It’s almost like the Falcons made the right decision drafting the guy who throws the prettiest ball in CFB and letting him develop for 2 years under Kirk
That’s how you’re supposed to do it. A lot of the greatest qbs started off by sitting behind a good/great qb to develop and learn. These other sorry teams just expect rookies to be Brady in 2007😂
No that man too old to be sitting for years behind Kurt and he'll be like 27 years old years old making his first start and secondly people acting like this it's some kind of crisis we just had a couple young quarterbacks not do good and struggle and now all of a sudden it's a big problem it's really not penix was still a bad choice
I think the only problem is that Penix is old, if they drafted a different QB in a later round who has potential but needs to sit back, then yeah ofc great pick, but a QB in the first round while you just signed a QB in at least a 3 year deal leaves Penix at 28 if he starts playing
@@nottodayimbusy7146 you smooth brains act like 27-28 is old when on average that’s when most athletes hit their peak. That’s the perfect age to step in a be a starting qb. No way you are this smooth brained😂 Plus based on college film and stats Penix is one of the more NFL ready QB’s of all the rookies. Learn ball.
@@Deriv44 Right. And yet, I think it wouldve been better if he wouldve sat behind a vet for a while as well. Call it pure talent, or just luck! Probably a bit of both... But if a view plays go the other way, a view more sacks (doesnt look good this year with 7 after 2 games) and he couldve lost his confidence as well. Its allways a gamble.
Wtf. TB12 nailed it... these rookies are expected to come in and be great in their 1st year in the NFL, and that's virtually impossible. Almost all of them need time to learn and develop. Stroud is an outlier... one in a thousand. Everyone else is merely human. Give them a friggin chance!
It's not an NFL problem as much as it's a couple of teams in the NFL that decided to throw a rookies into a s*** situation and watch him suffer. The Chicago bears and the Carolina Panthers do a crap job of managing their teams they go out and try to get these All-Star wide receivers to supposedly help their quarterbacks when really what they need to do is secure the offensive line
@@jameshollister8294 I would have kept Justin fields and traded the number one draft pick for some proven offensive line veterans and maybe a few second and third round picks
Its been like that for years. Thats how you get the first overall pick. But now its just horrible. We saw Herbert, burrow, thrive with what they got. I would say purdy too butt that team was loaded
People have forgotten what a horrible first season John Elway had in Denver. Here's a reminder: he had a passer rating of 54.9 with 1,663 yards, 7 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 11 games and had a 4-6 record in his rookie season in 1983. In his first game he actually lined up under the wrong offensive lineman and was 1-for-8 for 14 yards, was sacked four times and threw an interception. This isn't to say that every sensational college QB will eventually be a John Elway, it's just that they often struggle while they get their bearings in the NFL.
As a Seahawks fan I witnessed Russell Wilson win 11 games in first season but he was put in a good system played with in himself was not asked to do it by himself he had Marshawn Lynch. U need a run game to survive as a rookie until u become confident with your pass game not many players can be great passers in year one you need balance. Instead of drafting WR u need to get your team a run game and run blockers to help young QBs look at all the good offenses this season they have a run game.
About 98% of the guys you play against in college won't be drafted, much less make an NFL team. The level of competition is nowhere near comparable, no matter whether you're coming out of the best program in college or the worst.
there are a few problems ->one, QB is often overdrafted. ->two, we've had some tremendous first round hits recently; herbert, watson, stroud all were generationally good in thier rookie years when you combine no.1 with no.2 you get an environment where QBs REALLY get overdrafted. there was not 6 first round QBs in the last draft (I know there was 6 drafted), there was 2 or 3 at most. but a bunch of 2nd or 3rd rounders ended up going in round one. in fact the only QB in the past draft who should have went in the top 10 was Daniels the other two first round talents were no better then last 1st rounders. at best.
Daniels shouldn’t be lumped in with Caleb and Nix. He’s played very efficiently, and had a clutch 34yd pass and a nice scramble on the game winning drive.
@@MarktheGreenLantern but if u watch him, he just looks different. Yes he is throwing check downs. But he is a bit like Goff where he can dominate at check downs cuz he has the height to see over the middle. Also, the league knows he through a beautiful deep ball, they respect it. I didn’t really understand his skill set in the draft process, but I think this kid will start in the nfl for 12 years.
Maybe they should Copy what the packers done. Sit down Quarterback 2 to 3 years have them Learn how to play in the NFL. I do believe that some teams are forcing young Rookie Quarterbacks to play when they are not ready. Yes they Great in college but in the NFL it's a new ball game. 😞
Its because QBs suck today honestly. They arent taught how to be NFL ready in their mechanics and timing in college so when they come to the NFL, they look lost and out of their element. Part of it is the fault of the fans (including people in this comments section).......fans want these guys rushed onto the field Week 1 and not settle for a QB like an Andy Dalton or a Sam Darnold or a Kirk Cousins or a Jacoby Brisset as your starter so that the rookie can learn. Its a RIGHT NOW mentality from the NFL and the fans that are killing these QBs.
Admittedly even I believe that you should at least sit the rookie QB for a year but if the success of the Packers ain't going to go off of maybe these teams really should sit there quarterback behind some kind of veteran for 3 years the Green Bay Packers have had what is it almost 30 years of top QB play clearly they're doing something right.
@@DeeMedia21 exactly Green Bay has been doing right by their quarterbacks for almost 30 years and it shows what have we seen from the Green Bay Packers in the past 30 years the Packers have produced Brett favre Aaron Rodgers and now Jordan love what's one thing they all have in common they sat behind the previous quarterback for 3 years. So whichever quarterback my Carolina Panthers get in the next draft I am going to advocate for them to sit behind a veteran quarterback for at least 3 years before we actually throw them out there. Also Tom Brady he famously didn't play immediately either I can't remember how long he sat behind the previous quarterback I think it was also similarly 3 years and he only got on the field because the starting QB got injured.
Dan Marino is largely regarded as one of the best QBs in history. Did you know that he averaged 21 interceptions in 7 of his first 10 years? In a 17 game season, that would be 23 interceptions a year. Sometimes you have to let rookie QBs develop instead of expecting out-of-box excellence.
Great video! Some main points. There are an extremely tiny minority of generational talent QBs EVER available in the draft. I’m a big fan of letting QBs sit behind a veteran for 2 years or play in a developmental league. They need time to learn, to be coached up and developed before they ever step on an NFL field Second, the guys around the QB; the O line and the skill positions are EXTREMELY important. When you add the combination of no experience and no talent surrounding you, it’s a recipe for failure. If I’m a GM, I’ll find a veteran guy, I’ll try to upgrade the receiver position, RB, and O line. Most QBs can succeed if they have talent around them. I might go veteran and cheap at the QB position and build around it instead of taking a big risk and breaking the bank reaching for something that isn’t there. Learn from the Panthers and Browns experience. Last of all , I want to ESTABLISH THE RUN. A good running game is a young QBs best friend, use play action, control the clock and the tempo and simplify things as much as possible early so that young QB can build some confidence. I’ll eventually take the training wheels off but my emphasis is not to have my guy out there trying to do too much. One guy cannot and should not be the “savior “. It is a team game and everyone must do their part
Even if JJ McCarthy hadn't injured himself the Vikings had planned to sit him for most of the season to learn from the bench and while I would've liked to have seen him at some point this season, this could ultimately prove to be the best thing for him and the team in the long run.
@@DTS_I I think he was worse in his second year. At least in his rookie year he had a few decent games like the Titans game and the Bucs game. In his second year the games against the pats in foxboro and the jags on Thursday night was some of the worst qb play Ive ever seen, and I’ve Seena. Lot bad qb play as a jets fan
It’s almost impossible for a college QB, no matter how good they are, to come in and be a starter and a star their first year. Once in a while someone like CJ comes along and breaks the mold. But mostly they fail if they’re just thrown into the NFL as a starter.
It's not a Rookie problem, it's a system problem. Used to be even 1st round QBs would sit a year (or two) before taking field. Now they're thrown to the Wolves straight from draft and they're just not ready!🏈
They need time to learn under someone. What if the NFL creates a QB development program for a year. Bring back some older guys and teach them. Like Cousins sitting above Penix.
Paddy Mahomes sat an entire year before starting. Brady sat, Rodgers sat for 3 plus years, Steve Young, Jordan Love the list goes on and on. There a very, very few that can start right away and be productive especially on bad teams.
Here is my solution: -Expand the practice squad to 35 players - Have them be the B team - Put the young QBs on that team to give them playing time - 12 game seasons like in college - Hybrid rules between college and the NFL - Allow them to join the main roster if ready
Tis 68 power 5 programs in college. Eliminate the weakest 8 and then assign 2 power 5 teams to each NFL team to use like a minor league system. Like cal and Stanford to the 49ers. Especially with the kids getting paid now. The NFL teams sign/draft the kids out of high school and go from there. One "school" could be like double a with the other being triple a
We as a football culture have a problem with these rookie QBs because we expect them all to play like CJ Stroud. For example Bo Nix himself isn’t that good, he has a trash team around him (including Payton) and he also played two pretty good Defense the first two weeks. It’s hard to go into Seattle and win. He’s playing the Bucs and Jets coming up in the next two weeks….yeah good luck with that!! P.s. I’m a Broncos fan
Recent years? Try never!!! It's imperative that a rookie QB needs to hold a clipboard and ride the bench in the rookee year and learn how to be a professional football player first and then apprentice at the QB for a year and he'll be up to game speed. That's the biggest difference between the pro game and college. A speed factor of 10, without learning to survive at high speed, is learning to fail!
It’s like the 2021 QB draft all over again. All that potential pissed away because of poor development and bad teams, wanting to rush their quarterbacks to quick.
Yeah look at the packers they get a guy and let him sit behind someone great so they hopefully can absorb some of that knowledge. As a Pats fan Brissett might not be the best but he’s showing how to fight. Maye will probably get in this year tho the Oline can barely keep our boy upright
@@Chunkyb514 Was just gonna say, no clue if he’ll have a better advantage than the current rookie QBs that’re potentially losing their confidence, but I’m originally from Michigan so wishing him the best. McCarthyism will prevail!
@@connormarlin6429 He has KOC as his coach and fits his scheme as a QB. His work ethic and attitude has me confident he’ll be good. This is the first time I feel confident in a QB we’ve drafted.
it's not an NFL problem it's a NCAA problem all these young QB's aren't being taught the fundamentals like center exchanges and pocket presence in college anymore and they're being left with huge learning curves to adjust to, with a massive jump in talent from their opponents
This has been going on for a LONG time, man. Look at the 1999 draft. 5 QBs in the first round...picks 1-3 were QBs...Only 2 even became solid QBs with a pro bowl season or two. Picks #1, #3, and #12 were complete busts. 1998 - Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf went 1 and 2. Peyton is a HOF QB and Leaf is one of the biggest draft busts in history. I'm sure Peyton is hoping Bo Nix keeps keeps throwing picks and breaks his rookie INT record.
I think a big thing is they are playing against the final form of the 2 high safety. The defense that has been evolving to this point for over 10 years.
I think it should be against the rules to allow a rookie QB to start a game if you have a more veteran guy on the roster. You cannot teach the NFL game to a 20 year old kid in half a single off-season. They dont know how to play this game. It's not close to the same thing as anything they have done before. They. Need. Time. To. Adjust. Name the top 5 QB of the last 40 years, then name the guys on that list that started as a rookie. 1 match. You get 1 match, Manning, and he had an absolutely horrible season that year.
The main problem is QBs are overvalued coming out of college. Everyone wants to draft 4th round talent in the first round and that will make that franchise forever trash if the QB doesn't pan out.
This, hell even Geno had that problem (and he was the *second* QB off the board behind E.J. Manuel), in the mid 2000s he would have been a mid-round pick. Dudes are getting overdrafted every year, hell I just saw a mock draft that had Cam Ward at #2, followed by Moss, Dart, Beck, and Nussmeier. How many legit first round QBs do you see there? That's the QB spot in general, it's the football version of baseball hitters who get "make-good" long-term deals, whether they actually warrant it or not, for years of being in arbitration. It's also why you have QBs eating up 10-15% of the cap.
And his team is either the same or WORSE at every position compared to last year. They have zero upgrades outside of Ekeler and Wagner and Ekeler isn't even starting
NFL is an entirely diferent level. Only the vey best college players and they had more years of training and development. It is like expecting every high school QB to light them up in college
We do need to stop expecting rookie quarterbacks to turn over a franchise by themselves because it’s literally possible to do so and it’s a heavy burden they shouldn’t have to bear! For example to me; Bryce Young has no help in Carolina! NO HELP at all! Offensive line? Atrocious. Receivers? Couldn’t separate from their defender like a toxic EX. Running game? There was none so it was 10 v 11 every play out there like seriously the team was just atrocious. Overall we need to sit rookie QB’s for a couple of years or longer because rookie quarterbacks don’t need to be Superman for these terrible organizations!
It's not a problem this is how its supposed to be. You playing in the NFL bro yall forget that statistically only 1/3 of NFL QBs drafted actually work out? This the highest level of football and you're playing the position that can be the hardest depending on your situation which is the case for most highly drafted QBs.
2020 was the last solid QB class, I think they set the precedent that these rookies always need to come out swinging and that’s not normal. Pat Mahomes sat for a year before he started and look at him now, they need to develop in the pro system before just taking the field in their rookie season and expected to win all their games and a division lol, not everyone is CJ Stroud dammit lol
Yup 2020 class raised the bar. The top 3 QBs in that class did well or better in their rookie season. Then hurts the following year looked good and now Love is playing good. 2020 class will probably go down one of the best QB class of wll time. Before it was like 1 or 2 rookie QB decent, and rare for an elite rookie QB to play. The 2020 had 3.
I think is and isn’t an NFL problem. I honestly think the NFL needs to be investigated or have teams investigated. The last 20 years it’s been the same teams that are always drafting high; Raiders, Commanders/Red Skins, Bears, Browns, Jaguars are just a few. I think the Commander investigation hid a horrible truth about the NFL, some organizations are not trying to win, they just want money.
Tom tried to tell yal lol. That’s all it is now they just want these rookies to come in and instantly be the savior of the franchise without giving them Time To develop and learn before putting them out there
Wow, maybe its because all of these rookie qbs, on TOP of being rookies, are literally on the worst 3 nfl teams in the league ! How is this stuff even a talking point lol
Chicago has a good roster. He has two good receivers, Allen and Moore. Swift has been a good RB. Their defense is good. Chicago has a roster that any QB should thrive in. Carolina has decent weapons. Johnson and Thielen and chubbard isn't bad. Watch Dalton goes for like 250 yards 2 TDs. Problem is the 2020 QB class set the bar so high, everyone expect these QBs to be as good as Burrow, Herbert and Tua was in their first two seasons. Even Hurts was better on his 2nd year and took off by his 3rd season. Now look at Love. 2020 have like 5 of the top 10 QBs in the league and everyone expect these new QBs to be that good. Bad enough CJ was as good as he was making expectations to be that good and if they arent in their first 2 seasons, theyre a bust.
@@blackfreud9048 excuses excuses excuses and more excuses. The niners are a great team & still lost to the chiefs . American football is a team sport this isn’t tennis
@@MarktheGreenLantern You obviously don’t know football. Keep listening to ESPN. This kid can play. I saw Montana play. Brock can do what he did. He knows the game, is kool under fire, and has the athleticism to get it done. Joe and Steve agree with me. You are a system thinker. Brock beat Brady and Rogers. He woulda beat Mahomes, except for ‘4th and 1.’ Mahomes was drafted into a “system” that lets him cook. Brock led the league, statistically, last year in QB efficiency. Brock QB’d the 9ers to two NFCs in two years. With all these, supposed “hot” rookies flailing, Brock saved Kyle’s job as “Mr. Irrelevant!” But, then you think you know what you’re talking about. You don’t. Enjoy the season, you might learn something. Maybe. Go Niners!
@@blackfreud9048 and you obviously don’t comprehend that this is a team sport . Not tennis . Also who are you trying to convince me or you? You’re entitled to your own opinion and have mine. So chill out
Bryce has Theilen and Johnson two of at worst top 20 WR last season. Guaranteed Dalton gets around 250 yards and 2 TD. Problem is these rookies arent ready to take it to the next level, being thrown in the fire when they need time to adjust to the NFL.
@@KYtheKaptain I'm very confident about my football knowledge. you might want to pick up a book for yourself if you think Caleb is going to be a good QB.
As a bears fan I think people need to chill on Caleb. He has not looked good obviously but it’s the guys second nfl game let him play the whole season and then we can see if he has potential to be a franchise qb or not
CALEB in college was never accurate,never had to throw at tight windows,never was in the pocket,and was almost always the better athlete than his defenders! EXACTLY WHAT HE IS NOW AT THE NFL !!!! Your Welcome
It’s like the 2021 QB draft all over again. All that potential pissed away because of poor development and bad teams, wanting to rush their quarterbacks to quick.
It’s almost like the Falcons made the right decision drafting the guy who throws the prettiest ball in CFB and letting him develop for 2 years under Kirk
That’s how you’re supposed to do it. A lot of the greatest qbs started off by sitting behind a good/great qb to develop and learn. These other sorry teams just expect rookies to be Brady in 2007😂
No that man too old to be sitting for years behind Kurt and he'll be like 27 years old years old making his first start and secondly people acting like this it's some kind of crisis we just had a couple young quarterbacks not do good and struggle and now all of a sudden it's a big problem it's really not penix was still a bad choice
@@nottodayimbusy7146 This is probably the most moronic comment I’ve ever seen. You must some sort of hater or something because no way your that slow.
I think the only problem is that Penix is old, if they drafted a different QB in a later round who has potential but needs to sit back, then yeah ofc great pick, but a QB in the first round while you just signed a QB in at least a 3 year deal leaves Penix at 28 if he starts playing
@@nottodayimbusy7146 you smooth brains act like 27-28 is old when on average that’s when most athletes hit their peak. That’s the perfect age to step in a be a starting qb. No way you are this smooth brained😂 Plus based on college film and stats Penix is one of the more NFL ready QB’s of all the rookies. Learn ball.
The NFL needs to go back to when they would sit a rookie QB for a year or two before they start.
Exactly
100%. A rookie QB starting on day 1 should be an exception, not the rule!
@@Smido83 Like CJ Stroud what he did in his rookies season isn't the standard for all rookie QB
@@Deriv44 Right. And yet, I think it wouldve been better if he wouldve sat behind a vet for a while as well. Call it pure talent, or just luck! Probably a bit of both... But if a view plays go the other way, a view more sacks (doesnt look good this year with 7 after 2 games) and he couldve lost his confidence as well. Its allways a gamble.
Wow, it's almost like Green Bay knew what to do with Jordan Love lol
Wtf. TB12 nailed it... these rookies are expected to come in and be great in their 1st year in the NFL, and that's virtually impossible. Almost all of them need time to learn and develop. Stroud is an outlier... one in a thousand. Everyone else is merely human. Give them a friggin chance!
They need time to develop. The pressure put on them right out of college is too much
It's not an NFL problem as much as it's a couple of teams in the NFL that decided to throw a rookies into a s*** situation and watch him suffer. The Chicago bears and the Carolina Panthers do a crap job of managing their teams they go out and try to get these All-Star wide receivers to supposedly help their quarterbacks when really what they need to do is secure the offensive line
literally, theyre on like bottom 3 teams and people are like "holy shit they suck" maybe it doesnt help they are on god awful teams?
Agreed!!! Saw Fields trying to run for his life for 2 years in Chicago. He was set up for failure there
The bears thought there situation was better sure looked good on paper I expect a trade for a lineman
@@jameshollister8294 I would have kept Justin fields and traded the number one draft pick for some proven offensive line veterans and maybe a few second and third round picks
Its been like that for years. Thats how you get the first overall pick. But now its just horrible. We saw Herbert, burrow, thrive with what they got. I would say purdy too butt that team was loaded
Problem was the 2020 Rookie QBs thrived and even for 2nd year QB of that Draft class did so well and teams are trying to recreate it.
People have forgotten what a horrible first season John Elway had in Denver. Here's a reminder: he had a passer rating of 54.9 with 1,663 yards, 7 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 11 games and had a 4-6 record in his rookie season in 1983. In his first game he actually lined up under the wrong offensive lineman and was 1-for-8 for 14 yards, was sacked four times and threw an interception. This isn't to say that every sensational college QB will eventually be a John Elway, it's just that they often struggle while they get their bearings in the NFL.
As a Seahawks fan I witnessed Russell Wilson win 11 games in first season but he was put in a good system played with in himself was not asked to do it by himself he had Marshawn Lynch. U need a run game to survive as a rookie until u become confident with your pass game not many players can be great passers in year one you need balance. Instead of drafting WR u need to get your team a run game and run blockers to help young QBs look at all the good offenses this season they have a run game.
About 98% of the guys you play against in college won't be drafted, much less make an NFL team. The level of competition is nowhere near comparable, no matter whether you're coming out of the best program in college or the worst.
Yes
The NFL and most of it's fans have an expectations problem.
The hype driven media has its part on this
there are a few problems
->one, QB is often overdrafted.
->two, we've had some tremendous first round hits recently; herbert, watson, stroud all were generationally good in thier rookie years
when you combine no.1 with no.2 you get an environment where QBs REALLY get overdrafted. there was not 6 first round QBs in the last draft (I know there was 6 drafted), there was 2 or 3 at most. but a bunch of 2nd or 3rd rounders ended up going in round one. in fact the only QB in the past draft who should have went in the top 10 was Daniels the other two first round talents were no better then last 1st rounders. at best.
Daniels shouldn’t be lumped in with Caleb and Nix. He’s played very efficiently, and had a clutch 34yd pass and a nice scramble on the game winning drive.
Daniels looks quite good
He haven’t even thrown a touchdown yet 🙃🙃
@@MarktheGreenLantern but if u watch him, he just looks different. Yes he is throwing check downs. But he is a bit like Goff where he can dominate at check downs cuz he has the height to see over the middle. Also, the league knows he through a beautiful deep ball, they respect it. I didn’t really understand his skill set in the draft process, but I think this kid will start in the nfl for 12 years.
@@chevy4x466 let’s focus on the present lol
He's a great runner, but all he does is check downs . We'll see if he develops a passing game, but I won't bet on it
Maybe they should Copy what the packers done. Sit down Quarterback 2 to 3 years have them Learn how to play in the NFL. I do believe that some teams are forcing young Rookie Quarterbacks to play when they are not ready. Yes they Great in college but in the NFL it's a new ball game. 😞
Its because QBs suck today honestly. They arent taught how to be NFL ready in their mechanics and timing in college so when they come to the NFL, they look lost and out of their element.
Part of it is the fault of the fans (including people in this comments section).......fans want these guys rushed onto the field Week 1 and not settle for a QB like an Andy Dalton or a Sam Darnold or a Kirk Cousins or a Jacoby Brisset as your starter so that the rookie can learn. Its a RIGHT NOW mentality from the NFL and the fans that are killing these QBs.
Idc i like will levis when he stops being dumb...but anyways we need more good Qbs in NFl
Admittedly even I believe that you should at least sit the rookie QB for a year but if the success of the Packers ain't going to go off of maybe these teams really should sit there quarterback behind some kind of veteran for 3 years the Green Bay Packers have had what is it almost 30 years of top QB play clearly they're doing something right.
Green bay doing something right
@@DeeMedia21 exactly Green Bay has been doing right by their quarterbacks for almost 30 years and it shows what have we seen from the Green Bay Packers in the past 30 years the Packers have produced Brett favre Aaron Rodgers and now Jordan love what's one thing they all have in common they sat behind the previous quarterback for 3 years.
So whichever quarterback my Carolina Panthers get in the next draft I am going to advocate for them to sit behind a veteran quarterback for at least 3 years before we actually throw them out there.
Also Tom Brady he famously didn't play immediately either I can't remember how long he sat behind the previous quarterback I think it was also similarly 3 years and he only got on the field because the starting QB got injured.
Dan Marino is largely regarded as one of the best QBs in history. Did you know that he averaged 21 interceptions in 7 of his first 10 years? In a 17 game season, that would be 23 interceptions a year. Sometimes you have to let rookie QBs develop instead of expecting out-of-box excellence.
Peyton Manning threw for 27 ints his first year lol
Great video! Some main points. There are an extremely tiny minority of generational talent QBs EVER available in the draft. I’m a big fan of letting QBs sit behind a veteran for 2 years or play in a developmental league. They need time to learn, to be coached up and developed before they ever step on an NFL field Second, the guys around the QB; the O line and the skill positions are EXTREMELY important. When you add the combination of no experience and no talent surrounding you, it’s a recipe for failure. If I’m a GM, I’ll find a veteran guy, I’ll try to upgrade the receiver position, RB, and O line. Most QBs can succeed if they have talent around them. I might go veteran and cheap at the QB position and build around it instead of taking a big risk and breaking the bank reaching for something that isn’t there. Learn from the Panthers and Browns experience. Last of all , I want to ESTABLISH THE RUN. A good running game is a young QBs best friend, use play action, control the clock and the tempo and simplify things as much as possible early so that young QB can build some confidence. I’ll eventually take the training wheels off but my emphasis is not to have my guy out there trying to do too much. One guy cannot and should not be the “savior “. It is a team game and everyone must do their part
Even if JJ McCarthy hadn't injured himself the Vikings had planned to sit him for most of the season to learn from the bench and while I would've liked to have seen him at some point this season, this could ultimately prove to be the best thing for him and the team in the long run.
I tried to warn everyone that this class could be similar to the 2021 class. Now look where we are
U were right unfortunately 😂
Dawg it's been two weeks💀💀
@@nateypac11 not saying they can’t turn it around, but they haven’t been good so far
@@ErikCB912Zach Wilson in particular was historically bad as a rookie QB.
@@DTS_I I think he was worse in his second year. At least in his rookie year he had a few decent games like the Titans game and the Bucs game. In his second year the games against the pats in foxboro and the jags on Thursday night was some of the worst qb play Ive ever seen, and I’ve Seena. Lot bad qb play as a jets fan
The only thing that needs to be fixed is the fans expectations. Rookie quarterbacks taking the league by storm is the exception, not the rule.
Very few QBs can recover from a terrible rookie season. That’s why guys like Peyton Manning and John Elway were so special
It’s almost impossible for a college QB, no matter how good they are, to come in and be a starter and a star their first year. Once in a while someone like CJ comes along and breaks the mold. But mostly they fail if they’re just thrown into the NFL as a starter.
This was a really interesting video. Thanks for this! Hope you develop more on this topic! This was great!
It's not a Rookie problem, it's a system problem. Used to be even 1st round QBs would sit a year (or two) before taking field. Now they're thrown to the Wolves straight from draft and they're just not ready!🏈
They need time to learn under someone. What if the NFL creates a QB development program for a year. Bring back some older guys and teach them. Like Cousins sitting above Penix.
Paddy Mahomes sat an entire year before starting. Brady sat, Rodgers sat for 3 plus years, Steve Young, Jordan Love the list goes on and on. There a very, very few that can start right away and be productive especially on bad teams.
JD5 is doing fine. Washington has the best plan to bring him along.
Here is my solution:
-Expand the practice squad to 35 players
- Have them be the B team
- Put the young QBs on that team to give them playing time
- 12 game seasons like in college
- Hybrid rules between college and the NFL
- Allow them to join the main roster if ready
Well said brother
Tis 68 power 5 programs in college. Eliminate the weakest 8 and then assign 2 power 5 teams to each NFL team to use like a minor league system. Like cal and Stanford to the 49ers. Especially with the kids getting paid now. The NFL teams sign/draft the kids out of high school and go from there. One "school" could be like double a with the other being triple a
Thanks for the VDO CAPN OBVIOUS.
We as a football culture have a problem with these rookie QBs because we expect them all to play like CJ Stroud. For example Bo Nix himself isn’t that good, he has a trash team around him (including Payton) and he also played two pretty good Defense the first two weeks. It’s hard to go into Seattle and win. He’s playing the Bucs and Jets coming up in the next two weeks….yeah good luck with that!!
P.s. I’m a Broncos fan
The bucs and jets have pretty decent defenses . These rookies need to sit and learn the game
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Recent years? Try never!!! It's imperative that a rookie QB needs to hold a clipboard and ride the bench in the rookee year and learn how to be a professional football player first and then apprentice at the QB for a year and he'll be up to game speed. That's the biggest difference between the pro game and college. A speed factor of 10, without learning to survive at high speed, is learning to fail!
People like to talk about how Jayden hasn’t thrown a tr yet. But at least he’s not turning the ball over. I’ll twke that
It’s like the 2021 QB draft all over again. All that potential pissed away because of poor development and bad teams, wanting to rush their quarterbacks to quick.
As a Pats fan in favor of sitting Drake Maye I have felt so vindicated these past two weeks
Yeah look at the packers they get a guy and let him sit behind someone great so they hopefully can absorb some of that knowledge. As a Pats fan Brissett might not be the best but he’s showing how to fight. Maye will probably get in this year tho the Oline can barely keep our boy upright
As a falcons fan in favor of letting Penix develop for 2 years, I’m with you
As a Vikings fan, I’m happy McCarthy gets to sit a year. I wish he was able to get reps in practice though.
@@Chunkyb514 Was just gonna say, no clue if he’ll have a better advantage than the current rookie QBs that’re potentially losing their confidence, but I’m originally from Michigan so wishing him the best. McCarthyism will prevail!
@@connormarlin6429 He has KOC as his coach and fits his scheme as a QB. His work ethic and attitude has me confident he’ll be good. This is the first time I feel confident in a QB we’ve drafted.
Sit rookie QBs the first year! CJ Stroud is a rare breed!
Players over hyped? No in the nfl? Hype dominates football now.
it's not an NFL problem it's a NCAA problem all these young QB's aren't being taught the fundamentals like center exchanges and pocket presence in college anymore and they're being left with huge learning curves to adjust to, with a massive jump in talent from their opponents
This has been going on for a LONG time, man. Look at the 1999 draft. 5 QBs in the first round...picks 1-3 were QBs...Only 2 even became solid QBs with a pro bowl season or two. Picks #1, #3, and #12 were complete busts. 1998 - Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf went 1 and 2. Peyton is a HOF QB and Leaf is one of the biggest draft busts in history. I'm sure Peyton is hoping Bo Nix keeps keeps throwing picks and breaks his rookie INT record.
I think a big thing is they are playing against the final form of the 2 high safety. The defense that has been evolving to this point for over 10 years.
"Phantom individual" 😂
I think it should be against the rules to allow a rookie QB to start a game if you have a more veteran guy on the roster. You cannot teach the NFL game to a 20 year old kid in half a single off-season. They dont know how to play this game. It's not close to the same thing as anything they have done before. They. Need. Time. To. Adjust. Name the top 5 QB of the last 40 years, then name the guys on that list that started as a rookie. 1 match. You get 1 match, Manning, and he had an absolutely horrible season that year.
I will still heavily overhype Bo nix😂 Aye solid video tho.
Love your takes and philosophy. Hope your channel takes off
Thank you sm
Stroud and Purdy looked nice in their rookie years
The main problem is QBs are overvalued coming out of college. Everyone wants to draft 4th round talent in the first round and that will make that franchise forever trash if the QB doesn't pan out.
This, hell even Geno had that problem (and he was the *second* QB off the board behind E.J. Manuel), in the mid 2000s he would have been a mid-round pick. Dudes are getting overdrafted every year, hell I just saw a mock draft that had Cam Ward at #2, followed by Moss, Dart, Beck, and Nussmeier. How many legit first round QBs do you see there?
That's the QB spot in general, it's the football version of baseball hitters who get "make-good" long-term deals, whether they actually warrant it or not, for years of being in arbitration. It's also why you have QBs eating up 10-15% of the cap.
Jayden Daniels is playing pretty good
And his team is either the same or WORSE at every position compared to last year. They have zero upgrades outside of Ekeler and Wagner and Ekeler isn't even starting
They need to sit like the old days.
This was posted I believe before Malik’s starts if not then I mean you see what he’s able to do with a coach who’s elite schematically
NFL is an entirely diferent level. Only the vey best college players and they had more years of training and development. It is like expecting every high school QB to light them up in college
We do need to stop expecting rookie quarterbacks to turn over a franchise by themselves because it’s literally possible to do so and it’s a heavy burden they shouldn’t have to bear!
For example to me; Bryce Young has no help in Carolina! NO HELP at all! Offensive line? Atrocious.
Receivers? Couldn’t separate from their defender like a toxic EX.
Running game? There was none so it was 10 v 11 every play out there like seriously the team was just atrocious.
Overall we need to sit rookie QB’s for a couple of years or longer because rookie quarterbacks don’t need to be Superman for these terrible organizations!
It's not a problem this is how its supposed to be. You playing in the NFL bro yall forget that statistically only 1/3 of NFL QBs drafted actually work out? This the highest level of football and you're playing the position that can be the hardest depending on your situation which is the case for most highly drafted QBs.
there is a reason why in past most rookies wouldnt even see the field on the first year
2020 was the last solid QB class, I think they set the precedent that these rookies always need to come out swinging and that’s not normal. Pat Mahomes sat for a year before he started and look at him now, they need to develop in the pro system before just taking the field in their rookie season and expected to win all their games and a division lol, not everyone is CJ Stroud dammit lol
Yup 2020 class raised the bar. The top 3 QBs in that class did well or better in their rookie season. Then hurts the following year looked good and now Love is playing good. 2020 class will probably go down one of the best QB class of wll time. Before it was like 1 or 2 rookie QB decent, and rare for an elite rookie QB to play. The 2020 had 3.
Actually Pat sat for a few years lol behind Alex
@@MarktheGreenLantern Pat was drafted in 2017 and started in 2018 after Alex Smith went to Washington
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We just gonna act like Daniels and Nix didn't ball out?
There are a few freaks who transition fine to the NFL but most need to sit and adjust. Pro is way harder than college.
Oh a rookie QB isn't ready yet surprise! They actually used to patiently develop them now they throw them to the dogs the media and fans!
Rookies are Rookies. It has only been two games. Give these players some time. Everyone isn't ready to play.
Ummm Jayden Daniels is killin it!!!!!!!
I think is and isn’t an NFL problem. I honestly think the NFL needs to be investigated or have teams investigated. The last 20 years it’s been the same teams that are always drafting high; Raiders, Commanders/Red Skins, Bears, Browns, Jaguars are just a few. I think the Commander investigation hid a horrible truth about the NFL, some organizations are not trying to win, they just want money.
lol investigated … Just call a spade a spade !! They suck!! Flat out shitty
Tom tried to tell yal lol. That’s all it is now they just want these rookies to come in and instantly be the savior of the franchise without giving them
Time
To develop and learn before putting them out there
This ain't pac 12 defense for u honey
We are only 2 games into the season.
Bo Nix looks great.
Patriots and Falcons: 😏
Well said
because they aren’t ready they are getting sent out not being under any vet
Look man, its only goin on week 3, no need for panic😂😂😂. wait till week 8
They need to sit & actually not throwing a touchdown in the first few weeks are crazy lol 😂
I never seen that in my 20 plus years of watching the nfl
Hype? You have a first year QB at Nebraska already hyped as Mahommes 2.0 after his first game.
It’s been two games…
Nice vid man Bo nix is just ass because he’s 24 with no upside and terrible play calling
are you on social media?
The best one in the draft our for the year injured
Wow, maybe its because all of these rookie qbs, on TOP of being rookies, are literally on the worst 3 nfl teams in the league ! How is this stuff even a talking point lol
Chicago has a good roster. He has two good receivers, Allen and Moore. Swift has been a good RB. Their defense is good. Chicago has a roster that any QB should thrive in. Carolina has decent weapons. Johnson and Thielen and chubbard isn't bad. Watch Dalton goes for like 250 yards 2 TDs. Problem is the 2020 QB class set the bar so high, everyone expect these QBs to be as good as Burrow, Herbert and Tua was in their first two seasons. Even Hurts was better on his 2nd year and took off by his 3rd season. Now look at Love. 2020 have like 5 of the top 10 QBs in the league and everyone expect these new QBs to be that good. Bad enough CJ was as good as he was making expectations to be that good and if they arent in their first 2 seasons, theyre a bust.
@@blowc1612 ahhh of course the bears with the good roster, that’s why they’ve been a poverty team since Devin Hester
@@HoonTurd that's a dumb statement. You CLEARLY clueless.
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Kinda makes ya appreciate Brock Purdy, huh?
He’s a system qb
@@MarktheGreenLantern who was beating Mahomes in the SB till the OL and the D gave it away.
@@blackfreud9048 excuses excuses excuses and more excuses. The niners are a great team & still lost to the chiefs . American football is a team sport this isn’t tennis
@@MarktheGreenLantern You obviously don’t know football. Keep listening to ESPN. This kid can play. I saw Montana play. Brock can do what he did. He knows the game, is kool under fire, and has the athleticism to get it done. Joe and Steve agree with me. You are a system thinker. Brock beat Brady and Rogers. He woulda beat Mahomes, except for ‘4th and 1.’ Mahomes was drafted into a “system” that lets him cook. Brock led the league, statistically, last year in QB efficiency. Brock QB’d the 9ers to two NFCs in two years. With all these, supposed “hot” rookies flailing, Brock saved Kyle’s job as “Mr. Irrelevant!” But, then you think you know what you’re talking about. You don’t. Enjoy the season, you might learn something. Maybe. Go Niners!
@@blackfreud9048 and you obviously don’t comprehend that this is a team sport . Not tennis . Also who are you trying to convince me or you? You’re entitled to your own opinion and have mine. So chill out
Close your drawers 😭
Not Jayden Daniel's
Gotta stop acting like the qb will solve alk the problems they need a team its a team sport
Uh drop back throw it to the other team😂😂😂. Simple lmfao
Go back to rookies development
I know Calib is going to be a bust. He has the play makers around him but dude is a diva. Bryce has nothing around him
Just say you know nothing about football. Dont just spew nonsense😂
@@KYtheKaptainYeah Caleb is so amazing with his 0td to 2 picks such a great future HOF QB right
@@KHFN_YT You’re too young to have this conversation bro just relax and go play madden or something.
Bryce has Theilen and Johnson two of at worst top 20 WR last season. Guaranteed Dalton gets around 250 yards and 2 TD. Problem is these rookies arent ready to take it to the next level, being thrown in the fire when they need time to adjust to the NFL.
@@KYtheKaptain I'm very confident about my football knowledge. you might want to pick up a book for yourself if you think Caleb is going to be a good QB.
As a bears fan I think people need to chill on Caleb. He has not looked good obviously but it’s the guys second nfl game let him play the whole season and then we can see if he has potential to be a franchise qb or not
I told everyone 8 months ago that he would be a bust. He is.
CALEB in college was never accurate,never had to throw at tight windows,never was in the pocket,and was almost always the better athlete than his defenders! EXACTLY WHAT HE IS NOW AT THE NFL !!!! Your Welcome
Brady said something similar. The new qbs are horrible. They just athletes but they are slow mentally
It's a OL talent coming out of college noone wants to play OL.
Put stroud in carolina he will fail
It’s like the 2021 QB draft all over again. All that potential pissed away because of poor development and bad teams, wanting to rush their quarterbacks to quick.