a pizza, good shit
Happy New Year! I only played the first game, but I'm certainly looking forward to the sequel in due time, and this video just made me more excited. Thank you :)
AshXXMayftw difficultt spikes in the first and the challenge missions were annoying af. Sequels difficulty was done perfectly, just too many challenge missions for no reason
i love you, foxcade. i just wanna see you grow and grow more, thank you for all this hard work, you inspire me to want to work with what i love, that is gaming
04:51 wow Kamiya looks suspiciously like an antagonist of a very popular video game in a fifth installment of the series released in April 4 2017. can you guess what game it is ? i remind you the stakes are set up to fucking nothing.
Another awesome vid. Happy New Year, and I hope your 2019 is kick ass. Now, hopefully you'll bless us with retrospectives on NINJA GAIDEN/BLACK and NINJA GAIDEN II, sometime in 2019.
I really like Bayonetta 2 and all, but just can't agree that the combat was an improvement from the first game. In terms of how it feels and looks, absolutely. The first game feels almost clunky by comparison. But in terms of mechanics, Bayonetta 2 took a lot of really bizarre steps back that really hurt it in the long term. Explaining the issues with Umbran Climax alone would cascade into touching on nearly every other aspect of the combat. I really really hope Bayo 3 can get the feeling and aesthetic of 2 with the mechanic depth of 1. That would be legendary material there. It's scary though because going further into Bayo 2 territory would kinda make me lose hope that the series is ever gonna reach its potential.
I think you missed one topic on both videos. The music of both games is absolutely fantastic and I think it adds a lot to how it feels to play the game.
The problem with Bayonetta 1's set pieces is that they are actually all very integral to the story ... if you read the journals. Now I admit that having this information in-game through journals is certainly better than needing to look online (*cough* Destiny) but that lack of story cutscenes explaining these things can make it very confusing. The coliseum is still a bit iffy as you can really only infer Bayonetta put the pieces together that Fortitudo is wandering around and the journal she read said that is where Fortitudo was worshipped. The highway sequence however is much more clear ... if you read the journals again. I don't know why games will leave vital information like this out of the cutscenes and require you to read optional journals. Well basically the highway segment was Bayonetta heading toward the island called Isla Del Sol where the Lumen Sage Balder is said to be. Also yes we learn the Lumen Sage is named Balder in the journals before we learn it in game.
Man, this video is amazing!, This guy puts everything I hate about Bayonetta 2 into words and actually makes really good points!, I definitely feel the same way about it
Bayonetta was so close on intergrating contextual cutscenes organically like Nero's buster arm. It just needed a few tweaks, like: 1) No button prompts (except at the start of the game for the tutorial only) 2) Don't force players to end boss fights with it 3) The megaton quicktime events. We don't have to mash a button or waggle the stick to be more immersed. We can just watch it, it would be less damaging to the controller. I would tweet this to Kamiya, but I know he will block me.
9:03 Yeah, normally I'm not a fan of companies buying exclusivity rights to a 3rd party franchise, but since there was no other way to fund Bayonetta 2, I can understand this.
Something I realized playing back Bayonetta 1 after Bayo 2 is how the combat is kinda more difficult in 1 than 2 and in my opinion the reason why Bayonetta 2 wasn't as powerful as the first was because in Bayonetta 1, you learn about Bayonetta and her past but in 2, you just learn about an random kid who probably not gonna be in Bayonetta 3. I mean he was important for his story but eh...
Great vid foxcade! For years I thought bayonetta was boring, but when I first tried the game it was when I was a kid and didn’t know what made a good game , and wasn’t used to a game without a white haired cool guy talk trash to a big ice dog demon, and slice rain so fast while fighting another dude with a sword. So bayo 1 was great. When I get the switch I hope to play bayo 2 and find some enjoyment in it like the first
Let’s just take second to notice that this game cane out when I was 7, my dad bought this the day it came out on Xbox 360, I played it that day and every day since. I Stan my queen bayonetta and everyone about her franchise, has changed me so much. There will never be a greater game ever invented
In a way, Bayo 2"s antagonist isn't as good as the first game's antagonist, but then you have to realize that both final bosses are basically the same person. This means that Loptr's second encounter with Bayonetta is in the 1st game. Bayo 1 introduces a lot of elements without explaining while Bayo 2 explains those elements without introducing new concepts. it's better than ass pulling obstacles and antagonists that many unplanned sequels do. One thing i liked about Bayo 2 is that the enemies she face seem to actually pose a threat while enemies from the first game had her literally unfazed after a fight. Clearly shows that while in fact she's extremely strong, there are people out there who can pose a serious threat to her. I hope Bayo 3 has Bayonetta combining witch powers with the Lumen powers considering how similar they are.
Platinum games has to be one of my favorite game developers, their games are just so amazing, especially bayonetta, with bayonetta 3 coming out soon this is a perfect video in my eyes.
I can't wait to see you talk about Bayonetta 3 later 💖 really hope you do, recently found your channel because of Bayonetta 1 and 2 and I like what I see!
Man I almost forgot this video had came out. Glad I came back to watch it......still salty we will probably never see Bayo2 on another system same with 3 but at least someone got to play it
Awe. I love Nintendo for keeping Bayonetta alive and giving Platinum games a free range of choices. I'll definitely buy this game from their e shop now.
Dmc is obviously the king of character action, but why can’t bayonetta be a queen? I feel like the 2 games series are the reason character action is a thing now, both have exceptional combat and absolutely ridiculous well, everything. I personally prefer the button combos rather than the motion combos. Yes, i like bayo more than dmc, but i also love dmc and i can only dream of a crossover game. Where bayo and dante kick ass together with planet breaking power
You’re analytical take on the character action genre is always informative and entertaining. You really should do a video on Ninja Gaiden Black. That game really doesn’t get enough attention
I feel like I'm in the strange camp of loving 1 but being indifferent to 2. 1 felt like a constant escalation of absurdity and fun, where as 2 started huge and never really reached that point again. I also missed having some of the characters round more frequently. The plot concept itself was never interesting to me either. We'd spent the entire last game focussing on Bayonetta's past, and then in 2 there's focus on her past yet again.
Balder having a different voice confused the hell out of me. If Liam o'brien wasnt available that's okay but Crispin Freeman doesn't sound like him at all. I know he is sort of possessed in Bayo 1 but that's not the reason he sounds so different right?
I also thought that Liam voiced Balder but the VA was actually Grant Albrecht. I'm guessing the voice he used was close to his natural voice so doing a young voice might have been difficult. So age is the main reason they switched VA's.
I think it was either from them wanting a voice to match his younger self, or perhaps they wanted to try and keep his identity a secret from the player. His original voice actor Grant Albrecht actually did voice him in the beginning of the game, and he has two separate voice actors in the Japanese dub of Bayo 2 as well, so actor availability wasn't the issue.
Platinum probably told you to get lost because they are busy. Relatively small studio got Bayonetta 3, Babylons Fall, World Of Demons, probably a Nier sequel and Scalebound (trust me) all at the same time
I will second this, with my paticular standout being the Lumen Sage fights. The Jeanne fights in Bayonetta 1 were good, like really good, but they often devolved into a degree of confusion due to the high speed and similarity in fighting styles. The Lumen Sage, contrasting Bayonetta, never gave me those problems and upping the spectacle with the Demon and Angel summons duking it out in the background was just a massive step up for me.
@@LittleMissZackyVee Bayonetta 1 design slaps but Bayo 2's dress is grace itself but the babys first experiment with scissors hair cut in the latter game is simultaneously ugly and cool at the same time
I don't want to insult you, but I honestly can't think about a single thing Bayo 2 did better than Bayo 1 besides ditching the stupid QTEs. I mean Bayo 2 is still great but it's pretty much like Bayo 1 but a bit worse
I would have prefered instead of removing the older weapons they would have pulled a shuraba and made all of the weapons post game options. I would love to use pillow talk along with rakshasa
Subbed! Awesome look at an awesome game. I hadn't thought about Bayo 2's struggle to escape the shadow of its predecessor as its changes improve upon the formula as to polish it to a mirror sheen, but you're not wrong about it. Here's hoping Platinum can really pull out the stops in Bayo 3 and wow us; It's definitely on my list of Switch titles to be purchased on day one.
Hoping Bayo 3 gets at least a release time frame if not comes out this year. Bayo 1 was 2009/10, Bayo 2 was 2014, Bayo 3 2019, 5 years between games is a long time. Not the 10 years I had to wait for DMC5, but still. Oh that's cool they did a similar live action filming for the characters like with Devil May Cry, it's pretty hilarious seeing these actors try and pull off these crazy stunts as best they can. I love it! :D I'd thought they'd only did it for the dancing, not the action pieces too. Regarding the blocking, enemies have blocked in DMC as well at least from the 3rd game but I wanna say 1 had blocking enemies too. While they aren't as numerous as in Bayo it still seems like a valid mechanic as long as when they block it doesn't reduce your style/points for the first hit they block, subsequent ones in their same blocking time should. eg if they block for 3 seconds at a time the first hit in that 3 seconds shouldn't reduce you're style but subsequent attacks they block should. The motorbike sequence is there as it's time to go vroom! If it wasn't it wouldn't have been there at that point, obviously :D
Bayonetta: "Mummy"
This poor woman has seen her mother and father die HOW MANY TIMES NOW?!
In lore or off
Twice for Rosa, zero for Balder.
I think she secretly likes being a mom
and its kind adorable
And now it’s her turn! Sorry Viola
@@SaberRexZealot It's a family tradition, like the Skywalkers losing a hand.
"Everything worthwhile has been ported to the switch in one form or another" Clutches copy of Wonderful 101. Someday, someday.
Don't forget windwaker hd...
*sigh*
also pikmin
Same, but with Xenoblade Chronicles X
Same with Super Mario 3D World
Splatoon
Despite disagreeing the "exclusivity" policy on principal level & the very fact that most of Japanese publishers denied Bayo 2 proposal for further funding & publishing, I applaud Nintendo for taking the right decision & saw a critical opportunity with Bayonetta franchise. Now, Bayonetta became an even bigger name & rising its popularity within Nintendo fandom especially with her inclusion as roster in SSB games.
This is why I would predict Bayonetta 3 would get an even bigger sales numbers & popularity if the game turn out to be even just as good as previous titles.
I didn't get a Wii U to play Bayo 2, but I might get a Switch for it. I'm just really glad that Nintendo saved the franchise. I really loved Bayonetta as soon as I saw it first being announced. I thought she was a badass character with a lot of promise and the first game didn't disappoint. Hopefully, Bayonetta 3 will be just as awesome.
What I like even more is them going this link outfit is not bayonetta enough make it sexier
Exclusives are honestly, unfortunately, the last place where you're still going to get long single player games with no forced online or microtransactions. Sony and Nintendo basically view their exclusives as console sellers. They don't care if they never make their money back on them. So honestly, exclusives, despite people's good reasons to dislike them, may actually be the best thing for gamers who love single player.
The rights is still belongs to Sega, and they might bring Bayonetta 3 back onto the multiplatform stage. (Including Nintendo)
Except Nintendo has the publishing rights for 2 and likely 3, so despite Sega owning the name Bayonetta, the cant publish it onto other platforms without Nintendos say so, which is extremely unlikely.
18:30 Awww yes, I do love her M.I.L.F look in this game
Mature
Intimidating
Luxurious
Fierce
This is so subtle and so brilliant! Good one, Fox! ;)
I didn't even notice until now 😂
I laughed so hard i fucking hate it
I love it 😉
Kakyoins type
Oh my GOD FOX N O
One of the good things about this series is how you can appreciate different things in both Bayo games; for example, I like the darker atmosphere and more gothic feel of the first game, while Bayo 2 is so inviting with its bright colors, almost like a playable birthday party! Anyway, thank you for your videos Foxcade. God bless you. :)
Well. He made a joke about Bayonetta 3. That means, Bayonetta 3 news in the next 2 weeks confirmed, right?
Hey, there's always a Nintendo Direct in January!
Hopefully.
Damn well better be considering its been a year of nothing since last year's TGA, though there's always the chance Platinum are lying low as not to be overshadowed by long awaited Devil May Cry 5.
Link please. I wanna see.
Most likely E3
I think Jeanne's design in one was supposed to make her look austere and intimidating rather than fun and sexy. They did a good job at that and I think she also looked very fashionable. Meanwhile her attractive redesign in 2 makes sense now that she's a full on ally and counterpart to funtimes Bayonetta.
Yeah, I remember hearing that Nintendo were the ones asking for the alternate costumes to be made a bit more risque than they were originally designed.
Pretty sure they wouldn't have approached Platinum in the first place if they had any intention of changing who Bayonetta's character is. She's toned down a bit in Smash, but that game they want to keep the T rating.
Mr. Foxcade there are so many things you could cover, Dead Space, God of War (the old ones), and the modern Ninja Gaidens. Well at least those are my ideas. I would love to say that I have seen all your videos, however I haven't yet played every game that you've done a video on. I am a huge fan though, and yours is a channel that I hold in high regard, and where I consider every video to be time well spent.
He should cover both the new and old god of war games, the new game might be a drastic departure but it shouldn't be counted off just because it's different. It still shares many elements as that other games in genre. Even if other games do it better.
@@SushiGhost97 You're defending a juggernaut.
@@SushiGhost97 I still haven't played the new one, that's why I didn't mention it. But I am honestly really looking forward to playing it, so no hate from me.
@@user-fy3oy4vo9m there's a fair amount of critical thinking against the New design given the changes of combat. I would say it's accurate but doesn't make it a bad game.
@@tequilawhiskey yes, a foward air amount, indeed.
But I also think there's enough positive praise and critical thought out there towards the thing.
Honestly, I know many don't like it, but I love the clock-framing this game does. To me it fits the theme of time is running out, every second bayonetta is breathing, she is running out of time to save Jean. Not only for that reason, it sets up some really nice compositions and it doesn't make the viewer bored by staring at the same scene over and over. Having them shift their view to three points (most of the time) ends up being a very different style of story telling I love.
I like it too. Make everything straight to the point (even with those lengthy dialogues) along with different Perspectives from many involved characters make it for me, and I would less likely to skip cut scenes,too.
Animated cut scenes are definitely superior, but with the way of talking in Bayonetta, the clock power point makes it less cringey for me, 😅and it's more interesting as well as satisfied aesthetic creative that actually trademarks the franchise.
I love the Bayonetta series as much as I love the Devil May Cry series. Character Action is a thing. Happy New Year.
A new year and a new Foxcade video to enjoy!
Cheers!
Foxcade:
Bayonetta: Devil's Successor
Bayonetta 2: The Second Climax
If a 3rd game comes out will he call it Bayonetta 3: The Threesome?
I feel like Bayonetta 1 handled witch time much better. In Bayonetta 1, witch time wasn’t essential, it was an option. Take a look at the NSIF in 1 compared to 2. Those who had the skill played that difficulty for the challenge of no witch time, but in 2, witch time became one of the only ways to pure platinum NSIF.
Happy New Year Mr. Foxcade!
I've put over 300 hours into this. I have it on the switch now and LOVE having it on the go!!! A masterpiece :)
Thank you for making this oh my god how I love these damn games. I just unlocked bayo in smash yesterday and I'm not gonna lie I did a little happy dance.
Foxcade: Kept you waiting huh?
18:25 Foxcade be thinking of Bayonetta a little extra during writing
Keep doing what you're doing, the way I see it you're on the same level as Supereyepatchwolf and Supperbutterbuns with the quality of your content. The subs will come.
I never had a problem understanding the story of either games, granted I wasn't reading all the journals or anything, but I easily understood the story of the first one, and after recently getting a switch, I understood the second one as well
Yeah it's really not that complicated. I guess its a little high concept? But it all just boils down to a time loop
Everyone:"Bayonetta 2"
Me, an intellectual:"Bayonettwo"
A fantastic video! Bayonetta and Bayonetta 2 are my favourite games of all time. And this video wonderfully covers everything there is to cover about Bayonetta 2.
New Foxcade for the new year??
LESSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I love listening to you talk about Bayonetta while showing gameplay of the game and adding the music in the background its so relaxing :)
I think overall, while I like the greater weapon variety (chainsaws and scythes were the only things I wanted as main weapons and I got both plus more), the better color palette, less cheap gameplay moments such as the QTE's and some genuinely amazing story beats...I still like bayo 1 more. Bayo 2 is good, but I feel like the gimping of some of the more nuanced mechanics like enemy step (got limited to only one instead of being able to do it as much as you want), the over reliance on witch time for enemies and is pretty much necessary just to hit bosses, and the overall easier difficulty bring the game down in my eyes.
What you said at the end about bayo 2 not being as big of a shock as bayo 1 might actually be why bayo 3 is taking so long really. The devs probably want to make the next game stand out more considering how little of an impact the second game made. Hopefully, bayo 3 can manage to take the best from 1 and 2 along with some new mechanical tweaks and changes to the system to make it feel fresh again.
Happy New Year to you by the way and thanks for all these years of great content you've provided us.
Also considering DMC5 is coming out very soon, it would be hard to ignore that people are going to critique and compare the two.
@@XC11301991 can't wait for those videos. Character action Fans have an amazing time right now having both DMC5 and Bayo3 coming out in possible the same year.
I think "over reliance on witch time" is an understatement, some enemies don't even have a wind-up animation (or a very short one) before they attack, forcing you to dodge randomly, a good example of this are the Balder bosses or that one enemy that has the insta-kill attack that makes you a child.
What's really sad is that the gameplay is the only thing keeping this game from being as amazing as the first one, which is the most crucial part in an action game of this style, I just hope that we get to see the Bayo 1 combat polish in 3 :)
Weird, i feel bayonetta 2 is better in almost every way than the first. The first felt cheap, rather than actually hard. The 2nd is only easier because it doesn't have a constant onslaught of cheap enemies.
@@snmcfadden Enemies in the first game aren't cheap but the QTE's and instant kill sections can definitely feel that way since a lot of them just come out of the blue along with enemies even attacking out of cutscenes. That, however, stops mattering on repeat playthroughs since you know when those things are coming and despite those the enemies themselves are still hard on their own merits.
What exactly did you find cheap about them by the way outside of the things I mentioned?
EXCELLENT Retrospect! Showed some Development Footage I had NEVER seen before!! :-D
You are now blocked on Twitter by Hideki Kamiya
I take it that Foxcade didn't tweet in Japanese? Kamiya made it clear that he will block anyone not tweeting in Japanese.
No, it's that I asked him something he has been asked a bunch before. He regularly responds to English tweets, in English, so its nothing much to do with not being Japanese.
That too but I've also seen a tweet of his that says that I claimed earlier. That was a while ago, so maybe that's changed. Kamiya may be brilliant but from what I gathered from stories about him, he comes off as an arrogant prick.
@@KillRei Kamiya is actually a really nice dude. Nick Robinson has this really good video about him and his blocking habits
@Childish Memebino Interesting, may you be able to share the link to the aforementioned video. Thanks for clarifying.
Really enjoyed this video, can't wait for you to do one on Bayo 3
The salt from the bayo 2 announcement was Beautiful. And the same with Bayonetta 3
I love these retrospective of yours, please keep it up
i adore Bayo1 and Bayo2, so fast, so fabolous, and that soundtrack, i hope Bayo3 is as insane as the first 2.
End 2018 or start 2019 with Bayonetta 2. Either way it’s great
I never got how people couldn't follow Bayo 1's story. I didn't have such a hard time following.
Sure it was moment that head tilting but everything that was said, was pretty much used and developed on so i don't get how people though it confusing or all over the place.
In fact, location was the thing that seemed all over the place not the story itself
Honestly the one moment that I did not understood was the time travel thing. So Bayonetta has brought back Cereza to the past and becuse of here influence Cereza does not get stapped in the heart and put to sleep fore 500 hundret years. She and Jeanne ateam up against the Angels. That makes me queston how the events of the first game could even took place. That are some massive changes yet Bayonetta returns to a completly unchanged present with the only difference being that the left eye awoke within in here.
@@sofaris576 Split timelines. The awakening of the eyes happens across all timelines, so Cereza awakening due to not being sealed in the other timeline allowed her to in the main one. That's how I figured, at least.
Sofaris it’s a time loop or something
In the story one thing I would have liked to see more is Bayonetta being a little more maternal. To get to see that new side of her. I actually really enjoy the interactions in the beginning as she warms up to him and shares her experiences. I really want to see some more tender and caring of her. That she is not devoid of the normal female emotions.
Of course I'm not asking for her to lose her sharp tongue, bold confidence or fun loving attitude. But just that she is more capable of other emotions as well.
I adore your content. very cool retrospective on what I consider a hallmark game of the genre
This was a great video about Bayonetta, you went over things that many people overlook. She deserves just as much as attention as devil may cry!
9:30
I also think it's pretty much to demand Nintendo would help pay for games on other consoles. If Nintendo makes an investment, especially a big one like Bayonetta 2 then they want to see some reward for it.
Actually, that's amazing that you made this video in time before the new year, when most youtubers wanted to but couldn't make it.
good job and happy new year.
Amazing video man. As a person who worships Bayo I love everything you included in this video!
Can't wait for the video about Bayonetta 3.
It is always interesting watching long, detailed review like this, but you're knowledge of both games mechanics suffers greatly neglecting the maximum difficulty - Non Stop Climax. As with all action games simylar in that veine, maximum difficulty is the main source of challenge and replayability, and this is when shortcomings of the sequel keep popin out. I think my main gripe with the Bayo 2 is overall design phisosophy. Dev team was trying to balance Bayonetta arsenal and enemy for some reason, when Bayo 1 had already had perfect balance of risk and reward. My question is why? Enemies already can block, dodge, use variety of mellee or range weapon and very fast on NSC. You can kill them very fast, and so can enemies. Instead they went with the motto "where could we nerf bayo even more". For example in Bayo 1, enemies can block your attack, but no with 100% chance. They can't block it from the back, only if enemy has armour like Fairness (Which you can destroy). But in Bayo 2 they Block you in almost 9/10 ratio (even from the back) unless you punch them in the witch time.And Witch time duration is heavily shortened. Overall Bayo output power is hightly lowered, rendered many attacks like Stiletto and breakdance nearly useless, with exeption of Low-tier enemies.Wicked Weaves is now means nothing, they barely affect gameplay, when in Bayo 1 it was the main instrument to create space for you to combo and being defencivly-offensive (with using dodge offset). Witch time now is only your main tool, which forces you into narrow mindset of "dodge,attack,dodge, attack", limiting your gameplay freedom and creativity, when the first game its was the way to ease players not familiar with this type of fast-action games (like myself) into mechanics. Umban Climax have give you little to no tacital utiility unlike Devil Trigger, and works more like Free Hit Masing Marathon.There's so many more questionable design choices, like very strict timers on the versus ranks, and enemies without proper visual-cues and with the same audio-cues etc. It is not bad game by any means, even good i say, but miss Bayo 1 top-notch polish when comes to creating challenging and at the same time fair gameplay. For me its mostly not about difficulty, these changes heavily affect replayabillity and fun i got from the game. Which raises the question - do delevopers even realise what they create and what been so good about Bayo 1, carelessly throw all that things that works perferctly for sequel into the garbage can?I think that "Nerf everything" mindset is not good fit for theese type of games.
One of my bittersweet memories with bayo 2 compared to bayo 1 was that you don’t get points against you for using items so it was so easy to pure platinum bayo 2 if you stockpile enough invincibility items throughout the main game. I feel dirty having pure platinum on climax difficulty on it. Bayo 1 doesn’t hold its punches on that difficulty plus no items I could never pure platinum lol
Cheers for using my footage I can’t use the meme anymore the cheque is in.
On a real note thanks Fox, see you in 2019 bud, ima watch this video tomorrow with a hangover and a pizza, good shit
Happy new year to you too Millz!
Yay bayonetta 2
Happy New Year! I only played the first game, but I'm certainly looking forward to the sequel in due time, and this video just made me more excited. Thank you :)
Dude I literally just picked up Bayonetta 1 and 2 last week And beat it today. What are the odds!
Good news, the thrid game has an official release date and lots more info. Release date: My birthday (of all things) October 28
The only casualty of Bayonetta 2's exclusivity was the Joy enemies.
A heavy loss indeed.
Dude this video is gonna make your channel, that's my guess.
Great work btw.
Literally agreed with everything you said about Bayo 2 here.
hilarious fact:
use Umbra climax in bayonetta's "old(old hairstyle)" costume
she goes bald
i just finished bayo 2 yesterday. your timing is the best.
Still prefer the second over the first, mostly because of its gameplay improvements and lack of difficulty spikes.
AshXXMayftw difficultt spikes in the first and the challenge missions were annoying af. Sequels difficulty was done perfectly, just too many challenge missions for no reason
Gracious and Glorious are just, no
@@neonexus9660 gracious and glorious just beat my ass repeatedly when I first saw them
@@neonexus9660 😂
i love you, foxcade. i just wanna see you grow and grow more, thank you for all this hard work, you inspire me to want to work with what i love, that is gaming
04:51 wow Kamiya looks suspiciously like an antagonist of a very popular video game in a fifth installment of the series released in April 4 2017.
can you guess what game it is ?
i remind you the stakes are set up to fucking nothing.
Looks like someone who's gonna steer Japan in the right direction🤔
Yeah that guy got a shiny head
I thought the same thing.
Another awesome vid. Happy New Year, and I hope your 2019 is kick ass. Now, hopefully you'll bless us with retrospectives on NINJA GAIDEN/BLACK and NINJA GAIDEN II, sometime in 2019.
Great video Fox as always!
I really like Bayonetta 2 and all, but just can't agree that the combat was an improvement from the first game. In terms of how it feels and looks, absolutely. The first game feels almost clunky by comparison. But in terms of mechanics, Bayonetta 2 took a lot of really bizarre steps back that really hurt it in the long term. Explaining the issues with Umbran Climax alone would cascade into touching on nearly every other aspect of the combat. I really really hope Bayo 3 can get the feeling and aesthetic of 2 with the mechanic depth of 1. That would be legendary material there. It's scary though because going further into Bayo 2 territory would kinda make me lose hope that the series is ever gonna reach its potential.
flutterface bayo 2 was better. Just accept it. Bayo 1 felt like an overly-convoluted puzzle in comparison, and I love Bayo 1
THANK YOU FOR THIS
But really "Let's dance, boys!"
I think you missed one topic on both videos. The music of both games is absolutely fantastic and I think it adds a lot to how it feels to play the game.
This is an excellent, highly-impressive retrospective. Thanks so much! *two thumbs up*
That good way to start new year, almost hour of sassy brithish fox person speaking about slasher.
Stylish new year everbody!
Wish this game was on multiple platforms.
it is, Wii U and Switch
The problem with Bayonetta 1's set pieces is that they are actually all very integral to the story ... if you read the journals. Now I admit that having this information in-game through journals is certainly better than needing to look online (*cough* Destiny) but that lack of story cutscenes explaining these things can make it very confusing. The coliseum is still a bit iffy as you can really only infer Bayonetta put the pieces together that Fortitudo is wandering around and the journal she read said that is where Fortitudo was worshipped. The highway sequence however is much more clear ... if you read the journals again. I don't know why games will leave vital information like this out of the cutscenes and require you to read optional journals. Well basically the highway segment was Bayonetta heading toward the island called Isla Del Sol where the Lumen Sage Balder is said to be. Also yes we learn the Lumen Sage is named Balder in the journals before we learn it in game.
Man, this video is amazing!, This guy puts everything I hate about Bayonetta 2 into words and actually makes really good points!, I definitely feel the same way about it
5:32 even though my vision is not impaired, i need those glasses!
Genuinely great video, really great start to the new year. Keep it up man :)
Bayonetta was so close on intergrating contextual cutscenes organically like Nero's buster arm. It just needed a few tweaks, like:
1) No button prompts (except at the start of the game for the tutorial only)
2) Don't force players to end boss fights with it
3) The megaton quicktime events. We don't have to mash a button or waggle the stick to be more immersed. We can just watch it, it would be less damaging to the controller.
I would tweet this to Kamiya, but I know he will block me.
Thx 4 the input. Happy New Year Fox!!!! Can’t wait for Bayonetta 3!!!
9:03 Yeah, normally I'm not a fan of companies buying exclusivity rights to a 3rd party franchise, but since there was no other way to fund Bayonetta 2, I can understand this.
Something I realized playing back Bayonetta 1 after Bayo 2 is how the combat is kinda more difficult in 1 than 2 and in my opinion the reason why Bayonetta 2 wasn't as powerful as the first was because in Bayonetta 1, you learn about Bayonetta and her past but in 2, you just learn about an random kid who probably not gonna be in Bayonetta 3. I mean he was important for his story but eh...
Yo what the fuck, i have not gotten any notification from you in 4 MONTHS and im subbed and i am subscribed and have post notifacations on
Great vid foxcade! For years I thought bayonetta was boring, but when I first tried the game it was when I was a kid and didn’t know what made a good game , and wasn’t used to a game without a white haired cool guy talk trash to a big ice dog demon, and slice rain so fast while fighting another dude with a sword. So bayo 1 was great. When I get the switch I hope to play bayo 2 and find some enjoyment in it like the first
Let’s just take second to notice that this game cane out when I was 7, my dad bought this the day it came out on Xbox 360, I played it that day and every day since. I Stan my queen bayonetta and everyone about her franchise, has changed me so much. There will never be a greater game ever invented
Cringe
Same. It was a cultural reset to me.
Bruhhh
I was playing cod 4 since age 8, but HOLY SHIT, 😂
If I had kids, I’d do COD, but I don’t think I could gift my kid this game. 😅
my biggest complain of this game is the fact that they let you play with rodan only for him to be painfully low and as fragile as a ice statue
Another great video. Thanks
Love the joke made at 18:30, it has a special place in my brain now.
In a way, Bayo 2"s antagonist isn't as good as the first game's antagonist, but then you have to realize that both final bosses are basically the same person. This means that Loptr's second encounter with Bayonetta is in the 1st game. Bayo 1 introduces a lot of elements without explaining while Bayo 2 explains those elements without introducing new concepts. it's better than ass pulling obstacles and antagonists that many unplanned sequels do. One thing i liked about Bayo 2 is that the enemies she face seem to actually pose a threat while enemies from the first game had her literally unfazed after a fight. Clearly shows that while in fact she's extremely strong, there are people out there who can pose a serious threat to her. I hope Bayo 3 has Bayonetta combining witch powers with the Lumen powers considering how similar they are.
18:30 you didn't make that subtle at all did ya?
HumanSnake milf Hahahahah (but she isn’t a mom lol)
@@wilburforce8046 pretty sure it's a joke refferencing the first game where young Cereza called her mommy.
@WiburForce Despite what it stands for, it doesn't have to be a mother. It's just the female in question has to look & feel maternal.
HumanSnake Except it’s not
hopefully Bayonetta's parents can be saved
Yes! Very stylish Foxcade,
Very Nice! ;)
Also Happy New Year Everyone!
Platinum games has to be one of my favorite game developers, their games are just so amazing, especially bayonetta, with bayonetta 3 coming out soon this is a perfect video in my eyes.
"with bayonetta 3 coming out soon"
@@marrowyoutube yep :)
I'm surprised you still have hope :(
@@marrowyoutube i love your profile pic
1:34 where is that leg going, Jupiter?
I can't wait to see you talk about Bayonetta 3 later 💖 really hope you do, recently found your channel because of Bayonetta 1 and 2 and I like what I see!
Happy New Year Fox, thanks for the video
Man I almost forgot this video had came out. Glad I came back to watch it......still salty we will probably never see Bayo2 on another system same with 3 but at least someone got to play it
Awe. I love Nintendo for keeping Bayonetta alive and giving Platinum games a free range of choices.
I'll definitely buy this game from their e shop now.
Dmc is obviously the king of character action, but why can’t bayonetta be a queen? I feel like the 2 games series are the reason character action is a thing now, both have exceptional combat and absolutely ridiculous well, everything. I personally prefer the button combos rather than the motion combos. Yes, i like bayo more than dmc, but i also love dmc and i can only dream of a crossover game. Where bayo and dante kick ass together with planet breaking power
I think I'm a bit in love with you Foxcade
You’re analytical take on the character action genre is always informative and entertaining. You really should do a video on Ninja Gaiden Black. That game really doesn’t get enough attention
I feel like I'm in the strange camp of loving 1 but being indifferent to 2. 1 felt like a constant escalation of absurdity and fun, where as 2 started huge and never really reached that point again. I also missed having some of the characters round more frequently.
The plot concept itself was never interesting to me either. We'd spent the entire last game focussing on Bayonetta's past, and then in 2 there's focus on her past yet again.
Balder having a different voice confused the hell out of me.
If Liam o'brien wasnt available that's okay but Crispin Freeman doesn't sound like him at all.
I know he is sort of possessed in Bayo 1 but that's not the reason he sounds so different right?
I also thought that Liam voiced Balder but the VA was actually Grant Albrecht. I'm guessing the voice he used was close to his natural voice so doing a young voice might have been difficult. So age is the main reason they switched VA's.
I think it was either from them wanting a voice to match his younger self, or perhaps they wanted to try and keep his identity a secret from the player. His original voice actor Grant Albrecht actually did voice him in the beginning of the game, and he has two separate voice actors in the Japanese dub of Bayo 2 as well, so actor availability wasn't the issue.
Bayo 3 is going to sell a lot of switches. More than I think people realize.
Platinum probably told you to get lost because they are busy. Relatively small studio got Bayonetta 3, Babylons Fall, World Of Demons, probably a Nier sequel and Scalebound (trust me) all at the same time
I know I'll get shit for this, but I can't help but prefer the second game. Yes, some mechanics are a step down, but *everything* else is top notch.
I will second this, with my paticular standout being the Lumen Sage fights. The Jeanne fights in Bayonetta 1 were good, like really good, but they often devolved into a degree of confusion due to the high speed and similarity in fighting styles.
The Lumen Sage, contrasting Bayonetta, never gave me those problems and upping the spectacle with the Demon and Angel summons duking it out in the background was just a massive step up for me.
@@TheTriforceDragon I'll be honest, I never liked Jeanne as a boss. She was just a Bayonetta reskin, Vergil or Genshin she is not.
I agree. (But I prefer bayos design in 1 over 2 just a smidge)
@@LittleMissZackyVee Bayonetta 1 design slaps but Bayo 2's dress is grace itself but the babys first experiment with scissors hair cut in the latter game is simultaneously ugly and cool at the same time
I don't want to insult you, but I honestly can't think about a single thing Bayo 2 did better than Bayo 1 besides ditching the stupid QTEs. I mean Bayo 2 is still great but it's pretty much like Bayo 1 but a bit worse
I would have prefered instead of removing the older weapons they would have pulled a shuraba and made all of the weapons post game options. I would love to use pillow talk along with rakshasa
Subbed! Awesome look at an awesome game. I hadn't thought about Bayo 2's struggle to escape the shadow of its predecessor as its changes improve upon the formula as to polish it to a mirror sheen, but you're not wrong about it. Here's hoping Platinum can really pull out the stops in Bayo 3 and wow us; It's definitely on my list of Switch titles to be purchased on day one.
Hoping Bayo 3 gets at least a release time frame if not comes out this year. Bayo 1 was 2009/10, Bayo 2 was 2014, Bayo 3 2019, 5 years between games is a long time. Not the 10 years I had to wait for DMC5, but still.
Oh that's cool they did a similar live action filming for the characters like with Devil May Cry, it's pretty hilarious seeing these actors try and pull off these crazy stunts as best they can. I love it! :D I'd thought they'd only did it for the dancing, not the action pieces too.
Regarding the blocking, enemies have blocked in DMC as well at least from the 3rd game but I wanna say 1 had blocking enemies too. While they aren't as numerous as in Bayo it still seems like a valid mechanic as long as when they block it doesn't reduce your style/points for the first hit they block, subsequent ones in their same blocking time should. eg if they block for 3 seconds at a time the first hit in that 3 seconds shouldn't reduce you're style but subsequent attacks they block should.
The motorbike sequence is there as it's time to go vroom! If it wasn't it wouldn't have been there at that point, obviously :D