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Hey daddy how attractive do you think my body type is. I am a 553 pound obese male, WHO IS HEALTHY BTW!!! Do you think I could ever get some p####??? 🧐
@@gl7257 I think the video is more an attempt at redirection. Male bodybuilder constantly mirrin' themselves in the mirror, or judging other guys physiques, but hiding it under the guise of 'making themselves attractive to women'. Sad really.
It is amazing how you really don’t know what your body looks like when you look at yourself. I was really lean and muscular in my 20s without any effort (I’m still muscular and decently lean). I was looking back at progress photos on my phone the other day and holy shit I was photo shoot ready diced to the socks and I never thought or saw by body as that when I was in the moment.
idk bruvs. People say you start going to the gym and you start getting more body dysmorphia? Ever since I started lifting, my body dysmorphia goes down, directly proportional to how much muscles I put it. Like, I started at 16 BMI, look around like that guy at 4:35. I went from that to 22 BMI atm.
My takeaway is that women don’t like unnaturally large physiques. The keyword is unnatural. Just like most guys tend to look at women with unnatural looking boob jobs, bbls, lip filler, etc negatively for long term relationships. These things can be disregarded quickly in the heat of the moment, under the influence, at a party or bar or whatever, and some people do of course fetishize them. Bottom line is you will probably never be *too jacked* training naturally.
Yeah whether it's that super crazy steroid bodybuilder physique or those disturbingly huge boobs it's still the same concept the person stops looking human anymore and it triggers our natural fear instincts it becomes creepy uncanny valley body horror! I think sometimes guys that get that obsessed with muscle are kind of delusional and not helped by living in those echo chamber communities where everybody's obsessed and delusional so it becomes normalized and they don't realize how freakish it can looks to outsiders I think meany of them are mentally ill and it's really sad society condones it reminds me of eating disorder communities where everybody convinces each other bones look good teen girls telling each other that guys like a thigh gap but outsiders are horrified by how sickly underweight they look it's so easy to get hyper focused on details and lose perspective I think most people need to analyze why they're doing something and make sure it's for the right reasons and it's actually a contributing positively to their lives and not becoming a problem!
Just don’t be a slob… and if you can fill out a shirt that is proportional to you (not 2 sizes too small) women find that much more attractive than no clothes at all or less fabric to try and show off.
The thing about the "dad bods" is, that there's not even a consensus about what a dad bod really is. I saw a video where some girls called fucking cbum on a bulk a "dad bod". I think when women say they like dad bods, they mostly mean a guy that has a little higher body fat but WITH muscle and not just a fat guy who clearly doesn't exercise
As a woman that's exactly what it means every girl I've talked to thinks dad bod is a well build guy without a sharp six pack, not a guy with a beer belly 😂
Also how does being dad have anything in common with it? It anything being dad will make you loose weight because of all that stress and not having time
@@watsonkushmaster3067 I think the idea is a guy who was a ripped high school football player, gets married and has kids. Still trains semi-frequently when he has time but indulges in a bit more pizza and beer than he used to. The key thing here is that he's still more muscular than the average guy. He just has higher bf% too (so instead of 12-14 maybe like 18-20).
All i know is my personal experience; Ive always been an observant person, sometimes to a detrimental degree. I grew up very skinny, but enjoyed sports and was always athletic. Never got much attention from girls/women for my physique and honestly in general. Started lifting later than most (26) and every year since then has been better than the last in terms of attention from the opposite gender. From subtle looks and signs of interest, to people treating me differently in public (men and women) like holding the door, smiling, looking in my direction, saying hello, members of the service industry being friendlier etc. Is it because of increased confidence, less depression and better posture that is a byproduct of lifting? No doubt it plays a role. But i wouldn't have them without the physique changes, so i argue its a moot point. My personal life has been on an upswing ever since i started consistently going to the gym, and im grateful to the noble natties for their information library and community, as well as myself for not stopping even when major injuries and life changing circumstances have impacted my training. Keep lifting gents, for a rising tide raises all ships.
You have to keep up the progress though and see where things drop off again. Chances are at this point your "pretty jacked" for a normal guy, but what happens when your traps touch your ears? When your thighs touch like a chubby girl? When you are so jacked you barely look human anymore.... at what point are the girls repelled?? Science demands you find out!
Yup. Agree. Most men get a bit more attention from women as they age from their mid 20s to around, whether or not they put on any significant muscle in the gym.@@boundaryconditions1119
Woman here! I’m 34 and recently started dating again. It’s a huge turn on when men work out their shoulders and arms. Also, I notice when men have nice butts it turns me on. My dating pool had gotten older, some men really loose it they get the belly and the flat butt. It’s a turn off. So please keep lifting!! Most of us really appreciate shoulders arms and butt. I notice those things and it’s such a turn on when a man takes care of himself.
The type of man that you find attractive is looking for younger girls. A woman in her mid 30s is the equivalent of a unfit man. Dont let them fool you. If those guys you find sexy are dating you, be sure that they will pump and dump you. Dont fall for physical attractiveness. This type of guy dont take you seriously. You should date that average dude with belly and without muscles.
Hell i know dudes who aren't muscular who pull. You can't lift your way out of bad social skills. Unless you develop your social skills by making friends at the gym. That could work
Personal experience story: When I began dating my wife I was a pencil neck jabroni. Didn’t stop her from falling in love with a doofus (me), and marrying said doofus. I got the skinny fat Dad bod during shutdown and was abruptly motivated to get in shape. Later did a couple of bulks and cuts to what is now a new body that my wife enjoys way more than my old self. Now on to my point; my wife is a smoke show. She could legit be a part time model or an air hostess from the 60’s. For some reason she fell for a not very muscular version of me, and later I met my muscle building potential and I still push myself to grow each year. I believe this is a factor in sustainable relationships. Continuing to develop for your significant other using them as fuel to spark change.
are you 6 foot 4 or above and do you happen to have blue eyes?? Also is your wife Caucasian ?? I know it is a fucked up question but i gotta know to match some patterns in my monkey brain
@@RazorRamonMachismo I’m seriously happy you asked! Without getting too much into personal info (don’t want identity theft)…jk I’m always too personal. 5’9, hazel eyes and totally ‘average’. I won’t say anything more about my wife personally on the internet other than she is an 11/10. Personality seriously goes a long way fellas. Muscle definitely helps for long term lovin though. Also, my children get hyped when I do pull-ups with them holding onto me. Super fun.
@@MC-nt7jz lulz, I can honestly understand why people need to ask those questions though. Transparency is lacking in the world and when people learn that an average guy like me can live the kind of life he does it helps the mindset. Just takes a lot of self development and time.
I liked the end of your video today when you said, "Lift for you!". I've been chunky/overweight most of my life. I'm 64 now, so I have a granddad rather than a dad bod! I started working out and trying to eat a better diet four years ago. I'm still overweight for my height, but the muscle I've packed on me is more than I've ever had, so I'm far from disappointed with my results. Trying to stick with it so I can develop better definition in the coming years. I have learned that there aren't very many of my contemporaries who work out or exercise at all, and about the only person who cares about how I look, is me! I think a person's wit and winning personality go a long way in attracting women (or men) to one's dating pool. Thanks for your perspective on this. 👍🏻💪🏻
If you're 64, why are you listening to this clueless guy? Listen to Dan John. He's an expert of building size and losing weight for old geezers like you.
Most women appreciate when a guy is physically fit and takes care of himself, but not to an extreme level like a bodybuilder. In my experience, intelligence, a good personality, confidence (not arrogance), a good work ethic, and general physical fitness and good health are some of the most attractive characteristics that women look for in a guy.....but if you're after attention from lots of dudes in and out of the gym, then by all means get massive like a bodybuilder. 💪
I mean whenever i see people clarifying that you shouldn't look like a bodybuilder i find it weird because who the hell can even look like a bodybuilder even if they tried and with gear assistance too 😂😂
A dad bod looks good when it's Jon Hamm, Will Smith, or Leo DiCaprio. But another thing to note: the individuals with the dad bod in that situation are Jon Hamm, Will Smith, & Leo DiCaprio
9 years into the gym, and yes women like physically fit men, not just because it looks good but because it shows them what kind of a men you are. It's more about the grind/huscle/dedication that women love, same applies if you started at the bottom in school and you end up as a wealthy business man, it's something alot of man don't want or if they do not achieve.And what I also want to mention is that other men will notice too, some will be jealous and hate you with no reason and others will see you as a role model, respect you more than they used to and sometimes I believe being physically fit also helps in job interviews haha. Because my recent boss was amazed by my physique when I was having a job interview with him, told me that he used to train alot of kickboxing in his youth and we both instantly had a great connection. Obviously that effect hits hard when you boss is a fitness freak too, but if not they will still appreciate your dedication to fitness, thats something they want you to have for their job I guess.
Based on my personal experience, women mostly don't care about muscles on a guy and muscular physique doesn't help you at job interviews in any way. Majority of people just don't seem to care. Only people who care are other dudes who go to the gym.
Face and height are much more important for attracting women than muscular physique. I'm pretty sure that 99.5% of women would say that Sean O'Pry or Marlon Brando are more attractive than any muscular guy with average face.
Bunch of BS. When are we going to come to terms with the reality that women enjoy a man with a good body too, purely for what it looks like? There are loads of scumbag losers on roids with decent physiques and women respond all the same.
Nope, what you say is completely irrelevant. Ask yourself the following: Would you want to shag an ugly chick, that's super funny and a good listener? Nope. Why do you think it's different for women. It's good to be a good listener and stuff, just like it's good to be able to buy groceries cheaply or repair a laundry machine, but it's mostly orthogonal to attraction. People want to believe that what they say makes them attractive, because they're desparate for control.
In my experience, muscle works in a similar way to height in that it helps you stand out and gives you a slight edge over others. Even so the effect is definitely a lot less significant than height itself. Just do it for yourself and think of the girls as a byproduct of your hard work.
As far as strictly physical attractiveness goes, you may be right about height. But, a way above average physique tells people you have the drive, dedication, and consistency to meet goals. Hell, I think it even helps in job interviews for that reason. So, pound-for-pound, I think physique is more attractive than height.
@@Juneof1944 For men. If women cared about muscles, we'd see more hot girls with jacked guys but you don't. Guys with status in their social group get the highest amount of good looking women and it's not even close
Thank you for speaking some sense on this!! As a married guy with kids, most of my friends are married guys and gals with kids. None of these guys are adonises. They’re just normal guys married to normal women who get on with each other. They’re nice blokes and theyre fun to be around. That’s it. The internets obsession with guys trying to game the system is surely just the result of under or over sexed teenagers with a platform, right? Obsessing over this stuff is just creepy. Train because it’s fun. And when it comes to dating… just be more normal! 😂
Sensible comment from a creator with sensible content. Any time I happen to look at some weird redpill content talking about ranking people on a number scale, purely discussing looks and stuff like how much money people make, I just feel complete cognitive dissonance. I really don't understand how people (young men mostly) fall into this mindset that you cannot find a partner or a date if you aren't jacked and make six figures etc., just go outside and look at any random couple. It's just normal people like you said. Obviously you cannot attract superficial "10s" with a completely different lifestyle to you and why would you even want to? Chances are, if you're watching this type of content, that you're most likely pretty average yourself and are scared to approach the opposite gender to begin with, you're looking at it completely wrong and falling into a world of toxicity and becoming extremely cynical. You'll become miserable and getting rid of that mindset should be your first priority since you'll end up making yourself even less approachable. Just legitimately focus on your health physically and mentally and don't fall for the guru stuff online, they're giving "advice" for monetary reasons while your well-being simply doesn't matter to them.
Let me just say this, my success with women absolutely skyrocketed after taking lifting seriously for a few years. At this point, I have a great physique, better than the average lifter (but I don’t look like I’m juicing, most women don’t like TOO much muscle. There is a great natty achievable balance). I promise, girls notice. Just the other day, I ran into a girl who never would have given me the time of day 5 years ago. There was an instant, mutual attraction. Guess what.. we’re grabbing a drink together in a few days. If you’re an average guy, building a natural, muscular frame will absolutely bump you up a few points on the scale and increase your success with women.
In my experience, when I used to be in much better shape and have some veins popping in my forearms chicks used to check me out and it was easier to have girls approach me. But after that you need to have personality and offer more than just gains. I’m not as in good shape as I used to be, but it definitely helped boost my self esteem and confidence. Which is what girls find most attractive, imo.
@@anishphi1 That's complete bullshit. Being attractive makes you confident, not the other way around. Being confident without being attractive just makes you look like a sad idiot.
What they say in interviews, what surveys say, does not often match real life. Women are slayed by big muscle hyper masculine men if it is symmetrical & comes in a presentable package. "It doesn't matter" "looks arent everything" we all hear this. I was slim & a bodybuilder, competitive triathlete teens & twenties. Did me no good with women, so i believed it didnt matter. But i got gym bro fit in my 50's, am bigger & strongest i've ever been. I grew a big bushy beard for the hypermasculine look, & dress well. Women now gawk, stare & cold approach me. It happens so often it no longer surprises me. They are sold on the visual alone. Its mostly women in their 20's fawning over me. Looks are all they care about if you've got it. Its not all or most, but this never happened once in my youth. Being big, muscular, confident in your speech & movement, these are all things within your control you can earn & do them. You can dress well while the others wear flip flops & gray sweatpants. Some say but you have to have money, i meet these women doing one of the lowest paid jobs in society, food delivery. They absolutely know i have no money because no one but the desperate does this job. But they are still highly attracted. So you have control over this aspect of yourself, you can build a body & image that women not only find attractive but are willing to cold approach for your time. It takes years of work for most lifting to get here, which is why most men won't do it
Extraordinarily good real talk. You what gets you women? Being able to walk up to them and have a conversation like a normal human being. Not scripted, not gimmicky, not like you need it to get anywhere, but curious and courages. Because THAT is a huge sign for strong health. For you to be able to do that, you have to have your shit together.
Nope. If a woman isn't into you before you've opened your mouth, you shouldn't even try. Trying to talk your way into becoming attractive is just a nonstop source of anxiety.
@@MrCmon113Problem with you is assuming that you should attract every woman. That is not how the world works - instead of rotting in your room go outside and experience, fail, learn, be smarter, and don’t make the same mistake twice.
I'm a woman and I agree with you 100%. I'm really, really into fitness, so yes personally I'm not as attracted to men who aren't also into fitness (because of the whole compatibility thing), but you hit the nail on the head. Most of the guys at my gym (who are actually regulars) are great on the physique front, at that point it comes down to personality, do they have a nice face, etc. I'm married but just what I've observed. Dad bods are completely unattractive, and I'm not going to lie about it.
They are not attractive to you but a lot of women like it and prefers it to shredded abs. Like some guys love chubby girls, even some shredded muscular guys.
@@spacepirate9882 Sounds like copium to me . And most men who like "chubby" girls are on the unattractive themselves in general, so they artificially lower their standards because they think that they are not that attractive to score a very attractive girl in the first place
@@rae5425 Lol. There's a lot of chubby pornstars who makes millions on views on each of their videos, do you think that's because people want to date them or they think that they are not looking good enough to watch fit pornstars? No, everybody has is own taste based on their culture.
I used to be anatomy-textbook ripped, and while most women may not like that, a lot of the ones who do, really really do. The same thing goes for very long hair, which I have had off and on over a lifetime. If you look "normal" and somewhat attractive, you may have a better chance on average with a randomly-chosen women, but you're unlikely to find that extreme attraction/curiosity, and it's a different experience.
I totally agree with you. But what you said is literally that you want a woman who loves you for what you really are instead of trying to be someone who you think she would love you to be. I'm also shredded AF and sport long hair with colors changing with the season. Luckily I'm only attracted to women who tend to like shredded (cyber)punks.
Fr lol. I'm getting to the same boat have long ass hair and getting pretty buff. Definitely less attention from average girls but girls who fw me straight up walk up and tell me lol. Too bad I'm socially awkward 😭😭😭
Hey Geoffrey, really like your videos, you were one of the fitness influencers that helped during my fitness journey, mainly on the part of experimenting during workouts, because of this i learned alot about bodybuilding. About the video, i think you really get it on point, one tip i would give to other guys is taking care on what are you consuming on social media, it really can ruin you idea of reality with all those redpill and "ick" content, it's really important to go out and meet new people. (Sorry for the bad english, i am not a native english speaker)
Women want a man bigger than they are so they feel feminine. I don't think you need to be jacked, you just need to make them feel petite. When I was younger I had girls flirting with me, checking me out, etc. and I was pretty skinny. But I was tall and had a good shoulder-to-waist ratio, so maybe it's just about having a nice shape rather than overall muscle development.
If money is a muscle, then yes. And there is one appendage that actually matters. And your status muscle really helps. Dr., famous UA-camr, fire fighter. Certain statuses make huge differences.
The reality of dating is that MOST people date within their own circles and "levels." You date people at your job or friends usually and most of the time, you are within the same range of looks as your partner. Sometimes there are slight exceptions when people are really smart, charming, funny, or wealthy, they may have partners that are better looking, but most people just date the same tier of people. At the end of the day, muscles will give you an advantage but so does any positive trait. It's just that teaching the average person how to gain muscle is a lot easier than teaching people how to be funny and charming. If you want to give yourself a boost in the dating market, then do everything (physical and not) to increase those odds.
Agree with everything in this video. One small caveat is if you like gym girls, they tend to like a little more muscle than your average woman which makes sense because it's a common interest.
Over the decades I have been a big, massive bulky guy who lifted heavy and has the stretch marks to prove it. Then I totally changed my approach to working out and became lean, ripped and "aesthetic" (Think Greek sculpture). In my experience, most women seem to be extremely attracted to ripped abs, not overall massive muscular size. After the abs, I find that women like a firm, round butt. I've found this from comments from white, black, hispanic, Asian women of all ages (so it seems pretty universal).
Women love muscles but they don't always love muscular guys, some meat heads make it way too much of their personality and use it as a crutch when interacting with women. My personal experience was that my wife fell in love with my personality, but it was obvious after I gained 25 pounds of muscle (this was about 8 years into our relationship) her attraction to me skyrocketed. Physical appearance usually isn't the primary driver of attraction for women, but having muscles to compliment your personality and confidence is usually a huge bonus and will give you a leg up on your peers.
Muscle isn’t for women. Muscle is for us. Money, and the appearance of having it is for women. With all that said, don’t be fat. Women do like runner/swimmer bodies. In fact, most like this physique much more than bodybuilder style physique.
When i see a guy with muscle what i find impressive is ik the grinding it took to get there because I'm right there with him especially when i can tell they are natural.
Keep in mind that their definition of a dad bod is completely different, when they say "i love a man with a dad bod", in their mind they're thinking about Henry Cavill from The Witcher or Jason Momoa, same thing applies for anything "unpopular" really, like I like nerds, what they really mean is I like an attractive guy who's also a nerd
So I've seen this before where people show women pictures of oiled up posing bodybuilders and ask if they find them attractive, and I think there's a glaring error in that methodology. I think that most women (and people) find the idea of a bodybuilding show off-putting. If the only image you have of a guy is of him dehydrated and spray tanned in a banana hammock, you're likely to perceive him as vain and somewhat alien. It's the costume of bodybuilder that is most unattractive. Put Chris bumsteads physique (minus the extreme spray tan and with a more casual pose) in a firefighter calendar and he will be much more broadly appealing. There's also a strong social stigma against women appearing to care too much about a man's appearance. For every girl that flaunts her 6' dating cutoff there is another who proudly looks down on "normies" for caring about their partners' looks. The first girl probably still dates guys below 6' occasionally and the second girl probably deep down does care about looks more than she admits, but when a stranger puts a camera in your face and asks how you feel, most people give the safe answer. The safe answer is "I like guys for their personality".
Formerly redpilled 25-year-old here. Have trained on/off for about a year and a half now. Was motivated to start lifting after a messy breakup and a lifetime of rejections. I initially started lifting as heavy as I could. My muscles were sore, I made little progress and I hated myself the whole way through. I've taken up two things that have made me rethink my fitness journey- calisthenics and martial arts. I won't build up as much muscle as pure weightlifting, but I've begun to view calisthenics and my karate + BJJ classes as hobbies. It made my fitness journey way more motivating and enjoyable. So what if I never achieve the "Chris Hemsworth physique"- I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would appreciate a guy that's lean, strong, flexible and looking like he could kick the air out of a thug twice his size. The past 2 months since my change in training style has been more transformational for me than the weightlifting ever was.
I don‘t know it it helps, but while I do think Chris Hemsworth has a great physique, it doesn’t mean that I can’t appreciate other physiques. I personally don’t like guys that lift but are out of breath after walking up a tiny hill. And in the end, you still need personality to make someone fall in love with you
Strength training will make both of those skills easier, just stop ego lifting and do steady progression with weights you can lift that are like 5 pounds less than what you can do 1 max reps with. Also, bulk up on fatty animal protein instead of cutting.
Sounds like you weren’t exactly training right by your own admission. It makes tad difference when you’re progressing… It’s like the studies they’ve done on mice that are allowed to exercise by their own will and those that are forced to. Same volumes, completely top down systemic difference in outcomes. The difference in progress is the difference in being the mouse that has a reason to lift and the other that just has to. At the very least add a stomachable amount of lifting and see if you can grow to appreciate it through sheer exposure. The upsides for your other endeavors will be there.
4:00 love what you put there. A lot of people that are chronically online and watch red pill youtubers have a really warped view of what women are actually like because they only get fed the most outrageous tiktok videos that aren't a good representation of the real world at all
Good video. As a woman (we are in fact people, yes) I do like some muscle in men. Not just because of the way it looks, but because it’s an indication that the guy has a healthy lifestyle similar to mine (I also lift weights). It also shows that they’re capable of putting effort into themselves and working hard, which I also appreciate 🤷♀ So it’s more about having similar lifestyles - people who love sports don’t usually have much in common with couch potatoes and vice versa. As for some people claiming women have high standards, I don’t quite get it. When I go outside, I see all kinds of couples: skinny, fat, muscular, old, young, you name it. Could it be that for a lot of people, looks are actually not the most important thing? 😁
Those standards are set by charlatans online to keep insecure guys watching and buying. Half these guys need to go to their local promenade/hangout spot and people watch. As you state, couples come in all combos and you'll virtually never see the hypothetical gigachad and gigastacy combo that they are told are the only ones who can date.
@@TheGreektrojan Totally agree. The problem is that these guys still want a super hot woman, no matter how they look themselves. Which means they're actually the ones with the high standards :)
@@TheGreektrojan Furthermore, most these guys has been hirt at some point by a girl (generally the type of girl you wouldn't want anyway). They then extrapolate a lot of conclusions from their experience. Charlatans and red pill promoters target these guys. I never sympathise with them even though you could make a case that they're a victim for marketing. This is because I went through that. I've been hurt multiple of times for reasons that are out of my control (geographical location, age,...). I became somewhat callous and more short-tempered as a person but I refuse to generalize any conclusion on women based on my unfortunate experiences.
@@TheGreektrojandata says otherwise, personal experience is a mite compared to the stats on dating and sex for men. Not black pill either, just not blind to reality.
The first priority is and should always be you!.. do not worry about anyone else get yourself well build muscles, do your thing and the right woman will come along..
I’ve been physically active on and off for most of my 65 year. I’ve started weight training again for myself and better health. My physical gains only show when I take my shirt off. That being said my female co- worker playfully touched my arm and shoulders and remarked “you have muscles “. I found out later from a male co-worker that female told other females. Now I get interested looks and arm squeezes.
@@Jim-yk9zw Yes, the world should implode if you did that to women, because there is clearly a difference in power dynamics between men and ladies. Also, there is a whole centuries old history (if not millenia old history) of women being oppressed by men just due to their sex. Plus, women can't generally harm men just by their physical strength. These are the reasons that women playfully touching men and staring at them is not seen as dangerous compared to when men do it to women. Men should understand this and show some restraint and consideration.
My current girlfriend could not give less of a shit about me lifting weights. Not that she hates it, but if I snapped my finger and lost all my muscle it wouldn’t make any difference to her. Last girlfriend it was basically a requirement. She worked out and was quite muscular herself, so at least she held herself to the same standard. So my definitely totally scientific answer is: Sometimes
Fit/Muscular Body + Good Hygiene + High intelligence + Good Character + Dedication/Devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ + Good Career = Highly attractive to women.. am i right? 😎
Funny fact is that the more attracted you are to a person's face the more plain they are which your eyes tells you is a good sign that they aren't suffering from sicknesses
While I wasn't part of the target audience for this one, I also couldn't stop watching it. I'm glad you put this out there for the young men that can benefit from it.
Women are very simple. Look fit(shows you have work ethic and discipline), have money(they will want to go on trips and experience things with you), and be yourself(women like men who are confident in themselves), you have all those you will find yourself the right woman.
I've been very skinny and I'm now at the "pretty obvious that I lift" stage, and not trying to humble brag but I'm decent looking. Whatever my body has looked like, the only compliments I've gotten were my hair, my smile, and personality traits like kindness and humor. Women care WAY less than you think. It might get you laid, but you'll still have to have a personality. It's like owning a supercar but only being able to drive it on a pothole infested school zone. The most important part about being fit isn't the look, it's that it shows that you take care of yourself imo. My advice : do things for YOURSELF, get fit and enjoy it, take care of yourself and improve yourself for no other reason than because you deserve it, that doesn't just mean physical appearance, but education, health, hygiene, emotional intelligence/kindness/empathy, and get yourself out there, do activities where you expand your social circle, and things will happen naturally.
I 100% notice men's physiques but would die before complimenting a man's body out loud. Never expect a woman to do that, we might not physically be capable of it. It doesn't mean we don't notice. Have you ever even seen that happen in real life?? I complimented a male friend on something (not his body, he has a killer body but god help me if I ever say anything about it) and he told me it was the first compliment he'd received in like a year. We have a lot going on in our heads that you'll never hear about lol.
Another issue with Dad Bods is that women don't know the difference between actual dad bods and a fit guy with a small layer of fat over the abs. I've seen videos where they said Chris Bumstead's offseason physique is a "Dad Bod".
Can't underestimate the face aesthetics for women, if a man has a defined jawline and high cheekbones he will be attractive regardless of his physique, and bonus points if he's got a decent amount of muscle. That's my experience at least, I've never been a big guy. I'm 5'11 185lbs, been working out for 7 years (still an intermediate unfortunately, because I don't eat enough) regardless... I think a lot of women would still like it were I over 200lbs of muscle, it's just that you don't see it so often so women COPE with "I dont like it!"
Personal experience: yes, women like muscles, everyday I deal with people, couples whatever and the looks that women give me even with their partner at her side is absurd (most of those dudes are outshape)
2:18 When Geoff said this, I fell off my chair in pure shock and astonishment. Even now I am having trouble fathoming what just came out of Geoff's mouth. In fact, not only did I fall off my chair, I am now writing this comment from the ICU. I am hospitalized from the trauma this realization has dealt me.
I knew I couldn't be the only man that this happened to. I dont know how I am going to recover from this. The entire paradigm that I have been using to navigate reality has been obliterated. Edit: I am now also in the ICU hooked up to a ventilator. It seems I am losing the will to live. I have only Geoff to blame. If you never hear from me again, it is because I have gone on to train with Jack Lalanne, John Meadows, Rich Pianna, Eugene Sandow, and of course ZYZZ, to hit PRs in that great Weightroom in the sky. Stay shredded, brahs. We're all gonna make it. Peace.
@@anonymousman4419 well sure but what happens when you become an adult and still have no (or dull) personality? I mean I can't even make friends, let alone attract a woman.
Self awareness, ability to be introspective, goals, your values, what you want in life, what is your craft, what do you like to do? I think life experiences can help develop your personality. When people say develop your personality I think it’s growing into yourself and having an understanding of who you are and what you want.
@@kristijan8518Personality can absolutely be developed. It's the same as lifting, your brain is a muscle and the more you step outside of your comfort zone and use it in ways you're not used to, the more it will develop, just like your muscles. Here's something to try. Go around and tell really bad jokes and then immediately follow the joke with, "Sorry, I have a bad personality and this is my way of trying to fit in." Take notes on how people reacted and then do it again. Not just to girls, try it out with guys and people you would never have romantic interests in. This will desensitize you to approaching people, which will build confidence and will eventually attract women.
doing heroin gives you optimal, pre-industrial cortisol tone and the demeanor of careless apex hunter, which women love. that's why all junkies got girlfriends. i don't recommend though since heroin destroys the body.
It definitely does depend on the woman. Some are capable of appreciating a strong natural physique. Though one of the drawbacks in modern times is that many women are users of birth control pills. This alters their hormones and consequently their minds, perception, and preference. They tend to actually abhor masculinity and a fair number of them are actually more attracted to feminine characteristics. So, men can make the mistake of believing that the reason women abhor them is because they aren't trying hard enough on improving their physiques. When in reality women need to be worked on.
Pretty lean and pretty jacked is the sweet spot for women finding you objectively desirable. Dad bod is the sweet spot for actually getting a gf, assuming you can act feminine enough.
Heyo, this is a lovely video. Its one of my favorite topics, and I think you've explained it really well. The concept of diminishing returns especially is something that is so valuable to understand. Just to add to the conversation, what's really cool too is that not only does your physique as a whole follows this principle but also individual muscle groups. On top of that, your actual bone structure, muscle shape, baseline muscle mass all have a huge impact on where you start off on the curve. IMO, something like quads will hit diminishing returns super quick for many people. For some people, they literally don't even need to train them, maybe do some sports and they have crazy aesthetic legs. This is especially the case for shorter people with naturally stockier and/or thicker limbs. Delts, on the other hand for most people IMO, can be trained for years and still not hit that aesthetic plateau. Maybe an exception would be someone with naturally very broad shoulders. They might hit diminishing returns sooner, because they already have a pretty good shoulder to waist ratio. Moreover, some parts of the body just have more importance than others when it comes to physical attractiveness. Although, all your attributes might follow their own diminishing returns curve, and each of them has a "peak" or platuea, some features are just far more important than others. Some peaks are much more valuable than others. I mean think of facial aesthetics lol! Many lifters really would be better off focusing on their facial hair, getting lean, a hairstyle that suits their face shape. But in terms of physique, A really aesthetic upper body with an underdeveloped skinny lower body still looks generally attractive, although certainly not ideal. However a well developed lower body and skinny underdeveloped upper body looks pretty bad, its barely better then an untrained body. You can take spinal erectors from completely invisible to their aesthetic "Peak" and most people wouldn't care, and its not a tiny muscle group! Take a super skinny "invisible" neck, delts, or even forearms and grow any of them to their peak and it would be instantly noticeable, and have a much bigger impact. I also think this is why many lifters stop seeing aesthetic improvements. Many recreational lifters want to look better or be more attractive yet they keep focusing on legs, they build lats way past the point of diminishing returns and very often aren't very good at growing their side delts which actually generally has the biggest impact for most people. On top of that, lots of people also have skinny necks and don't work their neck. So I also think you can lift in a way that specifically doesn't improve your attractiveness very much. Generally powerlifting focused routines just hit diminishing returns and with some people can even make you look WORSE after a certain point. Short legs will look even SHORTER when they are super bulked up, even as a natural. Finally, physical attractiveness as a whole is one part of attraction, just like you mentioned, and again, the concept of diminishing returns comes into play. Sometimes people can really start to think that looks is everything and even feel gaslit lol. And then others really believe that looks don't matter at all! Its never affected them in life. And the truth is both are true. When you are really physically unattractive, Think; super out of shape, aggressively ugly, awful hair/skin, very sickly, it'll matter A LOT. It'll have a very significant effect. It'll also feel like looks are the only thing that matters! But when you start to look decent it really starts to matter less and less, and eventually when you're good looking enough it "doesn't matter anymore". Other qualities start to matter. So yes, both are actually true, it just depends on your goals and where you are at in life. Also, to end this, you DON'T have to be attractive. You don't have to" make the most" of your looks. Its totally up to you, and its actually totally fine to live a life where you completely unattractive, or just average looking. We all eventually become unattractive anyways, its called getting old lol. If you don't really care then you don't care! It's good to understand that looks will affect you in some aspects of life, to understand what matters a lot with looks and what doesn't, but also to know that its not an important quality in MANY MANY aspects of life. Who cares how you look if you're just trying to be a chess grandmaster, or a scientist? Really doesn't matter at all. But if you're interested in meeting lots of women/short term dating? Interested in being a model, an actor or maybe working in the service industry? Then it certainly DOES matter! It matters in long-term dating as well of course but not as much as when you're trying just sleep with lots of women.
See I’m naturally lean and people would only know I work out if I was topless so in my experience I haven’t really noticed any extra attention from the opposite sex, but I do feel more comfortable in my own skin as a result from the weight lifting
I noticed you could make you beard look more sharp by shaving a cheek line. Of course only if you're looking for a sharper beard. Great video by the way
In my experience, gym girls are attracted to guys with muscles. Average girls who dont hit the gym like muscles on a guy, but just like slightly more muscular than your average joe. As long as you aren’t a slob, you can pretty much get any girl you want if you are funny and confident.
I think male tend to think physique matters more than it does, because for the males it matters a lot. But for females, it has a relatively low importance, and it matters more in the negative. Namely, if you are ugly and severely out of shape that`s a problem, but once you are at least ok, you have diminishing returns being more physically attractive and other things matters much more, like social status, money and charisma.
I think the point being, if you based your entirety and worth around a single aspect, then you'll find your mileage with any partner to be very limited.
unless you are 6ft 4 or above with chiseled jawline blonde hair and blue eyes Manlet can get limb lengthening with jawline surgery and hair styling but how much that is the question
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Hey daddy how attractive do you think my body type is. I am a 553 pound obese male, WHO IS HEALTHY BTW!!! Do you think I could ever get some p####??? 🧐
Thanks for mansplaining what women want 😂
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@@GVSYou're the MAN for that! Thanks!
@@gl7257 I think the video is more an attempt at redirection. Male bodybuilder constantly mirrin' themselves in the mirror, or judging other guys physiques, but hiding it under the guise of 'making themselves attractive to women'. Sad really.
I started going to the gym for the girls, stayed for the body dysmorphia.
This is the truth!!! 😂😂😂
It is amazing how you really don’t know what your body looks like when you look at yourself.
I was really lean and muscular in my 20s without any effort (I’m still muscular and decently lean). I was looking back at progress photos on my phone the other day and holy shit I was photo shoot ready diced to the socks and I never thought or saw by body as that when I was in the moment.
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idk bruvs. People say you start going to the gym and you start getting more body dysmorphia?
Ever since I started lifting, my body dysmorphia goes down, directly proportional to how much muscles I put it. Like, I started at 16 BMI, look around like that guy at 4:35. I went from that to 22 BMI atm.
concratulations you are a moron all the way though
My takeaway is that women don’t like unnaturally large physiques. The keyword is unnatural. Just like most guys tend to look at women with unnatural looking boob jobs, bbls, lip filler, etc negatively for long term relationships. These things can be disregarded quickly in the heat of the moment, under the influence, at a party or bar or whatever, and some people do of course fetishize them.
Bottom line is you will probably never be *too jacked* training naturally.
Yeah whether it's that super crazy steroid bodybuilder physique or those disturbingly huge boobs it's still the same concept the person stops looking human anymore and it triggers our natural fear instincts it becomes creepy uncanny valley body horror! I think sometimes guys that get that obsessed with muscle are kind of delusional and not helped by living in those echo chamber communities where everybody's obsessed and delusional so it becomes normalized and they don't realize how freakish it can looks to outsiders I think meany of them are mentally ill and it's really sad society condones it reminds me of eating disorder communities where everybody convinces each other bones look good teen girls telling each other that guys like a thigh gap but outsiders are horrified by how sickly underweight they look it's so easy to get hyper focused on details and lose perspective I think most people need to analyze why they're doing something and make sure it's for the right reasons and it's actually a contributing positively to their lives and not becoming a problem!
@@raymondmurdock8603 Nothing to add, just want to say I appreciate these takes.
@@raymondmurdock8603Damn, that was all a single sentence.
I have been saying this for years. I have never heard a girl say of a man that’s natural and adequately lean “he’s too big”.
Just don’t be a slob… and if you can fill out a shirt that is proportional to you (not 2 sizes too small) women find that much more attractive than no clothes at all or less fabric to try and show off.
In my experience, yes. But it doesn’t matter because muscle didn’t help me overcome my fear of girls.
True. I think women find self confidence attractive.
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@@LaVideNoir418 Do a backflip, and catch yourself upside down, and then walk away on your arms
@@LaVideNoir418 Correct. Simply do a 360 and walk away.
same im fucking terrified of women
If you ask most women to describe dad bod they'll show you a picture of Henry Cavill as Superman.
I’ve seen girls claiming off season cbum is a dad bod. Insane
The body of a dad from the 60s who is a miner.
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I think "dad bod" to most women means "I used to be ripped but now I just have a little more fat to go with it"
The thing about the "dad bods" is, that there's not even a consensus about what a dad bod really is. I saw a video where some girls called fucking cbum on a bulk a "dad bod". I think when women say they like dad bods, they mostly mean a guy that has a little higher body fat but WITH muscle and not just a fat guy who clearly doesn't exercise
Yeah I agree. I think when women say dad bods it’s 15-25% with muscle of course. Like a bulky guy.
As a woman that's exactly what it means every girl I've talked to thinks dad bod is a well build guy without a sharp six pack, not a guy with a beer belly 😂
Also how does being dad have anything in common with it? It anything being dad will make you loose weight because of all that stress and not having time
@@watsonkushmaster3067 No clue why it's called "dad bod". It should be referred to as bear mode or something lol
@@watsonkushmaster3067 I think the idea is a guy who was a ripped high school football player, gets married and has kids. Still trains semi-frequently when he has time but indulges in a bit more pizza and beer than he used to. The key thing here is that he's still more muscular than the average guy. He just has higher bf% too (so instead of 12-14 maybe like 18-20).
All i know is my personal experience; Ive always been an observant person, sometimes to a detrimental degree. I grew up very skinny, but enjoyed sports and was always athletic. Never got much attention from girls/women for my physique and honestly in general.
Started lifting later than most (26) and every year since then has been better than the last in terms of attention from the opposite gender. From subtle looks and signs of interest, to people treating me differently in public (men and women) like holding the door, smiling, looking in my direction, saying hello, members of the service industry being friendlier etc.
Is it because of increased confidence, less depression and better posture that is a byproduct of lifting? No doubt it plays a role. But i wouldn't have them without the physique changes, so i argue its a moot point.
My personal life has been on an upswing ever since i started consistently going to the gym, and im grateful to the noble natties for their information library and community, as well as myself for not stopping even when major injuries and life changing circumstances have impacted my training.
Keep lifting gents, for a rising tide raises all ships.
You have to keep up the progress though and see where things drop off again. Chances are at this point your "pretty jacked" for a normal guy, but what happens when your traps touch your ears? When your thighs touch like a chubby girl? When you are so jacked you barely look human anymore.... at what point are the girls repelled?? Science demands you find out!
You're also getting older. Women tend to like men who are a few years older than themselves. You're maturing, and women are noticing. Keep it up!
hear hear
A lot of things can give you confidence and happiness dear sir
Yup. Agree. Most men get a bit more attention from women as they age from their mid 20s to around, whether or not they put on any significant muscle in the gym.@@boundaryconditions1119
The german bodybuilder Markus Rühl once said, the more women find my physique disgusting, the more i knew iam making progress😂.
That's such a Markus thing to say, as he's sipping a disgusting tuna shake, lol
That's a badass gym bro thing to say 😂
Tuna+abbelschorle
Might as well let himself go, Jabba the Hut style, and get same reaction 😆. Other than that, sounds like motto for any solosexual to live by 🤣
Woman here! I’m 34 and recently started dating again. It’s a huge turn on when men work out their shoulders and arms. Also, I notice when men have nice butts it turns me on. My dating pool had gotten older, some men really loose it they get the belly and the flat butt. It’s a turn off. So please keep lifting!! Most of us really appreciate shoulders arms and butt. I notice those things and it’s such a turn on when a man takes care of himself.
I guess we need too work on those glutes 😂💪🏾
The type of man that you find attractive is looking for younger girls.
A woman in her mid 30s is the equivalent of a unfit man.
Dont let them fool you.
If those guys you find sexy are dating you, be sure that they will pump and dump you.
Dont fall for physical attractiveness. This type of guy dont take you seriously.
You should date that average dude with belly and without muscles.
Thank you for being honest!
Thanks grandma
There are women who say they want a dad bod but it’s like Chris Bumstead’s body in an off season.
Obviously looking fit is never going to hurt, but you need more than muscle to pull a girl.
I can literally just pull her with the muscles in my arms. What are you talking about??
Hell i know dudes who aren't muscular who pull. You can't lift your way out of bad social skills. Unless you develop your social skills by making friends at the gym. That could work
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“It’s okay to lie to women. They’re not people like us” ~ Peter Griffin
Personal experience story: When I began dating my wife I was a pencil neck jabroni. Didn’t stop her from falling in love with a doofus (me), and marrying said doofus. I got the skinny fat Dad bod during shutdown and was abruptly motivated to get in shape. Later did a couple of bulks and cuts to what is now a new body that my wife enjoys way more than my old self. Now on to my point; my wife is a smoke show. She could legit be a part time model or an air hostess from the 60’s. For some reason she fell for a not very muscular version of me, and later I met my muscle building potential and I still push myself to grow each year. I believe this is a factor in sustainable relationships. Continuing to develop for your significant other using them as fuel to spark change.
are you 6 foot 4 or above and do you happen to have blue eyes??
Also is your wife Caucasian ??
I know it is a fucked up question but i gotta know to match some patterns in my monkey brain
@@RazorRamonMachismo I’m seriously happy you asked! Without getting too much into personal info (don’t want identity theft)…jk I’m always too personal. 5’9, hazel eyes and totally ‘average’. I won’t say anything more about my wife personally on the internet other than she is an 11/10. Personality seriously goes a long way fellas. Muscle definitely helps for long term lovin though. Also, my children get hyped when I do pull-ups with them holding onto me. Super fun.
@@recreationalliftingyou just broke his blackpill mindset
@@MC-nt7jz lulz, I can honestly understand why people need to ask those questions though. Transparency is lacking in the world and when people learn that an average guy like me can live the kind of life he does it helps the mindset. Just takes a lot of self development and time.
@@recreationalliftingThat is so optimal! I want to be that dad doing pullups with his kids hanging off or curling his kids!
Just saying thank you for the years you’ve put out quality info sir. 💪
Appreciate the support, going above and beyond!
I liked the end of your video today when you said, "Lift for you!". I've been chunky/overweight most of my life. I'm 64 now, so I have a granddad rather than a dad bod! I started working out and trying to eat a better diet four years ago. I'm still overweight for my height, but the muscle I've packed on me is more than I've ever had, so I'm far from disappointed with my results. Trying to stick with it so I can develop better definition in the coming years. I have learned that there aren't very many of my contemporaries who work out or exercise at all, and about the only person who cares about how I look, is me! I think a person's wit and winning personality go a long way in attracting women (or men) to one's dating pool. Thanks for your perspective on this. 👍🏻💪🏻
If you're 64, why are you listening to this clueless guy? Listen to Dan John. He's an expert of building size and losing weight for old geezers like you.
Most women appreciate when a guy is physically fit and takes care of himself, but not to an extreme level like a bodybuilder. In my experience, intelligence, a good personality, confidence (not arrogance), a good work ethic, and general physical fitness and good health are some of the most attractive characteristics that women look for in a guy.....but if you're after attention from lots of dudes in and out of the gym, then by all means get massive like a bodybuilder. 💪
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I'd think a natural bodybuilder is still attractive to women
Don’t forget face lol, let’s be real
I mean whenever i see people clarifying that you shouldn't look like a bodybuilder i find it weird because who the hell can even look like a bodybuilder even if they tried and with gear assistance too 😂😂
Face and height, that's it
“The dad bod trend is worse than fucking Ebola” - Dom Mazetti
Doing what to ebola? 😱
A dad bod looks good when it's Jon Hamm, Will Smith, or Leo DiCaprio. But another thing to note: the individuals with the dad bod in that situation are Jon Hamm, Will Smith, & Leo DiCaprio
WOW. Best and most balanced talk I've heard on this subject!
9 years into the gym, and yes women like physically fit men, not just because it looks good but because it shows them what kind of a men you are. It's more about the grind/huscle/dedication that women love, same applies if you started at the bottom in school and you end up as a wealthy business man, it's something alot of man don't want or if they do not achieve.And what I also want to mention is that other men will notice too, some will be jealous and hate you with no reason and others will see you as a role model, respect you more than they used to and sometimes I believe being physically fit also helps in job interviews haha. Because my recent boss was amazed by my physique when I was having a job interview with him, told me that he used to train alot of kickboxing in his youth and we both instantly had a great connection. Obviously that effect hits hard when you boss is a fitness freak too, but if not they will still appreciate your dedication to fitness, thats something they want you to have for their job I guess.
Based on my personal experience, women mostly don't care about muscles on a guy and muscular physique doesn't help you at job interviews in any way. Majority of people just don't seem to care. Only people who care are other dudes who go to the gym.
Face and height are much more important for attracting women than muscular physique. I'm pretty sure that 99.5% of women would say that Sean O'Pry or Marlon Brando are more attractive than any muscular guy with average face.
Bunch of BS. When are we going to come to terms with the reality that women enjoy a man with a good body too, purely for what it looks like? There are loads of scumbag losers on roids with decent physiques and women respond all the same.
Women like a good talker, and a good listener with a sense of humor. Muscle is to get noticed.
put yourself in the woman shoes, do you want somebody you can actually relate to? or a sculpture you can look at.
@@tensevo how long will you look at a sculpture 5min? after that you need talking
Nope, what you say is completely irrelevant.
Ask yourself the following: Would you want to shag an ugly chick, that's super funny and a good listener? Nope.
Why do you think it's different for women. It's good to be a good listener and stuff, just like it's good to be able to buy groceries cheaply or repair a laundry machine, but it's mostly orthogonal to attraction. People want to believe that what they say makes them attractive, because they're desparate for control.
Yeah they like that in an attractive guy, there is no jestermaxxing for your face and flabby body.
Cope is real with this one lmaooo
In my experience, muscle works in a similar way to height in that it helps you stand out and gives you a slight edge over others. Even so the effect is definitely a lot less significant than height itself. Just do it for yourself and think of the girls as a byproduct of your hard work.
As far as strictly physical attractiveness goes, you may be right about height. But, a way above average physique tells people you have the drive, dedication, and consistency to meet goals. Hell, I think it even helps in job interviews for that reason. So, pound-for-pound, I think physique is more attractive than height.
bro he literally said she would go away if you get fat hence to keep her you keep lifting acc to GVS lmao
This is the right answer
Face and height on equal standing. Then being lean and then physique.
@@Juneof1944 For men. If women cared about muscles, we'd see more hot girls with jacked guys but you don't. Guys with status in their social group get the highest amount of good looking women and it's not even close
Thank you for speaking some sense on this!! As a married guy with kids, most of my friends are married guys and gals with kids. None of these guys are adonises. They’re just normal guys married to normal women who get on with each other. They’re nice blokes and theyre fun to be around. That’s it.
The internets obsession with guys trying to game the system is surely just the result of under or over sexed teenagers with a platform, right? Obsessing over this stuff is just creepy.
Train because it’s fun. And when it comes to dating… just be more normal! 😂
The thing is, they dont want to be married and have kids.
cool channel too bioneer :)
Sensible comment from a creator with sensible content. Any time I happen to look at some weird redpill content talking about ranking people on a number scale, purely discussing looks and stuff like how much money people make, I just feel complete cognitive dissonance. I really don't understand how people (young men mostly) fall into this mindset that you cannot find a partner or a date if you aren't jacked and make six figures etc., just go outside and look at any random couple. It's just normal people like you said. Obviously you cannot attract superficial "10s" with a completely different lifestyle to you and why would you even want to? Chances are, if you're watching this type of content, that you're most likely pretty average yourself and are scared to approach the opposite gender to begin with, you're looking at it completely wrong and falling into a world of toxicity and becoming extremely cynical. You'll become miserable and getting rid of that mindset should be your first priority since you'll end up making yourself even less approachable.
Just legitimately focus on your health physically and mentally and don't fall for the guru stuff online, they're giving "advice" for monetary reasons while your well-being simply doesn't matter to them.
No.
It's bcs we reproduce sexually.
It's not a coincidence that you found a woman and THEN had kids, rather than the other way around.
Let me just say this, my success with women absolutely skyrocketed after taking lifting seriously for a few years. At this point, I have a great physique, better than the average lifter (but I don’t look like I’m juicing, most women don’t like TOO much muscle. There is a great natty achievable balance). I promise, girls notice.
Just the other day, I ran into a girl who never would have given me the time of day 5 years ago. There was an instant, mutual attraction. Guess what.. we’re grabbing a drink together in a few days.
If you’re an average guy, building a natural, muscular frame will absolutely bump you up a few points on the scale and increase your success with women.
Congrats bro! 👊
you go King
Stop lying
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Same. I was fat years ago and the woman I have dated wouldn't have even looked at me back then. A decent amount of muscle will do wonders.
In my experience, when I used to be in much better shape and have some veins popping in my forearms chicks used to check me out and it was easier to have girls approach me. But after that you need to have personality and offer more than just gains. I’m not as in good shape as I used to be, but it definitely helped boost my self esteem and confidence. Which is what girls find most attractive, imo.
They say confidence is the best aphrodisiac
@@anishphi1 That's complete bullshit. Being attractive makes you confident, not the other way around. Being confident without being attractive just makes you look like a sad idiot.
Incredible charts, possibly my favourite video of yours yet purely because of them
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What they say in interviews, what surveys say, does not often match real life. Women are slayed by big muscle hyper masculine men if it is symmetrical & comes in a presentable package. "It doesn't matter" "looks arent everything" we all hear this. I was slim & a bodybuilder, competitive triathlete teens & twenties. Did me no good with women, so i believed it didnt matter. But i got gym bro fit in my 50's, am bigger & strongest i've ever been. I grew a big bushy beard for the hypermasculine look, & dress well. Women now gawk, stare & cold approach me. It happens so often it no longer surprises me. They are sold on the visual alone. Its mostly women in their 20's fawning over me. Looks are all they care about if you've got it. Its not all or most, but this never happened once in my youth. Being big, muscular, confident in your speech & movement, these are all things within your control you can earn & do them. You can dress well while the others wear flip flops & gray sweatpants. Some say but you have to have money, i meet these women doing one of the lowest paid jobs in society, food delivery. They absolutely know i have no money because no one but the desperate does this job. But they are still highly attracted. So you have control over this aspect of yourself, you can build a body & image that women not only find attractive but are willing to cold approach for your time. It takes years of work for most lifting to get here, which is why most men won't do it
Geoffrey went to the barber and asked for the “bomb just went off in my face” cut
Extraordinarily good real talk.
You what gets you women? Being able to walk up to them and have a conversation like a normal human being. Not scripted, not gimmicky, not like you need it to get anywhere, but curious and courages. Because THAT is a huge sign for strong health. For you to be able to do that, you have to have your shit together.
Ahh man do I have to have my shit together just to invite someone to be part of it? Wait.. That actually makes sense... what do you know😄
Nope.
If a woman isn't into you before you've opened your mouth, you shouldn't even try. Trying to talk your way into becoming attractive is just a nonstop source of anxiety.
@@MrCmon113correct, this advice works for 6.5+ , lower end appealing to a niche.
we got two quitters in the replies
@@MrCmon113Problem with you is assuming that you should attract every woman. That is not how the world works - instead of rotting in your room go outside and experience, fail, learn, be smarter, and don’t make the same mistake twice.
I'm a woman and I agree with you 100%. I'm really, really into fitness, so yes personally I'm not as attracted to men who aren't also into fitness (because of the whole compatibility thing), but you hit the nail on the head. Most of the guys at my gym (who are actually regulars) are great on the physique front, at that point it comes down to personality, do they have a nice face, etc. I'm married but just what I've observed.
Dad bods are completely unattractive, and I'm not going to lie about it.
They are not attractive to you but a lot of women like it and prefers it to shredded abs. Like some guys love chubby girls, even some shredded muscular guys.
@@spacepirate9882 sure, I guess, I can only speak for myself. Personally I think it looks sloppy and like they don't take care of themselves.
@@spacepirate9882Yeah but I think on a woman body fat can signal fertility so it's not the same as a man.
@@spacepirate9882 Sounds like copium to me . And most men who like "chubby" girls are on the unattractive themselves in general, so they artificially lower their standards because they think that they are not that attractive to score a very attractive girl in the first place
@@rae5425 Lol. There's a lot of chubby pornstars who makes millions on views on each of their videos, do you think that's because people want to date them or they think that they are not looking good enough to watch fit pornstars?
No, everybody has is own taste based on their culture.
Absolutely right Jeff on every point! And ultimately staying in shape should be done for yourself as no woman is more worthy than you 💪💪
I used to be anatomy-textbook ripped, and while most women may not like that, a lot of the ones who do, really really do. The same thing goes for very long hair, which I have had off and on over a lifetime. If you look "normal" and somewhat attractive, you may have a better chance on average with a randomly-chosen women, but you're unlikely to find that extreme attraction/curiosity, and it's a different experience.
Yeah plus even as far as "beauty" or handsomeness for a guy.. there is unconventional beauty and there is conventional.
I totally agree with you. But what you said is literally that you want a woman who loves you for what you really are instead of trying to be someone who you think she would love you to be. I'm also shredded AF and sport long hair with colors changing with the season. Luckily I'm only attracted to women who tend to like shredded (cyber)punks.
@@ScytherOnSpree Nah, not everyone's hair length or body fat percentage is a personal statement.
Fr lol. I'm getting to the same boat have long ass hair and getting pretty buff. Definitely less attention from average girls but girls who fw me straight up walk up and tell me lol.
Too bad I'm socially awkward 😭😭😭
The Chinese music at the end always gets me lol. Reminds me that GVS is my favorite Chinese influencer.
Spot on! Most women just want a lean healthy man.
Hey Geoffrey, really like your videos, you were one of the fitness influencers that helped during my fitness journey, mainly on the part of experimenting during workouts, because of this i learned alot about bodybuilding.
About the video, i think you really get it on point, one tip i would give to other guys is taking care on what are you consuming on social media, it really can ruin you idea of reality with all those redpill and "ick" content, it's really important to go out and meet new people. (Sorry for the bad english, i am not a native english speaker)
The more muscle I have, the more I can eat. It's all about the food! 😂
#Gluttony
“Tight ends” that’s one of your best Geoff
Humble reminder that we are still waiting for you to drop that abs video. But no rush
#FrFr
That bit of status and men sizing you up is so true. I'm bigger than most people here and it does inflate my ego I can't lie.
Women want a man bigger than they are so they feel feminine. I don't think you need to be jacked, you just need to make them feel petite. When I was younger I had girls flirting with me, checking me out, etc. and I was pretty skinny. But I was tall and had a good shoulder-to-waist ratio, so maybe it's just about having a nice shape rather than overall muscle development.
Exactly. And a good face too. Muscles doesn't matter. Its the bones.
If money is a muscle, then yes. And there is one appendage that actually matters. And your status muscle really helps. Dr., famous UA-camr, fire fighter. Certain statuses make huge differences.
The reality of dating is that MOST people date within their own circles and "levels." You date people at your job or friends usually and most of the time, you are within the same range of looks as your partner. Sometimes there are slight exceptions when people are really smart, charming, funny, or wealthy, they may have partners that are better looking, but most people just date the same tier of people. At the end of the day, muscles will give you an advantage but so does any positive trait. It's just that teaching the average person how to gain muscle is a lot easier than teaching people how to be funny and charming. If you want to give yourself a boost in the dating market, then do everything (physical and not) to increase those odds.
Agree with everything in this video. One small caveat is if you like gym girls, they tend to like a little more muscle than your average woman which makes sense because it's a common interest.
Over the decades I have been a big, massive bulky guy who lifted heavy and has the stretch marks to prove it. Then I totally changed my approach to working out and became lean, ripped and "aesthetic" (Think Greek sculpture). In my experience, most women seem to be extremely attracted to ripped abs, not overall massive muscular size. After the abs, I find that women like a firm, round butt. I've found this from comments from white, black, hispanic, Asian women of all ages (so it seems pretty universal).
You start lifting for her but eventually you lift for YOU
No you always lift for her, it’s biology I don’t care what you say
It’s cope to say you aren’t at least partially motivated by women
Women love muscles but they don't always love muscular guys, some meat heads make it way too much of their personality and use it as a crutch when interacting with women. My personal experience was that my wife fell in love with my personality, but it was obvious after I gained 25 pounds of muscle (this was about 8 years into our relationship) her attraction to me skyrocketed. Physical appearance usually isn't the primary driver of attraction for women, but having muscles to compliment your personality and confidence is usually a huge bonus and will give you a leg up on your peers.
Muscle isn’t for women. Muscle is for us. Money, and the appearance of having it is for women. With all that said, don’t be fat. Women do like runner/swimmer bodies. In fact, most like this physique much more than bodybuilder style physique.
It definitely helps in my experience. But if I'm being honest as a short guy at 5'7, being taller would help a lot more, that's for sure.
Finally!!!! A man who speaks the truth!!!!
First physique was Eddie Hall. Recognized it right away!
Ghey
I think that was a bait question
When i see a guy with muscle what i find impressive is ik the grinding it took to get there because I'm right there with him especially when i can tell they are natural.
Keep in mind that their definition of a dad bod is completely different, when they say "i love a man with a dad bod", in their mind they're thinking about Henry Cavill from The Witcher or Jason Momoa, same thing applies for anything "unpopular" really, like I like nerds, what they really mean is I like an attractive guy who's also a nerd
Yes. It increases metabolic rate and insulin sensitivity.
So I've seen this before where people show women pictures of oiled up posing bodybuilders and ask if they find them attractive, and I think there's a glaring error in that methodology.
I think that most women (and people) find the idea of a bodybuilding show off-putting. If the only image you have of a guy is of him dehydrated and spray tanned in a banana hammock, you're likely to perceive him as vain and somewhat alien. It's the costume of bodybuilder that is most unattractive. Put Chris bumsteads physique (minus the extreme spray tan and with a more casual pose) in a firefighter calendar and he will be much more broadly appealing.
There's also a strong social stigma against women appearing to care too much about a man's appearance. For every girl that flaunts her 6' dating cutoff there is another who proudly looks down on "normies" for caring about their partners' looks. The first girl probably still dates guys below 6' occasionally and the second girl probably deep down does care about looks more than she admits, but when a stranger puts a camera in your face and asks how you feel, most people give the safe answer. The safe answer is "I like guys for their personality".
Formerly redpilled 25-year-old here.
Have trained on/off for about a year and a half now. Was motivated to start lifting after a messy breakup and a lifetime of rejections.
I initially started lifting as heavy as I could. My muscles were sore, I made little progress and I hated myself the whole way through.
I've taken up two things that have made me rethink my fitness journey- calisthenics and martial arts.
I won't build up as much muscle as pure weightlifting, but I've begun to view calisthenics and my karate + BJJ classes as hobbies.
It made my fitness journey way more motivating and enjoyable.
So what if I never achieve the "Chris Hemsworth physique"- I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would appreciate a guy that's lean, strong, flexible and looking like he could kick the air out of a thug twice his size.
The past 2 months since my change in training style has been more transformational for me than the weightlifting ever was.
I don‘t know it it helps, but while I do think Chris Hemsworth has a great physique, it doesn’t mean that I can’t appreciate other physiques. I personally don’t like guys that lift but are out of breath after walking up a tiny hill.
And in the end, you still need personality to make someone fall in love with you
Strength training will make both of those skills easier, just stop ego lifting and do steady progression with weights you can lift that are like 5 pounds less than what you can do 1 max reps with. Also, bulk up on fatty animal protein instead of cutting.
Sounds like you weren’t exactly training right by your own admission. It makes tad difference when you’re progressing… It’s like the studies they’ve done on mice that are allowed to exercise by their own will and those that are forced to. Same volumes, completely top down systemic difference in outcomes. The difference in progress is the difference in being the mouse that has a reason to lift and the other that just has to.
At the very least add a stomachable amount of lifting and see if you can grow to appreciate it through sheer exposure. The upsides for your other endeavors will be there.
4:00 love what you put there. A lot of people that are chronically online and watch red pill youtubers have a really warped view of what women are actually like because they only get fed the most outrageous tiktok videos that aren't a good representation of the real world at all
Good video. As a woman (we are in fact people, yes) I do like some muscle in men. Not just because of the way it looks, but because it’s an indication that the guy has a healthy lifestyle similar to mine (I also lift weights). It also shows that they’re capable of putting effort into themselves and working hard, which I also appreciate 🤷♀ So it’s more about having similar lifestyles - people who love sports don’t usually have much in common with couch potatoes and vice versa.
As for some people claiming women have high standards, I don’t quite get it. When I go outside, I see all kinds of couples: skinny, fat, muscular, old, young, you name it. Could it be that for a lot of people, looks are actually not the most important thing? 😁
Those standards are set by charlatans online to keep insecure guys watching and buying. Half these guys need to go to their local promenade/hangout spot and people watch. As you state, couples come in all combos and you'll virtually never see the hypothetical gigachad and gigastacy combo that they are told are the only ones who can date.
@@TheGreektrojan Totally agree. The problem is that these guys still want a super hot woman, no matter how they look themselves. Which means they're actually the ones with the high standards :)
@@TheGreektrojan Furthermore, most these guys has been hirt at some point by a girl (generally the type of girl you wouldn't want anyway). They then extrapolate a lot of conclusions from their experience. Charlatans and red pill promoters target these guys. I never sympathise with them even though you could make a case that they're a victim for marketing. This is because I went through that. I've been hurt multiple of times for reasons that are out of my control (geographical location, age,...). I became somewhat callous and more short-tempered as a person but I refuse to generalize any conclusion on women based on my unfortunate experiences.
@@TheGreektrojandata says otherwise, personal experience is a mite compared to the stats on dating and sex for men. Not black pill either, just not blind to reality.
@@blastermaster7261 My own personal experience with women is super blackpillish.
The first priority is and should always be you!.. do not worry about anyone else get yourself well build muscles, do your thing and the right woman will come along..
I’ve been physically active on and off for most of my 65 year. I’ve started weight training again for myself and better health. My physical gains only show when I take my shirt off. That being said my female co- worker playfully touched my arm and shoulders and remarked “you have muscles “. I found out later from a male co-worker that female told other females. Now I get interested looks and arm squeezes.
Imagine if you did that to women... The world would implode!
@@Jim-yk9zwWho cares. If you’re a bloke getting that attention you don’t care about the woke virus.
@@Jim-yk9zw
Yes, the world should implode if you did that to women, because there is clearly a difference in power dynamics between men and ladies. Also, there is a whole centuries old history (if not millenia old history) of women being oppressed by men just due to their sex. Plus, women can't generally harm men just by their physical strength.
These are the reasons that women playfully touching men and staring at them is not seen as dangerous compared to when men do it to women. Men should understand this and show some restraint and consideration.
@@Jim-yk9zw #mentoo
Maybe muscles do not attract women, but the confidence a person gains from muscles will attract women.
My current girlfriend could not give less of a shit about me lifting weights. Not that she hates it, but if I snapped my finger and lost all my muscle it wouldn’t make any difference to her.
Last girlfriend it was basically a requirement. She worked out and was quite muscular herself, so at least she held herself to the same standard.
So my definitely totally scientific answer is: Sometimes
I wasn't expecting it but this is actually a super reasonable videos. Has some good points too
Honestly he just got the like for the manosphere joke, caught me off guard..
That economics curve explanation was enlightening :D
Fit/Muscular Body + Good Hygiene + High intelligence + Good Character + Dedication/Devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ + Good Career = Highly attractive to women.. am i right? 😎
no cuz youre short
What i learned in this video: "Women are people" , i was shocked
Learn something new everyday
Funny fact is that the more attracted you are to a person's face the more plain they are which your eyes tells you is a good sign that they aren't suffering from sicknesses
Great balanced video so far
While I wasn't part of the target audience for this one, I also couldn't stop watching it. I'm glad you put this out there for the young men that can benefit from it.
This video was great! A honest and balanced perspective!
So do,some dont,some don't care😅
Women are very simple. Look fit(shows you have work ethic and discipline), have money(they will want to go on trips and experience things with you), and be yourself(women like men who are confident in themselves), you have all those you will find yourself the right woman.
lmao
I've been very skinny and I'm now at the "pretty obvious that I lift" stage, and not trying to humble brag but I'm decent looking. Whatever my body has looked like, the only compliments I've gotten were my hair, my smile, and personality traits like kindness and humor. Women care WAY less than you think. It might get you laid, but you'll still have to have a personality. It's like owning a supercar but only being able to drive it on a pothole infested school zone. The most important part about being fit isn't the look, it's that it shows that you take care of yourself imo.
My advice : do things for YOURSELF, get fit and enjoy it, take care of yourself and improve yourself for no other reason than because you deserve it, that doesn't just mean physical appearance, but education, health, hygiene, emotional intelligence/kindness/empathy, and get yourself out there, do activities where you expand your social circle, and things will happen naturally.
💁🏾♀️ VERY well put!
I 100% notice men's physiques but would die before complimenting a man's body out loud. Never expect a woman to do that, we might not physically be capable of it. It doesn't mean we don't notice. Have you ever even seen that happen in real life?? I complimented a male friend on something (not his body, he has a killer body but god help me if I ever say anything about it) and he told me it was the first compliment he'd received in like a year. We have a lot going on in our heads that you'll never hear about lol.
You got those compliments due to halo effect, that would never occur if you were unattractive.
it's the confidence and the idgaf attitude that make the physique stand out..being jacked does help to a degree
Another issue with Dad Bods is that women don't know the difference between actual dad bods and a fit guy with a small layer of fat over the abs. I've seen videos where they said Chris Bumstead's offseason physique is a "Dad Bod".
Can't underestimate the face aesthetics for women, if a man has a defined jawline and high cheekbones he will be attractive regardless of his physique, and bonus points if he's got a decent amount of muscle.
That's my experience at least, I've never been a big guy. I'm 5'11 185lbs, been working out for 7 years (still an intermediate unfortunately, because I don't eat enough) regardless... I think a lot of women would still like it were I over 200lbs of muscle, it's just that you don't see it so often so women COPE with "I dont like it!"
This video was worth it just for the mass to ass graph. Incredible.
I've noticed many don't like it, but the ones who do REALLY like it.
Personal experience: yes, women like muscles, everyday I deal with people, couples whatever and the looks that women give me even with their partner at her side is absurd (most of those dudes are outshape)
The Steve Reeves body is the ideal, from what I gather.
2:18
When Geoff said this, I fell off my chair in pure shock and astonishment. Even now I am having trouble fathoming what just came out of Geoff's mouth. In fact, not only did I fall off my chair, I am now writing this comment from the ICU. I am hospitalized from the trauma this realization has dealt me.
I knew I couldn't be the only man that this happened to.
I dont know how I am going to recover from this. The entire paradigm that I have been using to navigate reality has been obliterated.
Edit:
I am now also in the ICU hooked up to a ventilator.
It seems I am losing the will to live.
I have only Geoff to blame.
If you never hear from me again, it is because I have gone on to train with Jack Lalanne, John Meadows, Rich Pianna, Eugene Sandow, and of course ZYZZ, to hit PRs in that great Weightroom in the sky.
Stay shredded, brahs. We're all gonna make it.
Peace.
If you not too short and ugly, muscle can improve attractiveness
Wish developing personality was as simple as making muscle 😢
Personality is influenced by things that are out of our control more than we have a hand in. However, we ought to maximize what we can control.
@@anonymousman4419 well sure but what happens when you become an adult and still have no (or dull) personality? I mean I can't even make friends, let alone attract a woman.
Self awareness, ability to be introspective, goals, your values, what you want in life, what is your craft, what do you like to do? I think life experiences can help develop your personality. When people say develop your personality I think it’s growing into yourself and having an understanding of who you are and what you want.
@@kristijan8518Personality can absolutely be developed. It's the same as lifting, your brain is a muscle and the more you step outside of your comfort zone and use it in ways you're not used to, the more it will develop, just like your muscles.
Here's something to try. Go around and tell really bad jokes and then immediately follow the joke with, "Sorry, I have a bad personality and this is my way of trying to fit in." Take notes on how people reacted and then do it again. Not just to girls, try it out with guys and people you would never have romantic interests in. This will desensitize you to approaching people, which will build confidence and will eventually attract women.
doing heroin gives you optimal, pre-industrial cortisol tone and the demeanor of careless apex hunter, which women love. that's why all junkies got girlfriends. i don't recommend though since heroin destroys the body.
Women will like what I tell them to like - Homer
It definitely does depend on the woman. Some are capable of appreciating a strong natural physique. Though one of the drawbacks in modern times is that many women are users of birth control pills. This alters their hormones and consequently their minds, perception, and preference. They tend to actually abhor masculinity and a fair number of them are actually more attracted to feminine characteristics. So, men can make the mistake of believing that the reason women abhor them is because they aren't trying hard enough on improving their physiques. When in reality women need to be worked on.
Hahaha. Funny.
Confidence and charisma is the biggest attractor to the opposite sex. An aesthetic body will give you that.
Most women would choose a guy with 6 cars over a 6 pack
Pretty lean and pretty jacked is the sweet spot for women finding you objectively desirable. Dad bod is the sweet spot for actually getting a gf, assuming you can act feminine enough.
Heyo, this is a lovely video. Its one of my favorite topics, and I think you've explained it really well. The concept of diminishing returns especially is something that is so valuable to understand.
Just to add to the conversation, what's really cool too is that not only does your physique as a whole follows this principle but also individual muscle groups. On top of that, your actual bone structure, muscle shape, baseline muscle mass all have a huge impact on where you start off on the curve. IMO, something like quads will hit diminishing returns super quick for many people. For some people, they literally don't even need to train them, maybe do some sports and they have crazy aesthetic legs. This is especially the case for shorter people with naturally stockier and/or thicker limbs. Delts, on the other hand for most people IMO, can be trained for years and still not hit that aesthetic plateau. Maybe an exception would be someone with naturally very broad shoulders. They might hit diminishing returns sooner, because they already have a pretty good shoulder to waist ratio.
Moreover, some parts of the body just have more importance than others when it comes to physical attractiveness. Although, all your attributes might follow their own diminishing returns curve, and each of them has a "peak" or platuea, some features are just far more important than others. Some peaks are much more valuable than others. I mean think of facial aesthetics lol! Many lifters really would be better off focusing on their facial hair, getting lean, a hairstyle that suits their face shape. But in terms of physique, A really aesthetic upper body with an underdeveloped skinny lower body still looks generally attractive, although certainly not ideal. However a well developed lower body and skinny underdeveloped upper body looks pretty bad, its barely better then an untrained body. You can take spinal erectors from completely invisible to their aesthetic "Peak" and most people wouldn't care, and its not a tiny muscle group! Take a super skinny "invisible" neck, delts, or even forearms and grow any of them to their peak and it would be instantly noticeable, and have a much bigger impact.
I also think this is why many lifters stop seeing aesthetic improvements. Many recreational lifters want to look better or be more attractive yet they keep focusing on legs, they build lats way past the point of diminishing returns and very often aren't very good at growing their side delts which actually generally has the biggest impact for most people. On top of that, lots of people also have skinny necks and don't work their neck. So I also think you can lift in a way that specifically doesn't improve your attractiveness very much. Generally powerlifting focused routines just hit diminishing returns and with some people can even make you look WORSE after a certain point. Short legs will look even SHORTER when they are super bulked up, even as a natural.
Finally, physical attractiveness as a whole is one part of attraction, just like you mentioned, and again, the concept of diminishing returns comes into play. Sometimes people can really start to think that looks is everything and even feel gaslit lol. And then others really believe that looks don't matter at all! Its never affected them in life. And the truth is both are true. When you are really physically unattractive, Think; super out of shape, aggressively ugly, awful hair/skin, very sickly, it'll matter A LOT. It'll have a very significant effect. It'll also feel like looks are the only thing that matters! But when you start to look decent it really starts to matter less and less, and eventually when you're good looking enough it "doesn't matter anymore". Other qualities start to matter. So yes, both are actually true, it just depends on your goals and where you are at in life.
Also, to end this, you DON'T have to be attractive. You don't have to" make the most" of your looks. Its totally up to you, and its actually totally fine to live a life where you completely unattractive, or just average looking. We all eventually become unattractive anyways, its called getting old lol. If you don't really care then you don't care! It's good to understand that looks will affect you in some aspects of life, to understand what matters a lot with looks and what doesn't, but also to know that its not an important quality in MANY MANY aspects of life. Who cares how you look if you're just trying to be a chess grandmaster, or a scientist? Really doesn't matter at all. But if you're interested in meeting lots of women/short term dating? Interested in being a model, an actor or maybe working in the service industry? Then it certainly DOES matter! It matters in long-term dating as well of course but not as much as when you're trying just sleep with lots of women.
Idk what it is but I've found that older women like more muscle but could just be my experience
See I’m naturally lean and people would only know I work out if I was topless so in my experience I haven’t really noticed any extra attention from the opposite sex, but I do feel more comfortable in my own skin as a result from the weight lifting
I noticed you could make you beard look more sharp by shaving a cheek line. Of course only if you're looking for a sharper beard. Great video by the way
Yes women love muscles but you don’t need a lot.
Muscle builds a solid structure, and that’s what I think women find attractive. You wanna look “sturdy”.
In my experience, gym girls are attracted to guys with muscles. Average girls who dont hit the gym like muscles on a guy, but just like slightly more muscular than your average joe. As long as you aren’t a slob, you can pretty much get any girl you want if you are funny and confident.
No, you need to have good looks to get any girl.
@@vklnew9824 , walk around a mall. You’ll see great looking girls with average guys all the time. Don’t listen to these red pill idiots.
I think male tend to think physique matters more than it does, because for the males it matters a lot. But for females, it has a relatively low importance, and it matters more in the negative. Namely, if you are ugly and severely out of shape that`s a problem, but once you are at least ok, you have diminishing returns being more physically attractive and other things matters much more, like social status, money and charisma.
I think the point being, if you based your entirety and worth around a single aspect, then you'll find your mileage with any partner to be very limited.
unless you are 6ft 4 or above with chiseled jawline blonde hair and blue eyes
Manlet can get limb lengthening with jawline surgery and hair styling but how much that is the question
@@RazorRamonMachismogo back to looksmaxxing com buddy
Well jokes on my girlfriend I was skinny when I we started dating and now I’m massive and her type has changed from tall and skinny to tall and jacked
Kyriakos Grizzly is peak male physique
Real gym bros will recognize all those physiques