Can Destiny's Guardians Beat the Space Marines of Warhammer 40k?
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- Опубліковано 3 лют 2024
- We put it to the test. Most things like Star Wars, Mass Effect, Halo or Gears of War lose to Warhammer 40k without issue. But Destiny's Guardians... bearers of the Light, I think they have a chance.
(For legal reasons no Carmines were killed in the making of this video).
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Cast your vote! Guardians or Space Marines?
THE Guardian.
@@schols0619 well if it’s me playing, they last about… six minutes?
@@Buster-McTunder Hahaha
Guardians.
@@Buster-McTunder yo can you do Zerg vs tyranids.
The problem with this comparison is that if you told your average guardian that they had to a farm space marines for a god roll bolter, they would hunt them down to extinction like we did with the ahamkara.
Subsistance and rampage on a bolter would go CRAZY
@@flagondragon1854 lol
Kinda sad how true it is
here before we turn the emperor into a lament reskin
@@TimothyMark7 guardians all over the globe would be fighting for boss checkpoints for a chance to grab the "Gilded God" shader
- -Could the vanguard survive in 40k-
- Could the chaos gods survive being raided by guardians?
More eldritch beings that exist on a plane made of thoughts, feelings, and ideas. Beings so powerful it's very likely we can bind that power into a weapon we can test on each other!?
Say less.
Did someone say new guns?
@@overdoseentertainment7862 hey guys look at this new sword I got after farming KHORNE for 12 years
@@overdoseentertainment7862GIMME THEM GOD ROLLS BABY WOOOOOOH
HE-HELL NAW‼️
I imagine a guardian fighting a space marine thinking "wow this colossus is really fast huh"
Until the guardian goes as fast as light.
@@Joemama-xw2wy and sends so much random bullshit downrange you'd have to exit the solar system in order to dodge it
A regular cabal soldier is roughly analogous to a standard space marine… cabal colossus is more akin to a space marine using terminator armor.
Now with pristamtic subclass
@@ebenitez2011 that is completely incorrect my dude space marines are faster and stronger plus their weapons are more powerful basically a single space marine would wipe the floor with an entire cabal legion
space marine: prepare to die
guardian:
+radiant
+reconstruction
+bait and switch
+armor charge
+solar weapon boost +4
+super ready
a tether, well of radiance, and a celestial night hawk
and thats just gameplay guardians. the lore accurate guardians go crazy
Guardian: "No u."
That combo would immediately kill upwards of 6 marines, given that enemies in a tether share damage taken
@@themadwarden6603 at least. and any somewhat powerful guardian can use abilities and supers from other classes, so a competent guardian would easily follow it up with a novabomb or a thundercrash
+Gjally & Tractor Cannon Debuff
Lore entry of the Graviton Lance
I don't think anything else needs to be said
Think of space-time as a tapestry on a loom. This weapon is the needle.
"So wait, that thing you found does… what?"
"It fires black holes."
"No it doesn't."
"Oh yeah. It does. Actual, tiny, bullet-sized black holes."
"Did you tell the others?"
"Only that I found some weird gun in some overgrown tunnel back on Old Chicago. And that my Ghost was all, "THIS is why we were led here…'"
"Yours talks that way too?"
"What do you think?"
"OK, OK, but the gun-are you going to tell them?"
"Yeah, definitely."
"When?"
"Crucible."
"Oh no."
"Oh, yes."
This is what we guardians also do, test weapons we just got on live targets. guardians if you want better feedback.
@@Hoodagames Space Marines also have weapons that fire literal Fusion fire and weapons that alter the Gravity of a local location, some chapters also have warp based weapons (yes, even outside the Grey Knights) and rarer weapons that can rival anything in Destiny are known in 40K (they are rare, but they exist)
@Keemperor40K oh no I wasn't trying to argue that, I was saying that the lore tab the guardian in question is going to use the weapon on other guardians as a way to test it. I wasn't saying that it was an advantage for destiny, srry if it came out as one
@@Hoodagames Guardians running into the Warp to casually test out builds
@Keemperor40K
Yes, but a Guardian can survive a Black Hole where as a Space Marine can't. Also, Guardians don't need weapons to wield blackholes; they do it innately when using the power of Void. When it comes down to it, Guardians don't even need weapons, they just collect them because it's fun. A Guardians Paracausality allows them to defeat technologically advanced enemies such as the Vex who I think is also capable of defeating the Space Marines considering they had the ability to manipulate time withing the 'Vault of Glass' and possess planetary sized prediction engines that enables them to simulate and alter the future before it happens.
Not to mention, the Graviton Lance isn't even considered as being some massive rare, super weapon. It's just a simple 'Exotic Rifle' that every Guardian could wield in battle. It's not even a Raid Weapon.
"8 minute cool down supers" meanwhile the bubble titans, headshot golden guns, and teather hunters are making enough orbs of light to revive the traveler 3 times over.
5 star eater hunters on golden gun with one well lock is all they need for infite super chaining for the entire population
Also ikora. Literally ikora. In, like, basically any cutscene.
I mean in lore there are no cooldown and abilities are not locked to 1 class, there are just restrictions for balancing
@@axt_4254came here to say this. Back in the opening mission of Red War, ikora rey throws two nova bombs in the span of 11 seconds.
he was forced to play trials against 3 bubble titans: 😢
Didn't gaurdians hunt a race of planet sized interdeminsional wish granting dragons to extinction ........(edit) Yes, planet size is correct ahamkara shape-shift they look like dragons cause they like it riven is a small ahamkara her power came from being taken
Yep, The Great Hunt. Also known as 'These things are bad. SO LETS MASSACRE THE NIGH OMNIPOTENT SPACE LIZARDS! WOO!"
We needed the god roll
guardians also fight the cabal every day, with the cabal suffering HUNDREDS of casualties just to temporarly kill a single guardian
the cabal's main troops are 10ft tall and wear power armor, they're basically space marines without being as fast
Saint-14 survived literally thousands of years fighting the vex with his old shotgun and fists, managed to make emotionless robots feel respect
@@qwerty0047 saint also solo'd what was left of the big fallen houses, he basically caused a second collapse for them in a matter of months
Take all that power scaling you just mentioned, and remember that Crota slew 1,000 Guardians in the Great Disaster. Then we came back, killed him, his sisters, his father Oryx, his aunt Savathun, and his other aunt Xivu Arath is next on the chopping block.
In fact, we beat Oryx so bad he gave us instructions on how to turn into a gun so he could be wielded by the one whose power was greater than his, and thereby understand that power.
Let’s see we killed Crota, killed his daughter Hashladun, his father Oryx, his brother Nokris, his sisters Ir Anûk and Ir Halak, his cousins Malok and Dûl Incaru (she’s got it the worst thought never ending death because of the dreaming city) and his mother (crota’s aunt, maloks mum) Savathun though she is back and we basically kicked Xivu Arath out of her home and made her homeless… am I missing anyone else? Oh and the pet Quria can’t forget that blade transform.
Edit: Xol too and turned him into a gun
I can't remember which one, but we killed one of Hashladun's sisters in shadowkeep's "in the deep" mission. Additionally we killed their mother Omnigul back in the dark below
Additionally, we killed oryx's entire court, and crotas deathsinger, Ir Yut. Though their has been minimal evidence that she may have had her own throne world, and still be alive
@@themadwarden6603 wait…. Was that the deathbringer mission?
@@DragonKnight90001 no it's the one where we get the cryptolith from the catacombs in the main campaign
Who can win??
Genetically altered super soldiers so beyond human form that they’re considered a different species, awed by the citizens as the angels of the emperor and bowed before by even the highest ranking mortals, armed with the imperiums finest and greats weapons and armor.
-a god who blows himself up with a rocket launcher made of an even more powerful Eldritch God because he and his two god friends think it’s funny
A god who's best form of ground transportation is to launch himself repeatedly by swinging a sword
The "dancing little gremlins" who dances and jump off the tower causing a "watch out for falling bodies" to be placed at the bottom of the tower
- Eager Edge intensifies- @@Jet-ij9zc
You forgot the forbidden ankle high water in grasp
Thunder crash mains go crazy
When the Chaos Gods find out that Guardians can turn gods into guns they will shit themselves
We're gonna turn khorne into an exotic sword
@@flagondragon1854i was thinking something more like an axe… a chain axe, maybe?
Tzeentch would probably try to hatch some scheme to turn the Emperor into a Sword and then have someone steal it/hide it or something. Would probably backfire though.
@@LordProteus we'd turn him into an exotic trace rifle
@@LordProteusMost likely not since warlocks are comparable to psions when it comes to mental fortitude and potency.
Saint-14 exists, he farmed a hive god.
He made single-minded species of robots without emotions respect him
@@cartho1103 technically not robots but I agree
Like, last season at that. Lol.
He’s the equivalent of the DOOM Slayer for not one but TWO species.
more like spawn killed but yea samething
Titan: *picks up bullter* "yeesh this things got some heft"
Marine: NO LITTLE CRAYON EATER DO NOT FIRE THAT!!!! IT WILL DESTROY EVERY BONE IN YOUR BODY!!!
Titan: *full auto* *mag is empty*
"Eh not the roll I wanted"
god damn this is a good roll but it doesnt have 5 out of 5 roll i want
DISCARDED
"This looks cool"
*Picks laz-lock and fires it once*
"Damn... This is the shittiest scout rifle I ever used"
Is this a reference to the fact that destiny hand cannons are such an absurdly high caliber they don’t exist and should blow your hand off instantly?
@@flame8786yes 😂
"losing a hand is a flesh wound" for the space marines. "losing ones life is a flesh wound" for the guardians lol
But look how easy it is to kill the Ghost. Without their Ghost, a Guardian becomes Mortal. Was it Osiris that lost his connection to the Traveller and now is Mortal.
Look how easy and fast it was to take down Cayde 6. The Cabal were able to even "Kill" the Traveler.
In the End..The Emperor of Mankind and the Traveler are the SAME being.
@@thisisthebeginning4425Osiris’ ghost Sagira had to sacrifice herself to stop the Hive from killing Osiris and turning his death into raw power. The bullet that killed Cayde’s ghost was made from paracausal materials and the Vanguard found in their investigations that the Scorned exhausted almost all of their resources to make that single bullet. There are a few obscure lore entries from the enemies of humanity talking about how no amount conventional fire power or energy weaponry short of Hive magic or Vex time fuckery could kill a ghost. I believe the only thing that the Imperium has that would pose a threat to the ghosts would be the librarians and grey knights with their powerful psionics or the few weapons they have that are capable of permanently slaying perpetuals. The Mechanicus might be able to pose a threat if they got a hold of the Cabals miniaturized light containment tech, but knowing them, they would probably call it heretical on the principle of it being made by aliens and destroy it.
@@thisisthebeginning4425not really there ghost don’t have to be close to them to res them, just keep them off the battle field. They are also incredibly fast. A guardian does not require a ghost either as anyone who can use darkness such as Osiris are still quite capable in a fight.
IoM once again proving their greatest enemy and folly to be themselves lmao.
@@ThedeadMapleoak the ignorance is supposed to start and stop with the book pages. But these clowns taking the wrong lessons to heart lmao
I'm having much more fun imagining a fireteam of Chaos Prismatic Guardians absolutely ruining entire planets.
... Who tell him?
A titan of Khorne would make Kharne the Betrayer's kill count look like a minor car accident.
And i dont even wanna know what mess a slannesh devoted hunter or a tzeentchian warlock would make. Them greater demons make excelent armor i heard...
@@roguedruidthe thing here is that if you join to any god of chaos just to get powerful they eat your soul so ye, you wouldn’t be that titan because 5 demons will be the ones controlling your body now
Oh? Try nurgle hunters. Member' Thorn and his little brother?
All you need for the guardians to wreck 40k universe is by telling them
" New guns and new exotic there "
accurate
same with the US and oil
And none of it would be sunset
If you say new subclass that planet is gone😂😂
You can just hear the impending tidal wave of guardians approaching in the background.
The literal war or to say it better..the "hunt" against the Ahmkara can make you realize how guardians can adapt to anything
You had me at "they turn gods into guns" for the gaurdians
clearly you have not read anything from 40k where the grey go unarmed into the lateral hell for training and come back. the only thing the guardians have over the space marines is the ability to not die.
@@igbinosunericthey can die, it's just temporary.
@@beepbeep9967 semi immortal if the ghost is gone
@@fernosbonos5394If.
@@igbinosunericthis spave marines vs guardians not grey knights vs guardians, theyre not the same
The Space Marines after I pull out my real build (the previous 50 sidearm kills were just for a bounty): 😨
Another thing about Guardians is the "8 minutes for super cooldown".
That's simply a gameplay mechanic. Well experienced and trained Guardians can cast their supers as they need. Ikora has switched subclasses mid-fight too. And now Guardians are acquiring the ability to kitbash their elements together with Prismatic?
haha....lol.
The new sub class is how it always worked in lore.
Actually, scratch that. The new subclass is worse than how it works in lore.
In lore guardian can use any super or abilities from any classes or subclass. But they need to learn those skills. So most guardians (besides warlock) only know one or two subclass.
@@Jet-ij9zc Prismatic is the cross between Light and Dark powers. Not just Light and Light powers.
Guardians aren't actually tied to a single element or subclass,
Ability cooldows are also different between guardians, for example Ikora consistently chains 2 void supers. Cayde's supers are on a 50 second cool down, and so are Zavalas. Saint-14 can *literally* keep a bubble up forever. Shaxx used a solar hammer as a campfire while using striker abilities against Felwinter.
Osiris... Osiris has: thrown chain lightning after blinking, instantly cast dawnblade, then immediately transition into chaos reach. Also he could clone himself.
@@Jet-ij9zcGuardians are able to mishmash different subsets of Light in lore. Prismatic guardians are able to fully weave and integrate both the Light and the Dark.
Not to mention, 8 minutes? Someone clearly hasn't tried Orpheus Rig or Pheonix Protocol.
Space marine: **Uses chain sword to cut a Guardian in half** the Titan, who stood right back up: **equips Lament** “MINES BIGGER!”
Underrated comment 😂
Only the Chain sword of Rogal dorn is as Big as the Lament.
"hopefully equal distribution of hunters, warlocks and titans.
Meanwhile, me, only warlock with 5 hunters
And you're running Well. Lmao. 😂😂
Born to Nova Forced to Well
that's better when i, a titan main, run with 4 other titans and a hunter in a raid
Most of the player base are hunters warlocks are the smallest portion of the playerbase
@Freedm762 everytime I'm in a raid I get three titans and another hunter besides myself and or a warlock
Something to note is that guardians aren't super soldiers technically, by all means they are gods. And not in the same aspect as primarchs are seen as the sons of God in 40k, no they are all literal walking gods.
My favorite lore moment is still that time where a titan punched a mountain and made it move.
So you saying I can turn a guardian into an exotic
@@lachydragneel pretty sure that’s already happening in the lore of destiny
@@flyntnock7945yes, that’s what the Xenophage is
@@lachydragneelisn’t that what Thorn is fueled by?
@@dannyyoroi1955 not exactly.
The Thorn is made out by Hive Magic.
A Real Hand Cannon fused with a Hive Bone.
What the Thorn does is drain The Light of other Lightbearers, is not made out of Light.
In any case that would be Lumina which is the opposite to the Thorn.
Tbh, if you’d include the gods a Guardian has killed, Aetheon, Crota, Oryx, SIVA, Ghaul, Calus, Pantheon, Xol, Nokris, the Scorn Barons, Riven of a Thousand Voices, Ghalran, Sanctified Mind, Taniks (THE REVIVING RAT), Savathûn, Rhulk, Nezerec and (soon) the Witness, things would get pretty unfair
(edit) holy shit, 214 likes? This.. might be my must liked comment ever, thank you lot really ^^
You mean panoptes?
@@leschroder7773 yeah, that vex boss, I forgot it's name
Not to mention we haven't seen any actual vex "gods" aetheon was the equivalent to a construction Forman the wyverns are the only military units we've seen soooo it could get really crazy when we shift back to the vex
you forgot the Undying Mind and a lot of other vex. and all of the other children of Oryx
@@poseidenforceccj2528 ah, thanks for reminding me!
You guys need to know that humans in Destiny arnt standard humans. They were enhanced by the traveler. Triple lifespan, robust lungs(just look at where they settle in the golden age), enhanced strength.
Idk about enhanced strenght but the rest is true. Amanda Holliday looked like 25-35, but she was arround 80-90 when she died, and her shotgun, which has absolutely no magic enhancement, took out an average guardian with one bullet.
Destiny average weaponry may be way better than it looks. Hand cannons are the size of your forearm and are used as a revolver
@@diegocj02I keep forgetting about the life span being tripled
@@diegocj02 I mean considering it knows when it gets a kill and gets stronger after said kill, I don't think its a normal weapon lol
@@diegocj02SHE WAS A GRANNY ????? I REALLY DIDNT KNOW THAT
@@diegocj02 I mean, she casually uses thay shotgun which, realistically, would have a hell of a kick with ease, so strength enhancement isn't out of the question. Also, engineers usually get optical implants that let them weld without a welding hood to shield their eyes.
1 Million Space Marines: You can't beat us.
me and 50% of the player base who play casually: I know... But they can.
The other 50% of players who only do Solo Flawless grandmaster Nightfall, Trials of Osiris, and legends Onslaught: Hi there :)
Even i would shit my pants seeing theme even being a guardian
*can't
When the Solo Reckoner arrives. (ME)
Space marines have those players too, they are called named Ultra Marines.
@@mersinaryboy I think the guy from boltgun can take down all of chaos lol.
A month old but, something that was overlooked was just how powerful the taken and vex are, both of which were done dirty in Lore. The vex have complete control over time and and reality, often rewriting the very rules of reality (in a localized instance) to suit their needs. This is only beaten by Guardians and powerful Hive being paracausal and thus unable to be properly simulated against.
The taken work in a similar manner, stealing anyone and bringing them to a pocket dimension where they are corrupted, either through breaking their will or physically and mentally changing them to suit the needs of the taken. Time flows differently within that dimension as well, where someone could be taken and spit back out seconds later, only for them to have spent millenia within the taken realm.
Also, guardians only have cooldowns on their supers for game balance reasons, as there are several lore entries of guardians casting multiple and even different supers back to back repeatedly. Another fact that may or may not be canon anymore is that it is heavily implied that supers are often toned down versions of their true potential as things like Nova Bombs can easily destroy a planet if given enough power and the individual guardian willed it.
Point being Destiny has some absolutely wacko shit happening, even by 40K standards. 40K has numbers and some genuinely impressive feats, but while 40k would put up a good fight, I think unless the Warp or any other faction has counters to paracausal weapons, powers and characters. Destiny as a universe wins against 40k.
Though it would be fun to have a 40K raid boss vs some named space marines or a chapter master.
I now want a WH40K raid boss. I want to fight a Chaos God.
Facts. They need them in cutscenes and I’m game but the grimor cards have some crazy feats for guardians. Also vex solo wh40k (along with hive/taken potentially)
Yeah, put a room of Space Marines up against Ikora Rey, a 5th Sigma Class Guardian, and she’ll look at them and say “I’m not stuck in here with you, you’re stuck in here with me.”
Ikora literally used two nova-bombs back to back in the Red War, used a Nova Bomb and then followed it immediately with a Nova Warp, and used a Nova Bomb and immediately followed it with Chaos Reach. She’s been recorded in the lore as being in the “Upper 99th Percentile” of guardians that had their power assessed, something only 10 other guardians have ever done, and making her one of the most powerful guardians to have ever existed.
You put a Space Marine up against that and they’re toast. There is no competition.
@@theallsight7076 Guardians would take one look at Khorne and be like "OOOH you'd make a shiny new sword"
I think Celestial night hawk has cayde saying he can't use his super again since he just used it on the fallen outside a cave
Edit not night hawk but some hunter exotic has that
Space Marines running 75mph watching as a I shatter Skate over there heads. (my momentum only stops when I become paste against a brick wall)
and then get back up from being paste
Crota lore wise opened a Grand Canyon on the lunar surface with a swing of his sword. Guardians every week gather beneath his ball sack, whip out their blades and cut him to ribbons for loot in a matter of minutes lol.
Something to keep in mind is ghosts make new guardians via the dead, and that ain’t picky with the species (hive for example) so theoretically, a marine could become a guardian and fight for the light as 95% of guardians have their memory wiped upon becoming one.
Edit: some things I was corrected on/ things suggested.
1. Guardians do not keep their memory at all, some of them just find out who they were. Notable examples include, Anna Bray and Savathun.
2. We can go further with the corpses. Primarchs are 1000% available, Malcadore, Big E if he actually dies, custodians, xenos like the Eldar, Orks, and so many more I’m probably forgetting right now. It can get so bad that marines might have to do another go around to get the bodies and burn them. Don’t forget hive cities becoming a threat and a guardian breeding ground.
Even that 5% does raise the possibility of the psycho indoctrination resurfacing in a small extent... Potentially causing complications.
This is also an incredible idea.
Maybe...but I doubt because space marines recover their dead, so to retrieve the gene seed. So if a ghost somehow got a space marine as a host... 1) nerfed marine [space marine with gene seed and wielding light would be a slightly powerful custodi...maybe primarch) and 2) that ghost is going to be captured and toyed by the mechanicus because that ghost has to infiltrate a dreadnought or chapter frigate
@@ryanmann9842 they can’t capture a ghost. Ghosts can disappear into the immaterial.
I agree with you that if it did happen a Revived Space Marine would probably instantly get in a fight with his brothers who came to get the body.
@Buster-McTunder hold on there. If ghost operates quantum or paracausally...I would likely guess that the ghost would just switch between the warp or physical worlds. Jesus christ...imagine all the guardians ghost running for their lives from either space marine bolters or chaos marine/daemon charges
Only conditional if both universes are equally converged into one...then would their be chaos guardians?
Imperium: *Ships that could destroy solar systems*
Traveler: That's cute
The thing is the traveler is benevolent If the mechanicus found her It could potentially start up a second golden age
@spartanx9293 Honestly if the Traveler showed up during the unification wars the Mechanicus would look more like a more organized and industrial Vanguard from Destiny, and technology equalling their DAoT.
Slannesh: And your cute too...
@XSilver_WaterX Not really the God's can only affect his surroundings, the ONLY one who can affect him is the Darkness as they are 2 sides of the same coin. So, at best, Slaanesh can move him, but at that point, she just placed a very missed Emperor level god in the warp with her, who is willing to vaporize people for interrupting his nap. So yeah, Slaanesh has essentially placed herself before a loaded gun at that point that is capable of killing her as the Traveler ignores cause and effect.
@@Mike-bf2bethe Traveler is always referred to as a she when gendered pronouns are used, but yes, the Traveler is paracausal, that's the whole thing is the Traveler and whatever being it is/is behind it is at least 5th dimensional
I could see every Titan player having the time of their lives fighting Khorne and his demons
*Cackles in Titan main*
*Cackles in Berserker Main*
Crayons 4 life my guy
Consume a twelve pack of crayons and turn myself into an ICBM
Best part is, only a few of them would actually be angry so Khorne wouldn't even get anything out of it.
@@jadedsilverlining9427 True, Titan's would be laughing and having the time of their lives.
Guardians can fight like hell but only after clearing out their postmaster
Btw, Lore line from Osiris
A level 1 guardian is on the same level as a max level guardian. It's all about knowledge and skill.
And loot.
Our hot wheels Walmart Jesus Rylee reloaded has beaten several campaigns with just white gear so I don't even think loot matters just knowledge on how to use it tbh
@@flagondragon1854 wait, don't you need high enough light lvls to even do damage to higher level enemies? And isn't it impossible to upgrade white gear?
@@Matthew_Y yes but he's done it
@@Matthew_Yyea but gameplay and lore/dialogue from characters tend to differ a lot
Titans can move mountains, beat 800 pound space rhinoes to death with a few punches, have superhuman reflexes, and can manipulate probabiliy to make bullets they fire hit harder, and bullets that hit them not exist. That is all before supers. I am a fan of the lore of both 40k and Destiny, but a titan would wreak a space marine, hell even multiple, with some effort.
And then you bring space magic and then the ghosts become sludge
@@stephen19590 Aside from their Psykers, does the Imperium dabble much in space magic?
Because the Guardians have dealt with Psions, which are essentially an entire race of psykers that have far more control of their abilities than most Terran Psykers, to the point where the most powerful psions, the flayers, can have the power to move entire moons. And even with regular Psions present, the Cabal tend to resort to orbital and artillery strikes to try to kill Ghosts, implying it takes far more firepower than their standard infantry can muster to kill a Ghost-and their slug rifles are at least in the ballpark to a Bolter.
So a standard Space Marine probably can't kill a Ghost, meaning the Guardian is just going to keep getting back up.
And sure, if it stayed as a long-range gun fight, the SM could probably last a good while against the average Guardian.
But then they suddenly lob a grenade and he's frozen in place at absolute-zero, or suspended in the air by strings of psionic energy, or void energy is trying to atomize him, or solar energy is threatening to cause him to combust from the inside out, or his body is being wracked with a shitload of magical lightning.
Or they whip out one of the 100+ exotic weapons, many of which don't particularly care about how thick your armor is, and blow holes the size of dinner plates through him.
Or they equip a sword and block most of his shots as they approach on foot.
Yes, the SM's are faster, their guns hit VERY hard and they'd probably win a fistfight(unless the Guardian had a melee ability up), but the Guardians are implacable and relentless. And if there's a FIRETEAM of Guardians? Forget about it. They're gonna be doing an impromptu dance party over the probably-mostly-atomized corpses of a dozen or so SM's after a couple minutes.
@@perrycarters3113 the codex astartes list some universal spells that any space marine chapter can use but there are spells exclusive to some chapters the imperium also houses psykers of various power levels with the most power being alpha plus level An Alpha Plus grade psyker, however, is a being of almost grotesque power. They are described as being able to "turn a man inside-out with a glance," "snap a Battle titan in half with a flick of the wrist," and "a muttered syllable can turn an army upon itself in a frenzy of blood lust." They are capable of destroying entire worlds -- sometimes unintentionally. From the wiki then there is the pariahs or psychic blanks who are immune/destroy warp magic from just them being in the vicinity with psykers describing being in the presence of a blank being excruciatingly painful this pain being even more unbearable the more powerful the psyker is or the more psychically inclined/sensitive a species is with the eldar describing them as pure evil
@@perrycarters3113 oh I refer to space magic as the warp stuff
@@perrycarters3113 but there are chaos space marines that can mutate and deform, let's not forget the fact that they wouldn't have a means to travel between worlds but that's not what's being debated. The average power sword cuts on a molecular level, with force weapons of psykers basically going "die forever" then you have the vindicare assassins with anti shield rounds.
Psykers can reshape reality if they choose. From crushing rocks with a hand gesture to stabbing, sucking them mutilating someone's mind. I don't know how far the ghosts regen goes. But a literal stealing of "shit 2k years of service and my capacity to think with words are gone" like guardians are defenders of humanity...but in 40k there's way worse than the darkness, just ask the Tyranids who would eat the body of a guardian or even a potential ghost and suddenly you have any guardian monsters. Then you have the necrons one of which will just kidnap a ghost and guardian.forever.
Then you have Orks...which would give the guardians an equally eternal fight just from numbers...
Tldr...they might beat space marines, they won't beat the universe they are from
I think one bit that you missed is that the 6-8 minute cooldown for supers is non-canon. There are examples in game (cutscenes) of ikora teleporting in, chucking a nova bomb, then using chaos reach within 15 seconds of each other. -The guardian- is a literal infinite well of light that's held back by game design and balance.
Tell them the Emperor gives them the most OP gun in the game and they will raze.
If the imperium ever found the guardians I honestly think they would do pretty much anything in their power to appease them just to get them on their side. Because they just found a world of basically humans with millions of people who on average are more powerful than a space marine, can resurrect on death and can use chaos-free psyker powers. Honestly, the biggest hangup for the imperium would probably be the exos, although if they are properly explained those might even be a non-issue.
But they have a non-Emperor God
@@Buster-McTunder last time I checked the guardians don't actually worship the traveler. They view it as a protector and savior of humanity, but they don't view it as their God.
It depends. Some do, others don't. But either way it definitely acts as a God-like figure for the non-Guardian figures. It's changed since the Speaker saw the Traveler as a type of deity, but with his death I'm unsure how many other Guardians remain in his way of thinking. But I'll give you that like the Promethean Cult or the Mechanicus it might just be good enough to pass, or they could be good enough allies better alive than dead. The Awoken Guardians would have to go moreso than Exos though. @@deadsignal7723
@@Buster-McTunder I think they would have more of an issue with the Exo because they're sentient machines and the imperium says that's a no-go. They might still be human passing because their AI is based off a human consciousness but I'm not sure how the imperium views that. As for the awoken, unless I mistaken the imperium would just view them as different colored humans. The mutations of the awoken are tame by imperium standards, and even if they don't like the awoken, It's not going to be a deal breaker for them when they're getting basically immortal super solder wizards out of the deal.
@Buster-McTunder there's not really much they can do against the Traveler as any assault against it would make it Alt+Dlt a fleet from existence, no destruction or anything just straight up delete them. Oh gods you say? Step in the darkness the literal embodiment of evil and destruction of reality. The Traveler could view the Chaos gods as pathetic copies of the Witness as they're too chicken shit to enter reality and fight themselves, and it would probably view the Emperor as a shittier copy of themselves and would probably make an extremely violent point.
A fireteam of gaurdians equipped with the rat king sneaking around and trolling the space marines sounds like a fun time XD
NAH imagine 1000 rat kings stacked 💀
Alpha Legion moment
i listened and then remembered that Shaxx, forced a hive ghost to respawn a hive god, just to kill her… over, and over…and over again.
Just a quick correction, that was Saint-14 actually! :)
@@glovedgamer4982 you’re absolutely right, Saint-14 did it in response to Osiris’ manipulation from Savathun. i stand corrected.
@@quenny ah don't worry, happens to the best of us!
Did he get the roll he wanted though?
Also according to lore guardians can chain supers for as long as they need just nerfed In game to make it playable
Lore guardians can also use abilities and super from any class or subclass at any time. (As long as they leaned it)
In lore, the classes are more about their roles than their abilities
@@Jet-ij9zcyes! It’s like martial arts. The longer the time spent on it, the stronger it is.
@Jet-ij9zc And that's been a consistent thing for a very long time, too. Literally the first mission we play in D2, we see Cayde using blink on the Gunslinger Hunter. Something only he could do.
well, not quite, just the more powerful ones. the Guardian(who we play as) is so powerful in the lore, we can alter reality to our benefit with barely any effort required. and btw, gameplay strand is very different than lore strand. all the gameplay stuff is there, except unravel actually just does that, and the guardian can reform anything into anything else iirc
The chaos crucible matches are the closest thing we have to lore accurate abilities and its not even 100% close since it still has 30 seconds to 2 minutes of cooldown
One thing to mention is that Guardians are nerfed in the game, when in reality, if you take them from the lore, Guardians have no limits on how much they can use their powers so long as they have access to the light or darkness. Not to mention, they can learn from death, they get stronger by gaining wisdom from the "ultimate sacrifice". There's also the fact that Guardians do try diplomacy, so, for example, they'd strike an alliance with the Tau or the Orkz and gain access to technology far superior to whatever the Imperium has. Assuming that Ghosts are able to survive and resurrect their Guardians each time they get taken down, while it'd take a while, Guardians have the win. I mean, everything we've seen in Destiny, is guardians just following the status quo, and using their abilities in moderation, and that's by design.
I feel like one could say that every Guardian, is on a power level just shy of a Chaos God who cannot per permanently killed unless you have a weapon that directly uses the power of the Warp.
And the reason I respond after so long is that Bungie confirmed relatively recently that the number of Guardians in the game is approximately how many players there are, excluding named characters,,,
So that's a lot of near Chaos God level threats.
@@StoirmAstrayBasically, if all the Guardians from the Vanguard and those groups of exiled/rebel Guardians Unite against 2 or More space Marine Chapters........that ain't a war, that is Massacre.
@@aquilesgarciaperez5918 yeah, for the Chapter xD
@@StoirmAstray Exactly 🤣🤣🤣
Ork tech is NOT superior to Imperium Tech at all... The only reason it works in the first place is because of the Ork's collective world-bending beliefs... Otherwise, their Tech are heaps of scrap that not even The Fallen would find a use in... And they find a use for EVERYTHING.
Guardians will drive races to extinction for a slightly nicer gun and dying is just like falling on their ass,they just get up and kill some gods.
Guardians: First of all the sheer determination to kill you can give a guardian by telling them they can get a bolter, or turn the mariners into a gun is insane. Second, guardians (maybe not canonically) can well and shatterskate giving them the speed advantage. Third, a Orpheus rig hunter, Phoenix protocol warlock, a banner of war titan, and a dream can annihilate pretty much anything.
A final note on the exotics that's just for guardians that aren't nearly as close to strength as a certain warlock vanguard throwing nova bombs and nova warps back to back
Pretty much everything guardians can do is canon, it's canon that the craftening happened, guardians in game are not at canonical strength, hell some guardians in bits of lore use light when their ghost is dead, some of them can warp and use light in any way they wish just nigh of creation, several guardians in lore can use a golden gun for hours, some warlocks use nova warps that have the power to destroy planets, hell a single gaurdian could take out legions of enemies, and exotic weapons like graviton lance wipe fields of spacemarines easy
@@cheetahofthewind13 I totally forgot that has been cutscenes of ikora using Nova and then using chaos Reach back to back
@@EtherealKiri not to mention if we bring the Traveller into this we all get near infinite ability energy including supers, we do this early enough we have a lot of pre nerf builds, late enough and we have prismatic. In the words of, probably, the Traveller "You will end them"
@@EtherealKiri true, I just figured the super regen exotics are used for less experienced guardians, or those that just aren't as powerful as others.
Hell lets not forget the lote entry where a ghost casted a super for their guardian because their light was stronger then the guardian.
The spacemarines are easily cooked by anything in the destiny universe that use paracasual abilities, but they're also like the cabal in a way so at least they're going to put up a fight
I would imagine that if a guardian picks up a bolter , because it’s soo old and outdated in their eyes it would be Akin to white tier guns , but be so powerful at killing space marines they would still use it and infuse it to max light level anyways just for the fun of it
Na skyburner basically a bolter
@@hellblaze10 eyyy i see youre profile picture is of Chichol from Mabi, how fitting then my profile is Morrighan.
super rare to find fellow players from Mabinogi.
Half of the weapons in Destiny (and the exotics) are old weapons refurbished bro what are you talking about?
"cool skyburner ornament, did you get it from tess?"
Cabal slug rifles are pretty much equivalent to bolters. So, not bad but not great either.
Honestly, Richard from Gumball can solo anything just by getting a job
richard is an entirely different entity altogether 😂, he might as well be akin to golb from adventure time, a being that’s literally chaos incarnate
Let's say the Guardians became their own faction.
They're stronger than orks, craftworld Eldar, dark Eldar, Tau, Necrons and Dwarfs.
Tyranids, Chaos, and the Imperium are the only ones who have a chance but they have to stop fighting each other first.
The main problem is when the Guardians run into a problem They Deal With It.
They sweep past the chaff and kill the leaders at the top unlike every other 40k faction that has to stamp out the littlest enemy they see just because.
It doesn't matter how much ammo and power you have when the enemy has an infinite amount.
Near immortality is the key. Always having a chance to learn and adapt to a new enemy has always been guardians strength. If you can never truly kill the target he will wear you down and attack at your weakest point. That how armies break no matter how strong.
Warp: "let's mess with their future and shit"
Guardian: *Literal volatile rage* "GOD DAMN IT VEX, I'VE SHOWN YOU ONCE I WILL DO SO AGAIN" *Begins assaulting the warp and putting literal fear into chaos.*
So the Gaurdians get sent to the past, future, present, Alternate pasts, futures, presents, and then we go dimensional with a bit a flavoring of taking other parts of reality just to see how funny it can be.
@xermasboo5401 the fact is attempting to time travel a guardian is a great way for them to essentially scooby doo their way back to your capital and just icing leadership
@@Mike-bf2be The fact is the Warp loves to mess with any sort of manipulations. If it was still in the material world that is one thing, but the warp itself can throw anything done to it because it doesn't follow time like the material universe.
It follows concepts and conceptuals which means Time as a meaning is more of a conceptual like Death, Change, Lust, War, and such are conceptuals as well. War has more power than time in the Warp which means Khorne literally can sit and ignore because they are not even phasing him.
He is an entity that exists beyond the Traveler because the Traveler is still in the material universe. Same with the Darkness. In Fact, Even trying to fight him just makes him stronger, and has power over the gaurdians.
Unless it's Saint 14, then he'd headbutt into submission
@xermasboo5401 you do realize the Guardians and the Traveler are Paracasual like chaos, the fact is if the Traveler wanted to it could punch its way into the warp, absorb it and become the embodiment of chaos and order. The Darkness is the conceptual ending of reality and the Traveler repeatedly tells it to go take a hike, and Guardians constantly bend it to their will and bend fate to their will. The light let's them bend reality and concepts especially Warlocks who treat teleporting between dimensions as bloody hopscotch, or throw enough power around to divert the rotation of planets or crack moons. Plus the Guardians have fought hive gods, aka the Hive equals to chaos gods as they embody concepts. Xivu=Khorne, Savathun=Tzeentch. They already fight people equal to chaos gods and they turn parts of them into guns and armor.
The real ace of the guardians is their *Paracausality* ...
Why mess with a "fate" that the warp can screw with, when they make their own on demand?
Not even Primarchs can do that easily!
yeah nah a space marine ain’t shit against a strand grapple melee + burning fists x5 + one-two punch + tractor cannon
We killed gods in their own damn home.
Developed dark powers
Cursed weapons and elemental damage weapons
Erie became a hive god
Traveler beam
You’re damn lucky we lost Rasputin
Being flung through space and time portals and rips in reality
Shaxx
Saint-14 Ikora pissed off
Killed multiple dragons to extinction
Fought back and reclaimed the light after it was ripped from us
A WARLOCK WITH A DAMN WELL KEEPS US ALIVE AS LONG AS NEEDED
SUSPENSION
FREEZE
Titian ELECTRIC MISSLE MODE
If you understand the concept of paracausality you already know that there are not many things/beings in the 40k universe that could threat guardians.
Chaos gods, big E, eldar gods, ctan, maybe greater demons, maybe alpha psykers (those last two are big maybe). I think that's about it.
Anything else it doesn't matter if you have 10 or a septillion. They can't kill a guardian, only buy time.
The chaos gods are the only ones that could be a threat and still get turned into guns eventually
@@cheetahofthewind13 True lol, just imagine a nurgel gun (more like a weapon of sorrow skin)
guardians have a really good gun that literally beats anything the space marines have, it's the graviton lance, it shoots bullet sized black holes meaning a space marines armor is absolutely useless against it.
and while it's a good gun the graviton lance doesn't even really hit that hard comparatively
also don't they canonically have certain exotic guns just widespread, like it's a sort of brand name item. Aside from of Red Death, of course. I feel like it was that or an exotic armour
@@huhreally5771most exotics are rarely produced by the different brands and quite expensive. It's comparable to a nice car. You see it quite often but not every day.
Also you can forge your own exotics. So a few are available to all. Or have been only produced once like the thorn for example.
@@huhreally5771 IIRC exotics can range from "SUROS/Veist etc. has made the Ferrari of guns" to "I have taken the soul of a God and infused it into my gun" with a lot in between. They're less 'the most powerful weapons' and more unique curios and oddities that stick out from your Honda Accord garden variety gear.
@@kiwi3085 As it turns out, I was remembering Geomag Stabilizers, talked about in the Zeroneiro Shell lore from Season of the Splicer, as being something you can get "secondhand from the market without much (effort)". Coincidentally, it's about a guardian interpreting what Mithrax told him about directing the light as meaning he should be able to turn a pair of random old boots into a pair of exotic boots.
So I moreso meant it like that. That exotics are sometimes just really widespread, albeit powerful items, not always the unique marvels like graviton(though that could be one of them). But everyone in this thread already restated that 👍
The realm of the chaos gods would make an INCREDIBLE raid. I think Destiny with more grimdark would be incredible. Both franchises would benefit from incorporating awesome aspects of the other.
13:27 I’m so glad you brought this up, a lot of people tend to forget the fact that every enemy they kill is a walking loot table. Should they beat anyone with weapons better than theirs, they can pick those weapons up and use them to an even greater effect than their previous owners.
I would also like to bring up the fact the darkness embodies the immaterial (the mind and consciousness). So any guardians well-versed in stasis, strand, or even just deepsight may have a sort of resistance to warp influence on the mind.
The lore implies that Guardians are well above humans, main problem is that we have no clear and consistent example of how superhuman Guardians are supposed to be.
I'm pretty sure Bungie has implied the Average Guardian be on par with a Spartan, before adding space magic, but yeah they do vary wildly in power
Pff, an astarte would fart a guardian to death.
@oklart377
To be fair we have to use the highest powered interpretation of each side.
Only the space marine librarians would be a significant threat to Guardians.
I assume a generally enhanced physiology, though it's hard to gauge exact numbers cuz we don't really see Guardians getting into athletic competitions with regular humans.
However:
During the Red War, a Lightless Zavala is easily pinned down by a standard Cabal Legionnaire during the attack on the Last City.
With the Light, an average Titan can kill several Cabal Legionnaires at once with a melee ability, or kill them in 1-2 punches without using their ability.
Lord Saladin also regularly uses his greataxe to kill elite Cabal warriors in Rites of Proving with virtually no effort, to the point where he's probably second only to Caiatl herself in terms of command authority.
Those aren't hard numbers, but it demonstrates a significant leap in physical capabilities, even without directly wielding the Light.
Now, I don't expect the average Guardian is gonna be arm-wrestling a Space Marine in their armor. Titans MAYBE could, because they're crazy strong brick shithouses, but I'd still give the edge in raw physical prowess to Space Marines.
However, every single individual Guardian can wield the Light(and Darkness)in ways that would make most psykers from 40k VERY envious.
And since psionics exist in Destiny and is an entirely distinct capability from the Light or Darkness, then it follows that psykers cannot interfere with or suppress a Guardian's abilities, at least not without somehow learning to wield/manipulate Light and Darkness themselves.
That said, psykers could potentially be taught to wield Strand, as it is a power that is based on psychic energies, in the event that some Guardians go rogue and try to defect to the Imperium. This COULD allow enough psykers or strong enough psykers to emulate Darkness Zones, limiting the speed with which a Ghost can revive its Guardian, giving them enough time to destroy the Ghost(without paracausal powers or specific technology, Ghosts are VERY tough to kill)
The biggest advantage the Imperium has is their ships; the Guardians simply do not have anything to match their naval capabilities. They are an army of essentially extremely high end special-ops soldiers. In 90% of grounded engagements, I imagine the Guardians would rip through most groups of Space Marines with relative ease. Some of them might go down as the battle goes on, but they get back up more surely than Necrons.
And god forbid the poor Space Marines engage a Fireteam that has their Supers up.
Now, the Custodes vs the Guardians? THAT would be one hell of a fight. I imagine that'd be at least like a strike boss kinda fight for the Guardians.
Cool. They are in their ranks so? Yes, a fart. Even Sly Marbo would take down a guardian.@@Metaphysicist
In the event of an alliance, the Imperium would be able to benefit greatly from live fire exercises with Guardians as OpFor due to that immortality. It would probably good training for dealing with chaos insurgencies.
Orks especially would appreciate having an enemy that can come right back to fight more after getting krumped.
Imagine the orks get resurrected by ghosts because they believe they can
@@dravendarkplays9607Oh fuck. We got another savathun situation
@@dravendarkplays9607 Orky boyz are about the only faction in 40k I legit think has a chance to defeat the Vanguard in all honesty. You get a massive enough Waaagh going and a belief they can smash Ghosts like grapes because they're so small comparatively and you might have a war of attrition the Guardians could potentially lose.
@@dravendarkplays9607oh god no. That would be another savathun situation.
@@bz3854or go the other way around. Orks see guardians that just don't die, start believing they can't die, and end up empowering them even more.
Hell, let's go full ork. The orks see them wearing a full green armor, think they're also orks because they're strong and violent, and all of a sudden you have a guardian-ork alliance creating the biggest Waagh in existance.
Foghorn
I AM RASPUTIN! I HAVE NO EQUALS, AND I AM SICK AND TIRED OF GETTING NERFED BY PLOT ARMOR, SO I AM TAKING OUT MY ANGER ON YOU!
Rasputin controlled armies upon armies of robots and other constructs, weapons used by guardians to kill gods, warsats capable of obliterating a moon sized ship in an instant, lasers that can cut through warship armor like a knife through butter, and WMDs with names like “the un-fire of the singularity” and “aurora knives” he computational power is, lore wise, on par with the VEX’s planet sized super computer, and that thing is freaking PRE COGNITIVE!
We would only need a handful of Guardians to stomp the 40k Astartes.
Lord Shaxx - Tactical genius and is canonically never wrong.
Ikora Rey - The Only Guardian who's beaten Shaxx as is among the very few 5th Sigma Guardians
Lord Saladdin - "Even old wolves still bite."
Cayde-6 - The greatest of the Hunters and Destiny's largest Wild Card.
And finally, The Player - Our sheer resilience to constantly get back up compared to most Guardians and that it's canonical we do things with The Light that leagues of other Guardians would never have thought of.
Warlocks can literally open Black Holes and conjure small stars at a whim, a fairly average Titan was able to shake a mountain with a punch. To be blunt, while I love 40K and Space Marines, there isn't a single Space Marine or even Primarch alive in the 40K setting that could survive a round with a high tier Guardian. The player Guardians are on a similar power scale to a C'tan, and not a C'tan Shard, a full on C'tan, as in the Vow of the Disciple Raid, you're actually literally moving planets around with your power.
Stop the cap 😂
Wei Ning who I mentioned in the video, is not an average Titan.
@@Buster-McTunder he absolutely is when compared to Shaxx, Zavala, Saint-14 or the player Titan. He isn't a top tier, and he wasn't strong enough to contend with Crota, literally one of the earliest threats the player Guardian dealt with in their journey.
@@Jenn-lq9yu Crota who was incredibly weaker by the time he re awakened and we fought him, no? As far as I was aware that’s what had happened.
Also comparing them to the top 3-4 titans and calling that average among hundreds of thousands is a bit disingenuous to me.
@@oklart377 Please, give an example of Primarchs pulling of some of the feats Guardians have. Guardians have killed multiple gods and beings that control time. Plus, Atheon, the Vex that could control time, wasn't even Paracausal.
Hell The Guardians can even kill their God Emperor if he exists... may cost a few team wipes but yeah.
No they can't he like literally turns people into dust and wipe them from existence
Gorgons erase people from existence and history when caught, if the The Guardians can kill them so they can kill The God Emperor...
@@Darkflame1423 I myself am not sure that a fireteam could kill the Emperor, but this is a very bad argument. Nothing you mentioned there is beyond the reach of the gods guardians have killed before in Destiny. Guardians have passive fate manipulation and resistances to existence erasure.
Atheon manipulates the timestream and can erase people entirely, Crota manipulates space and is conditionally invulnerable, Oryx is like Crota but he can tear you into another dimension and erase your will from reality, Calus has a massive psionic mindscape he can throw you into, Savathûn and the Witness can literally erase planets from the fabric universe by moving them through dimensions, etc, etc. All of the above except the Witness have been defeated by Guardians (and tbh, come back in 50-60 days and the Witness will be dead too).
@@yourewrong9028
Also the Ahamkara. Like, do we know any limits for them?
@@Darkflame1423mate, hive gods (which the guardians have killed plenty of) create entire universes to use then as their throne world
Space marines don’t even survive their own setting. In one short story a guardsman placed 3 ravenguards in check mate with a grenade trap and pitfall. Guardsmen have killed space marines, sororitas slay space marines, basic genestealers overwhelm and kill terminators. Space marines aren’t nearly as tough as Spartans, let alone Guardians
The golden gun hunter watching the army aproaching him: "Oh i'm gonna get SO many resets"
You forgot to mention Rasputin. Rasputin is an Ai strong enough to destroy the traveler and simulate paracusality. One of the main reasons why the black fleet stayed away was Rasputin. He is capable of destroying thousands of ships that could destroy solar system. Space Marines would have a nightmare getting thier ships past him.
Yes and no. Warsats and aurora knives would shred imperial ships and troops being that they are literal doomsday weapons that could potentiallydestroy even the Traveler, but the black fleet didn't give a damn about Rasputin as he couldn't even damage them due to them literally teleporting the Warsaw shots away. They only took so long because the Witness is a sadistic bastard that wants to make humanity suffer for the crime of being influenced by the traveler. For proof look at the season of arrivals, when the fleet arrived, Rasputin shot it with Warsats and the ship just kept going and then just waved Rasputin almost out of existance.
@@musicmaster531 The only reason the Witness waited because of Rasputin. The Witness made Eramis put humanity in a position where they had to destroy Rasputin. Right after that the Black Fleet invaded. In season of Arrivals Rasputin wasn't at full power. Rasputin in Sheraph was in his prime.
while Rasputin is strong yeah. He was not any kind of threat to the witness or the black fleet.
To the cabal or the fallen. Maybe the vex? Sure.
But Rasputin has 0 chance against that level of paracausal force. Best shown during the first collapse. Bro gave up and dipped out and considered trying to cripple the traveler so it couldn't leave.
@@justifano7046 speaking of Rasputin the thing the middle of the anomaly PvP map give them that and say " go on try to break it open"
@@justifano7046 Do you not pay attention during seasonal stories? Rasputin can destroy paracausal entity and objects. How do you think he was going to destroy the traveler? Rasputin is top five in the Destiny verse.
I'd be more worried about how quickly the Guardians would learn how to BECOME as physically powerful as Space Marines, or raise Space Marines as Guardians.😅
Guardians are already leagues more powerful then space marines. Especially Titans.
Keep in mind, gameplay doesn’t equal Lore.
Ikora was stated to move so fast time seems to slow. Saint 14 literally punched a hole through reality. Humans in Destiny, I mean normal humans, are already super human. Physically much stronger faster, and even live hundreds of years, and guardians are still gods to them.
Not to mention guardians immortality and ability to wield Paracausal powers that literally break reality. Or the enemies they fight, Oryx literally conquered and destroyed entire universes, and he’s barely breaking the top 5 strongest foes the guardians have killed at this point.
The Cabal average 10 feet tall, wear power armor themselves, and have superior strength feats the space marines, and a single unnamed guardian is capable of taking down hundreds of Cabal before being TEMPORARILY downed.
All these abilities, then consider the fact that a guardian Can’t be killed without destroying their ghost, which also can’t be done without paracausal abilities.
The only two races that actually have the power to kill a guardian in all of destiny are the hive, using Reality warping magic, and the Vex, through time manipulation. And even among those races is rare.
This isn’t a fight.
This is a battle between a super soldier and a Demi god. They really aren’t comparable.
One titan, without using his light to enhance himself, punched a mountain and the entire mountain moved.
Guardians are already far stronger than space marines
I want to say that the weapon Thorn (The real Thorn not the remakes we use in game.) has been known to make guardians feel weary and sick just being near the thing. I wonder how a Space Marine would feel near a weapon on sorrow. Yes they are severely enhanced but they don't have Paracausal energy powering their body. They just have physical empowerment, no space god giving them extra strength. I feel a space marine being near the original Thorn might just start throwing up or dying of a sickness, or the poison the Thorn gives off. For some of the lower rank marines just being near a guardian with that weapon would kill them, or at least weaken them greatly. And for the greater space marines, I am genuinely asking the people who know this world to answer this part via a comment. Would the strongest marines survive being shattered into millions of pieces? like could they somehow come back to life. I am asking because of a subclass we have titled stasis. Under the Stasis titan lore it states "Under enough pressure everything shatters". The thing about stasis is that under enough pressure, no matter how strong you are stasis will break you into a million pieces since it is Paracausal. The Paracausal part of it doesnt give a shit how strong you or your armor is, stasis will cover you in a plate of ice and then it says fuck the rules of existence ima shatter you anyway.
one banner of war titan with navigator changes this conversation from "who would win" to "who would be left"
Now a worst case scenario if xivu arath showed up with her armies as she gains power of war
Xivu would have a *"great time"* in the 40k universe
Oh frick.
Oh heck.
Oh lord.
That would NOT be pretty.
Xivu and khorn would be love at first sight
@@Slymarbo5060 I ship it
She won't take Khorne as a partner until they've killed each other a few thousand times I'm sure
To be honest, I’d take a contingent of Spartans, or a raid team of Guardians over a space marine chapter. For Spartans, they are soldiers, they will complete the mission as effective and efficiently as possible. Guardians? Throw them at a problem, watch as they bring a fury capable of killing gods.
As a Warlock main and a Grey Knight player I would agree really the only two factions that could stand up to a standard guardian would be Grey Knights or Custodes but that is a standard guardian. If you count in any of the legendary guardians none of the Imperium really stands a chance. Ana Bray’s golden gun shots left light wells in pure darkness for hundreds of years Saint-14 is the boogie man for three species and as you said guardians are known for killing gods then bringing them back just so they can kill them again for fun. Then you forgot about certain lore entries where guardians were dissatisfied with their weapons so they harnessed a weapon to shoot black holes just for a laugh, read Graviton Lance’s lore tab. With the flexibility of the guardians I honestly don’t think Space Marines would have a chance.
The only way to kill a ghost is if the weapon fires paracausal projectiles. Otherwise the ghost is indestructible
As a destiny lore nerd the ways to kill ghost are inconsistent at best, but paracasual bullets are the only way to oneshot them, otherwise you need to real lucky or drop a fuck ton of nukes from orbit
The answer is yes.
Cabal are very similar in size and strength to space marines, and my light filled bullets blow theough em.
Will a gaurdian die to a squad? Yes! Will they come back to life and nuke those boys? Also yes!
As both a Warhammer fan and Destiny fan I gotta say that Guardians would beat most space marines in small engagement fights. They are all but unkillable and lore wise guardians are way more powerful than the game really shows. The game needs everything down for the sake of gameplay.
Universe wise though obviously 40K would win just by scale alone. Couple million guardians at best on one city vs millions of space marines in a galaxy wide empire?
Yea scale wise sure the guardian win every battle but there aren't that many guardians compared to all the forces of the impirium they would just be like the drukari and annoyance but too much effort to actually deal with.
Universe wise Destiny STILL wins. They scale to a higher plane of existence & power. Plus Paracauslity is something you can't just beat, it's something beyond the universe it's self.
The emperium has no way of killing guardians besides maybe alpha class psykers, big E himself or guilliman wielding big E's sword (which, at this point is the Emperor's power and not his own and he'd need a lucky shot or guardians not knowing the sword can perma kill them).
They could destroy earth, sure. But then they'd have millions of immortal gods hellbent on enacting revenge upon them.
Savathuun alone would decimate the Imperium, through sheer cunning or force. Not only is she a Hive God, but now effectively immortal with her being a Guardian as well.
Ana bray, Saint, ikora, Osiris, the guardian and Eris Morn (with sword logic) + Panoptes, Xivu, Rhulk, Nezarec, Orxy, witness just for a safeguard would fucking destroy 90% if not all of Warhammer with minimal difficulty shit nearly every heavy hitter solos. Most vex axis minds eats ass.
Templar, panoptes, atheon all can erase people from all timelines and panoptes can do that outside of the vault. And supposedly the sanctified mind is just stronger simply because it's a fucking vex with paracasual affinity with the darkness. We literally stopped the sol divisive from overthrowing reality by killing it
The guardian pulling out a broken ammit snuggled in by the drifter:
Here’s the thing that for me, changes how the fight can go. One word exotics, these are incredibly powerful items that can be armor that amplifies a guardians powers. Or something like a gun that puts four sniper rounds into one.
Space marines cannot possibly permanently kill a guardian.
You could have a naked, unarmed guardian fight a billion marines without even using his powers and eventually the guardian would win
one thing to keep in mind is that everything in warhammer has a similar counterpart in destiny that the guardians have fought, such as the Hive and Tyrannids, Taken and whoever Chaos corrupts, The Fallen and Dark Eldar, etc etc
theres also the fact that a ghost cant physically be contained or killed by conventional means, theyre paracausal entities, which essentially boils down to something so inexplainably complicated that its only an actual concept in the Destiny Universe, which means nothing exists in 40k that can kill a ghost, and so long as the ghost lives, the guardian can come back from any damage the body received, from a simple bullet hole to complete and total disintegration
theres also the fact that the guardian class system used in the game is bullshit, theyre not limited by class and subclasses, they can use the light as they want, which means lore wise a hunter can use a nova bomb, or a titan can use night stalker, or a warlock thunder crash, there is no limit to the guardians ability pool, hell, lore wise, the emotes the guardians use are physical objects made purely of their light, a guardian could summon a light steel chair and fold a space marine with it, because its light is also classed as a paracausal form of energy
while the vanguard definitely doesnt have the numbers to match the likes of the imperium, they more than make up for it with actual unkillable soldiers that wield the power of the sun and melt space marine armour like cheap plastic
in short, one fucking guardian could singlehandedly kick their racist collective asses, they could genocide entire planets for loot, kill the God Emperor and chaos gods for fun and turn them into a gun for a meme,
I see what you did there at that final part 👀
Paracausality isn't "something so inexplicably complicated"
It's something that is beyond or outside of causality.
Ghosts live, full stop. That's a fundamental law of the universe. The only way to kill a ghost os with something that breaks that law.
There are things in 40k that could kill ghosts. But it would take a chaos god, big E, maybe a greater demon or maybe an alpha class psyker (those last two are a big maybe)
@@Jet-ij9zc its just not true tho they can be destroyed by raw physical force the cabal literaly do that with orbital Bombardement. While yes if they choose to not Manifest then they cant be hit very true(but they also cant revive a gurdian in that state) the vex can destroy guardians with thier advanced tech thier main Problem is that the main Methode they employ to Deal with threats is time Manipulation which just doesnt work on a guardian however thats not an issue they inatly are realitywarpers(with there tech to manipulate the multivers an and time) by the same extent, a psyker(basic) could theoreticaly kill a guardian now this will definetly not happen but both nekron, eldar and a small Group of the emperium could, orks are paracausal by nature literaly rewriting reality by there whims(thankfully to stupid to use it properly) and Chaos is all about not playing by the rules of reality yes paracausal is a busted Feature but warhammer can keep up. Bdw still think the guardians would crush practicaly all spacemarines that exist yes even custodiens.
Okay, on the guardian clas thing. It is a very defined thing and guardians are bound by their definition of class. That is not to say that guardian are not capable of using powers that those of a different class can. But they can't do so to the full extent that the original group can, and the classes exist to place an emphasis on the talents that particular guardian is capable of.
The Titan is the embodiment of physical power, and uses the light to further their own strength and defenses. A Ward of Dawn is something a warlock or a hunter cannot do. Perhaps a replication of sort, but not nearly ever as good as a Titan could, and especially those of the Stoneborn order. I'm a very happy sentinel myself.
Warlocks are space wizards. They do weird shit, that's all I got to say about them, and I'm just happy they are mostly friendly. In the lore, an older warlock taught an impatient younger warlock a lesson in power by moving an entire forest fire unto himself and enveloping himself in it. There is also that part in that one trailer with Zavala's story where Ikora is lifting a massive piece of stone with her powers. Easily box truck sized if memory serves me right.
Hunters are your rangers, your rouges, your monks. They are very good shots, very good scouts and vanish into the void itself, and are very disciplined martial artists. They owe me money.
It is stated in lore that the classes will borrow techniques from the other, but at the end of the day, they specialize in very certain things and benefit more from honing their skills. The class is very much an identity of what a member is capable of. But they can still borrow aspects of skills and weave it into their own.
But Titans won't be casting Nova bombs, warlocks cannot conjur the Hammer of Sol, and Hunters re-learned to blink. But they won't be doing any storm caller stuff. The Shadow Wizard Money Gang can keep that.
Until it is possibly ever expanded on, guardians are for the most part bound by the same class specific abilities we are in game. There are few bits here and there on the whole sharing thing (Felwinter learning to shoulder charge), but supers seem pretty much bound.
Now, if they could blend their powers by channeling it together, I'd like to see that. Like when Efrideet and Saladin did that thundercrash thing together. Maybe like a sentinel shield with a tether attached to it that also has a vortex nova too that just turns the Titan into the world's deadliest vacuum cleaner.
So they can fight Trillions upon Trillions then? How about the Warp where time does not exist, and even trying to use time against it would only attract those that would love to troll them just for the sheer fun of it by sending them to 3 different timelines at the same time while nullifying their ability to affect said time.
As for Space Marines Librarians, not even the Chapter Librarian, use the warp which means everything said before most certainly applies where their abilities will happen through any time manipulations.
There is a reason why the warp is called the warp.
I would argue that the vex would stomp 40K because of how the vex operate they find the winning branch via simulation and then go for it
Well they could calculate the winning move, but they'd still have to win the fight. Could work against them. Necrons did the same and their best bet was go to sleep and wait for everything to die. By the time they wake up, everything's all screwed.
"They shall be my sons, and in them will live the hopes of a unified Humanity. Theirs will be the strength to prevail, not only when victory lies within easy reach, but even when it seems unattainable, when doom settles like a shroud all about. In those times of darkness, my noble sons will shine the brightest of all." Go to bed kids.
That would really depend on if the marines version of destinys space magic would be counted as paracausal if it’s then the vex stand no chance
@@Buster-McTunderyes but considering the vex of the black garden it’s not out of the question that the vex would ally themselves with other factions to have a better chance to winning doesn’t mean that they win tho
they could calculate the battles via mini figures on a battle table using dice , at the cost of spending a shit ton of glimmer in paints and said mini figures
Keep in mind that an especially strong guardian can punch above their weight class even WITHOUT the Light. During the Red War we see commander Zavala successfully outmuscle a Cabal or 2, while much later on, his mentor Saladin Forge would become a Valus under The Cabal by a constant string of Rites of Proving, often taking down other Cabal that are implied to be what the game would consider bosses if we fought them there (Keep in mind that Cabal are basically the setting’s equivalent to Warhammer Space Marines and/or Orks, complete with roughly matching physical prowess). And the main reason that they’re this strong is because many of them have been fighting and dying and fighting again for so frequently and for so long that most Space Marines would either be dead or made into dreadnoughts under those conditions in the same timeframe.
Sorry mate, The Guardian already fight the Cabal Empire. They're basically Space Marines as well. They also like to conquer planets and explode Sun's for fun
upon learning that guardians kill gods for shits and giggles, and turn them into guns, the Imperium of Man might very well employ them to fight chaos, treating them as mercenaries, rather than indoctrinated members of the Astra Militarum.
Other than that, they'd probably get treated as psykers and send some Blanks to go kill them, along with a healthy regiment of marines. The imperium also has so much on their plate that fighting another faction of humanity would just be a case of "fuck it, exterminatus if they don't join us", which would likely be their downfall.
There is a major problem with treating Guardians as Psykers though. There is a race of psychic aliens guardians fight rather normally. And their powers and abilities are not based in Light Or Dark as both Paracausal energies are separated from Psychic powers and abilities. The only Psychic power or ability a Guardian has is based in Strand which is a Darkness subclass.
Funny thing about blanks and guardians: the light, which is a guardian's main power source, is an entirely material paracausal force. Blanks have an effect on the immaterial only. Blanks would weaken only a guardian's darkness based abilities, as the darkness is the immaterial counterpart to the light.
What Exotic you think the Emperor would be if he got turned into Destiny loot, I wonder.
I'd turn him into a knock off Kolibri just as an insult and then store it in my vault. Never to use it.
Maybe a rocket or machine gun
A sword I'd assume
Armor of stasis of some kind. He's on the edge of death but not dead. Maybe give the player auto resurrection after 3 seconds.
Probably a solar sword
One thing i noticed is that it was mentioned that it takes 8 minutes for guardian's to get there super back. Lore accurate guardian's have little to no super cool down. In the cut scene where cayde-6 dies he cast blade barrage and golden gun in a matter of seconds
All I know is that Guardians kill gods for fun, and in lore these gods are literally universally omnipotent powerful beings.... Rhulk, Nezarec, Calus, the Witness, Savathuun, Oryx, Xivu Arath. Hell one of Crota's sword swings destroyed the moons surface, if that says anything. Even the Vex would probably find a timeline where they would destroy the Imperium, and not to mention the vex only send their workers (occasionally they'll send a wyvern which is one of their actual foot soldiers to fight guardians.) Its crazy what guardians will do for loot.
I used to think a Space Marine could clap a guardian (I was a big D2 fan and not much a 40k fan) but after getting into the wonderful world of 40k, i realize how deadly a Guardian is, let alone a group of them. I imagine that each fight with a space marine is probably like doing a Legendary or Master lost sector, then again these guys kill gods and make them into guns for fun, so who knows.
I saw someone say that the Imperium wouldnt have much a problem with the Guardians and would want to maybe be allied with them, albeit maybe not so much with exos with the whole banning of A.I.
This is such a topic, sure the "does X beat X?" Is cool but the idea of two versions of humanity fighting the darkness, be it bugs, daemons or green south london folks, or the literal incarnation of darkness itself, is fun.
Now who might win a fight? A competent Space Marine or Custode will be troublesome, however when we remember the Guardians can without a doubt wield the power of the sun in the palm of their hands, i dont know who else can take a golden gun shot and walk away, say maybe a Primarch (like Ascended Daemon primarchs) but its nothing a Telesto cant fix.
TL:DR
Who will win? Idk depends on the writer-
Edit: wait i dont think the vanguard would like the imperium due to the fact they like... Use slaves, like take one look at how they operate and tell me they wouldnt be disgusted?
The Imperium would HATE the Vanguard and the Guardians. We're allied with Xenos- We're the same as the Tau in their eyes.
So imagine, instead, the Vanguard allying with the Tau _because_ the Imperium sees us as the same anyway. Light-empowered mech units would be absolutely TERRIFYING and I want one ASAP tbh
Yall forget the Cabal exist. There basically a species of space marines just slitly slower
*nothing telesto can't break
@@tristanperciful6609 telesto breaks the imperium and chaos is afraid
@@laynegrey2003 Yes! Looking back now, the Vanguard would possibly fight against the imperium to free humanity from this grotesque, corpse of a tyrant and his decaying machine of an imperium.
Light powered Tau mechs would go hard.
I love the concept of a Destiny and 40k crossover so much; it just scratches my brain the right way. There have been too many times in my life that I have come mere inches away from starting a UA-cam series akin to AFanWithTooMuchTime for Destiny vs 40K. I really do think that they could mesh really well and some really interesting stories could be made.
do it.
@@ezimoase3363College hurts though.
I know I am late to the party but Guardians have one thing that would wreak absolute havoc in the 40k universe more than anything else in the Destiny universe: the Telesto
Ah yes. The equivalent of a chaos god in destiny that has wreaked more havoc than Oryx, savathun, and Xivu Arath combined.
A weapon so powerful that it has broken the fabric of reality time and time again. The Telesto.
@megarhombus7532 now give said Telesto to Taniks
Saint 14 is the Boogey man for two whole species. The fallen tell ghost stories about him to their young and the vex literally had to trap him in time until his light ran out to kill him and he didn’t die until his grave could be laid on a mountain of their corpses.
To be frank, put saint 14 against a legion and he'd come back with just a few scratches on his armor
Probably not even that. It took him headbutting a 14 foot Kell to death to even leave a dent, and he was weakened at the time
tis but a scratch
Saint-14 isn't A Titan, he is THE Titan.
You also forgot to say the Guardians Ghost is also like a second person that's like a super super smart AI that can do anything and make combat strats on the fly.
It’s definitely a good point to add on for what I said about Guardians being super adaptable in combat, when they’re figuring out how their enemy works mid fight
All the empirium needs to do to win against chaos is tell the guardians that there is a 4 boss raid in the warp with *4 exotics to earn* XD
Everyone gangsta till guardians start turning Librarians into weapons.
Considering the Astartes would be gunning for Miisraks on account of him being a 'filthy Xenos'
Any Marine would be little more than a Nail to the Titans Hammer
best description ive ever heard for an astartes was "imagine a halo spartan blasted tren incessantly and could never die of old age, now make them religious zealots"
I think the reason why we all agree that the Guardians win is that:
1. What they lack in raw power they make up for in diversity, there isn't a baseline Guardian the same way there is a baseline Space Marine because the Guardians fill a niche in order to win fights, picking specific loadouts depending on what they're fighting.
2. When you're fighting a Guardian you're not fighting the person with a gun, you're trying to kill a floating eyeball that can blip in and out of reality with their immortal body guard. If you don't kill the Ghost it's only a matter of time before you lose.
3. On an Individual level The Guardians have more ways of killing a Space Marine, whether it's through the divine gifts given to them when being made into the soldiers of The Light or weaponry made from Gods (I know that comparing the "Gods" of Destiny to the Gods of Warhammer isn't a 1 to 1 example but its the principle that counts) these compared to a standard issue bolter or rifle that a space marine would have.
All of this said i would love to see what these two groups would look like working together.
If house of light and the speaker are anything to go by, the Mechanicus might consider the traveler an avatar of the motive force
Except the traveler is real, whereas the motive force is just soldiers believing their weapons like to be maintained. Lol.
Remember, the graviton lance can shoot literal blach holes that teleport inside of the enemy so they could go right through the armor of an astartes and totally byepass that strength.
Also, y'know. Black holes kinda go through everything anyway
@@HugeHaddocktrue true
Yeah, I'll be honest. The astartes armor is not an issue at all.
Every weapon wielded by a guardian is infused with light. They could go through their armor with a kitchen knife (or just their fist tbh. There's a lore entry about a titan would would punch a mountain and it would move. Yes the whole mountain was pushed back from a punch)
@@Jet-ij9zc yeah, true
@Jet-ij9zc Fun Fact. That Titan also wasn't boosting themselves with the light at that point, or at least it doesn't mention it. Only that they punched. So who knows what would've happened if they boosted that punch with Arc or solar energy.
A standard no name space marine, sure. But if they have a name and a story, you better pray to 8 fold star to get through that plot armor
Plot armor is the strongest enemy
Plot armor in 40k is the emperor, does it not make sense, the emperor is still alive but just barely.
Short answer, yes. Long answer: in the lore a Striker Titan’s punch has the same kinetic energy as a nuke, a basic Voidwalker Warlock can summon a black hole like it’s nothing, and a basic Gunslinger Hunter can summon pistols made of actual star fire. Don’t get me wrong, I love warhammer and space marines, but guardians consistently kill beings that defy logic and power as a concept. Oryx had the ability to manipulate souls and control entire races at a whim because he was the strongest by his own definition, and due to that he was. Nezarec is quite literally the God of Pain. Savathûn can warp reality at will like it’s nothing. Crota is the most powerful son of Oryx, capable of taking in entire legions. And the guardians clapped ALL of them. Hell, there’s a lore book where Saint-14, a Sentinel Titan, killed Savathûn, the Hive Goddess of Trickery, a minimum of 10 times by himself. I say minimum because that’s the amount confirmed. After those initial ten the book says “after a long time had passed, Saint was done.” Dude found a God, killed her a minimum of ten times, then said “Ok you have my permission to leave.” The Ahamkhara are so powerful they can grant wishes and persist after death. And guardians kill and WEAR THEM. One of my Warlock builds literally has me wearing an ahamkhara’s spine as GLOVES. Those are frickin DRAGONS. Again, don’t get me wrong, space marines are tough bastards. I’ve been playing warhammer for years, and I’m a massive fan of the lore. But if you drop an unsupervised raid team into the warhammer universe, that tyranid threat that no one can stop? Yeah that’ll be gone in three days, tops. They’ll hear “incredible odds, impossible obstacles” and they’ll just think, “Oh so we’re just doing Kings Fall again?” Space marines are cool, and space marines are strong, but they can’t even hold a candle to guardians.
I’d say guardians as a whole would be able to take on the Warhammer universe just via making the comparisons of cabal and marines. And the fact that guardians can say no to the warp via the light makes this very tough to answer for chaos gods just because of patacausal bs.