WOTM: An All-Loving God Who Sends People To Hell, Part II
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- Part II takes a deep dive into the idea of "holiness" and how it suffocates human decency.
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HEALTH UPDATE: Feeling almost normal again. Just need to get back in shape after being down for three months. Apparently, my anemia was caused by too much chemo (which I take every day for a blood condition - Essential Thrombocythemia). My doctor was trying to get my platelets down within normal range and pushed the chemo a bit too far. At least, that's what it looks like for now. Still need to get my various slipped disks taken care of (from a car accident last year), but my insurance is making that a pain in the ass. #universalhealthcareforall
Thanks so much to all of you who wished me well and threw some empathy my way. It really did help boost my spirits - and at a really bad time when I needed it most. Blessings and indulgences for everyone!!!
Thank you for fighting against evil and I hope your health continues to get better.
Glad to know you're doing better, and thanks so much for the blessings and indulgences! I've been feeling the need lately to be indulged.
Take care. Everything takes longer at our age without what you're dealing with. We all love you, Brian, even if we never, ever, pray 🛐 for you. ❤💚💛💙💜 🤗😙
@@aubreyleonae4108 I much prefer people thinking for me. It’s mutually beneficial!
Wishing you all the best Brian and hope you recover as quickly as possible.
Thank you for doing a great thing for humanity. Magical thinking and superstitious delusions need to be thrown in the bin.
Winger - "God is incomprehensible, now listen while I tell you all about him."
There is a MAJOR difference between holiness and assholiness.
LOL!!!
Holiest of Holies
*assholiest of the assholie?
Buttholio
you're being asinine.
Definitionally, you are correct. In practice, the difference is negligible.
3:12 "If I disagree with God, I just gotta be wrong somewhere."
You've almost got it, Mike. Trouble is there are places you won't look. Like, what if your god is just a fictional character in a book written by ancient barbarians. Where you seem to be wrong is in having been convinced that those people wrote on behalf of any god. But you just won't look THERE.
Quantum physics proves God, in the following way:
At the deepest level of the sub-atomic, the laws of physics break down, and thought influences matter. It is now known that at the ultimate level, ALL is thought. The Holy Bible says the same, since God is the Divine Mind. Non-Biblical sources also say this, as "The Sophia of Jesus Christ", and "The Gospel of Thomas" both identify God as the Divine Mind. Also, "The Divine Pymander of Hermes" is a book which Moses surely would have learned from in the Egyptian mystery school, and it clearly identifies God as Divine Mind. HOW ELSE can this perfectly fine-tuned universe exist, with all of us conscious living things? If you examine the TRUTH of it all, the Mind is for a man like the flower at the top of the stalk. The whole plant exists to bring forth that flower, and so it is with men and animals, the whole body exists to bring forth that mind to govern it. According to science, neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed, but only changed. Is your conscious mind matter or energy? In either case, it persists forever in one form or another. Biophotonics is a relatively new field of science, but it has shown clearly that DNA produces light, and that every cell of every living body is glowing just below our visual threshold. When anything dies, this light leaves the body but stays near it for up to 30 days, keeping all the information of the DNA in a holographic form. This is real science, proven in laboratory experiments. There are many books on the subject of Biophotonics, and I think it's a great place to look for the concept of the "soul".
Anyway, while it's possible to prove something exists, it is impossible to prove something does not exist. According to quantum physics, everything that can exist does exist somewhere, and since literally anything at all is possible, there absolutely MUST be a God who is outside space-time, a transcendent first cause of everything, a source of atomic motion and the origin of the universe(s).
Mike missed his calling as a yes-man in the SS who was "just following orders"
He’d make a great Nazi. I’m not surprised that almost all of them were Christians. 2,000 years of Christian antisemitism made the holocaust an inevitability!
@misterdeity You know, in hindsight christian antisemitism makes no sense. If the jews didn't hand jesus to the romans they would have their golden ticket to salvation. If I was christisn, I'd be thanking them! And wasn't jesus like "don't hold it against them, they don't know what they are doing"?
@@AssassinoJake whoa there, be careful not to spill any of that critical thinking on the holy book! You might ruin it 😹
Honestly, after his conversation with Alex O'Connor I'm 100% convinced that so would Low Bar Bill.
They want everyone to suffer. Always have and will. It's a sadomasochistic relationship! Lovely Brian. 👍🏿💙💙💙🥰✌🏻
i think every religist believe that heaven is going to be just them and god and no one else, i've yet to meet a religist in the west who didn't think all other religists had it wrong or weren't true "__________" fill in the blank.
God just cannot be happy if he can't constantly gloat over the torture of 99% of the living creatures he created for that particular purpose. Like a good heavenly father. Ya know what I mean ? 😉😆
*The Bible :* _"Lean not on your own understanding & trust in the lord with all your heart"._
*Translation :* _Stay ignorant & trust in the men, that "claim" to speak for God._
That was one of the most brilliant summaries of god’s absurdities, and the absurdities of believers, that I’ve ever heard. You’ve outdone yourself, @misterdeity!
Can’t wait until this one is public, so I can share it.
Going public on Wednesday evening (PDT). Part I is going live in just a few minutes. Thanks for the kind words and encouragement!
@@misterdeity i don't understand how you get better at this, but, you do.
Glad you're feeling better, Mr. D.
I was… until they upped the dosage on my chemo again. D’oh!!! Worst birthday ever! D’oh!!!
@@misterdeity Yikes! Sorry to hear that. I lost my leg the day before my birthday 5 years ago, so I kind of get it. Feel better soon!
So the people sucking up to God praise him and call all of his decisions good and his judgments just? Can't imagine why they'd do that! Also can't imagine why I should care about their opinions. I'm sure Kim Jong Un's best friends all think he's a swell guy with really good judgment too.
Imagine you climb up a hill and see a giant pile of rubble, and there's a guy sitting on top of the rubble. You ask him "what is this?" And he says "this is my house." You question "how is this a house? It's just a pile of rubble." And he tells you "it was built by a master mason! It cost me a fortune to commission it." You ask "how do you know the person who built it was a master mason?" And he says "why, because he said so! Sure, the house did collapse the moment my family and I entered and crushed them to death under the rubble, but since the guy who built it said he was a master mason, this house MUST actually be perfectly safe and it would be foolish of me to ever think otherwise!"
Shhhhh... You're stealing my thunder. I have a follow-up coming out next month talking about the rubble. But... well said!
“You have to wait” Huh?!? You’d think God would be pretty straightforward instead of beating around the burning bush.
You know god and beating off the baddies..... 😉🤣
@@aubreyleonae4108second coming is not what you think lol 😂
It's not like accepting God's holiness is time-sensitive or a matter of eternal life and death or anything... no rush...
@@pesilaratnayake162 He is not holy he is a clown 🤡
@@NAYR8 Eh, I'd say he's wholly. Wholly awful.
There is another story about a master craftsman, a tailor, that fits this situation better. It’s about a king and his new clothing that everyone raves about, until a child points out the king is naked.
A much better moral about following a crowd and not questioning things that are obviously false.
If I had a penny for every time believers used "Mysterious Ways" however it's phrased, I'd have quite a lot of money.
You should give that money to the church; as I understand it, God is broke and needs cash. I guess being mysterious is expensive.
@@InigoMontoya- So expensive!!!
When a person gets religion, critical thinking goes out the window. As we said in Church, "Lean not on your own understanding, but trust in the Lord with all thine heart."' Religions, like cults, discourage us from thinking and encourage faith in the doctrines and dogmas of the religion. All religions strike out against reasoning, unless of course, it leads you to conclude that the religious text is correct. That's the one bit of reasoning they encourage.
don't judge the judge...
isn't that how we got Gimme Gimme Gimme Thomas and Have a Bump Stock Alito?
Convenient that God's plan so closely aligns whith the sociopolitical goals of the rich, powerful, abusive, sociopathic and seemingly not nice people. All we need to do is know our place and trust that it's in the interest of a truly cosmic good we have no way to verify.
I like the god that I have imagined, it thinks just like me.
I hate it when I hear excusegists say "you think you can judge god" when they literally make a judgement of God by saying that "he's good"
Might as well be saying "don't question us, our position can't stand up to scrutiny".
Those who claim that we aren't to question "god" are those who want their power to not be challenged.
They are not to be trusted, and are the ones who should be scrutinised the closest.
It's not "God" we are questioning, it's those who pretended to speak on behalf of gods.
Great points!!!
@@misterdeity Thank you. Great videos (with great points, too).
The adage, “God doesn’t send people to Hell; they send themselves,” sets the tone for a culture of victim blaming. “She shouldn’t have dressed like that.” “They shouldn’t have been in that area.” “They should’ve known better.” All these remove responsibility from the perpetrators, as if it is in their unchangeable nature, and make the victim culpable for their own misfortune.
The more accurate adage would be, “Be careful, God is a wicked, evil monster who has set an inescapable trap for humanity, and will gleefully torture you for eternity for not telling him you love him- cuz he loves you enough to set the trap.”
There's a video about the Darwin Awards where a couple sneaks into a waterpark to use the water slide. Except that the park put in metal gates that they slam into. There's footage of them on a talk show in wheelchairs with casts... saying it's the water park's fault for making it easy for them to get in!
"The adage, “God doesn’t send people to Hell; they send themselves,” sets the tone for a culture of victim blaming. "
If you check the comments for the other part of this one part series, you will see they can't explain what are the wrong choices I am making to send myself to hell. It's not even a case of "they shouldn't have been in that area," it's .... I don't know what.
"You choose to go to hell."
"Oh really? What choices am I making that I could differently to avoid going to hell?"
"I don't know, but everyone's a sinner, and that means you, too"
How can I avoid sending myself to hell if I don't know what I am doing to send myself there in the first place?
Of course, the real answer is, "You don't believe in God"
IOW, it's all a big song and dance to avoid admitting that the person thinks I should go to an eternity in hell because I don't believe in God. That's what it is all about in the end.
Your God is indeed an evil being, I cannot imagine having such a base and low understanding of transcendent things. God is only good, and the world is only evil. Men are only evil, and not good. Therefore, how can you understand "good" when you have never truly seen or known it?
God doesn't send people to hell, He gives Free Will, and if you choose to stay separate from Him, God is not a cosmic rapist who will force His love on you, He will simply separate Himself from you. With that separation goes Goodness, Mercy, Love, Happiness, Comfort, Peace, and all other "good" things of which He is the source. The misery and eternal sadness you feel afterward is the natural result of your own decision. Blame God more, surely that's the answer...
At least Mike admits he has no expertise on morality, with that "master mason" analogy. I think we can all agree with him there.
Mike Winger is just Mike Whinging it.
More like wing-nut
the insanity of apologists never ceases to disappoint.
Or wanking it. 🤣
This works in both American and British English, a rarity of pairity.
He he he ..he is
Vae, Gaudium Fugax!
There is a garden in the east, serene and perfect, but a Seraph guards it with a flaming sword. For God has seven thousand names, and one of them is Bastard.
- Neil Gaiman, Lucifer
Happy Birthday Brian.
Thanks so much!
Winger's argument falls flat with Gen 3:22 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
We know what good and evil are. That's why decent people are repulsed by genocide, slavery, homophobia, etc. I see this passage as a warning that an evil god lies in the pages that follow. Some very early sects of Christianity believed that Yahweh was Satan, whom Jesus came to save us from.
Amen Mr Deity. Please do not put me on a long plane ride next to Mike, A fate worse that death.
The book of Revelation was greatly inspired by the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in 79 AD/CE, which destroyed the large and wealthy Roman resort town of Pompeii, as well as the smaller Roman town of Herculaneum. Naturally the scattered and shattered Jewish nation (whose rebellion against Rome had led to that massive series of defeats and the destruction of the temple) were POSITIVE that the volcanic eruptions and destruction were a judgment from 'god', and would therefore celebrate that supposed divine punishment.
Such great points!!!
@@misterdeity Thank you for the heart/like!
If I were to actually take Mike up on his suggestion to wait until I understand why Hell is a good and beautiful thing, I would be waiting from now until the day I die. And if there did turn out to be such a thing as a soul that persists after death, then I suppose I would continue waiting until the heat death of the universe.
There have been also people who praised Mao, Hitler and Stalin for their righeous judgement!
So when ever somone praises a leader for killing, then the killing is good?
How is that objective moral?
The saints are praising god’s judgment because they’re not on the receiving end of it. They’re obviously going to enable the torturer by making them think their atrocities are justified.
Is there a better demonstration of Christianity's utter lack of empathy for their fellow humans?
That whole mason analogy, of not questioning an expert with their lay person’s understanding, does he extend that type of respect to biologists talking about evolution, climate scientists, or virology?
I make that exact point in a follow-up written for next month.
*Making excuses for God.*
_Win, lose or draw, God always gets an automatic "benefit of the doubt"._
Winger mocks the idea of going up to a mason building a wall and (as an ordinary person who knows very little about this craft) criticizing attributes of the wall. He says, “This is the master mason. You should just let him do his job.”
And yet the tables are turned when the topic is evolution. Fundamentalist Christians are happy to blunder in, ask a question or two that they remember from a Creationist video, and walk smugly away, thinking they’ve heard the last of evolution.
What a great point!!! I’m making a whole ‘nother video next month about that part of the video. I’m gonna steal this point with your permission(?). Or not(?). I’m a terrible person. 😬
So damn true!
@@misterdeity Enjoy!
I would be right into Wingerism if I was as dumb as dirt. Fortunately I have been taught to ask questions and think for myself. Thanks to those who encourage people to think for themselves like misterdeity.
I hope you get better soon.
Well done. Thank you for this!!
And I'm glad to hear your caregivers are getting it better.
There’s no cruelty like god’s compassion.
Religion primarily helps the powerful remain in power. When that rich and powerful person gets away with an injustice, the religious simply shrug and say, "he'll find out one day" it's a great way to stop the common people from rising up against corrupt rulers.
ROTFLMMFAO....
How does ANYONE listen to this and not start DYING LAUGHING?!?!. He ONLY sounds ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!!
For an adult human to take ANYTHING he says seriously or as affirmation of a positive is again...INSANE!
I've always enjoyed your videos, but your tone has changed. You're more serious now, or at least it seems so to me. I like it a lot. Please, more like this. And I hope you feel better.
I still try to bring the funny/entertainment. But it's mostly in the pop-ups now. We're living in a much more serious time. So...
An all powerful, all loving god.
I as an Atheist am going to hell. then he is not all loving.
He cannot convince me, then he is not all powerful.
So their invisible friend created everyone and everything exactly as he wanted and everyone and everything does exactly as he planned. So... what is there to judge?
Yeah, it is like if you made different figures, and you purposely made some to look great and others to look horrible, and then you decided to judge them, and then proceed to blame them for looking the way they do. It is literally insane. It is like the "god" of the bible has an extreme narcissistic personality disorder. [tip: he does, ... because he was written by people that had NPD]
Nailed it! Cowardice is the common thread across most apologetics.
In what universe can one see what one’s leader espouses and enacts, recognize that every faculty is telling you that it’s evil, and then get a pass for doing the leader’s dirty work because, “well, they’re the leader”…?
Every order of God’s which you carry out and every act of God which you defend you do so because the merits are apparent to you personally and appeal to you personally. This is because you are either yourself malignant and misanthropic, or else you just don’t really give a shit what happens to people. But you won’t admit to either of those positions because it’s hard to convince people to float your boat while admitting that people generally are merely a means to your ends - and you dare not try to make your living honestly. Sounds like cowardice to me.
Trust is a JUDGMENT! To trust that the god's moral rules will make sense requires that you judge the god to be trustworthy. Positive labels like righteousness and holiness are judgements too. If we can't judge the god, then it's none of those things.
Mike Winger's promotion of fiction is outstanding. Despite the complete lack of evidence for heaven, hell, god, demons, angels, or for the existence of divine laws, Mike is able to determine that god has a perfect character. It takes a special kind of con artist to sell cans of Scotch mist (you can even hear distant bagpipes, when you open the can).
When I was a child, many eons ago, they used to sell tins of Scots air to American tourists.
@@naomiandtommccabe Yes, that was a well known con. That's why I quoted it.
God be like... "I have 10 kids now. I only like one, I keep having more so I always have someone to abuse. There's always room for another to be buried in the back yard." "Now, then, oh favored child, I can't hear your praises, better pick up the volume. You know your mom's always pregnant with another one just like you."
LOL!!!
Winger is a good example of someone with a brain asphyxiated by theology.
Except you don't have to wait to understand how the wall is being built. The builder can just show you the blue prints and explain it to you.
God should be able to do the same. Explain to us what the plan is and why things have to happen the way they do. Show us his blue prints. Not just wait and find out.
The game is to see how many will believe WITHOUT reason though. YHWH is a sick trickster god, you see.
In general you trust builders because most buildings don’t fall down. Most builders appear to be good at what they do. Just like you trust pilots and doctors. However if you saw a cop torturing a person in brad daylight and his response to being asked why was “ you will understand one day “ I doubt your trust would go very far.
There is more cruelty in Christianity than in any other religion I can think of,
Islam is a contender.
What about the Church of Random Murder and Paper Cuts?
@@madeirafonseca6383I haven’t been around any Muslims, so cannot say they are worse than the Christian cult in America. The Christian cult Taliban continually lies and hates, spreading their weaponized misinformation.
@@InigoMontoya- You say "Random" like it's a bad thing?
@@madeirafonseca6383it’s not the randomness that bothers me, it is the paper cuts.
Evangelicals’ apologetic gymnastics is impressive, but they always fall off the high bar and land on their head.
Mike Winger -- what a wingnut.
Will I for one had never heard of this dude that was preaching on there but I'm glad you found him and I'm glad you took the whole deal apart as usual well done very well done
There is a huge problem with not judging God.
If you can't judge him, you can't know the qualities of his morality, and whether he is good or bad. You would have to take that on blind faith.
And it gets worse, since God's morality is supposed to be the perfect standard for Christian "objective" morality. When you can't grasp God's morality, that standard may as well not exist.
Even when I was a believer, I thought that Revelations was too weird and psychotic to understand, let alone believe it was godly. Now, I think the writer either ate some moldy grain or was into 'shrooms. As for Mr. Winger, if he were in my family, I think that I wouldn't be sending him any Thanksgiving dinner invitations.
You’re still a believer, you just believe in something else
@@jacksonelmore6227Yes. But nothing supernatural.
@@misterdeity the natural IS supernatural
@@jacksonelmore6227 That's not how words work. Is good bad too? Is up down? The world does not revolve around you. So you don't just get to define things however you want. Try respecting others next time.
@@misterdeity you religiously insist that words must “work”
All things are One, good and bad ARE the same thing, metaphysically. so is up and down, just not when perceived by an ego
You want to constrain reality to the limits of your intellectual egos capacities
The world doesn’t revolve around you, it IS you
You say “you don’t get to define things however you want” yet you present yourself as an ego you’ve defined “yourself”
You’re an innocent hypocrite, you’re unenlightened in the technical sense,
I do not wish to demean you, forgive me if I seem condescending, but I must say the truth as it is in the face of your own intellectual aggression
I respect all things, for I permit your opinions, and every opinion that’s ever existed
Your thinking on a very small scale, you are unconscious of the Self, or the metaphysics of Unconditional Love
This is why you think of god in terms a theist would, and egoistically oppose that boogeyman, drop the cause of atheism and simply Be
Atheism and theism are the same euphemism for the unenlightened, just from different polarities
Great job well said and I agree with your direct approach of creating a point your fingers to the over arching hypocrisy
Well, Winger does have his old, silly book. 😆
At 3:40 Mike admitted there's a voice in his head. They make medication for that.
Well said. Thanks so much for your clarity.
WOW!!! Thanks so much. I'm sending you two front row seats to the apocalypse! Figure out your plus one now. 😉
Mike's entire spiel consists of "For the Bible tells me so." He just doesn't get things.
God's such a goof.
His bumbling exploits should really be a FOX animated sitcom.
A god that would let evil people into heaven based on their attitude toward him isn’t perfectly just.
A all powerful loving God would not let evil in their creation. So God is responsible for evil, and should not hold people responsible if they are evil.
@@donniebunch1897sounds like God has hardened your heart- that’s on you, bro.
@@donniebunch1897 It's worse than letting it in. A god who created everything is responsible for the existence of evil.
That example this guy gives of seeing someone building a wall and not judging their work because you are not a mason.
Well, what if the person building the wall isn't actually a mason? Additionally, you don't need to be a master mason to recognize bad craftsmanship. Sometimes the shoddy workmanship is obvious, even to a layperson.
Turkmenistan is ruled by a savage dictator following in the footsteps of Lavarentiy Beria. Anyone who looks at him wrong is kidnapped in the middle of the night, sees his wife and children murdered before his eyes and then is tortured to death. That kind of thing. There is a video tape of a meeting of the parliament, with the dictator sitting of a golden throne on the stage and each representative (there are about 300 of them) has to speak in turn, competing to praise the dictator's virtue, his loving kindness, he paternal support of the nation, etc. That is what Christianity makes out heaven to be.
The difference between Turkmenistan and heaven is the latter will go on for countless trillions of years.
This is, yet another, excellent video!
You don't let this absurd "explanations" pass. Especially the hint that we would have to wait for understanding but the bronce age people apparently couldn't be bothered, is very important! Thanks
Imagine how much better the world would be - how much less suffering through the millennia there would be, had God given the world truly transcendent moral principles 4,000 years ago and told them, "Just wait. You'll understand later."
if a religious RELATIVE is FINE with you going to hell while they presume they go to heaven, no issues with it whatsoever…
…that relative ain’t worth the time.
I just want to ask Winger if that sounds SANE to him. I'ma have to call him Stockholm Mike now.
The 5 people who will be saved will be far too busy being confused by why they were saved, to weep over anything.
Winger has no idea how embarrassed he should be for his unbridled imbecility!
It’s interesting. The first I see of excusegists, i see them as young, impressionable, misguided but basically decent. The more I see of them, the more pure evil they become. Is that me giving them the benefit of my doubt, or do they really evolve their evil so quickly?
In Winger’s case I found out this week that my first impression (particularly the “young” bit) was correct. He grew up, according to his own description of it, with a biological father who ignored him and a stepfather who hated him. Obviously that stunted Winger’s growth and he is still a child inside. He needs therapy, not threats of more torment.
Yes, Brian, that's what I've been saying all along...
Good people don't celebrate the punishment of others. Those saints who were not personally wronged by the babylonians have no stake in the administration of justice if you could call what god does as justice.
It’s the Christian cult way to celebrate the evil of their god…….
good stuff right here
There's a little voice in Mike's head, sounds about right..
Dear Brian... you seem to be feeling better! At least I hope that's the case. If so, I'm so glad!
Thanks. Your comment reminded me that I needed to post and pin a health update, which I've done. Take a look.
The concept of perfection is like that of infinity, you can never reach it. Stop believing in perfection.
His argument about praising god's judgement for punishing the wicked falls flat when you remember that completely virtuous non-believers will receive the same punishment. So what is the actual 'crime' that is being punished?
The word “excuseagist” makes me think these folks are “christianists” and they practice “christianism”.
funny thing about god's judgement is there is only the one crime, "sin" which is basically anything that irritates god, and his judgement doesn't involve a trial or a jury of peers, there is no counsel and there is one sentence, pick god or hell. by all accounts god is a criminal, a despot and a lunatic. fortunately god isn't real so hell isn't a real thing, but god's gang of insane fans is all too real.
And they vote!
The best thing about God's Unchanging Morality is that it is written on each of our hearts. That is why, even though we all have slightly - or even wildly- divergent opinions on what constitutes the Objective True Moral Good, we are each of us right! Score one for God!
Is this a snark? It makes no sense. We all can't be right if we are all different. And who says there is one objective true moral good? Furthermore, are you also claiming cultures that precede or were isolated from the Near Eastern God of the Bible had no objective true moral good, or any morality? Are the native Americans doomed because they never heard about Yahweh or Jesus? I don't think you can even validate the concept of a single, objective true moral good, much less any objective morality. At least, without resorting to quoting the Bible. Circular argument.
You are hilarious. You should write standup.
First you presuppose a diety. Then you presuppose it is moral. Then you presuppose its morality is unchanging. The god the bible changes its morality all of the time. Do you consider Charles Manson moral? Stalin? Reagan? Any wealthy person. Racists? Bigots? Modi? The list is mind boggling big. Are each of them living morally? Each of them is right? Think beyond your nose. When you die, can someone remove your heart and see what's written there. We chose our morality. And sadly theists are the least moral. Just review every religion on the planet. They prove it. And that comes from your god?
No, the best thing is that it is neither unchanging nor moral, which adds to the many other things that indicate it doesn’t exist; freeing us from following murderous faerie tales for moral guidance.
Glad you are feeling better. Mike's a **** as we would say in Australia.
I love Australia!!!
That is NOT what an Australian would say.
Thank you for your insightful videos. I live in the bible belt and the pious drivel is so tiresome. Take care of yourself.
There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell Winger would be praising god if HE was on the receiving end off all that judgement. But he sure doesn’t mind it when those OTHER PEOPLE are getting their just deserts. sick
That's exactly how Christianity (and religion more broadly) destroys our empathy for others and our moral intuitions.
Just gotta look away and forgetaboutit....God knows what he's doing. Sounds like my job when they introduce a new software package. "Just trust in the system." That's when you know your screwed.
Tribalism, at the end of the day that's all christianity is.
Glad to hear you're feeling better, Brian. Re the master mason analogy. I was wondering, if Mike didn't know why a wall was being built in the manner the master mason was building it, he could've asked and received a clear answer. That's not what happens when you're waiting for an answer from the inscrutable invisible sky daddy. Just a thought.
Great point! I have a follow-up coming next month with more on that analogy.
*Gods Love ?* _(go get em, Satan)_
So, one day God decided that humans had it far, far too easy.
And that things like _disease, famine, injury, old age & natural disasters_ did not produce enough suffering.
To solve this problem, God introduced an extremely powerful, super intelligent, invisible beast to prey upon his children.
Wow, Brian, that was really something. It had some funny lines, as always, but your message (not God's, because you are a humane human) was really strong and totally on point in this one.
I have been told that hate is bad, and it is if it's directed at things and people who don't deserve it, but I can honestly say that I hate Mike Winger and it's a good thing. After all, I'm just reflecting his message back at him...and only him.
The poor guy has succumbed to his existential angst, willful ignorance, and perhaps a little brainwashing/indoctrination. I don't hate him. But I so hate his hateful ideas!
6:19 THATS SUCH A GOOD POINT!
I used to be one of these people. You just can't reason with them. They have to be dedicated to the story or their is no afterlife. They have become so reliant on an afterlife that they will believe anything that justifies them. They have to have it. They are scared shitless of dying.
Yep, even the thought of just not existing terrifies some people
See: Ernest Becker's "Denial Of Death."
@@misterdeity Will definitely check it out!
So am I, but it's "how" you die that makes me uncomfortable.
They sang as they carried a cross to be crucified upside down…but …sure
Master Class! I gained IQ points when you pointed out the "Just Wait" advice couldn't work for the Bronze Age authors.
While watching a god condemn billions to eternal torment - "Glory to God the truest and most righteous!!" o0O (please don't smite us! We'll say whatever you want!) That same passage says “Praise our God, all you his servants, _you who fear him,_ both great and small!”
remember…HELL is described by a narcissistic, petty, petulant, unsympathetic, bigoted, judgmental, and lying deity through his one-sided book.
based on that god’s actions, i think i’d rather go to HELL. probably a party down there.
when i think about all the evil which god represents, my blood boils but then i rememeber...there is no God, but then seeing people I love and care believing those thing, the boiling begins again, but then i remember...i used to believe that nonsense and i get awake, so there is hope
Fortunately, my Dad became an atheist at 82 - by reading the Bible. Only my sister is still in the cult. And she doesn't really speak to me anymore (for other reasons).
God's a bastard, full stop. There, judgement.
Pure and true and good!
Happy birthday Brian!🎈🎈🎈🎉🎉🎉
Thanks! It was awful. Double the chemo that week kicked the crap out of me! D'oh!!!
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There must have been some bad acid around on Patmos when John the Revolater wtote the book of the seven seals.
It was just first century fiction until some people with a room temperature IQ took it literally.
@@madeirafonseca6383 Never mind the room temp IQs - I totally agree with you but this bad acid trip theology has inspired some great music if you have never listerned to it try the following - Blind Willie Johnson, Son House and two very talented contempory lady guitarists Larkin Poe.
I don't preach the Gospel but I do preach the Blues.
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The Isle of Patmos is famous for its psilocybin shrooms.
@@MichaelJonesC-4-7 Ah well that explains it - say no more.
It is also evil for a god or for anyone else to force someone into the type of existence where they will suffer against their will and it is also evil to force someone into the type of existence that they might hate to exist in.
If I forced other life forms into the type of existence where they would suffer against their will and possibly hate existing, then I would be evil for doing such a thing to another life form.
Hell YES!!!
To the video I mean!!!
First off, glad you're feeling towards better. We would like you around for a while longer, probably for selfish reasons.
Second. Hearing these folks say things like trust god and ignore your conscience, or that it will all make perfect sense one day, even though it makes NO sense now feels like an absolute insult to their own mythology.
There were two trees in Eden that were named. One, granted eternal life, which makes no sense if creation was perfect and did not know death. The other, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, makes complete sense for a divine being that wanted his creation to choose to love and worship it, but that was the tree man was forbidden to touch on the pain of death.
When I was still a believer, this always felt like a cruel setup by god. But now we have these people of questionable ethics and morality trying to give their god a pass on eternal torment by their all loving and merciful god by pulling the 'we just can't understand god' excuse. The hell we can't. The entire point of the damn tree was that if we ate from it, we would be able to see things as god does and discern good from evil.
Sounds like the tree, in fact, gave us the ability to do just that. And when we look at the god of the Bible, it becomes apparent that this god at least does evil things on the regular. That it is part of this god's 'plan' is irrelevant.
We are just calling it like we see it, the exact purpose for the tree put into that garden by god. We were commanded to not touch it because god knew that if we did, we would see he/she/it for the cruel and evil being it was.
The entire story makes no sense.
Love you and your work B.
Great points!!!
one of your best videos yet. well worth sharing with a believer.
Glad you enjoyed it
Mike: I trust god to know more about something than I do.
Also Mike: I don't trust experts about evolution or science or anything else I've never studied.
As I said last video, I'd like to see Mike explore the idea that he was created by a god to go to hell, where he will experience eternal torment, and there's nothing he can do about it. Oh well.
Bri - I'm glad and relieved to know you're improving. We need ya, buddy!
I cherish my family whom I can see and embrace, but I'm expected to accept their eternal torment by an unseen, unprovable entity from an ancient, obscure text...riiiggghhhttt. Excusagism is disgusting