I switched from flat to more upright a few years ago and it was the best thing for my game (compression, distance, easier on the body, divots!). Now my shape shot is a fade. As you mentioned, it's important to turn at the hips when using this swing or you get excessive fadage. A lot of lessons teach to keep your armpits tied to your body....which limits the ability to raise the arms on the backswing.
This is the best tip I’ve had in a long time as I’ve really been struggling with this. Thanks Andy! I look forward to trying it tomorrow on my simulator
Thank you for this video! Almost every video online focuses on over-the-top slicers, and finally there is one for my swing. This has helped tremendously! It was always drilled into my head as a junior to keep my elbow in, which is probably why I have a consistent in-to-out swing. This tip has helped me hit irons much more flush, higher, and with more spin. Thanks for catering to us hookers, even though we might be a smaller group than the slicers.
You described me...I have begun to shallow up my swing as I age...and my once crisp iron game is not what it used to be yet my driver is better & longer than ever. Until this video, I never realized why that was the case, so now let's see if I can successfully follow your correcting advice. Great video.
Excellent instruction video with drills that can be repeated to correct a too flat golf swing which will help prevent fat shots, shanking, and big hooks
Whats worth mentioning also ...is if one comes into shallow on course in rough or semi rough it will be highly difficult to get out of it with a shallow back swing.
OMG! I can’t thank you enough for this video! I’ve been struggling with my irons on the course recently and after watching this video had one of my best iron games today. I made two birdies on the par threes hitting my irons! One landed two feet from the hole! I love your videos, thanks again!
This describes me, to a tee. I can consistently hit a high draw, with my driver. However, there was a time that i couldn’t hit a fade, if I tried, and my short iron contact was sketchy. I’ve changed that, through experimenting with “plane”. One of the main things that helped me, besides consciously swinging the club steeper, was to stand slightly closer to the ball, at setup. I’m not sure if you would recommend this, but it just feels natural to swing steeper, when standing slightly closer. Love the content in this video. Definitely for lower hc players.
Dude, you are really speaking to my swing on your last two videos. Thanks so much! I’m a year and half in, now, on working on my swing since music (my life) got basically destructified in the pandemia. Golf is my latest instrument. Thanks for clarifying this stuff for us!
Brilliant video, Andy. I do hit the ball cleanly. I know I am slightly shallow so lose distance. I will give this a go. I have been told my a couple of my club pros that I am too steep with the irons. But it was the way i was taught in the 1980's. I was told to play it like a cricket shot to get the follow through in those days. I don't hit it like that now 38 years on. I have been told you can only take an inch off of a graphite shaft. I am diddy at 5ft 2 inches. So it is to for me.
Great video Andy. Finally mastered hitting my driver (used to slice it badly) but at the expense of now having a shallow iron swing with loads of fat shots. Will give these tips a go as it’s killing my game 🤞🏼
Good lesson again there Andy. I know when I bow my left wrist on the takeaway, it gets a little inside. My solution is to bow the wrist to start the transition now. It’s helps me not to drop the club at the top as I have for 24 years. 🤣🥂
Great tips. It's easy for me to focus so much on dropping my hands and clearing my hips-with lag, I sometimes forget to not swing too shallow. It'll be great once my muscle memory is of a decent swing, not my "one round a year ax-chop!"
I'm heading to the range tomorrow, I've been trying to figure out why I'm so successful with my driver , woods and high irons and terrible with my wedges and lower irons. Thank you for the tip ill let you know how the progress goes
That thumbnail is me I broke 90 first time this year. All my approaches are low and or right. Driver fades straight flies or hooks. I’ve learned to manage with it
You described me too a tee. Lol I can still compress the ball because I keep my weight on the left side throughout the swing. I started using these drills and I am hitting some solid shots. Any changes take a bit before they are comfortable though. I am concerned about how it will effect my driver because that was the most consistent club in my bag. Thanks for the tip!!!
I’m waiting for the video that helps me go from hitting off a mat on a simulator all winter, to going back to grass in the spring. lol. Simulator’s are great for those of us that don’t live in places like Dubai, but they sure do cause some bad habits.
We coach on mats in the studio, the transition is a little different but doesnt cause any bad habits or different shots. You’re still using the same golf swing. For example, If you Fat it off a matt the matt will forgive and the ball travels, but the grass is less forgiving. The grass isnt the issue the ball striking is.
Another gem Andy. Great explanation on the backswing mechanics and feels. Came to may be find out more about shallowing the club, straight away found out that I'm already doing it 😂been happy with my woods lately, wedges not so much. Prone to duffs and the occasional shank. Now I know what to look out for. When I try to correct my hooks by going more infront on the backswing though, I find myself fading it instead, which I don't like and am even worse at controlling. It's a constant fight. May be you've got some more tips to manage a consistent draw?
What happens is that your downswing is manipulated because of the flat backswing. But when you steepen the backswing the downswing doesn’t know that so continues to manipulate and steepen it so now you’re out to in. You need to fix downswing once backswing is better. Or embrace and control the fade without hitting too much spin and losing distance.
@@andycartergolf thank you for taking the time to reply! That makes a lot of sense, I’ll try to work on that. Will try and get on Skillest once swing is stable!
Thanks Andy! I struggle with this, with the different length clubs is the steepness of the back swing linked to your spine angle, should we try and keep the club shaft about 90 degrees to the spine?
So, I bought one length Cobra Iron Golf Clubs and had a Club Champion fitting for my driver. People say my swing looks good, but they also say I should hit the ball further. Since, all my irons are the length of a seven-iron, I don't feel the need to shallow the club much. With the driver I do. With both driver & iron, I try to make sure my right wrist is bent back & my right elbow points towards the ground before I start my downswing. The mechanics of my swing are to bump my hips toward the target, then simultaneously start my knees and hips rotating as I drop the right elbow toward the liver. My hips go first & then my torso & shoulders. I try not to engage my shoulder turn until my club shaft is at a 20-degree up angle to the ground. Have I got a grasp on this shallow, & then, swing technique?
Well, Sounds like you know where you want it to go. Theres a lot in there to think about and its nearly impossible to think of it all so maybe just dissect it again and go bit by bit
Hi my name is Sam and I am a shallow hitter, I have been trying to stop hitting shallow for 5 months now. This all makes sense, however all I need to do is have my brain and body realise this at the same time simple ha ha ha
This is my problem. Im just turning around my body, driver is fine, because i cam get away with it, but long irons are very poor, short irons, okay, i have tried lifting, it just feels so un-natural because my brain is used to being shallow... i will have to work on this or i will always suck... played 89 today, didnt hit one long iron into the air, flat and slicing to the right... 6 over on front, 11 over on back...
This is the only way i can swing, super strong grip and closed face and turn hard to the left Im also 22 and former college.gymnast so, maybe im able to rotate better than most
Too shallow of a club? Or too flat of a swing plane? Or are they one in the same? ... there's so many videos on how to shallow the club on the downswing...
@@andycartergolf That makes a little more sense. I think this is one of my main faults, leading to a club delivery that's way too far from the inside. Thanks for the upload, Carter!
I can I say this and be politically correct? Do slightly large body golfers around the mid drift suffer with this golf swing? As I’ve got older the belly has expanded (not too much I might add) and I’ve lost compression on my irons which has lost my distance. However if I’m honest I think I’m allowing the club to reach behind too much on the take away.
Yes I’ve seen it, i often encourage a steeper golf swing. so although its out to in, if you can control the clubface at impact then you’ll get better compression
We speak a lot about slicers… here’s one for my hookers!!
What did you call me
I switched from flat to more upright a few years ago and it was the best thing for my game (compression, distance, easier on the body, divots!). Now my shape shot is a fade. As you mentioned, it's important to turn at the hips when using this swing or you get excessive fadage.
A lot of lessons teach to keep your armpits tied to your body....which limits the ability to raise the arms on the backswing.
You’ve highlighted my backswing exactly!!! I definitely don’t lift my arms at all. Will give this a go. Thanks 😊
This is the best tip I’ve had in a long time as I’ve really been struggling with this. Thanks Andy! I look forward to trying it tomorrow on my simulator
Thanks Jeff
Good luck with it
@@andycartergolf It works great! I hit the ball incredibly well today. Thanks Andy!
Thank you for this video! Almost every video online focuses on over-the-top slicers, and finally there is one for my swing. This has helped tremendously! It was always drilled into my head as a junior to keep my elbow in, which is probably why I have a consistent in-to-out swing. This tip has helped me hit irons much more flush, higher, and with more spin. Thanks for catering to us hookers, even though we might be a smaller group than the slicers.
My pleasure Rob. Glad the video has helped.
Stay tuned for more help 👊🏽
You described me...I have begun to shallow up my swing as I age...and my once crisp iron game is not what it used to be yet my driver is better & longer than ever. Until this video, I never realized why that was the case, so now let's see if I can successfully follow your correcting advice. Great video.
Glad its helped bring clarity and hopefully it helps improve the irons too
Andy Great video, I have been fighting a flat shallow swing. The pull hook is my miss. I will work on this great drill Wishing you great golf
Excellent instruction video with drills that can be repeated to correct a too flat golf swing which will help prevent fat shots, shanking, and big hooks
Whats worth mentioning also ...is if one comes into shallow on course in rough or semi rough it will be highly difficult to get out of it with a shallow back swing.
OMG! I can’t thank you enough for this video! I’ve been struggling with my irons on the course recently and after watching this video had one of my best iron games today. I made two birdies on the par threes hitting my irons! One landed two feet from the hole! I love your videos, thanks again!
Yes love the hear that. Well done
4:21 this was it for me Andy cheers mate very well explained. I think I was so scared to use my arms as I used to swing way over the top.
This describes me, to a tee. I can consistently hit a high draw, with my driver. However, there was a time that i couldn’t hit a fade, if I tried, and my short iron contact was sketchy. I’ve changed that, through experimenting with “plane”. One of the main things that helped me, besides consciously swinging the club steeper, was to stand slightly closer to the ball, at setup. I’m not sure if you would recommend this, but it just feels natural to swing steeper, when standing slightly closer. Love the content in this video. Definitely for lower hc players.
Yes absolutely, get a little closer and work the arms UP. Nice change
Very good tips as always Andy
Thanks so much for breaking these down so well!
Dude, you are really speaking to my swing on your last two videos. Thanks so much!
I’m a year and half in, now, on working on my swing since music (my life) got basically destructified in the pandemia. Golf is my latest instrument. Thanks for clarifying this stuff for us!
Glad i can help buddy
Brilliant video, Andy. I do hit the ball cleanly. I know I am slightly shallow so lose distance. I will give this a go. I have been told my a couple of my club pros that I am too steep with the irons. But it was the way i was taught in the 1980's. I was told to play it like a cricket shot to get the follow through in those days. I don't hit it like that now 38 years on. I have been told you can only take an inch off of a graphite shaft. I am diddy at 5ft 2 inches. So it is to for me.
I've been working n this sort of problem for some time - I used to get some terrible shanked shots.
Many thanks for the drills!
Cheers
Ooooft don’t say the S word!
Andy - Outstanding video!! Addresses my issues spot on. Thanks for posting. Jim
Glad its helped Jim
Great video Andy. Finally mastered hitting my driver (used to slice it badly) but at the expense of now having a shallow iron swing with loads of fat shots. Will give these tips a go as it’s killing my game 🤞🏼
Hope it helps Mark
Good lesson again there Andy. I know when I bow my left wrist on the takeaway, it gets a little inside. My solution is to bow the wrist to start the transition now. It’s helps me not to drop the club at the top as I have for 24 years. 🤣🥂
Perfect timing, have really struggled with this lately
Life changing swing thought, completely changed quality of strike
Excellent coaching tips.
Thank you very much, Andy.
Thanks
Great tips. It's easy for me to focus so much on dropping my hands and clearing my hips-with lag, I sometimes forget to not swing too shallow. It'll be great once my muscle memory is of a decent swing, not my "one round a year ax-chop!"
Hi andy
I have difficulty with a flat swing as i broke my left wist years ago which leads to a shank
I will give this a try
Bill
I do all of the "shallow swing" movements and really struggle with it. Will be in the range practicing this over the next few weeks. Cheers Andy
Hope it helps Peter
I'm heading to the range tomorrow, I've been trying to figure out why I'm so successful with my driver , woods and high irons and terrible with my wedges and lower irons. Thank you for the tip ill let you know how the progress goes
Hope it worked buddy
That thumbnail is me
I broke 90 first time this year. All my approaches are low and or right. Driver fades straight flies or hooks. I’ve learned to manage with it
Quality as always Mr Carter 🏌♂️⛳😎
Can you do one on push power vs pull power?
Well done andy 👏 👍 😀
Spot on mate! Thank you
Good lesson. Thank you. If you ever travel to DC metro, let’s play a round
Mr. Carter than was explained so well that even an idiot like myself completely understands.. thanks so much ...
Glad it helped Ray!
You described me too a tee. Lol
I can still compress the ball because I keep my weight on the left side throughout the swing. I started using these drills and I am hitting some solid shots. Any changes take a bit before they are comfortable though. I am concerned about how it will effect my driver because that was the most consistent club in my bag. Thanks for the tip!!!
Driver is fundamentally a different move so be careful, glad this helped the irons
@@andycartergolf What’s the difference?
How about setting the wrists
I’m waiting for the video that helps me go from hitting off a mat on a simulator all winter, to going back to grass in the spring. lol. Simulator’s are great for those of us that don’t live in places like Dubai, but they sure do cause some bad habits.
We coach on mats in the studio, the transition is a little different but doesnt cause any bad habits or different shots. You’re still using the same golf swing.
For example, If you Fat it off a matt the matt will forgive and the ball travels, but the grass is less forgiving. The grass isnt the issue the ball striking is.
Another gem Andy. Great explanation on the backswing mechanics and feels. Came to may be find out more about shallowing the club, straight away found out that I'm already doing it 😂been happy with my woods lately, wedges not so much. Prone to duffs and the occasional shank. Now I know what to look out for.
When I try to correct my hooks by going more infront on the backswing though, I find myself fading it instead, which I don't like and am even worse at controlling. It's a constant fight. May be you've got some more tips to manage a consistent draw?
What happens is that your downswing is manipulated because of the flat backswing.
But when you steepen the backswing the downswing doesn’t know that so continues to manipulate and steepen it so now you’re out to in.
You need to fix downswing once backswing is better.
Or embrace and control the fade without hitting too much spin and losing distance.
@@andycartergolf thank you for taking the time to reply! That makes a lot of sense, I’ll try to work on that. Will try and get on Skillest once swing is stable!
Great Tipps!
Thanks Andy! I struggle with this, with the different length clubs is the steepness of the back swing linked to your spine angle, should we try and keep the club shaft about 90 degrees to the spine?
So, I bought one length Cobra Iron Golf Clubs and had a Club Champion fitting for my driver. People say my swing looks good, but they also say I should hit the ball further. Since, all my irons are the length of a seven-iron, I don't feel the need to shallow the club much. With the driver I do. With both driver & iron, I try to make sure my right wrist is bent back & my right elbow points towards the ground before I start my downswing. The mechanics of my swing are to bump my hips toward the target, then simultaneously start my knees and hips rotating as I drop the right elbow toward the liver. My hips go first & then my torso & shoulders. I try not to engage my shoulder turn until my club shaft is at a 20-degree up angle to the ground. Have I got a grasp on this shallow, & then, swing technique?
Id dare say you're over thinking it slightly 😂
Well, Sounds like you know where you want it to go. Theres a lot in there to think about and its nearly impossible to think of it all so maybe just dissect it again and go bit by bit
Isn’t Matt Wolfe doing this by creating a steep backswing ? Would you recommend this if you struggle with a flat swing
Good info!
Thanks Mark
Whats about Hogan? Very flat Backswing 😊
So there is supposed to be lift. Didn't know that thanks
Thanks for the vid, ive had a go and got some footage, how do I send to you?
Sometimes I hit the ball fat when my swing gets off. Would this make it worse?? Thanks
Hi my name is Sam and I am a shallow hitter, I have been trying to stop hitting shallow for 5 months now. This all makes sense, however all I need to do is have my brain and body realise this at the same time simple ha ha ha
Hi Sam!
Try lots of slow repetitive drills and be patient.
Considering the shanks, I assume you’d also see a lot of heel side strikes? That’s plaguing me currently.
You could see a lot of heel strikes but it depends on the transition and how you come back to the ball but yes its common
This is my problem. Im just turning around my body, driver is fine, because i cam get away with it, but long irons are very poor, short irons, okay, i have tried lifting, it just feels so un-natural because my brain is used to being shallow... i will have to work on this or i will always suck... played 89 today, didnt hit one long iron into the air, flat and slicing to the right... 6 over on front, 11 over on back...
This is the only way i can swing, super strong grip and closed face and turn hard to the left
Im also 22 and former college.gymnast so, maybe im able to rotate better than most
Hi Andy, its Kangna, do you remember me? hahahahhh
Of course! I Hope you’re still playing golf!!
@@andycartergolf Kind of yeah! Ill deff join again once my exams are over. How you doing?
Too shallow of a club? Or too flat of a swing plane? Or are they one in the same? ... there's so many videos on how to shallow the club on the downswing...
Open to interpretation. Its not too important.
Its a shallow takeaway away into a flat top of the backswing. or just s flat swing plane.
Up to you.
@@andycartergolf That makes a little more sense. I think this is one of my main faults, leading to a club delivery that's way too far from the inside. Thanks for the upload, Carter!
I can I say this and be politically correct? Do slightly large body golfers around the mid drift suffer with this golf swing? As I’ve got older the belly has expanded (not too much I might add) and I’ve lost compression on my irons which has lost my distance. However if I’m honest I think I’m allowing the club to reach behind too much on the take away.
Yes I’ve seen it, i often encourage a steeper golf swing. so although its out to in, if you can control the clubface at impact then you’ll get better compression
Jon Rahm be like: bruh
Trick question: no such thing as too shallow.