Another reason I feel that his betrayal is weaker is Shepard is barely seen in MWII, while Shepard in mw2 pops up a fair bit and personally does the betrayal himself. It also feels very forced like they had to do it due to name alone
The cool thing is that Shepard is always in the background in MW2 but you barely notice him on first playthrough, only after the fact you notice strange things on his part and how he was involved.
Shepherd went from a disillusioned patriot seeking to destroy Makarov by any means necessary to a cowardly old baldhead that lets his band of mercs deal the dirty work for him. One of the greatest twist villains of all time reduced to a desk jockey.
i think it would have been interesting if Shepard and shadow company where set up to make players think they where going to be betrayed by them only for it not to happen and for them to remain allies, would be a interesting way to subvert players expectations especially for anyone that played the original mw2 and expected this twist to come.
@The Omega Initiative Sorry if you're not in the mood to answer this, but 4 fall out mash up who would win the brotherhood steel Versus skynet and the terminators Round 1: Capital wasteland chapter knows skynet is coming. Skynet does not. What would they do (Optional): Make a true with the enclave and gather outcasts Round 2: Commonwealth chapter does not know skynet is coming, nor does skynet know. what they would they do. (Optional) team with the minutemen and Mojave chapter of bos.
@CreatorsFreedom!!! I can mean it I'm sorry if this is not relevant to the conversation. This has got stuck on my mind, and I needed an answer And every time I look it up I don't really get my answer So I only asked him I get initiated just because He could probably come up with a better answer then I would probably
"Five years ago, I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye. And the world just f... watched. Tomorrow, there would be no shortage of volunteers and no shortage of patriots. I know you understand." The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The biggest reason MW2 works over MWII is one solid reason. Build up. Time and time again, Shepard kept talking about how he wanted to win, get his name known in History, and get payback for nothing happening to the men he lost. MWIIs doesn't work because Shepard and the Graves with his company offer you not only a peaceful way out but actually wouldn't have killed you until YOU, the Player decides to raise your gun and ignore them. MW2s Shepard will do anything it takes to win. MWIIs Shepard just let's you live, but you say no
the story has "the main cast can absolutely never be wrong and must always be the good guys in every scenario" syndrome. the writers do not want you to sympathize with graves, shadow company, and shepard, so they have them suddenly turn comically evil despite helping you throughout the entire game just so they can justify their "LOOK WE DID WHAT THE OLD MODERN WARFARE DID TOO" but somehow worse, without any of the context, and leaves you wondering what the hell just happened. these "writers" are jokes, and it shows with their work.
It's hard to appreciate the good of the new reboot and Sheppard's betrayal thanks to how you expect it. You're not tired after Loose Ends, you're sitting in a Jeep that's stopped at a gate with that thought lingering in your head. No context, no impact, no surprise. That's basically this whole betrayal thing in a nutshell.
Subconsciously we were expecting to see General Shepard to betray us especially after playing the original and remastered MWII, as General Shepard could be argue to be Activisions Greatest Villain because we could see his flawed view of the world after that Nuclear Bomb kill THIRTY THOUSAND of his own men under his command, an event like that would have fundamentally broken even the most stoic of military commanders spirit.
A fun detail in MW2 that's super easy to miss(to the point they boosted the audio volume and added subtitles in the remaster) is that right before betraying the duo you can here Shadow Company on the radio warning them about Archer and Toad in the hills, and neutralizing them shortly after.
I remember playing 2009 mw2 when I was 12 and when shepherd betrayed us I was very shocked as a kid and it has affected me over the years then price saying “you gotta trust someone to be betrayed, I never did” that has been in my mind ever since now I barely trust anyone…
I like how you think Shepherd is your typical General stereotype kinda similar to Hudson in black ops 1 (if you played that before modern warfare 2) where the main characters don't like him but later maybe they end up growing a close bond when they go to kill Makarov but no, it's a complete surprise as it tricks you so well as most of Shepherd's dialogue before his betrayal can be seen as just his thoughts in the moment or just set up for the next mission. But after his betrayal, you can hear all his reasoning for what he's done and why he's betrayed his country
Basically, dude was a chad back then. Especially in mission 2 in the original where he's boots on the ground with his men rather than behind a desk in the US.
Bruh they didn't even have the balls to keep Philip Graves dead. In one of seasons it's revealed that he's still alive. And the tank that he "died" in was controlled remotely. They don't have the balls kill of main characters in a WAR game mind you.
"Its a blast!" 9 year old me on vereran:this is not a blast I just watched half my team die by a 50+ gillie suit ambush and ozone just got his head ventilated with a shotgun . we're only 30 seconds in
One big reason Shepherd looks nothing like his original design is because modern games, for some reason, really want characters' faces to look just like their voice actors. It's also why Isaac Clark in the Dead Space remake looks nothing like the original one.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. It’s an unnecessary detour that kills momentum. Though I will admit that the dialogue in “Alone” balances it out for me. Side note: MPs actually pretty good, alongside DMZ and WZ 2.0. A lot more like R6S or Tarkov than previous titles, but good.
While I like the banter between Ghost and Soap, it’s inappropriate for the situation. They’re joking around while their allies are gunning down everyone in an attempt to find and kill them. It destroys any attempt at levity. In the original, Soap and Price didn’t joke around during Enemy of my Enemy. They were in a desperate situation and pushed to the point they needed Makarov’s help unless they all dies by Shepherd’s hand.
I still remember the moment of Shepard's betrayal in the original MW2, it completely took me by surprise not to mention devastation. The new Shepherd from MWII, not so much. In fact, the rebooted COD MW isn't even that good anyway.
can i just say, if mw2 ended with the missile going off in that city or hell it even being a nuke, there would have been such a good story opportunity for mw3, possibly even a 4th one, maybe with Makarov and Shepard even meeting, or playing as one or the other, also they definitely did not kill ghost cause he was so popular, and well popularity = money opportunity
This game really just showcases that COD gave up on that "cog in the machine" middle of a war feel that the US army campaigns of the original trilogy managed to nail. Its focused more on the super badass small teams, even in mw3 we see TF141 having large scale battles, rather than just 4 generic protagonists taking down a whole base or smthn.
For one, the new Sheppard doesn't LOOK like a villain. He looks like a generic US Army General. And I get that's the look they were going for, but he just wasn't intimidating because of it. Two, the cutscene of the betrayal isn't impactful. In the og MW2, the game makes you put your guard down around Sheppard up until the very last line of dialogue, "That's one less loose end". In the new MW2, literally all that happens is that Sheppard says "No lol" and his name goes from green to red. That's it. That's how you know he's the bad guy, because his name goes from green to red. What a joke.
"Do not finish it on Veteran" Take it from me, I did the game in Veteran and Realism right after I bought it. It's not worth the dopamine from the achievement. It IS worth playing on some missions, like the first mission and ghillie mission, which I think are pretty good.
Honestly I can make a better story with the same element and horrific reality of war even without that betrayal. Here is how I'd do it - first and for most Hassan gwtting captured would have been changed, Soap, Ghost and Alendaro would have linked up with Graves and Shadow Compony after running away from the Cartel and curropt military... Graves then send his men back to America while him, Alejndro, Ghost and Soap decided to reach Hassan and capture him un a different way then what they were used to using Gorrila tactics, killing off Cartel in a atealthy approach to capture Hassan, they didn't capture him but manage to capture the cartel boss lady, Ghost, Soap and Aljenadro ride ride back to the U.S border while Graves and some of Shadow Compony kill off the rest of the Cartel and cover their escape (Alenjdro figured it is better to let TF141 interogate her then keeping her prisoner in a country where she can control the government, politicans and the military) On their ride back to the U.S in the middle of the night they get a radio transmition from Hassan whom mocks both TF141 and the Cartel boss lady, Soap notices a sniper aiming at them, he calls out "sniper, heads down!" TF141 and Alejandro keep their head down while the Cartel boss lady killed off by it They were suprised by Hassan's actions but he says that he does not need weak allies They then hear another sniper shot blowing one of the tires, and crashing their ride, saperating them and injuring Soap (mission Alone style with Hassan men searching for him) While Soap tries to link up with both of them, Alejandro tries to call for backup via the ride's radio and Ghost hunts down the sniper. Once they link up they get aurrounded however they hear a voice from the Radio "FIND COVER!" as they run away an AC130 appears and shooting off the terrorists.... Helping them to get back to the U.S Other then that some of the mission remain the same (though Laswell dies right before Gas and Price manage to save her) Instead of the Graves' Betrayal it would have been changed completely; instead Hassan managed to hit America with his balistic missiles, right afterwards Hassan broadcasts the damage and reveals that it was Shephered and Shadow compony who "gave" him the missiles That starts to rile up many Americans leading to many citzens wanting to revult against the government with Russian Ultranationlists begin to attack and causing more terror and chaos and an armed revolution begins Shephered and Shadow Comppmy were hunted down by American Forces but they have escaped to the countries Shephered have supported. TF141 started to search for clues for Shephered and Shadow Compony whereabout demanding answers for what Hassan was refering to (and on the way fight with Hassan's men) The Mexican speical forces fights off the Cartel, and an American froms a new unit which is an elite unit of SWAT, CIA and Homeland secuirty members and they try to maintain peace by hubting sown extreme revolutionists and Ultranationliats (there are 2 revolutionists organisation for the 2 radical political ideologies both commit awful authericites and very autheritarian in their ideologies which the Ultranationlists secret agents gives their aupport in order to cause chaos while the Ultranationlists attack America and it's allies) Anyway TF141 finally finds and confront Shephered about what happened he explains that he is willing to do anything to fight for his country, and he and Graves explained everything when getting interogatted by TF141, Homeland security and Mexican Speical Forces in a british base, Hassa and his men attack the base and Hassan aims his missile at the base willing to kill off his own men to kill all of them, all the forces fight off Hassan men, while Soap tries to defuse the missile and Ghost killed Hassan with a single headshot, as things calmed down there was anothwr attack by Makarov and the Ultranationliatsin and in a moment of redmeption Shephered and Graves sacrfice their lives to cover for TF141, The Mexican Speical Forces, Homeland security and Shadow compony (who get disbanded but recruited by the other units whom all form a co-allition against the ultranationlists The last mission in MW2 shows General Shephered POV as a captain in the front line, his entire platoon were massacured because his supriors faced the same legal issues he faced and as a result they did not get any support for their escape, Only he survived that battle. The way it is presnted may seemed too hollywoodish however the way I imagine it is a bit darker and realistic kind of like Ready or Not type of way while jeeping some over the top actions MW2 (2009) was known for
General Shepherd was my favorite Antagonist in Call of Duty; He was charismatic, dangerous and had understandable/sympathetic goals. Unlike Raul Menendez who wanted to burn the world to the ground for a murderous Communist Ideology that's killed tens of millions and in the name of his sister who was mamed and died because of his own decisions and actions, for the sake of one life he would destroy the world. I Hated Menendez more than any other CoD character for those reasons; so much for the writers attempting to make a "Relatable villain"... Shepherd did what he did because he cared for his country, wanted revenge for the 30,000 men lost from the Nuke, To show the World "That stood back and *Fucking WATCHED!* " that America is strong and No shortage of New Patriots and Volunteers. His methods were all out of proportions in the extreme but I understand the method to the madness so to speak. Was there some ego mixed in as well; perhaps but So was Menendez in "Martyr Me for Cordis Dia" and especially Makarov's "Will of a Single Man" speech making the General look reasonable by comparison. I do wonder what General Shepherd would think of the disgraceful fall of Afghanistan and then the Abysmal failures of Russia in Ukraine.
In COD? That's not going to happen especially with how fans treat the games with all new characters and none of the old. IW is a great example with its shoddy story and writing.
This videos great. It could use an update for mw3s fumble of him but one thing I want to point out is the challenge that comes with writing shepherd. The hardest part about rebooting shepherd, is that no matter what they write, you are going to expect betrayal from him based on mw2. I can easily see writers being told by a higher up that they NEED shepherd, and scrambling to find out how to fit him, with the pretense that players will already distrust him. And then, with that in mind, they write a massive fumble. Shepherds betrayal carries no emotional weight in mw2, it’s a generational fuck up. Not to mention how mwIII throws him away in a POST CREDIT CUTSCENE!!!
I'm here one year later. Soap is now the only "hero" to die in MW2023. And he dies suddenly at the end of the game like it was some Warzone finisher. I just HATE how this reboot series ruined the series. It's so boring now, I can pretty much call it James Bond with some mil-sim filter and no WW3. Or the Modern Warfare Cinematic Universe, MWCU because they keep all the heroes alive like they're the Avengers and they say some shitty one liners or lines that are supposed to make us remember it like redditors referencing comic book movie lines. I'm so glad my PS3 still works so I can be able to play the REAL Modern Warfare trilogy and the REAL MW3. April 23, 2024
So glad I didn't fall for the nostalgia bait that was the reboots. I knew nothing they would be "willing" to do today would ever come close to the originals.
I second this, this would be a somewhat interesting video essay topic to cover. See what happens if TF141 figures out Shepard's intention to tie up loose ends before he stabs them in the back (or rather, shoots them in the gut). What would be the outcome? Would Soap shoot Gl. Shepard on sight? Would shadow company play a bigger role as an independently acting force after they lose their main contract guarantor? Would the Enclave beat the brotherhood into submission like what should have happened from the start? Stay tuned for next week's Dragon Ball Z!
Alex better come back in the next game or his fake out death would be all for nothing. And why is he even in combat he's missing a leg. If that prosthetic gets shot or just comes loose he's fucked
If they're not going to follow the plot of the original game or use the original cast why are they using the same characters? Just change their names and blamo it's a new story you can do anything you like. It's like forcing Darth Vader and Han Solo into a 90's buddy cop movie, out of character with different actors
i think its also rather odd that while also reusing the MW characters they make the plot between games feel disjointed and unconnected where as even though mw1 felt like it was never initially planned to have a squeal at least based on how it wrapped everything up and never baited like the end of mw2 there would be a mw3, mw2 still felt properly connected while the current reboot feels disjointed as it dose not really carry on with mw 2019's plot for the most part
I mean story wise this betrayal was to cover a botched op. Shadow Company may be dead but maybe Shepherd could come back in the 3rd game to redeem himself after say you reach a low point in the game such as Makarov damn near beats 141 and 141 is out of resources
I am happy though that ghost doesn't die, because Ghost is my favorite character in all of cod history....buuut, that's the only thing I enjoyed about this game, everything else was trash
Here's a video idea for my channel and would like to here what you think of it.Basically it's a what if Elkhart died before he cut the communication lines. What do you think?
Not related to the topic but I'm going to release a video about the Appalachian enclave and their future going forward. You inspired me to make the video
honestly 2022 Gen. Shepherd is by far more realistic until he hires PMCs for military operations which the US government would never allow, and yes I do realize the US government hired PMCs for the initial response after Hurricane Katrina.
I got a question there should be remnants of the us military in fallout like Canada Anchorage and Hawaii because here my theory the country was falling apart so what left of the Pentagon stuff and generals ordered what left of the military in bases Checkpoints to take what they can and get to the navy for evacuate to Canada Anchorage and Hawaii or Walk or drive there and there’s some proof of it in fallout 4 there’s a tank on the beach so that might be were was the evacuation at one point and some of the military Convoys are on the road but the road in some way to damage to drive on and the Checkpoints are Abandoned and the bases that is why there’s less military bodies of the Skeletons and the Equipment and vehicles they can’t take with them because not much time or damage in what left of the Air Force bases used ac130 to take what Equipment vehicles and men to pulled out as they county fall apart behind them in fallout 76 Maybe in the same way as fallout 3 probably not because what left of them head towards the enclave bunker in West Virginia and fallout New Vegas probably the same what left of them pulled out and head towards Canada Anchorage and Hawaii and the other fallout games hard to say they were on the coast so they pulled out with what left of the navy so that a good idea of what happened to them to start a new life and for a future video and a what if as well what do not a bad idea and a theory and for a video?
a bit late but i think the writers of the new modern warfare are trying write their own new story (obviously) i think the're going for a longer story. originish story of shadow company and some of the characters (and new ones) starting out with a soft campaign before going to all out war like in the original mw2. but yeah shepards betrayel sucks in the new mw2 but i like that makarov has turned his own nationalist forces into a pmc (komi) sorta fits the modern vibe (blackwater and wagner) all in all the writers are games of thrones writing where everything is gonna be laid out (longer)
IMO, they didn’t want to focus on Shepherd’s betrayal. We all knew it www coming so it wouldn’t of been satisfying. I think the focus was rather in the characters themselves and the gameplay of the campaign. Witch I think www the better route to go down. With MW3 we can hopefully we can see some more focus on the actual story, as rewriting Makarov is much easier than rewriting an already expected betrayal. In that sense I was happy w/ MW2 and it’s stories, as I liked every character as an individual, and I felt personally closer to them. Now, I hope they can just really nail down the story in MW3
@@TheOmegaInitiative That’s your opinion, but at the end of the day there’s always going to be someone who didn’t enjoy a piece of media or specific part. How the varied gameplay (which to be fair was quite annoying at times like w/ that car jumping mission) was handled in combination w/ the extra focus on the characters was the reason why the reviews for the campaign were/good (Good, not necessarily great or amazing but solid/enjoyable) So I think my point generally still stands, even if you personally don’t agree.
Even then mw2 still makes zero sense. They should never have gone down the world war 3 route, and I'm glad this new trilogy isn't doing that shit either.
That's okay. Because the betrayal in the original was nonsensical and ridiculous as well. I'm kinda disappointed that they recycled so much of the original MW2 into the 2022 reboot. Because the MW1 reboot was... amazingly well done. Well structured. And the weakest point of the original MW2 was its story. It was just a myriad of Michael Bay moments that were somehow supposed to make sense even though they didn't. No one saw hundreds of planes and ships heading towards America and Europe in an obvious invasion? The game attempts to explain this (...badly...) away by the opening mission with the satellite... thing... something-something all our satellites are blind. Okay. Doesn't work that way, but okay. No one in and around Russia thought it... I dunno... Odd... that an invasion fleet that took weeks/months just started heading towards America and Europe, though? No one saw tons of Russian military aircraft heading into Europe and decided to pick up a phone? Price decides the best idea to deal with the invasion is to hijack a Russian submarine, launch *_a nuke at America_* and use it as an EMP (which also somehow destroys the ISS... because the writers thought there were blast waves. In space.) because... that would somehow help the American war effort? ...They really thought revisiting this story was a good idea after they went independent with the MW1 reboot? Who made this decision?
I don’t mind call of duty because i play call of duty ghosts and question can you do what happened to the us military in call of duty ghosts and what if Australian and New Zealand did not get nuke because of the Defence system and what if there’s still remnants of Canada military and government as the resistances in underground bunkers and forests before and after the bombs????
The problem with modern CoD’s is who makes it and the political implications especially considering the ongoing geopolitical situation (war) in 2022 despite the build up to WW3 with dictatorial Russia and not-Syria in the last game even though no one else in entertainment cares about those vague boundaries. Chinese gacha devs, modern writing, same old corporate corruption. Raven has been holding up MW2 ‘22 against this. At least Ghost, Gaz and Soap are still alive. I was actually hopeful especially considering the premise of the reboots seemed like it was a NATO patriotic victory over foreign regimes through wrong-righting (alluding to real mistakes made).
The new betrayal is not the MW2 betrayal for a reason lol. Were so Used to the old games betrayal that we instatly think " oh sheperd is here welp ghost is gonna die thats fun". Tbh Graves' betrayal wasnt even a betrayal tbh. The thing I like about the new games is that they arent doing a soft reboot like changing some things but leaving the majority in, they are changing everything but Keeping the characters the same. In the Third game i think theyll flip the table, Sheperd is gonna go on missions to help you n stuff but will get killed by Graves or Zakayev or Makarov. If they dont think of something bigger than the betrayal with Sheperd in MW2, then they are really bad writers and should be fired
I want Roach back
Amazing how they managed to make us feel sad for a silent faceless player avatar we knew nothing about
I want ghost back
Same here. I sorely missed him in this game.
He's such a deep character
I want Ramirez back he basically recaptured Burger Town by himself
Another reason why betrayal in the original worked is because it happened after a very hard fought mission, the fatigue of it added to the effect
Another reason it worked in the original is because major characters actually died.
Another reason I feel that his betrayal is weaker is Shepard is barely seen in MWII, while Shepard in mw2 pops up a fair bit and personally does the betrayal himself. It also feels very forced like they had to do it due to name alone
The cool thing is that Shepard is always in the background in MW2 but you barely notice him on first playthrough, only after the fact you notice strange things on his part and how he was involved.
He's also mentioned in CoD4 which gave it a bit more contextual depth
Shepherd went from a disillusioned patriot seeking to destroy Makarov by any means necessary to a cowardly old baldhead that lets his band of mercs deal the dirty work for him.
One of the greatest twist villains of all time reduced to a desk jockey.
i think it would have been interesting if Shepard and shadow company where set up to make players think they where going to be betrayed by them only for it not to happen and for them to remain allies, would be a interesting way to subvert players expectations especially for anyone that played the original mw2 and expected this twist to come.
That's what I was hoping would happen
@The Omega Initiative Sorry if you're not in the mood to answer this, but 4 fall out mash up who would win the brotherhood steel Versus skynet and the terminators
Round 1: Capital wasteland chapter knows skynet is coming. Skynet does not. What would they do
(Optional): Make a true with the enclave and gather outcasts
Round 2: Commonwealth chapter does not know skynet is coming, nor does skynet know. what they would they do.
(Optional) team with the minutemen and Mojave chapter of bos.
By the way sorry this is not relevant to the conversation
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@CreatorsFreedom!!! I can mean it I'm sorry if this is not relevant to the conversation. This has got stuck on my mind, and I needed an answer And every time I look it up I don't really get my answer So I only asked him I get initiated just because He could probably come up with a better answer then I would probably
"Five years ago, I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye. And the world just f... watched.
Tomorrow, there would be no shortage of volunteers and no shortage of patriots. I know you understand."
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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The biggest reason MW2 works over MWII is one solid reason. Build up.
Time and time again, Shepard kept talking about how he wanted to win, get his name known in History, and get payback for nothing happening to the men he lost.
MWIIs doesn't work because Shepard and the Graves with his company offer you not only a peaceful way out but actually wouldn't have killed you until YOU, the Player decides to raise your gun and ignore them.
MW2s Shepard will do anything it takes to win.
MWIIs Shepard just let's you live, but you say no
the story has "the main cast can absolutely never be wrong and must always be the good guys in every scenario" syndrome. the writers do not want you to sympathize with graves, shadow company, and shepard, so they have them suddenly turn comically evil despite helping you throughout the entire game just so they can justify their "LOOK WE DID WHAT THE OLD MODERN WARFARE DID TOO" but somehow worse, without any of the context, and leaves you wondering what the hell just happened.
these "writers" are jokes, and it shows with their work.
You hear the general from transformers, I hear the operations officer from Black Hawk Down, we are not the same.
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Same here I saw him and heard his voice when I played the game.
And I see a secret service agent from 24.
@@TheOmegaInitiativewhy is this the only thing omega always responds to comments with
I hear overlord from MW2 2009
really like how literally no one dies, not even graves, literally no one
It's hard to appreciate the good of the new reboot and Sheppard's betrayal thanks to how you expect it. You're not tired after Loose Ends, you're sitting in a Jeep that's stopped at a gate with that thought lingering in your head.
No context, no impact, no surprise. That's basically this whole betrayal thing in a nutshell.
It felt so forced and cliche, COD is being developed by people who casually or out right never played the game way back in the day.
Subconsciously we were expecting to see General Shepard to betray us especially after playing the original and remastered MWII, as General Shepard could be argue to be Activisions Greatest Villain because we could see his flawed view of the world after that Nuclear Bomb kill THIRTY THOUSAND of his own men under his command, an event like that would have fundamentally broken even the most stoic of military commanders spirit.
A fun detail in MW2 that's super easy to miss(to the point they boosted the audio volume and added subtitles in the remaster) is that right before betraying the duo you can here Shadow Company on the radio warning them about Archer and Toad in the hills, and neutralizing them shortly after.
I remember playing 2009 mw2 when I was 12 and when shepherd betrayed us I was very shocked as a kid and it has affected me over the years then price saying “you gotta trust someone to be betrayed, I never did” that has been in my mind ever since now I barely trust anyone…
I like how you think Shepherd is your typical General stereotype kinda similar to Hudson in black ops 1 (if you played that before modern warfare 2) where the main characters don't like him but later maybe they end up growing a close bond when they go to kill Makarov but no, it's a complete surprise as it tricks you so well as most of Shepherd's dialogue before his betrayal can be seen as just his thoughts in the moment or just set up for the next mission. But after his betrayal, you can hear all his reasoning for what he's done and why he's betrayed his country
2009 Shepherd was so much better than 2022 Shepherd in pretty much everyway
I’m still not sure how he almost managed to take down a young SAS operative and an experienced SAS veteran singlehandedly.
@@FlymanMS He's just that much of a chad (and the SAS guys fell off a cliff on a zodiac, its surprising they survived in the first place)
Basically, dude was a chad back then. Especially in mission 2 in the original where he's boots on the ground with his men rather than behind a desk in the US.
@@inductivegrunt94 He literally walks out into a battlefield with a .44 magnum by his side, for all his faults he truly didn't fear anything.
plus 2022 shepard had a sick stache
Bruh they didn't even have the balls to keep Philip Graves dead. In one of seasons it's revealed that he's still alive. And the tank that he "died" in was controlled remotely.
They don't have the balls kill of main characters in a WAR game mind you.
"Its a blast!"
9 year old me on vereran:this is not a blast I just watched half my team die by a 50+ gillie suit ambush and ozone just got his head ventilated with a shotgun . we're only 30 seconds in
One big reason Shepherd looks nothing like his original design is because modern games, for some reason, really want characters' faces to look just like their voice actors. It's also why Isaac Clark in the Dead Space remake looks nothing like the original one.
Honestly in the new games i had a hard time seeing Shepherd as a villain.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. It’s an unnecessary detour that kills momentum. Though I will admit that the dialogue in “Alone” balances it out for me.
Side note: MPs actually pretty good, alongside DMZ and WZ 2.0. A lot more like R6S or Tarkov than previous titles, but good.
While I like the banter between Ghost and Soap, it’s inappropriate for the situation. They’re joking around while their allies are gunning down everyone in an attempt to find and kill them. It destroys any attempt at levity. In the original, Soap and Price didn’t joke around during Enemy of my Enemy. They were in a desperate situation and pushed to the point they needed Makarov’s help unless they all dies by Shepherd’s hand.
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I guess. I always took that as gallows humor, but I can see how that comes off as tonal whiplash.
I still remember the moment of Shepard's betrayal in the original MW2, it completely took me by surprise not to mention devastation. The new Shepherd from MWII, not so much. In fact, the rebooted COD MW isn't even that good anyway.
I sincerely hope that Graves isn't dead
no main character dies in the reboot because they need to sell them as playable characters in warzone
I think the knowledge that shepherd betrayed you already ruins it and that shepherd lost his hair
can i just say, if mw2 ended with the missile going off in that city or hell it even being a nuke, there would have been such a good story opportunity for mw3, possibly even a 4th one, maybe with Makarov and Shepard even meeting, or playing as one or the other, also they definitely did not kill ghost cause he was so popular, and well popularity = money opportunity
This game really just showcases that COD gave up on that "cog in the machine" middle of a war feel that the US army campaigns of the original trilogy managed to nail. Its focused more on the super badass small teams, even in mw3 we see TF141 having large scale battles, rather than just 4 generic protagonists taking down a whole base or smthn.
For one, the new Sheppard doesn't LOOK like a villain. He looks like a generic US Army General. And I get that's the look they were going for, but he just wasn't intimidating because of it.
Two, the cutscene of the betrayal isn't impactful. In the og MW2, the game makes you put your guard down around Sheppard up until the very last line of dialogue, "That's one less loose end". In the new MW2, literally all that happens is that Sheppard says "No lol" and his name goes from green to red. That's it. That's how you know he's the bad guy, because his name goes from green to red. What a joke.
"Do not finish it on Veteran"
Take it from me, I did the game in Veteran and Realism right after I bought it. It's not worth the dopamine from the achievement.
It IS worth playing on some missions, like the first mission and ghillie mission, which I think are pretty good.
Also, what if graves tried to kill in like… Shepards office and Shepard kills graves then in the next game betrays you
My favorite part of cod mw2 2023 was when john shadow companied all over those mexicans, truly one of the games.
Honestly I can make a better story with the same element and horrific reality of war even without that betrayal.
Here is how I'd do it - first and for most Hassan gwtting captured would have been changed, Soap, Ghost and Alendaro would have linked up with Graves and Shadow Compony after running away from the Cartel and curropt military...
Graves then send his men back to America while him, Alejndro, Ghost and Soap decided to reach Hassan and capture him un a different way then what they were used to using Gorrila tactics, killing off Cartel in a atealthy approach to capture Hassan, they didn't capture him but manage to capture the cartel boss lady, Ghost, Soap and Aljenadro ride ride back to the U.S border while Graves and some of Shadow Compony kill off the rest of the Cartel and cover their escape (Alenjdro figured it is better to let TF141 interogate her then keeping her prisoner in a country where she can control the government, politicans and the military)
On their ride back to the U.S in the middle of the night they get a radio transmition from Hassan whom mocks both TF141 and the Cartel boss lady, Soap notices a sniper aiming at them, he calls out "sniper, heads down!" TF141 and Alejandro keep their head down while the Cartel boss lady killed off by it
They were suprised by Hassan's actions but he says that he does not need weak allies
They then hear another sniper shot blowing one of the tires, and crashing their ride, saperating them and injuring Soap (mission Alone style with Hassan men searching for him)
While Soap tries to link up with both of them, Alejandro tries to call for backup via the ride's radio and Ghost hunts down the sniper.
Once they link up they get aurrounded however they hear a voice from the Radio "FIND COVER!" as they run away an AC130 appears and shooting off the terrorists....
Helping them to get back to the U.S
Other then that some of the mission remain the same (though Laswell dies right before Gas and Price manage to save her)
Instead of the Graves' Betrayal it would have been changed completely; instead Hassan managed to hit America with his balistic missiles, right afterwards Hassan broadcasts the damage and reveals that it was Shephered and Shadow compony who "gave" him the missiles
That starts to rile up many Americans leading to many citzens wanting to revult against the government with Russian Ultranationlists begin to attack and causing more terror and chaos and an armed revolution begins
Shephered and Shadow Comppmy were hunted down by American Forces but they have escaped to the countries Shephered have supported.
TF141 started to search for clues for Shephered and Shadow Compony whereabout demanding answers for what Hassan was refering to (and on the way fight with Hassan's men) The Mexican speical forces fights off the Cartel, and an American froms a new unit which is an elite unit of SWAT, CIA and Homeland secuirty members and they try to maintain peace by hubting sown extreme revolutionists and Ultranationliats (there are 2 revolutionists organisation for the 2 radical political ideologies both commit awful authericites and very autheritarian in their ideologies which the Ultranationlists secret agents gives their aupport in order to cause chaos while the Ultranationlists attack America and it's allies)
Anyway TF141 finally finds and confront Shephered about what happened he explains that he is willing to do anything to fight for his country, and he and Graves explained everything when getting interogatted by TF141, Homeland security and Mexican Speical Forces in a british base, Hassa and his men attack the base and Hassan aims his missile at the base willing to kill off his own men to kill all of them, all the forces fight off Hassan men, while Soap tries to defuse the missile and Ghost killed Hassan with a single headshot, as things calmed down there was anothwr attack by Makarov and the Ultranationliatsin and in a moment of redmeption Shephered and Graves sacrfice their lives to cover for TF141, The Mexican Speical Forces, Homeland security and Shadow compony (who get disbanded but recruited by the other units whom all form a co-allition against the ultranationlists
The last mission in MW2 shows General Shephered POV as a captain in the front line, his entire platoon were massacured because his supriors faced the same legal issues he faced and as a result they did not get any support for their escape, Only he survived that battle.
The way it is presnted may seemed too hollywoodish however the way I imagine it is a bit darker and realistic kind of like Ready or Not type of way while jeeping some over the top actions MW2 (2009) was known for
I wish they didn't make Graves a villain he was pretty cool
shadow co got done dirty this MWII, also does anybody remember when they promised multiple endings to MWII?
The betrayal in this version didnt worked is because we already know who Sheperd is, we know he's gonna betray us (how he did it is bad tho)
General Shepherd was my favorite Antagonist in Call of Duty; He was charismatic, dangerous and had understandable/sympathetic goals. Unlike Raul Menendez who wanted to burn the world to the ground for a murderous Communist Ideology that's killed tens of millions and in the name of his sister who was mamed and died because of his own decisions and actions, for the sake of one life he would destroy the world.
I Hated Menendez more than any other CoD character for those reasons; so much for the writers attempting to make a "Relatable villain"...
Shepherd did what he did because he cared for his country, wanted revenge for the 30,000 men lost from the Nuke, To show the World "That stood back and *Fucking WATCHED!* " that America is strong and No shortage of New Patriots and Volunteers. His methods were all out of proportions in the extreme but I understand the method to the madness so to speak. Was there some ego mixed in as well; perhaps but So was Menendez in "Martyr Me for Cordis Dia" and especially Makarov's "Will of a Single Man" speech making the General look reasonable by comparison.
I do wonder what General Shepherd would think of the disgraceful fall of Afghanistan and then the Abysmal failures of Russia in Ukraine.
They should stop rehashing their old characters and come up with something original.
It's is call of duty they ran out of original ideas and good writing years ago.
In COD? That's not going to happen especially with how fans treat the games with all new characters and none of the old. IW is a great example with its shoddy story and writing.
They don’t make them like they used to
Agreed, the new "betrayal" is really boring
This videos great. It could use an update for mw3s fumble of him but one thing I want to point out is the challenge that comes with writing shepherd.
The hardest part about rebooting shepherd, is that no matter what they write, you are going to expect betrayal from him based on mw2. I can easily see writers being told by a higher up that they NEED shepherd, and scrambling to find out how to fit him, with the pretense that players will already distrust him.
And then, with that in mind, they write a massive fumble. Shepherds betrayal carries no emotional weight in mw2, it’s a generational fuck up. Not to mention how mwIII throws him away in a POST CREDIT CUTSCENE!!!
I'm here one year later. Soap is now the only "hero" to die in MW2023. And he dies suddenly at the end of the game like it was some Warzone finisher. I just HATE how this reboot series ruined the series. It's so boring now, I can pretty much call it James Bond with some mil-sim filter and no WW3. Or the Modern Warfare Cinematic Universe, MWCU because they keep all the heroes alive like they're the Avengers and they say some shitty one liners or lines that are supposed to make us remember it like redditors referencing comic book movie lines. I'm so glad my PS3 still works so I can be able to play the REAL Modern Warfare trilogy and the REAL MW3.
April 23, 2024
CoD hasn’t made 1 compelling story since BO2
Bad Company was alright
@@creatorsfreedom6734 CoD not Battlefield
yeah dude the lack of a set of army rangers missions really makes me not wanna buy the game and what they did to shadow company is just disappointing
So glad I didn't fall for the nostalgia bait that was the reboots. I knew nothing they would be "willing" to do today would ever come close to the originals.
What if price’s warning came before Shepard came
I second this, this would be a somewhat interesting video essay topic to cover. See what happens if TF141 figures out Shepard's intention to tie up loose ends before he stabs them in the back (or rather, shoots them in the gut). What would be the outcome? Would Soap shoot Gl. Shepard on sight? Would shadow company play a bigger role as an independently acting force after they lose their main contract guarantor? Would the Enclave beat the brotherhood into submission like what should have happened from the start? Stay tuned for next week's Dragon Ball Z!
Unexpected video, but a welcome one
Alex better come back in the next game or his fake out death would be all for nothing. And why is he even in combat he's missing a leg. If that prosthetic gets shot or just comes loose he's fucked
If they're not going to follow the plot of the original game or use the original cast why are they using the same characters? Just change their names and blamo it's a new story you can do anything you like.
It's like forcing Darth Vader and Han Solo into a 90's buddy cop movie, out of character with different actors
i think its also rather odd that while also reusing the MW characters they make the plot between games feel disjointed and unconnected where as even though mw1 felt like it was never initially planned to have a squeal at least based on how it wrapped everything up and never baited like the end of mw2 there would be a mw3, mw2 still felt properly connected while the current reboot feels disjointed as it dose not really carry on with mw 2019's plot for the most part
I mean story wise this betrayal was to cover a botched op. Shadow Company may be dead but maybe Shepherd could come back in the 3rd game to redeem himself after say you reach a low point in the game such as Makarov damn near beats 141 and 141 is out of resources
I am happy though that ghost doesn't die, because Ghost is my favorite character in all of cod history....buuut, that's the only thing I enjoyed about this game, everything else was trash
Here's a video idea for my channel and would like to here what you think of it.Basically it's a what if Elkhart died before he cut the communication lines. What do you think?
That's something along the lines of what I'm going to explore
@@TheOmegaInitiative great minds think alike
Anyone else think Shepherd would be an amazing General for The Enclave, especially one that is Not Psychotically Genocidal?
Not related to the topic but I'm going to release a video about the Appalachian enclave and their future going forward. You inspired me to make the video
Damn, wish I could even get the campaign to work. Shit crashes or glitches too much
Still gives me goosebumps
honestly 2022 Gen. Shepherd is by far more realistic until he hires PMCs for military operations which the US government would never allow, and yes I do realize the US government hired PMCs for the initial response after Hurricane Katrina.
Based
bgl private allen was mentally fucking insane
I was more concerned about ghost
i enjoy these non fallout videos keep it up!
I got a question there should be remnants of the us military in fallout like Canada Anchorage and Hawaii because here my theory the country was falling apart so what left of the Pentagon stuff and generals ordered what left of the military in bases Checkpoints to take what they can and get to the navy for evacuate to Canada Anchorage and Hawaii or Walk or drive there and there’s some proof of it in fallout 4 there’s a tank on the beach so that might be were was the evacuation at one point and some of the military Convoys are on the road but the road in some way to damage to drive on and the Checkpoints are Abandoned and the bases that is why there’s less military bodies of the Skeletons and the Equipment and vehicles they can’t take with them because not much time or damage in what left of the Air Force bases used ac130 to take what Equipment vehicles and men to pulled out as they county fall apart behind them in fallout 76 Maybe in the same way as fallout 3 probably not because what left of them head towards the enclave bunker in West Virginia and fallout New Vegas probably the same what left of them pulled out and head towards Canada Anchorage and Hawaii and the other fallout games hard to say they were on the coast so they pulled out with what left of the navy so that a good idea of what happened to them to start a new life and for a future video and a what if as well what do not a bad idea and a theory and for a video?
I really Hate Seeing Real People in Video Game's !!
You clearly didn't watch the video
Why didn't Shepherd in the original game just take the DSM and let 141 live? They didn't know what was on it, so why kill them?
a bit late but i think the writers of the new modern warfare are trying write their own new story (obviously) i think the're going for a longer story. originish story of shadow company and some of the characters (and new ones) starting out with a soft campaign before going to all out war like in the original mw2. but yeah shepards betrayel sucks in the new mw2 but i like that makarov has turned his own nationalist forces into a pmc (komi) sorta fits the modern vibe (blackwater and wagner) all in all the writers are games of thrones writing where everything is gonna be laid out (longer)
It's not worth the payoff in my opinion if it comes at the expense of one third of the entire story.
Wait. So, how does this relate to the Enclave?
IMO, they didn’t want to focus on Shepherd’s betrayal. We all knew it www coming so it wouldn’t of been satisfying. I think the focus was rather in the characters themselves and the gameplay of the campaign. Witch I think www the better route to go down. With MW3 we can hopefully we can see some more focus on the actual story, as rewriting Makarov is much easier than rewriting an already expected betrayal. In that sense I was happy w/ MW2 and it’s stories, as I liked every character as an individual, and I felt personally closer to them. Now, I hope they can just really nail down the story in MW3
I literally cared more when the Shadow company soldiers were killed by Konni than I do for any of the characters in the campaign.
@@TheOmegaInitiative That’s your opinion, but at the end of the day there’s always going to be someone who didn’t enjoy a piece of media or specific part.
How the varied gameplay (which to be fair was quite annoying at times like w/ that car jumping mission) was handled in combination w/ the extra focus on the characters was the reason why the reviews for the campaign were/good (Good, not necessarily great or amazing but solid/enjoyable)
So I think my point generally still stands, even if you personally don’t agree.
Even then mw2 still makes zero sense. They should never have gone down the world war 3 route, and I'm glad this new trilogy isn't doing that shit either.
This is new
That's okay. Because the betrayal in the original was nonsensical and ridiculous as well.
I'm kinda disappointed that they recycled so much of the original MW2 into the 2022 reboot. Because the MW1 reboot was... amazingly well done. Well structured. And the weakest point of the original MW2 was its story. It was just a myriad of Michael Bay moments that were somehow supposed to make sense even though they didn't. No one saw hundreds of planes and ships heading towards America and Europe in an obvious invasion? The game attempts to explain this (...badly...) away by the opening mission with the satellite... thing... something-something all our satellites are blind. Okay. Doesn't work that way, but okay. No one in and around Russia thought it... I dunno... Odd... that an invasion fleet that took weeks/months just started heading towards America and Europe, though? No one saw tons of Russian military aircraft heading into Europe and decided to pick up a phone? Price decides the best idea to deal with the invasion is to hijack a Russian submarine, launch *_a nuke at America_* and use it as an EMP (which also somehow destroys the ISS... because the writers thought there were blast waves. In space.) because... that would somehow help the American war effort?
...They really thought revisiting this story was a good idea after they went independent with the MW1 reboot? Who made this decision?
I don’t mind call of duty because i play call of duty ghosts and question can you do what happened to the us military in call of duty ghosts and what if Australian and New Zealand did not get nuke because of the Defence system and what if there’s still remnants of Canada military and government as the resistances in underground bunkers and forests before and after the bombs????
Modern Shepard felt generic. Hell the whole campaign is but the majority of characters are great
this game's existence doesn't make sense
The problem with modern CoD’s is who makes it and the political implications especially considering the ongoing geopolitical situation (war) in 2022 despite the build up to WW3 with dictatorial Russia and not-Syria in the last game even though no one else in entertainment cares about those vague boundaries. Chinese gacha devs, modern writing, same old corporate corruption. Raven has been holding up MW2 ‘22 against this. At least Ghost, Gaz and Soap are still alive. I was actually hopeful especially considering the premise of the reboots seemed like it was a NATO patriotic victory over foreign regimes through wrong-righting (alluding to real mistakes made).
Dude nothing works in this silly goofy Ah remake
Not even a remake, just a recycling reboot
The new betrayal is not the MW2 betrayal for a reason lol. Were so Used to the old games betrayal that we instatly think " oh sheperd is here welp ghost is gonna die thats fun". Tbh Graves' betrayal wasnt even a betrayal tbh. The thing I like about the new games is that they arent doing a soft reboot like changing some things but leaving the majority in, they are changing everything but Keeping the characters the same. In the Third game i think theyll flip the table, Sheperd is gonna go on missions to help you n stuff but will get killed by Graves or Zakayev or Makarov. If they dont think of something bigger than the betrayal with Sheperd in MW2, then they are really bad writers and should be fired
Well looks like making COD videos didn’t work out.
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Mw2022 is ass, through-and-through.
How you forget about being interrogated by him in BF3?
Because I played the campaign once and it wasn't very interesting