Much rather have/be one who can solve complex problems without prior knowledge instead of a walking encyclopedia, we have google for that. Also, crystalized and fluid intelligence are related.
@@stello61 that is real intelligence. Not a trash can memory. Real intelligence is, atleast for me, being able to have deep thoughts, while at the same time being a fast thinker with an open mind.
@@stello61 Being very intelligent but not at all knowledgeable isn't useful.. You solve problems by connecting the dots. The dots are data. Knowledge. If there is insufficient data you can't solve a problem. Doesn't matter how fast you do it. The only thing people with high intelligence and low knowledge are good for is making up conspiracy theories.
I have a host of disabilities, slow learner, ADD, week short term memory, mild dyslexia and I think i'm "on the spectrum" too. Took me many decades to discover this. College was almost an impossibility for me, however I did manage to get through. Had a professional IQ test and came up with strengths and weaknesses scattered over the spectrum of knowledge. Averaged an IQ at 105. Think, I'm a strong in writing/verbal however, I don't care to write. I'm a machinist by trade and not the best either but experience has brought strength over the years. If you ask me, IQ is everything the pros say it is. It is real and meaningful. But its not everything in life. Love, character and hard work are qualities that may not be related to IQ and are sometimes more important.
For me its simple: do the best Version of Urself and iq is neglectable. there is an Intelligence far greater than the analytical wich is the iq. And if u are the best Version its pretty likely u will Discover it
You are a strong writer and I admire your professional journey. I can tell you something about IQ that you probably already know. IQ has nothing to do with your happiness. A balanced approach to life is a very good idea for everyone, no matter your abilities.
Funny story about my sister. When she was in elementary school, her teacher called our parents and demanded they come meet with her. She told them that they needed to stop pushing my sister so hard. My parents were totally laissez-faire about our educations (odd, since our Dad had a PhD), so they were perplexed. The teacher said that she knew my sister had an IQ of 85 (I don't know where she got the number, but I think it was somehow based on the Otis-Lennon achievement test), and should not be able to perform at the level she was attaining...hence, she must be under horrible duress at home. This episode bugged my sister; so, when she had a chance to take the Wechsler in 11th grade, she jumped at it. She scored 160! She went on to get a PhD in math; was an ES3 at the Pentagon at age 35, and taught classes at MIT and Harvard.
The teacher was too dumb to understand your sister, sadly the majority is not intelligent enough to understand the upper spectrum, I am glad that your sister hasn't got discouraged. I went to a "sperimental" igh school where half of the class had an IQ of over 130, only one of us went to university after while 4 out of the people with an IQ under 120 have a degree, two of which were under 100
@@Michael-jq1hl Or the teacher was envious and perhaps even jealous, it happens unfortunately. IQ tests infamously give inconsistent results, especially if not given in the right circumstance with an experienced psychologist and can place dreadful expectations and limitations on people.
@YexaC The type of people who try to convince you that they are correct because they have a high iQ are not the kind of people that are genuinely smart, or well researched on a topic. I'm sure there is some overlap in socio/psycho individuals, but its not hard to figure out that that line or reasoning is pretty meaningless, and more importantly, just not very convincing.
I was really stressed after scoring a 98. After looking up the average IQ of my dream job being at the bottom 110 , but after watching this I feel much more capable.
10 Points don't make a huge difference I remember seeing. But it does start changing from 120 and up. I know people who are at the near very average (104, 99, 101) and one person who has a IQ of 110-115. And the 110- 115 IQ individual doesn't appear to be far different from the 100 IQ individuals. Maybe this is just them adjusting to other people as I do that myself.
How can 1 test measure someone's intelligence? It can't. For one thing, people have off days. Also, an accurate assessment will probably involve a range, in your case higher, probably much higher. But that is beside the point. Do what you want in life, and I believe you'll surprise yourself. The doctor is right in that in some cases these tests are diversionary and more helpful in buffeting egos than reflecting real life circumstances. Intelligence is probably an immeasurable quality that involves an interplay of factors namely, ambition, social interaction(eq), and environment.
When I was in graduate school, I was given the job of administering a battery of psychological tests to a specific group. One of the women I tested was in graduate school at a prestigious university. She scored 100 on the Wechsler, and I was shocked--thinking it should be significantly higher. I also administered a test of her mental instability (MMPI) that indicated she was one of the most stable individuals I had ever tested. I did not want to give her the precise IQ number as I believed it would be humiliating; however, she paid for the test, and she pressured me for it. Upon disclosure, she smiled and said something like: Yeah, people always told me I was smart, but I knew I did well because I work hard. Now that was a stable sane response that so impressed me that I still recall it 40 years later. I have no doubt that she became successful in her career.
I honestly think he's on the spectrum, albeit in a very subtle and high functioning way, which would explain coming off as 'unintentionally funny' (a common trait of Asperger's/HFA).
I'm a clinical psychology undergraduate, and I really appreciate what you do, cause there is very low amount of professional videos regarding this subject. Really appreciate your work Dr. Grande.
@@blackerpanther3329 A psychology degree is not comparable to an art degree. Psychology is a very broad term. Admittedly sociology is pretty useless. Neuroscience, on the other hand, is incredibly useful.
@@ngle4246 Wechsler contains common sense category, but many other IQ tests don't. And wisdom&good judgement? Well we can discover statistic positive relationships between those features and IQ, but only based on strict norms and not 'guess'.
IQ is different from common sense, moral sense, and formal Education. A high school dropout can be surprisingly smart and have a higher IQ than a Harvard professor. Which one is smarter? Or better question is...does it matter???
We don’t need to deny the existence of IQ, we just need to make sure we don’t use it as a measure of somebody’s worth. There is so much more to a person. Somebody could have a super high IQ but if they have poor people skills and low empathy, they would make a terrible doctor for example.
Well, empathy is not the measurement for technical skill. A doctor could lack in empathy (which most of them probably will lack over a certain period of time) And still do he's Job right.
You are here at this channel. You are not average. There are a lot of sides to intelligence. Emotional, intellectual, imaginative, there is also wisdom, creativity and empathy, which is also a type of intelligence. IQ is representative of dry logic, association and doesn’t tell you much about the person. It is not just a number. But having an average iq doesn’t equal having average intelligence. I tested my iq when I was a child, it was over 140, I am not sure how accurate it was, but I wouldn’t care to find out it wasn’t true. But it is because I know how intelligent I am in so many ways that I don’t mind lacking some types of it. Having all types of intelligence at a high level is isolating, lonely, overwhelming and sometimes even depressing. Most people might seem boring, things too simp,e and not worth exploring. I prefer ingenuity and pleasure from discovery to a high IQ
@@minirille3031 when you write no hate in the beginning, this means that is exactly what will follow. And you are actually wrong even though I don't see anything wrong with thinking. This video played automatically when I played videogames, and I saw the comment I wanted to respond to. But even if it was sth I would be thinking and researching a lot about, then what? I'll reveal a secret to tou, intelligent people think and analyze a lot no matter about what. Yesterday for me it was about AI testing and legal issues in civil and privacy law, 5G, personality disorders, ecommerce in B2C, strategy in a videogame, besides learning how to dialogue better with my partner, thinking about a trauma I still have and how to approach it etc. IQ is old news haha. But try thinking a lot, it will do you a lot of good. Thinking also prevents unconscious hate and passive aggression. Looks like you'd need some help with it and have things that hide beneath the surface and come out this way.
I actually had my IQ tested while they were giving me my initial diagnosis (because of mental health issues) as a teenager and back then they really tried to help me. Unfortunately adult psychiatry didn’t have time to follow up on this initial diagnosis and instead just medicated me into submission. So now every time I go to a doctor I immediately get dismissed as over exaggerating everything. One example was when I had slipped and fallen on my foot and even a few days later couldn’t put any weight on it due to the intense pain. Not the first time I’ve slipped and fallen on ice, so I knew something was off, but I had to keep insisting on an X-ray after being told that I just needed to walk it off and it would get better on its own. Turned out that I had broken a bone in my foot and was told that I couldn’t put any weight on it for another month even after the cast was taken off. I’m mentally ill, therefore a doctor obviously knows better than I do, he’s sane after all.
My mom was a member of mensa and had an iq of 160 and it certainly wasn't "just a number". I'm from finland and I'm not sure if "lukio" translates to highschool or college, but she graduated with literally the highest possible grades and she taught me more at home than I ever learned in school. It was amazing how she could so easily understand pretty much everything she ever read or talked about.
In her case, the IQ score is quite valid. However, taking the long test, I know someone that got a 165. Taking the short test, he got a 162. The person, in question,is always in last place when it comes to everything in life, except physical health. I would venture to say he borders on being a human door stop. He is a complete loser, though he does stay healthy, which is something few seem to do today.
Now imagine she had beaten you every day and not taught you anything. IQ is important sure, but it’s not the only important thing. Things like empathy and motivation also matter. A really high iq vs a really low one may say something but the difference between 100 and 110 isn’t much, I think that’s the point.
my Dad read that Finland has the best learned graduates of high school........ he was shocked. but I said... look at a photo of their class rooms. he got it
I have always said that a high IQ and 50 cents gets you a cup of coffee. Many of the most successful people I know have average to slightly above average IQ's. By the same token, I have met people at Mensa meetings that barely got by in life. So in the long run I guess it is all a matter of what you do with what you have got.
IQ measures a small part of who you are. Additionally, if you highly deviate from the norm and compound it with some sort of training (not just in IQ but in anything), this hurts your chances of success since a large part of success depends on buy-in from others. There is less of a chance that what interests you interests others.... Unless you have a predilection for spending your intelligence on generating income.
No offense but the only people I ever hear use the same narrative you just did are people with low IQ. It’s like they don’t like the answer they get so they declare the result meaningless.
I dont know if I'm smart or not and I couldn't care less, but theres one thing about people who have a high IQ, that actually bothers me. Why do so many of them also have some sort of mental disorder? Its almost, as if the brain actually loses out in other areas. Why did noone ever research this? How do people with high IQ differ from people with low IQ? How do they differ from people with average IQ?
ShredderThruPaper / they are no more likely to have mental disorders than low IQ people. The difference is the smart ones get talked about when they are bad criminals. The dumb ones aren’t smart enough to get away with crimes for long so they rarely get mentioned.
Jonathan Tabor it's just a statement, doesn't need to be the obliterating truth. Also, how can you know that he knows he knows nothing? Thats the point.
@@fauberkaupfmann982 It's a paradoxical statement, or a self defeating statement if you'd rather. You cannot be telling the truth if you say "I know one thing and I know nothing" that argument cannot exist in reality it because it's a paradox. Like "This statement is false." it cannot be false if the statement is true and it cannot be true if the statement is false. My knowledge of what he knows is irrelevant. He claims to know nothing and yet he claims to know that he knows nothing so therefor he knows something and cannot know nothing. It's a paradox.
I was once taken in the back by a nurse in a mental hospital, who showed me my IQ results and asked me what the problem was with my life, because I scored pretty high on the tests. Alas, I think I am intelligent enough to come up with problems but not at all intellectually equipped to solve any of them :D
Being smart and having an active mind can be a blessing and a curse. If you're smart and score high in neuroticism, you can come up with many more scenarios and details to worry about than the average person.
@@claudioestrella1160 The psychologist who took the tests never told me the exact number and I never asked. The document read that I "clearly scored high above average intelligence", which by the way doesn't really resonate with me at all in may ways. I am very bad at planning for example, and I am bad at solving certain types of social problems, and I'm bad at using any "intelligence" she thought I might have in any real productive manner. These issues might have something to do with my diagnosis, or then there was something wrong with the results of the IQ tests. In any case, I'm guessing IQ can be hampered with all kinds of mental issues, so perhaps under better conditions I could do more than I can now, or then she misdiagnosed my intelligence by a large factor somehow. Also, when I took the tests, I was in a relatively good place. I had little stress and anxiety about doing poorly or well in the tests. This doesn't describe my current situation. Sorry for the essay, but I haven't thought about this in a long time.
@@claudioestrella1160 Thank you, but unfortunately there is no getting better fron this at least with modern knowledge. Making my life easier though is possible, and I am slowly striving towards that goal. Thank you for taking the time to give me your support. It is greatly appreciated, my friend.
My IQ (measured by professionals) in elementary school was 134. I did finish college and had good results on exams. But I have schizophrenia and it’s really downing my quality if life. I have a work disability because of my illness and I have to take medication. Sometimes I get sad of what I could achieve if I didn’t have this illness. But that’s life, it’s not always easy or perfect. But we can’t give up on making a better quality life for ourselves even with an illness as difficult as mine.
I’m sorry. My ex wife had it in her family, her dad was committed to an institution and she clearly had odd thoughts. She was therefore terrified of hospitals and doctors and would never have treatment even when I urged it. We split (as couples do) and it made her 10X worse and lost touch with reality. I spent 3 years supporting her as I felt responsible. In the end she went back to her parents. It was the hardest time of my life and nearly ruined me. I know how difficult it is, but guilt is a terrible thing and it ate me alive.
I must be really smart because I've been able to employ the most rigorous, high level scientific research and experimentation to accurately and precisely determine that I'm a slow learner.
I had my IQ tested 3 times in school and the results ranged from 96 to 112; about the 83rd percentile. I graduated 77th out 444 in my high school class; so the 84th percentile. I studied Chemical Engineering in college and did OK my first two years but really hit a wall my Jr year and changed majors. My occupation (IT) places me in the 80th-90th percentile of socioeconomic status. My net worth and income are in the top 15% and 16.5% respectively in the US. I'm glad I looked up this information. I;m doing about as well as could be expected from my IQ scores.
I have a 132 IQ, as administered by a psychologist when I was a child, but I still feel pretty average. I know from studying about gifted kids, that usually an increase in one area means a decrease in another. So, even though someone might have more IQ points, they might be lacking somewhere else ... like social skills, "common sense," emotional intelligence, executive function, emotional regulation, etc. Also, I don't speak well, so I might be "smart," but I don't really sound like it and I have trouble explaining myself. I also find I have an all-or-nothing understanding, so I feel kind of dumb about a lot of things, but then there are the things I do know about and I feel pretty competent in them. One odd thing was that I scored exceptionally well on the part of the IQ test where they read you a whole string of numbers and then you list them back, forward or backward. They said I had a really good short term memory. Not really! Maybe a 5-second memory! I have such a bad memory, I forget something as I'm walking from one room to the next and I have no idea why I had come into that room. I am tethered to my smart phone because I will forget appointments without my calendar reminders, and I have to take notes on many things or I will forget what was said in a meeting. On the other hand, when I was tested, as a child, I think I did have a pretty good memory .... it just didn't last into adolescence. My daughter was given the COGAT test and was identified as gifted (that one doesn't give you IQ), and she already has a horrible memory, before adolescence. She also has ADHD, extreme trouble with organization, and struggles with social skills. My brother has a 135 IQ, and he didn't graduate high school (he did pass his GED faster than the teacher had ever seen though). My brother now works in construction (although at 28 he made crew-boss and is currently being groomed to take over the business), is most interested in sports and how to wrap all of his food in bacon and serve it beside domestic beer, and he definitely doesn't seem "really smart." Einstein was a genius who couldn't care for himself. Again, a gain in one area and a lack in another. I feel like it's almost like when you're distributing stats in RPGs ... you can put them all into one area, but you'll be lacking in another if you do it. :D So yeah, I think that there are many types of intelligence, and IQ kind of only focuses on a narrow area. "Smart people" and "geniuses" might be advantaged in some areas, but they're often disadvantaged in others, and they're often ways that are pretty important to functioning in general society. And, of course, none of us is any better than anyone else. It's too bad people feel intimidated or even offended by higher IQs. We're no better than anyone, just different.
@@joskeguereza3714 Only recently have I stumbled across information about autism in females, and it has made me wonder. I think it would be extremely, extremely mild if anything, though.
Mind sync videos work wonders for improving memory and focus. Also, left handed people acquire knowledge from a creative standpoint, and then choose what needs to be committed to memory. Your skills necessary for navigating the smart phone, are proof that your memory works well on matters deemed important. Info overload is becoming an issue, as we seek to keep up with the latest, and the latest is ever changing so the mind doesn't see a pattern to commit to memory.
Got to agree on your over all point. IQ may be important but it's not all that important. Wisdom is better. I'm smart in some areas but i don't got alot of book smart's. I do have wisdom though and I'm only 28. So I'm middle aged.
I think it's more likely where you focus and how you use your intelligence and not that because of your iq that you lack in other arias.I have a high iq but i don"t know exactly how much.
Yup, Chris Watts' IQ tested around 140-145 and look where that got him. My IQ is about 15 points less than that and I would never have done the stupid things he did. For him to think he could get away with murdering his wife and kids, then bury her in a shallow grave on his work site and his kids in the oil batteries is mind-boggling to me. Did he think he'd never get caught? In summary, a high IQ "ain't all that".
Yes, it's very useful, specially in your teens to guide to through your school choices Although high IQ is predictive of success as you are able to do many things. The problem with being able to do a lot of things is the illusion of choice and you are not guaranteed to make the right choice, high IQ or not
This happened to me. I did one of those "profesional orientation" tests that, among other things measured IQ (never told me my exact IQ though) and thwy told me "You can be whatever you want to be. No career is out of your reach. However, jobs that would suit your character the most are probably military or security jobs. Except you seem to also have problem with authority, so... good luck, dont know what else to tell you". Basically, they were useless for me
It depends on your goal. If your goal is picking pizza toppings then IQ is pretty much just a number. Significance has a lot to do with goals, and the ability to meet them. In the grander scheme it will always have significance because people want it to for themselves in comparison to everybody else. But if they never took the test then it would have no significance. For someone who doesn't care about it no matter how high their IQ potentially is it really is just a number.
Actually IQ is made of 2 letters...those 2 letters are the initials of 2 words...but what u see its actually some pixels on a screen right now...so in essence something is the thing that remains if u tear apart the things around it that dont matter...witch then u remain with... nothing
@@Humanprototype-wh8qr No. Statistically it's a mild predictor of success. That's it. Even the so called smartest person that ever lived has accomplished jack. Quite a few of the people who don't care about IQ haven't even taken the test.
I've always been well above average as far as IQ, but my daughter has IQ IN the top 2% of the world she is currently a JR in college and she's just turned 18. This is not a entirely due to her intelligence, but more based on motivation. She had always had a terrible time relating to people her age. She does better with older people. So in school and life she has had terrible adaptive interpersonal relationships and has emotional disturbance. As far as IQ being a benefit it is very dependant on environment. My other daughter is much closer to average and she had a life that is very balanced. My older daughter with average IQ will and has no issues navigating through life as she easily moves through life without any of the issues my daughter with super high IQ. so IQ is very subjective to what people find important. From an outsider to my kids it seems as though being average is much easier. Thanks for the videos and everyone's comments.👍 My high IQ daughter has absolutely no problems explaining what is going on with her self and seeing deeper depths of her environment.
I know what you mean. I had many social difficulties because of my intelligence, even though I never measured my IQ. My mom and my grandma were both very intelligent, and they had serious emotional problems, and that also affected me. For many years, I thought I had to adapt, even though I knew I was different, and I always failed to do so. Eventually I learned to cope with most of my personal problems through yoga and meditation. I think it's a good thing to be able to see so much depth in trivial things around me, and I believe that your daughter might also feel the same. Everything is so fascinating to me, but other people don't seem to think the same way. I feel that social interactions are a kind of distraction from what's really beautiful in life, mainly because people never show their true nature in everyday life. If only they knew how beautiful it was, maybe I'd feel more inspired to seek human contact rather than old texts, which speak more dearly and close to me than the abundance of false smiles available everywhere.
I really feel for your high IQ daughter. I was never at her level of motivation (dayum! You go girl!), but I skipped 2nd grade and was later put in gifted programs based on the IQ test they gave me in 5th grade. Growing up younger than my classmates was really challenging for me, and a lot of bullying resulted. When my sister was facing the same choice, of entering my niece into school where she'd always be much younger than her classmates, she choose not to. She'd grown up seeing how hard it was on me socially, and she didn't want my niece to face that. Her solution for her is an accelerated school, something that wasn't available for us growing up, back when they believed "Girls mature faster than boys, it'll be fine", lol. And being around kids like her, at the same age, seems to be working well. It wasn't just the age difference, though - I still have difficulty navigating social interactions as a middle-aged woman, lol. I assume people will be just as interested in certain things as I am (and all the intricacies of why this or that is amazing), so I have a tendency to launch into topics like science or the future, only to be met with blank stares. I have to reel things in a lot, and keep it to what feels mundane to me. It's way easier now, just with experience and finding other people that want to relate on that level. But, yeah, I imagine she's always going to be challenged here. And honestly? While I love how my brain works (well, sometimes - got some bipolar going on, too), sometimes I wish I was more average. It does seem easier, and, well, less lonely. I hope she's able to find her tribe, and learn how to navigate all this.
As an introvert, I don’t only covet the competency of a high IQ, but the imagination. If my “inner-world” is a park, theirs is a lush wilderness. The fact that Einstein came up with the theory of relativity while walking around, daydreaming makes me so jealous 🌚🌞
You shouldn't and good point. I know several people with very high IQ scores. One is never happy, another suffers depression and another is an alcoholic. Intelligence isn't everything. I'd rather be perfectly average or less and be happy, healthy and good. I also know more than several people who don't seem to know very much or are unsophisticated who are kind, giving, helpful, cooperative, happy and healthy.
@@virginiamoss7045 my bf has an high IQ & hes the sweetest man i know. It hard for them thats why alot of them commit suicide. It can be lonely for them.
@@virginiamoss7045 Mistakes were made, "Iq is not everything not inteligence is not everything" Iq is not inteligence therefore. If inteligence includes to no be alcoholic and possibly maybe somehow to not get depressed which is maybe a bit more farfetched, but why not. To make it simple, there are insanely good reasons to argue that my Smart Phone is more inteligent than me, and some insanely good reasons to say a dog is more inteligent than the Smart Phone, think about it. So iq is not inteligence no matter how u slice it.
@@virginiamoss7045 This is pretty common actually. Most of smartest people I know (and since I went to hs for gifted students, I tend to know a lot of those) are either totally socially inept and depressed, somewhat autistic and dont care about fitting into society (those I consider lucky in a way), or addicted to substances. Few of them have commited suicide too, by the age of 23. Being intelligent is not as fun as people think it is
Love love LOVE these videos! I am binge watching your videos at the moment. Thank you for producing informative, educational and incredibly interesting content! Awesome.
4:45 Bell Curve Expectations 10:27 A Touchy Topic It is insignificant It is significant It depends on how you live 14:17 Health, Longevity, Wealth It won’t give information one can act upon
I was considered a 'gifted' child but by the time I was in middle school, I had a lot of trauma from emotional, sexual and some physical abuse and I was diagnosed with autism (asperger's, but I don't use that label), OCD, and major depression. From age 11, I've been in a constant state of severe depersonalization and derealization. I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD, BPD, PTSD (from both childhood and recent trauma), general anxiety and bipolar disorder. I'm in the worst mental health of my life and I'm barely able to perform basic tasks and I get confused and lost easily. I want to go back to school and major in cognitive psychology but I doubt I'll be able to achieve what I want to. I fear I don't have the mind for it.
As a young kid I was considered bright and funny but experienced years of trauma and bullying. I got diagnosed with ADD early in my life, more recently getting diagnosed with OCD. It sucks I know I have more potential. My memory is flawed in comparison to my philosophy and understanding life. I would enjoy talking with you.
Don't defeat yourself. The worst that can happen is you just flunk. But if you flunk, it is not because of your IQ score, it is because you did NOT study!!!!!!!
@@serratedcreature890 Sounds like you're going through something similar to me. I've had psychotic symptoms develop recently and I've been actively suicidal for years. I've been hospitalized three times for suicide attempts and plans since posting this comment 5 months ago. I basically have no dopamine to spare. I'm also not a man. I'm trans and had an orchiectomy, which means that now the only testosterone I produce comes from my adrenal glands. I take estrogen for HRT. I have severe ADHD, so I need to get that treated because right now, it's untreated. Along with all my other mental disorders, I'm struggling just to stay alive at this point. When I'm in good spirits, which is very very rare, my drive to learn comes back full swing, and I want to have that back for good.
Knowing my IQ further helped me explore my differences. For a large part of my early life I thought I suffered from some mental retardation because I could not fit in despite my incessant attempts to imitate others' behavior. After taking the WISC and having an IQ in the gifted area, I discussed more with my psychologist and with a few tests it was concluded that I had Asperger's Syndrome, or ASD as it's diagnosed nowadays according to the DSM-5.
When I was 14 I took an IQ test in highschool, with my class. Later I was told by my mother that I scored average. So I thought I wasn't very smart. But I did alright in highschool, and eventually earned a BA degree and became a registered nurse. So I think we keep learning throughout life.
Why would an average IQ not be enough for a nurse? Average is not bad. Remember that half of the people are below average, so you could say it's likely you are a bit smarter than half of everyone.
Mickey Farley, My point is that even with an average I.Q. at age 14, with hard work and study, one can achieve one's goals, and keep learning throughout life!
@machintelligence, Thank you so much, I really appreciate that! You are a kind person and probably have the ability to cheer people up; and that's priceless! 😉
I once read that having severe depression can drop your score on an IQ test by up to 30 points. I don't know if that's true, but having had a lot of experience with depression and the accompanying concentration problems, it does seem reasonable to me.
I took a Iq test in 1980, I was ten years old, they stuck me into gifted classes. But when I was 18, the military tested me twice with tests. I ended up in Nuclear Reactor Controls on a Navy Aircraft Carrier. So I think Iq tests are generally accurate. If you are bright you will always score better than most. But a test cannot completely capture a persons intelligence. So they have to be taken with a grain of salt.
In very rare cases it can bolster an individuals abilities in a given area. Alot of the times it stabilizes and doesent change for average head injuries like conclusions, but a bad brain injury can lower IQ.
@@gardenguster5271 repeated head blows over the years does cause lower iq and dementia. Consusions with a recovery period however return to normal brain function.
I am autistic and the WAIS had two or three three standard deviations above but all the others were far below, one of them in the down at 78. I have a PhD but I have a very bad employment history and can't do the job market. I can't adjust to the system.
So you dont work as a teacher or a professor then? I to kinda hate the job market, it's a drone mentality I gotten sick of thinking about. From my perspective at least. However I can see why people can get addicted to it aka career etcetera. If I could do a PhD, I would aim to become a professor. Well I wouldn't need to be one of those high performing ones, that gets famous for their research, just work as one would be enough. But I am too old now, I was not focused enough, because I didn't know any better. I am 33, and if I where let's say 24-25 I would still consider it given I have a Bachelour, and a master would be possible after just 2 years (sweden). Then 3-4 years of writing the dissertation would put me at the age I am now pretty much. So if I had my PhD diploma now at 33, it would be alright. It's not great, a friends father got his first dissertation done at age 23 and his second at 25. So yea... but that's life I guess.
My brother struggled through high school and graduated, but could not get into any reasonable college. He joined the navy and learned aviation mechanics. He is absolutely brilliant at that, constantly catching things that others miss and creating solutions no one else can think of. He was let go several times by air lines who wanted speed, not accuracy or responsibility. He just could not interview well for jobs at all; it still is a nightmare for him, but he found his niche with companies who owned corporate aircraft where concern for safety and accuracy was paramount. He also piloted those small jets for them and was paid well. We now know that he has ADD so he has done well in his niche, but not in other areas. He made it work for himself, though.
That is so interesting. I have taught kids with autism and that is something that seems to be common. They have uneven abilities. They may may be unable to talk yet can do calculus. Or they are reading in preschool but have a real hard time with forming letters and writing words in first grade. And then there are savants who may not speak but can play the piano at a young age. We really need to value people for what they can do not what they can’t.
I liked the reference to a car going over 50 when the speedometer only goes to 50. It put the idea of someone having a extremely high IQ into perspective for me.
So a person claims to have a super high IQ. If so, that should be very easy to demonstrate. Do something smart. It is very simple. If you can't do that, your IQ is obviously and demonstrably back in the normal category with the rest of us. Please do something smart, or stop being a jerk.
Tests like the WAIS-IV may struggle to estimate >160, but this doesn’t mean that IQ can’t be somewhat accurately measured higher. Toilet Paper is a respected psyconmetrician who creates high-range IQ tests, he is the smartest man alive, even his brain bulges out of his head. The Praffe Effe gang will agree with me.
I think intelligence is really amazing and confusing all at once. I'm bad at high level math, good at head math. Bad at writing fiction, good at writing papers. Good at memorizing facts and basic details, but bad at remembering faces, events, etc. Intelligence really is way more than an IQ test. But, it's also only fair to give IQ tests the benefit of the idea that most of the intelligence types tested there are what apply directly to education and the workplace, so they're accurate as far as what they care to predict. I'd say they have probably only a 65% of something correlation with how likely a person is to find a long term relationship and all kinds of stuff that depends more on separate types intelligence than work/school though.
I think if Emotional intelligence, psychological intelligence etc was included with IQ tests, it would be a closer indentification of a complete score.
It would be if we could reliably test eq to begin with. To throw a random variable into a stable equation seems a bit silly. I agree but eq is seemingly trainable, meanwhile IQ is not. So this would be a non-onstant as well.
I am interested to hear you speak on the correlation between those with a higher than average IQ and mental health disorders like depression and anxiety. I was tested in a facility for various things to try and possibly address major depressive disorder and IQ was amongst them. It was found that my iq was at 134. I still struggle with PTSD and major depressive disorder and I see that those types of mental disorders(maybe not PTSD, but anxiety disorders in general) are very common for people like me. I don’t personally think having a high IQ has made me any better of a person, as I haven’t actually accomplished anything and my MDD and other disorders make me pretty miserable.
I have an average IQ and also very neurotic. It’s possible there’s a correlation with high IQ and negative emotion, but he also stated personality doesn’t predict IQ, so who knows. Also, IQ is only one predictor of success. You may have a high IQ, but be low in conscientiousness and that will be a hinderance to your success. Same if you are neurotic, which you seem to be. If you have a low IQ but high in conscientiousness, that can help balance it out and you may achieve more success. So many factors to consider.
I think the main problem with IQ is, that it is an attempt to quantify an entire set of different skills, and then gives the appearance of being predictive for any one individual skill within that set. People can be smart as a fox with numbers and dumb as a bloke with other people or vice versa. Dividing an absolute IQ into emotional IQ, social IQ, practical IQ, etc... helps a bit, but it does not escape the problem, that at the core of the term itself lies a logical fallacy, namely an induction problem. You can make people solve a whole lots of quizzes, riddles and tests and then come up with a number that determines their average score, but that average score says next to nothing about how good that person will perform within any specific challenging situation, that may come up in their future.
@@THEFRISKIESTDINGOJust speculation based on my experiences and observances-- that's not necessarily good or bad. Is what it is. Emotional intelligence/ being on good terms with who we are/ our place is much more important. People with high IQ seem to tend to struggle because of how messed up this world/ society really is, misunderstands them, and gives little wiggle room/ compassion and especially to mood or other mental disorders (which people with iq seem to be positively correlated with perhaps, but far from always?) Again overall, isn't a good or bad thing to be smart or not smart. More just matters are we leading a fulfilling life that gives us enough joy. Sustainability, happiness, smarts, etc. can come and go// don't mean much anyways without a firm foundation/ without knowing what your rough place or purpose in life is Edit: & Of course being open to new ideas and evidence is much more important than trying to find all the answers and thinking you have everything figured out; pretty obvious though in my opinion (tho I guess a lot of people aren't science/ engineering or equiv majors, and just know what they know thru deceptive popular media, and likely fall for cocky confident presenters more than skepical wary presenters (can be a grey area, not always black and white tho)
Great, informative video! While IQ can only explain a certain amount of the job performance *on average for the relevant distribution as a whole*, if you're unsure if you'll be able to do the job pretty much at all or be able to get through the education, it's still a good idea to test yourself, because it predicts a lot better at the bottom margin. At least for technical academic stats, which is what I've looked at for myself, tends to be declining IQ vs passrate has a wide and fairly flat downward sloping line to a point where it suddenly gets narrow and drops rapidly to almost zero. Definitely worth making sure before you drop 4+ yrs and several 10k$ on something you may not even be able to do. Also where stats for subtests are available, tends to be some of them predict a lot better than others for certain fields.
This is why,I believe, affirmative action can cause more harm than good. These young people who would do just fine at San Jose State University, fumble and often drop out of U.C Davis or California's flagship, U.C. Berkeley.
I'd say the main reason why the concept of IQ is so touchy, is because historically it has been central to many eugenics arguments. So yeah, no surprise there.
I thought I was a slow learner because I had to work hard to get good grades. Nothing came easy. When I started college I paid to have my IQ checked and it came back 120, above average but not a rocket scientist. I was really glad to find I wasn’t an imbecile. I now live in SoCal 5 miles from the beach in a $2 mil home, no debt, speak two languages and have a voracious appetite for learning.
Fast driving is not better (it is just faster) than mid-speed driving .. by the way someone with IQ of 160 performs more effectively in less majors than someone with IQ of 110 because he took it for granted so he won't learn more skills to adapt with new situations because he gets SO BORED
I was tested in my freshman year at university by the psychology department at 115. The test did test different aspects if intelligence. The one area that stood out for me was in the area of abstract thinking where I scored 150+.& explained enough for me to understand some of my life issues and being different than many others. It explains my daydreaming in primary and even high school. At the same time my interests in art, philosophy, psychology, physics, meta physics, theology; especially at concept level. It was interesting though that in contrast I struggled with memorisation of things like names and dates which seems to be the basis of first year college exams for psych 101. Aptitude tests predicted I would fail my first year of university and I almost did then every year after my grades went up as courses became more in tune with ideas and concepts over memorisation. On the basis of my creativity, experimentation and ability to generate possibilities even gave me an in to graduate school. The whole point here of this long preamble is that had I not learned about the abstract thinking part of the measurement I may have given up my studies because of my low marks and the prediction of the aptitude stest in high school. Knowing I shared qualities like Einstein and others though pushed my interest to grasp ideas and concepts. It explains why I did well with geometry but struggled with basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. In English in composition I impressed teachers with creativity yet struggled with simple grammar, and spelling. I discovered my Min was racing so fast over ideas I had going through my head I had no time to get them out and concentrate on the basics of communication. Even now at 72, I struggle communicating so others understand. Perhaps why in personality testing I come out as INFJ the rarest type and suspect also an undiagnosed individual with autism. Perhaps if you read this you might try to explain the differences in all these tests and how they might overlap and how they also separate in attempting to understand individuals. Sometimes I feel like I see a bigger picture but have not the skills to communicate it to others. It is like your video on Jordan Peterson you mentioned how you struggled understanding some of his points and asked others if they found him the same. They agreed with you. I have watched a fair number of his talks p, presentations and podcasts and get what he is talking about. It is in my mind theoretical but nicely fits together and yet to be proven. Then again how can anyone prove God? Okay my thoughts ran away with me here. Am hoping I might get more puzzle pieces from your understanding to help explain my own strange patterns more clearly.
To the respondent asking for help, I ask I described several factors so not sure how to help. I can ĺisten and perhaps ask appropriate guiding questions. Most answers for me are within ourselves. We seek, collect data reflect ask God for guidance and discern from patterns you identify and get insights.from? Change for me has happenedbecause of ahha moments that heĺshift past thinking into new paradigms in my thinking.
I took an IQ test with a psych and I feel like my score was lower than it should have been because I had been so incredibly anxious. When I'm anxious I have a hard time thinking straight--I mean, I was shaking during that test. Why I was so nervous, I don't know, but I can't help but wonder if that effected the accuracy.
It did. There's a bell curve with how anxiety effects your scores on iq tests. For example, too little of anxiety can increase boredom and actually decrease scores.Same with too much
Short answer. Yes, but who cares? Your motivation, desire and ability are more important than an IQ number. What are you passionate about? That is the most important question, not memorizing a series of 10 numbers.
I can say from experience that intelligence is important, but it's definitely not everything. My husband is no slouch with an IQ in the high 130's. This has been reflected in his career and he's been very successful. He's also dependable, punctual, reliable, and he works harder (and more consistently) than anyone I've ever known in my life. Our son was VERY intelligent. He had behavioral problems when he was young and was heavily evaluated twice by child psychologists. His IQ was just shy of the genius mark. And he was a disaster. He had no discipline. He had no self control. He was all about immediate gratification. He also had issues like the inability to feel fear, guilt, shame, or worry and had a severely reduced sense of empathy and NO boundary recognition. His short life was very happy... for HIM. He took way too many risks. He was an undependable employee and - although he aced every test - he didn't do homework and didn't continue past high school. He died doing something stupid on a motorcycle. Obviously intelligence isn't everything. It can be an important factor, but there are so many more qualities and characteristics that a complete human being must bring to the table for long term success.
I've always thought of IQ as the "acceleration" of learning. 85 = Complex skills will require continual re-learning. It's illegal to put you in the army without a waiver. 115 = This person generally "picks things up quickly." _vroom_ 130 = This person makes connections between ideas or skills intuitively, and will likely struggle with depression and developing work ethic. _vroom vroom_ 145 = This person is equally likely to be brilliantly useless as they are to experience severe interpersonal problems, but maybe 5% of this very small group will become Elongated Muskrat. _vr-vr-vr-VROOM VROOM LOOK OUT_
would love to see a video about the different subtypes of high-IQ people, including the ones that totally mess up their lives, and end up living in their mom's basement. Possible causes/comorbidities/consequences on mental health issues?
It is vital for identifying child prodigies who could benefit from extra education outside of school. Tracking is banned of course, but it would be useful to the parents to get on gifted things outside of school like Chess, private math instruction ect...
I agree with you. I was tested at school in kindergarten in 1968. They wanted to know why I was already reading at a third grade level at five years old. I tested relatively high (137) and it did seem like, at least in elementary school, that although there was nothing for gifted/talented, my teachers knew I sometimes needed more challenge.
Totally agree about online IQ tests. I took one of those and scored a 136 which is ridiculous. If I'm lucky my IQ is between 115, and maybe 120. Taking a real IQ test could shatter your life, so I would tread lightly before taking one. There are many variables predicting your success in life, but IMO IQ is the most significant one. The stronger your math skills the higher your IQ is IMO.
i was considered "Gifted" as a child, and was placed into Gifted Courses in which i was the youngest by far. i never had my IQ tested due to a lack of resources on my familys end (no fault, just an explanation), and since that time, mental illness, adhd, and a host of other factors has withered away the 'testable' aspects of my intelligence. my forte was english, and i haven't finished a book in a year at least, i forget how to spell words, and i have a hard time processing information. i never graduated high school, and despite having a good passing score in the Hi-Set, and rationally knowing that i'm at least of average intelligence, i still sometimes feel awful because i wasn't tested as a Gifted Child, and therefore my intelligence must be 'lesser than' others in that group. this makes me feel much better about the whole thing... TL;DR + aside from the rambling, thank you for this. your videos are always informative and show multiple sides of every situation.
Rowan S it all depends on the environment. If a person is in an environment that favors the development of intelligence (their specific one) then they'll be regarded as intelligent. If she's in another environment that favors another type, she'll most likely be put aside, for the moment.
I.Q. is a measure of academic learning, or of a highly specialized type of crystallized intelligence(knowledge retention). The closest the I.Q. test gets to testing your fluid intelligence("off the cuff"/"freestyle") is via _speed._ Yet, because the test relies on speed of answers to what's essentially a math and english test, it also becomes a highly specialized focus on a small part of *fluid intelligence.* The real problem with I.Q. tests is how they measure an incredibly small facet of the Human Intellect, and yet create a delusion that this is: "all that matters about intelligence". I.Q. scores are defended online by closed minded bigots against perceived: "idiots", who have different, but equally valid, opinions. I.Q. is how "nerds" feel *_special,_* and it's a way to artificially pump up your self-esteem. I know this, because I too once relied on a: "high I.Q. score" to make me feel self-important. It's asinine.
Knowing that you have a higher than average I.Q. score is a piece of self knowledge that can help you more successfully navigate through life. For instance, If your I.Q. is 40 points over the norm, you might have difficulty connecting with those who have I.Q.'s closer to the norm. It's good to know exactly what your differences are and why you seem to function differently than others. Using your score to feel self-important of course, is self delusion, not self knowledge. There are advantages to a high I.Q. score as well as disadvantages.
@@Cristozen1 I agree that an I.Q. test can help you identify traits about yourself, so you can make more educated decisions about your life. I don't think there's any significant difference between high and low I.Q. people though. A person not being able to get along with average I.Q.("normies"/regular folk) is unlikely to be about I.Q. specifically. It's vastly more likely that it's a function of introversion and neuroticism. Again, I speak from experience, 😁
Discipline, ambition, optimistic outlook and decency towards others trumps general intelligence in terms of success and happiness in life. Not to minimize intelligence. It’s just there’s so much more to the picture.
Awesome video Dr. Grande! What are your thoughts on relational frame theory and increasing iq. Recent studies indicate a 23 point increase in iq in the experimental group.
I spent some time talking to a military recruiter this weekend, he said that only about one out of five people that want to go in the military have a high enough IQ that he deals with. It has to be 83. The military with over 110 years of experience have decided there is no job for someone with IQ below 83 .
Correct. At an IQ 83 you simply don't respond adequately in stressful situations. And the more complicated your military job is - your IQ matters more. Fighterpilots have generally very high IQ.
People with certain conditions are harder to tag. I am Asperger and I find that I am incredibly good at some things, some times, but I am incredibly stupid at others in different situations. In college it was incredible, early in every course I was the stupidest guy ever, and people thought that. But later, close to the summer, it was the opposite, every answer was in my head, every reaction. Apparently Aspergers are bad with new situations, something about very high activation (arousal) levels. I suppose that the same thing happens with a lot of things. Depression affects the IQ, people that tend to be depressive or bipolar, who knows what their capabilities really are? Anxiety disorders, some people is very anxious, how can you take a measure of his or her IQ in a reliable way if the person is gonna freak out immediately? Lack of attention, hyperactivity disorder, being too tired, etc... To take the real IQ of someone you would need to take three or four different measures in different moments to be sure but, since the person would learn the questions of the test, it would invalidate everything. That's why when, as a professional, I receive someone with a relatively low IQ in his file I just don't pay too much attention. I'll wait to know the person to put it in context. I always worried foe the way some of my colleagues take those scores, as some sort of religion, like if the IQ was a perfect measure of the intelligence of someone. Crazy.
@@SrbijaCG yes, I Know him like everyone else. I missed that part where he says "you can do anything you set your mind to" Maybe cause he never said such thing. He is also known for being a target of people who like to make up quotes on things he never said
@@nostro1940 Read his book. And the "you can do anything you set your mind to" is a common saying by optimists and psychologists who lean in that direction.
Would love to see a video about the impact of learning disabilities on IQ, and whether IQ can be used as an accurate representation of a learning disabled person’s potential, given the possible disparity between verbal and performance IQ.
It's been 23 years since I was tested formally. It's the only IQ test I've ever taken. It was suggested by a teacher that I think had an unhealthy obsession with me as her "favorite student". IN NO WAY did I deserve this title. I think the purpose was for something that looked good on record for college acceptance. I don't really remember the questions, but I DO REMEMBER the questions bothering me because I disagreed with it being TRULY a measure of what I consider "intelligence". Intelligence is a very vague term. There's many facets to it. To make a long story shorter, I don't think my score, compared to others I know that I consider FAR MORE INTELLIGENT, was fair. I scored exceptionally high, and without my permission, it was made public to everyone she could tell. It was NOT a good thing for my social life by ANY stretch of the imagination, and I can fully understand why it made other people resent me. I don't believe this test depicts the true overall intelligence of a human being without bias. At least it didn't in 1998.
IQ a great way to divide people and but them into categories. It is elitist and like wealth is used to determine who is inferior and superior. those with higher IQ are viewed as superior even if people don't admit it, not like height more like wealth and royal bloodlines. a person with a higher IQ is like royalty compared to a person with a low IQ score.
@@Tethloach1 that's why I believe William Stern wasn't thinking straight when he came up with the terminology Intelligencequotient in 1912. For my personal convenience, I like Rene Descartes and his COGITO ERGO SUM much much better.
@@NathanaelKuechenberg I think that any definition of intelligence that has wide social implications should be rigorously tested and questioned until it meets every persons standard of excellence. It should not be vague or have any amount of error in it if we are to take it seriously on a wide social scale any amount of error or doubt and it should be discredited and put on hold.
@@Tethloach1 another thing to add is unless the test creators themselves were gods or geniuses beyond measure, the correct answer might be different than what's on a test.
@@Zombie_Burger it is... Wisdom is more of a character trait... While intelligence is more of a capability trait... A wise man is patient etc... An intelligent fool has an iq of 160 but is rash, impulsive etc...
@Kyle Whitehead IQ science shows that people are canalized into success categories by their IQ. You can wish for the moon and the stars, but wish in one hand etc. There are very few iron laws in the social sciences, but here is one for you: smart people are going to be successful, people who are not smart are probably going to be less so. That is just a fact, and there is very little that you can do to change it.
This was an interesting video to listen to, especially when the significance for and against were argued. On the surface I agree and feel that IQ is important to know but being one facet it isn't the most important thing to know. A person needs to be looked at in a whole person view taking into consideration all accounts of personality and behavior. Those that just look at IQ and judge solely on that aspect are cheating themselves and the person they are viewing.
My IQ was measured in school at 135, in the 98th percentile. I am good with concepts and am a professional, award winning writer. But I have ADHD, a learning disability, and I was not able to really function as a student (although I loved reading). This was so frustrating you can't believe it. Still is very hard. I was left back a year at prep school and was going nuts. Then, in college, I developed a mental illness. So I have two problems. I did not learn exactly what ADHD was until middle age. I think Dr. Grande is underestimating the effect of IQ, although I love his shows. If you have a high IQ ADHD mind, try writing. I hope schools become more adept at identifying learning disabilities.
I had a Wechsler test done at around age 7, while living in central Europe, during the 1970's / early 80's and scored 143. My lack of social- performance always frustrated my parents, along with my ''generalized-disinterest'' in school, as well as typical social-situations and associated activities. Many years later, I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder as well as BPD (borderline personality disorder). While in school, I felt much better attending classes only when I knew there was ''something to do'' aka ( upcoming required tests or exams), and typically did well during those times. I eventually dropped out of HS and got a GED, scoring within the ''honor-student'' range / higher than required. I imagine this basic scenario has happened within many other families to date. I often wonder what role BPD + bipolar disorders have actually played in all of this...
With the standard IQ test in school, my IQ was measured at 145. However, I did one of those online ones and I got 98 which is below average. lol. Someone can have an IQ off the scales but not know how to navigate the world. And someone who is illiterate can be able to get along well with others.
Can we determine at all for example, does IQ actually predict health, or does the lifestyle that influences IQ also tend to lead to longer lives? ie, having access to better education and nutrition means better IQ testing, and better health in general.
Dr.Grande Please would love to see personality profiles on 1)conederarate general Jubal Early, general James Longstreet(their handwriting's so very different-even for the times)general Robert Lee, Ulyses Grant, William Sherman, President Lincoln. I also think a profile on Napoleon would be most interesting . It would also keep your channel
Motivation is a greater predictor of overall job performance rather than an IQ test. The WAIS is a good predictor of general knowledge and will give indications of a persons strengths and weaknesses in learning. However, it can only suggest that a person may perform well within a particular academic discipline . At the end of the day the persons desire to succeed is the most important variable, not intelligence. However, in a clinical situation such as an institution for the mentally handicap the WAIS is a good predictor of future learning and helps to identify visual perceptual problems that may present themselves for a particular type of training. For the general population, IQ evaluations are not relevant. Motivation and desire to succeed are of greater importance and those factors cannot be measure very accurately, but may be observed as time goes by.
A pretty annoying thing about a lot of the tests is that they seem to phrase questions following scenarios "what are you gonna do?" rather than "what does the person want you to do?". I'm always curious how many people don't tick the right box out of disobedience rather than lack of understanding.
Be cautious when taking the WAIS or SB tests. If you go in very tired and/or stressed, you are likely to get a much lower score than you would normally. Three years ago, I got a score of 86 on the WAIS after a sleepless night and in a very stressful state. Yesterday, I was tested again. This time, when I had slept well and was at ease, my score was 123.
I've listened to other discussions about IQ by people like Jordan Peterson. While it was certainly informative it always left me feeling something of essence was missing despite all the information presented. You hit the nail on the head. To truly determine one's intelligence we need to be able to measure other aspects of the person besides just intelligence. I would have appreciated if you'd touched on the controversy regarding The Bell Curve studies but perhaps that would deserve a separate video.
It would be interesting that you made more videos about intelligence and myths about it. Multiple intelligences, are they real? Emotional intelligence, is it real? What does it actually mean? Fluid and cristalized intelligence... There is a lot of contradiction information about this.
Before even watching.... I've learned that IQ is MORE important than people tend to believe. Two factors that predict success in life are consiencousness and IQ.
The last two sentences before Dr. Grande spoke his ending ritual "Whenever I talk about..." were the best.❤ It is easy to speak about this topic in an easygoing way - if you have enough of it. Due to my mental illness I have extreme variations in IQ and have to live with this. I was once tested (being in a clinic) and I scored somewhere in the "dementia-zone" on it, which is no wonder, because I 'm virtually unable to think when I suffer from my symptoms. (Having them, I can't leave my home, because this would be dangerous to me). So my advice to healthy individuals would be: be happy with what you've got and USE it instead of thinking about how high it is or if you have more or less of it than your neighbour, sister, friend. Ludicrously vain.
Interesting, but I wish that he had discussed the impact of cultural bias, both on the number itself and on receiving a number that significantly underestimates the person's ability. Cultural bias and bias against those with disabilities (which are not always identified) can result in a number that is significantly distant from the "correct" number.
There is a perspective you present that truly surprises me. I just assumed a higher IQ might suggest the test, in its formulation, must reflect higher levels of sophistication to capture the test subject's eclectic intelligence, if you will. If a person scores higher this must be commensurate with an identifiable "paradigm" built into the test to challenge or mete out higher functioning. Then again, Dr. Grande, you just put to rest my biggest concern about IQ tests: Comprehensive testing of every type of intelligence or every facet of intelligence should be more useful than some arbitrary number that invites arbitrary interpretation. Instead, imagine not only a test but an accompanying method for improving one's intellect--if that is an achievable goal.
I have noticed that more intelligent people seem to have more mental issues than the avg to lower IQ people do. Any thoughts on this. I had difficult all thru school was made to take an IQ test in HS while having a fever with a throat infection. Scored 132. In recent years after professional counselling I found that I suffered with SAD/AVPD and ADD for all my life. Well at least as far back as I can remember. I was diagnosed by parents and school to be lazy... And yes I do have a touch of laziness :) however I did very well in my working career until I retired a couple of years ago. of course I worked jobs with little or no contact with the public. Electronics, computers and Telephony systems.
Robert Cromwell I thing there is some new research on bipolar disorder and high IQ. I guess you're right actually. People with artistic skills for instance., you often hear they have either bipolar disorders or depression. But it might just be coincidences.
I read somewhere that are overall higher intelligence evolved along with schizophrenia. Like the condition is somehow very correlated with the evolution of intelligence. I don't remember the title of the article so forgive me.
Hey Dr. Grande! Thank you for the balanced approach. Maybe you could link some studies which support the 0.04 correlation between job performance and IQ? From a first glance at the literature it seems, the correlation is rather between 0.12 and 0.5 or higher.
The number would depend on how one defines job categories, wouldn't it ? If the categories are narrow enough, IQ will account for little variation simply because most people within each category have similar IQs. I.e. there is a researcher degree of freedom in how much of the IQ effect is eaten by the categorization, which means each of those numbers is probably true for some categorization.
Everything in the video is spot on. However, it would be cool if you could address the validity of High Range I.Q. tests. How high range tests work: Imagine you're a pitcher competing against other pitchers in an attempt to see who can hit the most targets with a baseball. Each item on a high range test is like a target to hit. They start off up close and easy to hit and eventually get further and further away. As an pitcher, not only do you have to be accurate, but you also have to have the strength to throw the ball far enough to even attempt to hit the target. Eventually, you will hit your pitching 'ceiling,' which is the maximum distance you can throw. At this point, you will also lose accuracy because accuracy diminishes when your entire pitch is dedicated to strength. This then creates a personal limit: a 'pitching quotient.' Based on the number of targets you were able to hit (without any second attempts), your performance is then compared to the performance of others. Looking at the data, the person with the best balance between accuracy and strength will score the highest. That person is considered the best pitcher, which is analogous to being the smartest high range test candidate for that particular test. (I don't know all the statistical conversion that goes into norming these things, but norms are created based on candidate data, and an I.Q. score is administered.)
This is a very unemotional look at I.Q. Well delivered and without doubt explains the true value of I.Q. testing due to the limitations of the instruments used. I was surprised to hear that I.Q. testing gives only a 4% variance in job performance however I suppose there are so many other factors that feed into this including emotional intelligence and personality. I agree unless you have some reason to have it tested why bother, to me it seems of little value.
The biggest predictor in success is just luck. On a broader level of analysis however, 100% of success is luck since you neither have a choice in how intelligent you are or what your personality is. That's not to say that the lower level analysis is without merit.
The only value of IQ tests is to boast to others.. Sorry , but it is just a number when you look at it historically. IQ is a generational thing (sorry) Example: Take a history student 40 years ago.. now take a current day student (so much more things to learn about) That's IQ.. It's easy to look things up on the internet. A true IQ test would be to try to categorize peoples abilities and not lump summing into a mass group.. aka excellent at spatial awareness/theoretical problem solving/ lateral thinking etc.
How I wish all my professors had as clearly defined terms and concepts!! I dropped out of statistics very unhappily because I was utterly lost after just the first day of class! Thank you so much Dr. Grande for letting me at least think it wasn't totally my lack of intelligence! I understood every word you said.🔔
When I was the age of 7 my entire family of 10 took a standardized IQ test and I scored 121. In adulthood I have retaken tests a few times and the range is consistently between 128-134 so it seems to be pretty consistent and accurate. I have a Master's degree in science so Dr. Grande's comments about having an IQ of 115 to successfully gain a bachelors degree on average is also likely a good indicator.
I went to Marquette University and had a fellow student tell me his IQ was 100 and he got very good grades. So I have to strongly disagree with these categorizations. It's so unfair to label people. Everyone is unique.
I mean with so many variables affecting something, 4% for just one of them is huge. It's probably one of the biggest, maybe place of birth and big5 consc are bigger
Its a measurement, but I learned the smartest guy in the room and the most knowledgeable person in the room aren't usually the same person.
Much rather have/be one who can solve complex problems without prior knowledge instead of a walking encyclopedia, we have google for that.
Also, crystalized and fluid intelligence are related.
@@stello61 that is real intelligence. Not a trash can memory. Real intelligence is, atleast for me, being able to have deep thoughts, while at the same time being a fast thinker with an open mind.
@@stello61 *nice*
They never are.
@@stello61 Being very intelligent but not at all knowledgeable isn't useful.. You solve problems by connecting the dots. The dots are data. Knowledge. If there is insufficient data you can't solve a problem. Doesn't matter how fast you do it.
The only thing people with high intelligence and low knowledge are good for is making up conspiracy theories.
It took me long time to realise I’m a slow learner.
I sat and slapped like a seal over this joke, thank you 😂😂😂
Sorry for the cliche, but this is a criminally underrated comment.
@@humanormachine2936 right?!?!
lol
I got the joke pretty fast so maybe I'm not a slow learner.
I have a host of disabilities, slow learner, ADD, week short term memory, mild dyslexia and I think i'm "on the spectrum" too. Took me many decades to discover this. College was almost an impossibility for me, however I did manage to get through. Had a professional IQ test and came up with strengths and weaknesses scattered over the spectrum of knowledge. Averaged an IQ at 105. Think, I'm a strong in writing/verbal however, I don't care to write. I'm a machinist by trade and not the best either but experience has brought strength over the years. If you ask me, IQ is everything the pros say it is. It is real and meaningful. But its not everything in life. Love, character and hard work are qualities that may not be related to IQ and are sometimes more important.
Well said
I mean your Iq Is above average so you should be good
For me its simple: do the best Version of Urself and iq is neglectable. there is an Intelligence far greater than the analytical wich is the iq. And if u are the best Version its pretty likely u will Discover it
You are a strong writer and I admire your professional journey. I can tell you something about IQ that you probably already know. IQ has nothing to do with your happiness. A balanced approach to life is a very good idea for everyone, no matter your abilities.
@@HildmansBookEmporium Thanks!
Funny story about my sister. When she was in elementary school, her teacher called our parents and demanded they come meet with her. She told them that they needed to stop pushing my sister so hard. My parents were totally laissez-faire about our educations (odd, since our Dad had a PhD), so they were perplexed. The teacher said that she knew my sister had an IQ of 85 (I don't know where she got the number, but I think it was somehow based on the Otis-Lennon achievement test), and should not be able to perform at the level she was attaining...hence, she must be under horrible duress at home. This episode bugged my sister; so, when she had a chance to take the Wechsler in 11th grade, she jumped at it. She scored 160! She went on to get a PhD in math; was an ES3 at the Pentagon at age 35, and taught classes at MIT and Harvard.
PhD in math, good lord...
The teacher was too dumb to understand your sister, sadly the majority is not intelligent enough to understand the upper spectrum, I am glad that your sister hasn't got discouraged.
I went to a "sperimental" igh school where half of the class had an IQ of over 130, only one of us went to university after while 4 out of the people with an IQ under 120 have a degree, two of which were under 100
@@Michael-jq1hl Please don't judge "all teachers" based on your experience.
@@65minimom "majority" is what I wrote and "all" is what you read?
@@Michael-jq1hl Or the teacher was envious and perhaps even jealous, it happens unfortunately. IQ tests infamously give inconsistent results, especially if not given in the right circumstance with an experienced psychologist and can place dreadful expectations and limitations on people.
"Everyone on the internet is a genius and has atleast an IQ above 140" - Unknown
ShredderThruPaper / As Abraham Lincoln said, "You cannot believe everything you see or read on the internet."n
As a wise man once said- "It's called being SMART”
@YexaC
Wow, just wow.
@YexaC The type of people who try to convince you that they are correct because they have a high iQ are not the kind of people that are genuinely smart, or well researched on a topic.
I'm sure there is some overlap in socio/psycho individuals, but its not hard to figure out that that line or reasoning is pretty meaningless, and more importantly, just not very convincing.
@YexaC
I posted my comment out of amusement and astonishment. If that's what you need clarifying based on your response.
I was really stressed after scoring a 98.
After looking up the average IQ of my dream job being at the bottom 110 , but after watching this I feel much more capable.
10 Points don't make a huge difference I remember seeing. But it does start changing from 120 and up. I know people who are at the near very average (104, 99, 101) and one person who has a IQ of 110-115. And the 110- 115 IQ individual doesn't appear to be far different from the 100 IQ individuals. Maybe this is just them adjusting to other people as I do that myself.
Working hard trumps IQ in most jobs
How can 1 test measure someone's intelligence? It can't. For one thing, people have off days. Also, an accurate assessment will probably involve a range, in your case higher, probably much higher. But that is beside the point. Do what you want in life, and I believe you'll surprise yourself. The doctor is right in that in some cases these tests are diversionary and more helpful in buffeting egos than reflecting real life circumstances. Intelligence is probably an immeasurable quality that involves an interplay of factors namely, ambition, social interaction(eq), and environment.
Yes, machines have no IQ and does a lot of work and is working hard.
When I was in graduate school, I was given the job of administering a battery of psychological tests to a specific group. One of the women I tested was in graduate school at a prestigious university. She scored 100 on the Wechsler, and I was shocked--thinking it should be significantly higher. I also administered a test of her mental instability (MMPI) that indicated she was one of the most stable individuals I had ever tested. I did not want to give her the precise IQ number as I believed it would be humiliating; however, she paid for the test, and she pressured me for it. Upon disclosure, she smiled and said something like: Yeah, people always told me I was smart, but I knew I did well because I work hard. Now that was a stable sane response that so impressed me that I still recall it 40 years later. I have no doubt that she became successful in her career.
Does anyone else find Todd funny in a very dry way? I can't tell if it's intentional or not
Especially when he says one way to tell if someone might not like you is if - they vomit when they see you!!
He’s hilarious. I love his humor.
he reminds me of the psychic vampire from "what we do in the shadows" series.
I honestly think he's on the spectrum, albeit in a very subtle and high functioning way, which would explain coming off as 'unintentionally funny' (a common trait of Asperger's/HFA).
You're point is well made.
Thank you. Your help is much appreciated.
I'm a clinical psychology undergraduate, and I really appreciate what you do, cause there is very low amount of professional videos regarding this subject. Really appreciate your work Dr. Grande.
@Thomas Headley lol
Come on guys he’s an “undergrad” 😜
Brother Caleb an undergrad of psychology... might as well be working toward an art degree
Poor subject-verb agreement
@@blackerpanther3329 A psychology degree is not comparable to an art degree. Psychology is a very broad term. Admittedly sociology is pretty useless. Neuroscience, on the other hand, is incredibly useful.
High IQ is great if you also have common sense, wisdom & good judgement.
Good point.
And work ethic
All of which are assessed by IQ.
@@ngle4246 Wechsler contains common sense category, but many other IQ tests don't. And wisdom&good judgement? Well we can discover statistic positive relationships between those features and IQ, but only based on strict norms and not 'guess'.
IQ is different from common sense, moral sense, and formal Education. A high school dropout can be surprisingly smart and have a higher IQ than a Harvard professor. Which one is smarter? Or better question is...does it matter???
We don’t need to deny the existence of IQ, we just need to make sure we don’t use it as a measure of somebody’s worth. There is so much more to a person. Somebody could have a super high IQ but if they have poor people skills and low empathy, they would make a terrible doctor for example.
Exactly!
spot on
Well, empathy is not the measurement for technical skill. A doctor could lack in empathy (which most of them probably will lack over a certain period of time) And still do he's Job right.
sounds like the profile of someone with aspergers lol
Good example have seen that many times.
“People who boast about their IQ are losers” -Some dude in a wheelchair
What
@@flavio9313 It's a Stephen Hawking quote.
@@CounterPhilosopher a
@@flavio9313 b
@David Shields I’m just quoting Stephen Hawkens…
I took the Stanford-Binet (administered by my college), got 107, I'm not mad at it. Nothin' wrong with being average lol
I watched a documentary about people who had a high score. Most of them felt so different and weird that in the end they adapted to average people!
You are here at this channel. You are not average. There are a lot of sides to intelligence. Emotional, intellectual, imaginative, there is also wisdom, creativity and empathy, which is also a type of intelligence. IQ is representative of dry logic, association and doesn’t tell you much about the person. It is not just a number. But having an average iq doesn’t equal having average intelligence. I tested my iq when I was a child, it was over 140, I am not sure how accurate it was, but I wouldn’t care to find out it wasn’t true. But it is because I know how intelligent I am in so many ways that I don’t mind lacking some types of it. Having all types of intelligence at a high level is isolating, lonely, overwhelming and sometimes even depressing. Most people might seem boring, things too simp,e and not worth exploring. I prefer ingenuity and pleasure from discovery to a high IQ
@@BLONDIANN94 no hate. But it sounds like you think about it a lot.
@@BLONDIANN94 in the multi dimenstional reasoning of intelligence, its practically impossible to be average.
@@minirille3031 when you write no hate in the beginning, this means that is exactly what will follow. And you are actually wrong even though I don't see anything wrong with thinking. This video played automatically when I played videogames, and I saw the comment I wanted to respond to. But even if it was sth I would be thinking and researching a lot about, then what? I'll reveal a secret to tou, intelligent people think and analyze a lot no matter about what. Yesterday for me it was about AI testing and legal issues in civil and privacy law, 5G, personality disorders, ecommerce in B2C, strategy in a videogame, besides learning how to dialogue better with my partner, thinking about a trauma I still have and how to approach it etc. IQ is old news haha. But try thinking a lot, it will do you a lot of good. Thinking also prevents unconscious hate and passive aggression. Looks like you'd need some help with it and have things that hide beneath the surface and come out this way.
I actually had my IQ tested while they were giving me my initial diagnosis (because of mental health issues) as a teenager and back then they really tried to help me. Unfortunately adult psychiatry didn’t have time to follow up on this initial diagnosis and instead just medicated me into submission.
So now every time I go to a doctor I immediately get dismissed as over exaggerating everything. One example was when I had slipped and fallen on my foot and even a few days later couldn’t put any weight on it due to the intense pain. Not the first time I’ve slipped and fallen on ice, so I knew something was off, but I had to keep insisting on an X-ray after being told that I just needed to walk it off and it would get better on its own. Turned out that I had broken a bone in my foot and was told that I couldn’t put any weight on it for another month even after the cast was taken off. I’m mentally ill, therefore a doctor obviously knows better than I do, he’s sane after all.
My mom was a member of mensa and had an iq of 160 and it certainly wasn't "just a number". I'm from finland and I'm not sure if "lukio" translates to highschool or college, but she graduated with literally the highest possible grades and she taught me more at home than I ever learned in school. It was amazing how she could so easily understand pretty much everything she ever read or talked about.
In her case, the IQ score is quite valid. However, taking the long test, I know someone that got a 165. Taking the short test, he got a 162. The person, in question,is always in last place when it comes to everything in life, except physical health. I would venture to say he borders on being a human door stop. He is a complete loser, though he does stay healthy, which is something few seem to do today.
God. What a nightmare having a Mum like that.
Now imagine she had beaten you every day and not taught you anything. IQ is important sure, but it’s not the only important thing. Things like empathy and motivation also matter. A really high iq vs a really low one may say something but the difference between 100 and 110 isn’t much, I think that’s the point.
@@Epic-so3ek What I have noticed is just how inaccurate IQ tests are. It should not be used as a standardised way to measure intelligence.
my Dad read that Finland has the best learned graduates of high school........ he was shocked. but I said... look at a photo of their class rooms. he got it
I have always said that a high IQ and 50 cents gets you a cup of coffee. Many of the most successful people I know have average to slightly above average IQ's. By the same token, I have met people at Mensa meetings that barely got by in life. So in the long run I guess it is all a matter of what you do with what you have got.
IQ measures a small part of who you are. Additionally, if you highly deviate from the norm and compound it with some sort of training (not just in IQ but in anything), this hurts your chances of success since a large part of success depends on buy-in from others. There is less of a chance that what interests you interests others.... Unless you have a predilection for spending your intelligence on generating income.
No offense but the only people I ever hear use the same narrative you just did are people with low IQ. It’s like they don’t like the answer they get so they declare the result meaningless.
I dont know if I'm smart or not and I couldn't care less, but theres one thing about people who have a high IQ, that actually bothers me. Why do so many of them also have some sort of mental disorder? Its almost, as if the brain actually loses out in other areas. Why did noone ever research this? How do people with high IQ differ from people with low IQ? How do they differ from people with average IQ?
ShredderThruPaper / they are no more likely to have mental disorders than low IQ people. The difference is the smart ones get talked about when they are bad criminals. The dumb ones aren’t smart enough to get away with crimes for long so they rarely get mentioned.
Donald, you should watch Dr. Grande's video on Mensa.
" I am a wise man,I know one thing and that is I know nothing"- socrates
Didn’t the King say he was the most intelligent man in the world for that comment if I remember correctly?
@@HowToTutorialHelp I think it was the Oracle that said that.
You cannot know nothing if you know one thing.
Jonathan Tabor it's just a statement, doesn't need to be the obliterating truth. Also, how can you know that he knows he knows nothing? Thats the point.
@@fauberkaupfmann982 It's a paradoxical statement, or a self defeating statement if you'd rather. You cannot be telling the truth if you say "I know one thing and I know nothing" that argument cannot exist in reality it because it's a paradox. Like "This statement is false." it cannot be false if the statement is true and it cannot be true if the statement is false. My knowledge of what he knows is irrelevant. He claims to know nothing and yet he claims to know that he knows nothing so therefor he knows something and cannot know nothing. It's a paradox.
I was once taken in the back by a nurse in a mental hospital, who showed me my IQ results and asked me what the problem was with my life, because I scored pretty high on the tests. Alas, I think I am intelligent enough to come up with problems but not at all intellectually equipped to solve any of them :D
Being smart and having an active mind can be a blessing and a curse. If you're smart and score high in neuroticism, you can come up with many more scenarios and details to worry about than the average person.
What is your iq.
@@claudioestrella1160 The psychologist who took the tests never told me the exact number and I never asked. The document read that I "clearly scored high above average intelligence", which by the way doesn't really resonate with me at all in may ways. I am very bad at planning for example, and I am bad at solving certain types of social problems, and I'm bad at using any "intelligence" she thought I might have in any real productive manner. These issues might have something to do with my diagnosis, or then there was something wrong with the results of the IQ tests. In any case, I'm guessing IQ can be hampered with all kinds of mental issues, so perhaps under better conditions I could do more than I can now, or then she misdiagnosed my intelligence by a large factor somehow. Also, when I took the tests, I was in a relatively good place. I had little stress and anxiety about doing poorly or well in the tests. This doesn't describe my current situation. Sorry for the essay, but I haven't thought about this in a long time.
@@Lawh get better soon 😔
@@claudioestrella1160 Thank you, but unfortunately there is no getting better fron this at least with modern knowledge. Making my life easier though is possible, and I am slowly striving towards that goal. Thank you for taking the time to give me your support. It is greatly appreciated, my friend.
My IQ (measured by professionals) in elementary school was 134. I did finish college and had good results on exams. But I have schizophrenia and it’s really downing my quality if life. I have a work disability because of my illness and I have to take medication. Sometimes I get sad of what I could achieve if I didn’t have this illness. But that’s life, it’s not always easy or perfect. But we can’t give up on making a better quality life for ourselves even with an illness as difficult as mine.
I’m sorry. My ex wife had it in her family, her dad was committed to an institution and she clearly had odd thoughts. She was therefore terrified of hospitals and doctors and would never have treatment even when I urged it. We split (as couples do) and it made her 10X worse and lost touch with reality. I spent 3 years supporting her as I felt responsible. In the end she went back to her parents. It was the hardest time of my life and nearly ruined me. I know how difficult it is, but guilt is a terrible thing and it ate me alive.
I must be really smart because I've been able to employ the most rigorous, high level scientific research and experimentation to accurately and precisely determine that I'm a slow learner.
I had my IQ tested 3 times in school and the results ranged from 96 to 112; about the 83rd percentile. I graduated 77th out 444 in my high school class; so the 84th percentile.
I studied Chemical Engineering in college and did OK my first two years but really hit a wall my Jr year and changed majors.
My occupation (IT) places me in the 80th-90th percentile of socioeconomic status. My net worth and income are in the top 15% and 16.5% respectively in the US.
I'm glad I looked up this information. I;m doing about as well as could be expected from my IQ scores.
You are doing GREAT.
Not dismissing the importance of intelligence, but I wonder how hard you worked to get where you are?
Concientious, application, correct choices.
I have a 132 IQ, as administered by a psychologist when I was a child, but I still feel pretty average. I know from studying about gifted kids, that usually an increase in one area means a decrease in another. So, even though someone might have more IQ points, they might be lacking somewhere else ... like social skills, "common sense," emotional intelligence, executive function, emotional regulation, etc.
Also, I don't speak well, so I might be "smart," but I don't really sound like it and I have trouble explaining myself. I also find I have an all-or-nothing understanding, so I feel kind of dumb about a lot of things, but then there are the things I do know about and I feel pretty competent in them.
One odd thing was that I scored exceptionally well on the part of the IQ test where they read you a whole string of numbers and then you list them back, forward or backward. They said I had a really good short term memory. Not really! Maybe a 5-second memory! I have such a bad memory, I forget something as I'm walking from one room to the next and I have no idea why I had come into that room. I am tethered to my smart phone because I will forget appointments without my calendar reminders, and I have to take notes on many things or I will forget what was said in a meeting.
On the other hand, when I was tested, as a child, I think I did have a pretty good memory .... it just didn't last into adolescence. My daughter was given the COGAT test and was identified as gifted (that one doesn't give you IQ), and she already has a horrible memory, before adolescence. She also has ADHD, extreme trouble with organization, and struggles with social skills.
My brother has a 135 IQ, and he didn't graduate high school (he did pass his GED faster than the teacher had ever seen though). My brother now works in construction (although at 28 he made crew-boss and is currently being groomed to take over the business), is most interested in sports and how to wrap all of his food in bacon and serve it beside domestic beer, and he definitely doesn't seem "really smart."
Einstein was a genius who couldn't care for himself. Again, a gain in one area and a lack in another. I feel like it's almost like when you're distributing stats in RPGs ... you can put them all into one area, but you'll be lacking in another if you do it. :D
So yeah, I think that there are many types of intelligence, and IQ kind of only focuses on a narrow area. "Smart people" and "geniuses" might be advantaged in some areas, but they're often disadvantaged in others, and they're often ways that are pretty important to functioning in general society. And, of course, none of us is any better than anyone else. It's too bad people feel intimidated or even offended by higher IQs. We're no better than anyone, just different.
@@joskeguereza3714 Only recently have I stumbled across information about autism in females, and it has made me wonder. I think it would be extremely, extremely mild if anything, though.
Mind sync videos work wonders for improving memory and focus. Also, left handed people acquire knowledge from a creative standpoint, and then choose what needs to be committed to memory. Your skills necessary for navigating the smart phone, are proof that your memory works well on matters deemed important. Info overload is becoming an issue, as we seek to keep up with the latest, and the latest is ever changing so the mind doesn't see a pattern to commit to memory.
Got to agree on your over all point.
IQ may be important but it's not all that important.
Wisdom is better.
I'm smart in some areas but i don't got alot of book smart's.
I do have wisdom though and I'm only 28.
So I'm middle aged.
I think it's more likely where you focus and how you use your intelligence and not that because of your iq that you lack in other arias.I have a high iq but i don"t know exactly how much.
Yup, Chris Watts' IQ tested around 140-145 and look where that got him. My IQ is about 15 points less than that and I would never have done the stupid things he did. For him to think he could get away with murdering his wife and kids, then bury her in a shallow grave on his work site and his kids in the oil batteries is mind-boggling to me. Did he think he'd never get caught? In summary, a high IQ "ain't all that".
Yes, it's very useful, specially in your teens to guide to through your school choices
Although high IQ is predictive of success as you are able to do many things.
The problem with being able to do a lot of things is the illusion of choice and you are not guaranteed to make the right choice, high IQ or not
Pp
@@grazutissmith9647 hmm, I see, definitely
This happened to me. I did one of those "profesional orientation" tests that, among other things measured IQ (never told me my exact IQ though) and thwy told me "You can be whatever you want to be. No career is out of your reach. However, jobs that would suit your character the most are probably military or security jobs. Except you seem to also have problem with authority, so... good luck, dont know what else to tell you". Basically, they were useless for me
IQ is not "just a number", it's a measure. You can argue about it's significance, but it's not "just a number".
Well bigger is better, but it's also how you use it ... lel
It depends on your goal. If your goal is picking pizza toppings then IQ is pretty much just a number. Significance has a lot to do with goals, and the ability to meet them. In the grander scheme it will always have significance because people want it to for themselves in comparison to everybody else. But if they never took the test then it would have no significance. For someone who doesn't care about it no matter how high their IQ potentially is it really is just a number.
Actually IQ is made of 2 letters...those 2 letters are the initials of 2 words...but what u see its actually some pixels on a screen right now...so in essence something is the thing that remains if u tear apart the things around it that dont matter...witch then u remain with... nothing
People who say its just a number getting just Bad numbers 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Humanprototype-wh8qr No. Statistically it's a mild predictor of success. That's it. Even the so called smartest person that ever lived has accomplished jack. Quite a few of the people who don't care about IQ haven't even taken the test.
"We dont need to be smarter than them we just need to have more discipline than them"- Warren Buffett
That's coping
@@pemandangantube2468 warren already tested his iq, he got 150 + points.
@@heyzero1414 the fact that he is smart not validating his statement that you quoted
@@pemandangantube2468 Well that is obvious, but it also does not invalidate it.
@@pemandangantube2468 i said that because you said "its coping", but thats certainly not the case.
Truly intelligent people have two things in common:
1. The ability to extrapolate from incomplete data.
What's the other thing?
@@re-vb9ph tehe
@@re-vb9ph lol
Isn't that called guessing or intelligent conclusion
Intelligent deduction
I've always been well above average as far as IQ, but my daughter has IQ IN the top 2% of the world she is currently a JR in college and she's just turned 18. This is not a entirely due to her intelligence, but more based on motivation. She had always had a terrible time relating to people her age. She does better with older people. So in school and life she has had terrible adaptive interpersonal relationships and has emotional disturbance. As far as IQ being a benefit it is very dependant on environment. My other daughter is much closer to average and she had a life that is very balanced. My older daughter with average IQ will and has no issues navigating through life as she easily moves through life without any of the issues my daughter with super high IQ. so IQ is very subjective to what people find important. From an outsider to my kids it seems as though being average is much easier. Thanks for the videos and everyone's comments.👍 My high IQ daughter has absolutely no problems explaining what is going on with her self and seeing deeper depths of her environment.
I know what you mean. I had many social difficulties because of my intelligence, even though I never measured my IQ. My mom and my grandma were both very intelligent, and they had serious emotional problems, and that also affected me. For many years, I thought I had to adapt, even though I knew I was different, and I always failed to do so. Eventually I learned to cope with most of my personal problems through yoga and meditation. I think it's a good thing to be able to see so much depth in trivial things around me, and I believe that your daughter might also feel the same. Everything is so fascinating to me, but other people don't seem to think the same way. I feel that social interactions are a kind of distraction from what's really beautiful in life, mainly because people never show their true nature in everyday life. If only they knew how beautiful it was, maybe I'd feel more inspired to seek human contact rather than old texts, which speak more dearly and close to me than the abundance of false smiles available everywhere.
I really feel for your high IQ daughter. I was never at her level of motivation (dayum! You go girl!), but I skipped 2nd grade and was later put in gifted programs based on the IQ test they gave me in 5th grade. Growing up younger than my classmates was really challenging for me, and a lot of bullying resulted.
When my sister was facing the same choice, of entering my niece into school where she'd always be much younger than her classmates, she choose not to. She'd grown up seeing how hard it was on me socially, and she didn't want my niece to face that. Her solution for her is an accelerated school, something that wasn't available for us growing up, back when they believed "Girls mature faster than boys, it'll be fine", lol. And being around kids like her, at the same age, seems to be working well.
It wasn't just the age difference, though - I still have difficulty navigating social interactions as a middle-aged woman, lol. I assume people will be just as interested in certain things as I am (and all the intricacies of why this or that is amazing), so I have a tendency to launch into topics like science or the future, only to be met with blank stares. I have to reel things in a lot, and keep it to what feels mundane to me. It's way easier now, just with experience and finding other people that want to relate on that level. But, yeah, I imagine she's always going to be challenged here.
And honestly? While I love how my brain works (well, sometimes - got some bipolar going on, too), sometimes I wish I was more average. It does seem easier, and, well, less lonely.
I hope she's able to find her tribe, and learn how to navigate all this.
@@lunacouer IQ is lie
@@lunacouer As someone with an average IQ, I would probably be very engaged with those topics. I feel that’s more to do with personality than IQ.
As an introvert, I don’t only covet the competency of a high IQ, but the imagination. If my “inner-world” is a park, theirs is a lush wilderness.
The fact that Einstein came up with the theory of relativity while walking around, daydreaming makes me so jealous
🌚🌞
why would i care about my IQ Score when my Brain develops multiple psychological disorders anyway ?
You shouldn't and good point. I know several people with very high IQ scores. One is never happy, another suffers depression and another is an alcoholic. Intelligence isn't everything. I'd rather be perfectly average or less and be happy, healthy and good. I also know more than several people who don't seem to know very much or are unsophisticated who are kind, giving, helpful, cooperative, happy and healthy.
@@virginiamoss7045 my bf has an high IQ & hes the sweetest man i know. It hard for them thats why alot of them commit suicide. It can be lonely for them.
@@virginiamoss7045 Mistakes were made, "Iq is not everything not inteligence is not everything" Iq is not inteligence therefore. If inteligence includes to no be alcoholic and possibly maybe somehow to not get depressed which is maybe a bit more farfetched, but why not. To make it simple, there are insanely good reasons to argue that my Smart Phone is more inteligent than me, and some insanely good reasons to say a dog is more inteligent than the Smart Phone, think about it. So iq is not inteligence no matter how u slice it.
@@virginiamoss7045 This is pretty common actually. Most of smartest people I know (and since I went to hs for gifted students, I tend to know a lot of those) are either totally socially inept and depressed, somewhat autistic and dont care about fitting into society (those I consider lucky in a way), or addicted to substances. Few of them have commited suicide too, by the age of 23. Being intelligent is not as fun as people think it is
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It is insignificant
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It won’t give information one can act upon
The producer of the video decided to make a video upon having this information,so he acted upon it
I was considered a 'gifted' child but by the time I was in middle school, I had a lot of trauma from emotional, sexual and some physical abuse and I was diagnosed with autism (asperger's, but I don't use that label), OCD, and major depression. From age 11, I've been in a constant state of severe depersonalization and derealization. I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD, BPD, PTSD (from both childhood and recent trauma), general anxiety and bipolar disorder. I'm in the worst mental health of my life and I'm barely able to perform basic tasks and I get confused and lost easily. I want to go back to school and major in cognitive psychology but I doubt I'll be able to achieve what I want to. I fear I don't have the mind for it.
Hey I'm rooting for you. You can do what you put your mind to! ✌
Spend a day in nature for your soul. Blessings
As a young kid I was considered bright and funny but experienced years of trauma and bullying. I got diagnosed with ADD early in my life, more recently getting diagnosed with OCD. It sucks I know I have more potential. My memory is flawed in comparison to my philosophy and understanding life. I would enjoy talking with you.
Don't defeat yourself. The worst that can happen is you just flunk. But if you flunk, it is not because of your IQ score, it is because you did NOT study!!!!!!!
@@serratedcreature890 Sounds like you're going through something similar to me. I've had psychotic symptoms develop recently and I've been actively suicidal for years. I've been hospitalized three times for suicide attempts and plans since posting this comment 5 months ago. I basically have no dopamine to spare. I'm also not a man. I'm trans and had an orchiectomy, which means that now the only testosterone I produce comes from my adrenal glands. I take estrogen for HRT.
I have severe ADHD, so I need to get that treated because right now, it's untreated. Along with all my other mental disorders, I'm struggling just to stay alive at this point. When I'm in good spirits, which is very very rare, my drive to learn comes back full swing, and I want to have that back for good.
Knowing my IQ further helped me explore my differences. For a large part of my early life I thought I suffered from some mental retardation because I could not fit in despite my incessant attempts to imitate others' behavior.
After taking the WISC and having an IQ in the gifted area, I discussed more with my psychologist and with a few tests it was concluded that I had Asperger's Syndrome, or ASD as it's diagnosed nowadays according to the DSM-5.
Did you fild a solution to your social problems?
When I was 14 I took an IQ test in highschool, with my class. Later I was
told by my mother that I scored average. So I thought I wasn't very smart. But I did alright in highschool, and eventually earned a BA degree and became a registered nurse. So I think we keep learning throughout life.
Why would an average IQ not be enough for a nurse? Average is not bad. Remember that half of the people are below average, so you could say it's likely you are a bit smarter than half of everyone.
Thank you. I had to work very hard, but hard work never hurt anyone!
Mickey Farley, My point is that even with an average I.Q. at age 14, with hard work and study, one can achieve one's goals, and keep learning throughout life!
@@ginny5937 Perseverance is sometimes more important than intelligence. You sound like you have it in spades.
@machintelligence, Thank you so much, I really appreciate that! You are a kind person and probably have the ability to cheer people up; and that's priceless! 😉
I was intelligent but since I've developed depression and anxiety I'm stupid now.
when you are under stress you release chemicals that makes it difficult to concentrate
my IQ is 120 but after depresion problems lowerd to 107
Lol i shouldn't be laughing but this type of self deprecating humor gets me. I wonder if im on the autism spectrum or im just an asshole 😭
I once read that having severe depression can drop your score on an IQ test by up to 30 points. I don't know if that's true, but having had a lot of experience with depression and the accompanying concentration problems, it does seem reasonable to me.
@@camerinagonzalezcg i recently discovered that i'm probably an aspie and it explains a lot.
I took a Iq test in 1980, I was ten years old, they stuck me into gifted classes.
But when I was 18, the military tested me twice with tests.
I ended up in Nuclear Reactor Controls on a Navy Aircraft Carrier. So I think Iq tests are generally accurate.
If you are bright you will always score better than most.
But a test cannot completely capture a persons intelligence.
So they have to be taken with a grain of salt.
military intelligence is an oxymoron
I’d be interested in knowing how IQ varies after traumatic brain injury when IQ has been tested both prior to injury and after.
In very rare cases it can bolster an individuals abilities in a given area. Alot of the times it stabilizes and doesent change for average head injuries like conclusions, but a bad brain injury can lower IQ.
I’m sure it varies a lot depending on the area of the brain that was damage
I have bumps on my head because I'm tall and too dumb to duck.
@@gerrycook8076 me too.
@@gardenguster5271 repeated head blows over the years does cause lower iq and dementia. Consusions with a recovery period however return to normal brain function.
I am autistic and the WAIS had two or three three standard deviations above but all the others were far below, one of them in the down at 78. I have a PhD but I have a very bad employment history and can't do the job market. I can't adjust to the system.
Your score of 78 correlated with short term memory evaluation?
So you dont work as a teacher or a professor then? I to kinda hate the job market, it's a drone mentality I gotten sick of thinking about. From my perspective at least. However I can see why people can get addicted to it aka career etcetera. If I could do a PhD, I would aim to become a professor. Well I wouldn't need to be one of those high performing ones, that gets famous for their research, just work as one would be enough. But I am too old now, I was not focused enough, because I didn't know any better. I am 33, and if I where let's say 24-25 I would still consider it given I have a Bachelour, and a master would be possible after just 2 years (sweden). Then 3-4 years of writing the dissertation would put me at the age I am now pretty much. So if I had my PhD diploma now at 33, it would be alright. It's not great, a friends father got his first dissertation done at age 23 and his second at 25. So yea... but that's life I guess.
My brother struggled through high school and graduated, but could not get into any reasonable college. He joined the navy and learned aviation mechanics. He is absolutely brilliant at that, constantly catching things that others miss and creating solutions no one else can think of. He was let go several times by air lines who wanted speed, not accuracy or responsibility. He just could not interview well for jobs at all; it still is a nightmare for him, but he found his niche with companies who owned corporate aircraft where concern for safety and accuracy was paramount. He also piloted those small jets for them and was paid well. We now know that he has ADD so he has done well in his niche, but not in other areas. He made it work for himself, though.
That is so interesting. I have taught kids with autism and that is something that seems to be common. They have uneven abilities. They may may be unable to talk yet can do calculus. Or they are reading in preschool but have a real hard time with forming letters and writing words in first grade. And then there are savants who may not speak but can play the piano at a young age. We really need to value people for what they can do not what they can’t.
78 I.Q. and a PhD?
What is your PhD in? 😬
I liked the reference to a car going over 50 when the speedometer only goes to 50. It put the idea of someone having a extremely high IQ into perspective for me.
So a person claims to have a super high IQ. If so, that should be very easy to demonstrate. Do something smart. It is very simple. If you can't do that, your IQ is obviously and demonstrably back in the normal category with the rest of us. Please do something smart, or stop being a jerk.
Tests like the WAIS-IV may struggle to estimate >160, but this doesn’t mean that IQ can’t be somewhat accurately measured higher. Toilet Paper is a respected psyconmetrician who creates high-range IQ tests, he is the smartest man alive, even his brain bulges out of his head. The Praffe Effe gang will agree with me.
I think intelligence is really amazing and confusing all at once.
I'm bad at high level math, good at head math. Bad at writing fiction, good at writing papers. Good at memorizing facts and basic details, but bad at remembering faces, events, etc. Intelligence really is way more than an IQ test.
But, it's also only fair to give IQ tests the benefit of the idea that most of the intelligence types tested there are what apply directly to education and the workplace, so they're accurate as far as what they care to predict. I'd say they have probably only a 65% of something correlation with how likely a person is to find a long term relationship and all kinds of stuff that depends more on separate types intelligence than work/school though.
I think if Emotional intelligence, psychological intelligence etc was included with IQ tests, it would be a closer indentification of a complete score.
It would be if we could reliably test eq to begin with. To throw a random variable into a stable equation seems a bit silly.
I agree but eq is seemingly trainable, meanwhile IQ is not. So this would be a non-onstant as well.
I am interested to hear you speak on the correlation between those with a higher than average IQ and mental health disorders like depression and anxiety.
I was tested in a facility for various things to try and possibly address major depressive disorder and IQ was amongst them. It was found that my iq was at 134. I still struggle with PTSD and major depressive disorder and I see that those types of mental disorders(maybe not PTSD, but anxiety disorders in general) are very common for people like me.
I don’t personally think having a high IQ has made me any better of a person, as I haven’t actually accomplished anything and my MDD and other disorders make me pretty miserable.
I have an average IQ and also very neurotic. It’s possible there’s a correlation with high IQ and negative emotion, but he also stated personality doesn’t predict IQ, so who knows. Also, IQ is only one predictor of success. You may have a high IQ, but be low in conscientiousness and that will be a hinderance to your success. Same if you are neurotic, which you seem to be. If you have a low IQ but high in conscientiousness, that can help balance it out and you may achieve more success. So many factors to consider.
I think the main problem with IQ is, that it is an attempt to quantify an entire set of different skills, and then gives the appearance of being predictive for any one individual skill within that set. People can be smart as a fox with numbers and dumb as a bloke with other people or vice versa. Dividing an absolute IQ into emotional IQ, social IQ, practical IQ, etc... helps a bit, but it does not escape the problem, that at the core of the term itself lies a logical fallacy, namely an induction problem.
You can make people solve a whole lots of quizzes, riddles and tests and then come up with a number that determines their average score, but that average score says next to nothing about how good that person will perform within any specific challenging situation, that may come up in their future.
You don't use college dropouts to build bridges and fly planes. Even among shepherds, the more intelligent ones have larger herds.
I'm already depressed enough as it is.
Good news: IQ is positively correlated to depression. Hard to tell if that's really good news or not.
@@THEFRISKIESTDINGOJust speculation based on my experiences and observances-- that's not necessarily good or bad. Is what it is. Emotional intelligence/ being on good terms with who we are/ our place is much more important. People with high IQ seem to tend to struggle because of how messed up this world/ society really is, misunderstands them, and gives little wiggle room/ compassion and especially to mood or other mental disorders (which people with iq seem to be positively correlated with perhaps, but far from always?)
Again overall, isn't a good or bad thing to be smart or not smart. More just matters are we leading a fulfilling life that gives us enough joy. Sustainability, happiness, smarts, etc. can come and go// don't mean much anyways without a firm foundation/ without knowing what your rough place or purpose in life is
Edit: & Of course being open to new ideas and evidence is much more important than trying to find all the answers and thinking you have everything figured out; pretty obvious though in my opinion (tho I guess a lot of people aren't science/ engineering or equiv majors, and just know what they know thru deceptive popular media, and likely fall for cocky confident presenters more than skepical wary presenters (can be a grey area, not always black and white tho)
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@@Dman9fp Damn bro this is a UA-cam comment section. Chill out.
@@willvader6972 Sour grapes ...
Great, informative video! While IQ can only explain a certain amount of the job performance *on average for the relevant distribution as a whole*, if you're unsure if you'll be able to do the job pretty much at all or be able to get through the education, it's still a good idea to test yourself, because it predicts a lot better at the bottom margin.
At least for technical academic stats, which is what I've looked at for myself, tends to be declining IQ vs passrate has a wide and fairly flat downward sloping line to a point where it suddenly gets narrow and drops rapidly to almost zero. Definitely worth making sure before you drop 4+ yrs and several 10k$ on something you may not even be able to do.
Also where stats for subtests are available, tends to be some of them predict a lot better than others for certain fields.
This is why,I believe, affirmative action can cause more harm than good. These young people who would do just fine at San Jose State University, fumble and often drop out of U.C Davis or California's flagship, U.C. Berkeley.
I'd say the main reason why the concept of IQ is so touchy, is because historically it has been central to many eugenics arguments. So yeah, no surprise there.
I thought I was a slow learner because I had to work hard to get good grades. Nothing came easy.
When I started college I paid to have my IQ checked and it came back 120, above average but not a rocket scientist.
I was really glad to find I wasn’t an imbecile.
I now live in SoCal 5 miles from the beach in a $2 mil home, no debt, speak two languages and have a voracious appetite for learning.
"Speed is just a number" lol
So is the fine!
If we apply that same logic to age, we get the same excuse pedophiles use to hit on little children
Try using that one in court! 😂
grams of it are just a number too
Fast driving is not better (it is just faster) than mid-speed driving .. by the way someone with IQ of 160 performs more effectively in less majors than someone with IQ of 110 because he took it for granted so he won't learn more skills to adapt with new situations because he gets SO BORED
I was tested in my freshman year at university by the psychology department at 115. The test did test different aspects if intelligence. The one area that stood out for me was in the area of abstract thinking where I scored 150+.& explained enough for me to understand some of my life issues and being different than many others. It explains my daydreaming in primary and even high school. At the same time my interests in art, philosophy, psychology, physics, meta physics, theology; especially at concept level. It was interesting though that in contrast I struggled with memorisation of things like names and dates which seems to be the basis of first year college exams for psych 101. Aptitude tests predicted I would fail my first year of university and I almost did then every year after my grades went up as courses became more in tune with ideas and concepts over memorisation. On the basis of my creativity, experimentation and ability to generate possibilities even gave me an in to graduate school. The whole point here of this long preamble is that had I not learned about the abstract thinking part of the measurement I may have given up my studies because of my low marks and the prediction of the aptitude stest in high school. Knowing I shared qualities like Einstein and others though pushed my interest to grasp ideas and concepts. It explains why I did well with geometry but struggled with basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. In English in composition I impressed teachers with creativity yet struggled with simple grammar, and spelling. I discovered my Min was racing so fast over ideas I had going through my head I had no time to get them out and concentrate on the basics of communication. Even now at 72, I struggle communicating so others understand. Perhaps why in personality testing I come out as INFJ the rarest type and suspect also an undiagnosed individual with autism. Perhaps if you read this you might try to explain the differences in all these tests and how they might overlap and how they also separate in attempting to understand individuals. Sometimes I feel like I see a bigger picture but have not the skills to communicate it to others. It is like your video on Jordan Peterson you mentioned how you struggled understanding some of his points and asked others if they found him the same. They agreed with you. I have watched a fair number of his talks p, presentations and podcasts and get what he is talking about. It is in my mind theoretical but nicely fits together and yet to be proven. Then again how can anyone prove God? Okay my thoughts ran away with me here. Am hoping I might get more puzzle pieces from your understanding to help explain my own strange patterns more clearly.
I am just starting to see some patterns and I can relate to everything you are saying I need help? Please I’m desperate?
To the respondent asking for help, I ask I described several factors so not sure how to help. I can ĺisten and perhaps ask appropriate guiding questions. Most answers for me are within ourselves. We seek, collect data reflect ask God for guidance and discern from patterns you identify and get insights.from? Change for me has happenedbecause of ahha moments that heĺshift past thinking into new paradigms in my thinking.
I took an IQ test with a psych and I feel like my score was lower than it should have been because I had been so incredibly anxious. When I'm anxious I have a hard time thinking straight--I mean, I was shaking during that test. Why I was so nervous, I don't know, but I can't help but wonder if that effected the accuracy.
It did. There's a bell curve with how anxiety effects your scores on iq tests. For example, too little of anxiety can increase boredom and actually decrease scores.Same with too much
Yeah that’s true, especially with complex questions where you need to think deeply about them.
If the psychologist had been smart and/or cared about their job, they would have taken that into account.
No matter how anxious you were it would affect the final score by a maximum of 3 points
Short answer. Yes, but who cares? Your motivation, desire and ability are more important than an IQ number. What are you passionate about? That is the most important question, not memorizing a series of 10 numbers.
I can say from experience that intelligence is important, but it's definitely not everything. My husband is no slouch with an IQ in the high 130's. This has been reflected in his career and he's been very successful. He's also dependable, punctual, reliable, and he works harder (and more consistently) than anyone I've ever known in my life.
Our son was VERY intelligent. He had behavioral problems when he was young and was heavily evaluated twice by child psychologists. His IQ was just shy of the genius mark.
And he was a disaster. He had no discipline. He had no self control. He was all about immediate gratification. He also had issues like the inability to feel fear, guilt, shame, or worry and had a severely reduced sense of empathy and NO boundary recognition.
His short life was very happy... for HIM. He took way too many risks. He was an undependable employee and - although he aced every test - he didn't do homework and didn't continue past high school. He died doing something stupid on a motorcycle.
Obviously intelligence isn't everything. It can be an important factor, but there are so many more qualities and characteristics that a complete human being must bring to the table for long term success.
I've always thought of IQ as the "acceleration" of learning.
85 = Complex skills will require continual re-learning. It's illegal to put you in the army without a waiver.
115 = This person generally "picks things up quickly." _vroom_
130 = This person makes connections between ideas or skills intuitively, and will likely struggle with depression and developing work ethic. _vroom vroom_
145 = This person is equally likely to be brilliantly useless as they are to experience severe interpersonal problems, but maybe 5% of this very small group will become Elongated Muskrat. _vr-vr-vr-VROOM VROOM LOOK OUT_
This is a top tier comment
THEFRISKIESTDINGO The description of 130s IQ fits me perfectly
i feel like its pretty wrong in my opinion
@@blockvfive1196 Low IQ energy. The speed of integration is what IQ is meant to quantify.
135 here and that's definitely correct. :(
would love to see a video about the different subtypes of high-IQ people, including the ones that totally mess up their lives, and end up living in their mom's basement. Possible causes/comorbidities/consequences on mental health issues?
There is more to success than IQ. Adding these 2 things is what is required.
1) LOW NEGATIVE EMOTION
2) ABILITY TO WORK HARD CONSTANTLY
It is vital for identifying child prodigies who could benefit from extra education outside of school. Tracking is banned of course, but it would be useful to the parents to get on gifted things outside of school like Chess, private math instruction ect...
I agree with you. I was tested at school in kindergarten in 1968. They wanted to know why I was already reading at a third grade level at five years old. I tested relatively high (137) and it did seem like, at least in elementary school, that although there was nothing for gifted/talented, my teachers knew I sometimes needed more challenge.
I really love your channel. It is informative, neutral, and credible. I always learn something from each video. This one for instance is no exception.
Totally agree about online IQ tests. I took one of those and scored a 136 which is ridiculous. If I'm lucky my IQ is between 115, and maybe 120. Taking a real IQ test could shatter your life, so I would tread lightly before taking one. There are many variables predicting your success in life, but IMO IQ is the most significant one. The stronger your math skills the higher your IQ is IMO.
i was considered "Gifted" as a child, and was placed into Gifted Courses in which i was the youngest by far. i never had my IQ tested due to a lack of resources on my familys end (no fault, just an explanation), and since that time, mental illness, adhd, and a host of other factors has withered away the 'testable' aspects of my intelligence. my forte was english, and i haven't finished a book in a year at least, i forget how to spell words, and i have a hard time processing information. i never graduated high school, and despite having a good passing score in the Hi-Set, and rationally knowing that i'm at least of average intelligence, i still sometimes feel awful because i wasn't tested as a Gifted Child, and therefore my intelligence must be 'lesser than' others in that group. this makes me feel much better about the whole thing...
TL;DR + aside from the rambling, thank you for this. your videos are always informative and show multiple sides of every situation.
That's extremely relatable man. I feel you
Rowan S it all depends on the environment. If a person is in an environment that favors the development of intelligence (their specific one) then they'll be regarded as intelligent. If she's in another environment that favors another type, she'll most likely be put aside, for the moment.
I.Q. is a measure of academic learning, or of a highly specialized type of crystallized intelligence(knowledge retention). The closest the I.Q. test gets to testing your fluid intelligence("off the cuff"/"freestyle") is via _speed._
Yet, because the test relies on speed of answers to what's essentially a math and english test, it also becomes a highly specialized focus on a small part of *fluid intelligence.* The real problem with I.Q. tests is how they measure an incredibly small facet of the Human Intellect, and yet create a delusion that this is: "all that matters about intelligence".
I.Q. scores are defended online by closed minded bigots against perceived: "idiots", who have different, but equally valid, opinions. I.Q. is how "nerds" feel *_special,_* and it's a way to artificially pump up your self-esteem.
I know this, because I too once relied on a: "high I.Q. score" to make me feel self-important. It's asinine.
I agree.
You were doing really well there until that last sentence!
Knowing that you have a higher than average I.Q. score is a piece of self knowledge that can help you more successfully navigate through life. For instance, If your I.Q. is 40 points over the norm, you might have difficulty connecting with those who have I.Q.'s closer to the norm. It's good to know exactly what your differences are and why you seem to function differently than others. Using your score to feel self-important of course, is self delusion, not self knowledge. There are advantages to a high I.Q. score as well as disadvantages.
@@shelleyscloud3651 The: "It's asinine!" one?
@@Cristozen1 I agree that an I.Q. test can help you identify traits about yourself, so you can make more educated decisions about your life. I don't think there's any significant difference between high and low I.Q. people though.
A person not being able to get along with average I.Q.("normies"/regular folk) is unlikely to be about I.Q. specifically. It's vastly more likely that it's a function of introversion and neuroticism. Again, I speak from experience, 😁
Thanks I got a lot of understanding out of your video. Can you make one about how to increase intelligence?
Talk about “damning with faint praise”! Best job I’ve ever seen…thank you, Dr Grande for this detailed, masterly exposition!
Discipline, ambition, optimistic outlook and decency towards others trumps general intelligence in terms of success and happiness in life. Not to minimize intelligence. It’s just there’s so much more to the picture.
Given my life experience, I believe intelligence may be a bell curve of sorts, but with a strong lean toward the low end, not a normal distribution.
Awesome video Dr. Grande! What are your thoughts on relational frame theory and increasing iq. Recent studies indicate a 23 point increase in iq in the experimental group.
Intelligence develops primarily in response to complexity, so the more complex societies gradually require higher intelligence.
I spent some time talking to a military recruiter this weekend, he said that only about one out of five people that want to go in the military have a high enough IQ that he deals with. It has to be 83. The military with over 110 years of experience have decided there is no job for someone with IQ below 83 .
Correct. At an IQ 83 you simply don't respond adequately in stressful situations. And the more complicated your military job is - your IQ matters more. Fighterpilots have generally very high IQ.
Everyone below 83 gets a job as cannon fodder. So they are important.
People with certain conditions are harder to tag. I am Asperger and I find that I am incredibly good at some things, some times, but I am incredibly stupid at others in different situations. In college it was incredible, early in every course I was the stupidest guy ever, and people thought that. But later, close to the summer, it was the opposite, every answer was in my head, every reaction.
Apparently Aspergers are bad with new situations, something about very high activation (arousal) levels.
I suppose that the same thing happens with a lot of things. Depression affects the IQ, people that tend to be depressive or bipolar, who knows what their capabilities really are? Anxiety disorders, some people is very anxious, how can you take a measure of his or her IQ in a reliable way if the person is gonna freak out immediately? Lack of attention, hyperactivity disorder, being too tired, etc...
To take the real IQ of someone you would need to take three or four different measures in different moments to be sure but, since the person would learn the questions of the test, it would invalidate everything.
That's why when, as a professional, I receive someone with a relatively low IQ in his file I just don't pay too much attention. I'll wait to know the person to put it in context.
I always worried foe the way some of my colleagues take those scores, as some sort of religion, like if the IQ was a perfect measure of the intelligence of someone. Crazy.
It's funny that people are all about "you can do anything you set your mind to", but then they start measuring your potential.
So true. Both are stupid.
"its funny that people" ... WHO? WHAT PEOPLE?
@@nostro1940 people like Peterson. Read 12 Rules For Life by JP and you'll see what I mean.
@@SrbijaCG yes, I Know him like everyone else. I missed that part where he says "you can do anything you set your mind to"
Maybe cause he never said such thing.
He is also known for being a target of people who like to make up quotes on things he never said
@@nostro1940 Read his book. And the "you can do anything you set your mind to" is a common saying by optimists and psychologists who lean in that direction.
I compensate my lack of intelligence with persistence
I bet your way more intelligent than you think.
I compensate for my lack of persistence with intelligence 😂
You have one at least
@Onion Potato lmfao
6:38 read in subtitles who you truly are
Sorry bebe you’re ghey
HOW DID YOU KNOW?!?!?!?!
Not worth it??! But if i test high, won't that mean I automatically win all my online arguments?
Would love to see a video about the impact of learning disabilities on IQ, and whether IQ can be used as an accurate representation of a learning disabled person’s potential, given the possible disparity between verbal and performance IQ.
It's been 23 years since I was tested formally. It's the only IQ test I've ever taken. It was suggested by a teacher that I think had an unhealthy obsession with me as her "favorite student". IN NO WAY did I deserve this title. I think the purpose was for something that looked good on record for college acceptance. I don't really remember the questions, but I DO REMEMBER the questions bothering me because I disagreed with it being TRULY a measure of what I consider "intelligence". Intelligence is a very vague term. There's many facets to it.
To make a long story shorter, I don't think my score, compared to others I know that I consider FAR MORE INTELLIGENT, was fair. I scored exceptionally high, and without my permission, it was made public to everyone she could tell. It was NOT a good thing for my social life by ANY stretch of the imagination, and I can fully understand why it made other people resent me. I don't believe this test depicts the true overall intelligence of a human being without bias. At least it didn't in 1998.
IQ is a number only when yours is below the average.
Or way above.
IQ a great way to divide people and but them into categories. It is elitist and like wealth is used to determine who is inferior and superior. those with higher IQ are viewed as superior even if people don't admit it, not like height more like wealth and royal bloodlines. a person with a higher IQ is like royalty compared to a person with a low IQ score.
@@Tethloach1 that's why I believe William Stern wasn't thinking straight when he came up with the terminology Intelligencequotient in 1912.
For my personal convenience, I like Rene Descartes and his COGITO ERGO SUM much much better.
@@NathanaelKuechenberg I think that any definition of intelligence that has wide social implications should be rigorously tested and questioned until it meets every persons standard of excellence. It should not be vague or have any amount of error in it if we are to take it seriously on a wide social scale any amount of error or doubt and it should be discredited and put on hold.
@@Tethloach1 another thing to add is unless the test creators themselves were gods or geniuses beyond measure, the correct answer might be different than what's on a test.
A wise man is seldom glad
-Attributed to Odin, All Father
Kidding, I know wisdom and intelligence is different. I just like this saying.
Is it though? How does a wise man know what is wise/sage. Isn't that the fore mentioned Intelligence peeking through?
IQ science is dismal. Nobody who studies it likes what it says.
@@Zombie_Burger it is... Wisdom is more of a character trait...
While intelligence is more of a capability trait...
A wise man is patient etc...
An intelligent fool has an iq of 160 but is rash, impulsive etc...
@Kyle Whitehead IQ science shows that people are canalized into success categories by their IQ. You can wish for the moon and the stars, but wish in one hand etc. There are very few iron laws in the social sciences, but here is one for you: smart people are going to be successful, people who are not smart are probably going to be less so. That is just a fact, and there is very little that you can do to change it.
Then I must be the wisest person on Earth.
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This was an interesting video to listen to, especially when the significance for and against were argued. On the surface I agree and feel that IQ is important to know but being one facet it isn't the most important thing to know. A person needs to be looked at in a whole person view taking into consideration all accounts of personality and behavior. Those that just look at IQ and judge solely on that aspect are cheating themselves and the person they are viewing.
Well said
My IQ was measured in school at 135, in the 98th percentile. I am good with concepts and am a professional, award winning writer. But I have ADHD, a learning disability, and I was not able to really function as a student (although I loved reading). This was so frustrating you can't believe it. Still is very hard. I was left back a year at prep school and was going nuts. Then, in college, I developed a mental illness. So I have two problems. I did not learn exactly what ADHD was until middle age. I think Dr. Grande is underestimating the effect of IQ, although I love his shows. If you have a high IQ ADHD mind, try writing. I hope schools become more adept at identifying learning disabilities.
I had a Wechsler test done at around age 7, while living in central Europe, during the 1970's / early 80's and scored 143. My lack of social- performance always frustrated my parents, along with my ''generalized-disinterest'' in school, as well as typical social-situations and associated activities. Many years later, I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder as well as BPD (borderline personality disorder). While in school, I felt much better attending classes only when I knew there was ''something to do'' aka ( upcoming required tests or exams), and typically did well during those times. I eventually dropped out of HS and got a GED, scoring within the ''honor-student'' range / higher than required. I imagine this basic scenario has happened within many other families to date. I often wonder what role BPD + bipolar disorders have actually played in all of this...
With the standard IQ test in school, my IQ was measured at 145. However, I did one of those online ones and I got 98 which is below average. lol. Someone can have an IQ off the scales but not know how to navigate the world. And someone who is illiterate can be able to get along well with others.
Can we determine at all for example, does IQ actually predict health, or does the lifestyle that influences IQ also tend to lead to longer lives? ie, having access to better education and nutrition means better IQ testing, and better health in general.
if knowing your IQ boosts your confidence, it's important. if it makes you insecure, it's equally important.
Dr.Grande Please would love to see personality profiles on 1)conederarate general Jubal Early, general James Longstreet(their handwriting's so very different-even for the times)general Robert Lee, Ulyses Grant, William Sherman, President Lincoln. I also think a profile on Napoleon would be most interesting . It would also keep your channel
Motivation is a greater predictor of overall job performance rather than an IQ test. The WAIS is a good predictor of general knowledge and will give indications of a persons strengths and weaknesses in learning. However, it can only suggest that a person may perform well within a particular academic discipline . At the end of the day the persons desire to succeed is the most important variable, not intelligence. However, in a clinical situation such as an institution for the mentally handicap the WAIS is a good predictor of future learning and helps to identify visual perceptual problems that may present themselves for a particular type of training. For the general population, IQ evaluations are not relevant. Motivation and desire to succeed are of greater importance and those factors cannot be measure very accurately, but may be observed as time goes by.
Thanks man, that helped me actually)
I`m studying psych right now so thats something i definitely should know!
I thought "emotional intelligence" wasnt really a thing. As it is more correlated to one of the 5 big traits than your actual intelligence.
That's true.
Ignore it when people say it's a form of intellect
A pretty annoying thing about a lot of the tests is that they seem to phrase questions following scenarios "what are you gonna do?" rather than "what does the person want you to do?". I'm always curious how many people don't tick the right box out of disobedience rather than lack of understanding.
very interesting video doctor.
where can I take an IQ test?
Be cautious when taking the WAIS or SB tests. If you go in very tired and/or stressed, you are likely to get a much lower score than you would normally. Three years ago, I got a score of 86 on the WAIS after a sleepless night and in a very stressful state. Yesterday, I was tested again. This time, when I had slept well and was at ease, my score was 123.
I've listened to other discussions about IQ by people like Jordan Peterson. While it was certainly informative it always left me feeling something of essence was missing despite all the information presented. You hit the nail on the head. To truly determine one's intelligence we need to be able to measure other aspects of the person besides just intelligence. I would have appreciated if you'd touched on the controversy regarding The Bell Curve studies but perhaps that would deserve a separate video.
It would be interesting that you made more videos about intelligence and myths about it. Multiple intelligences, are they real? Emotional intelligence, is it real? What does it actually mean? Fluid and cristalized intelligence...
There is a lot of contradiction information about this.
Before even watching.... I've learned that IQ is MORE important than people tend to believe. Two factors that predict success in life are consiencousness and IQ.
socio-economic success at least
why am I suddenly hankering for lobster
The last two sentences before Dr. Grande spoke his ending ritual "Whenever I talk about..." were the best.❤ It is easy to speak about this topic in an easygoing way - if you have enough of it. Due to my mental illness I have extreme variations in IQ and have to live with this. I was once tested (being in a clinic) and I scored somewhere in the "dementia-zone" on it, which is no wonder, because I 'm virtually unable to think when I suffer from my symptoms.
(Having them, I can't leave my home, because this would be dangerous to me).
So my advice to healthy individuals would be: be happy with what you've got and USE it instead of thinking about how high it is or if you have more or less of it than your neighbour, sister, friend. Ludicrously vain.
Interesting, but I wish that he had discussed the impact of cultural bias, both on the number itself and on receiving a number that significantly underestimates the person's ability. Cultural bias and bias against those with disabilities (which are not always identified) can result in a number that is significantly distant from the "correct" number.
There is a perspective you present that truly surprises me. I just assumed a higher IQ might suggest the test, in its formulation, must reflect higher levels of sophistication to capture the test subject's eclectic intelligence, if you will. If a person scores higher this must be commensurate with an identifiable "paradigm" built into the test to challenge or mete out higher functioning.
Then again, Dr. Grande, you just put to rest my biggest concern about IQ tests: Comprehensive testing of every type of intelligence or every facet of intelligence should be more useful than some arbitrary number that invites arbitrary interpretation. Instead, imagine not only a test but an accompanying method for improving one's intellect--if that is an achievable goal.
I have noticed that more intelligent people seem to have more mental issues than the avg to lower IQ people do.
Any thoughts on this.
I had difficult all thru school was made to take an IQ test in HS while having a fever with a throat infection. Scored 132.
In recent years after professional counselling I found that I suffered with SAD/AVPD and ADD for all my life. Well at least as far back as I can remember. I was diagnosed by parents and school to be lazy...
And yes I do have a touch of laziness :)
however I did very well in my working career until I retired a couple of years ago.
of course I worked jobs with little or no contact with the public. Electronics, computers and Telephony systems.
Robert Cromwell I thing there is some new research on bipolar disorder and high IQ. I guess you're right actually. People with artistic skills for instance., you often hear they have either bipolar disorders or depression. But it might just be coincidences.
I read somewhere that are overall higher intelligence evolved along with schizophrenia. Like the condition is somehow very correlated with the evolution of intelligence. I don't remember the title of the article so forgive me.
Thanks Dr Grande!
Your scientifically informative channel! Is always food for thought, in the hungry mind. 😀
Hey Dr. Grande! Thank you for the balanced approach. Maybe you could link some studies which support the 0.04 correlation between job performance and IQ? From a first glance at the literature it seems, the correlation is rather between 0.12 and 0.5 or higher.
The number would depend on how one defines job categories, wouldn't it ? If the categories are narrow enough, IQ will account for little variation simply because most people within each category have similar IQs. I.e. there is a researcher degree of freedom in how much of the IQ effect is eaten by the categorization, which means each of those numbers is probably true for some categorization.
I love the way you speak slowly enough for me to understand the complex topic.
Everything in the video is spot on. However, it would be cool if you could address the validity of High Range I.Q. tests.
How high range tests work: Imagine you're a pitcher competing against other pitchers in an attempt to see who can hit the most targets with a baseball. Each item on a high range test is like a target to hit. They start off up close and easy to hit and eventually get further and further away. As an pitcher, not only do you have to be accurate, but you also have to have the strength to throw the ball far enough to even attempt to hit the target. Eventually, you will hit your pitching 'ceiling,' which is the maximum distance you can throw. At this point, you will also lose accuracy because accuracy diminishes when your entire pitch is dedicated to strength. This then creates a personal limit: a 'pitching quotient.' Based on the number of targets you were able to hit (without any second attempts), your performance is then compared to the performance of others. Looking at the data, the person with the best balance between accuracy and strength will score the highest. That person is considered the best pitcher, which is analogous to being the smartest high range test candidate for that particular test. (I don't know all the statistical conversion that goes into norming these things, but norms are created based on candidate data, and an I.Q. score is administered.)
This is a very unemotional look at I.Q. Well delivered and without doubt explains the true value of I.Q. testing due to the limitations of the instruments used. I was surprised to hear that I.Q. testing gives only a 4% variance in job performance however I suppose there are so many other factors that feed into this including emotional intelligence and personality. I agree unless you have some reason to have it tested why bother, to me it seems of little value.
The biggest predictor in success is just luck.
On a broader level of analysis however, 100% of success is luck since you neither have a choice in how intelligent you are or what your personality is. That's not to say that the lower level analysis is without merit.
The only value of IQ tests is to boast to others.. Sorry , but it is just a number when you look at it historically. IQ is a generational thing (sorry)
Example: Take a history student 40 years ago.. now take a current day student (so much more things to learn about)
That's IQ..
It's easy to look things up on the internet. A true IQ test would be to try to categorize peoples abilities and not lump summing into a mass group.. aka excellent at spatial awareness/theoretical problem solving/ lateral thinking etc.
@@Zombie_Burger I guess you didn't watch the video. Believe what you want to believe then. (sorry)
IQ is great for telling which jobs you are intellectually fit for, but not great at predicting how well you will actually do the job.
HIGH IQ
LOW NEGATIVE EMOTION
PERSONALITY THAT WORKS HARD
It takes all those things to be the best. Just a high IQ is not enough.
if you brag about your high iq that you tested online, the reality is that your score is way below average
Very low iq comment
How I wish all my professors had as clearly defined terms and concepts!! I dropped out of statistics very unhappily because I was utterly lost after just the first day of class! Thank you so much Dr. Grande for letting me at least think it wasn't totally my lack of intelligence! I understood every word you said.🔔
This is Judy not Bruce!
When I was the age of 7 my entire family of 10 took a standardized IQ test and I scored 121. In adulthood I have retaken tests a few times and the range is consistently between 128-134 so it seems to be pretty consistent and accurate. I have a Master's degree in science so Dr. Grande's comments about having an IQ of 115 to successfully gain a bachelors degree on average is also likely a good indicator.
Thank you for sharing your story it is very interesting!
The sarcasm of that reply 😂
I went to Marquette University and had a fellow student tell me his IQ was 100 and he got very good grades. So I have to strongly disagree with these categorizations. It's so unfair to label people. Everyone is unique.
I mean with so many variables affecting something, 4% for just one of them is huge. It's probably one of the biggest, maybe place of birth and big5 consc are bigger
Dr Grande: terrific. This is a subject that has interested me and have had a question about it for some time- now I know. Thank you.