Jordan Peterson Critique | Philosophical Genius?
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- Опубліковано 19 кві 2024
- This video answers the question: Can I offer a critique of the work of Jordan Peterson? Dr. Jordan B. Peterson has a Ph.D. is clinical psychology and is quite popular due to his views on politics, theology, philosophy, personality theory, and mental health. I offer my opinions in terms of the positives and negatives of his work and examine some of the more common criticisms of Jordan Peterson.
He's a professor, a clinical psychologist. I don't consider him a philosopher and I don't consider him perfection. I take his information and enjoy most of his rhetoric. He'd not want you to entirely embrace him only but to consider his ideas and challenge them. Good professors teach you to think, not to agree. Just my take.
His ability to convey concepts and arguments in an understandable manner makes him so incredible to listen to.
Yeah I agree with that it was a great analysis that made me think!
Well put !
@@An-fi8is You haven't had many professors if you're still that impressed by them.
@@johnwinthrop2702 It made you evaluate his "thinking" as if your own. That is the danger of not thinking for yourself.
Jordan Peterson spoke in Vancouver several years ago. My daughter spoke to him after the lecture and found him to be very interested in hearing how she had found his advice very helpful during a health crisis she had. She said that he was very humble and kind. His genuine interest in her meant a lot to my daughter.
Of course he was interested in hearing how he helped her, of course he was humble and kind… she didn’t challenge his views..
@@judethaddeus9856 Or he could simply be pleased that someone found his work helpful. Some people actually have an interest in helping others instead of merely being seen to help others, and spouting trendy slogans on social media.
If you think the people he tries to help aren't deserving of it, that really says more about you than he.
@@judethaddeus9856 you haven’t reviewed his less hostile discussions. Or your incapable of forming an independent opinion of him without political polarization influences.
@@TheDiverJim what your comment just embodied is the Best we can ever hope for as a direct result of capitalism!
@@michaelvance1118 what does capitalism have to do with my comment? Thanks for the compliment, just confused by it.
Im a physician. I thought it was just me too. My opinion of him is he’s hard to follow and sometimes he doesn’t make any sense. I also thought that he overthinks things. Being able to keep complex things simple is a sign of a true understanding of an issue. I like him though and will be willing to listen to him for a few minutes. But once he starts overthinking I have found myself tuning out.
Great comment !
I am a board certified psychologist and I can certify that he knows a lot about Jung,Freud..etc..he has read many a book.he makes mistakes as everyone does and, sometimes he overthinks basic concepts but he is a well read individual with a high IQ..most of the times he knows what he is talking about..
@@VicBlank-qy9ccI suppose he’s probably smarter than me. I’m just a work horse.
I just wanted to say that I appreciate your approach. You have a way of not tearing down. Your very thoughtful with your words, I sense no vindictiveness. You don’t take pleasure in that.
Your a calming person and that usually translates to trust.
Thank you for your videos and breaking down many things I think about. You do so with such dignity for all. ❤️
Ditto!
I agree, well said
Social satirists Irma Bombeck and Art Buckwald identified the source of humor as anger.
Early in his career Mark Twain identified the source of humor as anger. Near the end of his career he identified the source as pain. (I've been told by psychiatrists that behind anger is fear. I ask, "Fear of what?" I answer, "Fear of pain.")
I second that!
You should see his latest video on Meghan Markle. He definitely is a hypocrite now
Haven’t watched the video yet but after high school I fell into a depression that left me bed ridden for almost 3 months, I didn’t get out of bed unless I needed to use the bathroom.
It got to the point where it became uncomfortable to walk. My mom would have to bring me food which I usually didn’t touch. I finally came across Dr.Peterson’s videos and he did more for me than any therapist, family member, or psychologist ever did. He’s the one who inspired me to get my life together and stop rotting away.
Have you heard akira the don's lofi mixes using his clips? Great stuff. I'm glad to hear the wise words helped you along. He gives great life advice.
Dr. Peterson has helped me so much since the births of my daughters. To parent them in a practical and logical way. I know it’s not his focus but his advice on parenting and responsibility has been priceless. My youngest daughter is autistic and having his words to listen to have been so helpful.
Many parents get into the mindset of the world having to change to allow for asd kids, but then many have grown up so entitled. My daughter is 6 and I’m certain without listening to him we would still be co sleeping and she would only eat chicken nuggets and fries!
Well done to you. I’m using his videos to help me understand my issues and motivate me to make changes.
Lynda Burn if anyone can I really believe it’s him.
Watch Academy of Ideas.
Here's something...I recently went through something horrific. Around the same time, I found Jordan Peterson clips on UA-cam...his 12 rules...snippets of his advice... I distinctly remember being out one day, and I remembered his rule to stand up straight, and I did it...I know it's "obvious," yet I had never stopped to consider doing it. And it dramatically affected my mood that day. It's something I have since adopted whenever I think of it (and I still don't always think of it). My point: Sometimes it really does help for someone to state the obvious; many of us are lost in our stuff and need simple direction. I love him!
Excellent observation and great comment! It’s funny as I went through boot camp way back in 1996 and that’s one of those things getting drilled into you with the recruit division commanders screaming this at you for around nine weeks, they’d say “stand up tall, shoulders back, head up straight, stand proud.” or something very similar (they’d all say the same thing albeit with slight variations). You’re very right about it working as I really did mature a lot that year. I saw first hand how it helped many others that did not have the same level of confidence that I had.
@@jayrose6312 Thank you for sharing that! Great point, that the military pounds this into people... The little things can be the big things.
@@Jimvesterstallone You are very welcome! Another thing I remembered after you replied was the level of mind games they would play with your head if only to see if you’ll break under pressure and don’t belong in the military. They do this because it’s a lot cheaper to send someone back home during recruit training than to spend countless dollars on them and their training just to have that person ‘break down’ later on, especially if that person’s ‘break down’ is in a combat zone! I’d estimate that we lost up to 20% of our division that first week! As the first week just prepares you for the training ahead (getting gear assigned, signing forms, drug test, medical & dental checkups, etc.) they repeatedly ask “who doesn’t want to be here? It’s much easier if you tell us now before you get assigned to a division [and start training!]” They want you to tell them as it only cost Uncle Sam a few bucks mostly on logistics at this point, e.g. hotels, airfare, and the like. They also ask you this on very little sleep and try to keep you awake!
Now, I dunno your background on this, but kids that suffer extreme child abuse will mostly come out psychologically ‘broken’ themselves, but some (a MUCH smaller number) will thrive and come out stronger. Sadly, I came from a very abusive home and when I tell people what I actually haven’t repressed you could see the looks of disgust on their faces! I’m an open book regarding this, however the details are not relevant right now. What is relevant is the fact that I fortunately came out ‘emotionally scarred,’ but with a will that’s far stronger than many will ever have. I was not going to allow the pattern to repeat! I was also going to be the polar opposite of the ‘white trash’ who ‘raised’ me, and I guess a few accomplishments of mine did prove this if only to myself!
Here’s my point (more of a theory, actually), confidence in general, without the cockiness, and regardless how one arrived to have a generally high level of confidence, will foster (a) Being immune to others who attempt to be emotionally hurtful to you, directly proportionate to the level of confidence. One who’s truly confident doesn’t ‘compete’ with others, but rather themselves exclusively. They also could care less regarding the negative, hurtful statements made my others. (b) One’s will, e.g. not giving up, is also directly proportionate to their level of confidence. And, finally (c) It doesn’t matter where or how this level of confidence was obtained or cultivated, only the fact that it’s actually “true” confidence (rather than narcissism, grandiosity, cockiness, etc.) Sometimes, which you’ll soon clearly see, extremely negative events could segue into positive events on the same ‘level.’
One final story to tie this altogether, and I know this is long, so I’ll try to be quick:
While in boot camp, I don’t exactly remember what I did, but it was a relatively minor infraction, and there are a lot of those, so it’s not unusual. Many times, the recruit division commanders will have you “make it rain” as a form of punishment. Making it rain is having you do very quick exercises in full uniform for an extended length of time while commands and sometimes insults are yelled at you. So, I started to hit the deck and do push-ups, sit-ups, etc. - back up on me feet and do jumping jacks, running in place, etc. - rinse and repeat - as each command was called out. As I was in the best shape of my life, I was actually enjoying the workout, and he saw the ‘smile’ I had on, so he called over another recruit division commander to “join in the fun.” By the time ‘THEY were done,’ there were three of them yelling at me. Over an hour past and I was still going strong. Finally, I heard the words “stop, on your feet!” The recruit division commander finally asked “so, Rose, what the hell is it going to take to break you?!” With a smile, I simply said “You can’t. I’m sorry, but that’s just not possible.” He was so frustrated as he didn’t know what to even say to that, so I shrugged, and obviously defeated, he said “go back to everyone in the division, we’re through here.” I know one thing for damn sure, I earned his respect and the respect of a few of his peers that evening as the recruit division commanders were talking about me and this event. I don’t think I even spoke about it much thereafter, I really didn’t care one way or another about the event. The thing is, and this question could be perceived as if only bordering philosophical:
If I didn’t face over a decade of various of types of quite literally heinous abuse, and had the mental strength to somehow not only survive, but walk away rather positively thereafter (which was a miracle according to numerous psychologists, therapists, etc., that I’ve seen), would the events of that evening have transpired any different?!
I would go with a definite “abso-effing-lutely!!!” (read: Yes!)
Feel free to ‘chime in’ with any thoughts, and again, thanks for reading this as I know it was a lot to digest!
@Calm in the Storm - I think many people view him that way, while I think he's really the culmination of adult voices most just didn't listen to while growing up and now find that advice so profound when put into the mouth of one man.
@@Malt454 I grew up, from about 6, reading, and reading, and reading. Born in 1948 -- do the math -- at my age I'm not much impressed by any so-called 'intellectuals" -- which isn't by itself the whole person.
Better to read Socrates: he teaches how to THINK CRITICALLY.
This is probably the best commentary I've seen yet on Mr. Peterson. I enjoy the fact that you are specifically coming from an outside point of view and you don't tear him down in any sort of way.
You are specifically scientific about your observations and your criticisms of him are very insightful.
Thank you Dr. Grande for making this content! I enjoy it very much. I also enjoy your breakdowns of other mental illnesses and trying to get people to understand about each specific mental illness/personality disorders.
I am always learning something new from you videos and I love the fact that I'm obtaining so much knowledge from your videos.
So, again, thank you so much for all of your videos!
I stumbled across JP several years ago when I was going through a lot changes and difficulties and a lot of what he had to say then helped me tremendously. I don’t think I would’ve advanced and grown as much as I have on all fronts if I hadn’t seen those videos years ago. Glad to see one of my favorite people critiquing another one of my favorite people. Thank you! 🙂
Jordan Peterson makes everything so simplified when not everything is so simplistic.He talks in circles, & if that does it for ya,God bless you.
I see people say this a lot, and I believe them, but it's kind of irrelevant to whether or not Peterson is actually insightful in any way. Many people find Islam in prison and it genuinely makes them much better people, it's still a fictional immoral religion though. Much like Petersons advice might actually do something for you, but it's still kind of a pile of bullshit.
@@johnroop9625 What so hard about cleaning your room? People like you like to criticize for the sake of judging someone. Peterson has helped millions of people, how many people have you helped?
@@PC4ever possible rebuttals to your comment:
1. How many lives has Peterson damaged, destroyed, insult, steamrolled and just afflicted with psychological stress severe enough to cause sequela?
2. You said helped, what do you consider helped to entail? As a psychologist he knows about “reckless help”. Has he helped you? Why respond to a comment expressing their freedom of opinion and they weren’t even mean; but did you help with the personal offense you feel on his behalf?
3. Obviously suffering brain insults during his russian medically induced coma is nothing related to intelligence but what about his whining?
Yep, same here.
Interviewer : Are you OK Dr.Peterson?
Jordan Peterson : Define OK.
Schizophrenic REACTS 😂 True....but, he has a point.
That's what makes him so interesting. He's ahead of the curve.
@@ML-qs3tf Spot on.
@@TheEternalOuroboros
He misrepresented his free speech start. He is just another reactionary when he goes out of the psychology field.
@@chokinonashes61 Outside of his professional field, he seems like a typical waterboy for the neoliberal globalist empire to me...not exactly what one thinks of as a "reactionary." He's generally going very much "with the Establishment flow" in most every area but free speech and his recognition of some of the (generally ignored, ridiculed, or minimized) existential problems bedeviling young men today.
I love how you focus on patterns rather then individual instances where he made mistakes. This is my fav approach when trying to judge other's more accurately.
Pattern recognition is the crux of human cognition.
@@davidbudo5551 ...and the foundation of several cognitive fallacies.
Great comment and analysis of the speaker! So true, look for patterns of behaviour.
@@davidbudo5551 i agree. Pattern recognition is why Artificial intelligence and machine learning are so dangerous to our society (when in the wrong hands).
When I look at Petersons patterns he seems slightly arrogant (as most smart individuals tend to be) and also not high in openness.
Dr. Grande, would you be willing to do an updated take on Jordan?
I do believe that ends of relationships can be traumatic, depending on the relationships and how they end. I also think his philosophical theories are well-grounded in what he's read and that he's given Jung's work contemporary relevance. Maybe because I happen to be a lawyer, I do appreciate his logical reason. As a feminist, I was initially turned off to him because of things I'd gleaned from feminist media. I was wrong. When I actually began listening to his lectures and books, I found him to be informed, insightful and curiously open to new thinking, despite his adherence to the values of orderliness. Moreover, I find myself completely unoffended by his acknowledgment of the biological difference between men and women, and the inherent differences of physical, experiential and motivational aspects of gender that they entail. I think he's a genius, most of all, in his attempts to wed the benefits of order with the possible progress that can emerge from chaos.
Well said.
I couldn't have put it in better words. Completely agree with you.
Great take.
@ Sandra Young Hall Who are you talking about?
Very well said. I also appreciate your ability to admit when you are wrong. A rare trait in today's world. If you don't mind a question, do you still consider yourself to be a feminist after listening to Jordan Peterson or has that changed somewhat? Even if ever so slightly?
I believe it would be interesting if Dr. Grande critiqued himself.
Jim Grasso “a lawyer who has himself for a lawyer has a fool for a client.” I suppose it would apply in a critique of oneself...too close to the problem.
Jim Grasso I’m sure the good doctor uses meta cognition all the time. I’m sure he is his own critic frequently. I’d hazard to guess that he knows himself better than the vast majority of us know ourselves. Still, a self critique my him would be interesting.
Do himself!
That's something I believe we all could do. It helps to understand why we might have the world view we have. A careful analysis could reveal blind spots.
Specially after defending Bill Gates in the Covid 19 video
“I think people get a little too hung up on the way other people look when they talk” that quote warranted my like 👍🏻
Especially when they are looking at credentials and published papers.
One of the funniest retorts I receive constantly is, “What is your degree in?”
As if that matters to the topic at hand. If I said something wrong, correct me. If I said something that SOUNDS wrong, then study the topic more yourself.
Asking for credentials is pure Ad Hominem coming from people who think insults are “ad hominem.” 😂
@@lawtruth3872 It is his real hair. It is just receding.
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I think if people lose a relationship it can definitely bring on ptsd. He may not have elaborated but the partner may have been abusive or the break up could trigger pre existing issues. There can also be psycho social dynamics around the break up due to a smear campaign and social abuses they can be very crazy making. The partner may have been an addict which can cause a nervous breakdown. The person may take a deeper look at self and family and friends and coke to awareness that is shattering. So perhaps a break up could be one aspect of a more global issue that shatters or devastates. Having a partner die can be the most stressful event in a persons life and a ptsd diagnosis is often quite accurate in that situation. Being rejected or abandoned can be quite a trigger with a ptsd issue that already exists on some level. No one said the symptoms weren’t there. He simply did not elaborate.
Very few people impress me, I mean REALLY impress me. I like observing people and how they interact with others, how they formulate logical arguments, how they respond to criticisms (including those which are more of the personal attack variety), etc. Jordan Peterson is a rare human being. He is fascinating to watch. His level of insight, intelligence, and humility is off the charts. My observations of him leads me to conclude that he is a man who is incredibly driven to help people and to help make this world a better place to be. I think that purpose is what animates his being. There are many wonderful people who also want to help their fellow man, but he offers a means which can help everyone in the here and now, and a means not focused exclusively on physical or economic well-being, but on the whole person. I see a humble truth-seeker. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone who engages critics with so much respect - not replying with in-kind disrespect when that is thrown his way, but rather with well-thought out responses that are on-point. I think most people de-humanize their opponents during debates to some degree (as I see mockery as a way of doing this), but I just don’t see Jordan engaging that way. He is a man of incredible restraint. He doesn’t stick his chest out and say “look at me!” I believe he really cares for people, and when he encounters those who hate him, his wish is not for their destruction, but rather understanding.
Okay, that is not a detailed analysis of anything he has said, but rather an IMPRESSION he has made on me when I’ve watched him. I’m not a super-fan who has watched 100s of hours of him, but just a busy guy who works and has many other interests in life… but who has watched perhaps 20-30 hours of videos of him over the years. Perhaps I see certain qualities in him, because they are things I’ve strived for. I’ve sought to be someone who seeks the truth and who respects all others wishing the best for them… so when I see Peterson, it really strikes me that here is a humble man who embodies that, someone others can look up to and emulate.
Yep, maybe you might be right about most of this, especially if you are male. However, his views on women are skewed. He basically thinks all women should marry and have kids...that if they don’t, they have no purpose on earth and will be miserable in their golden years. A single female artist, musician, investment banker, teacher, surgeon, etc., who remains childless ( and unmarried ) by choice, does not compute for him. So, he’s a “No” in my book.
@@kellyyork3898 Okay. But I will say,, independent of anything he has said (and I’ve never heard him on that topic, or can’t recall anyway), I think loving others is the main purpose for everyone, and if we aren’t living a loving/giving life in some manner, then there will always be some hole in us. This aligns beautifully with the existential human purpose of procreation. I’m a male in my 50s, not married and have no kids, and I do feel the hole in my life. I realize this need to serve and help others, so I part-time volunteer teach, largely because I don’t have a wife and children of my own to serve (though I do have a very large extended family). Of course all marriages and families are not perfect, but when I contemplate that ability to bring life into the world it truly gives me a sense of awe. And the role of a mother is amazing. And the role of parents of course is far far more than just to physically bring life, but it’s to love that person and have the responsibility to help that person develop into a loving soul who will bring love into the world themselves. I don’t denigrate anything you say about valuing work and the contributions we can make to the world by applying ourselves to these endeavors, these things can indeed be good… but I have such an elevated opinion about the role of parents in raising children - both the mother and father - and I think this is the normative standard, the main way that most people (but not all) will find their ultimate greatest value in life. For me at this time, I have to find my value in being a good and fair leader in my job, a good son to my 91 year old dad, a good brother, a good uncle, a good friend, a good teacher, and a caring and patient person to all I come in contact with (all this is easier said than done of course).
His drive to help people? Bro, I am trans. I don't think Petseron has any intention of helping me lmao
@@joeterp5615 You want to find value in being "good" and I applaud that but please try and find value in simply "being"...by this I mean, explore your responses to the stars, the sun, Nature, people you meet, books your read, the five senses that delight you and the purpose your soul may find in silence. There is so much joy in simply being a part of this great experiment we call life that it cannot and must not be contained in a set of rules...ironically twelve! You know the correlation I'm sure. Love yourself and give love where you may.
Jordan peterson sues his critics and insults them regularly. He has almost no knowledge of philosophy but speaks about it dogmatically and without any real direction. Hes a moron, as are the people who listen to him
A relationship failure due to extreme abuse can result in PTSD. When Peterson says could, he is being precise that there are extreme events that can cause the same result, other than war or surviving an environmental disaster.
Lol
@@ThatGuy-mj6jm This guy
Some marital or relationship endings are a matter of war. Complete with guns and hostages. Surely a source of PTSD.
@@IMWeira True.
@@IMWeira Amen to that - some take no prisoners, even if the other person is open to discussion, and clearly state that their goal is to annihilate the "adversary" until nothing of them is left (in my case in front of our daughter, and not only once -> the mission is not yet accomplished, but serriously under way *small violin*).
PTSD from relationship breakups is real, when it means that you lose your retirement funds to lawyers, and that you face homelessness because you are forced to sell your home to accomodate the wishes of the ex husband (yes, I am a woman - contrary to the hate propaganda that is delivered by many divorced men it is entirely possible for a wife to be ruined by her man).
When the breakup/ divorce shatters your whole life and all prospects for your future, especially if you are not a spring chicken any more, this is highly dangerous. On this topic I can not agree with Dr. Grande, out of my own life experience. I would appreciate if he were right.
"Dr Peterson, what do you think of Jordan Peterson?"
"It depends on what you mean by Jordan, and what you mean by Peterson."
Ha! 😂
Of course, it matters what you mean by Dr too!
Perfect example of his word salad.
That would be true if the word Jordan or Peterson is the word that's been used to identify half of the human population.
@@MariGolds2 Ha, ha... Indeed, I've sometimes seen Dr. Peterson talk a lot without saying anything meaningful. Or use verbose statement to make something trite seem profound. Dr. Grande was unduly modest in saying that he is willing to accept that he may not be smart enough to understand what Dr. Peterson is sometimes saying.
"Dr Peterson, what's your favorite color?"
"Well that depends on what you mean by favorite.
And it also depends on what you mean by color.
This is a very complex question..
One must acknowledge the underlying
verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a
multi-layered metaphysical substrate which many
people fundamentally conflate with their ideologi-
cal presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity,
causing the inadvertent dismissal of Jung's arche-
typal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic
juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's
magnitude of Neo-Marxist existential nihilism..."
Be careful Dr.Grande Dr.Peterson might analyse you too🤣🤣
Hahahahhahaha wth
this is 2 good XD top comment for sure
Too good 😀
Man the hunter favors blue/green those being optimal hunting conditions. Women choose red/pink because those are the targets of a gatherer. That is wired into our DNA. Very few deviations. Lobsters
Well, that depends on what you mean by "what." In fact, we cannot define anything. That is all. Well, that isn't actually that...at all. Wait.... Falls into a black hole.
Peterson speaks common sense, but in a time where common sense and reason are rare or even shunned, he sounds like a wise philosopher. Nothing Peterson has said I've found to be profound or life changing. He hasn't said anything I haven't read or heard before. He's not a bad guy, but I think he gets heaped with more praise than he likely deserves.
well here's the thing, everyone nowadays is being raised on false premises and rigid ideologies. they might feel like common or basic ideas but sometimes thats just what one need to really move foward. a reminder of basic, common sense truths. just like any boxer would say, you can't box on a high level if you didn't master the basics and you can't remain a high level boxer if you do not practice the basics on a daily basis. in that way, i believe that his carrying of these simple truths on the scale that he's doing it right now is deserving of some level of praise!
WAY MORE! I think he appeals to sexism, stereotyping, feeling jealous of people who are smarter, or better educated, or more popular or successful.
@@Mephistozenith Excuse me, but when you make a sweeping generalization like that, you are necessarily wrong. These are the kinds of things that can hinder communication with different generations. I'm very happy to be able to say l have pretty good communication with both my daughter and my grandchildren. I don't tell them what they're supposed to think.
@@AlicedeTocqueville jeez gurl calm down i don't even know you
@@Mephistozenith EEEK! What did I say?
I love listening to JP! I dont need to agree with him on some subjects! He teaches me how to think more clearly and speak more clearly which is a big upgrade for me. I appreciate how he thinks and what he teaches and don’t really care about the things I disagree with. Righteous dude!
This is the best, most balanced critique I've seen on JP so far. Great to see a peer that is not afraid to be both critical and complimentary at the same time. This is rare and much appreciated for those of us trying to make sense of these difficult but important topics.
I’m sure Dr Grande would both dislike and appreciate a similar evaluation of himself, possibly from Dr. Peterson. I strongly believe Dr. Peterson could set aside his own evaluation and use his not insignificant insight and intelligence to make a very fair evaluation.
In both cases they would likely have errors, but at least they would be well reasoned and fair. (As fair and reasoned as we could hope).
@@john-paulsilke893
Love that idea!
Agree!
@@7LegSpiders I’m pretty sure Dr Peterson may have his feelings hurt, (he’s very sensitive) but he’s also a tough guy and has suffered far worse slings and arrows. And furthermore both of these men might learn more about themselves in such an endeavour then they would learn about each other. Unfortunately it may actually go over our heads unless they’d dumb it down, (I’m only peripherally knowledgeable on some of psychology as are most of the viewers/commenters so ideally they would keep it more mundane, which does risk slight inaccuracies for our sakes).
Difficult topics? The only reason the topics are difficult, is that you are trying to accommodate (and possibly obey) the leftist lunacy that is plaguing our culture.
One correction on a statement you made, Peterson’s book 12 Rules for Life is not a book for men. It’s for men, women, and anyone who wants to set their life in order. He’s always sure to make that point known. Thanks
Most of his audience is male but you're right, it's for everyone
I noticed that immediately as well.
Why would I want to live like him
I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong either, but the demographic that is the majority of his followers are young men. So to extrapolate that to say it's for men isn't entirely wrong. As at the very least, something he is doing is catering for men more than other groups and if there was a product that was used predominantly by men, even if it wasn't exclusively marketed towards them, we'd be inclined to perceive it as 'for men'
@@Guppyg53 your IQ is too small to resemble Dr Peterson so even if you did want to live like him you simply couldn't.
Honestly, his words did kickstart me improving my life. I wouldn't ever suggest putting your faith in a single person, though, and his behavior since in the political sphere is concerning and disappointing, especially considering how kind he comes off as.
I disagree that a person can not suffer PTSD after a relationship ending. It depends on the ending. Some people have lived a lie in a relationship and everything they thought their life was in fact was indeed a farce. I work with many women who have experienced this and it destroys them. Some never recover.
He is referring to the DSM criteria though - it is very clear. Maybe JP advocates for a change to the criteria. I am not going to copy and paste the criteria here but by definition, a person can't.
@@bethbeth5122 I have CPTSD. Yes I know there isn't a diagnosis stating specifically the C in the DSM. It just means it is chronic. I feel like PTSD is the latest buzz word that people attach themselves to. Like bipolar was a few years ago. Unfortunately I have that too. I don't know when mental illness became fashionable but if someone really has it, it can be crippling. PTSD attacks cause me to be extremely anxious, hypervigilant even in my home, panic attacks that are so severe I cannot breathe or talk, fight or flight (usually flight). I've got so many alarms my house has been named Fort Knox by my sister. Those are but a few symptoms. I would not wish true PTSD on anyone.
Exactly!!
I have always enjoyed Jordan Peterson even when I disagree. I find the lectures thought provoking. Thanks for the critique.
most people go over the fact that he has (co)authored over a 100 academic papers way too easily.
I love Dr. Peterson's psychological works and his university lectures, that I find very thought-provoking. His political "activism" so to say is very weird to say the least, though.
Oh like when he told millions of people thier transphobia was justified thus adding more stochastic terrorism to innocent lgbt people.. what a cool guy.
@@Onus6688 saying a fear of something is understandable doesn’t excuse the irrationality of that fear. Understanding where your fears are based however can help you work through them. Jesus never condemned anyone but people have been condemning and killing in his name. Some people will find any reason or cause for violence. All people deserve respect and love and the peace to live their life as they see fit as long as they aren’t hurting anyone.
Jordan Peterson is a narcissist
So much *integrity* in this, hands down the best video on Jordan Peterson I've seen.
Thank you so much!
English Teacher you can tell it's unbiased by the title alone
Marcus, yes, this is an excellent video.
Agreed
in a perfect world this is what criticism would look and sound like. Couldn't find a single ad hominem!
You are so on point while being non emotional or biased. Much appreciated.
Once I was dumped by text. It was a serious relationship. No closure. At the time I was really messed up by it. Years later I suffered a tragic loss, and could see, looking back, that essentially I'd felt a similar level of shock and grief when I'd been dumped so cruelly. Not the same level as my painful bereavement, but the same type of awful feelings and how it floored me.
I am sorry for your loss.
@@constancemccoy6931 thank you, kind words. 😊
@@LenticloudularHealthy people don't break up in this manner. Your ex might have suffered from narcissistic personality disorder. Your breakup sounds like a classic Narcissist discard. I'm very sorry for your loss. ❤
@@Eagles.Fan.Since.Super.Bowl.52 I agree with you. Narcissistic personality disorder = asshole, eh? With retrospect I saw that. Thank to for your kind words. The person I mourn was an angel. ❤️😇
“He seems like he’s high.......... in openness to experience.” 😆
Freudian SLIPPERS ;)
Bahahaha
What does that mean?
Daddy Peterson is high on benzos. He is a stupid man's idea of an intelligent man.
@@mabaker ....and presumably you are the opposite?
Basically what I got from this video is that he is really good at what he does but isn't perfect
... in contrast to how some may be positioning him (even he himself, at certain times and topics). Yes.
Who's perfect anyway?
@@constantchange you are 😘
@@syn8666 nope 🙂 it's nice to be considered as perfect, but it's a burden as well. Let's try to be close to perfect, but never perfect and let's love others for being this way 🙌🏻
Who is?
I find myself, simply, unprepared for Peterson's lectures especially with not knowing world history nearly as well as he does. With being a doctoral level psychotherapist and social scientist I can keep up with his mental health input but his social perspective and understanding on how history repeats itself is beyond phenomenal... I believe having a knowledge of history is pivotal in understanding his presentations
As someone with a PhD in history, I don't find his command of the subject very strong - although I haven't seen a great deal of his content. Similar to Todd's assessment of his use of Jung, to me Peterson seems to use history more as a rhetorical tool, rather than being too concerned with historical evidence. But, his books sell better than mine, so what do I know :'D
@@cuttingbored4195 you don't have you tube videos so your books aren't out for the general public to see
@@cuttingbored4195 is it possible to know a lot about history, yet lack the ability to apply lessons from the past to today's cultural decline?
Is it possible that Dr Peterson knows enough history facts to be able to draw useful conclusions to be applied to today's pressing issues.
This is the best commentary on Peterson, I've heard yet. Thank you Dr. Grande. I just listened to a 9 minute lecture by JP and understood only some of it. Best, 💚🌵🇺🇲 Edited to add - I like JP. I've found his ideas helpful and inspiring.
I hear that a lot. He inspires young men to be their very best.
Dr Peterson totally changed my life. 2 years ago I was extremely depressed and suicidal. My life and health were falling apart and I was letting it happen. I was in an abusive relationship and not able to care about myself enough to stop it.
Then I found Dr. Peterson’s YT channel. I watched every single lecture. His challenge to “rescue my dead father from the abyss” struck a deep emotional chord. I took the challenge and have not looked back.
Now I’m getting healthy. No contact with my abusive ex and mother for a year now and life keeps getting better!
I can’t thank Dr. Peterson enough for his boldness and for his message. I would not be on this channel today if not for his words breaking through the fog first.
There are hundreds of thousands if not millions who feel the same way you do about Jordan Peterson. I'm one of them, too.
@@briangerrits1454 Me too.
I think Dr. Grande might be my favourite UA-camr. This channel is such a rare gem of objectivity 😌
It's literally 100% subjective.
@@unitedfools3493 And Jordan Peterson isn't? How much of "psychology" is "science," and how much "social science"?
@@jnagarya519 It is 100% social science. The question is "how scientific is social science?". Dr. Peterson quotes extensive studies that show that men and women differ in preferences and that these differences produce unequal outcomes in the percent of men and women in nursing vs. engineering. This seems to me to be science, though not as rigorous as testing theories of physics. He has also stated that IQ and success in life are highly correlated. He quotes the correlation coefficients. This sounds like science, but again, not as rigorous as physics or chemistry. But certainly not 100% subjective or anything close to it.
I've heard many criticisms of Peterson, this is the first actual critique I've heard which seems to me to be well thought out and reasonable. My evaluation of someone like this always has me questioning intention, which of course is difficult to determine.
That said, I think Peterson has good intentions. He wants to help people. He gets very passionate whenever he feels someone is saying something that can be harmful and he fights back very intensely. This is one reason I think this about him. Thanks for your thoughts on him, very helpful.
I haven't followed Jordan Peterson's work but one strong impression I had is in line with the point you make around 12 minutes in: he does not make a clear distinction to his audience what is based on research and what is based on his own ideas. That may not seem dangerous, but to me it is since many of his followers are unable to make that distinction themselves and assumes from Peterson's academic credentials that it is all somehow evidence based. These lines are already very blurred on internet at large: youtube alone has an overwhelming number of individuals making fantastical claims as if they are fact-based, but at least viewers can tell that these individuals are unrelated to science. I am currently doing my postgraduate journey and it is core in our learning to be clear where our statements come from and whether they are theoretical or factual (give & take potential bias in study designs & need for replication). We are constantly trained not to make excessive claims and back down if we've erred in that regard because it is our responsibility to convey results correctly. So, for me, to watch someone within our field repeatedly blur these lines it comes across as either lazy or lacking in self-reflection/self-discipline. I have no problem with Peterson expressing personal beliefs. Rather, it is how he does it that is the problem: he adds to societal confusion.
“He seems like he’s high... in openness to opinions”. Lmao excellent pause.
@@andrewtaylor2430 this video seems to have been posted prior to Peterson’s drug abuse being common knowledge. But, if the creator didn’t make that pause deliberately, it was still a very apt pause.
Hahahahahaha
@@marialagattuta5438 he needs to clean the opiates out of his room
The pause wasnt long enough to justify this comment.
@@lukepatto4366 well, I didn’t time it... but it was certainly long enough to catch my notice.
I haven't seen every Jordan Peterson lecture or interview. I haven't read every book or paper he has written either. The things I have seen and read really impress me. I think he is extremely insightful. I think he has a very practical way of looking at people and the world at large. He has earned my respect.
I agree, i admire Peterson better than Grande
@@wolflarsen1900 Can you give any examples to support what you're saying? Specifically, please give some examples of what is "astonishing far away from any academic standard", and give some examples of what is "senseless and inconsistent" or is "rubbish, outdated or just nonsense". Do you know how the various "five factor" models have been derived? Peterson's lab produced the two senior authors (Colin DeYoung and Linda Quilty) of the best-ever version of the five factor model (called the "Big Five Aspects Scale" in their version) and it's based on factor analysis of many thousands of personality adjectives. Peterson was the third author of the foundational paper for that highly-refined, best-ever formulation of the five factors. The various five factor models look to be so solidly grounded that they reconcile with genetics research and now with the developing field of personality neuroscience. In other words, Peterson and his former students have gone a very, very, very long way with an area of linguistics that's been hugely validated (now in something like 30 languages, maybe more) and they've produced the best-ever formulation of it. Not all linguists have a clue about the five factor model and its derivation -- so perhaps you don't understand that aspect of Peterson's work. Whatever the case, please substantiate your statements about his comments about "language, meaning, etc." to be "rubbish, outdated or just nonsense". A friend of mine did his Ph.D. under Chomsky and he said that Chomsky was badly over-confident in many of his linguistic pronouncements, and one can see a kind of extreme or even delusional, detached, self-satisfied over-confidence in his political pontifications as well. I wouldn't like to think that linguists as a group suffer from that kind of delusional, smug, over-confidence and tendency to make sweeping pontifications that are just self-satisfied hot air. So please, Mr. German Philosopher of Language, instead of your non-specific, grand slurs, and sweeping dismissals, show us enough evidence to prove that you're not just pontificating and full of hot air like all the others who try to score points for themselves by knocking Peterson.
@Wolf Larsen damn you wrote a lot but didn’t give any evidence to support your original point. Please let us know which Peterson comments in the linguistic field you were referring to
@@wolflarsen1900 Who's afraid of the big bad wolf? Especially a philosopher who confesses to having the attention span and intellectual integrity of a goldfish. Huff and puff as might, but you didn't substantiate your sweeping slurs with anything worth any respect. You are so inept in linguistics that you don't realize that you're disclosing your amateur status by constantly harping on status themes, and ONLY on status themes. Stay away from the callings that require competence in thinking -- you'd have no future in any of them.
@@wolflarsen1900 You made a point of mentioning the brevity of your attention span and the fact that you said you only read the beginning and the end of my post, and not the middle, indicates a lack of intellectual integrity in our exchange just as the fact that you haven't substantiated any of your sweeping statements and slurs about Peterson suggests a lack of intellectual integrity. It's easy to see your immaturity as you dance around avoiding substantiating your claims, even though I am not the only person who's asked for substantiation and who's pointed out to you that your replies are just empty blither. So yes, you have no intellectual integrity.
When Peterson lectures and draws on biblical texts, and examines and explains them through his modern lens of psychology I sometimes get the feeling he is looking at a Rorschach ink blot, and that his “interpretation” says as much about him as it says about the meaning of the text.
Thanks for your meaningful comment.
I would dare to say that most texts, especially those with a strong philosophical context, are literally material for interpretation - based on the fact that we all have different backgrounds and have gone through different things that have shaped us and the way how we see the world.
Jordan Peterson is undoubtedly an interesting person, and his approach is quite unique in the western part of the western world. What I mean by that is approximately this.
If you read the comments here (even from educated professionals), many of them praised JP for his help, wisdom, knowledge, insight, etc.
I would agree with that (although I disagree with JP on some points), but I have one, I think, significant objection.
To most Americans, maybe even Canadians (IDK, I can't judge that since I don't have enough data or experience to do so, thus, I'm speaking more from an "American perspective"), JP is super educated.
That's an American view reflecting the overall quality of the American education system. I'm pretty sure that, e.g., the European audience sees JP similarly, however not exactly in the same way.
European education is very different from American, and although I am sure JP is seen as a well-versed, thoughtful, and well-educated gentleman in Europe too, the gap between him and his audience in America and Europe is discrepant.
Most European high schools teach history and civics as an organic part of the school curriculum. (This also applies to middle grades = children aged 11-15.) Europeans are used to critical thinking and a much wider range of subjects that schools generally teach.
E.g., Civics is divided into several years (depending on the type of school/graduate profile), and the curriculum usually includes philosophy, psychology, sociology, economics, political science, and law.
Briefly - the European audience would probably agree with these scholars, who point out that JP's view and advice are not so unique, but rather a matter of the common sense that has somehow been lost in America, and a person who educates himself, reads, analyzes and talks about that can easily give the impression he is almost from another planet.
Yes, Americans can read, and Carl Jung, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Leo Tolstoy, and others are translated into English. But how many Americans read them...?
The general reluctance of Americans to read and learn even their own history is infamous and outrageous.
Then, someone like JP comes along and looks like a supernova. I am not trying to belittle him, but if Americans read (more), they wouldn't be so overwhelmed by his knowledge.
JP is or was (...?; he currently has some health issues...) considered a supernova in America. In Europe, he would face many such supernovas, and the European audience wouldn't look at them as some alien supermen...
America should seriously rethink its values, the separation of church and state, and invest tons of money into the education of our children, so they can be more educated than generations of their parents and grandparents.
@@xpsxps1339 You make some very interesting and important points!
I often wonder why so many commenters argue from angles that omit aspects I at least deem obvious, and this impression stems from the education I experienced in Germany during the last quarter of the 20th century (what my grade 8 daughter's is being taught now in Switzerland is different, but not in a good way).
Sadly the educational standards in Europe are also declining and decidedly "woked up", which does nothing to enhance the content.
Furthermore the funds for schools and universities are successsively diminished - in many schools the parents are even friendly coerced to help renovate the buildings, or e.g. toilets are simply closed if they do not function properly or have been vandalised (even here in CH this is an increasing problem - in my daughter's school [in a village with ca. 4.500 inhabitants!] a toilet was DETONATED and is now closed since ca. three months, instead of being repaired).
Due to increasing residential poverty (job losses and diminished incoming taxes due to the pandemic exaggerating the effect) and immigrant influx the communities are financially depleted, and this reflects on the funding for education, as this seems to be the "easiest accessible" department for financial cuts.
The US are trendsetters for Europe, we will be following your path rather sooner than later. This is shameful, as ALL (young) people deserve and should get the best possible education, regardless of where they live.
Uninformed people make uninformed decisions. But maybe this is the plan. A good read on topic: "Bullsh*t Jobs" by David Graeber.
If you have not seen the movie "Idiocracy", i strongly recommend it. This intended satire has evolved into a documentary IMO. Good day.
"Either I'm not smart enough to understand what he is saying, or some of them just don't make sense"... I am glad you said that! I too had the exact same thought. Given, his popularity, I assumed my inability to comprehend some of his thinking was likely be a flaw in my intellect too ... I think this actually made me more curious and willing to listen to what he had to say in hindsight. The goal was to understand this "great mind" ... then after a while I started to think he is sometimes more concernced with gaining attention and causing controversy rather than speaking the truth.
What's an example of something you have a hard time following? I have never felt this way listening to JP, but it certainly helps if you are a bit knowledgeable in the areas he's covering
@@tyson6857 I don't have a particular example off the top of my head as I haven't listened to him for a while. I do have a degree in Psychology and have continued to read and consume psychology content after graduating (basically over 20 years of interest/ study in a wide range of areas)... this isn't an "appeal to authority" this is just me saying I do have more knowledge in the area than most.
@@rc198028 JP draws parallels across a multitude of fields, so if one has gaps in their knowledge, for example in mythology, while JP very quickly connects and arranges different dots, it probably is understandable that one could get lost.
🐷 no he is merely a canary in a coalmine and brave for spreading truth
I see him as capable, yet fallible, artistic individual with above average intelligence, and an expert on some topics. BUT also not someone that has critically thought about some topics to the extent that he has with other topics, and rightfully so. So we should listen to him and consider his ideas on his field of expertise. You know, not treat him as a Messiah of all topics like some people seem to do.
I love Jordan Peterson because he made me think about some things from a different perspective. Hearing interesting advice about some things I've never considered can be intoxicating to me personally.
So in reality you're one of the people that has actually treated him as a Messiah of all topics considering what you said "I love Jordan Peterson because he made me think about some things from a different perspective. Hearing interesting advice about some things I've never considered can be intoxicating to me personally.
" You're one of those people that experiences something and then calls others out on that which you are also doing and makes it as if that's not something youre a part of but what's really going on here is you actually understand those people and have noticed that because you are one of those people.
@@Tolbat "You're one of those people that experiences something and then calls others out on that which you are also doing and makes it as if that's not something youre a part of but what's really going on here is you actually understand those people and have noticed that because you are one of those people"
lol yeah it's almost as if people can make mistakes through experience, learn from them, and then give reasonable advice to other people on how to have a more productive, realistic perspective. You know, the kind of thing that leads to improvement, unlike your comment which solely exists to smear and tear down people like an insecure douchebag
@@brandonrox10 Sure. Like when he said that Trump was smart.
@@andnowwevibe270 But he's not owning the fact he is one of those people, he is pretending he is not....yea real helpful...How about be honest so people can really relate to you and absorb your advice?
@@Tolbat There's literally no empirical or logically sound reason to assume the OP sees JP as an infallible genius on all topics. On no planet does 'He made me see some things from a different perspective' translate to 'I think he's right and well researched about everything'. You made a massive logical leap to get there, also known as an assumption. Can only imagine why
Secondly the OP made a recommendation of good form: to not just assume that everything someone says is true because they have a reputation as an intellectual. Your post is just pure ad hominem based on a nonsensical logical leap. More than likely you just needed your boost of narcissistic supply to make it through the day
'12 steps to life' may be seen as 'simplistic and obvious' by fully established professional men but the book is also aimed at young males starting out in life. We need more books like that which are easily understood by many of the seemingly lost or floundering youth of today.
You know something, there’s a lot of beauty in simplicity. To me, it’s actually a selling point. He Lays out things he considers to be irrefutable truth in all their starkness for all the world to see; naked truth, by God.
Well stated
Exactly.
I bought the book and I'm reading it right now. I passed it several times because of that, but I can almost assure you, when you read it, it's not like anything you expect. It's amazing and FULL with scientific evidence/information that can make your head spin, actually questioning the points that he makes. I really suggest the reading, it's for everybody (even women, for that matter). The rules themselves seems tongue in the cheek and very simplistic, but they're just a "hook" to get you in, in very important topics that describes the nature of our behaviour and how we can surpass through work and diligence our inadequacies. It's in my top 5, and I've read MANY books. If anything, I suggest you guys read it online, even if it's a preview. The lobster part is fucking great.
I wasn't a huge fan of the book. Was disappointed. Got more value from some of his lectures.
I too was moved by your analyses of the subjects , and it's great too critically look at who we watch ,especially in serious matters. Very compelling and I'm hooked . all my best
Jordan Peterson is absolutely amazing. Some people probably have a hard time following him but you have to understand that he messed up college level lecturer so you almost do need at least a higher than average vocabulary and idea of concepts to understand him. But I find them to be amazing, even if I have to stop and re listen to what he said because what he says is so impactful and deep that it's like eating thick bread without milk sometimes
At times, that's what happens when you listen to a college graduate level work in any field of study. Listen (or read) more than once is what I tell my gifted high school students while studying Physics.
This is almost the only fair critique of Peterson I've ever seen. Well-done.
I knoooowww
I'm not sure what the point of it was. Shouldn't it have been more of an analysis for a psychological understanding channel? I understand the Dr didn't want to go into specific details, but in doing so it didn't address some of the main critiques of Peterson, particularly on giving out "vacuous" self help advice and being the equivalent of a "Rorsach test" where wholly competing views can find their own meaning in what he says. Plus, Peterson's divisive sociological political views are kinda the point. Might have been better to do it, say, from a standpoint of - is this narcissistic behavior? Or something similar.
Anthony Miesel here’s a few other ones about his views on Marxism & Postmodernism. Really educational
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@mike gallimore Ya - any grandparent can give you that advice??? Prob say it better tho...
@mike gallimore ha ha😊... sassy comeback & I do appreciate your facetious parley, BUT... to expound on xyzz Doe's point which is the crux to your comment: 1) As a proclaimed "Self-Help" guru w/ books titled "Maps of Meaning" & "12 Rules..." the ire the Dr.'s ideas invoke in academic & intellectual circles is well deserved. His ideas: often hackneyed, using superfluous verbosity to exclaim the obvious. When Bill Maher exclaimed, "Why do I feel what this guy says is just common sense?" it's bc that's precisely his m.o. & that extends to almost all he spouts (esp. "Life advice") put under a scrutinous microscope. And the mental acrobats the reader (listener) has to perform to make sense of the Dr.'s long-winded, hifalutin proclamations leaves one (groupies) to acquiesce an undeserved appeal to authority. 2) Since the Dr. has been a constant critic of Marxist/Communist/Socialist philosophies to then flee to Russia in search of some rehab not available in the "post-modern" west is unabashedly hypocritical. Your anecdote about a fitness instructor is spot-on 👍(better than my ethical commitee politician recently found cheating analogy). His personal trails are inconsequential to his ideas & conclusions, (like dismissing Nietzsche due to his mental dissipation) & to hastily claim, "Well look how many people he's helped!" is an unwarranted appeal to emotion to the issues he's espousing. Taken on their own, his precepts & "Rules" (at face value) may seem wise, but held to any exegesis are found invalid & lacking integrity. ( Like advice to mimick the hierarchy of male lobsters? One may as well take Meine Kampf arguments about the master race seriously, ergo the Nazi comparisons among other radically conservative stances.) This can't be overstated enough esp. for someone called the "Intellectual of our Time" & who has been undeservedly crowned a "Messiah" in the Pscho/Self-help community. If there's any argument that we are not in the realm of the Bizarro - well here we are folks! And as far as our grandparents are concerned Mike G.😉, when they complain about the latest medication they've been prescribed, change the subject to one of the most meaningful events in their life & listen humbly.
Summary
+ A good debater: he's polite and listens carefully and generously to the views of his conversation partners. He's speaks articulately, precisely and deliberately. He doesn't let people put words in his mouth.
+ He's intelligent and productive and has thought very deeply about his opinions and conclusions.
+ His mix of subject areas makes him interesting and knowledgeable.
+ His conclusions are interesting and engaging.
- Many academics consider his 12 rules to be "simplistic and obvious."
- He often "moves a little too far beyond" what his evidence supports when making a conclusion. He arrives at those stretched conclusions via experience and personal opinion without explicitly stating he's doing so, giving him an undeserved air of validity. The example given is a time he gave a conclusion that defied an accepted medical definition without explicitly stating he was doing so.
- Some of his lectures, especially some philosophy ones, are too abstract and removed from his source literature to make sense or to have a coherent meaning.
- He is hard to follow.
- He rarely makes it clear when he is crossing the line between philosophy (opinion) and science.
Unsubstantiated criticisms
1. He has rude mannerisms: Todd thinks that's just his deliberate and attentive style.
2. He is unqualified to speak about politics: no one should be barred from political discussion, and JP backs up his views with subjects he is well versed on.
3. He's "ambiguous, murky, and unfocused.": Todd believes this is a product of his multiple subject areas. Though I'm personally not convinced it provides an excuse for it.
Very good and interesting summary, thank you.
thats one grip I've had with listening to JP he seemed to be a bit vague or beat about the bush somewhat, maybe I'm being ignorant but its just how I feel.
Why are you passing off your personal opinions as a 'summary'?
Please deconflate and repost.
@@Jorpando Anything that attempts to bridge academic philosophy and/or psychology and everyday life application and experience, will be criticised from both sides.
In my opinion, the clear pros outweigh the incredibly meticulous negative points
I like Jordan Peterson. I don’t always agree with him but I find him to be knowledgeable, thoughtful and insightful. His lectures and thoughts are interesting to me. He makes me think, as do you.
So why do we need this guys to give us feedback or validation on Peterson, when we already know his character and value.
@@alexgoldstein2428 “this guy” is a clinical Psychologist. I don’t “need” to hear him. I choose to hear him. You can choose not to hear him. No problem here.
I stayed away from Jordan Peterson for a long time because of his politics, but I have recently started listening to his podcast and some videos where he was interviewed. Much of his podcasts do not address the problematic political views he is known for. Instead, he covers a wide range of topics and I find his thoughts and insights very interesting and concept expanding. I wish my education base was greater in those areas so I could contextualize his thoughts better instead of just accepting what he says. You mentioned that Peterson appeals to doctors and lawyers. I'm fairly certain he also appeals to the large majority of engineers (engineering is also an applied science).
For the interviews, he is a highly skilled debater and while he can become very irritated/angry, he maintains confidence in his position and rarely loses ground. I wonder how much benzo use has allowed him to stay calm under pressure. His success in interviews can be strongly attributed to his debating approach, which has aggressive undertones and can throw off an interviewer. It is easy to attribute him "winning" in interviews to his position instead of his debating style, but it is important to recognize that his debating style plays a very large part in his interview success and that his position should be evaluated on it's own merit.
This critique is a whole lesson on how to appreciate the intellectual work of someone, with equanimity and fairness. I stand schooled and happy to have learned a lot, not only about how to assess someone's ableness and depth but mostly on how to be a serious critic. Thank you,
This critique is worth a flunking grade on an undergraduate paper as far as I am concerned. If some student handed it to me, I would give him or her a failing grade and a sharp note that he or she was being so mentally lazy that I suspect they're not the sort that should bother taking up space in a university. Anyone who thinks this is any kind of credible critique simply does not have the level of critical thinking skills of a smart high schooler student.
@@vancouverterry9142 the irony is palpable
@@MrMalkraz Ha Ha...
@@vancouverterry9142 you should examine your personal bias.
A teacher such as you should not bother taking up space in a university.
@@An-fi8is Don't try to pretend or sound like you're a competent thinker because you're obviously not -- WAKE UP and try to learn how to use your brains. People need WAKE UP calls sometimes. Your comment indicates that your standards are pathetically low, and your expectations of yourself are pathetic and self-fulfilling. WAKE UP AND START USING YOUR BRAINS. Maybe start by reading "The Dumbest Generation" by Max Bauerlein. And check out the UA-cam videos by Richard Arum. If you've got the brains to take in and consider some data and competent reasoning, you'll be able to WAKE UP to how PATHETICALLY LOW your standards are in making your pathetically-vacuous comment, and hopefully that'll inspire you to try to learn how to think.
As a single mother of adolescent boys, Dr P has been invaluable to us.i love his realistic, yet uplifting approach. 😀
I hope your boys do not listen to his views on women in the workplace. He’s a sexist. Be careful.
@@_letstartariot good thanks for your opinion
@@_letstartariot He isn't but well....
@@_letstartariot no, he's not. You however probably are.
@@_letstartariot oh, yeah. I just posted about his views on women, in general
I’m glad Jordan is on the world stage. Sure enough at times he drifts off, digresses, loses focus at times, but there is none in the world at the present time who can replace him. He’s been a powerful voice against vacuous woke culture, along with the excellent academic Douglas Murray and some other popular British figures and comedians. He’s a positive force for good in a world that has become a headless horse, which appears to be losing some kind of moral and spiritual compass. After a bout of illness, it’s good to see him back, with greater force and resilience.
Thank you for this discussion. I too have a PHD in one area. When I listen to Jordon Peterson there are times when I find his videos very engaging and other times very confusing. I'm pleased to learn that I am not alone in this. In
I think this is a very fair critique of Mr Peterson. Well done Dr Grande.
hilarious
sorry to hear that you have lost the ability to think. "12 rules for life is rules for how young men should act" -clear bias before he even begins teh actual critique
@@immortalwombat10 ok
Why do you call him Mr.?
@@immortalwombat10 Peterson has said that the rules don't just apply to men but everyone. A list to become a better person. A guide to moral fortitude, and a foundation grounded in strong basic ethics
Im very fond of Jordan Peterson's work, but Im always worried about not getting to attached to any one thinker, so Im always on the lookout for reasonable criticism. All the critique that I had found till now seemed to me to be either not very well informed or stemming from the need to defend a pre held beleif. This is the first reasonable and objective critique that Ive found, kudos for that! Suscribed!
He is a man, not a devil.
@@lucaswilhelmmeyer6943 if you like thinkers who don't defend pre-held beliefs, then maybe you should find a guy who doesn't believe in god or racial IQ science? Because those have been around for awhile, and they're definitely "beliefs," not facts based on the science.
@@d.m.collins1501
It’s not Nike Peterson had made a particularly big deal out of what his religious beliefs may be , and frankly it’s not like Athieism has proven immune to ideological preconceptions either.
And has he particularly “defended racial IQ science”? How?
Well you should see his talk with Sam Harris. That's very interesting
@@cainemangakahia4842 he hasn't defended racial IQ. He used the fact that if you see the people who come into the extreme ends of top IQ range, are dominated by Jews (statistics), and used that to make the point against equity.
I think peterson is one to listen to. Regardless. He doesnt have to be ‘correct’. He is sincere, thoughtful and a genius.
The best videos of Dr. Jordan Peterson are when he is discussing topics with others. He generally wipes the floor with them, but in a very respectful and considered way. Dr. Peterson comes totally prepared, stays on topic, and never looses focus. Even if you do not like what Dr. Peterson is saying, just watching him is a master class in effective debate.
I am a67 yr old Grandmother---Jordan B Peterson has helped me with life lessons I wish I had learnt earlier in life...I am now listening to an audio on The Gulag Archapalego...not something I would generally read though I did read the Russians in my 20s.I think his total presence with a person when he listens or speaks..He gives people his total time and attention..this is very compelling. He shows he really cares for those ,moments...He is totally authentic...He is a great positive influence in my life
Julie-Anne Hansen he’s a crack head in rehab
Great, I'm glad it helped you 👍
I enjoyed this man’s points. They don’t feel attacking, they feel good. Good job, you get a like
I found that Jordan Peterson has consistently provided meaningful paths in the forests of ambiguity. I think your unique, lucid take on his wanderings has a refreshing outlook that invites different ways to see them. Thanks
Before watching this video, I would like to ask Dr. Grande to consider doing an update on Jordan Peterson. There have been significant developments concerning Dr. Peterson since this installment.
His lectures are pretty fast forward, but I`ve recently seen some of his interviews and was blown away by such an engaged listener, so patient and supportive, and though suspicious at first, I now feel his motivational messages come from deep concern for changing the tragic human condition. A very fair and informed critique from dr.Grande
I don't know. At first I was captivated by Dr. P. Then, as I watched more and more lectures of his, I started to question his motiffs more and more often. When asked about certain topics, he seems to be deliberately disingenuine. Other times he ommits certain crucial facts or is incredibly uncharitable when speaking about his political opponents. I still attributed it all to his flawed human nature, but the deal-breaker was probably actually reading his work. It was far from what I expected it to be: unprofessional, sloppy and outright dumb at some points. I still appreciate the fact that he seems to be helping people (precisely young men), but other than that, I don't have much admiration for him.
I sooo agree Marijana! He is an exceptionally genuine and kind man. I pray for him often.
@@MrKosobi Your loss, IMHO.
Why are you imputing motives rather than considering the message?
@Rick Lane {{Citation needed|date=July 2020}}
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@Rick Lane Really classy, "Lobsterson" doesn't detract from your supposed points at all, Rick Lame.
Your critique of his work is damn good. Reasonable, informed and presented in a respectable manner. I do not agree with all of the critique, but I also do not agree with all the things J.P. concludes (or I just don't understand). All in all, it is the attitude with which you comment that won me. It was pleasant listening to your perspective of his work.
What i appreciate most is that he is such a good communicator and very honest. A good challenge to us all.
Thank you for that thoughtful and fair analysis of Jordan Peterson. I really enjoy his lectures. When watching his videos, I can literally see him thinking and processing, and carefully choosing his words. I could listen to him all day (but I don't of course, as that would interfere with my Dr. Grande time) 😉
Your analysis is reasonable, articulate and balanced. Thank you for grounding us.
His books and lectures are just as much for women as they are for men, many media outlets insinuate that he's trying to influence young men, but in reality he just speaks about what he cares about and what he thinks would be helpful for people today. Obviously he's not perfect, as he is human, but I do believe he is a very genuine and kind man and there aren't enough of them around. I'm grateful for his influence in my life as a young woman. However, I think you were very fair in your critique, I just wanted to put in my 2 cents.
Also, who cares if he's trying to influence young men? They need guidance, too. I do not particularly like Dr. Peterson, but a lot of his general views/advice are perfectly okay.
His lectures are more for men because its harder being a man !
He says extremely ignorant things about women but most of his advice is good.
@@tomaselke3670 well like one thing he says is that women are the embodiment of chaos energy, I believe that's paraphrasing but still. It's bound to be taken kind of poorly. I think a lot of what he says is just easily interpreted how you want to. Like when he says "women are the embodiment of chaos energy" that's very easy to support in the mythos and say "hey ya, women can be chaotic," if that's what you want to believe, but you can also read it as just straight sexism quite easily. He has a lot of opinions that are almost like soundbites and are, I think, deliberately inflammatory because it gets press, and then he walks them back to a place that's usually pretty reasonable through careful rhetoric. So him saying extremely ignorant things about women is true to a point, and it's quite easy to see why someone would believe that.
@@joecbraun That is a common criticism of him tossed around in interviews I've seen but his response is usually something akin to this, the feminine is symbolically represented as chaos in mythology and literature. So, not exactly what you are saying. What he is actually asserting is about female representation in mythology, not his personal take on women. Take it how you want to, but I think you and many others are creating a straw man out of a nuanced statement.
I can’t get enough of Jordan Peterson. Our culture is saturated with low level ideas and beliefs which I find destructive to our health and evolution. Jordan does have an image of “superiority” which diminishes his ability to teach. But you can’t have Everything - I’m glad he’s in our world and contributing his wisdom. We need it.
I wish we had more people like Jordan Peterson. He reminds me of my father. A very insightful spiritual man. Most spiritual people who grow up in Los Angeles and New York don’t carry the thought 💭 you will burn in hell if you are gay. Men like my father are deliberate and thoughtful. They commit to they’re partners and care for they’re children. In two weeks I had a Hispanic woman ask me for my grocery cart with her daughter when no one was around. The next day I had a white upper class young teenager with his black friend take my phone at a shoe store. I was buying shoes for my daughter, set my phone down, and walked away. The two teenagers behind me should’ve done the right thing and said, hey Miss, you’re phone. The kid could’ve done right by me. You think 💭 he is being raised with any spirituality? When you are raised with morals and a father who makes it perfectly clear what rules are important to live by I bet his kid would think twice before stealing my phone for my credit card information. I used share my IPHONE and it led me to the young kid’s house down the street from me. I had cops with me when we saw my phone thrown over a wall away from the house. The dad was playing golf ⛳️ with his girlfriend. This week I have to go back to the house with a cop and ask him to pay whatever the amount is for my damaged phone being thrown over the wall at Apple and a new screen from Best Buy. I will also make a police report so the kid will think twice about being a criminal. As far as people. I’ll stick to Californians who have lived in Los Angeles for several decades. New money tends to be narcissistic pathological liars like this dad raising a kid who does not have good character. The apple 🍏 does not fall far from the 🌳 tree.
I love the way you keep ego out of your analysis.
Dispassionate!!! 👌
Like a good judge should be.
jordan is egoic. not narcissist yet.
ordan Peterson's behaviour/ mannerisms reminds me of someone diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder....but he seems like a narcissist who has studied psychology, philosophy and scientific politics and has identified himself as somone who has experienced emotional/psychological abuse as a child. His behaviour and mannerisms seems like his struggling inside. His ego comes out alot
@@imoeazy agreed. I think you are a better psychologist than JP. he cannot even sort out his issue and went into depression. 😂😂 can a depressed patient trust a depressed clinical psychologist ? lmao
@@imoeazy From this comment it is clear you haven't consumed much of JP's content. The ego is an integral part of the complete self. I find it difficult to trust anyone who doesn't show us their true selves every now and then. Especially someone who speaks publicly and on podcasts as much as JP. I'm glad he gets vulnerable and shows us his passion/love for humanity.
If you listen to Dr. Petersons older lectures at universities you will see why people think he's highly intelligent and why they love to listen to him. He really is brilliant.
He also really comes across like he really cares about his students. He does an excellent job listening to them and validating them when they ask a question.
Pre-culture war Jordan Peterson is really brilliant
I guess if you think word salad is brilliant lol
@@wolfy1 ... He is brilliant when it comes to understading human nature.
@@wolfy1 From what I've seen so far, he does toss a lot of word salad, but he usually has a point that he fiercely and deeply feels, and usually has a well-reasoned and research argument to support it. This does not protect him from inherent biases and dissonances, though.
You both stimulate deeper thoughts within me & give me tools that can make me a better person and I feel blessed by that. It's too easy these days to say "if they can why can't I" mentality and at the end of the day you find that you like yourself so much less.
I hope you both continue with this free content you give us to make us all better people ❤️💯👍🏻
I greatly appreciate Dr. Grande's content, it's rational and objectively analytical. So many arguments I see today, both sides are perfectly valid and offer insight, but you're expected to pick one emotional and political extreme or the other, and view the world in black and white. It's frustrating, things tend to land somewhere in the gray area in between, and people attatch too much of their own individual identity to every opinion and idea that they have, and feel defensive and attacked by anyone who disagrees. It's increasingly rare and refreshing to hear basically a reasonable compromise regarding emotionally charged subjects and figures.
Jordan Peterson is a perfect example. Though I think I'd find myself agreeing with a lot of his viewpoints, I haven't seeked his material out, and only know him based on what others have said. But it's my understanding that he doesn't align himself with a certain political movement or idealogy, rather it's been applied to him after the fact. So now you have one side that views him as a cornerstone representative of their beliefs, and another side that automatically discredits or invalidates anything he says, while if it came from someone else, they'd most likely be in total agreement.
Unfortunately, given the nature of his videos, and having a more neutral character than someone like JP, this type of content won't ever find the same popularity. But know that it's still appreciated by someone! 👍
A good overview, thank you. I've been looking for a professional and calm critique of Peterson. I think the fact that it has been hard to find says something about the type of discourse he is involved in (both in content and style). This does the job nicely. Although it seems to me by not looking at his political discourse you have omitted an important element of any Peterson critique. It is the main reason he has become internationaly famous and forms the majority of his current content.
I'm my view with respect to this Jordan makes some valid and insightful rebuttals against what is currently described as woke or progressive ideology. However he often neglects to provide alternative answers to the problems they seek to address, such as poverty, greed, abuse of power, social injustice both historical and current, climate change, and the destruction of ecosystems.
What's more his dicourse often seems to stray away from quality, truth seeking debate and into raw emotional response, often leading to angry belittlement of people who hold different views to his own. I have seen many instances of him losing his temper, swearing and entering into hateful speech. Sometimes this may be subtle for example a repeated demand for someone to 'be specific' and asking them to quantify (literally wants a percentage) something that is by definition not quantifiable. Sometimes it could be direct tirade for example calling someone a 'f-ing liar'.
He's no doubt a very intelligent and knowledgeable person, and it seems a lot of what he says is grounded in research however he loses a great deal of credibility and does himself a disservice when he strays into such emotional response. Instead of allowing for clear headed pursuit of truth this behaviour creates an emotional haze in which the truth can be obscured. One has to assume that Jordan knows and understands this very well, and moreover knows how it will be attractive some of his more extreme followers. It even flies in the face of his 9th rule, Jordan so frequently refers to 'always assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't'. Which inturn begs the question, why does he do it?
Perhaps it is simply a human response to counter the same treatment he receives (if not worse), however deploying the same tactics in return is not the sign of an argument grounded in objectivness.
He's definitely libertarian.
His willingness to have live debates with people who have an apparent desire to discredit him is stupendous. The fact he tends to come out unscathed is amazing to me.
So true
Maybe it's because he is able to decorate them with rarely used but beautiful sounded vocabularies, and avoid answering yes/no questions directly.
"Does he believe in god?", looked.for his videos, he never directly answer this, not even with "I'm not sure".
Wrong he cancelled podcast with Mohammed Hijab three times and he doesn't follow his own rules.
@@williampan29 I agree that he has a an excellent command of the lexicon, however he is very precise in his speech and generally uses the words that correctly defines the subject matter. Words are often nuanced in a way the words such say for instance dog, or pet, or even canine might reflect different ideas depending on context.
@@mohammedmohiuddin1513 he tries to follow them, also for a guy who dislikes him you certainly talk like him
I am not sure Peterson aims to be ‘entertaining’ 😐 at all. His rambling style seems to be actually his natural thought process.
A lot of people ‘gets’ him. A lot of people don’t.
Peterson is quite the fan of Carl Jung, and among the things Jung has talked about are "archetypes" which are basically images and motifs Jung thought were some sort of innate knowledge all humans have in some form such as the archetype of the hero or the father, etc. This is particularly relevant for storytelling, and Peterson has said he does aim to tell stories and keep people interested. From there I would say he does intend to be entertaining in the sense of keeping attention on him when he's trying to convey whatever thoughts he has.
@@jackalopegaming4948 i think that everyone that is teaching something should aim to be entretaining, without detriement of the knowleadge itself of course
Yes he does, he admitted such to Russel Brand
Sometimes people associate the word ‘entertaining’ to evoking extreme emotions or reactions or to performing clownish acts. I think Peterson’s style evokes curiosity and thought. I think he’s entertaining in that manner.
@@jackalopegaming4948 to further that, a lot of the theorised interpretations of archetypes focus on how an archetype (Great Father, Anima/Animus, etc) can be of merit for humans in explaining. Peterson follows Jung to a high degree, so I feel he takes influence from Jung in this sense. He isn't afraid to enter the realm of storytelling in an educational setting because he sees the utulity in it from a Jungian theoretical standpoint.
I’m glad you did a video analysis on Jordan Peterson!
Now I have the reference of two of my favourite people in one sort of :) I hope you understand ❤
I enjoy watching your videos Dr Grande
The best thing about Jordan Peterson is that he has original, well reasoned, and well intentioned thought. He will explain and defend his stance so long as he thinks it’s reasonable.
I think he has identified that people need simplistic truths to live by in order to live, fulfilling, purposeful lives.
I think academia doesn’t like him generally, because he’s a threat to their general narrative. He’s a well-educated, well spoken, and seemingly authentic human being at a time when being both an authentic and good person is increasingly rare.
He explains his thought pattern as to why phenomenon are occurring and proposes solutions that makes sense to him.
I honestly believe that people hate him because he speaks that if you are downtrodden, you should empower yourself, and because he left it open ended as to who would be downtrodden, a bunch of young men who have been told they are toxic and patriarchal, and generally evil and privileged just by their existence, have gravitated towards him, and found truth and help in his words.
Everybody else seems to have messages of empowerment in society right now, and he stands against the grain and speaks the truth he has experienced.
I've waited a long time for someone else to say that they sometimes have no idea what Jordan Petersen is talking about! Lol I thought it was just me. Thanks Dr Grande for your honesty!
Truly, he makes little sense to me either.♥️
Yes!!! At the request of a friend, I checked out some of his videos, and in one he was almost ...manic for lack of a better word? He was talking very fast and making no sense. Now my IQ is high enough that I can keep up with him, and catch him in extreme ideas, but I even doubted my own reality for a split second, which is a huge red flag. I even slowed the video down, and he was creepily incoherent. In other videos, not so much. But he is not consistant from interview to interview. I was really excited to see Dr Grande review him! He has some good points, and great ideas, but then will say something so ridiculous- like feminism is ruining the ideology of manhood. (Paraphrased) or that Ann Frank's diary is fiction :o I keep watching him, not as a fan, but out of interest and specticism. He's def not consistant. My friend is paying $100 to see him speak later this month. That's her thing tho.
I think Jordan structures his ideas in a very linear fashion. It’s as if he’s building a giant structure with his ideas which isn’t how a lot of people think. Instead of freely floating between related points, he uses each idea to expand upon the previous. I’m sure there’s a much more nuanced explanation but this is just my two cents
@@beaujones5124 Your 2 cents is as welcome as mine🌷
@@cdow9032 Which videos are you talking about? I would love to analyze them.
What I love about Todd is that he’s always straightforward, honest and candid. There’s no nonsense with him.
That is Dr. Grande to you ;)
Deliberate.
We'll see.
Todd
There is some nonsense. An acceptable amount. He got jokes lol
Peterson has completely changed my life for the better ....I'm successful and confident in my life and it's Peterson played a big part in that
I watched several of your videos and always give them a thumbs up, I feel compelled to comment here as I follow JP and mostly enjoy his content, but don’t always agree or understand his points. You brought light to my thoughts and feelings. I am pleased that you gave him credit for his strengths and I loved how fair and honest you were in this analysis. The problem is that we, people, often want to be 100% pro or against opinions or thoughts, but that’s incongruent with human nature. Why can’t we simply appreciate the goodness in people while being wise thinkers for ourselves ? The only thing I’d add is that, in my opinion, academic philosophy can be too selective and seemingly unachievable for most people. A good teacher would be able to use a language that is deep but also accessible. I follow a philosophy teacher from the New Acropolis of Brazil who makes philosophical teaching digestible and pleasant, and more importantly, applicable! I’ve learnt so much more in that way. So when JP gets too abstract for me to follow, I disengage. But still respect his valuable contribution. Thank you 🙏
Who is the teacher from brazil? Sounds good
Peterson, in my mind, is a person who synthesizes and combines a lot of different branches of knowledge. So yes, he will sometimes seem a little bit "out there". But that is also what makes him great. It allows us to perceive new perspectives.
As for the criticism that his advice books are simplistic, well yes, they are really just a form of folk wisdom that most of us should already know, however, most modern audiences do NOT know it. So the work is important. Also, he does not just give the advice but gives a detailed reasoning behind the advice.
Yes his reader are young people who are lost. Not for professor to learn more.
He also has a habit of overgeneralizing research or expanding it beyond the scope of what has actually been shown. His discussion on dream interpretation is a perfect example of this as he takes bits and pieces of research and synthesizes it into a statement about dreams that is misleading at best and most likely simply inaccurate.
That’s good for people who don’t like to read books but still like to pretend they are educated . Tell me that’s not what every Jordan Peterson fan is .
@@dinosore4782 That is not treating your audience here in good faith. It comes across as "I'm better than you because I'm educated." Hubris, in other words. You don't need to do that. You don't need to say that. Because, if you do, if you really think that you need to point that out, you are making clear your insecurity, that's all.
@@brendanh8193 blah blah blah. You said everything except that I’m wrong . Becuase you know it’s true, deep down, that’s how you are . Just be honest, it takes alot less sentences to just accept the truth .
One danger area for smart people is that some of them may tend to overestimate how smart they are. This is understandable, as they are often the smartest person in the room. But they're not _always_ the smartest person in the room.
Thank goodness!!
Smart people tend to know their limits...
Jordan Peterson is just some dude who sells self-help books to a demographic that used to be reluctant to buy them...
I think dumber people more often overestimate :p
@@u1rtc7t5f64t157856v8 I think you need to research Jordan Peterson a little more. He's not just some "dude".
@@u1rtc7t5f64t157856v8 You're absolutely clueless to say such a thing -- absolutely clueless, beyond ignorant -- more like a threat to the gene pool.
Thank you doc. Balance has become a rare commodity in recent years, with the ever increasing polarization, that exists almost everywhere you look... it is truly comforting and refreshing, to come across it, in the rare instances, that one can find it. You are possibly the most reasonable and rational figure, that I have come across on Y.T. With all of the anger and choosing a "side", that gets shoved down your throat everywhere, it's good to have you to look to, for a perspective that doesn't have some sort of implicit agenda. Per usual, I'm tipping my hat to you, sir. 🎯👀🤔🗽
Dr. Grande, I enjoy the entirety of your offerings and the way you present your content. I also want to tell you that your willingness to admit the possibility of being wrong is a refreshing trait in someone of your caliber and in your position. You approach "self-deprecating" without tarnishing your character and illustrate that a humble demeanor is nothing of which to be ashamed. Thank you for your example and educational content on all matters psychological and legal. Much Respect.
Bravo! Someone that is capable of a RESPECTFUL critique. Well done.
Meine Meinung du Falafel You’re right! Critique doesn’t have to be respectful, nice, politically or socially correct. Absolutely! Every other critique of Peterson’s work seems to be driven by ideological nonsense. I simply pointed out that this guy did not do that and what he did do, he did with class. So what point are you trying to make?
Hopefully Peterson never comes back to a world stage. He doesn't deserve a platform.
09BiGDylan He doesn’t deserve a platform? Can you explain why that is? Or is it simply that you are intimidated by someone who has opposing views to your own?
I am an orthodox Muslim with a BPD wife and I admire both of you.
@@09BiGDylan you don't get a "platform" because you deserve it, but instead because someone/somewhere wants to hear what you have to say. Your use of "deserve" implies you need permission, and in your case permission from a social Marxist and all that entails.
Thanks for an excellent critique. I do agree that Dr. Peterson does occasionally talk beyond his expertise in certain areas, but overall he does a good job.
@Anthony Mendoza I agree with you! Personally I feel he goes beyond his expertise when discussing biblical accounts as if he is a biblical scholar which he is not.
God, Jesus and biblical accounts are not to be explained through psychology or philosophy. They are best understood through belief and faith. I realize he is grappling with his beliefs and of course as everyone, has every right to do so. My peeve is that he weeves his ideas in his videos on psychology as if he is qualified theologian.
The danger in this is high as many people respect his thoughts, of which I am one, but a person who may be on the fence as to their beliefs will look to his teaching as sound just because he is Jordan Peterson. They may fail to research biblical pastors as a result..pastors who are able to transform you and change your life (i.e.David Pawson, Derek Prince, David Wilkinson, Charles Stanley, John Piper, Voddie Baucham just to name a few). At least they did for me! 🤔
He is often the first to say that he is in fact not an expert when discussing certain topics. Especially in his newest content where he talks to very experienced guests about their area of expertise.
I've never seen Dr. Peterson suggest that he is an expert on a given topic when he clearly knows he's not. Quite the opposite.
@@claudiapennisi7987 "God, Jesus and biblical accounts are not to be explained through psychology or philosophy" Now that's simply not true.
@@mambutuomalley2260 Personally, I believe if Jordan Peterson would consider Christian study in a seminary he would blow our mind! 🤯
@@claudiapennisi7987 Actually it is. The guy gave a lecture in Harvard for 6 years discussing myth in the context of Jungian Psychology, and Christianity plays an important role in that discipline (that was developed by Jung himself).
I appreciate that you didn't talk about his politics, that's the only thing I've ever heard. Nice to have a whole picture of him and his content.😊
I often have to listen a few times to some of his philosophical lectures…I’m pretty smart too (at least I think so) but even pausing and rewinding a segment to gain understanding, the message is sometimes tough to grasp. This is a very balanced critique!
Sometimes the unusual pauses in the middle of your sentences really get me
"He seems like he's really high-"
"- in openness to experience."
Like... I think you can imagine where my head went with what you meant for a moment lmao
albelnoxroxursox well he was high on pain killers the whole time and he's paying for it now unfortunately.
@@faustianrevival3816 Incorrect.
He went on anxiety relief medication because the light of his life and his literal soulmate, his wife, came down with a very volatile type of cancer relatively suddenly and he spent months suffering with the very real and likely possibility that he might lose his other half. Everyone has a breaking point where they are no longer strong enough to rely on themselves alone, and sometimes there's nothing people in one's immediate support systems can do. His philosophy couldn't save him from the unbearable suffering of facing one of his worst fears, and so he turned to medication.
When his wife recovered, he realized he couldn't come off it by himself so he took responsibility and sought out the help he needed.
Idk what the hell is up with all the people demonizing him for this.
@@albelnoxroxursox, well said.
I wanted to point that out too, that had me pause for a second and then snicker. Well played!
@@faustianrevival3816 I didn't hear any thing about pain killers but I definitely heard about him being on benzodiazepines and abusing them. I'm on pain killers most of the time for permanently damaged proximal hamstring and adductors tendons (groin). But I've managed to keep my overall doses low by sticking to the recommended doses, and when I know my pain is significant and steady, by cutting my pills into quarters and dosing on the half life so I get stable effects. There's nothing unfortunate for Peterson though. He's a United Nations agent acting to prevent white males from thinking to form political identity groups to protect themselves, their countries and their interests. Try digging deeper. He's a shill for judeo-masonry.
“He seems like he’s high. . .”
True.
“. . .in openness to experience.”
Oh.
Extra relevant all the sudden...
Dude was high.
He was always high -it was obvious before but now we have proof
@@SueSue-mp2iu
Yeah, I'm really hoping more comes out. Some people deserve to be shit on. Propagandists for the status-quo especially.
@@erin7800
Yes, that's the story. Do I believe the story of a man who claims he "did not sleep for 25 days"?
No, I don't think I do.
Rules such as patient confidentiality mean we only have his daughter's word that he was on benzoes only. No one knows the source of his addiction. Even in interviews, he always seemed very intense over last three years.
This is a really outstanding video. Thank you!
Peterson demystifies areas of thought, teaches that people can think for themselves and that they should never be afraid to take responsibility for their own actions and thoughts.
Great video. Devoid of emotion and ego, the most important attributes of a great analysis.
Incorrect
Great input by everyone, great job guys!
I wonder how much the globalist death cult pays him?
Devoid of emotion usually means nap time
@@876r876rf maybe you should delete it then?
Me and my gf found his book very useful in our lives. We may have been both not been living our best lives, I think that's who he appeals too most. The forgotten people of this world.
Great video! You're fair, that's refreshing in a world that seems all too ready to just tear others apart. Not unlike the political arena to some extent it's hard to find someone willing to see both sides of someone or something without being hard one side or the other. Your thoughts on the separation between right and left politically would be interesting but also I'd imagine a bit of wasted time on your part. Thanks for the great videos!
JP is extremely knowledgeable without question and I do not discredit his intelligence. I am fairly simple and feel sometimes these perceived brilliant individuals can just be 'to smart for his own good" He handles keeping within his wheelhouse of expertise but when elaborating philosophical and or theoretical hypothesis can be a bit grandiose and his abilities in his own mind are beyond the scope of reality and it is very controversial. Then again this is an excellent way to stir the pot and provoke interesting and engaging conversations or debates. In conclusion, he is a very talented, intelligent and envelope pushing style that is intentional for the attention and recognition that will acquire the respect, approval and acceptance of his colleagues and even his critics. Basically, it sells. His approach is effective in what I think his goals are and how to achieve them regardless of outside support or critique. Overall, a very talented, insightful, and articulate with the addition of going above and beyond what he is actually capable of doing. Although it can be very convincing to many. Definitely a profound figure in his areas of expertise. I respect the man. I will just say I give him credit cause it is due to him. Right or wrong, we all are and that is no exception with JP. With that I personally cut the man some slack.
I was ready for another one-sided hit piece...that never came. And now I'm subscribed here.
Me too!😊
Same.
@The Judge assumptions aren't wrong if you are willing to challenge them. You can't survive without assumptions.
@@suckieduckie oh hush
@@suckieduckie Assumptions can be wrong, which is why they must be critically evaluated, and if wrong corrected or rejected.
A very decent critique - clear, without envy or "animosity". Thank you!
Your perspective on Peterson is very fair. Saying“he isn’t an expert in x” seems to be a very common practice. Saying someone isn’t an expert implies one’s own expertise in the field to judge what qualifies an expert, while also refusing to offer any substantial alternative explanation. Since UA-cam is an entertainment platform not a certification program, there are plenty of opinions of various levels of expertise. The “not an expert” criticism is a way for someone with no expertise nor willingness to engage with ideas to disparage and silence others he doesn’t like.
You r spot on about JP!!!!! I only have RESPECT for you and JP!!!!!!❤️❤️❤️