The Most Evil Idea in the New Testament - Richard Dawkins
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"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods and they are unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius
I believe he was an early Stoic. He is right about memories being the source of life after death, because the whole concept of a spirit or soul is in your head.All the folks that have now passed, if they meant something to me, live on in my head with fond memories. The soulless live on, too, as those who cause you harm have effectively taken a dump in your brain.
@@dthomas9230 watch{John Safran vs God} us Aussies already proved Holy God to be real,Demons shit scared of Lord Jesus Christ and his Holy Father,your bit of Evil you are born with does not want you to pickup the Holy Bible,see if you can and read it.Dawkins christian illiterate easy to take down if subject was open,communist-evolutionist he is the most danger as he can't count.Death awaits the fool that does not repent.
@@user-rx7py3vu9s Yeah. Live a good life means go all out and milk it for what it is worth. You must be English teacher of sorts. 😀😀😀😀
@@user-rx7py3vu9s Copeland Ministeries did that and have their own airport, hangars, and private fleet of jets.
@@user-rx7py3vu9s Wow! How to misread. He's actually telling us the exact opposite.
One word. Indoctrination. If religion wasn't even mentioned until a person was 18, they'd never fall for this rubbish
I was an atheist till age 25. I had all the same diseased thoughts as you. Shame its BS. After 0 plus years on the other side, i pity you. As you have no idea the scope of what you oppose. You suck up ideas that are so childish. TROPES about God. Cartoons.
This man, Dawkins, has been at least equally indoctrinated (if that's how you want to think of it). His knowledge of the very thing he speaks against- the God of the Bible- is incredibly lacking. On Jesus, he asks, "Did He actually say that He was salvation?" And says, "Surely he never said that my death is necessary in order for you to be saved from sin." (!?) It's absurd, and often dishonest, to dismiss something without even examining it. This would be the intellectual equivalent of me dismissing the whole of scientific endeavor because of the medical use of leeches in the middle ages, without knowing anything about penicillin or the science of electricity. It's cartoonish. A simple google search would answer his questions in minutes, but he chooses to not know. This is more symptomatic of indoctrination than anything common to believers in the Bible.
@@SeeSawMassacre everyone is brainwashed from birth, breaking your programming is what JESUS s about. You are ruled by SATAN, his puppets, Freemasonry, false churches, that is any church made with Bricks and mortar. The freemasons commissioned a tv show, in the 60's, The PRISONER, Number six, In that show its full of masonic symbols. Scholastic blazers, everyone is a number, the prisoner is striving to be an individual, a freeman. in episode 2, chimes of big ben, NUMBER TWO.. SATAN, his chummy pal, the one that tests him, tells him the Village is the New World Order, it soon will be everywhere. You pay by credit. Cameras monitor your movement, you have generic food tins in the kitchen, you have exams to test your IQ, exams that feed you facts that you do not need. fake elections, they ask him WHY DID YOU RESIGN? why did you GIVE UP? on their system? He asks back.. who is NUMBER ONE? they say YOU ARE..... Number six. You are NUMBER ONE. They want him to be an INDIVIDUAL, To put himself first, a selfish prick . a superman. the show ends when he WINS. he escapes, he is an individual, he is number one. Only he does not understand he LOST. the door of his flat opens automatically, they still watch him. BE SEEING YOU. This is what life is about, YOU ARE A PRISONER. and who is number one? its JESUS. Not you. Until you surrender you always are a prisoner. SOon they will ask - who's side are you on? its not about usa? russia? china? who's side? God or Satan. if you accept a MARK, an OATH, you chose Satan. You chose to fight God. God is ending it soon. the ILLUSION disappears. The end of the CHURCH age should arrive before 2025. God steals away believers, by force. He snatches us away. HARPAZO-rapture. what do you think? did God remove hundreds of millions of people in one instant? YES. Does he resurrect maybe 10 billion? YES. does this cause FAMIINE, Yes. So God is revealed at the end of 2000 years. THEN YOU GET A CHOICE. who will you serve? the G7 nations, a beast with seven heads and ten horns, seven leaders with ten nations, or will you come to Jesus.
Now work it out - what is the odds of a group in a seven-ten configuration, ruling mankind, at the 6000 year ceiling. it has 52 percent of world wealth. The Brics nations want to be like the G7. emulating them. when God causes MAYHEM. WHen YOU realize you have no future on earth, your ambitions are destroyed? all your hard work so far is worthless. Will you resent Jesus. For this MAYHEM. That is what the bible says will happen. YOUR WORLD IS ENDING. you either accept it. Or Fight GOD. Satan who has kept you. Fed you. Brainwashed you. Wants you to fight, be a hero and die to protect his kingdom. SO be a hero. Take a MARK - what sort of Mark? from Mark zucker' From MARK Wahlberg.. Marky mark... Satan is being funny. HE knows you don't see it. its everywhere around you. THE MARK... From Marky Mark... You like MARC-us , the Mark of INFINITY, the Leviathan mark. God fights LEVIATHAN? what is that? it is not Godzilla, its not a gigantic lizard, its millions of lizards - serpents, its everyone that takes a mark and fights God. ONE LARGE GROUP, like a church, only its called LEVIATHAN. You might be part of it. Part of Leviathan, now look up the symbol for it. INFINITY and a cross. the cross means covenant. a false covenant with many. we try to pull you away from what is coming to earth. You will sell out for FOOD. same as ESAU. you sell your blessing for food. Upto today, you might sell your soul for SUCCESS, fame and fortune. You might make a deal with a Weinstein? a political party? a sponsor? an organisation. These are under Satan's control. You don't need to see Satan, to sell your soul. You sell out. and become another famous man on earth. an influencer. steering people away from Christ.
How about taking the trouble to look into religion before calling it " rubbish " ?! And try to define religion intelligently before starting on the quest. Religion includes different things and does not mean the same thing to everybody.
@@irenehartlmayr8369 not interested in RELIGION, Jesus is God, not religious. He will end humanity on earth. Those that want heaven, get heaven, those that want to stay on earth and abuse others, get hell. Its a simple choice. black or white.
Think of the idea. You have roughly 80 years on earth. If you don’t get it right during that 80 years, having not a shred of evidence outside a book that reads horribly and brutally, the father that loves you will either burn you for all eternity or allow you to kiss his feet for all eternity. Who on earth would ever do that to one of their own children who they truly love? Nobody! It’s absurd on its face.
For the greatest part of human history we didn't even have 80 years but more like only 30-40 years. A 50 year old person in ancient Egypt, the Roman Empire, the Middle Ages, and well into the 19th century was a venerable senior citizen. Even today there are still parts of the world where average life expectancy is 60 at best. Which makes your argument all the more grave.
But that is actually the point. When you lived such a short and at times brutal life , no wonder eternal life seemed so enticing. With us living till we are 80 or 90, we've usually done it all and have no real desire to live forever. It's not a carrot religion can dangle in front of us anymore.
An equally absurd statement. I can assure that at age 80 or 90 and offered to die today or live on, you will choose the latter, and not say "I've had enough." (This presumes good health of course, which is a standard for any age.)@@simonreich5028
TOBEBOOM you never read the full OT
why do you assume that it's 'you' that is the child of God? nothing is further from the truth. You are not the apple of God's eye. Quite the opposite.
1:38 - "Surely he never said 'my death is necessary for you to be saved from sin'"
*Matthew 26:28*
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." This is interpreted by many Christians as an indication that Jesus saw his death as a necessary sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.
I think its the only gospel text whereby Jesus Himself mentions the purpose for His crucifixion. 🤔
Also - his name literally means “God saves”
He also supposedly said, "My lord why have you forsaken me", and, "take this cup away from me, not I as will but as you will".
The respect that you and Richard show for each other is wonderful to behold. Neither of you is insulted to be challenged, and you patiently allow each other to fully explain your positions without excessive interruption. Well done, as usual, Alex. Thank you for this series of videos.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!..
I agree, Flanagan. Thank you writing such a fine comment ❤️
Both are atheists as I understand this, so bound to agree on principle
03:15 "im sorry for you having to do a degree in this kind of thing... its not a real subject isnt?" getting this instead of a straight answer seems disrespectful to me, but i guess thats my opinion.
@@melkicastillo3399I fully agree
“You are born in sin. We can’t be good without him” is a very effective recruitment strategy.
What's better is that if you believe the whole thing, you'll live forever in a paradise.
Im taking notes for when I start my cult.
Sounds like wokery without the love for something other than yourself.
We aren't born sinners.God says babies and small children are innocent.
It's only effective because the average human being is a complete fucking moron.
No one can die for the sins of another. To make it so is an effort to keep man in chains. To redeem himself, a man must accept full responsibility for his own actions or inactions, that he alone was the cause of his shortcomings. There is no other way to attain spiritual freedom. There never has been and never will be, no matter what anyone may want to make you believe.
Understand, original Christianity teaches full responsibility, BUT living a good moral life is insufficient towards attaining eternal life and happiness after death. Therefore one must be responsible within the framework of the cross of Christ. That is, you must pay for your sins and sacrifice the best you can, but after falling short, Jesus pays the rest in order to deliver your soul. So in Christianity it is not one-side - you must do your part and God does His part for your salvation. ☝🏽 So understand, it is an act of pride to rely on self and your own righteousness to get you somewhere. Alot of good people will end up in hell too. You need Jesus .
"Parents don't own their children. You are the caretakers of those children. You are instilled with a responsibility to raise responsible members of society and to teach them the minimal things that they will need to carry on a productive life when you're not around." -- Matt Dillahunty
Leftist nonsense from a bald ball of goo.
Nonsense. Children do owe respect and allegiance to their bloodline, ancestors. Destroying the family first goal Illuminati. Collapses Cohesion.and now Parental rights of minors being collapsed.
I disagree. Parents DO own their children (after all they are their products), and the classics which you cite so eloquently would say the very same thing.
@@petervan333 But you don't own a child like you own a table. People should not, for instance, be allowed to use their children for free forced labor the way most people do.
@@saphireblue3563The way most people do? Most people use their children for slave labor? Really? If this is the case, the world is more fucked-up than I thought.
One of the most profound Catholic theologians of the 20th century, Henri de Lubac, wrote a book called "The Drama of Atheist Humanism". In the book, he did a very Thomist thing: in order to truly respond to the proponents of atheist materialism, he started by examining their thought in great depth. Otherwise he would only have been responding to his own preconceptions about atheistic materialists, and he knew this. Alex O'Connor seems to me a person professing atheism who extends that same courtesy to Christianity. He tries to understand it before responding to it.
Bear in mind that Christianity is one religion among many, and it would be impossible for any atheist to examine every religion's truth claims in detail. Simply knowing that science has refuted the existence of a historical Adam and Eve is enough to seriously undermine Christianity. No original sin, no need for vicarious atonement.
@@k-3402 Adam and Eve is a oral creation myth, like all ancient cultures had. Fundamentalist Christians would like it to be historical fact, but many many Christians couldn't care less. Its truth is much deeper than mere historicity.
Do you offer the same courtesy to other religions? I doubt it. You think they are wrong despite not know what they believe.
@@k-3402why do you care?
@@k-3402 - How has "Science" refuted the existence of a historical Adam and Eve? Researchers can go back 100,000 - 200,000 years to the original human being(s), how exactly? This sounds like a claim based in Faith. Not proof. What about if there was an "Adam", then an "Eve", especially since Adam in the Hebrew moreso stands for "hu/mankind"?
I'll say again: I'm a Christian and I appreciate the way in which you challenge things. Not as colorful as Hitchens and not as vitriolic as Dawkins. Straightforward, good-faith arguments. Thank you.
Seriously, Dawkins clearly has a lot of deep-seated malice towards Christianity, it makes me think he its more of a personal grudge than a philosophical disagreement
@@bencarlson4300 we just prefer truth and not some made up fairy tales. And do you even know how much misery Christianity brought to the world ?
Is your new born child born in sin ?
@@diaryofnricom163 Yawn, please if you want to debate which ideology brought more harm or benefit, especially to the West sure we can do that but if you think that's Christianity especially compared to anti-theist ideologies of today's wokes/progressives or 20th century commies sure, but it won't be Christianity. And he is right, usually people like Dawkings have some personal issues with Christianity and it's rarely based on something rational. At least Hitchens was honest about that.
@@bencarlson4300 any rational, reasonable, and moral person, would have a lot of deep-seated malice towards Christianity. It is, and always has been, a detrimental delusion that holds us back as a species. It has value as a personal grudge, it has none in philosophy.
This was such a good interview. I've already listened to the whole thing, but after this teaser, I'm going to go back and listen to it again.
"Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!"
-- Patrick Stewart as Captain. Jean-Luc Picard - Star Trek The Next Generation
In other words, "Don't make it so"...
I revere the character Captain. Jean-Luc Picard as the pinnacle of what makes a good person. The greatest possible good is always the goal, but an entities right to exist and live free of oppression outstrips most matters. A good person will not stand by for things that cannot be justified to them. A good person will always take into account as much relevant information as possible, not only for fear of perpetrating an injustice but also because of a genuine, zealous passion for righteous acts and the betterment of all who would be concerned.
I am partial to Mr Whorf :) @@danzilthard.7248
No, no, no, religion is not "superstition, ignorance, and fear"
This is your opinion. @@TheMilitantMazdakite
"...the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." Matthew 20:28
"This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:28
"I lay down my life for the sheep." John 10:15
C'mon, guys.
"Many passages attributed to Jesus have him predicting the end *within his generation* (“the time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Repent and believe the good news” (Mark 1:15); *“this generation will not pass away* until all these things take place” (Mark 13:30); *“truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes”* (Matthew 10:23); “Truly I say to you, *there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death* until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.” (Mark 9:1); "From now on, you shall see the *Son of Man* coming in the clouds..." (Matthew 26:64))."
Jesus as a failed apocalyptic prophet is the general consensus of critical scholarship, *even critical Christian scholars* like Dale Allison. The Son of Man (Jesus himself?) was supposed to be an end of the world arbiter, as Bart Ehrman points out in his lecture referenced below, and as the Bible states he was supposed to come *within the lifetime* of Jesus’s followers. *It didn't happen.*
Read the article from the former Christian apologist and Tim O'Neill (former Christian), who has been studying the scholarship and history for decades, referenced below as well.
*Jesus falsely prophesied his return in the 1st century*
“Truly I say to you, ***you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes”*** (Matthew 10:23);
For the *Son of man* shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; ***and then he shall reward every man according to his works.***
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here will not taste death*** before they see the *Son of Man* coming in his kingdom Matthew 16:27-28
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here*** will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God Luke 9:27
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Mark 13:30
The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Then will appear the sign of the *Son of Man* in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the *Son of Man* coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Matthew 24:29-34
There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the *Son of Man* coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened Luke 21:25-32
*Jesus promised to return over 2, 000 years ago and he still hasn’t.*
Jesus and the angels never appeared from Heaven, the stars never fell from the sky, none of these things happened. Nothing he prophesied happened.
***Apologists can try to spin this, but the simple fact is that Jesus was either wrong or misquoted.***
According to the Bible that makes Jesus a false prophet or misquoted (and if Jesus is misquoted than the Bible is not inerrant or the word of God)
How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken Deuteronomy 18:21-22
*Jesus falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin (assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal)
You will see the *Son of Man* sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and ***coming on the clouds of heaven*** Matthew 26:64 Mark 14:62
Except the high priest and the Sanhedrin never saw Jesus sitting at the right hand side of God, or coming on the clouds of heaven, or any such thing.
*Jesus falsely prophesied to Nathaniel*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to Nathanael when he declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.”
Jesus said, You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that. He then added, ***“Very truly I tell you, you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man*** John 1:50-51
*Nathanael never saw any such thing. Neither did anyone else.*
*"13x Jesus was wrong in the Bible - Life Lessons"*
The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument.
*Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do:* He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6-7; 11:7-12:16, etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises-for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing- *Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome.* Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, *making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews.* (1 Cor.1:23)
Watch *Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman*
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Also, look up the following.
*"End Times - Evil Bible .com"*
*"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"*
*"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
*"Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet - History for Atheists"*
(Tim O'Neill is a former Christian and is familiar with most of the Biblical scholarship. He's been studying the scholarship and history for decades)
*"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*
Also, how cognitive dissonance possibly explains early Christianity.
*“The Rationalization Hypothesis: Is a Vision of Jesus Necessary for the Rise of the Resurrection Belief?”* - by Kris Komarnitsky | Κέλσος - Wordpress
*"February 2015 - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* - Isaiah 53
*"Jesus and the Messianic Prophecies - Did the Old Testament Point to Jesus? - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*
*"Did Jesus Fulfill Prophecy? | Westar Institute"*
*"Jesus Was Not the Only “Prophet” to Predict the Destruction of the Temple - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
*"What Do the Apostles’ Deaths Prove? Guest Post by Kyle Smith. - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*
@@epicofatrahasis3775 You and I have a very different interpretation of what Jesus did and didn't do. That's OK but. You sound like I did when I was a teenager.
Gandhi could have easily said the same thing if he lived back then having any inclination they were gonna kill him. “My death will inspire many to become more loving” that’s all those passages mean. It’s written in first century poetry. “Forgiveness of sins”. Yeah I mean they even write Jesus forgiving his enemies while being crucified in Luke. It’s quite clear that his martyrdom will be an example of unconditional love which is forgiving even the worst people. But the way it’s written in the gospel sounds more profound and deep than what I just wrote.
Who cares?
👎
I definitely agree with him on this. Sure you could say original sin is a metaphor for how no human is perfect and that we all fall short of our moral judgements, but what it's actually saying is humans are inherently evil and we are obligated to surrender our freedom to this supposed god. It just sounds like the perfect manipulative technique, selling someone the cure for an illness they don't have.
Yup. Snake oil for the masses.
Blame the victims for not doing as God instructed them to do in order to bring the kingdom and peace to earth.
Classic victim perp roll shifting.
I don't understand. What is the difference between humans being "imperfect" and "falling short" and humans being in some way "evil", other than emotive language?
That's all it says. None of us is perfect and atonement of some kind is needed in order to be better. If you take out the religious language of "sin" and "redemption" it suddenly becomes a lot less controversial
@@mxzyzptlk We know. They don't. They place religious connotations to these concepts.
Personally, i do not accept the word evil. It is a subjective concept. Good and bad. Right and wrong. We do not need definitions for trafic lights to understand what they are and mean. It does not matter why they use red, yellow and green. What matters is that we all understand what they are and mean. Now, apply this rational to other concepts.
Easy, right?
No. Some want to argue about the words used to identify a concept rather than debate the concept itself.
I am so sick of this subjective crap. It's monotonous 😒
@@mxzyzptlk Humans being imperfect is normal, it is part of our nature. Christianity says that there is something wrong with us and we need to need to surrender to god to get rid of our evil. At least that's the impression I am getting.
"inherently evil"? That's not original sin. And its antithetical to the first chapter of the bible outright.
Awesome tablecloth!! Where in the world can I find one? It reminds me of some pieces I picked up in Peru years ago.
…and what is this thing about men not wearing enough hats.
That is a very good an interesting video.
The respectful way you both debate is so refreshing.
It's so obnoxious to see Alex make thoughtful philosophical points just to have them dismissed by Dawkins with comments like "I'm sorry you had to do a degree on this" and "it isn't a real subject".
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!...
Totally! Dawkins is a snobby prick
It is a real as a subject on Dungeons and Dragons.
@@cmp6 except western civilisation wasn’t built on dungeons and dragons. We’ve got so complacent and comfortable we’ve forgotten where the western world came from. We’re willing to ridicule and mock it. Meanwhile the rest of the world still has tradition and culture, that they are extremely proud of. And they’re laughing as we commit suicide. So ye, keep thinking it’s as important as Dungeons and Dragons 🤦♂️
@@H.L.S.98 You could definitely study the effects of religion on society but seriously studying religion as if it were real is like studying dungeons and dragons.
Are you upset we no longer follow the Aesir? What paganism? That tradition was lost. You all are always focusing on the past and becoming too complacent to worry about the future. I hear too many people saying they do not care about GW because God will fix it. History is full of traditions that we no longer follow because we deem them arcane for good reasons. Just because something is a tradition doesn't mean it is good. Should we sacrifice things again?
Dawkins says to Alex ``I`m sorry for you having to do a degree in this kind of thing!`` but you see this is what makes Alex unique, how he is willing to learn and intellectually entertain ideas that he doesn't belief. And that makes him one of the best!
He chose to it ….. what is there to be sorry of?
@@DA-yd2ny "Sorry" as in "it's a shame". Just like I would be sorry if Einstein, instead of physics, had studied old icelandic folktales.
Dawkins is saying that, “He’s sorry” only because he wants to dismiss it as nonsense and move on. He’s sorry that he is having to address this because in his mind it’s all complete foolishness.
@@dward8738 It really confirms that he doesn't know what he is talking about in this subject, that he doesn't care to know, and that any person with a functioning brain should not take his ideas in this subject seriously. The fact that people STILL continue to take Dawkins seriously on this is just depressing. He's a great biologist. He is not a great writer or thinker on religion. His opinion is no more valuable than your friend's in the pub. And yet he's still droning on and on to people who keep lapping it up.
It actually makes him a prize fool !
Very well-conducted discussion
Even as an elderly man Dr. Dawkins is extremely interesting to listen to, his sharp and bright mind is a gift to the human species - he is one of modern times best thinkers.
Sin originally meant to be off the mark, or not true to your character. The idea is that you can fail to recognize your unique, distinctive role in society, in another words to remain unconscious of your self.
I like that, it makes a lot of sense.
Nice comment!
@@user-ti4du8zr9oEverybody is part of another set within society, separate from your own set that you are a member of. Russel's Paradox addresses mathematical sets, but societal sets are family, unions, fellow class members at school, even passengers on a plane are part of a set of travelers @ 36,000 ft above ground. If you're part of a set of folks riding an elevator behind closed doors, it would be a sin to fart.
Do you have any references to share about this? I'd be interested in studying this further.
Hi. The path to this is not direct. I would perhaps start with the myths of creation. Books of Marie Louis von Franz would be, but not exclusively of some help. This subject trully is full of riches and goes beyond, destroying prejudices.@@mary-gael7633
Alex is as sharp as a Samurai's sword. I'm not religious nor am I am atheist but I can definitely appreciate Alex's objectivity, honesty, and assertiveness.
May I ask how come you're not either?
@@driftlock98 I'm not religious because I find a lot of doctrines and dogmas problematic. I'm not an atheist because I see what appears to be intelligent design everywhere, and not necessarily perfect design or a perfect designer. I'm not sure about anything.
You're a deist@@thekendredspirit5771
Over thinkers
It’s shocking to consider how dangerous and destructive the Abrahamic religions are
Some times it seams that the system was designed by someone from the department of motor vehicles. Stand in the right line , fill out the paper work correctly, pay the fees ,take the write test ,take the road test and bob’s your uncle ,you get a license to heaven.
That's human power-seeking, not Christianity.
That's called legalism and is not what Catholicism is. Picture humans as wild dogs roaming the streets. God is inviting us inside his incredible home with a beautiful yard, guranteed food and shelter and all that. But in order to live with God we have to give up some of our wild nature. We can't pee all over the furniture or fight other dogs or bite people.
Some of us aren't willing to give up that wildness and instead rather die painfully in the street. Hell is God saying "ok, you've made your decision and I am honoring your free-will."
@@user-br6ve4lz6n Hence my use of “sometimes it seams” . The fact that my observation has a known “ism” would suggest that it is a valid perception of how some religions conduct their actual on the ground processes. And certainly there are those in the audience,if I may, who behave legalistically. My original comment is not limited to Christianity but rather by human nature.
There is more to grace than a catholic flea bath, to push your analogy.
@@Pocketfarmer1 yea it's a perception of Christianity that many Christians and non-Christians hold, but it's a wrong perception.
What is heaven??
What does this vague meaningless word means .
Creators of religions , the bearded old men , are cheating us with these words.
We use the word "religion" to refer to a wide variety of beliefs. Calling them all "religions" does not at all mean these different beliefs are equivalent or equally plausible
“How do you stand it?” Literally lol’d
It’s not a real subject? What a way to insult someone…
That's what I thought too. And yet he took it like a professional and didn't even consider it to be an insult.
I love Dawkins’ bluntness.
I enjoyed it when he bluntly stated about Evolution that: "It hasn't been observed while it's happening."
I pity his blindness.
@@Nan45566 🙄
@@earlysda. He is a professor of biology.
He believes in evolution.
So how does he explain the missing link?
@@andywong9847andy, so you cannot give evidence of Evolution being observed while it's happening either?
.
Evolution is a faith-based religion for those who choose to forget God.
On the 'a newborn is born into sin' question that's around 4'30-4'50 (i.e. halfway):
I've deliberately stood back and observed my own 'new newborn' who is now 4 years old; I've observed her own behaviours growth and development and that of those in her environment.
What I've observed is that as a natural learning and adapting system that integrates with the environment within which she finds herself (e.g., trying behaviours seen of others that we then have to gently guide her away from): she's learning, and trying. Perhaps the 'born into sin' means 'born into an imperfect environment that contains undesirable mindsets and behaviours' and unless we all - collectively and communally - learn the required mindsets and behaviours to function as a peaceful and harmonized society, we're going to have problems; and if we _do_ know the desired mindsets and behaviours then we can better guide - through leading by example and also through gentle guidance as the new-life begins to explore-through-trying - the newlife.
Loved the pushback Alex gave here.
😂😂😂
@@VOD713 Be smart, use your words. Your low-effort laughing emojis do not bring anything relevant.
@@hagron5702 😂😂😂
@@hagron5702I hope you don’t expect any better from the internet. 😂😂😂
@@hagron5702😂😂😂
You got Dawkins to agree with the idea of being born in sin on a poetic level. Congratulations Alex! 😄
Yes, he's intellectually honest. It's why he's such a great success.
at a poetic level. nota bene.
@@matswessling6600 - Baby steps. You don't expect Dawkins to accept the truth all at once, do you? ;)
@@randyruggles342 he acceots the truth. He doesnt fall for theological nonsens though. and that is a good thing.
@@matswessling6600 - I don't think he accepts the truth. He has admitted that he wouldn't acknowledge the existence of God no matter what evidence he was presented. As a Christian and lover of science myself, I strongly believe in the principle of falsification. There are several scientific discoveries that would cause me to be an atheist (eg, if the universe was eternal, if the multiverse exists, if life on other planets exist). If I were taking to Dawkins, I would suggest that, if he had no way to falsify his unbelief, he hadn't thought about it hard enough. I suspect that would make him mad. But someone in his position should surely have an answer to the question, "What would falsify your unbelief?"
I am pushing 80 years old and heading for the big sleep. (perchance not to dream.) All the BEST!
All the best my good man. Let us know what's after.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!...
@@SamyasaSwiThen do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!...
I turn 92 this year. See all you fellow sinners in the burning hereafter!
Big love to you
Death is lights out. Like going to sleep without dreaming. Being on fire while demons gnaw on your balls for eternity for not loving a Jewish zombie more than my mother is a scare tactic for movers and shakers to make money.
Beautiful comment. And also to gather votes, control the masses, and continue on with their never-ending F holy worz.
When I pointed out to a "Ken Ham" type of theist that he was relying on logical fallacies, he responded by saying that logical fallacies are o.k. when they are used to justify belief in his god.
Logical fallacies, scientific illiteracy, science denial, virtue signaling, and intellectually insulting sophistry demonstrates that a position is not based on reason and evidence, but only on politics.
*"The Truth has nothing to fear from inquiry." -- Matt Dillahunty*
*"As long as people believe in absurdities, people will commit atrocities." -- Voltaire*
Believing in and endorsing a literal Hell is the ultimate perversion.
Indeed
Riiight. Because you have offered anything better? So it's "perversion" (very laughable word when used by anti-theists) based on what?
It is actually childish and disgusting at the same time.Very, very strange combination.I have read Quran recently and it is actually way worse than the Bible.In Quran you have threats by hell on literally every page.Extremly disgusting book.
To teach it to children should be a crime.
@@Darko.Damjanovic "Extremly disgusting book."
Hey, considering modern liberal push for normalising pedophilia, castrations and various other perversions you can think of. Even Quran is better than modern liberalism and leftism...which is funny because even Dawkins IMO realises that and he watsed so much time criticizing Chritianity when it could have been used to focus on West's actual issues.
Professor Dawkins is one of my current heroes of freethought. O'Connor is a new shining star. I was born into the LDS (Mormon) faith, though I am now atheist. Mormons, though as much misguided as any religion, are one of the more (comparatively speaking) intelligent Christian groups. I recently purchased via Ebay a book on the ancient Persian religion of the Avesta (Zarathustra). This religion focuses less on its god (Ahura Mazda -Wise Lord) and more on behavior. Its main teaching is "good thoughts, good words, good deeds". It teaches that we are free to choose our actions but are responsible for all of them. This is far more an enlightening belief than the vulgar bestiality of the Bible. Harrison Cother (The Truth Hurts) is a Jehovah's Witness turned atheist. He made a beautiful comment. "It is better to have questions you can't answer than answers you can't question".
"vulgar bestiality" ... that's a good one...
"Mormons....are one of the more (comparatively speaking) intelligent Christian groups" Sorry I had to laugh. 😂😂
You mean the folks who go around preaching 'Great Apostasy' without a shred of evidence? Sorry, where evidence of such an enormous claim is validated by a 'burning sensation in your bosom'.
Mormons are smarter is a very interesting take. Check out Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, or William Lane Craig. They might change your life.
@@Boldlycatholic I have never heard of Horn or Akin; I shall have to check them out. As for W.L. Craig, he is a most unintelligent man with rather stupid ideas. I have yet to be impressed with anything he has to say. My reference to Mormons being smarter has to do with their numerous universities -BYU -about the globe. So long as a belief; e.g. evolution or the non-Israelite origin of Amerindians, does not contradict with their ideas, they tend to have a fetish for learning. I attended Ricks College -now BYUI -in 83' -87' and was deeply impressed with them, though I was agnostic at the time. (no one knew this.) They also tend to support various school programs and -as I have experienced on both the giving and receiving ends -they have an EXCELLENT welfare program. They also run some medical facilities and teach at these as well.
Saying Mormons are smarter has got to be a joke right? 😆 🤣
The same Mormons who claim the supposed 'Great Apostasy' occured and can provide no evidence for this enormous claim? I mean other than the very objective pain sensation in their chest.
“Jesus was nice, and he wants you to be nice too.”
A Texas saying
No benevolent entity would ever make a trashpit as we now live in. In their book, in Genesis, it says He, god, before he made anything knew all possibilities. If this is so and this is what he picked for his friends, we are actually being treated like enemies, not friends. I could do better than this and I am only human. If I could pick the world I wanted to make for my friends don't you think the highest entity could pick a good world as he could make whatever he wanted? Choices tell others who you really are. If a god, he is totally evil.
I prefer to believe "Shit happens in the universe, just look at the violence out there."
Deep respect for both these men. Thank you!
Your statement is half true and it is deceiving.
One of them is right and the other is wrong.
You are required by conscience to make a choice.
@@andywong9847 how is that connected with the statement above or how does it prove it "half true"? Respecting someone has nothing to do with them being "right" or "wrong" on some issue, at least it absolutely does not have to be. One can respect two people with opposing opinions to each other.
There is nothing wrong with opposing opinions.
The end point is the logic of the opinion.
There is something very genuine about Alex’s quest for Truth that is most admirable, no matter what your religious worldview happens to be. Dawkins does make the occasional concession, but he still seems more pessimistic and reluctant to truly understand the other person’s perspective
When Dawkins said the Old Testament is appalling, Alex quickly shut him down.
@@DozychimpIt is appalling.
Dawkins is a good scientist, but he really overestimates his philosophical train of thought.
Religious people have been misrepresenting and deliberately misunderstanding Dawkins’s discoveries and thoughts for decades. HINT: a selfish gene is not a gene making people selfish.
I agree, we see it clearly when he brings up that he doesnt think that Jesus ever said himself that he's salvation for humans. Dawkins just says "surely he never said that", but Alex actually tries to see it from every perspective to find truht as you say
Sin exists within a moral framework, in general parlance one can sin with an offence, so an offence against whatever moral framework is in place could be construed as a sin and does not require a religious component. This said, while an atheist is clearly non theist, does not mean that he is not religious, believing in the Big Bang does qualify as a believing in supernatural powers, which does meet the dictionary definition of religious, so one could argue that an atheist moral framework is still religious and an offence to this framework could class as sin in a religious manner. I do share the view on "we are born in sin" that Alex presents, to me it means that we are born without such framework which has to be learned.
1:25 John 3.15-16 "Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that all who believe on him may not perish, but may have eternal life."
7:55 Simple answer: Because Thomist Theology is part of the Western Philosophical tradition which built our own civilization within which Dawkins and other atheists have arisen and enjoy the freedom to disagree.
2 Kings 18:1-8 for reference.
2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)
The Israelites were to look up on the snake when bitten to be healed. Not burn incense and worship/pray to the snake for salvation.
What do they or anyone need to be saved from besides religion?
I am always amazed that Alex is such an impressive apologist. He is one of the few atheists that know more scripture than most bible teachers.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!...
He studied a degree in theology lol
@Netomp51 What he gained a Ph.D in and has studied outside of that are two different things.
Theology is just a religious word for mythology no evidence for pagan imaginary beens. I say beens sarcastically instead of beings.
@@lukeriely4468 do you even know what theology covers ?
Title had me thinking Richard Dawkins was the most evil idea in the new testament
There is no evil. There are just good and bad things people do, and that depends on your point of view.
@@entropy5431 yep
@@entropy5431so by that definition their is no good and evil
@@user-jj7ct7yd3s True. All things that happen depend on your point of view.
XDD
I had a pastor in the 1970 who said that original sin was the only imperially provable Christian doctrine. The front page of any news paper was sufficient to prove that we are sinful. The greatest act of love, possible only for the God/man, was Jesus death on the cross to pay, in full, the debt of sin that we all owe. The love of God that was required beggars the imagination.
This man is 83?He looks great!
“That we are born in sin is a hideous idea”.
Human history: hold my beer.
It's funny to me because his philosophy on this can kinda mean that Christians are pessimists and atheists are optimists about human morality.
And now explain why in the face of this human history, not believing in this specific god is the only sin, that cannot be forgiven, while all the other cruelties humans commit can be.
Exactly, but never mind history. Check out the now. If human beings weren't essentially fallen and corrupt (whether you take that theologically or metaphorically), you would expect the world to look quite different. But in fact, it's a seething den of iniquity, saturated with gross injustices that stem from our avarice, power-lust, and violence. Assuming that human nature is good goes against ALL the evidence.
@@TgfkaTrichter if you think you are allowed to do such things while believing in the specific God ,you can be certain your specific God is the wrong God.
@@jensbekaert166 we only know of this specific god, cause his followers have done those things in his name. Without those deed, Christianity would have never become a big thing.
Also if you believe you are doing gods will, then everything is allowed, this is also clearly shown in human history and can still be witnessed today.
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" - words of a guy who knows he has to die for everyone else, and will not really die since he's the guy he's talking to
Only Jesus never did claim in the buybull that he was actually god, just the son of god, therefore destroying the Christian argument for the trilogy.
@betabenga, also, there are no talking snakes then and now ever! No loving merciful God condemns his creation, to misery, suffering, torture and there are no ever been a talking snake.End Of Story People, Sheesh!
Anything can be reduced. "A mother weeping over her slaughtered child" - atoms clunking together in mechanistic ways, producing biological reactions.
@@Lala33-3 What evidence is that?
@@Lala33-3 There is no evidence 😮
Falling short doesn't mean "sin". It means we haven't practiced enough. Practice more. Have people point out your mistakes and errors. And gradually one is more successful at living one's ideals.
I very much appreciate your work, @Alex O'Conner, thank you for all of this. Hope to have a conversation with you like this one day.
Having read a couple books on psychology and parenting, I think the idea of saying "most Christians wouldn't consider a baby as responsible for sin" truly misunderstands just how many Christians spank their children before the age of 4 for exactly that reason. "Spare the rod, spoil the child" is an immediate extention of the logic that a baby is born in sin.
Without sin, a baby is no more sinning by crying, stealing or hitting than it is sinning by it's failure to perform well on a calculus test. A baby sinning by our definition is actually a baby behaving in the exact developmental state it evolved into over generations. Without the ability to talk, it whines, criess, and takes in order to keep its mom close and accrew every resource it's able to while it's growing.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!..
Well there is the little thing of Christians commending their god for Buring babies to death at Sodom.
My favourite part of the Bible is where Jesus goes into the desert for 40-days 40-nights and someone who wasn't there writes all about it.
The Holy Babble = BS.
what is wrong with that part?
@@atticusboman4444 : So all hearsay then.
@@HonduranHoneymoonhon : It's all just an old fairy-tale.
@@DavidRobinson-rj2sphearsay doesn’t necessarily equate to falsehood. If you have a God incarnate, a morally perfect being, as the one to narrate that “hearsay”, would you still doubt it? Perhaps, but only if you didn’t believe He is God in the first place.
@@Ikthus Considering that this wasn't written down until hundreds of years after the alleged event, hearsay becomes Chinese Whispers becomes fallacious.
The whole idea of a god is so insane that I can't comprehend how anyone with a good education and a functioning brain could possibly belive there is. There is zero evidence, other than heresay or lunatics saying they communicate with god. There is no such thing as sin. There are laws, but no sins.
😎😎😎 and it is a sin to observe most of the laws 😂😂😂😂
If you are sincerely interested in why so many of us with multiple grad degrees who have examined the evidence critically for decades believe you might consider Stephen Meyer's book The Return of the God Hypothesis.
"it's not a real subject is it". the most dawkins statement ever
Yes, he claimed that it was evil, and when Alex showed it was not he just dismissed it. Very smart and honest.
Yea cause he is the arbiter of what's real or not...
@@chakvetadze9169 > Alex showed it was not
No, he didn't. He just gave a more reasonable interpretation, with no attempt to argue that it had anything to do with the intended meaning.
@@AlexanderShamov So, here is what's going on: He claimed something about the bible, then when someone engaged his point just stopped talking about it. The point was it was evil not whether or not it was true. You are not even trying to argue a point while claiming something about 2000-year-old theology. And the same time claiming you guys are men of reason and rationality. It is just hilarious.
@@chakvetadze9169 What's hilarious is debating over unverifiable nuances of meaning in some ancient fairy tale, making up strictly modern interpretations and then acting like that's what was meant from the beginning. As if people from those primitive ancient cultures would even understand these ideas, let alone invent them themselves. Now, Alex doesn't really do that last part, he just points at an idea some Christians substitute for these barbaric teachings. Which is nice, but it has nothing to do with the Bible. It's still evil.
Alex always talks in a reasoned and respectful manner, Richard always comes across as if he looks down on anyone who doesn't agree with him.
Well if you debate 2IQ potatoes your whole life like R. dawkins did you will develop some arrogance lol. Its impossible to maintain humility in that environment.
Similarly if you debate intellectuals and get schooled your whole life, you will learn to speak cautiously with everyone.
Its just how our environment shapes our personality.
@@maalikserebryakov He's not quite as arrogant when he debates someone like John Lennox, it's quite interesting.
How can one not disdain ignorance? "I'm stupid but demand respect." ? NO. Learn what's going on.
You just described modern day atheists.
@@maalikserebryakovI don't think you know much about scientific development and research, Dawkins is not a respected scientist and his arguments are so lazy even here. He runs from philosophy because he sucks at it. Even though the scientific method has underlying philosophical assumptions. Dawkins book the god delusion, is kindergarten level stuff for serious thinkers
Where can I watch the entire interview?
UA-cam
he points out a link at the end 🙂
You hear a crash in the next room , you go in and there’s a 3 year old
and a broken vase on the floor , and you ask
who broke this , the kid
says I don’t know , did you brake it , no , well who did ? I don’t know .
A 3 year old can lie like
a politician ! That pretty much sums it up , if we’re not born sinners
it doesn’t take long to
prove we are !
I am an atheist, but I think there is some wisdom in believing that humans are born in 'sin' (I would use the word 'corruptible'). The more we value humans individually, the less we value humans collectively.
This is more a Psychological subject (Critic Philosophy) than a religious subject (Speculative Philosophy).
@@antonius_006 True, but they intersect. Religion is an amalgamation of observations from many fields.
@@cerdic6586 who has science (History of compared religions is part of Analytical Psychology) doesn' t need religion or atheism (because they are bias).
@@antonius_006 Bias does not necessarily rule out the possibility of some truths co-existing beneath the surface.
When a Cuckoo pushes it’s competitors out of the nest, is it sinning? We’ve developed a brain, that enables us to exploit situations to our advantage. Vicarious learning accelerates it. We do it daily-constantly. Through education and example, we are are able to modify our behaviour, developing personal principles of appropriate behaviour. Some will abide to these principles more than others. Our upbringing and experiences may impact whether we do “bad” things. Sometimes we do them because we can. Sometimes we can get better. That’s the wonderful thing about being human-you can stop being an arsehole and improve. No God is required.
You both played major roles in my conversion from religion. A much greater chunk of life suddenly makes sense. Thank you.
That’s awesome to hear!
I wish I had access to this kind of material when I was younger, so I wouldn’t have felt so lost and alone in rejecting the idea of a god some 40+ years ago. Alex, Richard, and so many others have brought so much reason, so much knowledge, and so much a sense of normalcy to those of us who aren’t willing to hold onto these superstitions and myths we were brainwashed with as children.
The real brain washing is to the fore now! More and more people just accept evolution now as fact, even though they haven't studied it, which is what evolutionists in their arrogance rely on. Arrogance! Yes it's a strong word to use but it is, because despite the fact that life cannot come from nonliving matter, it is presented as been proven, of course there is also plenty of people who say that they are Christian yet nod in agreement with evolutionists!
@@DaveTexas More Americans feel lost today than ever. The new atheists stripped everything from society that made life worth living.
dawkins doesthe opposite for me lol
In Hebrew, Jesus' name, Yeshua, literally means salvation or rescue. The focus of this salvation is rescue from slavery, that is bondage to captivity, oppression and death.
I'm not sure if you've considered that sin (failure to love someone perfectly), transgression (to break a law) and iniquity (to act immorally or unfairly) is actually more focussed on how your actions affect other people and not so much focussed on the self?
I can recall a time when I was about 4 or 5 and I lied to my mum about feeling ill so that I didn't have to go to school. I recall at the time feeling a little deceitful. Looking back, I think that was sin, and it proves to me that sin was within me at an early age. When did this sin begin in me? - after birth, at birth, before birth?
It’s a perception. Imagine if the rules said you never had to go to school! Therefore you wouldn’t have had to make up a lie to get to the good feeling you desired which was to stay home.
You see, someone (mom, dad, the state) set up some rules that you didn’t get to contribute to. So it’s a perception that you felt bad based on things that were out of your control! Does it mean you were a sinner at a young age? I thinks there’s a difference between deception and sin!
Definitely after birth when your brain was able to decide what you wanted to do or not do and what you liked or not liked.
I don’t always agree with you Cosmic Skeptic but I can see why you continuing on this path is beneficial to many people both Christian and atheist alike, you represent our side to the other side very well that it makes them think and vice versa, if anything it pushes for a mutual understanding of each others views so as to help both sides not talk over each other, God bless
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!...
The more of Alex O'Connor's videos I watch, the more I notice how he panders to the Christian idea that there is a God. Dawkins was very tolerant of the mental gymnastics in this clip. I can't agree that O'Connor represents atheists well.
He'll spend his whole life trying to undermine the subconscious frictions between the self and religion. And then when you ask him about gender he suddenly turns into a dogmatic christian.
People sure are weird.
The idea that we are born in sin , and accepting that , is actually a way of accepting our imperfect condition. We are born in sin , we are not born saints or perfect , rather we grow striving towards it. Its a beautiful idea , it just requires some humbleness:))
This "sin" is still somewhat better described with what we know about human bias, particularly the ones hard coded into how all brains works. (Facial recognition, and assigning personalities to faces.)
See, viewing it as a bias to overcome, is noble betterment. We should strive to help others, rather than hurt.
But sin implies that we are correcting misdeeds, that being biased in the first place is sin, regardless of if we act on it and hurt people or not. When in actuality, only choosing to STAY biased, which is then prejudice, is the harmful choice. (Among other forms of bias like willful ignorance, making excuses, TEACHING people to be sexist / racist, etc.)
It's a pretty small difference, but it IS important to distinguish those who make honest mistakes, from those who relish in treating people unfairly. And the way religion uses sin, is designed to blur the lines on what is hurtful, and malicious.
You can see this easily with LGBT+ allies: most people will be nice and understanding if you don't know the right ways to talk about sensitive topics. So long as you aren't trying to outlaw people.
I wouldn't call a well meaning individual sinful or prejudiced, not for the mistakes they where taught to make. We blame those who teach the methods of hate. (Tbf, I do make mistakes too, so I might. But like, that's what I AM talking about here. You know?)
There are a lot of differences and similarities between what is natural ignorance, and TAUGHT misconceptions that make it hard to talk about this accurately. Or I don't know enough on the subject.
Not sure I worded this well...
Loved Richard's pushback on you here so much and I think the concept of original sin and even sin itself is worthy of a lot more curiosity and interrogation. An interrogation which could be the jumping off point of some truly fascinating and beautiful conversations. Looking forward to listening to the full conversation.
Dawkins acts a little dense here. Does he not see the relationship between sin and a baby who has no morals yet, who only thinks of its own needs, who would take things that belong to others, because it does not know any better, etc.?
@@itoibo4208I believe his view is that in order to be immoral you have to have intent.
I remember I was young in sunday school when they taught me about Sodom and Gomorrah. That's when I started thinking. The bible was a guide for immorality, not for morality.
No, it was showing what not to do. Don’t be fucked up like Sodom. They did some real fucked up shit.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!..
Of course is a book of Morality enoght godless alone trash people lies.... God will take care about you and your lies as well. No respect for you
perhaps you should read Ezekiel 16: 49-49. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was not sodomy. it was inhospitality to strangers (along with worshiping false idols). .
@@FriendofDorothy it wasn’t just inhospitality, they did absolutely brutal things. In Sodom, you weren’t allowed to help out the poor. Once there was a young girl who tried to give bread to a poor man in secret but the people found out. They tied her to a wall, covered her with honey, and they released bees on her. They ate her up
The question of "How could you stand doing a theology degree" arose in my mind too the first time I knew about Alex. It would drive me nuts.
No think of it as a study in philosophy. Religions are just frameworks of thought (and these frameworks evolve) concerning human existence and how the universe works with respect to that existence. These theological frameworks are similar to mathematics in that they often assume many axiomatic (and unprovable) ideas as a formation.
Well know thy enemy surely?
Do you actually know what is involved in studying Theology? Its not just sitting reading the Bible. In fact Christian thought was a very small part of my degree. The rest included Philosophy, Feminist Theology, Feminist Philosophy. I specialised in Buddhism. All of it was absolutely fascinating. My degree is also in English Literature which fitted perfectly with Theology as it is important to know theological and philosophical ideas when studying texts. Does Dawkins think studying English Literature a waste of time too?
It’s not that we are “born” in sin. No infant is guilty of sin. We are born spiritually dead. Born alive physically but dead to God. Adam was created in the image of God, and he died in the very moment that he sinned, but his death was a spiritual death. The spirit of God that was breathed into him upon his creation departed making him a dead being. As a result humanity is born into this world in the image of Adam. Jesus’ death was for the forgiveness of sins for all humanity but it is through faith that we receive His spirit and are made alive to God. Hence, being born again.
It's rather naive to think humans aren't both good and bad. And Dawkins' argumentation : "I don't like this idea, thus it can't be true" is moronic.
Goes to show some atheists will NEVER accept the reality of a God no matter how much logic you shove down their throats. Oh well, original sin.
God and Satan are just how humans defined the extremes of their morality. We are drawn to sin because of nature's design: we are animals that kill, reproduce and destroy to survive like all lifeforms.
“I’m sorry for you having to do a degree in this kind of thing” 💀
That was inappropriate: anybody can study anything. They do not have to adhere. The selfish gene does not exist as we know now. :)
You have not read the book or you would not have made such a truly stupid comment.
I knew a guy who studied history once I thought what a waste he could have studied anything been anything! 🤦🏻♂️
What does this post mean?@@dannybarr-qk9ly
At least there is hope for Alex. It's too bad that when Dawkin was presented by the idea that human could have "fall short" of the higher standard, he simply refused to consider the idea (perhaps, he must have think highly of himself) and patronized Alex for studying in theology.
"Thomists are equally ignorant of Aboriginal theology, or Bantu theology, or Papua New Guinean theology"
The ironic thing is, assuming he is talking about aboriginal Australians, all these people groups are now Christian. Their theology is Christian theology.
Great conversation. Love that table cloth!
Of course nobody's perfect, but the problem with the idea of "sin" is that it says everyone deserves to go to hell for it.
Right, I hate the baggage that the word "sin" has. I prefer evil or shortcomings.
The concept that no one is perfect and infalliable is a decent one
The concept that you are a worthless pos who needs to beg the abuser to help you or you will suffer the consequences, is abusive
they are two completely different concepts and I lost a lot of respect for Alex when he conflated the two
@@charimonfanboy Exactly my thought! I was thinking that something didn't sound right about Alex's argument when trying to convey the idea of sin from birth in secular terms - because the secular idea of infalliablity is completely different from the abusive 'you're worthless unless you believe, rever and pray to me' of Christianity.
He made the opposite of a strawman argument while playing the devil's advocate which stumped the old Dawkins.
Unfortunately it seems like his core audience is way too 'rational and intellectual' to be able to identify these basic mistakes Alex sometimes makes in his videos, be they atheist, agnostic or theist. You can often see a certain disdain from Alex's core audience when it comes to figures like Dawkins and other 'anti-theists' and I'm not trying to defend him as a better person or intellectual, I have no opinion on that but they certainly do.
I think that if you are to play the devil's advocate you should atleast present the argument in an accurate way to what 'the devil' believes. Don't give them credit for making a better argument they never made but you made on their behalf.
You only go to hell if you do not repent of sin since God, Jesus Christ, died for you so you don't have to go to hell.
@YourStylesGeneric321 one of the most despicable lies in history
Dawkins’ reaction at 3:13 to a perfectly decent (and in my opinion correct) point is very telling. Completely dodged the question, lashed out.
What does it tell
"Human nature is inherently sinful and the only way to redeem yourself is to believe in a specific doctrine" was the dogma Dawkins was discussing. Alex's response of "well maybe sin just refers to human nature" is a frustratingly dumb response. It doesn't address the second part of the dogma and it frames basic human behaviour as problematic. He is a grumpy old man but I don't blame him for insulting theology.
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever! .
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!. .
@@y5angerThen do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!...
R. Dawins was a bit rude when he asked Alex how could he spend so much time studying theology. lol. The idea that people are born in sin meaning they are born with a predisposition to do imoral things is interesting, but I don't think the guys that came up with the idea of sin really meant that, they meant litteraly sins. Even so, Iet's suppose it's about this predisposition, then the sacrifice is to save us from what?From something that is not even your fault because you are born with it?
Over the centuries how many people argued about this topic must be monumental l know l go through it many times when speaking to a believer of this written text
Richard seems so closed off to any debate whys he even podcasting
Better than trying to rile up and confuse a bunch of college kids like apologetic street preachers do.
@@socialsigh at least theyre open to debate
My wife, our young daughters and I are extremely fortunate to live in a secular country where it’s a crime to expose our children to the bible in our schools. Religion has no impact on our daily lives but, as parents, we have a real responsibility to be watchful on their behalf.
Oh don’t worry they’re exposed to a lot other ideologies
@@steved5960 Happily not, all religions are treated equally.. It’s equally criminal and career ending for any teacher to expose our children to any religious text in our schools. My wife was head teacher at our daughters’ school, where taking a religious text into her school would be treated exactly the same as taking in child pornography or a weapon. Religious extremists have as little chance of being employed as teachers, as do convicted sex offenders and the situation has never arisen.
@@anushkasekkingstad1300 not talking about religion my friend, but ideologies. I was born and raised in a very secular country and I can tell you that kids are not free from brainwashing. By the way would you consider kids being taught atheism in school as acceptable?
@@steved5960 Religions are the most dangerous and undesirable of ideologies. All indoctrination of children is illegal here. The vast majority of our population is atheist but atheism isn’t a subject that can be taught. Some 30 years ago, my wife and I were fortunate as schoolgirls to be among the first to be spared religious indoctrination at school. Despite it not being actively taught, without being subjected to religious indoctrination, children remain free to think for themselves and tend to stay clear of the ignorant nonsense that is religion.
@@steved5960 Atheism isn’t an ideology, by the way. Quite the opposite ~ It’s the absence of an ideology for which there is absolutely no evidence.
I believe it was Paul who invented the Christian theology, having read the whole Bible from cover to cover twice.
I also studied theology whilst not being religious. Engaging with religious arguments is really interesting
Dawkins: offers an opinion on NT theology
Alex: gently critiques it
Dawkins: “I can’t stand theology, let’s move on.”
As well he should! It is irrelevant to all life on the planet. It is phrenology.
Likely the Holy Spirit moving Dawkins to get nervous because Dawkins doesnt want to understand. thanks
Understand what, exactly? Can you tell me why the theology of Christianity is more interesting than the theology of the John Frum cult? Both study imaginary friends. Dawkins can study RNA instead: that has real outcomes, not imaginary ones.@@joman388
@@oldpossum57 My own view is that you should try to understand something before offering a critique of it. Otherwise, your critique will be ineffectual. That's why Alex is a far better critic of Christianity than Richard. He at least understands, to some extent, the thing he's trying to critique.
In a different segment of this interview, Dawkins asks why christian theologians do not know anything about the theology of other religions or cults. From Dawkins’s POV they all have an equal demand on our time as hypothèse without empirical content. Alex has to concede that point. How many religions are there currently? Must Dawkins study each of them before he is able to say that they have no empirical content? I think that is entirely unreasonable. No religion makes predictions that can be tested, so why bother, especially if you could be doing productive work. It would be like sifting beach sand looking for a cancer cure.
And I have to say the arrogance of christians and Muslims, when their religions are rejected as empty hypotheses, is really hard to take.@@johndeighan2495
This illustrates the point that interviews don't have to be direct question and direct answer. At some points, it seemed they were veering off but it all actually made sense. Also a testament to Alex's interviewing skills.
What Alex conveys is a greater humanity and sensitivity than Dawkins does but let's face it, they both are critical of Christianity and religion. Alex is just a cool less emotional guy than Dawkins. Probably they both are most critical of religions that threaten hell to nonbelievers. I understand from going on religious sites that they give no respect and mock Agnostics. Part of this could be they feel they may find another step on the stairway to heaven by trying to convert as many nonbelievers as they can.
Part could be that Jesus wants terrible things to happen to nonbelievers and he is the pathway for believers to adopt that sickening mindset. I have to fear the moderator or AI on here for just saying what I feel. You may not find it wrong. I wonder how anyone can not think it's wrong of Jesus. Good luck to you, and of course I have no idea how you feel about Agnostics or Atheists.
Do you really think Jesus wants terrible things for non-believers? You said so l must assume you mean it.
But how can a loving God want that for his children. You wouldn't want it for your children so why do you think God would want non believers to go to hell.
Not that it isn't true that non believers will go to hell but rather that God does not want that to be the case the choice is ours. So if anyone goes to hell it's not because God choose it for them.
Isaiah 59:2
2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
It doesn't make sense to think God wants non believers to go to hell unless you think God isn't loving in that case that is your opinion. The bible says Good is love why does your statement contradict this fact.
If you as a parent had a kid and you happened to be a good judge and your kid was charged for murder wouldn't you find every means by which you could acquit your child from the prosecution without circumventing the law itself.
Isn't that why they call God a merciful God? The cross is God's way of saving his people from the condemnation of the law but sin is the transgression of the law and the soul that sins must die. To make this shorter not that it's short.
If Jesus didn't die we would all be condemned by the law to hell. I want to speak more about hell but l leave it for another time because l can see you have some contentions with Christians who preach hell fire without love or at least you perceive they do it from an unloving place.
Why would God want sinners to go to hell
I know you and l are not Israelites but there's no difference between Jews and Gentiles. See the Verse below
Why Will You Die, Israel?
10 “And you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, Thus have you said: ‘Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we rot away because of them. How then can we live?’ 11 Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?
@@user-ti3cc6dg2r When I read the bible it so full of contradictions when taken literally or figuratively. I see little evidence of a merciful god, just a lot of talk.
Scripture’s teaching is that all who die in their sins will immediately go to hell/Hades, where they will remain, conscious of their misery and despair, until summoned before God at the Great White Throne Judgment. These, who rejected God’s mercy, must face His wrath, and they are eventually judged and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15).
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
"They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
@@user-ti3cc6dg2r Calls a non Jewish woman a dog when she wants him to heal her sick daughter, says he's only been sent here to help the Jews, only when she begs and calls herself a dog does he help (does the miracle anyway but is still is a dick about it) Matthew 15:21-28
Calls people hypocrites and fools and then says not to call people fools or they'll go to hell. Matthew 5:22, Matthew 23:17
Gets anointed with expensive oil and fed by his disciples and people despite not working he's just walking around preaching. When someone suggests that they sell the oil to the poor he says the poor will be there forever you've only got me today!! Matthew 26:6-13, Mark 14:3-9, Luke 7:36-50, John 12:1-8 has this woman kissing his feet and crying on them to cleanse her sins, this is very reminiscent of egotistical cult leaders like Jim Jones and Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who would have people pampering them
Just a very small sampling.
@@user-ti3cc6dg2r Yes because I read it in the bible. he preaches about hell and that people that don't believe in him are going to hell. John 3:36, Revelation 21:8 Scripture’s teaching is that all who die in their sins will immediately go to hell/Hades, where they will remain, conscious of their misery and despair. His wrath .. and they are eventually judged and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15).
"this is my body broken for you, this is my blood" the last super is metaphorically stated as his awareness that he will soon be sacrifices and that his life and death was to save those who believe in his name and on his words. again, this statement is his way of stating that he is the savior.
If your god killed his only son for your sins, why can’t he kill his arch-enemy Satan for your sake? Let that sink in.
@@ga6589 Who says He can't?
@@MrCuriousOnlooker If he can, why hasn't he? What the hell is he waiting for? If I were an all-powerful god that could do anything, I would destroy evil, cure cancer, and end all the suffering in the world right this minute. That's the difference between me and your god.
@@ga6589 So, basically, you think disapproval == disproof?
@@MrCuriousOnlooker Not at all. There are many things that I disapprove of, but are quite real and evidentiary, whether it's drivers who don't yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk or child abusers.
I simply reject any and all god claims as there's no credible or verifiable evidence that one exists. I was commenting on the absurd and contradictory nature of the god presented in the Bible. I certainly don't believe he exists and find it bizarre that people choose this particular psychopathic and violent god to appeal to and worship. IMO, it's not logical.
An interesting and respectful discussion.
I think in religions (as in all human organisations) there is wheat and chaff. It seemed to me that you are identified a lot of chaff! I think it’s very helpful to point out some of the weaknesses in much religious thought.
As a scientist, I’m very surprised that Richard seems to have such a strong faith in science. Surely all truth is contingent?
The science taught in 1000 years may be very different from what we believe today.
As a believer, I liked the video; seeking the truth through respectful debate, is very helpful, I think. And important in our divided world.
Searching for the truth in circles …. No one has a clue what is going on …. Debate, discussion, it doesn’t matter, no one knows what this reality is all about , no one !
I found one man that knows what is going on. Rabbi Tovia Singer. Give him a try. He is a wise man and a nice Guy.
@@binderdundit228 thank you - I do know him yet in my view this is all a mystery and humanity is not being included in this discussion. No one knows honestly. That is my personal conclusion obviously.
Maybe some of these guys can help with good ideas:
Lao Tzu (Te Tao Ching, Modern Library)
Eugen Herrigel (Zen in the Art of Archery)
Mauro Biglino
Reza Aslan
Robert D. Hare
Carl Jung (Basic Writings, Modern Library)
Jeanne Avery (The Rising Sign)
John Maynard Keynes
@@antonius_006 I agree with you - they all believe what they believe, as we do , yet no evidence no facts ….
I think youd find that truly no one does know whats going on- and that IS the position of Atheism or Agnosticism. Christianity attempts to claim they "know whats going on" whereas the scientific conclusion is that we don't know whether or not a god exists
I remember seeing a clip recently where an atheist (I think it was Dawkins) said he couldn't accept any evidence for the existence of "God". He basically said that he would consider himself insane or hallucinating if such evidence appeared. And while I agree with Kierkegaard's argument that living life as a human being requires some form of Faith, I find the rejection of any evidence for the existence of God or even a "spiritual realm" rather narcissistic. I understand it to mean that Dawkins and others like him are the final arbiters of moral and intellectual realities and any evidence to the contrary must be rejected by others. This may be true in their own mind but doesn't necessarily hold true for the rest of humanity. Also, Dawkin's form of argumentation just appears to be that anything that the Bible says that he doesn't understand or can't interpret must be "evil" and must be rejected out of hand and that seems the height of egotism.
Tend to agree with your summation.
One of the problems here is that two different understandings of "evidence" get conflated. One is that of scientific evidence and the other is more like the evidence presented in a courtroom. While they are related they aren't identical, and I think that guys like Dawkins, being a scientist, ignore the distinction. With metaphysics, no matter what form it takes, you're never going to have a slam dunk argument one way or the other, if you limit your evidence to the "scientific."
@@robgrano6814 The atheist in the video I referenced said the if he saw physical evidence written across the sky among the stars he would assume he was insane or hallucinating. He just rejected the idea that there is any evidence for the proof of God. His rationale seemed to be that since God doesn't exist then there can be no acceptable evidence that proves God does exist. He has drawn a conclusion without accepting even the possibility that there could be proof to the contrary. The inverse of most rational and scientific arguments as I understand them.
I hope one day dawkin's opens his heart to the truth instead of being so full of contempt for it, the way he talks about us all being sinners like "You would dare say im not perfect!" I mean honestly i respect Alex cause he seems genuine in his agnosticism but richard's attitude towards christianity and religion in general is just kind of sad to watch
The whole "Believe in Jesus and you'll be saved" was a Paulian idea. Paul never met Jesus.
3:12 Dawkins can't admit that he is not able to answer the question and that perhaps Alex has a point here, and instead basically says that the whole subject (and Alex' degree) is stupid.
Definitely a pull down. Showed a lot of maturity the levelled response.
He did answer the question. Clearly he thinks the idea of original sin is hideous. Try to keep up rather than trying to twist things.
@@gavinmcewen5896 2:50 Alex argued: "... not all Christians would say that a newborn baby is born in sin in the sense that they are responsible for it. It's more like [the're] born with a propensity towards sinning, which I imagine you would agree with; that newborn babies, even though they haven't committed immoral acts yet, they're born with this sort of this human nature, which has a predisposition towards doing things that fall short of our moral standards, maybe."
It seemed Dawkins couldn't answer, and instead decided to say :"I am sorry for you to having to do a degree in this kind of thing ... its not a real subject is it?""
It's hard to disagree with the point that we do seem to be born with a predisposition or propensity "towards doing things that fall short of our moral standards".
I don't think I am twisting things.
That being said, I personally don't agree with the Christian/Protestant idea that humanity is totally broken - at least this is the Protestant/Evangelical idea of Original Sin - the Catholics on the other hand think humanity - or the "image of God" in humanity - isn't broken, but stained, which I think is a much nicer view,
(though I am an apostate / ex Catholic myself and don't believe the Christian dogmas in the Creed to be (literally) true. In my view they are myths).
But I do think that on some level there is something good and pure in all beings that can neither be broken nor stained, that we are basically good on some deeper level, but that we somehow have lost contact with that part of our being.
But I guess this is a kind of religious thought, too ... and I can't prove it.
@@mailillthe idea of good and evil is man made made, its doesn't exist in nature, its just a way to explain the world created in pre enlightened times.
@@snowflakemelter1172 Don't forget we (humans) _are_ a part of nature. If something is man made, it means it exists in nature, even when we talk about our moral instincts (one could argue moral instincts are not man made) or our evolved cultural "intersubjective truths" or about good and evil (based on the moral instincts).
Edit: clarification
Loved Dawk the scientist Selfish Gene was life changing for me, but non of his religious tracts/pronouncements have meant a fat lot...
I most like the Blind Watchmaker
Nice discussion. Thanks.
We and everything is "perfect" the way it is. We are constantly evolving not just physically but spiritually/morally as well. Most of us not aware of this fact, because the process is very, very slow.
Everything is as it should be.
2 Thimothy 2:24-25 "A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people's hearts, and they will learn the truth."
So, you don't need to *argue* with people.
Argument isn’t inately aggressive.
To make mistakes is a human thing , to learn from our mistakes and trying our best to become a better person is a high standard for all humans , striving to become a better person.
Learning …. learning to forgive our shortcomings. learning to forgive ourselves and others.
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Why should I forgive, if mistakes are human?
Forgiveness is not for mistakes, People misuse that word, Mistakes mean you did not intend that outcome
And?
Moral standards differ not only in this country but in just about every other country. Mankind is his own worse enemy.
Yes,we are all born into sin. No one taught us to lie, to steal, to be selfish, to be greedy, to be deceitful. Your parents taught you to share, to be honest, to be nice, kind, considerate to others. We definitely need saving from sin. To think that you are nice and that people are nice by virtue of being human I recommend that you look around you; listen to the news and reconsider your views.
I was really offended when I learned at an early age what original sin was supposed to mean.
What it supposed to mean?
What makes you offended?
That I was born onto sin, without the ability to comprehend what "sin" was. When I learned what sin was, I knew that wasn't me and was offended that I would be judged so.@@Jocky8807
@@Jocky8807 Did Adam ask you before he ate the apple?
So why any burden on you?
It's an abs-ur-d1ty.
@truthdoesntcomeeasy743 it's a genetic inheritance
@@truthdoesntcomeeasy743 original sin does not mean that.
It means we are born with tendency to sin (I don't think you can argue with that). So whoever live that day in the garden, he/she would do the same. That tendency has seed in our heart even when we are baby.
Nobody does not need to teach 2 years old how to lie. She already has tendency to do that. And she does, she sin.
Adam means man or mankind (in Hebrew). Does not necessary mean 1 single man (though many churches interpret that way).
The difference between Alex and Richard is stark. Where Alex shows an openmindedness to explore, engage and even admire schools of thought with which he doesn’t agree, Richard displays a close mindedness similar to that of any genre of fundamentalist.
He's the proverbial old dog that isn't going to learn any new tricks.
You people are ridiculous.
indeed
Or maybe hes just heard ALL the flawed reasoning for evidence or ALL the excuses for justifying horrendous evil
I am not sure you fully understand this difference, despite your confidence in it. This positive open mindedness you attribute to the situation is clearly because you favour it.
It has no meaning. It has no context. You are not stating anything specific. Why is it always positive to be open minded - to any and all things? You challenge yourself, you test and challenge your own reasoning and conclusions for years and years.
Why is it positive to be “open minded” to an idea that isn’t worth entertaining? Or is it just your idea that is worth it?
The Old Testament's "Eye for an eye" was to make revenge equal which was a progression on "unlimited / everlasting revenge".
Jesus came with "turn the other cheek" which was a new progression.
I'm sure the rabbi who preached around Judea two thousand years ago would agree with dawkins. This idea became a central doctrine after his death and does not align with traditional Jewish beliefs at the time.
If human beings weren't essentially fallen and corrupt (whether you take that theologically or metaphorically), you would expect the world to look quite different. But in fact, it's a seething den of iniquity, saturated with gross injustices that stem from our avarice, power-lust, and violence. Assuming that human nature is good goes against ALL the evidence.
Human nature is just a product of it's enviroment... look at a person whom has had evrything they could wish for in their life ,usually they are the most loving ppl ever ...
Now look at our history which is our previous enviroment and it isn't so weird that after dealing with 100s of thousands of years of an enviroment which basicly tries to kill us any time anywhere that we still behave as violent and selfisch as we where in those times ,allbeit in more sophisiticated ways.
This rather good enviroment we have today ,is extremely new compared to the times we had hostile enviroment so the reality of it still has to settle in ... I believe eventually we as humanity will behave morally as you see now individuals whom "have it good" usually act morally.
Yet there is clear evidence of what's good with people. If you are looking only for the bad, you're going to find it, no doubt. But then you're also apt to miss the positives. The same is true with children. If you're only going to notice the negative things they do, they will respond accordingly.
You have a cheery outlook on things, don't you? I see the vast majority of people as being essentially good with occasional moral failings. Human systems however, religious organizations, governments etc... seem to fall short more often.
Human beings CAN be good, there's no question about that, obviously. I agree that there's plenty of evidence for that. But they can only be good if they are able to tame and restrain their instincts, which continually seek to dominate the psyche. That's the way in which I mean that human nature is evil. Basic instincts are constantly trying to overtake the individual. The desire for security leans toward avarice, sustenance toward gluttony, companionship toward lust, etc. Balanced instincts are developed by a discipline that tames human nature. Goodness is learned, not innate.
Would you say human nature is more shown in a human whom isn't lacking one of those compared to one whom is ?
cause i would say that when none of those are lacking ,only then you can see truly what human nature is ,which almost no1 lives a life where nothing is lacking but it seems to me that those whom lack the least of those things are also kinder and better people ...
Thus i would say those things you describe are not really human nature but rather what happens to humans when things are lacking ,thus their enviroment rather then their nature...
I mean ,is it the nature for a tree to burn ? no ,unless his enviroment provides fire ...
My old hero and my new hero lol
Then do not tell me this is not a sick cult with godless ass kissers and godless alone trash people that are so obsessed with what other believe and the reflection of other people believe. No respect for those sick godless people.
For Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … you are just empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constantly fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty BS cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liars as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)... this godless alone trash generation is the worst... Let's hope we can forget about them and have a better one. No respect for them and their stupid empty cult called atheism...... Godless weak people (you are weaker now and later ponce you will confront God, no matter what you sick people think about him)........... They do not deserve any respect, with their godless alone trash family who raised so trashy and sick to deny God. (and they will also pay fgor it, soon or later......... They got No God and no Dignity... something dies inside them when they stop to believe in God, but their are so patetic to admit... Soon or later they will stop to write empty shit on youtube about what we believe... Why? They are very weak, and quickly to change their mind about God... they are worthless people just like their empty atheism... but surelly they can not call theirselves atheists, but godless alone weak trash people. No respect for those liers or disgusting godless desperate ass kissers.... /they need to slpit on their dirthy mouth every morning as they deny God... but they are deceiving none but themselves, as they will paid for it, and be judge by God once death as anyone alse. (So it is better to be a son of God,m that a godless alone weak person).
It is time to theow on the trash atheims (where it belong) and forget about this generation (have better people then them). God will take care about them as well, and I won't be in the place of those godless weak alone people and disguasting godless ass kisses...... They lost any dignity, denying God, no doubt about that........ No God, no dignity for them, the worst generation ever!...
The problem you godless alone weak ass kissers is that when you die it will not this idiot to judge you but God, so you should change your hero, and come back to God (no respect for you)