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As aging adults, 66 and 73, we no longer enjoy driving. Ten hour trips that we used to do in one a day are now split up into two days. We just returned from a long trip to Nashville, and used FSD for the entire trip. Nashville traffic was heavy with 12 lanes of high speed driving, multiple entrances and exits, and cars constantly cutting me off. Adding to the stress was rain and fog. FSD handled it well. One thing that changed during the trip was it used to pass as needed to keep up with my set speed. On the second day it only passed when I used the turn signal to indicate a lane change. I didn’t like this change. In spite of the few flaws, I’m buying FSD. The only decision is do I subscribe or buy it? We just bought the car, a 2023 M3 rear wheel drive, 5 months ago. This is our first EV. Without FSD the trip to Nashville would have been far less enjoyable due to the traffic. FSD feels like when GPS developed into what it is today. Today, few people would want to take a trip without using GPS. The same will be true for FSD in the decades ahead. Buy Tesla stock while it’s still affordable. Love your videos. Thanks for making them.
Great video guys! I purchased FSD in 2019 for my 2018 M3 and have been a Beta tester since then. Kim, I also felt FSD was a lot of work to use. I'm 76 so my energy level isn't what it used to be, but I wanted to make as much of a contribution as possible to the system. I used it every single day, but V11 almost made me stop. V12 is mostly a joy to use & I'm looking forward to a rapidly improving experience. I purchased FSD because I didn't want to end up the same as so many older individuals who are so restricted because of loss of ability to drive. Many, many places don't have adequate public transportation & even when they are available, not very convenient. On V12.3.3 I still have the problem of turning into inappropriate turn-only lanes. I believe that the highway is still on V11, so the single stack is something to look forward to. I am also very frustrated with the lack of ability to transfer FSD. As a retired teacher on a very small income I have not been able to take advantage of any of the transfer offers, because I can't just jump up & purchase a new vehicle within a short time span. As an early adopter of both a Tesla and FSD I would be happier with Tesla if they acknowledged that by allowing me to transfer it at any time.
Used the beta and used it over 800 miles so far. Did about 400 miles on FSD going this weekend. There were city roads, country roads and in town driving. It was both amazing and upsetting. What was amazing it changed lanes to keep pace, moved over a bit for trucks, my wife loved that, and came to gentle slow downs, to turn right or left. It also drove on two lane roads with no lines off to the right, but some of them were so sloped from the center I took over and drove in the center until I needed to move over for oncoming cars. The issues were more than a few. 1) Constantly at issue was it knowing what the speed limit was. It would turn on to a country roads, not see a sign and not know how fast to go, (they are typically 55). If it was going 55 before a town, get the slow down to 45mph, drive through the town and not know or miss the sign to go 55 again. It also changed the speed limit by a stop sign to 15mph cross the road and not speed back up to 55mph. This was annoying. It also asked me to shake the wheel when it was making a turn. That was messed up. On the highway it would see a truck speed limit and not know it was for trucks and slow the car down to 60 from 65. In general it was doing a lot of adjustments to speed that were wrong. Even with these annoying issues, it drove 90% of the way there and back. It did an amazing job and my wife was very impressed. I believe strongly that Level 3 is possible this year.
@itsKimJava whenever u feel FSD is hesitating or slow to act, give the accelerator a little push, 90% of the time, it'll speed right action so far 100% for me
I have FSD 12.3.3 and driving around town it is really good. The turns are more human like, the speed selection is more natural and i hardly intervene. Most of my interventions are not needed - I need to get my confidence up. I have had FSD for 5 years. This is the first time I can really consider using it in traffic in cities. Highways have been great for years now, but even there the speed selection is better and I think it makes smoother lane changes now than on earlier version.
I've had it since 2019, never worked a day yet. I purchased full self-driving, not me taking over. By time I actually get full self-driving, the car will be probably ready for the junkyard. You should not legally be allowed to make promises such as full self-driving and sell it for $12,000. And then never deliver
I use it daily and have probably logged over 50k miles with it. v12.3.3 is the first version that has gotten me from point to point without having to disengage it. Don't get me wrong it will occasionally choose the incorrect lane which will cause me to correct it but I must say it has been a huge improvement. My neighbor also has it and it is the first version that he has used daily as well. In the past he would try it once a new update would hit and then immediately stop using it.
Fanboys are funny, having to keep your hands on the wheel and constantly stressing over it making a mistake is worthless. Driving yourself is way less difficult
@@daveblock For me it is about the tech and getting it to a place where it safer than a human. A little self serving as I am in my mid 50s and by the time I get to a place where I can't drive as well as I am today it would be nice to hop in my car and just tell it to drive me to Costco ;)
Love it. Use it daily. Definitely some quirks and situations that taking over is best like construction on highways. Why don't you just pay the monthly subscription? Everyone keeps saying $12,000. Most people change cars within 5 yrs and then you are not out the whole amount!
A few days ago, I did a 10 mile round trip and FSD performed flawlessly. Today, however, I did a 30 mile trip and had to do several interventions. One was where it inexplicably slowed to 45 on the freeway in the left lane, and then proceeded to fail to change lanes with less than 0.1 mile to our exit. Doesn't seem to plan ahead for freeway exits. I've seen this behavior many times. Then on the trip home, it jumped into the left turn lane on a city street to prepare for a RIGHT hand turn. Then, at the last second, it swerved all the way over to the right lane. Fortunately, there was no one behind us. Seems like FSD has good days and bad days.
Regarding the 40 mph speed limit on freeway I400, we have a "minimum speed 40 mph" sign. Tesla's FSD reads the "white rectangle" sign shape and the number 40, but fails to read the text or doesn't read it at all, which is why it sets a speed limit for the car at 40 mph.
been using the latest beta 2 weeks ago (model Y), use it while driving for uber, yesterday i got on a 15 mins ride $15 tip while demoing it to a passenger :) I always use FSD speciallly between rides
I think with the solid line on the freeway it didn't want to change lanes. Highway is still using the old FSD v11 stack, so it doesn't get the same as city streets. If you have it set to auto speed, and it says auto then you are FSD V12, if you see the max speed, it is FSD v11.
One thing I don’t like is that it has a very heavy foot starting from a standstill. Also it got lost at a downtown highway interchange… still it’s definitely an improvement from V11 (which drove like a drunk man and scared my passengers)
Ive had fsd for 4 years now and I didnt use it much with v11 but now with v12 I use it a lot. Its so much better and is enjoyable to use. They are so close to a robotaxi now
When you guys discussed the 40 speed limit, you thought that it was the last sign it scanned b4 you entered the highway. However, it mistakenly takes " 40 Minimum " speed signs and makes it the speed limit. Does that to me all the time. I use Autopilot everywhere I go now. Its fantastic!
We tried it on a road trip down from Atlanta to Orlando. It was great except the speed limit signs in Ga. We have a minimum speed limit sign and then a speed limit sign. The car was constantly going from 75 to 40 and back. Wasn’t a confidence builder. Once we were in Florida it was almost perfect! They list both speeds on the same sign and FSD reads that properly. If they fix the minimum speed limit problem it would great.
Love the update. You mentioned you feel like you could take a nap as a passenger. My wife hated the previous version and wouldn't allow me to use it with her in the car but with the update, she has made a shopping list on her phone and caught up on work emails while I am driving with the updated FSD. That was the true test for me. She actually uses this sometimes now as well. Such a huge improvement but still way out of our price range for FSD.
I've been using FSD for over 2.5 years. My biggest problem is the nudge problem. I normally hold the wheel lightly and it doesn't think I am. When I do hold it tigher it often goes out of FSD without me knowing because it thought I took over. And yes prior to v12, even though I used it on every trip there were many times I knew better than to let it be driving. With v12 it does every trip end-to-end without intervention (except for gates). We also got an X just over a year ago and my wife now drives the Y ... with v12 it's finally time she may starts using it. (She was very unhappy when I sold her car and made her drive the Y, she heated the regenerative braking . A few months later when she started driving her car we keep a our home up north all she did was complain about how it kept running away on her.) We're both now over 80 and it sees all around it (and we don't turn our bodies like we use to) and it reacts faster than we can. We do two 2,000 mile road trips a year and our average charging time last year was 13.5 minutes ... faster than we can shuffle to the bathroom and back. You talked about round-abouts. We have a very busy two-lane one near our house ... with v11 I would take over as we arrived. With v12 I never worry about what it's going to do no matter how far around it's going. For over two years, my wife has driven 2 miles out of her way just to avoid it. As soon as I can get her to feel comfortable the car will drive her anywhere.
I use it daily. I live near you on the north side of ATL and work at the airport 17-25 days per month. I use FSD down 400 and on the connector every time I go to work. Now with 12.3.3 I use it on all the side streets, too. I've been using it full time since the safety score early days. Hopefully in my Cybertruck soon 😁
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I loved this video, thank you for taking the time and effort to make it! FSD's come so far from your first FSD video (the first video I viewed of your channel), and the one you put out last year. Some of the interesting parts of this video for me: 3:20 Y'all driving around in the N ATL burbs is surreal. I drive these roads regularly. 5:32 It taking these right turn lanes appropriately without stopping. In old versions, I'd imagine it stops at the red light even though that right turn onto McFarland has right of way at all times because it has its own lane. 6:30 The confidence to proceed with the left turn despite the oncoming van having its own right of way too. It doesn't freak out like old versions, or even a person not familiar with the intersection might. Then the immediate move over to the right lane smoothly. Waiting for all of those bicyclists to cross, very naturally and not freaking them out was cool. Only thing it screwed up at Halcyon was that wacky park job. 😆 10:53 Nice U-Turn and commit despite the light turning yellow. 14:38 Caney after that three-way stop is a super tight road with practically no shoulders. I see plenty of people driving left of center while going around those bends... it looks like FSD handles it well. 15:40 You did this intersection if your first FSD video and it did terribly with it. Huge improvement. Very natural being somewhat occluded by the median. 19:25 Solid merge onto the freeway. You can imagine an all EV future where vehicles have more or less the same acceleration and one slow accelerator is not holding up the whole line of cars. 19:40 I think the reason it chooses not to complete the lane change is because of the solid white line coming in for that Kimball Bridge construction project. It didn't handle it very gracefully, but it seemed like it was more awkward than dangerous. 20:50 Waiting that late to get into the exit lane would stress me out too, especially cutting in right behind another vehicle. I do think Kim's thesis may be right though. How often do you see humans do that very thing, wait until the last moment and cut in giving no room to someone in front, behind, or both? FSD being trained on human data is a double-edged sword. 22:12 To confidently go around the truck moving left of center like that is impressive. No big deal for us humans because understand the rules have exceptions for this scenario, but for FSD, it has data showing it exceptions, but it doesn't know WHY the exception exists. Hence why the confidence impresses me. 23:20 That park job. 🤣 25:30 It definitely saw those pedestrians headed toward the road quickly. That cautiousness is super-encouraging. As it improves over time, imagine its ability to stop for animals and children dashing into the road. 29:23 This is simultaneously frightening and super impressive. That was the right maneuver and technically very safe, but yes, all those cars in the right lane (with a yield)... that's a lot of volume to make a left in front of with confidence. I love it. On the issue of price, I do think the $12k is absurd until it is legit FSD, sleep in the backseat style. Perhaps you guys consider the $200/mo trial on your X? It'd take 5 years of subscription before costing as much as the $12k... Do you think you'll have your current X for that long? Great video. I love watching the progress of FSD and I've not found any other ATLiens sharing their experiences with it. Thanks again for your efforts!
I frequently use a two lane section US Hwy 15 in NC and because of the lack of speed limit signs FSD thinks the speed limit is 15 when it’s 55. Knowing this I switched out of letting FSD anticipate the speed of the car and just set my max speed at 60 which has worked great.
Thanks for the great FSD drive and your honest comments. I just bought a used 2018 Model X with EAP as my 2nd place holder vehicle patiently (not really) waiting for my Cybertruck Reservation. I upgraded the MX to HW 3 which allows FSD. EAP to FSD upgrade is $6K and the FSD subscription price for EAP owners is $99/mo. Since I haven't been offered the free FSD trial on any of the family's Tesla's (2-Model 3's, a Model Y and now the X). I think I will subscribe to FSD with the X and see how that goes. I'm a person who likes to drive which is one of the reasons I love Tesla's but I'm not getting any younger and having FSD for road trips would be nice. EAP is fine for Highway driving but the places we like to go often are on older roads where the EAP features are useless. Your drive gives me hope ... thanks again Kim and PJ. 👍👍
I have used FAD almost daily since it was made public and I am so impressed by this version. I believe those who use it daily are the ones most impressed. I paid $7000 and did transfer it to a new Model Y last year. My hope is that it will be transferable in the future.
2020 M3 with FSD beta…. Before this current version, it was more of an annoyance than anything. This new version is excellent. I use it daily now and am very impressed.
Great video! I've been using FSD Beta for 2+ years and as you are seeing, the progress is really impressive! Regarding the speed limit setting to 40 on the highway, this version mistakes the "Minimum Speed" limit signs on highways as actual speed limit signs. This is new behavior in v12, and I've seen it throughout the highways here in GA, hope they fix it soon.
Here’s a little feedback. 12.3.3 on an expressway I came up behind a slower moving truck (15 under the speed limit). My Tesla didn’t initiate a go around (2 lanes available, no other traffic). So I put on the turn signal and waited. My Tesla would not change lanes. All I can suppose is that my car is in chill mode, so chill is what I’m gonna get.
I purchased FSD in 2020 and with this new version 12.3.3 it is finally very useful. I think it will be even better when they adjust the neural networks to rewrite the code for the freeway. I do think that they should make FSD in two formats. Personal use and commercial use. When he talks about how much money it is worth I’m never gonna use my car as a Robo taxi. I will only use it for personal use so the value of it is not worth the same as someone that would use it to make income. They should just have two versions of it. Also, I think that if they made it lifetime transferable one vehicle at a time I would probably pay up to 15,000 for that because I know that if I have an accident or traded in I’m not going to lose it Also if I ever rented a Tesla it would carryover to me in a rental. I do have a reservation for the cyber truck and I had checked the box for the option to get it at $6000 so I am trusting they’re going to honor that because I put my money down under those conditions. if for some reason, they don’t honor the 6000 then I will not purchase the cyber truck.
From what I see here, and my own experience, I’m giving it a C+. In no way or world is it worth a whopping 12k, far better spent on a motorcycle. And If the FSD price continues to go up, that’s there problem, not mine. In no world do I need 12k worth of driving when I do it free myself everyday
Thanks for doing this video. I might get it on a monthly basis for trips. After 56 years of driving I could use the assistance going thru Columbus or Cincinnati for long trips.
We've had FSD since December of 2021. Now our FSDv12 occasionally misses speed limit signs, but we like it a lot better than we did version 11. We basically stopped using v11 because it did phantom braking on the highway and took the wrong exits sometimes. It was a pain in the neck. Now we have high hopes that FSD will be very smooth and safe by the end of the year.
I’ve had FSD for years. 12.3.3 is absolutely amazing and I actually use more often than not not. In the past FSD was only for when I was absolutely comfortable with the route. Now I engage it everywhere. It has pulled into parking lots and parked itself too. It’s awesome. Cannot wait for more advances.
As an owner of Tesla S & X, I want TESLA to lower the MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION to $50. All my relatives, friends, and neighbors love that idea, so they will also SUBSCRIBE on that. Please make a PETITION to TESLA to make it $50/month the FSD. Have a great day to y'all!
Great video guys. I had the chance to use FSD in my parents new X. It worked great, merged well, turned right on reds it accelerated well after turns also. I didn't notice the speed issue. I was impressed, I don't have fsd on my 2018 M3, so it was fun to use.
I have v12 and the tendency to turn and drive close to the sidewalk edge is way more often than previous version. That’s is annoying but this aside, it is a clear improvement! No question asked!
FSD V12 is fantastic. First bought FSDbeta in 2019 then traded so had to buy again in 2020. With option to transfer my free supercharging and FSD in 1st quarter I did it and am very happy. FSDbeta could not do a simple 90 degree right turn in one location and V12 did it perfectly. You might not have seen the barrels and cones as you don’t have vision. My vision see everything including things I don’t see. I’ve got more than $12000 invested and I am delighted with the progress. I am 80 and believe FSD is making me a safer driver for both my protection and those around me.
I purchased my 2021 Model S back in January and enabled the monthly subscription the next day. I let it drive me down a rural road in the town that I live in and immediately cancelled because it was no where near ready. Fast forward to Easter Sunday and I get the notice of the trial when I get in the car. Like you and your husband, I was immediately apprehensive and ready to disengage at a moments notice. Fast forward a week and I let it drive me everywhere, even on these country roads. I’ve leaned the FSD is just a name and that it shines when you stay relaxed but involved. In fact, there are a few tricks I’ve found for all of the nuisance items you mentioned in the video. Like stopping short at stop signs, lane merging, and wrong speed limits. However, it is not worth $12k! Period. It’s not worth $199/mo. The pricing structure when Advanced Autopilot was available was fair for this still “supervised” essentially Beta version. Tesla is getting data that from every time I use it paid or not that they will use to make profit. Don’t share in the profit (stock holdings aside) and they can offset by leasing out the system that current owners are helping perfect to other manufacturers. Also, do you realize that you have paid the price of an additional vehicle with what you’ve paid for FSD that you didn’t use in two other Teslas? Ummm $12k? No way.
Great video.... I've used FSD just as soon as it was available everyday. Both on my Model 3 and X ...I use it every day. Agree as to V12 being the first not causing me to work hard ...and enjoy the car driving itself.
Hi, Are you aware that you can also subscribe to FSD on a monthly basis (turn it on/off whenever you want) Currently it costs $199/month ($212.43 with tax) Probably a good option for most instead of $12k - this then allows you to keep it when/if you switch to a new vehicle in the future
12:10 The yellow phase of a traffic light is meant for the driver to come to a safe stop when the light turns Red. „Gunning it" is a very bad habit and leads to accidents, or at the very least makes other traffic participants very uncomfortable. I am glad to see that FSD seems to do the right thing in these situations.
Great job on this video. Really enjoyed it. Happy to know you like this version of FSD and might use it. Keep in mind that not only is it a great luxury feature to be able to have your car drive you around comfortably while you supervise but it also results in a safer experience if you're paying attention.
I came back to watch this again, and I thought I'd give you a tip on the acceleration/deceleration. I noticed several times throughout the video where P.J. was noting how quickly it takes off from traffic control and other similar instances. I've heard that FSD will also behave slightly differently depending on your drive mode selected. So, if you were in standard acceleration, the car will be using that acceleration to it's full potential, but if you put it into the chill mode, then you're basically limiting the amount of power FSD can use for speeding up. Also, on another note, the highway FSD is actually not V12 yet, it's still running a different version of V11. So that may be why you were having some issues on the highway with speed, etc. Hope this helps/makes it more comfortable.
Thanks for the real life experience w/ the latest version of FSD. 2 things; 1.) as a male driver, I am more likely to wait and not go during yellow lights, so I would disagree that it must’ve been programmed by a female-as jokingly mentioned by PJ. 2.) Kim definitely looks geek chic in glasses and should wear them all the time, always, no hesitation.
10:13 I just bought a used 2019 M3LR with FSD and I'm definitely using the Beta as much as I can. It's pretty hit-and-miss so far, but I'm enjoying it overall. There's a turn-off to a side road that used to be wide open but now has one of those concrete barriers in the middle that you guys noticed it doesn't see. Well sure enough it doesn't see them despite it having reflectors standing up in the middle of it. I had to disengage because it tried to drive straight into that. I've also stopped it from going into one of the short concrete ones in the middle of the highway with no markers on it. I also noticed it doesn't seem to have any merging etiquette. I've had it both try to cut someone off and not slow down to let someone pass me in merging. It also does not signal when merging but I can do that easy enough. Related to the above, I really dislike how it handles passing lanes. If the lanes open up to the left, it's fine because it's already in the slow lane. However, in any situation where they open to the right, it will just stay in the fast lane regardless of the situation. (I do not have the minimal lane changes selected.) I had an angry person on my ass and it didn't want to get over. What's extra frustrating about it is I will signal to go right to try to counter this behavior and it will signal, move slightly, cancel and go back into the lane, then I signal again to say "No. Bad. Get over.", and it will (often very slowly like it's being maliciously compliant) finally move over. Usually, it will also stay lined up to the left side of the lane which is extra nerve-wracking when some jerk wants to pass me. It also often seems to just slow down for no apparent reason. I'm just cruising at the set max speed on a smooth road with no issues and it suddenly slows down from the set 60 to 58...56...speeds back up...slows back down...why? I want to be a set consistent speed so that I'm predictable and people can use their normal cruise controls in their cars and not get annoyed at the car ahead of them fluctuating their speed. (I guess this is also a human behavior we don't want copied 'cause I see people space out and do this a lot.) It doesn't like people turning off the road in front of me. It slows down for them which is fine and what I would do, but when they're turning off the road it will wait until they are *completely* off the road before it accelerates instead of just casually accelerating as they get out of your way. It's very awkward. It's also pretty weird about lane changes (which I think I remember being a common thing for the previous versions). I've had it just jump into the fast lane of the highway just because when I'm going a perfectly reasonable speed and I have to cancel it and get back because some a-hole wants to go 20 over the speed limit and is zooming up behind me. It also sometimes jumps into another lane to just go faster which is very human-like. lol Something I really want to see and I'm not 100% sure yet if it's still not doing this: getting over to the slow lane about 1-2 miles before an exit and staying there. I've seen this be a common issue in people's FSD videos and I'm hoping it learns to be more cognizant of the navigation and what lanes you should be in and when. Another thing I really really really want from doing this beta is for it to automatically go to a set increment (for me 5MPH over the speed limit) at each sign. There's an option for a mode that adjusts speed as the Tesla sees fit but that is terrifying. It just says "MAX" in blue with no indication of the actual max speed and I had it going fast enough to catch a ticket so I just quickly cancelled it. I just want to be able to cruise at 5 over. It's not the end of the world flicking up on the right scroll every time I hit a new speed sign but it is a bit annoying. On the positive side I recently had an experience where someone slammed on their brakes ahead of me but I let the Tesla handle it and it was shocking how smoothly it handled it. It did not hesitate at all. I would've let off the accelerator for sure and it just smoothly continued knowing that it would not have to slow down. I was blown away.
On the highway it changed back to it’s own lane because, being trained by humans it knows that although there is a solid white line to your left that a human puts on the signal early before it changes too a dashed line and it was thinking that line should have changed to a dashed line, but when it didn’t and stayed solid it knows it is not supposed to cross a solid line and went back to its lane and stayed there because it was a solid line the whole way.
Im about 25k miles in since 2021 and i use FSD every chance I get. Before v11 my interventions used to be 5% of time on average. With v12, my interventions i feel have been less than 2% of time. It's still supervised of course but the technology is getting there
The danger of pulling up so quickly when the traffic lights are amber, is that drivers following you are likely to rear end you. And if not you, then maybe three or more cars further back being rear ended due to the combination of cumulative breaking delayed actions, reducing the breaking distance.
My experience, I had some interesting situations, FSD stopped at a Traffic light making a Right Turn on red (allowed in BC) but it did not proceed, I missed the pedestrian that actually finally started waking across from the right to left (he was hidden offset to a light stand that blocked my view), 2 sets of eyes are better than one set, Awestruck with how it is working. Today, it allowed a car entering from a mall access lane proceed in front as we were holding at a red light, very human like, the driver waived us thanks. it hit a light about 1 second it changed from green to yellow and it proceeded through, I would have done the same. Other longer yellow it stops for. Great technology!!! I really like how it works without lane markings, a lot of lane markings including the yellow line in the middle and the white lines have worn out over the winter here on the Sunshine Coast BC, but it drives like a professional!
A great video show FSD for beginners! I've been testing FSD since June 2023. FSD has been like a singing pig. It's totally amazing when the pig is singing on key; however, its annoying (and dangerous in FSD's case) when it's not singing on key. V12.3.3 is better than V11, but it still has persistent bugs where it does a seriously wrong thing in the same place on LA freeways. It should still be a beta if it makes wrong decisions persistently. I've been posting that Tesla should have an FSD simulator/trainer right on your car. There are a number of different expert rules every FSD user should know before they will be confident or comfortable with FSD. Tesla wouldn't ever tell you about most of them, but your video touched on several of them. For example, PJ is holding the steering wheel correctly. He is resting his left hand on his left knee and holding the steering wheel lightly with his left hand. This steering while hold is the best way to keep your arms and hands from getting tired on long trips. You noticed the speed limit mistakes and the "wandering" at the end of trip. There are strategies for mitigating these problems. Of course, with the lowered $99 subscription fee (go with the subscription model). I'm sure you are mad about how much you paid for FSD on the Model 3. BTW NHTSA insists that Tesla make FSD stop correctly at traffic lights and stop signs. It's not Tesla's or FSD's fault; blame the government.
I have a 4 month old M3P and I drove 32 miles from my office to a window tinter the other day. 60% was interstate and the rest was city driving and no disconnects going there and one coming back to my office. I actually disconnected it because it wanted to get in a right lefthand turnlane and I wanted to be in the left lefthand turnlane so it really didn't do anything wrong. My guess is a newer Tesla will do better than your 2018 model.
I have a 2023 and it shows a great deal more than what you're seeing on your screen as far as cones and stuff. Also the newer computer never freezes like yours did... so I think you'll have a better experience on newer hardware
I think most people will bias towards the $199 monthly subscription long term. Full price will probably be reserved for people that want to add their car to the Robotaxi network.
I’m an early adopter of 2014 Tesla P85D, which is still on the road. I have mixed feelings about FSD, but it should definitely stay with the owner NOT the car.
I enjoy driving versus being driven, but I do find this quite cool for longer rides; excellent tech!! Have used it each time I drive and have run into a few supervised moments after having used the accelerator with FSD then questioned whether FSD would stop as expected (after having taken my foot off accelerator/ gotten up to speed; sometimes not fast enough.)
I maybe be the oddball in this conversation but I suspect I’m in the majority when I say I have no interest in FSD. It will be part of the future driving experience but my guess is it will a few decades before it becomes an accepted norm.
I use FSD once in awhile, the latest update is great, but it still has lane selection issues, does not avoid potholes or dead animals in the road, and doesn't avoid puddles or sketchy parts of the road. Still a long way to go, but definitely starting to get useful. I would say it's worth about $3k now, nowhere near 12k. I paid 10k but I'm ok with it, it's been fun to test for 2 years. And it did save my car from getting sideswiped a couple times from idiot drivers on their phones.
A quick comment: I also live in Georgia and have observed the same incorrect 40mph speed limit popping up on the highways. I believe the car is seeing the ‘minimum 40’ speed limit signs we have in Georgia. You will see these right after the regular speed limit sign in almost all cases. Tesla needs to update to ignore the ‘minimum 40mph’ signs
Really appreciated this video. Currently using v11.1 and continually amazed at its progress from the beginning. We are on our 3rd ModelX lease and have purchased the FSD feature for all. We definitely feel “slighted” as you say, however I feel we are investing in an amazing technology. I really like the technology that Tesla has brought to us and I plan to be exclusively Tesla once I get my CyberTruck! +$10K for an 3 year lease is too much to pay for FSD, but if we can get real FSD before our next 3-year lease then that’ll be nice!
I’m retired so I don’t drive daily, but I use it every time I drive. I’m new to Tesla, with a February 2024 purchase, but I knew I wanted FSD since seeing that 12.xx was going to neural network, so I bought a low mileage Model S through Tesla that came with FSD. Awesome car, and very good but not great FSD (yet). I’m definitely a Tesla convert, so much so that I bought $15k of Tesla stock after getting my car and using FSD 12.3.
My son had FSD on his 2020 Y, but when the deer crossed the road, the Tesla didn't see it in time. It was dark. It was night. My son said the deer was just there. Boom! He's okay. The Tesla was totaled. I would try his FSD periodically. For about 2 minutes at a time. It did such stupid, life-threatening things that I had to frantically seize control back. And, I yelled at the developers. Multiple times. Why did you disengage? "Out of the blue, it decided to veer into oncoming traffic. I could see the traffic! Why would it do that? Augh!" And, each one of those incidents would be the extent of my interaction with whatever version of FSD that was, and likely the next few versions after that. It made me very nervous. That said... I've been following the progress, via UA-cam, and with 12.3, it looks promising. I'm tempted to book a test drive just to check it out. Now... my son was an early adopter. I believe he paid $7,000 for FSD. I think it's probably worth about $5k, as a feature. I don't know what the plan is. I know they want to make Robotaxis, and my son told me that the plan was to have all the vehicles with FSD could become robotaxi fleet members, when they turned that on for the public. And, my son was looking forward to having his Tesla make money for him. So... as a business proposition, I think whatever Tesla wants to charge for the ability to have my car be a member of the fleet, in order to earn me money, that's probably okay. But, as just a feature for me to use, I don't want my car driving for anyone else, just me... I think that's worth about $5,000, on top of the cost of the car. Now, I don't live in a big city. I live near a small city, but I'm out in the boonies. All I do with my current gas-guzzler, is drive to the store, drive to the doctor's office, drive to church, and drive home. As I'm getting older, it would be nice to have the car do the driving, once it's capable. But, as the cars get smarter, I would expect that to be a feature of the car. So, I'm not willing to pay 'hiring a driver' prices. Personally, I just want the freedom to be able to go whenever I want. Wherever I want. If I get a call from my daughter out of town, and we want to go visit the grandbaby, I want to be able to, right then and there, get in my vehicle and go. I don't want to call a service. I don't want to pay a per-mile fee. I just want to go. And, if I'm driving a Tesla... I want it to do the driving, and be really good at it. That's just me. Thank you for your test drive. I like what some of the other reviewers are saying: This is the worst that FSD will be from now on. It's only going to get better from here. With 12.3, I've actually been able to watch entire test drive videos uninterrupted. On previous version, I had to stop the videos because they were just making me too nervous!
My wife and I are using the 30 day free trial offer on her Model Y and we both love it, except for the price. I have a 2019 Model 3 for around town use and it came with Enhanced auto pilot which reduces the price of FSD to $6000, but I’m not going to buy it for just running errands. We’re retired on fixed income, so $12g is out of the question. We’ve been driving Teslas for about four years so the transition to FSD was an easy one. ❤
Thanks for sharing. I'm an advocate for transferable FSD. As a matter of fact i feels it should rather.be linked to the owners account and not the vehicle. If fsd is on your account and you fly to another city, rent a Tesla, log in with your account and have Full self driving available.
I agree. The take rake would be higher if they gave previous owners a credit from a previous car purchased. Also should lower the price to $125/mo and 3k total. When it is perfected then can raise price to 10k.
I’m in the same situation with the FSD in the wrong car. I always hated the policy of having the expensive FSD upgrade staying with the car upon sale of it. I was an early adopter with the program with my 2018 Model 3 and I decided to keep my car after the warranty period expired. But as soon as Tesla allowed the FSD to be transferred last summer I took advantage of it and traded my 18 for a new 23 Model Y. I also own a 22 Model S Plaid that I decided not to buy FSD for the additional $15,000, at the time, with the Plaid. Now with the version 12 improvements I’m on the fence about getting it for the S. If they changed their policy about transferring it permanently, I might do it, but until then I’m just going to rent it when planning long road trips.
I did a few hour road trip and on the highway with 12.3.3 it was in the left lane on a divided highway -- at least twice, maybe three times it moved into a left turn lane at 75 mph.
We've had the beta on our y for 2 years, I use it 98% of the time and my wife uses it about 50%. If you allow yourself to really trust it, it really is phenomenal. I trust it more than when myself or my wife driving
Love your videos. I've been a Tesla driver since 2013. Sadly, I'm still waiting to get FSD in my 2016 Model S. Paid for it. Flipped the switch to get into the beta queue. Still haven't seen it. I love the car, but it's frustrating that us early adopters get no love.
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I’ve been using FSD daily and do like it a lot. Have been seeing a lot of the same things you experienced and described. It accelerates way too quickly, to the point where I feel I will run through tires faster… It seems very hesitant at 4-way stops and always stops way too early at intersections, so then needs to creep out to actually see traffic. It also doesn’t seem to know what to do once my destinations are reached, just slowly creeps ahead for some reason. Finally, I have been finding that it will follow slow cars on the highway instead of passing them. I constantly need to coax it to pass. On the bright side, it does drive much better than an earlier versions I had tried, and reacts naturally while driving, following the flow of traffic. It even slowed down for road bumps! I do wish it also saw and avoided potholes… Overall, it is a great feature, but way overpriced. I would absolutely purchase it at 10% of its current price.
Fsd 12 vast improvements. Concerning whether it will stop for gates, in my experience I was going through a toll gate and I had to disengage fsd as the car would have ran through the gate. It appears it still does not see the bar.
Although people may not be “using” it actively. It is actually always running in the background and pretending to drive while you are and besides just recording everything for training the AI it will mark, notate and send in every instance that you do something that was different than what the car was thinking it should have done.
Noticed you had your speed setting on offset. There's a new setting Auto Max speed. In this setting FSD determines the speed, you can't adjust using scroll wheel. Hiwever you can press the accelerator without disengaging. It might have gone slower exiting the dirt driveway because speed offset seems to have many roads at 25 mph. Thanks for the video and I think it's worth it because I plan on using it for family and friends robotaxi. My mom is in her 80s as well as many of her friends. My wife also have neuropathy in her feet, so a couple more updates and I think she will be independent once again. Once I get the cybertruck I want to put this in the robotaxi fleet so to me it's a good investment.
With respect to the yellow lights, in _my_ state, the official law is essentially "yellow means 'stop' if you can stop safely"; it's not "yellow means 'go' if you think you'll be able to enter the intersection before it turns red."
One thing i can't stand since the release of beta is that it drives extremely slow in the tunnels here in NYC and it tries to change lanes even though there's cones/ barriers between the lanes.
I can't wait until it's gone!!! Driving to dinner approached left turn on green, car length from enter section light turned yellow steering wheel started shaking. I took over and accelerated through. On the way home from dinner same thing going straight through light when car length from enter section car slowed down really fast, enough to push is forward into our seat belts another yellow light. I thought I wasn't seeing something so I hit the brakes. Glad no one was behind us. Still not ready. 2023 Model Y
Where I live there are a lot of potholes. Been waiting almost 5 years now for FSD to start avoiding potholes. Elon did say it would eventually be able to do so. Hopefully it will sometime this year.
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As aging adults, 66 and 73, we no longer enjoy driving.
Ten hour trips that we used to do in one a day are now split up into two days.
We just returned from a long trip to Nashville, and used FSD for the entire trip.
Nashville traffic was heavy with 12 lanes of high speed driving, multiple entrances and exits, and cars constantly cutting me off. Adding to the stress was rain and fog.
FSD handled it well.
One thing that changed during the trip was it used to pass as needed to keep up with my set speed. On the second day it only passed when I used the turn signal to indicate a lane change. I didn’t like this change.
In spite of the few flaws, I’m buying FSD.
The only decision is do I subscribe or buy it?
We just bought the car, a 2023 M3 rear wheel drive, 5 months ago.
This is our first EV.
Without FSD the trip to Nashville would have been far less enjoyable due to the traffic.
FSD feels like when GPS developed into what it is today. Today, few people would want to take a trip without using GPS. The same will be true for FSD in the decades ahead.
Buy Tesla stock while it’s still affordable.
Love your videos.
Thanks for making them.
Do you use it at night? I heard it sometimes just stops suddenly on the highway for no reason at night.
Great video guys! I purchased FSD in 2019 for my 2018 M3 and have been a Beta tester since then. Kim, I also felt FSD was a lot of work to use. I'm 76 so my energy level isn't what it used to be, but I wanted to make as much of a contribution as possible to the system. I used it every single day, but V11 almost made me stop. V12 is mostly a joy to use & I'm looking forward to a rapidly improving experience. I purchased FSD because I didn't want to end up the same as so many older individuals who are so restricted because of loss of ability to drive. Many, many places don't have adequate public transportation & even when they are available, not very convenient. On V12.3.3 I still have the problem of turning into inappropriate turn-only lanes. I believe that the highway is still on V11, so the single stack is something to look forward to.
I am also very frustrated with the lack of ability to transfer FSD. As a retired teacher on a very small income I have not been able to take advantage of any of the transfer offers, because I can't just jump up & purchase a new vehicle within a short time span. As an early adopter of both a Tesla and FSD I would be happier with Tesla if they acknowledged that by allowing me to transfer it at any time.
These two has got to be the most genuine and nicest couple on UA-cam. Sometimes it just comes through!
Used the beta and used it over 800 miles so far. Did about 400 miles on FSD going this weekend. There were city roads, country roads and in town driving.
It was both amazing and upsetting.
What was amazing it changed lanes to keep pace, moved over a bit for trucks, my wife loved that,
and came to gentle slow downs, to turn right or left. It also drove on two lane roads with no lines off to the right, but some of them were so sloped from the center I took over and drove in the center until I needed to move over for oncoming cars.
The issues were more than a few. 1) Constantly at issue was it knowing what the speed limit was. It would turn on to a country roads, not see a sign and not know how fast to go, (they are typically 55). If it was going 55 before a town, get the slow down to 45mph, drive through the town and not know or miss the sign to go 55 again. It also changed the speed limit by a stop sign to 15mph cross the road and not speed back up to 55mph. This was annoying. It also asked me to shake the wheel when it was making a turn. That was messed up. On the highway it would see a truck speed limit and not know it was for trucks and slow the car down to 60 from 65. In general it was doing a lot of adjustments to speed that were wrong.
Even with these annoying issues, it drove 90% of the way there and back. It did an amazing job and my wife was very impressed. I believe strongly that Level 3 is possible this year.
Speed issue can be solved, especially Tesla can "cheat" and hardcode the speeds as per your geo-locations.
@@archigoel It's best that Tesla solve the speed issues through vision alone
@itsKimJava whenever u feel FSD is hesitating or slow to act, give the accelerator a little push, 90% of the time, it'll speed right action so far 100% for me
I have FSD 12.3.3 and driving around town it is really good. The turns are more human like, the speed selection is more natural and i hardly intervene. Most of my interventions are not needed - I need to get my confidence up. I have had FSD for 5 years. This is the first time I can really consider using it in traffic in cities. Highways have been great for years now, but even there the speed selection is better and I think it makes smoother lane changes now than on earlier version.
I've had it since 2019, never worked a day yet. I purchased full self-driving, not me taking over. By time I actually get full self-driving, the car will be probably ready for the junkyard. You should not legally be allowed to make promises such as full self-driving and sell it for $12,000. And then never deliver
I use it daily and have probably logged over 50k miles with it. v12.3.3 is the first version that has gotten me from point to point without having to disengage it. Don't get me wrong it will occasionally choose the incorrect lane which will cause me to correct it but I must say it has been a huge improvement. My neighbor also has it and it is the first version that he has used daily as well. In the past he would try it once a new update would hit and then immediately stop using it.
Ya, I think by next year, most Tesla users will forget about how to actually drive. 😄
Fanboys are funny, having to keep your hands on the wheel and constantly stressing over it making a mistake is worthless. Driving yourself is way less difficult
@@daveblock For me it is about the tech and getting it to a place where it safer than a human. A little self serving as I am in my mid 50s and by the time I get to a place where I can't drive as well as I am today it would be nice to hop in my car and just tell it to drive me to Costco ;)
@DerekRasina Same with me but need it to get there sooner than later as I'm turning 70 later this year.
@@580guru Wow, what a failure attitude.
The speed limit changes to 40 MPH is being caused by the “MINIMUM SPEED 40MPH” signs.
It does it to me on I-85 a lot.
Love it. Use it daily. Definitely some quirks and situations that taking over is best like construction on highways. Why don't you just pay the monthly subscription? Everyone keeps saying $12,000. Most people change cars within 5 yrs and then you are not out the whole amount!
If you sell the car with FSD you get more for that car. If you pay 200 a month for 5 years you are out the full 12k because you get nothing back.
Good job
@@dang2055They really should make the FSD transferable with a small fee or something.
I got enhanced autopilot with my 2023 Model Y. My FSD subscription is only $99 / month. Better than $12k outright and $200 / month.
@@christopherchaffee1408I think people will buy even 💩 if you know how to sell it.
A few days ago, I did a 10 mile round trip and FSD performed flawlessly. Today, however, I did a 30 mile trip and had to do several interventions. One was where it inexplicably slowed to 45 on the freeway in the left lane, and then proceeded to fail to change lanes with less than 0.1 mile to our exit. Doesn't seem to plan ahead for freeway exits. I've seen this behavior many times. Then on the trip home, it jumped into the left turn lane on a city street to prepare for a RIGHT hand turn. Then, at the last second, it swerved all the way over to the right lane. Fortunately, there was no one behind us.
Seems like FSD has good days and bad days.
Regarding the 40 mph speed limit on freeway I400, we have a "minimum speed 40 mph" sign. Tesla's FSD reads the "white rectangle" sign shape and the number 40, but fails to read the text or doesn't read it at all, which is why it sets a speed limit for the car at 40 mph.
been using the latest beta 2 weeks ago (model Y), use it while driving for uber, yesterday i got on a 15 mins ride $15 tip while demoing it to a passenger :) I always use FSD speciallly between rides
I think with the solid line on the freeway it didn't want to change lanes. Highway is still using the old FSD v11 stack, so it doesn't get the same as city streets. If you have it set to auto speed, and it says auto then you are FSD V12, if you see the max speed, it is FSD v11.
That's an interesting tip about how to tell if you are still using part of the old highway stack. Thx!
One thing I don’t like is that it has a very heavy foot starting from a standstill. Also it got lost at a downtown highway interchange… still it’s definitely an improvement from V11 (which drove like a drunk man and scared my passengers)
I noticed that too, maybe I should not be in ascertive mode or whatever it's called, and also be in chill mode?
So far for me it has chirped tires braking for a fresh yellow light, so we could do without the whiplash, but massive improvement.
Chill mode is definitely better
Ive had fsd for 4 years now and I didnt use it much with v11 but now with v12 I use it a lot. Its so much better and is enjoyable to use. They are so close to a robotaxi now
25.54 it's nice to see someone who understand it .
When you guys discussed the 40 speed limit, you thought that it was the last sign it scanned b4 you entered the highway. However, it mistakenly takes " 40 Minimum " speed signs and makes it the speed limit. Does that to me all the time. I use Autopilot everywhere I go now. Its fantastic!
We tried it on a road trip down from Atlanta to Orlando. It was great except the speed limit signs in Ga. We have a minimum speed limit sign and then a speed limit sign. The car was constantly going from 75 to 40 and back. Wasn’t a confidence builder. Once we were in Florida it was almost perfect! They list both speeds on the same sign and FSD reads that properly. If they fix the minimum speed limit problem it would great.
Love the update. You mentioned you feel like you could take a nap as a passenger. My wife hated the previous version and wouldn't allow me to use it with her in the car but with the update, she has made a shopping list on her phone and caught up on work emails while I am driving with the updated FSD. That was the true test for me. She actually uses this sometimes now as well. Such a huge improvement but still way out of our price range for FSD.
version 12 is awesome !!! much like a human driving !!
In a lot of ways it really is. Watch to the end…makes it scary what is possible in a few years if not a few months!
I've been using FSD for over 2.5 years. My biggest problem is the nudge problem. I normally hold the wheel lightly and it doesn't think I am. When I do hold it tigher it often goes out of FSD without me knowing because it thought I took over. And yes prior to v12, even though I used it on every trip there were many times I knew better than to let it be driving. With v12 it does every trip end-to-end without intervention (except for gates). We also got an X just over a year ago and my wife now drives the Y ... with v12 it's finally time she may starts using it. (She was very unhappy when I sold her car and made her drive the Y, she heated the regenerative braking . A few months later when she started driving her car we keep a our home up north all she did was complain about how it kept running away on her.) We're both now over 80 and it sees all around it (and we don't turn our bodies like we use to) and it reacts faster than we can. We do two 2,000 mile road trips a year and our average charging time last year was 13.5 minutes ... faster than we can shuffle to the bathroom and back.
You talked about round-abouts. We have a very busy two-lane one near our house ... with v11 I would take over as we arrived. With v12 I never worry about what it's going to do no matter how far around it's going. For over two years, my wife has driven 2 miles out of her way just to avoid it. As soon as I can get her to feel comfortable the car will drive her anywhere.
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I use it daily. I live near you on the north side of ATL and work at the airport 17-25 days per month. I use FSD down 400 and on the connector every time I go to work. Now with 12.3.3 I use it on all the side streets, too. I've been using it full time since the safety score early days.
Hopefully in my Cybertruck soon 😁
I loved this video, thank you for taking the time and effort to make it! FSD's come so far from your first FSD video (the first video I viewed of your channel), and the one you put out last year.
Some of the interesting parts of this video for me:
3:20 Y'all driving around in the N ATL burbs is surreal. I drive these roads regularly.
5:32 It taking these right turn lanes appropriately without stopping. In old versions, I'd imagine it stops at the red light even though that right turn onto McFarland has right of way at all times because it has its own lane.
6:30 The confidence to proceed with the left turn despite the oncoming van having its own right of way too. It doesn't freak out like old versions, or even a person not familiar with the intersection might. Then the immediate move over to the right lane smoothly. Waiting for all of those bicyclists to cross, very naturally and not freaking them out was cool. Only thing it screwed up at Halcyon was that wacky park job. 😆
10:53 Nice U-Turn and commit despite the light turning yellow.
14:38 Caney after that three-way stop is a super tight road with practically no shoulders. I see plenty of people driving left of center while going around those bends... it looks like FSD handles it well.
15:40 You did this intersection if your first FSD video and it did terribly with it. Huge improvement. Very natural being somewhat occluded by the median.
19:25 Solid merge onto the freeway. You can imagine an all EV future where vehicles have more or less the same acceleration and one slow accelerator is not holding up the whole line of cars.
19:40 I think the reason it chooses not to complete the lane change is because of the solid white line coming in for that Kimball Bridge construction project. It didn't handle it very gracefully, but it seemed like it was more awkward than dangerous.
20:50 Waiting that late to get into the exit lane would stress me out too, especially cutting in right behind another vehicle. I do think Kim's thesis may be right though. How often do you see humans do that very thing, wait until the last moment and cut in giving no room to someone in front, behind, or both? FSD being trained on human data is a double-edged sword.
22:12 To confidently go around the truck moving left of center like that is impressive. No big deal for us humans because understand the rules have exceptions for this scenario, but for FSD, it has data showing it exceptions, but it doesn't know WHY the exception exists. Hence why the confidence impresses me.
23:20 That park job. 🤣
25:30 It definitely saw those pedestrians headed toward the road quickly. That cautiousness is super-encouraging. As it improves over time, imagine its ability to stop for animals and children dashing into the road.
29:23 This is simultaneously frightening and super impressive. That was the right maneuver and technically very safe, but yes, all those cars in the right lane (with a yield)... that's a lot of volume to make a left in front of with confidence. I love it.
On the issue of price, I do think the $12k is absurd until it is legit FSD, sleep in the backseat style. Perhaps you guys consider the $200/mo trial on your X? It'd take 5 years of subscription before costing as much as the $12k... Do you think you'll have your current X for that long? Great video. I love watching the progress of FSD and I've not found any other ATLiens sharing their experiences with it. Thanks again for your efforts!
I frequently use a two lane section US Hwy 15 in NC and because of the lack of speed limit signs FSD thinks the speed limit is 15 when it’s 55. Knowing this I switched out of letting FSD anticipate the speed of the car and just set my max speed at 60 which has worked great.
Wonderful show, you two! Thank you for helping us all accelerate our learning with these incredible transportation systems! Peace
Thanks for the great FSD drive and your honest comments. I just bought a used 2018 Model X with EAP as my 2nd place holder vehicle patiently (not really) waiting for my Cybertruck Reservation. I upgraded the MX to HW 3 which allows FSD. EAP to FSD upgrade is $6K and the FSD subscription price for EAP owners is $99/mo. Since I haven't been offered the free FSD trial on any of the family's Tesla's (2-Model 3's, a Model Y and now the X). I think I will subscribe to FSD with the X and see how that goes. I'm a person who likes to drive which is one of the reasons I love Tesla's but I'm not getting any younger and having FSD for road trips would be nice. EAP is fine for Highway driving but the places we like to go often are on older roads where the EAP features are useless. Your drive gives me hope ... thanks again Kim and PJ. 👍👍
I have used FAD almost daily since it was made public and I am so impressed by this version. I believe those who use it daily are the ones most impressed. I paid $7000 and did transfer it to a new Model Y last year. My hope is that it will be transferable in the future.
2020 M3 with FSD beta….
Before this current version, it was more of an annoyance than anything. This new version is excellent. I use it daily now and am very impressed.
Great video! I've been using FSD Beta for 2+ years and as you are seeing, the progress is really impressive!
Regarding the speed limit setting to 40 on the highway, this version mistakes the "Minimum Speed" limit signs on highways as actual speed limit signs. This is new behavior in v12, and I've seen it throughout the highways here in GA, hope they fix it soon.
Here’s a little feedback. 12.3.3 on an expressway I came up behind a slower moving truck (15 under the speed limit). My Tesla didn’t initiate a go around (2 lanes available, no other traffic). So I put on the turn signal and waited. My Tesla would not change lanes. All I can suppose is that my car is in chill mode, so chill is what I’m gonna get.
I purchased FSD in 2020 and with this new version 12.3.3 it is finally very useful. I think it will be even better when they adjust the neural networks to rewrite the code for the freeway. I do think that they should make FSD in two formats. Personal use and commercial use. When he talks about how much money it is worth I’m never gonna use my car as a Robo taxi. I will only use it for personal use so the value of it is not worth the same as someone that would use it to make income. They should just have two versions of it. Also, I think that if they made it lifetime transferable one vehicle at a time I would probably pay up to 15,000 for that because I know that if I have an accident or traded in I’m not going to lose it Also if I ever rented a Tesla it would carryover to me in a rental. I do have a reservation for the cyber truck and I had checked the box for the option to get it at $6000 so I am trusting they’re going to honor that because I put my money down under those conditions. if for some reason, they don’t honor the 6000 then I will not purchase the cyber truck.
I agree but to be accurate $7000 was the day 1 Cybertruck FSD price.
From what I see here, and my own experience, I’m giving it a C+. In no way or world is it worth a whopping 12k, far better spent on a motorcycle. And If the FSD price continues to go up, that’s there problem, not mine. In no world do I need 12k worth of driving when I do it free myself everyday
Thanks for doing this video. I might get it on a monthly basis for trips. After 56 years of driving I could use the assistance going thru Columbus or Cincinnati for long trips.
That intersections are literally a mile from my house Johns Creek! I did a double take! I know these roads and they present a great challenge for FSD.
We've had FSD since December of 2021. Now our FSDv12 occasionally misses speed limit signs, but we like it a lot better than we did version 11. We basically stopped using v11 because it did phantom braking on the highway and took the wrong exits sometimes. It was a pain in the neck. Now we have high hopes that FSD will be very smooth and safe by the end of the year.
I’ve had FSD for years. 12.3.3 is absolutely amazing and I actually use more often than not not. In the past FSD was only for when I was absolutely comfortable with the route. Now I engage it everywhere. It has pulled into parking lots and parked itself too. It’s awesome. Cannot wait for more advances.
As an owner of Tesla S & X, I want TESLA to lower the MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION to $50.
All my relatives, friends, and neighbors love that idea, so they will also SUBSCRIBE on that.
Please make a PETITION to TESLA to make it $50/month the FSD.
Have a great day to y'all!
Great video guys. I had the chance to use FSD in my parents new X. It worked great, merged well, turned right on reds it accelerated well after turns also. I didn't notice the speed issue. I was impressed, I don't have fsd on my 2018 M3, so it was fun to use.
I have v12 and the tendency to turn and drive close to the sidewalk edge is way more often than previous version. That’s is annoying but this aside, it is a clear improvement! No question asked!
FSD V12 is fantastic. First bought FSDbeta in 2019 then traded so had to buy again in 2020. With option to transfer my free supercharging and FSD in 1st quarter I did it and am very happy. FSDbeta could not do a simple 90 degree right turn in one location and V12 did it perfectly. You might not have seen the barrels and cones as you don’t have vision. My vision see everything including things I don’t see. I’ve got more than $12000 invested and I am delighted with the progress. I am 80 and believe FSD is making me a safer driver for both my protection and those around me.
I purchased my 2021 Model S back in January and enabled the monthly subscription the next day. I let it drive me down a rural road in the town that I live in and immediately cancelled because it was no where near ready. Fast forward to Easter Sunday and I get the notice of the trial when I get in the car. Like you and your husband, I was immediately apprehensive and ready to disengage at a moments notice. Fast forward a week and I let it drive me everywhere, even on these country roads. I’ve leaned the FSD is just a name and that it shines when you stay relaxed but involved. In fact, there are a few tricks I’ve found for all of the nuisance items you mentioned in the video. Like stopping short at stop signs, lane merging, and wrong speed limits. However, it is not worth $12k! Period. It’s not worth $199/mo. The pricing structure when Advanced Autopilot was available was fair for this still “supervised” essentially Beta version. Tesla is getting data that from every time I use it paid or not that they will use to make profit. Don’t share in the profit (stock holdings aside) and they can offset by leasing out the system that current owners are helping perfect to other manufacturers.
Also, do you realize that you have paid the price of an additional vehicle with what you’ve paid for FSD that you didn’t use in two other Teslas? Ummm $12k? No way.
Great video.... I've used FSD just as soon as it was available everyday. Both on my Model 3 and X ...I use it every day. Agree as to V12 being the first not causing me to work hard ...and enjoy the car driving itself.
Hi,
Are you aware that you can also subscribe to FSD on a monthly basis (turn it on/off whenever you want)
Currently it costs $199/month ($212.43 with tax)
Probably a good option for most instead of $12k - this then allows you to keep it when/if you switch to a new vehicle in the future
Use it everyday, I felt with both FSD 11 and I driving it was safer than either of us alone. FSD 12 is close to being able to go solo.
12:10 The yellow phase of a traffic light is meant for the driver to come to a safe stop when the light turns Red. „Gunning it" is a very bad habit and leads to accidents, or at the very least makes other traffic participants very uncomfortable.
I am glad to see that FSD seems to do the right thing in these situations.
Great job on this video. Really enjoyed it. Happy to know you like this version of FSD and might use it. Keep in mind that not only is it a great luxury feature to be able to have your car drive you around comfortably while you supervise but it also results in a safer experience if you're paying attention.
I came back to watch this again, and I thought I'd give you a tip on the acceleration/deceleration. I noticed several times throughout the video where P.J. was noting how quickly it takes off from traffic control and other similar instances. I've heard that FSD will also behave slightly differently depending on your drive mode selected. So, if you were in standard acceleration, the car will be using that acceleration to it's full potential, but if you put it into the chill mode, then you're basically limiting the amount of power FSD can use for speeding up. Also, on another note, the highway FSD is actually not V12 yet, it's still running a different version of V11. So that may be why you were having some issues on the highway with speed, etc. Hope this helps/makes it more comfortable.
Great tip and thanks for watching!
I have it. 12.3.3 is a game changer reminds me of a teenager driving after a year
Thanks for the real life experience w/ the latest version of FSD. 2 things; 1.) as a male driver, I am more likely to wait and not go during yellow lights, so I would disagree that it must’ve been programmed by a female-as jokingly mentioned by PJ. 2.) Kim definitely looks geek chic in glasses and should wear them all the time, always, no hesitation.
10:13 I just bought a used 2019 M3LR with FSD and I'm definitely using the Beta as much as I can. It's pretty hit-and-miss so far, but I'm enjoying it overall.
There's a turn-off to a side road that used to be wide open but now has one of those concrete barriers in the middle that you guys noticed it doesn't see. Well sure enough it doesn't see them despite it having reflectors standing up in the middle of it. I had to disengage because it tried to drive straight into that. I've also stopped it from going into one of the short concrete ones in the middle of the highway with no markers on it.
I also noticed it doesn't seem to have any merging etiquette. I've had it both try to cut someone off and not slow down to let someone pass me in merging. It also does not signal when merging but I can do that easy enough.
Related to the above, I really dislike how it handles passing lanes. If the lanes open up to the left, it's fine because it's already in the slow lane. However, in any situation where they open to the right, it will just stay in the fast lane regardless of the situation. (I do not have the minimal lane changes selected.) I had an angry person on my ass and it didn't want to get over. What's extra frustrating about it is I will signal to go right to try to counter this behavior and it will signal, move slightly, cancel and go back into the lane, then I signal again to say "No. Bad. Get over.", and it will (often very slowly like it's being maliciously compliant) finally move over. Usually, it will also stay lined up to the left side of the lane which is extra nerve-wracking when some jerk wants to pass me.
It also often seems to just slow down for no apparent reason. I'm just cruising at the set max speed on a smooth road with no issues and it suddenly slows down from the set 60 to 58...56...speeds back up...slows back down...why? I want to be a set consistent speed so that I'm predictable and people can use their normal cruise controls in their cars and not get annoyed at the car ahead of them fluctuating their speed. (I guess this is also a human behavior we don't want copied 'cause I see people space out and do this a lot.)
It doesn't like people turning off the road in front of me. It slows down for them which is fine and what I would do, but when they're turning off the road it will wait until they are *completely* off the road before it accelerates instead of just casually accelerating as they get out of your way. It's very awkward.
It's also pretty weird about lane changes (which I think I remember being a common thing for the previous versions). I've had it just jump into the fast lane of the highway just because when I'm going a perfectly reasonable speed and I have to cancel it and get back because some a-hole wants to go 20 over the speed limit and is zooming up behind me. It also sometimes jumps into another lane to just go faster which is very human-like. lol
Something I really want to see and I'm not 100% sure yet if it's still not doing this: getting over to the slow lane about 1-2 miles before an exit and staying there. I've seen this be a common issue in people's FSD videos and I'm hoping it learns to be more cognizant of the navigation and what lanes you should be in and when. Another thing I really really really want from doing this beta is for it to automatically go to a set increment (for me 5MPH over the speed limit) at each sign. There's an option for a mode that adjusts speed as the Tesla sees fit but that is terrifying. It just says "MAX" in blue with no indication of the actual max speed and I had it going fast enough to catch a ticket so I just quickly cancelled it. I just want to be able to cruise at 5 over. It's not the end of the world flicking up on the right scroll every time I hit a new speed sign but it is a bit annoying.
On the positive side I recently had an experience where someone slammed on their brakes ahead of me but I let the Tesla handle it and it was shocking how smoothly it handled it. It did not hesitate at all. I would've let off the accelerator for sure and it just smoothly continued knowing that it would not have to slow down. I was blown away.
On the highway it changed back to it’s own lane because, being trained by humans it knows that although there is a solid white line to your left that a human puts on the signal early before it changes too a dashed line and it was thinking that line should have changed to a dashed line, but when it didn’t and stayed solid it knows it is not supposed to cross a solid line and went back to its lane and stayed there because it was a solid line the whole way.
Im about 25k miles in since 2021 and i use FSD every chance I get. Before v11 my interventions used to be 5% of time on average. With v12, my interventions i feel have been less than 2% of time. It's still supervised of course but the technology is getting there
The danger of pulling up so quickly when the traffic lights are amber, is that drivers following you are likely to rear end you. And if not you, then maybe three or more cars further back being rear ended due to the combination of cumulative breaking delayed actions, reducing the breaking distance.
I think even the old FSD was driving better than most people.
lol
My experience, I had some interesting situations, FSD stopped at a Traffic light making a Right Turn on red (allowed in BC) but it did not proceed, I missed the pedestrian that actually finally started waking across from the right to left (he was hidden offset to a light stand that blocked my view), 2 sets of eyes are better than one set, Awestruck with how it is working. Today, it allowed a car entering from a mall access lane proceed in front as we were holding at a red light, very human like, the driver waived us thanks. it hit a light about 1 second it changed from green to yellow and it proceeded through, I would have done the same. Other longer yellow it stops for. Great technology!!! I really like how it works without lane markings, a lot of lane markings including the yellow line in the middle and the white lines have worn out over the winter here on the Sunshine Coast BC, but it drives like a professional!
A great video show FSD for beginners! I've been testing FSD since June 2023. FSD has been like a singing pig. It's totally amazing when the pig is singing on key; however, its annoying (and dangerous in FSD's case) when it's not singing on key. V12.3.3 is better than V11, but it still has persistent bugs where it does a seriously wrong thing in the same place on LA freeways. It should still be a beta if it makes wrong decisions persistently.
I've been posting that Tesla should have an FSD simulator/trainer right on your car. There are a number of different expert rules every FSD user should know before they will be confident or comfortable with FSD. Tesla wouldn't ever tell you about most of them, but your video touched on several of them.
For example, PJ is holding the steering wheel correctly. He is resting his left hand on his left knee and holding the steering wheel lightly with his left hand. This steering while hold is the best way to keep your arms and hands from getting tired on long trips.
You noticed the speed limit mistakes and the "wandering" at the end of trip. There are strategies for mitigating these problems.
Of course, with the lowered $99 subscription fee (go with the subscription model). I'm sure you are mad about how much you paid for FSD on the Model 3.
BTW NHTSA insists that Tesla make FSD stop correctly at traffic lights and stop signs. It's not Tesla's or FSD's fault; blame the government.
Why pay $12k when you can get it for $200/month.
It’s less than $200 per month to finance $12,000. And the payment on the financed $12,000 will eventually go away.
It’s $99 a month right now! I think that’s a good price
Love hearing multiple points of views for certain items and issues of FSD!
I have a 4 month old M3P and I drove 32 miles from my office to a window tinter the other day.
60% was interstate and the rest was city driving and no disconnects going there and one coming back to my office. I actually disconnected it because it wanted to get in a right lefthand turnlane and I wanted to be in the left lefthand turnlane so it really didn't do anything wrong.
My guess is a newer Tesla will do better than your 2018 model.
There is a lot riding on this new update for Tesla. Hope it works out for them.
Maybe do a test of objects in the road, like garbage cans, roadkill, branches, pets (simulated, of course)?
it does slow down for speed bumps....
And when crossing railroad tracks.
I just had a trash can in the road, as well as a bunch of speed platform and standard speed bumps, handled all of them perfectly.
A real test requires real animals.
I have a 2023 and it shows a great deal more than what you're seeing on your screen as far as cones and stuff. Also the newer computer never freezes like yours did... so I think you'll have a better experience on newer hardware
I have FSD Beta (now Supervised) and use it every day in my commute to and from work, 114 miles every day.
I think most people will bias towards the $199 monthly subscription long term. Full price will probably be reserved for people that want to add their car to the Robotaxi network.
I’m an early adopter of 2014 Tesla P85D, which is still on the road.
I have mixed feelings about FSD, but it should definitely stay with the owner NOT the car.
Kim's face during parts of this video is priceless! I had the same look when I started using my free trial of FSD
I enjoy driving versus being driven, but I do find this quite cool for longer rides; excellent tech!! Have used it each time I drive and have run into a few supervised moments after having used the accelerator with FSD then questioned whether FSD would stop as expected (after having taken my foot off accelerator/ gotten up to speed; sometimes not fast enough.)
I maybe be the oddball in this conversation but I suspect I’m in the majority when I say I have no interest in FSD. It will be part of the future driving experience but my guess is it will a few decades before it becomes an accepted norm.
I use FSD once in awhile, the latest update is great, but it still has lane selection issues, does not avoid potholes or dead animals in the road, and doesn't avoid puddles or sketchy parts of the road. Still a long way to go, but definitely starting to get useful. I would say it's worth about $3k now, nowhere near 12k. I paid 10k but I'm ok with it, it's been fun to test for 2 years. And it did save my car from getting sideswiped a couple times from idiot drivers on their phones.
A quick comment: I also live in Georgia and have observed the same incorrect 40mph speed limit popping up on the highways.
I believe the car is seeing the ‘minimum 40’ speed limit signs we have in Georgia. You will see these right after the regular speed limit sign in almost all cases.
Tesla needs to update to ignore the ‘minimum 40mph’ signs
Really appreciated this video. Currently using v11.1 and continually amazed at its progress from the beginning. We are on our 3rd ModelX lease and have purchased the FSD feature for all. We definitely feel “slighted” as you say, however I feel we are investing in an amazing technology. I really like the technology that Tesla has brought to us and I plan to be exclusively Tesla once I get my CyberTruck! +$10K for an 3 year lease is too much to pay for FSD, but if we can get real FSD before our next 3-year lease then that’ll be nice!
I am an aging adult. I found using FSD for night driving or under heavy rain is very helpful.
I’m retired so I don’t drive daily, but I use it every time I drive. I’m new to Tesla, with a February 2024 purchase, but I knew I wanted FSD since seeing that 12.xx was going to neural network, so I bought a low mileage Model S through Tesla that came with FSD. Awesome car, and very good but not great FSD (yet).
I’m definitely a Tesla convert, so much so that I bought $15k of Tesla stock after getting my car and using FSD 12.3.
My son had FSD on his 2020 Y, but when the deer crossed the road, the Tesla didn't see it in time. It was dark. It was night. My son said the deer was just there. Boom! He's okay. The Tesla was totaled.
I would try his FSD periodically. For about 2 minutes at a time. It did such stupid, life-threatening things that I had to frantically seize control back. And, I yelled at the developers. Multiple times. Why did you disengage? "Out of the blue, it decided to veer into oncoming traffic. I could see the traffic! Why would it do that? Augh!" And, each one of those incidents would be the extent of my interaction with whatever version of FSD that was, and likely the next few versions after that. It made me very nervous.
That said... I've been following the progress, via UA-cam, and with 12.3, it looks promising. I'm tempted to book a test drive just to check it out.
Now... my son was an early adopter. I believe he paid $7,000 for FSD. I think it's probably worth about $5k, as a feature. I don't know what the plan is. I know they want to make Robotaxis, and my son told me that the plan was to have all the vehicles with FSD could become robotaxi fleet members, when they turned that on for the public. And, my son was looking forward to having his Tesla make money for him. So... as a business proposition, I think whatever Tesla wants to charge for the ability to have my car be a member of the fleet, in order to earn me money, that's probably okay. But, as just a feature for me to use, I don't want my car driving for anyone else, just me... I think that's worth about $5,000, on top of the cost of the car. Now, I don't live in a big city. I live near a small city, but I'm out in the boonies. All I do with my current gas-guzzler, is drive to the store, drive to the doctor's office, drive to church, and drive home. As I'm getting older, it would be nice to have the car do the driving, once it's capable. But, as the cars get smarter, I would expect that to be a feature of the car. So, I'm not willing to pay 'hiring a driver' prices. Personally, I just want the freedom to be able to go whenever I want. Wherever I want. If I get a call from my daughter out of town, and we want to go visit the grandbaby, I want to be able to, right then and there, get in my vehicle and go. I don't want to call a service. I don't want to pay a per-mile fee. I just want to go. And, if I'm driving a Tesla... I want it to do the driving, and be really good at it.
That's just me.
Thank you for your test drive. I like what some of the other reviewers are saying: This is the worst that FSD will be from now on. It's only going to get better from here. With 12.3, I've actually been able to watch entire test drive videos uninterrupted. On previous version, I had to stop the videos because they were just making me too nervous!
My wife and I are using the 30 day free trial offer on her Model Y and we both love it, except for the price. I have a 2019 Model 3 for around town use and it came with Enhanced auto pilot which reduces the price of FSD to $6000, but I’m not going to buy it for just running errands. We’re retired on fixed income, so $12g is out of the question. We’ve been driving Teslas for about four years so the transition to FSD was an easy one. ❤
Thanks for sharing. I'm an advocate for transferable FSD. As a matter of fact i feels it should rather.be linked to the owners account and not the vehicle. If fsd is on your account and you fly to another city, rent a Tesla, log in with your account and have Full self driving available.
Love how you said it signals for merges, then two minutes later it merged with nary one blink of the blinker. lol My Model Y does that all the time.
I agree
I'm trying the month demo and constantly having to disable it is more work than just driving in my opinion
Great show! I use my FSD 12.3 every day and even make up trips so I can use it more! Have fun!
I agree. The take rake would be higher if they gave previous owners a credit from a previous car purchased. Also should lower the price to $125/mo and 3k total. When it is perfected then can raise price to 10k.
I’m in the same situation with the FSD in the wrong car. I always hated the policy of having the expensive FSD upgrade staying with the car upon sale of it. I was an early adopter with the program with my 2018 Model 3 and I decided to keep my car after the warranty period expired. But as soon as Tesla allowed the FSD to be transferred last summer I took advantage of it and traded my 18 for a new 23 Model Y. I also own a 22 Model S Plaid that I decided not to buy FSD for the additional $15,000, at the time, with the Plaid. Now with the version 12 improvements I’m on the fence about getting it for the S. If they changed their policy about transferring it permanently, I might do it, but until then I’m just going to rent it when planning long road trips.
I did a few hour road trip and on the highway with 12.3.3 it was in the left lane on a divided highway -- at least twice, maybe three times it moved into a left turn lane at 75 mph.
We've had the beta on our y for 2 years, I use it 98% of the time and my wife uses it about 50%. If you allow yourself to really trust it, it really is phenomenal. I trust it more than when myself or my wife driving
Love your videos. I've been a Tesla driver since 2013. Sadly, I'm still waiting to get FSD in my 2016 Model S. Paid for it. Flipped the switch to get into the beta queue. Still haven't seen it. I love the car, but it's frustrating that us early adopters get no love.
I’ve been using FSD daily and do like it a lot. Have been seeing a lot of the same things you experienced and described. It accelerates way too quickly, to the point where I feel I will run through tires faster… It seems very hesitant at 4-way stops and always stops way too early at intersections, so then needs to creep out to actually see traffic. It also doesn’t seem to know what to do once my destinations are reached, just slowly creeps ahead for some reason. Finally, I have been finding that it will follow slow cars on the highway instead of passing them. I constantly need to coax it to pass. On the bright side, it does drive much better than an earlier versions I had tried, and reacts naturally while driving, following the flow of traffic. It even slowed down for road bumps! I do wish it also saw and avoided potholes… Overall, it is a great feature, but way overpriced. I would absolutely purchase it at 10% of its current price.
Yes, I've been using it everyday for 2.5 years now 👍
I use it everyday, and I think it drives cautiously like a new driver with better skills but still bad or indecisive decisions.
I use it everyday, massive improvement!! It’s worth the money now! Go on road trips instead of flying!
Fsd 12 vast improvements. Concerning whether it will stop for gates, in my experience I was going through a toll gate and I had to disengage fsd as the car would have ran through the gate. It appears it still does not see the bar.
Although people may not be “using” it actively. It is actually always running in the background and pretending to drive while you are and besides just recording everything for training the AI it will mark, notate and send in every instance that you do something that was different than what the car was thinking it should have done.
So you’re saying when we are driving manually that it’s still learning from our drives? I don’t think that’s true.
Noticed you had your speed setting on offset. There's a new setting Auto Max speed. In this setting FSD determines the speed, you can't adjust using scroll wheel. Hiwever you can press the accelerator without disengaging. It might have gone slower exiting the dirt driveway because speed offset seems to have many roads at 25 mph. Thanks for the video and I think it's worth it because I plan on using it for family and friends robotaxi. My mom is in her 80s as well as many of her friends. My wife also have neuropathy in her feet, so a couple more updates and I think she will be independent once again. Once I get the cybertruck I want to put this in the robotaxi fleet so to me it's a good investment.
I am a TSLA investor for quite a few years. I feel that Tesla owe it to loyal customers like you to allow a one time transfer to your X.
With respect to the yellow lights, in _my_ state, the official law is essentially "yellow means 'stop' if you can stop safely"; it's not "yellow means 'go' if you think you'll be able to enter the intersection before it turns red."
20:03 note that the software stack for the highway is still V11, only city streets is the new end to end neural network V12 version.
One thing i can't stand since the release of beta is that it drives extremely slow in the tunnels here in NYC and it tries to change lanes even though there's cones/ barriers between the lanes.
Reno Uber driver here! 2022 MX w/ 83,000+ miles. Use FSD ~70% of all trips. Been a beta tester since… Oct. 2021
Get it. It is very safe when supervised.
You're paying for safety and a great feature that will be well worth it when it is complete.
I can't wait until it's gone!!!
Driving to dinner approached left turn on green, car length from enter section light turned yellow steering wheel started shaking. I took over and accelerated through. On the way home from dinner same thing going straight through light when car length from enter section car slowed down really fast, enough to push is forward into our seat belts another yellow light. I thought I wasn't seeing something so I hit the brakes. Glad no one was behind us. Still not ready.
2023 Model Y
Where I live there are a lot of potholes. Been waiting almost 5 years now for FSD to start avoiding potholes. Elon did say it would eventually be able to do so. Hopefully it will sometime this year.