The fact that Alex did this off of knowledge in his head is wild. He has analyzed every combo on multiple cars, hoping he is with Lund Racing for years to come
I've been waiting for this video for a while, running 10.30s all day on pump gas. Running a 2650 . Just added long tube headers with cat deletes and id 1050x injectors. I'm going to see if I can sneak into the nines with this ms109 tune I just got.
Thanks Alex for all the great info, I've been waiting on this video, if I go boosted it will be the 3.0 Whipple I'm not looking to race it all the time just something to have when I need it. Awesome video like always and appreciate your time helping us figure things out. 🤙🏻🤙🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Been following you for a few months since I bought my 2021 GT. Waiting for my ESS G3 now. You are a wealth of info, my friend. I have learned so much from you
Hey brother if you have any questions about your ESS kit, hit me up. I was one of the original guys here in AZ to runs these kits before ESS blew up. Over 3 years now, so if you have any questions about power or mods to get certain power, I can square you away. Glad you picked up a kit.
Great video on the 10R platform! I do have a question though as far as dig vs roll racing...do you think the 10R could live longer at 850-9 wheel if its not dig raced but only roll raced?
Hey Alex, appreciate this video very helpful! I want to build my car to the 850 to 900HP range.. I don't plan on drag racing with it at all just a hobby and joy ride type of car. Whipple would be my best bet?
The big question I would like to ask you as a tuner. How do you feel about Steeda close box intake. I was wondering is it hard to tune. My mustang I looking for something to go with my mustang since I’m looking into getting catted long tubes with my 3” catback
I think I’ve only ever seen two Centri cars go 8’s. One was the Beefcake car with the big Vortech and the other was Nick Fosnaugh with the crimson F series procharger car
@@LyionsMountain I haven't been paying much attention. I knew he'd switched to the Whipple and went deeper into the 8's but I hopped off social media as a whole a little bit after so what he's done between now and then is all news to me
I was on the fence with getting a ess g3 supercharger but how reliable the 10r80 is I thinking just stay headers, e85 and a pms fender well intake. Especially since my car has 3.55
I have a 22 10r80 & want just a little boost without compromising reliability since it is my daily & I dont drag race. Which boosted application & brand would better for me in this situation?
What Gen1 defect knocks/slaps when cold and goes away when it warms up? At least at first. My engine was replaced and now after just 36k its doing the same thing. Sounds like a diesel. It's gut wrenching and I'm sick just thinking about how Ford cheated me out of the peace of mind I should have instead of this stress.
Hi Alex, I’m in Australia, I have a custom tuned 3L Whippled 10R80 2020 GT, has long tube headers, full 3 inch cat back, 132mm TB, 3.75 pulley pushing only 660whp on 93. I also have an FI interchiller on it and have billet OPG and CS. Fuel system comprises of an upgraded 900hp rated fuel pump (not return style) plus 1000cc inj. Seems like a very conservative tune but I’m thinking of getting a separate E85 tune for roll racing at our local track. Do you think 750whp with my current set up without pulleying down and/or getting a bigger fuel system capacity is safely achievable?
No you need a return style fuel system with a boost reference for e85. And 660 hp is about right for pump gas ...you're pretty much at your octane limit. Want more power? Needs more boost and better octane with more timing. Or e85, fuel system, and more boost and timing.
Thank you for your reply. I get worried as is when I roll race currently as I get P008A low fuel pressure code after 4 or 5 races (still runs fine no loss of power) but the code vanishes the next day upon start up. Never happens during normal and spirited driving only roll racing. Maybe I should get that return fuel system asap!
I can’t find anything online and I’m not super knowledgeable in terms of anything beyond bolt on mods, but when you say upgrading injectors, do you mean just the 8 on top or all 16 injectors on the gen 3?
I have a ess kit g2 on mines. I have the precision blow off valve. My set up has my bov open at idle so and I added a extra spacers but I heard some compressor surge so I just put the one big spacer back in. Of course this is causing the car to idle slightly rough (rich to lean condition at idle) due to unfiltered air getting in. Do you have the same blow off valve and if so what spacer combo did you use. I emailed precision to see if they can send me 2 small spacers so I can put the combo to shut at 21hg and up at idle. Good luck with the kit.
A G4 head unit should get you into the 8's if you have enough fuel system. It's similar to and slightly outflows the supercharger F1 series. If you're just targeting high 9's the G4 is a bit overkill IMO.
@@rileyneufeld7001He lives in Denver so density altitude is much higher (probably 7000+ like we experience in Albuquerque). This means we run slower than people who race @ sea level since the air is less dense.
@@jmendozas197 Even still you spin a g3x more than enough for high 9's in Colorado air density. All that is needed for 9's is 800whp and a good 60ft. And I'm at 5000DA
@@rileyneufeld7001 It depends what other mods he has though. I know 9s is obtainable, even @ that high of a DA, but it doesn’t mean it’s a walk in the park. Since it’s a centri, he would need a converter and preferably a transbrake to get a good 60ft. I know cars need to make over 800whp through an auto to run high 9s here in Albuquerque (similar DA to Denver), and that’s lighter cars like s197s and Corvettes. A s550 would probably need closer to 850-900whp if it’s stock weight (depends on the trim, as a PP2 with all the bells and whistles will be right @ 4000lbs), so it’ll be a bit more difficult to get the same times. One of my friends made 950whp on his Gen2 coyote through a TH400 and ran 9.90. The weight is what kills the s550 chassis unless you really get after some weight reduction and get it to the 3200-3500lb range. A stock s550 weighing 3800-4000lbs without a transbrake will struggle to get into the 9s in 7000+ DA, unless it’s making some good power to compensate.
Why no mention of any of the smaller Procharger P1X/D1X etc and only the bigger F1 series? I've always been a procharger fan and was looking to fit one to a new 2023 GT. I'm curious why you are actively ignoring them in particular. I've seen you say you don't like them in the longer shows and curious if there's a reason I should be avoiding them. Would be looking for a Lund tune for a P1X.
P1x is an 8sec capable blower. D1x is a mid 8s capable. Nothing wrong with them, theyre great efficient "smaller" units. Ive been 9.08 at 153 with a P1X gen 2, with still head room to drop pulley.
On pump gas I would be careful with cams. You need to rev high to get the benefit of cams and that will increase your boost even in a 125mm pulley you might make too much boost and have to lower shift points. On e85 though it would be a monster up top.
Is this a joke? Lol. Gen 4 is locked down bro with over the air updates and they can flag it if it's tampered with. They're extremely limited compared to s550 which is why they aren't worth messing with people just don't get it man lol. That is one of the reasons they suck is they can't be tuned and it is also basically a face lifted s550 even on the same chassis. The tablet on the dash is horrible just save money and get an s550 my God people newer ain't always better smh. If you wanna mod it and bought a gen 4 you bought the wrong car.
@@Travisisaac55 just a question because not that long ago he was really against 21-23 for the “saucy stuff”. I wonder if that includes the f150s though.
@jonathanrodarte2715 I'm not sure you gotta ask him about the 21+ f150's. he was against them because they did not have full access until very recently but also because of ford's quality issues becoming more prevalent than pre 2020 mustang
With Lund tuning them yes. Others probably can tune em too but they aren't as vetted as 18-20 because they just now got it figured out. This is common sense. I'd just get an 18-20 car they're less money comparatively and are just as good or better. Newer doesn't mean better.
@@YDBT4LIFE we where on 13 pounds of boost max we where worried about breaking Axles so that the highest we went on boost and thank you guys for all the tunning Hands down the best
Soo we not gonna talk about how the greatest transmission ever made in the gt500 fits on the gt350 since they share the same block… American gt3 your welcome.
yes of course, it’s super reliable, shifts faster than every transmission I know of, if not quicker than the pdk, it’s not as tunable because its sealed and not as ideal as other options for dedicated drag cars but it literally does everything. Of course I rather use it for the track but there’s plenty of 8 s gt500. I think the new gt3’s will be a similar set up dct with the 5.4 from multimatic. Again I’m more of a track enthusiast, but I’m really surprised the mustang community haven’t talked or done this swap yet. Cheers
The fact that Alex did this off of knowledge in his head is wild. He has analyzed every combo on multiple cars, hoping he is with Lund Racing for years to come
You are a huge help in the mustang performance world. Thanks for your videos!
A lot of great info, especially for someone like myself who’s wanting to learn as much as I can. Thanks for doing this!
Appreciate all the info Alex!
I've been waiting for this video for a while, running 10.30s all day on pump gas. Running a 2650 . Just added long tube headers with cat deletes and id 1050x injectors. I'm going to see if I can sneak into the nines with this ms109 tune I just got.
Excellent info. Thank you sir 🤙 🇺🇸
Thanks Alex for all the great info, I've been waiting on this video, if I go boosted it will be the 3.0 Whipple I'm not looking to race it all the time just something to have when I need it. Awesome video like always and appreciate your time helping us figure things out. 🤙🏻🤙🏻👍🏻👍🏻
When will you need the power from a boosted coyote if you don’t race?🤣
@@oHypBastohe said not race it all the time doesn't mean he isn't gonna race it
Great content Alex, appreciate your knowledge 🔥💯
Just did the fuel system on my Paxton A10 GT ,going with that 3.33 pulley soon! Great info alex 💪🏻
Been following you for a few months since I bought my 2021 GT. Waiting for my ESS G3 now. You are a wealth of info, my friend. I have learned so much from you
Hey brother if you have any questions about your ESS kit, hit me up. I was one of the original guys here in AZ to runs these kits before ESS blew up. Over 3 years now, so if you have any questions about power or mods to get certain power, I can square you away. Glad you picked up a kit.
@@Sabotfit5ohDo you have instagram?
@@Sabotfit5ohme bro I need help lol. Looking at the new or kinda new G3R what you think?
@@Sabotfit5oh damn can I ask you questions too? I’m getting a G3 as well
Dead on the money with all content! Keep up the work Alrex & Amry!
Damn good video man thanks 👍
Great info!
Awesome content Alex 👍
Nice vid love it
Let’s get it another banger 🔥🔥
I definitely think you’re right I rebuilt mine four times no more. Now I’m going to turbhoe 400.
Love and appreciate the vid. What about switching to the 6r transmission since the 10 doesn’t last?
Looking forward to the manual video 🫡
It's already done, unless you mean my GT500
@YDBT4LIFE I was talking about boosted manual gen 3 guide.
@@SanicGottaGoFast already done. Go check.
@YDBT4LIFE unless you mean just follow the gen 2 guide. I can't see it. Hopefully, youtube isn't hiding it for some reason.
@@SanicGottaGoFastsame
Alex ---> Awesome video my frined.
I've been waiting two months for the video.
On an ESS with 100mm pulley on e85/fuel system. Absolutely rips
The goat himself has spoken 🫡
Great video on the 10R platform! I do have a question though as far as dig vs roll racing...do you think the 10R could live longer at 850-9 wheel if its not dig raced but only roll raced?
Yes.
Hey Alex, appreciate this video very helpful! I want to build my car to the 850 to 900HP range.. I don't plan on drag racing with it at all just a hobby and joy ride type of car. Whipple would be my best bet?
Very glad to hear on the 21-23 tuning being on the same level as 18-20 now. What exactly was found or updated Alex?
impressive knowledge and great info! But no love for Roush?
Nope. Gen 3 roush blowers are duds
Thank you for the info Alex what do ratio would you recommend for the 1st gear and 2nd gear on a turbo 400.
Can you do a one of these videos for the gen1 and 2. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Lol I literally did them all
Are they on your UA-cam channel?
Yes!
My man!
Still not a fan of the 10r80. But there is comfort in knowing that Lund can handle the job. Thank you
The big question I would like to ask you as a tuner. How do you feel about Steeda close box intake. I was wondering is it hard to tune. My mustang I looking for something to go with my mustang since I’m looking into getting catted long tubes with my 3” catback
I think I’ve only ever seen two Centri cars go 8’s. One was the Beefcake car with the big Vortech and the other was Nick Fosnaugh with the crimson F series procharger car
Yup and Beefcake had a one off compressor wheel that Vortech wouldn't sell the general public.
Nicks car went 7.4 or 7.6 last year at tx2k
@@LyionsMountain I haven't been paying much attention. I knew he'd switched to the Whipple and went deeper into the 8's but I hopped off social media as a whole a little bit after so what he's done between now and then is all news to me
@@blackonefifty yeah he has a f1a 94 or a f1x I don’t remember which but it did like a 7.60 at like 180 something
Fastest supercharged 10r80 record is held by a centrifugal. Some guy went 7s with a procharger F series.
Hey Alex I’m gonna swap a t56 in my s197 would you recommend a tick shifter or a Mgw shifter I’m leaning towards tick.
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Hey Alex have you ever talked about Methanol set ups? What do you think about say an Alky control meth kit running 100% or 50/50
I was on the fence with getting a ess g3 supercharger but how reliable the 10r80 is I thinking just stay headers, e85 and a pms fender well intake. Especially since my car has 3.55
Thank god I have a Gen2
Interested in a gen 3 manual boosted video. Can't afford boost but I like to dream.
Gen2 manual video can be used for reference. Literally the same
Hey Alex, what about gear ratios for the 10r80!? I have a PP with 3.55 but im wondering if i should swap to 3.31 or 3.15
3.15 boosted always
I have a 22 10r80 & want just a little boost without compromising reliability since it is my daily & I dont drag race. Which boosted application & brand would better for me in this situation?
Ess or whipple.
There is a s197 in the 7s with a prochager
I was wondering if u have to build a 10r80 in order to get into 700 hp? Thanks
What Gen1 defect knocks/slaps when cold and goes away when it warms up? At least at first. My engine was replaced and now after just 36k its doing the same thing. Sounds like a diesel. It's gut wrenching and I'm sick just thinking about how Ford cheated me out of the peace of mind I should have instead of this stress.
What were you going to say about the gen3r?
Why did your voice changed in the second half of the video ? Lol just kidding, hope you get better man 🎉
Hi Alex, I’m in Australia, I have a custom tuned 3L Whippled 10R80 2020 GT, has long tube headers, full 3 inch cat back, 132mm TB, 3.75 pulley pushing only 660whp on 93. I also have an FI interchiller on it and have billet OPG and CS. Fuel system comprises of an upgraded 900hp rated fuel pump (not return style) plus 1000cc inj. Seems like a very conservative tune but I’m thinking of getting a separate E85 tune for roll racing at our local track. Do you think 750whp with my current set up without pulleying down and/or getting a bigger fuel system capacity is safely achievable?
No you need a return style fuel system with a boost reference for e85.
And 660 hp is about right for pump gas ...you're pretty much at your octane limit. Want more power? Needs more boost and better octane with more timing. Or e85, fuel system, and more boost and timing.
Thank you for your reply. I get worried as is when I roll race currently as I get P008A low fuel pressure code after 4 or 5 races (still runs fine no loss of power) but the code vanishes the next day upon start up. Never happens during normal and spirited driving only roll racing. Maybe I should get that return fuel system asap!
What cat back do you have? I'm curious I have pretty much an identical build minus a cat back.
Can you give your opinion on the Roush Superchargers?
It didn’t make the video for a reason …
do we need oil pump gear?
King daddy setup
Great content, but I didn’t hear anything on ProCharger
Because they are garbage
I’ve gone 10.7 in a 10r and g3 on 91, with the 125 pulley. With no real effort!
Not much effort racing an auto car anyways lol. Good job that gearing really helps them out.
@@midnight347 hell yeah, hope to go E after the summer and go deeep 10s
Did I miss something? What happened to Gen3 boosted with a manual transmission?
I can’t find anything online and I’m not super knowledgeable in terms of anything beyond bolt on mods, but when you say upgrading injectors, do you mean just the 8 on top or all 16 injectors on the gen 3?
Port injection only
Where is my roush 2650 love? Lol. It’s not bad after you drop 4K into it 🥴
Does anyone know if you have and aftermarket fuel pump offered with the g3 if u needs a fuel pump booster too?
Just a couple weeks ago you said look for an 18-20 over the 21+ cars. So you guys had a big breakthrough in tuning since then?
Yes. mostly out of necessity.
@@YDBT4LIFE that’s good to know, it’s now really opened up my options for cars I’ve been looking at. Thanks
What if I have Magneride? How does that affect me if I would choose a Whipple stage 2 and only trying to go 10s?
IT will limit you when you want to go 8's but should be fine even in the deep 9's
Does Ess have a billet inducer? Like vortec has some aftermarket options for billet impeller upgrade
The X trim “G3X” is a billet impeller, that’s the only different
Is the g4 billet? Don’t know if I trust a cast blade spinning that fast
would bother going from 5.4 boss 290 to gen1 coyote?
Do yall think I can take liter bikes and twin turbo cars with a whippled + nos on a gen 3 10r80???
Can you do Gen 3 MT82 Boosted Combos?
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I think you just tuned my 2019 mustang gt with the ess g4. I hope it will go into the high 9s but i live in denver so we will see. I will let u know.
I have a ess kit g2 on mines. I have the precision blow off valve. My set up has my bov open at idle so and I added a extra spacers but I heard some compressor surge so I just put the one big spacer back in. Of course this is causing the car to idle slightly rough (rich to lean condition at idle) due to unfiltered air getting in. Do you have the same blow off valve and if so what spacer combo did you use. I emailed precision to see if they can send me 2 small spacers so I can put the combo to shut at 21hg and up at idle. Good luck with the kit.
A G4 head unit should get you into the 8's if you have enough fuel system. It's similar to and slightly outflows the supercharger F1 series. If you're just targeting high 9's the G4 is a bit overkill IMO.
@@rileyneufeld7001He lives in Denver so density altitude is much higher (probably 7000+ like we experience in Albuquerque). This means we run slower than people who race @ sea level since the air is less dense.
@@jmendozas197 Even still you spin a g3x more than enough for high 9's in Colorado air density. All that is needed for 9's is 800whp and a good 60ft. And I'm at 5000DA
@@rileyneufeld7001 It depends what other mods he has though. I know 9s is obtainable, even @ that high of a DA, but it doesn’t mean it’s a walk in the park. Since it’s a centri, he would need a converter and preferably a transbrake to get a good 60ft. I know cars need to make over 800whp through an auto to run high 9s here in Albuquerque (similar DA to Denver), and that’s lighter cars like s197s and Corvettes. A s550 would probably need closer to 850-900whp if it’s stock weight (depends on the trim, as a PP2 with all the bells and whistles will be right @ 4000lbs), so it’ll be a bit more difficult to get the same times.
One of my friends made 950whp on his Gen2 coyote through a TH400 and ran 9.90. The weight is what kills the s550 chassis unless you really get after some weight reduction and get it to the 3200-3500lb range. A stock s550 weighing 3800-4000lbs without a transbrake will struggle to get into the 9s in 7000+ DA, unless it’s making some good power to compensate.
A 2650 82 mm pulley is 14 pounds of boost i think
Why no mention of any of the smaller Procharger P1X/D1X etc and only the bigger F1 series? I've always been a procharger fan and was looking to fit one to a new 2023 GT. I'm curious why you are actively ignoring them in particular. I've seen you say you don't like them in the longer shows and curious if there's a reason I should be avoiding them. Would be looking for a Lund tune for a P1X.
P1x is an 8sec capable blower. D1x is a mid 8s capable. Nothing wrong with them, theyre great efficient "smaller" units. Ive been 9.08 at 153 with a P1X gen 2, with still head room to drop pulley.
Alex, do you have any videos about a 3.7 Duratec Mustang build? God be with you, you are loved by our Creator.
No. I only dabble in v8
What about the 433430 Stage 2 comp cams? Would they be beneficial on a ESS G3 93/e85?
On pump gas I would be careful with cams. You need to rev high to get the benefit of cams and that will increase your boost even in a 125mm pulley you might make too much boost and have to lower shift points. On e85 though it would be a monster up top.
@@rileyneufeld7001 Appreciate it! I’m definitely only doing cams after I get the fuel system for e85
Do gen 4 f150
🎉
I just want to be able to add enough boosf to beat any stock corvette on the streets. I just have to stop being skeered and cheap 😭
ESS Conquered the force induction
It really did
When’s the dark horse video 😅😅😅
Can 20+ GT500 injectors be used as a middle ground between LU47 and ID 1050’s?
I would skip the LU47's and go for the 2020+ gt500 injectors if you're set on staying on pump gas.
Yes.
Have lu47's become obsolete with the 2020 gt500 55lb injectors being available for probably half the price of lu47's?
Get 1050s and be happier, they're relatively cheap for the role they play in your car.
@@alvtuning5877 That's what I did ID 1050 XDS's. Just wondering why people still get LU47's.
Pretty much yes.
Alex, when can we expect the “Boosted S650 Dark Horse combinations”?
Will there be videos for gen 4
Is this a joke? Lol. Gen 4 is locked down bro with over the air updates and they can flag it if it's tampered with. They're extremely limited compared to s550 which is why they aren't worth messing with people just don't get it man lol. That is one of the reasons they suck is they can't be tuned and it is also basically a face lifted s550 even on the same chassis. The tablet on the dash is horrible just save money and get an s550 my God people newer ain't always better smh. If you wanna mod it and bought a gen 4 you bought the wrong car.
@@midnight347 relax dude. I have an f150
Hey Alex so now even the 21-23 have all the sauce?
He said that in the first part of the video they are all "sauced up" as of July
@@Travisisaac55 just a question because not that long ago he was really against 21-23 for the “saucy stuff”. I wonder if that includes the f150s though.
@jonathanrodarte2715 I'm not sure you gotta ask him about the 21+ f150's. he was against them because they did not have full access until very recently but also because of ford's quality issues becoming more prevalent than pre 2020 mustang
Alex
What about the weight of the car?
What about it.
How much can the stock internals handle in the Gen 3s ?
850+ some have held 1000
@@YDBT4LIFE thanks
Hey gang
Does that mean the 2020 2023 mustangs are now solid? Just like the 18s through 20s?
With Lund tuning them yes. Others probably can tune em too but they aren't as vetted as 18-20 because they just now got it figured out. This is common sense. I'd just get an 18-20 car they're less money comparatively and are just as good or better. Newer doesn't mean better.
Finally 😂
What's the record for a 2022 10R80 twin turbo stock converter in the quarter mile ?
LOL nobody is that stupid, gotta run a converter or enjoy 1.8 60ft times.
@@YDBT4LIFE we did it out of California 9.8 1.560 foot lund tune
1.5 60 foot leaving on 2 gear
@@avimedina6562 nice so as quick as a stick car on 10 psi LOL.
@@YDBT4LIFE we where on 13 pounds of boost max we where worried about breaking Axles so that the highest we went on boost and thank you guys for all the tunning Hands down the best
Ms109 tune with a bap, on a 2650 supercharger, running a 2.8 pulley at the track. Should that combo be okay ?
With Such limited info.....who knows.
Jen 3 10r80 car, 19 degrees timing No knock at all. Fuel pressure High 70s fuel pressure and fuel trims within 5 percent@@YDBT4LIFE
Soo we not gonna talk about how the greatest transmission ever made in the gt500 fits on the gt350 since they share the same block… American gt3 your welcome.
Greatest trans ever made? I know you're not talking about the dct? Lol
yes of course, it’s super reliable, shifts faster than every transmission I know of, if not quicker than the pdk, it’s not as tunable because its sealed and not as ideal as other options for dedicated drag cars but it literally does everything. Of course I rather use it for the track but there’s plenty of 8 s gt500. I think the new gt3’s will be a similar set up dct with the 5.4 from multimatic. Again I’m more of a track enthusiast, but I’m really surprised the mustang community haven’t talked or done this swap yet. Cheers
So just stay at 800whp and your fine or this 10r80 is just not it?
Unless you're ok rebuilding it for 5k every year.
@@YDBT4LIFE dammit well shoot 6r80 here I come if I can find one that’s not ragged out
He no longer works for Lund? Does he do tunes??
I still work for Lund
@@YDBT4LIFE what device do you guys use to email tunes??
To all the Flores haters, beat this video!!!!!
I was always told boost-a-pumps are bandaids. Get yourself a real fuel system.
What gears should I run tho...3.15 or 3.55?????
Lol my a4 gos 10.65at 157mph with 4,000 in Bolt ons 😂
157 mph at 10.65 et.....hahahahaha