Creating boss as attractive white guy seems negate the 'zoomer gangster' trope. You will definitely feel that way if you play as the default boss. That look 🙄🙄
Saints row not possible, neither for sleeping dogs because the owners of the sleeping dogs went bankrupt because of the online play that went flop, if a company remembers sleeping dogs and decides to make a sequel then maybe it can comeback but right now it’s not possible for both and only sleeping dogs can potentionally comeback
It is a shame, But completely unsurprising. The woke crusaders are trying to go after every single game/game franchise out there, So at the end of the day the best thing to do is just to stick to the older games in my opinion. Ever since they've been pushing woke messages in video games I've been focusing on older games and I've really been enjoying either revisiting the older games that I grew up with (Half Life, Portal, Team Fortress, Bioshock) or visiting older games that I haven't played but have high praise.
I consider all this stuff to be what I call "low attention span content". It's what happens when a creator (whether a TV show, a UA-cam video, a movie, whatever) doesn't trust its audience to stay engaged by the subject itself and feels the need to throw in sounds and graphics and things popping onto the screen or edited into the video and so forth to keep them watching. I'm not saying that this was necessarily the intent here, but it happens and I cannot stand it. If a video is going to throw cute little drawings on the screen or repeatedly cut to images of memes to emphasize a point or underline every cutaway with a click or whoosh, I'm just going to turn it off. Shit gets on my nerves.
It wasn’t creative, it wasn’t unique, it definitely didn’t try to push any boundaries gameplay or comedy wise. It didn’t know what it wanted to be. It had nothing the old games had
it tried to appeal to a new market and it failed miserably. The kind of people who play Saints Row game are NOT interested in DEI or P.C. or any other woke crap.
Saints Row 2 was the crown jewel of the franchise. It was a mix of comedy and still had a serious real-world tone to it. Saints Row 3 went full cartoon, killed the franchise. They limited clothing combinations, took clothing slots away and the story made the characters unlikeable. Thank God fun Shaundi was a thing. 4 and the remake were total trash.
It kills me inside, cause apparently they wanted to do like a 70 30 split, of saints row 2 and 3, SR2 story and feel, with SR3 over the top set pieces. Which is perfect for me cause I think 2 and 3 are the best in the series.
I remember the representative or whatever u call them was literally on twitter arguing with everybody and getting mad at the fans because the fans hated the direction the reboot was going in and pretty much told the fans to fuck off….and they did.. fucked off so bad the company had to close its doors 😅
Can't get jiggy with it. Played the beginning about 5 times. Each time something grabs my attention more than the game. Now it's sitting in my library. This was legit this week lmao
I remember the Devs saying it gets better after a while trust us. So I thought and hoped that maybe the trailer was a miss direct, maybe after the first mission the camera pulls back and it's Shaundi playing a video game, throwing the controller saying "This sucks" or something equally as witty, but that never happened. I didn't mind the idea of a reboot, I was even prepared for new characters, I just wasn't prepared for these characters, or the story, or the writing.
literally! They did the exact opposite of what we wanted and lost all their players. If not all, then most. Saints Row 2 and Saints Row 1 is what I still play to this day.
Honestly don’t understand why companies do this. You spend all those years developing an IPs name, get a fan base who’s loyal to it and then immediately change it and you expect it to go well?
Im 27 and have been playing the franchise since the beginning. The new game was fine. Most people played saints row for the customization and open world. If you want a story driven gangster game, try mafia or gta
@@The.420.Riders but that was what people loved about saints row. The gang story and the wacky characters everyone fell in love with in saints row 2. They veered too far from that and became something completely different. You can’t just pull in a fan base and then flip everything on its head and tell them hey if you want this back then go find it somewhere else. Thats exactly why the saints row franchise is dead lmao.
"How did the parent studio go under because of one failed game?" - It didn't. It went under because of a series of poorly managed choices. The talent that used to exist were gone, or have moved beyond their interests in the past. They then wanted to make games they wanted to create, but players didn't want to play. Lack of leadership and so on. What actually killed the studio was that the Saudi investor pulled out last second which lead to the collapse. They had mismanaged the company to the point the investor was the only hope they had.
@Cloud_Seeker This comment, here. The reboot was bad, but it didn't completely destroy Volition; it just gave Embracer Group a good enough and perfectly justified reason to not keep them around.
Basically the old devs grew up and wanted to make stuff like Starfield. Honestly wondered why they didn't just bring in some new blood who grew up on Saints Row to continue it while the old heads could go make their dad game.
All they have to do is make it gangster again🤦🏾♂️ why are they making it complicated.. a regular gangster saints row with a great storyline like 1 & 2 will make Og & New fans happy
My saints row wish list Bring Saint Row I to PC Fix Saints Row 2 on PC and include all the Missing content/DLC make the multiplayer work again on the old ones for local play or something like that and after all of that lets the series rest in piece, cause we got all the best things preserved
I believe Saints Row, should have listened and went back to it roots and told us a Prequel story to the original game. Ending with you being a young Julius, finding all of your soldiers, GAT, Troy, Aisha, and Dex.
Shit I was pissed off that a new game was being worked on we all knew that it was was a waste of time and money at least gave the decency to give us the damn patch before you go bankrupt like a bunch idiots who looked at this during development and said yeah a kid could have predicted this outcome
I don't know if Activision owns the IP anymore. I think that's where United Front came in and bought it and changed the name to Sleeping Dogs. Activision slept hard on that one. Literally a timeless classic. Besides, rumor has it that Sweet Baby helped GTA6 with dialogue. If that's true, it's pretty much open grounds for anybody to make an open world crime title and compete.
I will never understand the trend of rebooting a popular franchise to appeal exclusively to new fans instead of the old ones. The right approach would be either do something that appeals to both or just the old ones. If all you want are new fans, then create a new IP. It'd be cheaper, you'd have more control and you wouldn't risk losing existing customers. Why change the established one to alienate an existing fanbase for the _possibility_ of attracting a new one? It's such an insane idea, it never works and companies keep doing it.
Well, I have a hard time feeling sympathy. They split the fanbase with SR3 and since then, one half of the fanbase, including me, told them time and time again to go back to the roots with the 90's gang culture. And what did we get? Aliens, Hell, Agents of Mayhem and the Reboot.
The thing that GTA has never changed its roots to some superficial stuffs , they've just enhanced the graphics , add details , new features , but the game has always been the same ❤
The part about take 2 acquiring the saints row team should have you worried though. Starting to see things similar to what killed saints row appearing in their works like covering up offensive imagery in the trilogy (the whole point was that it's offensive the game is meant to be a satirical perspective on the years it takes place in.
It's a beet they're trying to convince you is a potato, and if you insist it's a beet they'll go online to publicly shame you for calling them out. Also you're a bigot.
the more tragic thing is, Volition actually *wanted* to create a proper Saints Row 5 with all the classic crew members returning and settling the long lost conflict with an important character, focusing on 20/80 balance (20% SR3; 80% SR2) but DeepSilver keeps demanding a change to the game to the point that having a proper Saints Row 5 isn't possible and had to reboot and change everything, plus with an incompetent leadership of Volition itself, it's clear that the project is doomed and nothing can save it anymore, and it's honestly depressing on how much the reboot could save
They have been part of Embracer for years, who bought up studios en masse years ago. In my opinion, they have no real knowledge of the games industry. For some time now, they have been shedding or restructuring a lot of studios. You can only feel sorry for the poor developers who have to work under their management.
Back in 2021 (or so) I participated in an online event for the selected game media outlets that revealed this new Saints Row game. We were shown the bespoken trailer and after that there was a QA session with the devs team. I think I was the only one from that bunch of journalists that played the whole series. Hell, some of those guys might not even were born when the first game had its release. I was the only one, I think, who was appalled by what I had seen. The chat was full of words "wow" and "amazing". That was a pure absurd really. The newb gaming cohort ate that trailer and started hyping. I couldn't get it and thought I might not understand the new trends maybe. But then I saw the sad and exhausted look on the senior devs faces. Those balding older dudes from the core Volition, who made first games, had this distinctive tired "I'm too old for this sh*t" aura. So I realised they were not happy with what they had created either, this zoomer sh*t was forced on them from the management above. Since then I cannot blame Volition for the fail of the new Saints Row. At least the core team guys, they knew it was bad but nobody cared about their opinion.
It jives with what we heard with the interview Shortfatotaku did with a dev. That and by that time, a lot of the older guys just grew out of making games like that so their hearts weren't in it anymore.
I honestly would like a another game so the Saints Row IP doesn’t lay to rest with such a shit show of a video game reboot but at the same time how in the hell does one come back from such a huge disaster? Especially how cocky and arrogant the marketing team acted in the Twitter comments of fans like “haters gonna hate” and that one dev making the “Quit having fun” meme being completely tone deaf about the situation of the game. But we can just pretend it never existed and say the series set sail to the sunset after 4. :)
The reboot failure has pretty much sealed the death of saint's row as a franchise The atrocious failure and deplorable attitude of the devs and marketing team has pretty much guaranteed that the franchise won't be getting touched again
I was planning to actually watch this one (as opposed to listen to it in the background like I do with most video essays on youtube, haha) but for some reason I find the editing style in this video very jarring. I'm only 4 minutes in but the fact that every 30 seconds there is a sequence where you just show a single word at a time over a moving background while you talk is giving me a huge headache. Really unfortunate because I have some truly amazing and terrible memories playing this series and I was looking forward to seeing some nostalgic footage. 😅
Saints Row franchise perfectly encapsulated the typical office composition 'evolution' of most surviving dev groups today; a team, initally founded and helmed by passionate geeks and nerds(SR1, SR2), only to be taken over by corporate dudebros(SR3), until those where slowly supplanted, and killed off by hipsters(SR4,AoM,nu-SR).
Thank you for a video on Saints Row franchise. I started with 3 and loved it. Sad how far it fell with the reboot. Also yes I would love to see a video on the failed Agents of Mayhem game.
Saints row 3 was the beginning of the end for the franchise. The moment they stepped out of the shadow of GTA, they were doomed. They should have never leaned more into the goofy side of things. Which is why they decided to reboot it, and boy did they fumble that too.
You know, I always thought they should've did what SR2 did: leave the goofy stuff for the player to enjoy outside of the main story. That mistake was repeated in 3, 4, GOH, and SRR. It affected the storytelling and feel of the games overall.
@@pocketinfinity6733 Excellent point. But piracy was never theft to begin with. It's unathorised copying. Theft implies the owner is deprived the use of the item. If your friend has a nice sandhwich, and you use a magic wand to make a copy of it so you can both eat a nice sandwhich together... You haven't stolen his, have you? Same thing. They call it theft as propogandistic nuspeak. But it's just "unauthorised copying/sharing."
@user-ef5ug6jx5n tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny Pirates will always justify stealing, Pirates are thieves, there's no argument to justify it
@@tdestroyer4780 You may not be owning games anymore, but I am. I'd wager the reason you believe people don't own games any more is down to media programming. Stop watching Jtv. It's just lies. Same with any J influencers or J publications. Lies all the way down. Pilpul. "People" get angry because of two reasons: 1) sunk cost fallacy. "I paid so everyone else has to or else I look silly" or "My (heavy airquotes) investment is losing value!!!!" 2)Gullibility and corpo-identity psychosis. People are gullible and easily misled into championing causes that actively work against them. Also certain demographics are highly suseptible to investing their self-worth into a corporate logo. Fanboyism, essentially, but they feel personally attacked then the brand does badly. A lot of this is due to gaming becoming globalised. Didn't happen when it was just white european nerds. Indians, for example, basically worship microsoft. As such you see a lot of them defending Bethesda doing very dirty anti-consumer stuff. I think microsoft call centres and associated scamming is like 80% of indias GDP at this point.
I played this game recently, the 2022 reboot, finished the story I can tell you guys, the game feels like watching a disney channel sitcom with curse words to sound edgy for teenage audiencies I guess (? Not recomended at all unless you are desperately waiting for gta 6 and already played most of the style of games tbh
To me, the series died at 4. Like what is the point in getting any cars? Your powers from the start will outdo them all. What is the point in getting a gun? Your powers will outdo them all. From. The. Start. Why do any of the story? Sorry to say, but no matter what you do, the end will always be the same.
In my opinion, SR4 was really good BUT it was 🤏 close to be great - like imagine if in the end it was all somehow a wild ahh trip Boss had and you return to "normal" or sum like that
Well that's because it began life as a DLC for Saints Row the Third but Deep Silver forced them to make it into a full game to help save them from bankruptcy.
Because they went from having an identity to being weird, they said F you to the actual family they had already to try new ones when they could’ve just made a whole separate IP to get different buyers without losing the ones they had
I loved Saints Row 2. It's a game I still like to go back and play every once in a while. I spared myself the torture of playing Saints Row 2022. I would still like to see a new Saints Row game. More so a reboot of the first two games, if that's possible. Just use the same world. Make the cities more robust, allow for more NPC interaction, accessing more buildings, newer vehicles. The game already had a good assortment of weapons.
Everyone craps on saints row IV and says it's so unrealistic because of the superpowers, he never actually had superpowers it was all part of a simulation none of that stuff was real
Exactly. People born from 1981 to 1996 are Millennials, so the youngest Millennials right now are 28. I get it's also a term used for woke effeminate losers who spend too much time on Twitter, but the characters in the reboot are meant to be Zoomers, like 21 to 24.
Yup. Early to Mid 30s but the devs still thought millennials were in college and set the game moreso for the mid 2010s apparently. So the game feels like it was made for an audience younger than who they aimed it for but its not Zoomer.
I'm an idiot for thinking this game was going to be anything other than a waste of time and a cash grab. All while shitting on us saints row fans and turning the franchise into a joke.
Saints row one: we’re in a gang to save our neighborhood and then the rest of the city Sr2: were in a gang to reclaim what was ours Sr3: we’re gettin revenge for gat and giving the world a reason to take ya seriously again Sr4: we’re gonna fight back against aliens Reboot: aww Fuck man. Our rent is due…. Start a gang? Good idea
Taking into consideration how modern games get released nowadays -cringey, unfinished and boring i dont think there's a point in even trying to ressurect saints row, the current landscape in game development is very money oriented and the quality is bad
Saints Row 2006 and Saints Row 2 were amazing games. I especially liked the co op in 2. Me and one of my buddies played it religiously back in the day. Unfortunately I had, and still have no desire to play the reboot
The first Saints Row was the most gangster one, not overly comedic or goofy. All about gangs and turf wars. BUT... the second one was my favorite and the best in my opinion. They added so much. It was the perfect blend of comedy and action.
Simple Volition didn’t listen to the fan base when they kept saying “We Don’t Like It!” “Go Woke Go Broke!” “We kill the woke people in the first three games” But instead Volition refused to listen and verbally abused those who voiced an opinion to them that was in no way aggressive and then Volition had the sheer nerve and audacity to demand sympathy when they effed-up. Their downfall is the cause because they tried to impress too many people because a bunch of Karens.
What they did right and beat rockstar with was the storymode coop. Its a shame that Gta didnt lean towards multiplayer in small groups centered in story mode instead of sandbox "free roam" death match
Yeah kinda misses the point Johnny gat is a perfect example of saints row he's egdy violent and doesn't give a shit that's what shouldve happened in the reboot The new gang starts and Johnny shows up shoots them and states "who the fuck do you think you are!"
I thought the writing wasn't that bad. It was mediocre/generic at worst and had a few good laughs at best. I generally don't listen to popular opinion when looking at story, but honestly, I did listen to people who went through and complained about the whole story this time - and then I played it and a lot of the actual things that happened were completely different from how they were described. A lot of the backlash is from "anti-woke" hysteria and practically gaslighting. Gameplay-wise, I came to it post patch cycle and it was a good time, if a bit simple. At launch I just heard it was buggy, but now it's a fine game. Solid 7/10 material. I had a good time (nearly, except for the car skills) 100% completing it.
I would subscribe to that. The game was generic and mediocre. No more and no less. And I still don't know to this day what was supposed to be "woke" about the game. It seems to me as if the people who are always tossing the word woke around haven't realised that Saints Row has been a parody of real life since the second game.
please go ahead and make that agents of mayhem video, would've appreciated that info being included in this one, but ad revenue is a bitch and i get that
I was playing GTA 4 when Saints Row 3 came out and I thought Rockstar lost it because Saints Row 3 was so much better than GTA 4. Rockstar went for realism while Saints Row 3 was just purely fun. I really thought it was it for the GTA series, and then a few years later GTA V came out and completely flipped the script for me.
I didn't mind the reboot, my main gripes with the game were the fact that the map felt uninspired and the main story was so short. When I reached the final mission it felt like "That's it?" and it didn't really leave me wanting to do any of the side stuff. This coming from a guy who does a yearly play through of SR2 and bi yearly run of SR3
A complete remake of the first 2 games would have really slingshot the company forward to be honest. If they did it in the same way destroy all humans did anyway.
@@Axoltolion Luckily Steam is one of the few big companies that haven't gone full authoritarian on their customers. You can get away with some pretty crude stuff and not be banned like on Playstation/Xbox.
I completely forgot about Saints Row Reboot for a solid year or 2 before it popped into my head randomly. I looked it up to see what its writing and storytelling were like... I have never cringed harder at a game. How did we stray so far from God?
To be honest tho I blame the gta fan boys for saints row's downfall bc when they were talking about it being a gta clone they were harassing the developers it wasn't like they were even playing the game they were just all over it like oh gta clone gta clone and then the developers got so tired of that they came up with all the wacky goofy ridiculous stuff that are in saints row 3 and 4 which were fun games but never should've been saints row games at all especially when saints row 4 got to be where Santa clause was in it then you play as johnny gat when you go to hell and fight Satan (even in gat out of hell) and then the entire game is a whole mixture with aliens and superheroes but saints row was originally about you fending off other gangs and take over their territory but the problem is the developers didn't really care about none of that so they got away from all that stuff and even when they realized there were ppl who actually were fans of saints row 1 and 2 the developers ignored them bc they were like screw it we rather have new fans that might get into saints row 3 and 4 then after all these years we eventually get the reboot which pissed off alot of ppl who were fans of 1 and 2 then pissed off more ppl who were fans of 3 and 4 so now that put volition out of business
I see it the same way. The blame for the decline of the series lies somewhere between the GTA fanboys and the developers. SR1 and 2 were my favourite games in the series. I also thought SR3 was ok. But I never finished part 4. I got the reboot with my graphics card as a promo perk. To be honest, I didn't find it as bad as most people did. But for me it simply wasn't Saints Row. If you ignore the name, you're just left with a below-average game.
They tried too hard to be edgier than GTA, and ended up going all in on shock value over anything else. Everything was over the top by the 3rd game, with all the futuristic garbage, which just killed off the fanbase through sensory overload. Ironically, GTAV was a step down from previous titles because they started to copy Saints Row.
The only game who got near of being a competitor to GTA, but instead decided to "be different" with saints row 4 and then went completely insane with the reboot. its a shame really, such promising franchise destroyed forever like that...
That take 2 acquisition is worrying though. These devs destroyed saints row, and now they're with the parent company for rockstar its not out of the realm of possibility they could work their way over to rockstar, and ruin GTA 6 as well.
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If my inde game company had saints row IP
I would save saints row
When you legally get powers in GTA let me know until then your comment doesn’t make sense
Crazy how they could've just remastered SR 1 & 2 and had many successful years of joyful gamers, instead they made zoomer gangsters
They should have tried that first before the reboot. The reboot was supposed to be similar to SR2 but something happened along the way.
@@nicetomato7573that "something" is idiotic investors and ESG, and pandering to a "modern audience" that doesn't exist, and never will
Creating boss as attractive white guy seems negate the 'zoomer gangster' trope. You will definitely feel that way if you play as the default boss. That look 🙄🙄
It has been like that since the thurd
Ion know if ya heard of da bioshock remaster but safe to say was gon be worse
Saints and Sleeping Dogs need to make proper comebacks at the hands of motivated and dedicated devs.
Saints row not possible, neither for sleeping dogs because the owners of the sleeping dogs went bankrupt because of the online play that went flop, if a company remembers sleeping dogs and decides to make a sequel then maybe it can comeback but right now it’s not possible for both and only sleeping dogs can potentionally comeback
Sleeping dogs has no chance currently due to GTA 6 being so hyped
Sleeping dogs is actually the third game in the true crime series. There are two games that come before it: True Crime: L.A. and True Crime: New York
I loved sleeping dogs, i was hoping for a 2nd one but it never came
@@Manhunt811it’s possible for saints row they just need to get rid of everything they’ve done so far and never do it again.
Saints Row 2 is still one of my favorite games of all time. Shame how the series ended
It is a shame, But completely unsurprising. The woke crusaders are trying to go after every single game/game franchise out there, So at the end of the day the best thing to do is just to stick to the older games in my opinion.
Ever since they've been pushing woke messages in video games I've been focusing on older games and I've really been enjoying either revisiting the older games that I grew up with (Half Life, Portal, Team Fortress, Bioshock) or visiting older games that I haven't played but have high praise.
Nah it was awesome, we take over city n we make it bleed purple, das whatchu say
@@FrederickTheAnon14Wagreed, I went back to watch dogs and resident evil 6 and it was worth it
Mines to
Completely agree
It's clear you put a lot of time into researching this one, but MAN those bright shutter flashes gotta go
Fr it's getting annoying
Yeah I just noticed how frequent those were.
agreed
And the earth shattering low whoop sounds every 2 seconds can go too.
I consider all this stuff to be what I call "low attention span content". It's what happens when a creator (whether a TV show, a UA-cam video, a movie, whatever) doesn't trust its audience to stay engaged by the subject itself and feels the need to throw in sounds and graphics and things popping onto the screen or edited into the video and so forth to keep them watching. I'm not saying that this was necessarily the intent here, but it happens and I cannot stand it. If a video is going to throw cute little drawings on the screen or repeatedly cut to images of memes to emphasize a point or underline every cutaway with a click or whoosh, I'm just going to turn it off. Shit gets on my nerves.
It wasn’t creative, it wasn’t unique, it definitely didn’t try to push any boundaries gameplay or comedy wise. It didn’t know what it wanted to be. It had nothing the old games had
it tried to appeal to a new market and it failed miserably. The kind of people who play Saints Row game are NOT interested in DEI or P.C. or any other woke crap.
@@Shorty_LickensIf you unironically use the term "woke" please touch grass.
@@Moji55a
Aww does that trigger you?
@@Moji55aSomeone's triggered
@@Moji55awhy? does it make you mad? you must be from twitter
Saints Row 2 was the crown jewel of the franchise. It was a mix of comedy and still had a serious real-world tone to it. Saints Row 3 went full cartoon, killed the franchise. They limited clothing combinations, took clothing slots away and the story made the characters unlikeable. Thank God fun Shaundi was a thing. 4 and the remake were total trash.
Exactly.
You said everything I feel bro it’s a shame, I love saints row 2
Facts
Let's be real the saints row reboot appealed to no original fans regardless if they preferred old saints row 1 & 2 or fans of sr3 & 4
It kills me inside, cause apparently they wanted to do like a 70 30 split, of saints row 2 and 3, SR2 story and feel, with SR3 over the top set pieces. Which is perfect for me cause I think 2 and 3 are the best in the series.
Thats what I have been saying the entire fanbase was unhappy
I remember the representative or whatever u call them was literally on twitter arguing with everybody and getting mad at the fans because the fans hated the direction the reboot was going in and pretty much told the fans to fuck off….and they did.. fucked off so bad the company had to close its doors 😅
@@Theshen.she called us terrorist bro
Can't get jiggy with it. Played the beginning about 5 times. Each time something grabs my attention more than the game. Now it's sitting in my library. This was legit this week lmao
Volition pretty much told the fans to fuck off for wanting the old formula back and they did….so hard volition had to close its doors 😂😂😂
They bit the hands that fed them.
😂
I remember the Devs saying it gets better after a while trust us. So I thought and hoped that maybe the trailer was a miss direct, maybe after the first mission the camera pulls back and it's Shaundi playing a video game, throwing the controller saying "This sucks" or something equally as witty, but that never happened.
I didn't mind the idea of a reboot, I was even prepared for new characters, I just wasn't prepared for these characters, or the story, or the writing.
Them claiming the game got better after the poorly received trailer, is jut one of the many lies from that publisher and dev team.
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That would have been the most saints row move of all time
They actively spat in old players faces. The core of your audience. Really bad idea.
literally! They did the exact opposite of what we wanted and lost all their players. If not all, then most. Saints Row 2 and Saints Row 1 is what I still play to this day.
@@TheRealTylabro I just cranked sr1 back up yesterday 😂💯
Honestly don’t understand why companies do this. You spend all those years developing an IPs name, get a fan base who’s loyal to it and then immediately change it and you expect it to go well?
Im 27 and have been playing the franchise since the beginning.
The new game was fine.
Most people played saints row for the customization and open world.
If you want a story driven gangster game, try mafia or gta
@@The.420.Riders but that was what people loved about saints row. The gang story and the wacky characters everyone fell in love with in saints row 2. They veered too far from that and became something completely different.
You can’t just pull in a fan base and then flip everything on its head and tell them hey if you want this back then go find it somewhere else. Thats exactly why the saints row franchise is dead lmao.
short answer from my point of view: Studio did the exact opposite of what the fans wanted and when it flopped they pikachu faced
“Pikachu face” stop the cringe
@@kb9242 its true tho
@@Sharpzee can you not say shocked?
@@kb9242 no because that wouldnt trigger people XD
@@Sharpzee well congratulations on being cringey mate
Saints Row died after 3.
Facts
Died after 2 tbh
It died in Reach
Facts 👌@@Deejay_IFG92
Nah 4 was solid
"How did the parent studio go under because of one failed game?"
- It didn't. It went under because of a series of poorly managed choices. The talent that used to exist were gone, or have moved beyond their interests in the past. They then wanted to make games they wanted to create, but players didn't want to play. Lack of leadership and so on. What actually killed the studio was that the Saudi investor pulled out last second which lead to the collapse. They had mismanaged the company to the point the investor was the only hope they had.
And they treated their fans like crap. Don't forget. "Haters gonna hate."
@@MrRAGE-md5rjOh yeah. That one as well.
Just can't include everything because that should be an hour long video.
@@MrRAGE-md5rj That is nothing compared to how the community manager called the customers that dislike or criticize the game "terrorist"
@Cloud_Seeker
This comment, here. The reboot was bad, but it didn't completely destroy Volition; it just gave Embracer Group a good enough and perfectly justified reason to not keep them around.
Basically the old devs grew up and wanted to make stuff like Starfield.
Honestly wondered why they didn't just bring in some new blood who grew up on Saints Row to continue it while the old heads could go make their dad game.
All they have to do is make it gangster again🤦🏾♂️ why are they making it complicated.. a regular gangster saints row with a great storyline like 1 & 2 will make Og & New fans happy
Bc your f slur overlords h8 t0xic maScUliniTy
My saints row wish list
Bring Saint Row I to PC
Fix Saints Row 2 on PC and include all the Missing content/DLC
make the multiplayer work again on the old ones for local play or something like that
and after all of that lets the series rest in piece, cause we got all the best things preserved
An official port of Saints Row 1 would be dope yes, but I think you can play it through an emulator on PC rn.
RIP IdolNinja.
I believe Saints Row, should have listened and went back to it roots and told us a Prequel story to the original game. Ending with you being a young Julius, finding all of your soldiers, GAT, Troy, Aisha, and Dex.
Don’t forget Lin as well (RIP).
@@twoface9959 facts
any time theres text: WOOSH click WOOOOOSH click
Now I can't unhear it.
@@KingMB_XJ_OfficialWhen someone mentions the whip-crack effect in Johnny Test
I don't want a new saints row, I just want that saints row 2 official patch to finally come out
Facts 💯
Shit I was pissed off that a new game was being worked on we all knew that it was was a waste of time and money at least gave the decency to give us the damn patch before you go bankrupt like a bunch idiots who looked at this during development and said yeah a kid could have predicted this outcome
We need a new True Crime game I think Activison has the money and resources to compete with GTA now.
Back in the day true crime Hong Kong was made then they changed the name to sleeping dogs. That’s a good game fr
I can fix that. Just wait 40 years.
I don't know if Activision owns the IP anymore. I think that's where United Front came in and bought it and changed the name to Sleeping Dogs. Activision slept hard on that one. Literally a timeless classic.
Besides, rumor has it that Sweet Baby helped GTA6 with dialogue. If that's true, it's pretty much open grounds for anybody to make an open world crime title and compete.
I will never understand the trend of rebooting a popular franchise to appeal exclusively to new fans instead of the old ones. The right approach would be either do something that appeals to both or just the old ones. If all you want are new fans, then create a new IP. It'd be cheaper, you'd have more control and you wouldn't risk losing existing customers. Why change the established one to alienate an existing fanbase for the _possibility_ of attracting a new one? It's such an insane idea, it never works and companies keep doing it.
That's because that's all that corporate suits can do.
They only know how to exploit the IPs they have, not create anything new.
Well, I have a hard time feeling sympathy.
They split the fanbase with SR3 and since then, one half of the fanbase, including me, told them time and time again to go back to the roots with the 90's gang culture. And what did we get? Aliens, Hell, Agents of Mayhem and the Reboot.
The thing that GTA has never changed its roots to some superficial stuffs , they've just enhanced the graphics , add details , new features , but the game has always been the same ❤
I've heard that gta 6 is going to be following the Saints row formula.
The part about take 2 acquiring the saints row team should have you worried though. Starting to see things similar to what killed saints row appearing in their works like covering up offensive imagery in the trilogy (the whole point was that it's offensive the game is meant to be a satirical perspective on the years it takes place in.
Short answer: Cuz its a half baked potato
Cuz its a potato at room temperature
It's a beet they're trying to convince you is a potato, and if you insist it's a beet they'll go online to publicly shame you for calling them out.
Also you're a bigot.
It’s a ginger posing as a potato
the more tragic thing is, Volition actually *wanted* to create a proper Saints Row 5 with all the classic crew members returning and settling the long lost conflict with an important character, focusing on 20/80 balance (20% SR3; 80% SR2)
but DeepSilver keeps demanding a change to the game to the point that having a proper Saints Row 5 isn't possible and had to reboot and change everything, plus with an incompetent leadership of Volition itself, it's clear that the project is doomed and nothing can save it anymore, and it's honestly depressing on how much the reboot could save
They have been part of Embracer for years, who bought up studios en masse years ago. In my opinion, they have no real knowledge of the games industry. For some time now, they have been shedding or restructuring a lot of studios. You can only feel sorry for the poor developers who have to work under their management.
@@benn87 Embracer's issue is another beast on it's own and yeah they're extremely incompetent
10:15 Didn’t know Nina Williams from Tekken guest starred in Saints Row 3 😂
Lol someone else noticed it too. Sorta like the graggle Simpson and gwimbly smash bros memes.
i was playing tekken when i saw that lol
I thought I was losing my mind for a good few seconds.😂
Back in 2021 (or so) I participated in an online event for the selected game media outlets that revealed this new Saints Row game. We were shown the bespoken trailer and after that there was a QA session with the devs team. I think I was the only one from that bunch of journalists that played the whole series. Hell, some of those guys might not even were born when the first game had its release. I was the only one, I think, who was appalled by what I had seen. The chat was full of words "wow" and "amazing". That was a pure absurd really. The newb gaming cohort ate that trailer and started hyping. I couldn't get it and thought I might not understand the new trends maybe. But then I saw the sad and exhausted look on the senior devs faces. Those balding older dudes from the core Volition, who made first games, had this distinctive tired "I'm too old for this sh*t" aura. So I realised they were not happy with what they had created either, this zoomer sh*t was forced on them from the management above. Since then I cannot blame Volition for the fail of the new Saints Row. At least the core team guys, they knew it was bad but nobody cared about their opinion.
It jives with what we heard with the interview Shortfatotaku did with a dev.
That and by that time, a lot of the older guys just grew out of making games like that so their hearts weren't in it anymore.
I honestly would like a another game so the Saints Row IP doesn’t lay to rest with such a shit show of a video game reboot but at the same time how in the hell does one come back from such a huge disaster? Especially how cocky and arrogant the marketing team acted in the Twitter comments of fans like “haters gonna hate” and that one dev making the “Quit having fun” meme being completely tone deaf about the situation of the game.
But we can just pretend it never existed and say the series set sail to the sunset after 4. :)
remake saints row 2
@@JT_Toons Not happening and dont expect the people that worked at Volition to do it because they do not care and the old people have moved on.
The reboot failure has pretty much sealed the death of saint's row as a franchise
The atrocious failure and deplorable attitude of the devs and marketing team has pretty much guaranteed that the franchise won't be getting touched again
They took an edgy game and made it PC. That's what killed it
I was planning to actually watch this one (as opposed to listen to it in the background like I do with most video essays on youtube, haha) but for some reason I find the editing style in this video very jarring. I'm only 4 minutes in but the fact that every 30 seconds there is a sequence where you just show a single word at a time over a moving background while you talk is giving me a huge headache. Really unfortunate because I have some truly amazing and terrible memories playing this series and I was looking forward to seeing some nostalgic footage. 😅
Yeah, don't forget about the awful stock "camera shutter" K-SNAP sound EVERY time the scene changes, somewhere around 28 times per minute.
You forgot the most important part. Being mean to everyone on Twitter.
The haters gonna hate gif, I doubt nobody gonna forget that 😑
@@khalyllwilliams8872yup. If you look at the tweet they made when they shut their doors that really came back to bite them.
Saints Row franchise perfectly encapsulated the typical office composition 'evolution' of most surviving dev groups today; a team, initally founded and helmed by passionate geeks and nerds(SR1, SR2), only to be taken over by corporate dudebros(SR3), until those where slowly supplanted, and killed off by hipsters(SR4,AoM,nu-SR).
Nice vid , saints row is in fact put to rest but much appreciated for all that was given to us until saints 3
Thank you for a video on Saints Row franchise. I started with 3 and loved it.
Sad how far it fell with the reboot.
Also yes I would love to see a video on the failed Agents of Mayhem game.
1&2 are awesome. Especially 2. Once 3 hit it got… weird
But that's where the beauty comes in
@@kingjb554to what? Replay the old ones? Because 4 on sucks. Even 3 is just ok in my opinion not horrible like the next entry’s
You went way overboard with the click noises, wooshing logos and single word visuals. Really annoying to watch
Yeah it pissed me off lol, I could barely watch it
Overediting is unfortunately very common now. Its a way to keep attention
Agreed. Had to stop watching because it got too annoying.
Agreed. Sometimes simple is just better man.
I was only listening to it while working and i got annoyed so hard at these constant klicking noises.
Saints row 3 was the beginning of the end for the franchise. The moment they stepped out of the shadow of GTA, they were doomed. They should have never leaned more into the goofy side of things. Which is why they decided to reboot it, and boy did they fumble that too.
You know, I always thought they should've did what SR2 did: leave the goofy stuff for the player to enjoy outside of the main story. That mistake was repeated in 3, 4, GOH, and SRR. It affected the storytelling and feel of the games overall.
"Contemporary", the BIGGEST red flag of any media looking for an audience.
I thought their non existent “modern audience” was the majority? How could’ve this happened? NO ONE saw it coming! 🤣
If you buy games you dont own them.
Meanwhile... on the pirate bay.
"if thats the case then piracy aint theft"
@@pocketinfinity6733 Excellent point.
But piracy was never theft to begin with. It's unathorised copying. Theft implies the owner is deprived the use of the item.
If your friend has a nice sandhwich, and you use a magic wand to make a copy of it so you can both eat a nice sandwhich together... You haven't stolen his, have you?
Same thing. They call it theft as propogandistic nuspeak. But it's just "unauthorised copying/sharing."
@user-ef5ug6jx5n tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny
Pirates will always justify stealing, Pirates are thieves, there's no argument to justify it
@@amalekedomite How about a text wall on why we're slowly not owning games anymore and people seem to get angry if you still want to.
@@tdestroyer4780 You may not be owning games anymore, but I am.
I'd wager the reason you believe people don't own games any more is down to media programming. Stop watching Jtv. It's just lies. Same with any J influencers or J publications. Lies all the way down. Pilpul.
"People" get angry because of two reasons:
1) sunk cost fallacy. "I paid so everyone else has to or else I look silly" or "My (heavy airquotes) investment is losing value!!!!"
2)Gullibility and corpo-identity psychosis. People are gullible and easily misled into championing causes that actively work against them. Also certain demographics are highly suseptible to investing their self-worth into a corporate logo. Fanboyism, essentially, but they feel personally attacked then the brand does badly.
A lot of this is due to gaming becoming globalised. Didn't happen when it was just white european nerds. Indians, for example, basically worship microsoft. As such you see a lot of them defending Bethesda doing very dirty anti-consumer stuff. I think microsoft call centres and associated scamming is like 80% of indias GDP at this point.
I played this game recently, the 2022 reboot, finished the story I can tell you guys, the game feels like watching a disney channel sitcom with curse words to sound edgy for teenage audiencies I guess (? Not recomended at all unless you are desperately waiting for gta 6 and already played most of the style of games tbh
To me, the series died at 4.
Like what is the point in getting any cars? Your powers from the start will outdo them all.
What is the point in getting a gun? Your powers will outdo them all. From. The. Start.
Why do any of the story? Sorry to say, but no matter what you do, the end will always be the same.
In my opinion, SR4 was really good BUT it was 🤏 close to be great - like imagine if in the end it was all somehow a wild ahh trip Boss had and you return to "normal" or sum like that
The powers were pretty fun tho ngl.
Died at 3
*3
Well that's because it began life as a DLC for Saints Row the Third but Deep Silver forced them to make it into a full game to help save them from bankruptcy.
Because they went from having an identity to being weird, they said F you to the actual family they had already to try new ones when they could’ve just made a whole separate IP to get different buyers without losing the ones they had
I loved Saints Row 2. It's a game I still like to go back and play every once in a while. I spared myself the torture of playing Saints Row 2022. I would still like to see a new Saints Row game. More so a reboot of the first two games, if that's possible. Just use the same world. Make the cities more robust, allow for more NPC interaction, accessing more buildings, newer vehicles. The game already had a good assortment of weapons.
Everyone craps on saints row IV and says it's so unrealistic because of the superpowers, he never actually had superpowers it was all part of a simulation none of that stuff was real
The only real bit was the aliens
And being the president
Still doesn't make it a good Saints Row game
please no flash cuts. cant watch rhe video at night because of this
just sleep
Then watch it during the day, simple solution lol
Bro thought he could sneak Nina in the frame🤣
11:00 “Appeal to Millennials”, hmm…
How old are Millennials again? 28 to 43 years old?
Zoomer doesnt know that he is a zoomer and still thinks he is milennial.
Exactly. People born from 1981 to 1996 are Millennials, so the youngest Millennials right now are 28. I get it's also a term used for woke effeminate losers who spend too much time on Twitter, but the characters in the reboot are meant to be Zoomers, like 21 to 24.
@@robertnomok9750I don’t think millennials are in their 40s yet
Yup. Early to Mid 30s but the devs still thought millennials were in college and set the game moreso for the mid 2010s apparently. So the game feels like it was made for an audience younger than who they aimed it for but its not Zoomer.
@@Theshen.1981 - 1996 are Millennials. They can be as old as 43 rn
I remember back in like, 2016 I bought SR 3 specifically so I could go around using the penetrator.
Basically, it was shit in every sense of the word.
I'm an idiot for thinking this game was going to be anything other than a waste of time and a cash grab. All while shitting on us saints row fans and turning the franchise into a joke.
10:14 What's Nina doing there? Didn't know she could travel between worlds
it failed cause its gay
We all know why we loved saints row it was the gangster feeling and customization it had
They should just made it like sleeping dogs
1:23 rookie mistake
Steelport hell yeh
@@Soviet-Camel sophomore mistake
Should have Made sr4 and goh a movie inside the sr universe, Like Gangsters in Space in SR3 and started from there.
I really enjoy your videos but you overdid it with the „flashbang“ cuts imo. All love tho (:
Saints row one: we’re in a gang to save our neighborhood and then the rest of the city
Sr2: were in a gang to reclaim what was ours
Sr3: we’re gettin revenge for gat and giving the world a reason to take ya seriously again
Sr4: we’re gonna fight back against aliens
Reboot: aww Fuck man. Our rent is due…. Start a gang? Good idea
I just miss playing games that were atleast a little realistic. You can’t find realism in games anymore.
That's literally every triple A game in current year....
I kept thinking it was a troll job and a few hours in the real saints would show up and take over
Taking into consideration how modern games get released nowadays -cringey, unfinished and boring i dont think there's a point in even trying to ressurect saints row, the current landscape in game development is very money oriented and the quality is bad
You hit the nail on the head with this. I'll be watching more of your stuff. Very thorough
Saints Row 2006 and Saints Row 2 were amazing games. I especially liked the co op in 2. Me and one of my buddies played it religiously back in the day. Unfortunately I had, and still have no desire to play the reboot
Man if they’d do a kickstarter for a saints row 2 remaster I’d put up some money to get that
The first Saints Row was the most gangster one, not overly comedic or goofy. All about gangs and turf wars.
BUT... the second one was my favorite and the best in my opinion. They added so much. It was the perfect blend of comedy and action.
Thank you so much for pointing that out on GOG, ive used them a couple times, I had no idea you actually could own them!
We need a indie studio to make a Saints row like
Dude I'd be on board for making this
Simple Volition didn’t listen to the fan base when they kept saying
“We Don’t Like It!”
“Go Woke Go Broke!”
“We kill the woke people in the first three games”
But instead Volition refused to listen and verbally abused those who voiced an opinion to them that was in no way aggressive and then Volition had the sheer nerve and audacity to demand sympathy when they effed-up.
Their downfall is the cause because they tried to impress too many people because a bunch of Karens.
What they did right and beat rockstar with was the storymode coop.
Its a shame that Gta didnt lean towards multiplayer in small groups centered in story mode instead of sandbox "free roam" death match
I can tell you nearly every main character's name from saints row 2, I can't even remember the main groups name from the reboot lol
Taking an edgy offensive popular satire game and make it family friendly 😂 with broken mechanics
Yeah kinda misses the point Johnny gat is a perfect example of saints row he's egdy violent and doesn't give a shit that's what shouldve happened in the reboot
The new gang starts and Johnny shows up shoots them and states "who the fuck do you think you are!"
@cashbanucita0025 in court he ask why there was no statute of limitations on murder 🤣
@@ChickenSpeed that was a great mission lol 😂
Sr2 was somthing amazing
@cashbanucita0025 imagine you kill someone in your house and your wife just demands you to clean it up. You and your boss
I thought the writing wasn't that bad. It was mediocre/generic at worst and had a few good laughs at best. I generally don't listen to popular opinion when looking at story, but honestly, I did listen to people who went through and complained about the whole story this time - and then I played it and a lot of the actual things that happened were completely different from how they were described. A lot of the backlash is from "anti-woke" hysteria and practically gaslighting.
Gameplay-wise, I came to it post patch cycle and it was a good time, if a bit simple. At launch I just heard it was buggy, but now it's a fine game. Solid 7/10 material. I had a good time (nearly, except for the car skills) 100% completing it.
I would subscribe to that. The game was generic and mediocre. No more and no less. And I still don't know to this day what was supposed to be "woke" about the game. It seems to me as if the people who are always tossing the word woke around haven't realised that Saints Row has been a parody of real life since the second game.
Blah .... Gay Developers ruined Saints Row🍷
I didn’t even know saints row had another release until now. Apparently I didn’t miss much.
please go ahead and make that agents of mayhem video, would've appreciated that info being included in this one, but ad revenue is a bitch and i get that
Saints row 2 was peak saints row😭
A bunch of twitter nerds playing gangster. What could go wrong? Lol what a joke.
I was playing GTA 4 when Saints Row 3 came out and I thought Rockstar lost it because Saints Row 3 was so much better than GTA 4. Rockstar went for realism while Saints Row 3 was just purely fun. I really thought it was it for the GTA series, and then a few years later GTA V came out and completely flipped the script for me.
I like it, I still play it to this day especially the Make A Boss Feature, you can literally create anyone you want 😭😭😭
10:14 why is nina williams from tekken there
I didn't mind the reboot, my main gripes with the game were the fact that the map felt uninspired and the main story was so short. When I reached the final mission it felt like "That's it?" and it didn't really leave me wanting to do any of the side stuff. This coming from a guy who does a yearly play through of SR2 and bi yearly run of SR3
You make a good film but then mess it up with all the click click click.
A complete remake of the first 2 games would have really slingshot the company forward to be honest. If they did it in the same way destroy all humans did anyway.
BTW steam doesn’t take away your game if it becomes delisted that is a total lie
but they can if they want to
Tell that to people who bought games like The day before...
There's still forced refunds on steam!
@@robokast the only time they really do it is if it’s illegal, for the most part they don’t
@@Axoltolion Luckily Steam is one of the few big companies that haven't gone full authoritarian on their customers. You can get away with some pretty crude stuff and not be banned like on Playstation/Xbox.
I completely forgot about Saints Row Reboot for a solid year or 2 before it popped into my head randomly. I looked it up to see what its writing and storytelling were like... I have never cringed harder at a game. How did we stray so far from God?
Good Video but please get rid of flash cuts, My eyes hurt haha
To be honest tho I blame the gta fan boys for saints row's downfall bc when they were talking about it being a gta clone they were harassing the developers it wasn't like they were even playing the game they were just all over it like oh gta clone gta clone and then the developers got so tired of that they came up with all the wacky goofy ridiculous stuff that are in saints row 3 and 4 which were fun games but never should've been saints row games at all especially when saints row 4 got to be where Santa clause was in it then you play as johnny gat when you go to hell and fight Satan (even in gat out of hell) and then the entire game is a whole mixture with aliens and superheroes but saints row was originally about you fending off other gangs and take over their territory but the problem is the developers didn't really care about none of that so they got away from all that stuff and even when they realized there were ppl who actually were fans of saints row 1 and 2 the developers ignored them bc they were like screw it we rather have new fans that might get into saints row 3 and 4 then after all these years we eventually get the reboot which pissed off alot of ppl who were fans of 1 and 2 then pissed off more ppl who were fans of 3 and 4 so now that put volition out of business
I see it the same way. The blame for the decline of the series lies somewhere between the GTA fanboys and the developers. SR1 and 2 were my favourite games in the series. I also thought SR3 was ok. But I never finished part 4. I got the reboot with my graphics card as a promo perk. To be honest, I didn't find it as bad as most people did. But for me it simply wasn't Saints Row. If you ignore the name, you're just left with a below-average game.
It was good but the alien crap was stupid and annoying
Remaster Saints Row 1 & 2 with current gen PS5/Series X/S graphics expand the map then go from there.
It's too late now.
You mean port.
Remastering both are really messy that even pc port is awful.
I love Saints Rows 1 & 2, but the third one lost me…glad I stopped there.
They tried too hard to be edgier than GTA, and ended up going all in on shock value over anything else.
Everything was over the top by the 3rd game, with all the futuristic garbage, which just killed off the fanbase through sensory overload. Ironically, GTAV was a step down from previous titles because they started to copy Saints Row.
Wokeness is the plague for entertainment
Dude im sorry but the camera click sound transition is really annoying, maybe make it muted in the next video?
They tried so hard to prove they weren't a GTA knockoff that they completely went in worst direction possible
It’s not complicated, wokeness destroyed the game.
Go woke, go broke.
The only game who got near of being a competitor to GTA, but instead decided to "be different" with saints row 4 and then went completely insane with the reboot.
its a shame really, such promising franchise destroyed forever like that...
Saints 3 wasn’t too bad but that’s where they went wrong in my opinion
They fell off because they did some fast and furious bs creating unrealistic halo fighting aliens bs
That take 2 acquisition is worrying though. These devs destroyed saints row, and now they're with the parent company for rockstar its not out of the realm of possibility they could work their way over to rockstar, and ruin GTA 6 as well.