Other Manufacturers Should Worry About CFMOTO - Here's Why (450NK and 800NK Review)
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Today I review the CFMOTO 450NK and 800NK and compare them to segment leaders like the KTM 790 Duke, 890 Duke, Suzuki GSX-8S, Triumph Street Triple, Yamaha MT-09, MT-07, Kawasaki Z500, Honda CB500F, KTM 390 Duke and more. #motorcycle #cfmoto #sportbike
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00:00 Intro
02:14 CFMOTO History
03:39 Ergonomics
04:33 Sound Checks
05:03 450 Specs
06:23 800 Specs
07:58 800 Tour
12:22 450 Tour
15:31 450 Ride
21:56 800 Ride
28:02 Downsides?
29:40 Competitors
33:52 Final Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
Question for you: would you buy a CFMOTO over the more established Japanese and European brands? Why or why not?
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Still waiting for a super Tenere review 😢
yes i would. the 800nk advanced looks like a solid package.
The Z400 is about a 5199.00 Why would I pay more for a Chinese bike when I can get a Japanese for less money? Kawasaki reliability.
Never. China is a Communist dictatorship
If cfmoto had the e exact bike that I was looking for, I would probably buy it
Dude, hundreds of people (including me) wait for your review to pull the trigger on the 450mt. Thats my answer to your question.
Picking my Mt up on Monday, there selling like hotcakes here in Australia.
Ordered mine 8 days after going on sale and the dealer had orders for over 30 off them .
Not bad for a small town .
it is more like thousands
Bike: "I'm out of fuel!" Ian: Proceeds with max throttle going in opposite direction of any fuel station, ha.
I AM actually considering the CFMoto 450 MT (Ibex) here in the states. Been looking for something with adjustable suspension, tubeless tires, TFT, moderate seat height, moderate weight and a parallel twin for years and I have seen that many others have been looking for that as well. But, unfortunately, the main manufacturers continue to build bigger and heavier bikes, neglecting this segment. I don't need a 70+ BHP motorbike for touring and off road riding. 450-500cc is just right for me; I don't feel the need to get a higher displacement bike. As the saying goes, "I'd rather ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow". CFMoto is the first manufacturer to build the exact bike that I have been looking for. Am I disappointed that its a Chinese manufacturer, I'd say yes, but everything I've seen from CFMoto recently is better quality and has a good price point (I'm sure their pricing will go up after wider adoption). I am super close to putting the money down for the 450 MT as it checks all the boxes and looks good to boot. I know its a first year build, and its Chinese, but I will happily be a guinea pig on that bike, and I may pay for it in time, stress and money. That is a price I'm willing to pay to make the main Japanese manufacturers realize that they are completely ignoring this segment of the ADV world and they will lose money because of it. Great review btw, as usual!
thanks for sharing
You may not pay the price. They have a killer warranty. I have a 5 year warranty on my side by side and they literally ask 0 questions. If something breaks you drop it off and they fix it. Oil pump failed on mine. Wiped the bearings. Locked up at 40 mph. I called the next morning, they said bring it by. 3 weeks later they called back and said they replaced the engine and the starter because it got weak from me trying to start the engine whilst being locked up. Cost me $0. Didn’t ask how I was riding it or anything. Never tried to place fault on me. I’ll take that all day long
The 450 twin really really literally sounds great. If only the other brands offeted twins like that. The Honda 500x Id consider..Reliability is of the upmost importantance to me.
My thoughts too. BUT find out the price to do the service maintanrce for valve checks & resets, On Kawasaki Versa 350 X they charge $1500+ for this dealership work. SCREW THAT BS, - a good out the door price for the bike is about $ 4500 - $ 5500. Passed on that “Jap” bike…So check on this CFMoto 450 Adv model FIRST !!!
I tried the 450MT and I have to say that it's a bit slow, feels more like 30ish horsepower when you ride it. Never had the chance to spin it all the way or anything, but my general impression was that it's quite a bit slower than 450nk or 450ss. Maybe that was a conscious decision seeing how it's more of an off-road bike
I came across 4 guys out in the country the other day riding some back dirt roads, (I've got a Transalp and am in Australia) , 2 of them had Tuaregs and 2 of then had 450MT's. Very positive reviews of the MT's and no trouble keeping up with the Tuareg's anywhere.
Not buying a CFMoto but your reviews are top notch! Best on UA-cam…
they are, hands down
When I went out to buy a new motorcycle I ended up buying a KTM 890 2022 for 2 reasons: it was a clearance because the 2023 model was coming in and I got an amazing price for the money I paid. As you said, a lot of bike for my buck.
When I was considering buying the motorcycle, one of the first tests I did was with the 800 Mt or ibex 800. Loved the value for money. Unfortunately I decided to not go ahead with the CFMoto because it was a bit raw and unrefined. 1.5 years later, CFMoto launched 2 new ibex 800 versions, worked on the quality and refinement and added new features like android auto and car play... In my opinion it should at least qualify for a test ride to ensure that this is something that you do not want. I think CFMoto is going to give hell to all manufacturers due to their pricing point, options and incoming quality.
Long story short: yes, I would consider buying a CFMoto. For the 5 year warranty offered in Romania and the price I pay, I would take one, use it like crazy for 5 years and they just send it to the recycling bin and get a new one.
I did buy one. I picked up a 2022 650 adventura new in October for $4500 out the door. It has far exceeded my expectations so far. I have only put 1200 miles on it so far..
I’m 100% thinking about it but honestly? Waiting for your review on the CF Moto 450MT
Not a supporter of Chinese imports but I appreciate the fair review.
I sat on an IBEX model in Yuba City or Marysville, CA last week. At a quad and jet ski dealership that now sells motorcycles.
Love your stuff. Keep it up.
Good review as usual.
I have been looking at the 800MT Explorer, I think what you call Ibex explorer in the US. So I was interested to watch this, even though not adventure bikes.
It comes across how different setups and warranty can be in different countries. Only 2 years warranty, here in Mexico, it is only 1 year warranty, but if I understand it correctly, it is unlimed km.
The bikes you have tested have 3 years warranty in Sweden, however if you go for any of the 700 or 800 adventure bikes from 2024 model, you get a whole whooping 5 years of warranty. Not bad.
But then, the explorer model in many countries include panniers, in Sweden you have to pay extra for them.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers from Swede in Mexico
To answer the question - it's a little frustrating there aren't many or great choices for small Adv bikes. CF Moto's 450MT is almost like a unicorn in terms of the segment it's in. As far as a small twin goes it's the Honda 500x for about your only other choice? - but you have to put a shit ton of extra money into it to make it truly off road worthy (spoked wheels, better suspension, protection etc). If the MT has all that I would have to consider it (just l considered the Himalayan bought it and I love it so far although it needs just a little more power and perhaps another gear). I just added a RE Himalayan 411 to my quiver and it's great along with some of the other small single ADV bikes (KTM 390 etc). I'm changing out my big ADV bikes for smaller bikes because small is more fun off-road - just like mentioned riding a slow bike fast really is more fun - we don't need 150hp and 20+ k motorcycles to have fun IMO. The downside of the singles are on road so it would be so nice to have a parallel twin like the 450 MT. (I consider a parallel twin a different segment than a one cylinder thumper even if the displacement is roughly the same just my 2 cents) 36:03
the bike is fun but you guys will be pissed because of the top speed.. before you change the bike relation it's really not meant for long distances
@@ianmoone6562 Yes I don't disagree with you, I'll always have a big bike as well for long distance road touring. I'm searching for the right BDR bike for when you're 90% off road and you're too old to lift a 600lb (or more loaded) bike more than once a day! I currently still have an AT and a KTM1190 (trying to decide which one to sell because I don't need both even though I love them both - on road!)
You should have waited for the Himalayan 450, way better than the 411
It depends a lot on what kind of off pavement stuff you want to do, but my 2022 Honda CB500x with a Rally Raid level 1 rear shock and their skidplate (plus SW Mototech crash guards, barkbusters, etc) gets the job done on pretty much any two lane dirt road as well as on less technical single tracks. I've banged the RR skidplate a bunch of times - it takes a beating!
So, although ground clearance isn't great, if you pick good lines and slow down in the nasty stuff it's very capable. At 440 lbs wet, it's not light but it carries its weight pretty low so it's pretty easy to pick up too.
I really love the CB500X as an all-rounder, but unfortunately as a tall rider it's a little cramped so it won't be my forever bike. If you are 6' tall or less, weigh less than 200 lbs, then it's a fantastic bike. Don't knock it until you try one!
@@alozborne I'm intrigued by the 500x also. How much are you into it adding the Rally Raid stuff though?
If you are on a budget, just get a KLR650 that will go just about anywhere.
Great job Ian. I was considering CFMoto up here in Eastern Canada. (They've been around here for years in the ATV market) However, in recent years, the prices have crept up. I looked at the Ibex 800 touring but it was almost a $1000 more than the bike I went with. The vstrom 800de. And congrats on 250k subs 🍻
No, I would not consider buying a CF Moto.
I would buy another Honda 😁👍
I have a CLX 700 sport that I bought last year brand new OTD for $5,999. It's a great bike and I really enjoy riding it. The styling is really nice too. It gets a lot of attention at bike nights in NYC!
Bought a CFMOTO IBEX 800T spring 2023 and love it! Just put 50/50 tires on it and ready for more off pavement adventures.
Your review is encouraging. Yes, I will consider the 450MT, depending on how close a service-providing dealer is in my area.
Great review as always your Chanel is very good.the replacement for my 4 year old Honda cb500x is probably going to be cf moto 700 mt but will look at the 450 and the 800 I do limited of road light gravel which is unavoidable in Australia a road only bike would be no good over here in my opinion. When my Honda moves about on gravel it’s ok standing but on the road bike it would be scary. I like wind protection away.
Thanks Ian for the review on these bikes I’m considering getting Moto 450 for my wife as she needs more power. She has right now does CB 300 F 2017 which gets blown around quite a bit with the wind, I heard that CANADA will not be getting the 450 MT have you heard anything different?
Great opening statement and a message that actaully made me think.
BMW F900R was sorely missing in the comparison for the 800
I’d buy one. My only concern is they build KTM engines and they don’t exactly have a good reputation.
You should have thrown in the Trident 660 for comparison rather than the Street triple.
They fixed the 790 cam issues and the bikes with this engine no longer have the wear problems
I don't comment videos so often. But :
- First of all, superb work of giving an objective point of view on exotic bikes from china
- I live in france, I tried those 2 bikes, we have an "advanced" version of the 800NK, with shifter, steering dampener, multimedia dash (carplay), keyless startup (but you need the key to open the fuel tank "duh") and a revised handlebar
- On the 800NK, the rain mode is about 50hp (by not opening the throttle all the way), the street has all power, the sport have all power + hard throttle response
- I tried the 450NK and got the exact same feeling. Wonderfull motor, smooth, powerfull enough, really enjoyable (same hahaha, when accelerating). But suspensions are... well. verry hard/bouncy. But the sound is WOW for a small bike.
- The 450NK is 45hp in europe, and the 800NK is 95hp (due to EU regulations on driving licences)
- Finally, Big thumbs up for this amazing work.
BTW, I don't knwo if you have the IBEX 800/800MT Explore edition, but you should definitely try this updated version.
also, I have talked to Honda/Suzuki representatives, they don't seem to understand that CFMOTO is really performing here in france.
Back in the 90's we used to debaffle Ducati's and cut out the top of the airbox. The 450 sounds identical, almost v-twin with that 270 crank.
I will be buying an Ibex when they arrive in the fall, it will be my daily commuter and keep miles off the GS.
I would say spot on review. I purchased a 800nk Advanced (std QS, steering damper, and larger 8" TFT) model in February and it just clocked 10k miles, cross shopping between the 8S, z900 and the duke 790. The CFmoto is certainly the best value for money with the standard features in the advanced model. It's also the most comfortable ergonomically and only second to the duke in fun to ride factor. Reliability and build quality is a mixed bag though, partly the fault of our local assembler/distributor.
Test rode the 450MT "unicorn" recently as well and may consider picking that up later this year as well.
I'm planning to ride from north America to the far south of south America. I was looking hard at the Tuareg 660, but for the cost difference and the unreliability of the Tuareg, I'm thinking about the CFMoto Ibex 450. With the savings on cost and a better dealer network throughout the Americas, I'm excited about this bike. My only concern is about power (lack thereof) at between 8-10k ft of altitude with luggage I typically ride. I am signed up for demo in Colorado near the end of July. CFMoto is partnered with both KTM and Yamaha, so they are used to producing a quality product.
The engine is not what worries me cuz usually its a carbon copy of a major brand that is reliable, but the rest... type of screws, quality of metal, electronics, rubber , vym8l, brake lines etc etc
The pirelli tires, brembo brakes, Bosch ignition, and fully adjustable KYB suspension have held up great after 2 years and almost 8k miles this far!
😉
Well if the engine is a copy of the ktm the cams may be a worry
@@aussiesam01 the cam issue was resolved AWHILE ago, there are whole new top ends, internal components, even the bikes that were affected are using the new parts.
So we have had these bikes in the uk for a while now, tons of reviews and all fantastic!!
I bought the Ibex 800T. Which you didn't like. New software fixed the fueling issue. You need to revist that bike. If the new 450 was here I would have bought one.
I think the newer generation of riders will like this motorcycle that comes with a TFT dash and Cruise control and all the bells that would come with a Goldwing
Love this review Ian, great work as always! For the love of god tho, please let those engines warm up before redlining them XD
To answer your question: simply no, why would anyone chose the 800 if the GSX-8S exists? The 450 feels right tho, let's see if they have the same KTM quality...
I am looking forward to seeing reviews on the clc450.
I’m impressed with the reviews for their honest opinions expressed. Having said that ,I am not currently in the market for a new machine. I have a 2019 BMWF750GS and am totally satisfied with its performance and capabilities. At 34,000 miles it’s stone reliable. Thanks for your continuing testing of new bikes.
I was really considering a CFMoto, but two of my friends have had their CF’s in the shop for over 5 months now.
(One needing an engine swap)
Just a bad taste, I’m gonna pass.
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Great video. CFMOTO all day long. I've had two, each for over two years. Excellent fit and finish, great handling and brakes. My CLX SPORT 700 even had cruise control. I bought right and saved about 25 percent on each bike over their Japanese competitors.
I've had many bikes and have had all the Japanese brands along with Ducati. The Chinese bikes are better if price and warranty are important to you. Truth is, China is entering the market, and knowing how they are working with the Japanese brands, buying from China is a better and better deal. Look for prices to climb over time. Enjoy the market while these conditions are available. Keep making awesome informative videos.
I bought a monht ago a Kawa Z900rs. The reason was pure desing, i just fell in love with it. That for me the biggest selling point of motorcycle buy. I am also an owner of Honda Africa Twin, also bike with amasing design. At least for me. Anyway great video as always.
I've got a 2023 CFMoto ATV. Good machine some quality issues up one delivery with brake clips. Plastics seem brittle and the replacements had new part numbers. Good machine for the money
Weight, wind protection, crisp brakes, nope. But of only today the dual sport 150-450s had twins it would be a different world. My old cl175 could cruise at 70mph, make 80mph hit 10000rpm but stop on a dime. My honda cx500 another twin could cruise at 80mph -with a Vetter fairing/stereo and load of luggage. Twins = power. Gosh great road tests Ian.
I'd ABSOLUTELY buy one. I finally got to sit on the Ibex 800 and the discontinued Adventura 650. The quality was very impressive. Nothing at all cheap feeling about them. And the features and warranty you get for the money can't be beat. I'm definitely getting the Ibex 450 as soon as i can! 🏍️💨
Ideally I’d be interested in the 450MT, so I’ll be watching your review of it when it does make it here in the U.S.
To answer your question: I'm looking at picking up a new bike next year and the Ibex 800 T was on my list. Stats seem good and initial reports were good as well (including yours). But recently, I'm seeing reports of issues with the bikes and CFMotos's failure to or inability to supply parts and address issues with the lack of customer service. I'm looking for a tough bike for long distance riding and while the Ibex looks good and is loaded with features, what's going to happen if the bike breaks in the middle of Wyoming, five days into a ten day ride? Will CFMoto be able to get parts to me quickly? Current, based on what I'm reading, the answer is no. With that, I've dropped the company from consideration. Maybe a brand to reconsider in the future.
Great video, I agree with you about the issues on purchase price and resale values, here in the UK the prices are around the same as yours being 500/700 ish less for the cfmotos, but the yearly comprehensive insurance is way higher for the cfmoto, so that's lower purchase price is wiped out in 1 or 2 years, add the resale value which is terrible for preowned Chinese bikes with no warranty, and it's just not worth u buying one over a Japanese bike or similar established brand
High praise for cf moto coming from you Ian. I'll have to pay them more attention.
Sure, remember back in the 60’s when Honda was first introduced.
Yea....but you meet the nicest people on a Honda.
@@Ntmoffi love it
I just purchased the 450MT here in Australia, and so far it’s very impressive especially what you get for the price. It’s got good build quality and I think people need to change their stigma regarding Chinese products, because most stuff we own is from there. And with KTM having a joint venture with them could only mean they’re doing something right 👍🏻
The reason why I (so far) have bought japanese, is because the reliability ive personally have had with them. Itll take a while for the Chinese to build up to that.
Nice one Big Rock...Wait til you get the CF Moto 450 MT, its even better 🙂
Can't wait!
Probably not, as someone that lives in Central America I have owned several China built motorcycles. And you can take it from me they have been crap. I also like the innovation of the Aprilia Tuareg in particular with the relocation of the air intake above the steering head in particular. The moto being my primary means of transport we get some torrential rains down here and I have gotten dangerously close to drowning my bike with an under seat intake set up. I am not interested in a rehashed version of the same thing built or not built in China.
Several? Names, please?
@@joaoamadosvz Serpento. Raybar..Keeway, Benelli.
@spencervidal3168 Geeeezzz... CFMOTO is very different, huge improvements
@@joaoamadosvz We will see. The KTM 790 has had some reliability issues... Same motor and manufacturing..
@@spencervidal3168 ok. Thanks, mate
Day three asking for super Tenere review!
Also can am spyder Rt - I know. Not your typical review. 😂
When are you going to build a kove 450 I can't wait for you to build one!
Can’t sell them quick enough in the UK.. Demand for the new 450 MT is out stripping supply..We all know the 800 NK is basically a 790 KTM with slightly different mapping and a lot more tech for a lot less money (UK) My only gripe after riding a few of these bikes is the fuelling can be a little iffy at times..👍ATB
4 year warranty in the UK, plus 8 years breakdown/recovery plan if service kept up to date at a CFMOTO dealer.
Bought the 450NK back in March, after a 40 year break from motorcycling. Absolutely love it, once I'd taken all the free play out of the throttle.
Its an extremly hot topic in Russia, since we are sanctioned and chinese cars are all over us. I never, like never though i would buy a chinese car myself, I had mostly german ones (last one was Audi a5 coupe 2.0 turbo. After half a year time trying to find a good replacement we finally start to look at chinese cars, and they are not that impressive. But some one suggested me to try Geely Monjaro. We come to a dealer for a test ride and while waiting for manager my wife just sits inside the car for a bit. She comes out and sais - its a good car, you woldnt believe it. I am like - wait, what? I sit inside and its a good car. Like really a decent car, again, I had 6 y/o kinda sporty german coupe before that, i have some standarts. So we take it for a ride and she rides like a good european car, like a volvo i would say.
In a week we just buy one. 15k km already, rode across country, its a good car i cant really critisize. One thing that is really luckluster is a climate control - no idea why it is tuned so badly, otherwise its just a great car and i would suggest anyone to try it out.
So this is the answer - people who think chinese cars or motos are trash have probably no relevant expereinece. In 10 years we will all consider them a 100 percent valid option.
Totally will consider a CFMoto, probably as a second bike.
Ian, light is RIGHT !!! The 450 is the Boss Value MC. Can’t wait for you to put the 450 “Adventure” model thru the paces !!!
I have 4200 miles on my Ibex 800T. Gonna take it on the WA BDR this summer!
Hello Ian. Great review. To answer your question - no, I wouldn't consider the CFMoto. Not for reasons to do with quality, price etc, but purely political. I boycott as many products as I can from communists and other types of dictatorships. I can't filter them all out, but this one I can. Still, interesting to know how they are doing, so thanks for the review
Ive owned cfmoto both atv and now an ibex motorcycle. They are good brand. I definitely consider them. They give you a lot for the price and ive not had any problems with them yet. They got great styling, maybe lack some refinement but they get better every year.
Can’t explain it but they just look good. I am in the camp of all the MT-xx and KTM bikes are kinda ugly. Something about them I just hate. They are good bikes I’m sure and I have been seeing them EVERYWHERE in Colorado. These cfmoto bikes look significantly better to me. We all know looks is the most important thing :)
I wouldn't mind buying one due to the price. But I love my Japanese bikes. I've never had any problem with Honda's, Yamaha's, and now Kawaski. Maybe 5 or so years down the road but as of now, I'll have to pass.
In Canada they're 125 is priced the same as Honda - its a no brainer
Great review as always.
CF Moto are not going away, and I fear the biking market will be a very different place in 10 years' time ... 😐
I have a CFMoto SxS (my beloved doesn’t do two wheels but likes some adventure) and it works flawlessly. In fact, one mountain climb had Polaris rigs overheating and mine stayed as cool as a cucumber 🙂
I have owned a 650MT (650 ibex or something called in US) and it was good, no problems with the bike. Sold it because after a few long trips I felt that I'm bit tall for the bike. Now I'm waiting to test the 450MT.
I would not consider a cfmoto bike.
I’ve been riding Japanese bikes for decades, mostly Honda, I’ve never been left stranded by any of them. So why would I switch brands ?
Isn’t it cfmoto that built the engines for the KTM models with major mechanical problems ?
Cams delaminating from poor quality (metalurgy)
You know what’s strange about that though, the motors CFMoto is building for ktm have cam problems, but the CFMoto model using the same engine doesn’t have the cam problem 🤔
450MT definitely on my short list for next bike...these two compare very well to the competition and look good doing it...if CFMoto sells well here, other manufacturers will hopefully respond with products in kind.
Good for the market although I would not buy one yet
Would appreciate if you list the specs in the screen when you verbally list them out to keep things in track. But personally I wouldn't buy a Chinese bike but not in terms of their quality (it's actually pretty good) but for the virtue of it
The clx 700 has had a decent amount of growing pa8ns with tech issues and part supply issues. I think in the next few years they will iron all those out, so I am optimistic.
The warranty looks good on paper but unfortunately most dealerships not only don’t know how to work on them but act like they won’t honor it. I’ve heard some bad stuff from other owners who say CFMoto doesn’t honor their warranties
CFMOTO owner here, never had an issue getting services at my dealership, and thats compared to my Kawasaki dealer, who wouldn't let me test ride the bike, and then pretended I didn't exist once I was out the door.
I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue working on these bikes, full diagrams and maintenance manuals are available online for free from CFMoto.
I was able to demo the CFMOTO, And I can say with 100% certainty that my CFMoto dealership has been more responsive and available, then my Kawasaki dealership by a long shot.
Took two weeks to get services done on my Kawasaki, CFMoto had my bike done in the same afternoon I dropped it off.
I think it's fair to say that warranty and service may vary from dealer to dealer as they try to establish a favorable presence in this market.
I've spent 7,800 miles on my 2022 CFMOTO CL-X 700 Heritage; about 1/3 in the dirt, and about a third of that riding from Florida to Kansas and back.
I camp off it, I've added a skid plate, crash bars, and cargo rack.
It has been completely bulletproof. Every single option has also been bulletproof. I used the cruise control on my road trip to Kansas and back, and I use the eco ride mode when riding off road.
Bang for the buck they are the best there is, the warranty is also double what everyone else offers...
I'm sold, they got a buyer for life in me. The fact my mechanic sold me a bike, is the icing on top.
(Non traditional dealership structure, there was no markup)
does the 700 engine have a 270 crank or is it the same as the kawasaki 650 twin?
@@metalsadman it does not have the 270 crank, but the HOWL when opening the throttle in 'sport' mode is WONDERFUL, and I love the looks of the intakes on the tank sides.
@@metalsadman It's similar to the Kawi 650 but its stroked to 693cc's vs the Kawi
@@nickolaslewis4416 definitely has character!
Just a reminder regarding engine performance…for example, an Aprilia Tuareg produces less than 30hp at 4,000 rpm.
Therefore, it’s generally not necessary to be concerned about a “high horsepower” moto
As of now, I would buy a Japanese bike. The price difference does not warrant the reliability risk associated with using something relatively new over companies that have proven their commitment to quality. As more people buy these and the years of use they too may establish that reputation, just as you alluded to with Hyundai and the stages of growth.
Can't wait for the 450MT to get an in-depth review.
The fact that 450mt costs as much as 450nk only shows that prices of ADV bikes are rigged and this is the reason we couldn't get anything like 450mt sooner. The difference in bill of materials is max $500 between naked and adv bike.
CFMoto will NEVER have a spot in my driveway/garage!
My response to would I buy a CFMoto vs other brands is: Depends on the dealer/support network. In my opinion they are too new and and too sparse on the ground. They appear to be mostly west coast for now. Maybe in a few years when they have an established presence across the U.S.
In the UK CFMOTO have the 2 year warranty and really good selling price. I'm 6ft with long legs, if I fit on one I'll have one to make my commute fun!
Yes I would, but only after a yest ride, I was that not impressed with 800 MT
So I have Transalp
But 459 MT, looking forward to get a ride on that
Simply having bikes available to purchase will go a long way towards taking market share from Yamaha and Honda, two manufacturers who year after year can’t seem to figure out how to meet market demand here in the USA.
I'm excited to get my hands on the 450 MT for testing. Everyone is raving about the 450 motor. Seams like a lot of value with that bike.
Yeah I certainly would, if there was more than ONE dealer in my entire state, 3 hours away from me. But oddly plenty of side-by-side dealers who didn't carry the bikes.
How would the 450 do on the highway? 75-85 mph
I'm sure given the price point there will be a fair amount of adoption. Now the question of reliability is yet to be seen, and the resale market is completely unknown. I'll stick to other brands for the foreseeable future.
CFMoto and other specialty bikes suffer from Tesla effect. Technically excellent products, but inadequate dealers, parts, and accessories. Resale not good. Japanese bikes complete opposite and reliable.
yeah better network support will simply take time.
The 450 MT (the Adventure model) is selling like hot cakes in Australia. Rode one yesterday straight after test riding a Tenere. Pound for pound it is a far better bike end of story. The engine is 4 years old and well proven. Time will tell regarding reliability of the whole package but the reviews are very positive.
What is the average fuel consumption between these two bikes?
Ian, watch out for the CF adventure bike. The rear suspension over a bump threw Everride (a motorcycle reviewer) and busted him up very badly.
Thought he got injured riding his Kove?
On merit alone, id consider it. BUT, for geopolitical reasons no. Working in US engineering, I see more and more offshoring of labor and technology drain so its a hard sell for me.
Yes. Yes i am planning on buying the Ibex450. I wonder if its going to be slightly different for us. As we can tune it higher HP. Also lm thinking like the KTM490Avdenture we had fully adjustable suspension from day 1. Other countries had to wait a couple years. So makes me wonder. Otherwise why change the name? What to match the Ibex 800 name? Could be. Only time will tell. I dont need to go fast, is i ride a DRZ400 everywhere. So looking for something to replace the KTM490 Adventure they killed. The Ibex is way cheaper. Its actually cheaper than a new DRZ400. Which my friend just bought a new hold over from last year. A 2023 DRZ400SM. He paid way more than i will for the Ibex 450. I dont need fancy stuff. But tubeless spoked wheels will be nice to have. Although in 40 years if riding, i have had maybe 7 flat tires. Keep doing what you do. Cant wait to see your thoughts on the Ibex450...aka 450MT
As attractive as the specs and price are the fact that CF Moto is a contract manufacturer for KTM and KTM seems to be the most unreliable major European manufacture. it doesn’t excite me as a brand I would consider purchasing. Also, if Trump wins the presidency tariffs on Chinese goods are going to be through the roof and will probably eliminate the value proposition of this brand.
Better buy one now then. Or before we bait Russia into ww3 to prevent an election
I am not willing to try them, YET, Once they work out the kinks I think they could definitely be a contender.
Looking at there adventura ADV bike like the looks road nice on the test ride just concerned it seemed a bit under powered and if it was capable for the rougher stuff . They wouldnt let me take it in on rougher stuff☹
I would consider a CF Moto but I'm really dogged that my next motorcycle has to have excellent suspension. I love my mt07 to death but the suspension on it has left me really aching for something premium
Yes, esp. the 450MT Ibex Adventure Bike, but ONLY after pricing dealer service price for inspecting / adjusting engine valves. If crazy BS over-priced like Kawasaki Versys 300x then 2022 - 2024 KTM 390 adventure MC gets the nod. Want Adv bike under 400 lbs curb-wet weight including engine / fairing guards & rear rack for soft luggage.
I am seriously considering the IBEX 800
Is the 800 competing with MT-07 and GSX-8S ? Because it has a bit more power.
it seats between the mt07 and mt09 but it's closer to the 9
The headlight design reminds me of the SW Motech logo