I think maximus saying 20 years ago the world fell apart is in reference to is view of the world with Shady Sands and the NCR him being a victim of the nuke that went off there.
Lucy says, “I know about the Great War and the bombs falling and the 320 years of American history before then, I just need help with the last 200 years. After the bombs fell.” Maximus responds, “the bombs fell when I was a kid.” She smirks at him and asks, “Is that what they tell you in your Brotherhood?” He counters, “You’re the one who grew up in a box underground.” From this he doesn’t seem to know that there was a Great War, or at the very least that it happened 219 prior to this moment.
He may know about the bombs 200 years ago, but I think when you mention “the bombs” to someone who was from Shady Sands, that’s the thing they think of, not a thing that happened before their grandparents were even born.
Like WE are very attached to the Great War because it’s part of lore, but I doubt it’s something anyone in universe thinks about all that often because it was as far back to them as the revolutionary war was to us. Do you often think about the revolutionary war in your day to day life, and if someone mentioned “the revolution” as some vague thing you may think of something that happened more recently, especially if you are from a town that less than 25 years ago was destroyed due to a revolution.
It’s also worth mentioning that fallout 2 moved shady sands to be closer to mariposa military base So shady Sands actual location has been inconsistent
It moved west from 1 to 2, but was still in the same general locale. I wouldn't be surprised if it and vaults 13 and 15 were moved so that they fit better on the map.
Also theory for Vault 33’s tatos: They mention having a famine in other episodes. While vault 33 never opened, perhaps Vault 32 did an expedition to get outside crops. Now, the famine is actually fake, but clearly they did shit to make it SEEM real to people, so sending someone out to grab some post-war plants, or even just Lucy’s dad bringing them back when he came back could be the source.
The relocation of Shady Sands is my one big issue with the show. It's the one inconsistency that I can't mental gymnastics my way to some kind of in-universe explanation for. I guess we just have to throw up our hands and accept it for the error it is.
Location does not matter much, as long is in the area where its existance can have the same overall role and effect. As long as that is not changed, changed location can only add more characters who are more connected to new location (not much connected to original location) and participated it all as it happened. Example: people who had important life's work in Shady Sands can be added to existing lore of Shady Sands, without changing it, instead just expanding it, cause truth to be told, we don't know much about Shady Sands (especially before 2161 starting right after nukes in 2077). So adding some of that by changing location, without changing the role of Shady Sands as it was that we already know about (starting from 2261 to about 2281)
@EmKayBass Dude, I didn't say I was mad. Just that it was the thing I disliked most. I loved the show, but that doesn't mean there aren't things I think could have been done better. I am not some Bethesda-hating elitist. I love all the games. Do I wish they hadn't moved Shady Sands? Yes. Am I throwing a tantrum about it? No. If you think that means I'm unworthy to call myself a Fallout fan I really don't know what to tell you.
Everyone seems surprised that Shady Sands was nuked in the TV Show when the player of Fallout: New Vegas gets the option to do this in the Lonesome Road DLC. You can destroy the capital of the NCR, or the capital of the Legion, both capitals, or neither. Obviously the Courier in the TV version of that character decided to destroy the NCR at least.
I think a lot of the stuff in 4 specifically in regards to Power Armor is mostly there for gameplay reasons. Like, I don’t think canonically you are switching out cores every 15 minutes, and if you can’t actually move in it without one instead of the slow, encumbered walk you can do in game.
When looking at Overseer record, we can see that Term is 4yrs, no Term Limit for same person, and 4yr terms date back to 2077 fitting to 2297. What does not fit is Hank elected 2271 (term was 2269-2273), meaning that, when 31 Overseer is gone, they allow Acting Overseer from The Home Vault (as we saw in 33 after Hank was gone), but if next Term/Election is too far ahead, they will push for Extraordinary Election (Midterm). I might be wrong, and there is a different catch.. Also fridge that Max hid in, was visibly in outer edge blast radius, so Max (or who ever hid him) knew about inbound and when and where will hit? Or knew about location of the bomb already on the ground and timer ticking? (everyone mentiones Indiana Jones, but fail to remember he hid in the fridge cause he knew, while if surprised would in 99% cases have less than 5sec to react), so is the Show telling us something? Was it a nuke and if, who knew about it then, or Max maybe hid from different type explosions connected to BoS being there?? Shady Sands might've been moved to LA proper cause some characters had their entire life's work in LA (as Moldaver, who is actually surmame Williams and her entire Research and Tech Company there), other than that what they might see as important for the story, regarding the rest they could've easily made it all original location and area (show was filmed in State of NY, Utah and Namibia, not in California) without affecting it.
I do think the overseers usually serve four years, based on the multiple of four term lengths, but keep in mind that overseers might die, or retire, so they probably won’t follow the same 4 year schedule over the centuries. As for the home rule post Hank, that was the Vault Council that coexisted with his control. They appear to have had some power during his tenure, and simply took up the slack temporarily until Betty was elected. When it comes to Maximus in the fridge, I think that’s simply to be taken as a reference to Indiana Jones, or Billy (the kid in the fridge in Quincy). I don’t know if we should take that as 100% canonical. For one thing, the rear of the fridge is fairly open with that fan, and for another, I doubt it really would have provided him with much protection in the case of a nuclear blast (especially with later recollections of how far off the heat was felt). The show runners may have moved Shady Sands to place it closer to moldaver’s area, but its original history put it far outside LA, and significantly, near Vaults 13 and 15 (15 being the source of many of its inhabitants). Its distance from LA granted it, and Vaults 13, some safety from the Master.
@@IrresoluteCartographer They likely allow someone from Home Vault to take over as Acting Overseer just for the sake of appearances, but as seen, always few 31s in each Vault, one of them Council memeber, making sure they keep control properly. Max fridge was "Indiana Jones" moment, that is the point: Indiana Jones hid cause he knew about the bomb (otherwise would not have enough time to react). That ventilator openining is something they could've easily gone without, but put it there as distraction. It pokes people's eyes, making the most fail to notice and connect other stuff. Yeah, they likely moved it cause TV characters are connected to LA. Still, as long it is just location that is changed, while the rest overall keep its meaning, it is ok 🤷
I think Maximus just said Fiend because he wanted to sound like a "man" in front of the pretty girl. One thing I think the show did on purpose that we do in the games is make female player characters (represented by Lucy) far to pretty to actually exist in this world. Maximus does and says a lot clearly because he's met the only physically attractive female in the wasteland. I don't think we can overlook that.
I think maximus saying 20 years ago the world fell apart is in reference to is view of the world with Shady Sands and the NCR him being a victim of the nuke that went off there.
Lucy says, “I know about the Great War and the bombs falling and the 320 years of American history before then, I just need help with the last 200 years. After the bombs fell.” Maximus responds, “the bombs fell when I was a kid.” She smirks at him and asks, “Is that what they tell you in your Brotherhood?” He counters, “You’re the one who grew up in a box underground.” From this he doesn’t seem to know that there was a Great War, or at the very least that it happened 219 prior to this moment.
He may know about the bombs 200 years ago, but I think when you mention “the bombs” to someone who was from Shady Sands, that’s the thing they think of, not a thing that happened before their grandparents were even born.
Like WE are very attached to the Great War because it’s part of lore, but I doubt it’s something anyone in universe thinks about all that often because it was as far back to them as the revolutionary war was to us. Do you often think about the revolutionary war in your day to day life, and if someone mentioned “the revolution” as some vague thing you may think of something that happened more recently, especially if you are from a town that less than 25 years ago was destroyed due to a revolution.
Cleaning up the vault in a day is just good management
It’s also worth mentioning that fallout 2 moved shady sands to be closer to mariposa military base
So shady Sands actual location has been inconsistent
It moved west from 1 to 2, but was still in the same general locale. I wouldn't be surprised if it and vaults 13 and 15 were moved so that they fit better on the map.
Also theory for Vault 33’s tatos: They mention having a famine in other episodes. While vault 33 never opened, perhaps Vault 32 did an expedition to get outside crops. Now, the famine is actually fake, but clearly they did shit to make it SEEM real to people, so sending someone out to grab some post-war plants, or even just Lucy’s dad bringing them back when he came back could be the source.
The relocation of Shady Sands is my one big issue with the show. It's the one inconsistency that I can't mental gymnastics my way to some kind of in-universe explanation for. I guess we just have to throw up our hands and accept it for the error it is.
Location does not matter much, as long is in the area where its existance can have the same overall role and effect. As long as that is not changed, changed location can only add more characters who are more connected to new location (not much connected to original location) and participated it all as it happened. Example: people who had important life's work in Shady Sands can be added to existing lore of Shady Sands, without changing it, instead just expanding it, cause truth to be told, we don't know much about Shady Sands (especially before 2161 starting right after nukes in 2077). So adding some of that by changing location, without changing the role of Shady Sands as it was that we already know about (starting from 2261 to about 2281)
@EmKayBass Dude, I didn't say I was mad. Just that it was the thing I disliked most. I loved the show, but that doesn't mean there aren't things I think could have been done better.
I am not some Bethesda-hating elitist. I love all the games. Do I wish they hadn't moved Shady Sands? Yes. Am I throwing a tantrum about it? No. If you think that means I'm unworthy to call myself a Fallout fan I really don't know what to tell you.
Everyone seems surprised that Shady Sands was nuked in the TV Show when the player of Fallout: New Vegas gets the option to do this in the Lonesome Road DLC. You can destroy the capital of the NCR, or the capital of the Legion, both capitals, or neither. Obviously the Courier in the TV version of that character decided to destroy the NCR at least.
Not to spoil anything if you haven’t seen it, but it wasn’t the Courier.
Been looking forward to this!
I think a lot of the stuff in 4 specifically in regards to Power Armor is mostly there for gameplay reasons. Like, I don’t think canonically you are switching out cores every 15 minutes, and if you can’t actually move in it without one instead of the slow, encumbered walk you can do in game.
When looking at Overseer record, we can see that Term is 4yrs, no Term Limit for same person, and 4yr terms date back to 2077 fitting to 2297. What does not fit is Hank elected 2271 (term was 2269-2273), meaning that, when 31 Overseer is gone, they allow Acting Overseer from The Home Vault (as we saw in 33 after Hank was gone), but if next Term/Election is too far ahead, they will push for Extraordinary Election (Midterm). I might be wrong, and there is a different catch..
Also fridge that Max hid in, was visibly in outer edge blast radius, so Max (or who ever hid him) knew about inbound and when and where will hit? Or knew about location of the bomb already on the ground and timer ticking? (everyone mentiones Indiana Jones, but fail to remember he hid in the fridge cause he knew, while if surprised would in 99% cases have less than 5sec to react), so is the Show telling us something? Was it a nuke and if, who knew about it then, or Max maybe hid from different type explosions connected to BoS being there??
Shady Sands might've been moved to LA proper cause some characters had their entire life's work in LA (as Moldaver, who is actually surmame Williams and her entire Research and Tech Company there), other than that what they might see as important for the story, regarding the rest they could've easily made it all original location and area (show was filmed in State of NY, Utah and Namibia, not in California) without affecting it.
I do think the overseers usually serve four years, based on the multiple of four term lengths, but keep in mind that overseers might die, or retire, so they probably won’t follow the same 4 year schedule over the centuries. As for the home rule post Hank, that was the Vault Council that coexisted with his control. They appear to have had some power during his tenure, and simply took up the slack temporarily until Betty was elected.
When it comes to Maximus in the fridge, I think that’s simply to be taken as a reference to Indiana Jones, or Billy (the kid in the fridge in Quincy). I don’t know if we should take that as 100% canonical. For one thing, the rear of the fridge is fairly open with that fan, and for another, I doubt it really would have provided him with much protection in the case of a nuclear blast (especially with later recollections of how far off the heat was felt).
The show runners may have moved Shady Sands to place it closer to moldaver’s area, but its original history put it far outside LA, and significantly, near Vaults 13 and 15 (15 being the source of many of its inhabitants). Its distance from LA granted it, and Vaults 13, some safety from the Master.
@@IrresoluteCartographer They likely allow someone from Home Vault to take over as Acting Overseer just for the sake of appearances, but as seen, always few 31s in each Vault, one of them Council memeber, making sure they keep control properly.
Max fridge was "Indiana Jones" moment, that is the point: Indiana Jones hid cause he knew about the bomb (otherwise would not have enough time to react). That ventilator openining is something they could've easily gone without, but put it there as distraction. It pokes people's eyes, making the most fail to notice and connect other stuff.
Yeah, they likely moved it cause TV characters are connected to LA. Still, as long it is just location that is changed, while the rest overall keep its meaning, it is ok 🤷
These are awesome. Thank you.
I think Maximus just said Fiend because he wanted to sound like a "man" in front of the pretty girl. One thing I think the show did on purpose that we do in the games is make female player characters (represented by Lucy) far to pretty to actually exist in this world. Maximus does and says a lot clearly because he's met the only physically attractive female in the wasteland. I don't think we can overlook that.
Haha, I like this theory