The Cabal are basically the Imperium of the Destiny universe. Their weapons, basically Bolters. Their overall size, comparable to an Adeptus Astartes battle brother. Their armor, ornate and (sometimes) very shiny. Their emperor, revered as a god. Psions, similar to Imperial psychers and can act as a sort of midway between the average imperial guardsman. No joke, especially in this current season (at this point in time, season of the chosen) in the lore, Calus is in a version of this golden throne and almost dead. And they have NUMEROUS legions similar to the Astartes chapter hierarchy. (The red legion, the skyburners, the sand eaters, the dust giants, the siege dancers, the ice reapers, etc.) Seriously, the similarities between the two are dangerously close to being at a legitimate risk of plagiarism.
Well, this puts a lot of emphasis on the fact that guardians, specifically titans, in destiny 1& 2, are freakishly strong. Because titans punch these things to death bare handed.
@@terrelldurocher3330 My friends and I had a discussion about how much a Titan's armor weighs. In Destiny 1, we got a hint from a pair of green boots that say quote, "A Titan's boots alone are heavy enough to crack concrete." At a minimum, their armor is 10 times heavier than a Spartan.
Something I’d like to add; Emperor Calus (that lavish and spoiled neighbor) speaks of vault worlds which were dedicated to holding planet busting super weapons of varying nature.
As Empress Catal states, "We eat the mountains and drink the seas, we are the Cabal!" " Thats no ordinary Space Rhino" as the late Cayde-6 states when talking about Arms dealer.
In the EDZ up in the sunken isles where the Orobas Vectura is dry docked there’s a mountain that’s seemingly had a giant chunk taken out of it by the cabal to make room for the ship. They straight chopped up a MOUNTAIN to make parking easier.
Makes sense. In D1, Ghost mentions that the Cabal have been known to blow up entire planets simply because manoeuvring their fleets around them would have taken too long. Oh yeah, there was also that tidbit in the Red War about them trying to BLOW UP THE SUN!!! I don't think "subtlety" exists in the Cabal dictionary!
A good quote to judge the cabal by is "They don't go around planets, they blow up the ones in their way" I don't remember the exact quote but that's what you need to know
It's also worth mentioning the Cabal are stated to destroy entire planets and moons just because they're in the way and don't feel like steering the ship around it.
and if the dreadnoughts reactor gose nova it takes the whole system mind you. the cabal were about to do that before we stopped them. Also they have many words for advance but none for retreat.
@@AREB1DER people keep forgetting That a group of advanced psion’s can throw fucking moons. The red legion hadn’t lost a single war up until they tried to take earth.
Y'all seem to be confused. 1. The dreadnought was ORYX'S ship. His little bit of the ascendant plane dragged into the physical world. 2. The dreadnought isn't what destroys systems. That's Ghaul's allmighty.
According to Cayde-6: "You know, when they (the Cabal Legions) go to war, they're kicked out of the empire (Cabal empire)? Yep! Victory is the only way they get to go home. Not a lot of people know that~" Best of luck to you Space Marines out there, because the Cabal won't leave the Imperium and all others in Warhammer 40K alone until they get their 'victory'. However, if they do loose then they would retreat grudgingly.... *Right After They Blow Up Your Entire Star System, Due To Them Aren't Able To Conquer It...*
They use other technology to, their tactic to take on another ship thats stronger than they are, is to crash their own ship into the bigger one to create a beachhead, then they'll storm their way to the engine room and blow it up, escaping in their own ship of course, doing so in the game would have destroyed the solar system
The cabal come from torobotl, and Calus was spared for 2 reasons, the emperor was insanely popular and killing him and all of his loyalists in mass or leaving them suffer would be a bad look for the coup taking place. Number 2, as much as she hated to admit it Caiatl to an extent deeply cared for Calus and didn't want to watch him die, so instead she set him up to live a reasonably long and peaceful life with his loyalists to avoid executing him, she spared him. And the reason they were given weapons was to defend themselves should they be invaded or under attack, the ship ate planets to sustain it's self and keep the life support aboard afloat
You forgot one miniscule detail the cabal currently are growing their army with clones that don't require training and are full size in ridiculously short time Calus used a lot of this clones to grow the egregore on his ship (egregore is basically a fungus that feeds of dead sapient beings)
Clone represant 25% of Calus army in Lightfall, every Cabal you fight are just Caiatl desertor, and since we just blow up the Shadow legion and the fact that Clone are heresy in the eye's of Caiatl Empire they are no longer produce. And now Caiatl have better, she have us.
Ridiculous is right... Iirc the "Bathers" from the Leviathan Raid were flash cloned on the spot during the encounter. 800 pounds of angry, axe wielding Space Hippo created from goop and imbued with all the combat knowledge it needs in less than a minute.
When it comes to the Cabal Empires achievements from least to greatest from a planetary scale and there reasons for doing so they are powerful. The Psion Flayers tossing moons while only being part of a scout fleet(meaning that there are plenty more of them); having fleets that crack surfaces of planets; destroying moons into rings of ruin ;eat planets whole with the leviathan ;blow up planets for just being in the way ;and blow up stars not just because of strategic importance but to simply blow them up to make the galaxy prettier to look at from what Emperor Calus says ,which in of itself is a show of power. All of that and the fact that they are a Galactic Empire that rage war with the Hive who have there own list of achievements that makes them even more terrifying including the fact that they are intergalactic with there war moons and tomb worlds chasing the Traveler through an unknown amount of galaxies destroying countless civilizations that were more or less the same strength if not greater thanks to the Traveler. All of this while the Cabal were having a coup and being raided by "pirates" which could be just referring to the fallen or a number of races that became pirates. If it were to be just the fallen then it kinda shows that the fallen was actually a big enough threat to a powerful Galactic Empire that blowed up stars ,which may imply that the Eliksni ,at there height, with there multiple systems, emphasizes that there populations they once had was notable enough to be a threat even before there fall. Then we include the fact that they might have been much larger when there was more either.
@@godofallrealities51 I don't know... [Shrugged] I always pictured the Golden Age Eliksni to focused mainly on their homeworld, not much with the other planetary bodies of their System (unlike Holden Age Humanity), and before they even knew it the Darkness arrived.
@@CaptainPilipinas True, I don't know if the pirates that Calus talk about was just Fallen or a group of multiple species but at least we can be certain that the "wizards" that he mentioned were the hive at the very least.
@@CaptainPilipinas It's odd how that each faction basically can be listed weakest to strongest by there stage that each faction is in. The fallen: single system or multi system The Cabal: a Galactic Empire The Hive: Intergalactic crusaders The vex: multiversal computer hivemind (multiversal as in multiple timelines) The Cabal alone sounds tough enough to me to survive Warhammer 40k but the last two would probably thrive in the warhammer setting. The Hive thriving with there crusades and vex probably not caring about there enemies but filled with the desire to study everything that is going on . This would include paracausal powers like the light, darkness, and the power, forces and the gods of chaos.
@@godofallrealities51 Oh he's encountered them before (although I only heard through a video when he was toying around with the Device that lets him see things into the future and the past. One of them he mentions a 'king' (Oryx) ruling over his 'people' (Hive) and they were surviving (the Worms inside them) out in the universe).
Either fanboyism/girlism towards their non-Destiny franchises (no offense) or just can't understand much of the Lore in it. I've seen a lot of them with Destiny vs (or teaming up with) other Fictional Medias, and it doesn't end well for us Guardians due to *Them* comparing theirs with us in gameplay-wise.......Mostly. [Sighing In Sadness]
Someone said that the imperial land tank is around two thousand feet tall. Imperial titans don't often breach two hundred feet tall. Meaning the tank can probably roll over an entire legion of them.
There are tonnes of sci fi factions that could destroy 40k, I love it but it isn’t that powerful. I have a Reddit post (not for this reason) which has a list of races all of which could solo 40k: www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/li8sre/could_anything_beat_this_alliance/?
@@detonater7441 Halo can still be beated by 40k, star trek is debatable. The vex can easily be countered by the Necrons for they also have time travel and has a device that can literally destroy the galaxy at will, but only at a very very very high problematic moment. Xeelee series is understandable considering their way too advanced and same goes for the downstreamers. The culture would obviously lose simply put because they have very advanced A.I which Chaos can literally corrupt and screw them over big time and as for TimeLords, they'll struggle with the Necrons horribly, just like the Vex. And to those who thinks I'm fanboying I am not, I'm simply explaining logic and reasoning for these universes. The only one in the list that can truly beat 40k is the Xeelee series and the manifold series because the author purposely wanted to write a universe where humanity is at its peak of technology and become super advance which sounds cool, though obviously I prefer 40k because if one person is overpowered everyone is overpowered and also the lore from different race perspectives. Thank you and have a good day.
@@vothbetilia4862 ah, didn’t realise you edited your comment. I won’t really talk about Halo or Star Trek as I’m not a fan of either, I don’t really like Destiny much anymore but I used to be super into the lore damn, depending on your interpretation the vex are crazily OP. Destroying the galaxy wouldn’t really impact the vex as the universe is only one of a nigh infinite number they inhabit, I mean they have minds the size of galaxies. Yeah Xeelee and Downstreamers are my favourites and I agree. I can’t remember exactly how but I remember someone explaining how they could resist chaos corruption so I won’t go into that, the main reason that I and many others say they stomp however is because they’d simply be too fast for anything in 40k to react before everything in the galaxy is dead and the culture have already left. IIRC the Time Lords are super casual multiverse destroyers, but again, not a huge fan of these so won’t really speak on this. I personally prefer Xeelee and Manifold because I just love hard scifi.
Could you PLEASE continue this series. I really want someone to accurately compare all oft the Destiny enemies to Warhammer. Vex is who I would want next, but hive or taken would be fine.
Not to mention, cabal infantry have wrist mounted energy blades that can be launched, and have a delayed explosion. There's also the gladiators who just plow through shit with the cleaners, and the war hounds who have bullet proof hides, and can swarm
I’ve been thinking about this ever since delving into the lore of warhammer. The cabal are the closest to a warhammer faction I can think of. Other than the hive.
1:17 I thought the same thing too, but then you have characters like Consul, or any Cabal with their helmet fully off, and they survive very well on planets like Earth.
I imagine Orks would love to fight the Cabal head on and so would some of the bigger Cabal as well. Until they realize how much trouble the Orks are really worth and would eventually resort to blowing up the planet or the star system.
@@thorshammer7883 Imagine the Tyranids crossed with Chaos space marines. The Hive willingly take Parasitic worms into themselves that then demand an endless blood tithe in exchange for power. For a majority of the Hive this is just growing into larger forms starting from Thralls to Acolytes to either Knights or Wizards. Taking on the strengths and abilities of each morph as they grow. But as you start climbing into the named important ranks of the Hive that's where the reality bending powers really start showing up. Most importantly, Throne worlds. Throne Worlds act kind of like a personal warp realm for this important powerful Hive where they can essentially bend this slice of reality to their own rules rather than that of baseline reality. Secondly if this important Hive being dies outside of their Throne world they then just get thrown back into their Throne world to reform much like a Chaos demon reforming in the warp. So Orks verses the Hive would probably be just as bad or likely WORSE than Orks verses Nids. Imagine Octarious but each and every Tyranid is capable of higher thought and gets stronger chaos-esc (but not actually Chaos) powers the more they kill. Also the war could go several ways depending on which Hive god was in command of the Hive. Oryx the Taken King (assuming he's still alive for this comparison) could basically take half the Orks and turn them against the other half of the Orks by 'Taking' them. Taking being a process where a being is ripped out of baseline reality and reshaped by the darkness to be stronger in someway, typically by removing or cutting away a weakness the being had prior. This also of course removes the freewill of the thing being Taken. I assume a Taken Ork would be able to manifest WAAAAAAGHH powers by themselves rather than needing massed numbers to do so. Savathun the Witch Queen is basically T'zeetch in that she is the Hive god of Lies, trickery, deception and plots. But importantly unlike the warp spaghetti monster she can actually stand to have her plots come to their end and not keep going forever and ever. Now Savathun has two main iterations. First being her Darkness fueled self but the second being her after being reborn in the Light and her memories restored (Unwittingly) by the player. Savathun in her Light form would likely be the more dangerous one as the Light is what allows Guardians to be Guardians and thus is Savathun a Guardian and so to did she convince/trick Ghosts (Conduits for the Traveler's Light) to raise dead Hive as Guardians. Considering how Guardians are basically Custodians wielding space magic that makes them ungodly levels of dangerous. Savathun and her lucent brood likely being the ones that would actually wipe out the Orks in a war quite handily due to their ability to wield the Light. That and Savathun doing her usual schemes to turn the Orks against each other, granted that's not a hard thing to achieve either. Xivu Arath is the last Hive god and she is the simplest. Basically being the Khorne of the Hive. War war war everything is WAR. Xivu Arath going to war with the Orks would be the mostly likely to end in another Octarious situation as both sides just bash the hell out of each other growing ever stronger from all the ultra violence. Granted she is also the least fleshed out of the three Hive gods so there is room to expand.
@@thorshammer7883 Plus like orcs they can survive pretty much anywhere. From the moon, Wich now has a crack in it that's how much they've grown in. To even a frozen icecap of mars, Wich was artificially done by a machine. Though that was likely done via necromancy and that's a big no no in hive society.
there are trillions of cabal in the destiny 2 universe, they are the masters of an endless empire, and they claim to eat the mountains and drink the seas, they have defeated light-empowered gods before, they have unimaginable resources and the only thing that could f*ck with them is the chaos gods, and nobody likes chaos
the imperium might have a tactical and maybe even psychic advantage initially, but the sheer industrial might and scale of the Cabal is basically impossible to surmount. it would be like nazi germany vs the soviet union. a space marine could probably kill a cabal legionnaire but then he would get obliterated by 2 colossi and a turret. also psion flayers could probably navigate the warp if it came to that. guardians are overpowered as shit and the cabal still occupied their city
Why putting in the Cabal (a bit of Destiny's version of the Space Marines (even if its mostly us Guardians) ) in Warhammer 40K, when you can put in the Hive/Ascendant Hive, the Vex/Vex Network Vex Axis Minds, the Taken, and even the Darkness Itself? [Rhetorical] (Bonus: The Light/The Sky through the Traveler.)
Considering the Imperium has defeated enemies that destroy and warp time and space with like, a half dead space marine and two or three guardsman who have no idea what they're doing. Yeah, pretty much.
On the ground I gotta give it to the Cabal. There’s not enough Space Marines to take on the amount of cabal legionnaires. If a single Space Marine is comparable to let’s say about five legionnaires, the Imperium is in trouble. The Space Marines are going to be incredibly outnumbered. And as for the regular imperium infantry, they are fucked. Sorry. They may have the numbers advantage but they can’t even dent the Cabal infantry. The legionnaires are going to chew through Imperium infantry like they’re candy.
@syrienangel4137 Cabal are out of armor equal in size and weight to an Astartes, they wear denser armor and more efficient weapons than bolters as Slug throwers have a homing capacity and shields equal to ship armor they just tote around. And Cabal if they get prideful can get larger and stronger. Plus I give Cabal a strength edge as they are native to a high gravity world similar to Jupiter, aka a planet whose Gravity is strong enough to rain diamonds.
@@Mike-bf2be And Astartes are faster, smarter and are more agile than any Cabal Warrior. These guys can have centuries of marshal prowess. Not to mention the amount of different war doctrines, disciplines and training these madlads do on a daily bases. It takes only a handful of them to take over a planet. You've seen that in Dawn of War 2, Space Marine and even Bolter. One of these guys can be an entire Guardian fireteam all by themselves. Not to mention these guy would eat Cabal brains and immediately discern the Cabals weakness. Like I said, Astartes are built different.
No, I am watching the video and he ..well politely put, he simply doesn’t get the size of a Imperial task force, an that just one war front. his bit on the Titan is.... no just no he vastly under cuts them, even a war hound could destroy that supper tank, though that small Titan may be killed if they are as strong as he says. he under cuts the power of everything from the laz gun up, for example look at how a laz gun works the very gun he is using to kill them in the video is a joke compared to it, and yes the micro missile based guns are strong but comparing them in power to a bolt round... no you are talking about a gun with a much bigger calibre round that hits far harder. Though i think that the space ship stage has a point. But again numbers. The kabal could win every battle every encounter and make all the right moves, they are simply to small of a force. The imperium has killed many Xenos empires just as strong and stronger but they would be a good edition to the universe and a very fun army to play. With that I wish the space hippos well, welcome to the endless war.
@@mys6886 politely put, you don't understand the scale of destiny. The cabal he is talking about is one legion of the cabal forces. A traitor legion at that, that doesn't have the backing of the whole empire. And that super tank, was just the front end of it, it's many times larger than a warhound. And that "Laz gun" in the video is the Sleeper Simulant, it's a laz gun if an A.I, with the sole purpose of fighting wars designed a laz gun, It would vaporize a space marine in one shot. And a bolter and Skyburners oath are about on the same scale. Only if a bolter didn't only fire micro missiles but also micro missiles that were burning at temps to rival the surface of the sun. Solar energy can be a bitch. And that's cute, the Cabal has also fought and killed countless xeno empires and destroyed their suns when they were done.
@@egge6145 the Light is paracausal. The cabal couldn't put guardians down for good and not even the Vex network (a computer system that makes the cable's look like a see and say by comparison) couldn't simulate or account for the light. Guardians are one man armies, unless you have paracausal weaponry or the darkness intervenes, you aren't stopping a guardian.
I mean a couple things, but a regular rifle could kill a cabal in armour, just needs like most of a clip iirc. A lasgun has around a hundred shots, and on the absolutely low end hits as hard as a regular AK, higher end it hits about as hard as a 50 cal. I haven't seen cabal take heavy machine gun rounds, but unless they can face take them, theirs no reason the guard can't fight them. Not to mention the absolute variety of weapons and equipment we see the guard use. Also if we are going by video game logic, the cabal don't have interceptors, strike bombers or the like, so the guard would sweep until they can find a way to reverse engineer air power I guess
A regular rifle even a clip wouldn't, the first scripted cutscene of Destiny 2 has a Redjack robot full auto mag dump a Cabal soldier and even fire a burst of rounds point blank on the helmets and it doesn't even harm the soldier. Guardians get away with it because canonically in the lore their powers make guns hit harder.
I do know that the phalanx was said in the book "The Flight of the Eisenstein" that it could have once been a planetary moon or something of similar size
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Thank you very much, that honestly means a lot. ive wanted to revisit this series, but ive really fallen out of love with both bungie and games workshop being shitty to evil in their corporate doing and its been hard to separate the wonderful worlds they’ve created from their actions. That combined with life being a bit chaotic has prevented me from really focusing on youtube lately. Ive got some videos planned but planning is the easy part. Doings the tough part.
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If the cabal live for war, I'd love to see them interact with the orks of 40k. Both seem a perfect match for each other. Especially with the orks WAAAAAAAGGGHHHH psyche 🤣🤣
"Enemies of the Imperium, hear me. You have come here to die. The Immortal Emperor is with us and we are invincible. His soldiers will strike you down. His war machines will crush you under their treads. His mighty guns will bring the very sky crashing down upon you. You cannot win" - Governor-Militant Lukas Alexander
To the Almighty argument, the Necrons have the Celestial Orrery, which is basically a starmap of the whole galaxy, where a Necron with sufficient clearance can press an image corresponding to a star, and this causes it to go supernova. The Almighty still has to get to the sun at a system's core. The Necrons can wipe the whole system out with the press of a button without even needing to send something over there.
15:46 Cap. In “Know No Fear” Calth’s planetary guns are shot at the star which make it go supernova. Also, maybe they survive against the Imperium of Man for awhile, but the other races can slap back hard and pummel them. Chaos, necrons, and Orks being big contenders. Something sorely missed in this hypothetical is strategy used by space marines vs cabal. As you said, Cabal aren’t very smart so a smart marine can over power them. The cabal were eventually brought low in the newest lore to one apocalyptic event while the Imperium has gone through innumerable and come out on top. The Cabal might survive for awhile, but in the end I’d say they’d lose everything to the other factions.
No they would not, oh lordy loo they would not at all. Peace? No no the cabal don't even have a word for retreat, only one can rule and it won't be the Tau.
And since 2 year's Cabal have deploy another imperial land Tank on Nessus, and Caiatl ship (they where use by the Red Legion during red war when u leave the city you can see one of them in front of the traveler) Caiatl's ship can carry 2+ of these tank, and the cabal carrier that you speak who is way more smaller than these ship can carry 2 of them, so i think Caiatl flagship can carry 5 and that's massive. And only 5 of these ship are deployed on sol.
The Necrons also have a device that can cause starts to go supernova, it’s a map of the galaxy and they can just select a start on the map and cause it to go off. That being said they rarely use it
I'm very late to this video but something of note that I think should be brought up: all of the Cabal we fight in destiny 1 and 2 arnt even like new troops being sent from home world They are a "small Battalion of troops" that will not return home until their mission is done. We arnt even fighting the full might of the Cabal in both games. We are fighting a small group of them in comparison.
If you research what kind of Vex we fight in both games, and what types of Vex exists elsewhere, you'll find out that they are even more terrifying. Possibly rivaling the threat of the Black Fleet.
The Cabal eat the Mountains and drink the seas I think since we keep learning more and more about them in D2 as the seasons progress it would be a solid battle but the cabal would come out on top
They could survive but basically would be just as screwed as most factions, especially after finding and fighting the other races and threats. Definitely could see some un easy alliances
More to come, but I realised I needed to do more research into 40k if i wanted to do it justice. Thank you for your patience, and I hope you enjoy the content to come.
Which titan? There is various titans for various uses. If talking about the Land Tank Emporer titan can easily deal with it. Volcanoe Cannon Has the power to destroy it. As for the Leviathan There is a very easy way to deal with it. Vortex Torpedoes From the main armament. Even the regular shells from main the IoM ships have an explosion radius of 8,000 miles. They literally can't use their main weapon without destroying something critical or friendly fire which would lead to defeat instead of stalemate. As for the Star killers, remember those vortex torpedoes? They do have the capability to create a blackhole via warp shennanigans(I would say rare because much more interesting things can be done). The main thing though is the introduction of the warp to the star which is a bad combination, but not really their strongest weapon either. The strongest weapons are the forbidden weapons in the vaults underneath Mars and the Black vaults. One weapon that came from there was a gun that erased whatever it hit from existence. About the size of a Glock pistol, unlimited ammo, and able to erase anything of any size from existence. I think it was called the Eraser gun. That was just 1 weapon. There is multitudes of similar weapons there. The only one that is not is the Men of Iron. Doesn't matter if there is one that broken and non-functional it is better to destroy it at the quantum/sub-atomic scale just to be on the safe side. One of those things would destroy any faction in the Warhammer 40k or Destiny series. All those forbidden weapons was used to destroy the Men of Iron, and even then they barely survived. That is what lead to the Imperium of Man. Could even say the Imperium of Man is 1 billion times worse than the Dark Age of Technology of Mankind.
Everyone debating the space hulk of 40k and the thick boys with big guns in destiny: My brain what would happen if the vex creates a even better God engine 🤔🤔😬😬😬
I would say at their best, the Cabal would be able to hold their own against most convential armies due to superior stats and logistics, prime Eldar and Necrons would pose more of a challenge, but going up against Gods are more of a tricky area.
Especially when one of their own has been persuaded by a Hive God already. Imagine an even more powerful influence promising every one of your people to have their dreams and goals for power come true, and actually keeping their promise. It only takes *one* to say yes.
@@syrienangel4137 To be fair, they were already in a weakened state. but yeah, can't imagine any one of them, barring maybe Ghaul or Calus could be a challenge to those gods.
I think the cabal would be awesome in 40k. Theyd be the perfect opposite to the imperium. They are basically the same yet incredibly different. It be one of the few races the Imperium has to interact with as a peer advisary instead of the small blue guy with fast mech suits, or big dumb green people, ot undead robots Egyptians that had one looong nap, or magic elves that are much less numerous, and the sick; angry; horny; or confusing evil magic gods. The cabal would be a perfect race for 40k and any big fight between the cabal and imperium would probably result in mutual destruction, and if they arnt both destroyed, the winner would probably be so crippled that a sneeze coudl kill them. And i could imagine that depending on the threat, like possiblely chaos or the Tyranids the imperium and cabal might just form a very very uneasy truce. And well, even if just temporary, a truce between the cabal and the imperium wouldn't be good for anyone their fighting.
I'm sorry, the battlenet is gonna be useless against the Imperium, specifically the Astra Militarum. The Militarum overwhelms their opponents through sheer volume of fire. Oh, you made your armor better? Ok. We doubled our lasguns. You may die now.
@@LostEnding_ I think that's the other way around. Considering the Imperium owns at least have the galaxy. Their numbers alone would make the Hive blush.
@@syrienangel4137 then you realize the cabal and hive are intergalactic in size the fallen are the smallest race. Gotta remember what we see now are only fractions of the cabal fleets. Red legion was the most powerful but not the largest, caiatl’s fleet is the remnants of there home world and not to mention the hundreds of other worlds they own/owned. The hive have been around for billions of years xivu has war moons entire planets that are basically war ships.
@@syrienangel4137 yes but the orcs are In one galaxy, these fleets and the hive are scattered across the universe. The hive being literally the second largest behind the vex.
Honestly i think the cabal would be a great counter to the tyranids as well, their battle network could parry the nids own adaptation , i think you should make a video on that.
It's been stated in lore that an imperial Titan has taken out a manta in a one-on-one engagement. A Titan with 100% be able to take an imperial land tank in a one-on-one engagement
Cabal Drop pods... most deadly weapon in the whole universe.
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Can confirm. Bean killed numerous times by them
They one shot and they are unpredictable
@@gr8jason806 I fear no man but that thing..... it scares me
@@genericname42 at least they dont go near light speed.
The Cabal are basically the Imperium of the Destiny universe. Their weapons, basically Bolters. Their overall size, comparable to an Adeptus Astartes battle brother. Their armor, ornate and (sometimes) very shiny. Their emperor, revered as a god. Psions, similar to Imperial psychers and can act as a sort of midway between the average imperial guardsman. No joke, especially in this current season (at this point in time, season of the chosen) in the lore, Calus is in a version of this golden throne and almost dead. And they have NUMEROUS legions similar to the Astartes chapter hierarchy. (The red legion, the skyburners, the sand eaters, the dust giants, the siege dancers, the ice reapers, etc.) Seriously, the similarities between the two are dangerously close to being at a legitimate risk of plagiarism.
It’s called omage
You know there both models of Rome right?
Brother, those Xenos act and fight like us. I do not know how to feel about them
Gw has ripped off so much stuff that they're really not in a position to judge anyone about plagarism (Although they try).
Been thinking this for years.
Well, this puts a lot of emphasis on the fact that guardians, specifically titans, in destiny 1& 2, are freakishly strong. Because titans punch these things to death bare handed.
Yeah gardians would have 0 problems in the warhammer 40k universe 😅
@@dunbarconnor and dumbass halo fans say guardians are weak and fight weak enemies. I hate halo players, its why i stopped liking halo.
@@terrelldurocher3330 They say the same thing about Doom.
@@terrelldurocher3330 My friends and I had a discussion about how much a Titan's armor weighs. In Destiny 1, we got a hint from a pair of green boots that say quote, "A Titan's boots alone are heavy enough to crack concrete." At a minimum, their armor is 10 times heavier than a Spartan.
@@jwoods5690 Light is a hell of a steroid
Something I’d like to add; Emperor Calus (that lavish and spoiled neighbor) speaks of vault worlds which were dedicated to holding planet busting super weapons of varying nature.
Oh, THAT'S where Ghaul got the Almighty.
@@dedotrongames6402 his name is Gary!
@@armoreddragon0394 Gill... Glen... something with a G!
Computers? Oh no, you dont want those.
You get destroyed without protection.
As Empress Catal states, "We eat the mountains and drink the seas, we are the Cabal!" "
Thats no ordinary Space Rhino" as the late Cayde-6 states when talking about Arms dealer.
You may be a small channel, but I love how much research you do into this, alot less biased than the Forums I looked at.
All of my respect
In the EDZ up in the sunken isles where the Orobas Vectura is dry docked there’s a mountain that’s seemingly had a giant chunk taken out of it by the cabal to make room for the ship. They straight chopped up a MOUNTAIN to make parking easier.
Got a screenshot?
@@scott-gaming.8834 lore cards exists
Makes sense. In D1, Ghost mentions that the Cabal have been known to blow up entire planets simply because manoeuvring their fleets around them would have taken too long. Oh yeah, there was also that tidbit in the Red War about them trying to BLOW UP THE SUN!!! I don't think "subtlety" exists in the Cabal dictionary!
You don't know the motto of the cabal
We are the cabal we eat the mountains and drink the seas
A good quote to judge the cabal by is "They don't go around planets, they blow up the ones in their way" I don't remember the exact quote but that's what you need to know
It was ‘they blow up planets and moons just for getting in their way’ from the first Mars mission in destiny
4:08 Lets face it, we guardians all died to this at least once xD
I hate them so much
Every... god.... damn....DAY!! At LEAST 3 times.... I fucking hate those things...
Edit: and by at least 3 times, I mean at least 3 times per DAY.
Yeah.
Hey guys, suddenly here after season of the chosen drop pod meta? XD
The Cabal's tactics scare and confuse me.
It's also worth mentioning the Cabal are stated to destroy entire planets and moons just because they're in the way and don't feel like steering the ship around it.
Hold my beer. The dreadnaught cleared a hole in the rings of Saturn.
and if the dreadnoughts reactor gose nova it takes the whole system mind you. the cabal were about to do that before we stopped them. Also they have many words for advance but none for retreat.
Arebider and when that failed they’re trying to ram the bloody ship in the planet.
@@masterofthelyokianmonsters2886 They cut up a mountain to make parking easier.
@@AREB1DER people keep forgetting That a group of advanced psion’s can throw fucking moons. The red legion hadn’t lost a single war up until they tried to take earth.
Y'all seem to be confused.
1. The dreadnought was ORYX'S ship. His little bit of the ascendant plane dragged into the physical world.
2. The dreadnought isn't what destroys systems. That's Ghaul's allmighty.
Fuck it, just gimme a Destiny themed tabletop war game.
Keep your ear to the ground, i have something in the works
@@Avyon404 Please share.
@@leftwardglobe1643 ni
According to Cayde-6: "You know, when they (the Cabal Legions) go to war, they're kicked out of the empire (Cabal empire)? Yep! Victory is the only way they get to go home. Not a lot of people know that~"
Best of luck to you Space Marines out there, because the Cabal won't leave the Imperium and all others in Warhammer 40K alone until they get their 'victory'.
However, if they do loose then they would retreat grudgingly.... *Right After They Blow Up Your Entire Star System, Due To Them Aren't Able To Conquer It...*
Astartes won't retreat until they gain the victory
Cayde Six Only the Red Legion has the machinery that can blow up stars.
the cabal have no words for retreat
That's fine I'm sure the Astartes have plenty of bolt rounds for each happy little hippo.
They use other technology to, their tactic to take on another ship thats stronger than they are, is to crash their own ship into the bigger one to create a beachhead, then they'll storm their way to the engine room and blow it up, escaping in their own ship of course, doing so in the game would have destroyed the solar system
The whole "God himself egging your house," shit got me.
Honestly the cabal have always reminded me of the Imperium, I would love to see them clash.
The cabal come from torobotl, and Calus was spared for 2 reasons, the emperor was insanely popular and killing him and all of his loyalists in mass or leaving them suffer would be a bad look for the coup taking place. Number 2, as much as she hated to admit it Caiatl to an extent deeply cared for Calus and didn't want to watch him die, so instead she set him up to live a reasonably long and peaceful life with his loyalists to avoid executing him, she spared him. And the reason they were given weapons was to defend themselves should they be invaded or under attack, the ship ate planets to sustain it's self and keep the life support aboard afloat
You forgot one miniscule detail the cabal currently are growing their army with clones that don't require training and are full size in ridiculously short time Calus used a lot of this clones to grow the egregore on his ship (egregore is basically a fungus that feeds of dead sapient beings)
Clone represant 25% of Calus army in Lightfall, every Cabal you fight are just Caiatl desertor, and since we just blow up the Shadow legion and the fact that Clone are heresy in the eye's of Caiatl Empire they are no longer produce. And now Caiatl have better, she have us.
Ridiculous is right... Iirc the "Bathers" from the Leviathan Raid were flash cloned on the spot during the encounter. 800 pounds of angry, axe wielding Space Hippo created from goop and imbued with all the combat knowledge it needs in less than a minute.
Cabal meets orkz
Orkz:Hehe moleman
Cabal:the hell I killed you 8000 times how are you still able to fight
THA FUNNI MOLEMANS BACK FOR THA GUD FOIT 🗣️🔥
You forgot about the Psion Flayers' capabilities after mentioning the Psions.
When it comes to the Cabal Empires achievements from least to greatest from a planetary scale and there reasons for doing so they are powerful.
The Psion Flayers tossing moons while only being part of a scout fleet(meaning that there are plenty more of them); having fleets that crack surfaces of planets;
destroying moons into rings of ruin ;eat planets whole with the leviathan ;blow up planets for just being in the way
;and blow up stars not just because of strategic importance but to simply blow them up to make the galaxy prettier to look at from what Emperor Calus says ,which in of itself is a show of power.
All of that and the fact that they are a Galactic Empire that rage war with the Hive who have there own list of achievements that makes them even more terrifying including the fact that they are intergalactic with there war moons and tomb worlds chasing the Traveler through an unknown amount of galaxies destroying countless civilizations that were more or less the same strength if not greater thanks to the Traveler.
All of this while the Cabal were having a coup and being raided by "pirates" which could be just referring to the fallen or a number of races that became pirates.
If it were to be just the fallen then it kinda shows that the fallen was actually a big enough threat to a powerful Galactic Empire that blowed up stars ,which may imply that the Eliksni ,at there height, with there multiple systems, emphasizes that there populations they once had was notable enough to be a threat even before there fall. Then we include the fact that they might have been much larger when there was more either.
@@godofallrealities51 I don't know... [Shrugged] I always pictured the Golden Age Eliksni to focused mainly on their homeworld, not much with the other planetary bodies of their System (unlike Holden Age Humanity), and before they even knew it the Darkness arrived.
@@CaptainPilipinas True, I don't know if the pirates that Calus talk about was just Fallen or a group of multiple species but at least we can be certain that the "wizards" that he mentioned were the hive at the very least.
@@CaptainPilipinas
It's odd how that each faction basically can be listed weakest to strongest by there stage that each faction is in.
The fallen: single system or multi system
The Cabal: a Galactic Empire
The Hive: Intergalactic crusaders
The vex: multiversal computer hivemind (multiversal as in multiple timelines)
The Cabal alone sounds tough enough to me to survive Warhammer 40k but the last two would probably thrive in the warhammer setting. The Hive thriving with there crusades and vex probably not caring about there enemies but filled with the desire to study everything that is going on . This would include paracausal powers like the light, darkness, and the power, forces and the gods of chaos.
@@godofallrealities51 Oh he's encountered them before (although I only heard through a video when he was toying around with the Device that lets him see things into the future and the past. One of them he mentions a 'king' (Oryx) ruling over his 'people' (Hive) and they were surviving (the Worms inside them) out in the universe).
The cabal drop pod is by far the most dangerous thing in destiny they just shoot their troops out of a cannon
I'd love to see more videos like this. I'm honestly surprised that there aren't more universe vs videos involving Destiny.
Either fanboyism/girlism towards their non-Destiny franchises (no offense) or just can't understand much of the Lore in it.
I've seen a lot of them with Destiny vs (or teaming up with) other Fictional Medias, and it doesn't end well for us Guardians due to *Them* comparing theirs with us in gameplay-wise.......Mostly. [Sighing In Sadness]
Cayde Six well technically guardians can’t die unless we get hit with sorrow weapons
Jeremiah Duran or other paracausal weapons.
Can you do the vex next, I would love to know how the vex and necrons would interact and see eachother.
that's the plan. :)
@@Avyon404 still waiting
Do vex please
Hey you doing any more of these videos? Just wondering. Could be interesting to see Hive, Vex and Guardians.
someones already done guardians.
I wanna see the hive
@@gjallarhorn4534 well now we will
I could see TTS episode on the Cabal.
Someone said that the imperial land tank is around two thousand feet tall. Imperial titans don't often breach two hundred feet tall. Meaning the tank can probably roll over an entire legion of them.
I think this is one of the very few sci fi factions that could actually take on 40K, which is pretty impressive.
There are tonnes of sci fi factions that could destroy 40k, I love it but it isn’t that powerful. I have a Reddit post (not for this reason) which has a list of races all of which could solo 40k: www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/li8sre/could_anything_beat_this_alliance/?
@@detonater7441 Halo can still be beated by 40k, star trek is debatable. The vex can easily be countered by the Necrons for they also have time travel and has a device that can literally destroy the galaxy at will, but only at a very very very high problematic moment. Xeelee series is understandable considering their way too advanced and same goes for the downstreamers. The culture would obviously lose simply put because they have very advanced A.I which Chaos can literally corrupt and screw them over big time and as for TimeLords, they'll struggle with the Necrons horribly, just like the Vex.
And to those who thinks I'm fanboying I am not, I'm simply explaining logic and reasoning for these universes. The only one in the list that can truly beat 40k is the Xeelee series and the manifold series because the author purposely wanted to write a universe where humanity is at its peak of technology and become super advance which sounds cool, though obviously I prefer 40k because if one person is overpowered everyone is overpowered and also the lore from different race perspectives. Thank you and have a good day.
@@vothbetilia4862 I disagree but I’m not really a fan of either
@@detonater7441 I disagree your disagree.
@@vothbetilia4862 ah, didn’t realise you edited your comment. I won’t really talk about Halo or Star Trek as I’m not a fan of either, I don’t really like Destiny much anymore but I used to be super into the lore damn, depending on your interpretation the vex are crazily OP. Destroying the galaxy wouldn’t really impact the vex as the universe is only one of a nigh infinite number they inhabit, I mean they have minds the size of galaxies.
Yeah Xeelee and Downstreamers are my favourites and I agree.
I can’t remember exactly how but I remember someone explaining how they could resist chaos corruption so I won’t go into that, the main reason that I and many others say they stomp however is because they’d simply be too fast for anything in 40k to react before everything in the galaxy is dead and the culture have already left.
IIRC the Time Lords are super casual multiverse destroyers, but again, not a huge fan of these so won’t really speak on this.
I personally prefer Xeelee and Manifold because I just love hard scifi.
Hey you doing more of these this was really fun to watch
Yes I absolutely am. I got super busy with a new job, but I’m hoping to have a new video out soon.
@@Avyon404yay sounds good and good luck with your new job
I seriously love that Claus analogy, these compariso videos are great dude :)
Could you PLEASE continue this series. I really want someone to accurately compare all oft the Destiny enemies to Warhammer. Vex is who I would want next, but hive or taken would be fine.
Wouldnt the Taken technically be part of the Hive? Oryx was the one who first introduced them to the universe and control them.
Not to mention, cabal infantry have wrist mounted energy blades that can be launched, and have a delayed explosion. There's also the gladiators who just plow through shit with the cleaners, and the war hounds who have bullet proof hides, and can swarm
I’ve been thinking about this ever since delving into the lore of warhammer. The cabal are the closest to a warhammer faction I can think of. Other than the hive.
The vex are literally just pure ai necrons
1:17 I thought the same thing too, but then you have characters like Consul, or any Cabal with their helmet fully off, and they survive very well on planets like Earth.
i think they slowly train themselves to earths pressure, or bungie forgot that they cant survive without pressure suits lol
This was a really good video! Please keep doing them
And I acc pissed myself, you’re a funny man who gets his facts right. Good job.
I imagine Orks would love to fight the Cabal head on and so would some of the bigger Cabal as well. Until they realize how much trouble the Orks are really worth and would eventually resort to blowing up the planet or the star system.
The Orks and the Hive fighting would be surely a hella of a sight, unending war from neither side
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I don't know what strengths the Hive may have.
@@thorshammer7883 Imagine the Tyranids crossed with Chaos space marines. The Hive willingly take Parasitic worms into themselves that then demand an endless blood tithe in exchange for power. For a majority of the Hive this is just growing into larger forms starting from Thralls to Acolytes to either Knights or Wizards. Taking on the strengths and abilities of each morph as they grow.
But as you start climbing into the named important ranks of the Hive that's where the reality bending powers really start showing up. Most importantly, Throne worlds. Throne Worlds act kind of like a personal warp realm for this important powerful Hive where they can essentially bend this slice of reality to their own rules rather than that of baseline reality. Secondly if this important Hive being dies outside of their Throne world they then just get thrown back into their Throne world to reform much like a Chaos demon reforming in the warp.
So Orks verses the Hive would probably be just as bad or likely WORSE than Orks verses Nids. Imagine Octarious but each and every Tyranid is capable of higher thought and gets stronger chaos-esc (but not actually Chaos) powers the more they kill. Also the war could go several ways depending on which Hive god was in command of the Hive.
Oryx the Taken King (assuming he's still alive for this comparison) could basically take half the Orks and turn them against the other half of the Orks by 'Taking' them. Taking being a process where a being is ripped out of baseline reality and reshaped by the darkness to be stronger in someway, typically by removing or cutting away a weakness the being had prior. This also of course removes the freewill of the thing being Taken. I assume a Taken Ork would be able to manifest WAAAAAAGHH powers by themselves rather than needing massed numbers to do so.
Savathun the Witch Queen is basically T'zeetch in that she is the Hive god of Lies, trickery, deception and plots. But importantly unlike the warp spaghetti monster she can actually stand to have her plots come to their end and not keep going forever and ever. Now Savathun has two main iterations. First being her Darkness fueled self but the second being her after being reborn in the Light and her memories restored (Unwittingly) by the player. Savathun in her Light form would likely be the more dangerous one as the Light is what allows Guardians to be Guardians and thus is Savathun a Guardian and so to did she convince/trick Ghosts (Conduits for the Traveler's Light) to raise dead Hive as Guardians. Considering how Guardians are basically Custodians wielding space magic that makes them ungodly levels of dangerous. Savathun and her lucent brood likely being the ones that would actually wipe out the Orks in a war quite handily due to their ability to wield the Light. That and Savathun doing her usual schemes to turn the Orks against each other, granted that's not a hard thing to achieve either.
Xivu Arath is the last Hive god and she is the simplest. Basically being the Khorne of the Hive. War war war everything is WAR. Xivu Arath going to war with the Orks would be the mostly likely to end in another Octarious situation as both sides just bash the hell out of each other growing ever stronger from all the ultra violence. Granted she is also the least fleshed out of the three Hive gods so there is room to expand.
@@dylan8193
Are they powerful enough and have the numbers nessesary to with stand the huge fleets and numbers of troops the Warhammer 40k verse has?
@@thorshammer7883 Plus like orcs they can survive pretty much anywhere. From the moon, Wich now has a crack in it that's how much they've grown in. To even a frozen icecap of mars, Wich was artificially done by a machine. Though that was likely done via necromancy and that's a big no no in hive society.
I subscribe. I like how you have preferences but you actually analyze stuff to reach a fairly decent conclusion.
I never knew I needed this before I saw this video, honestly that fight sounds dope as hell
Key word is sounds
detonater7
Awww come on man, it be a _little_ cool
Erwin Montag yes
detonater7
:D
there are trillions of cabal in the destiny 2 universe, they are the masters of an endless empire, and they claim to eat the mountains and drink the seas, they have defeated light-empowered gods before, they have unimaginable resources and the only thing that could f*ck with them is the chaos gods, and nobody likes chaos
the imperium might have a tactical and maybe even psychic advantage initially, but the sheer industrial might and scale of the Cabal is basically impossible to surmount. it would be like nazi germany vs the soviet union. a space marine could probably kill a cabal legionnaire but then he would get obliterated by 2 colossi and a turret. also psion flayers could probably navigate the warp if it came to that. guardians are overpowered as shit and the cabal still occupied their city
Why putting in the Cabal (a bit of Destiny's version of the Space Marines (even if its mostly us Guardians) ) in Warhammer 40K, when you can put in the Hive/Ascendant Hive, the Vex/Vex Network Vex Axis Minds, the Taken, and even the Darkness Itself? [Rhetorical]
(Bonus: The Light/The Sky through the Traveler.)
because its easier to simulate soemthing that is bounded by the laws of physics
The Darkness would be far more threatening than anything in 40k and we know nothing about it besides it decimating most of the galaxy
@@gabricaroasabedoria7867 fair enough.
@@Mike-bf2be your comment I can't see appearing well much from the refreshes. just a heads-up.
@@Mike-bf2be No. casually whole [Flowers] the *[Enemy]* does in destroying.
We eat the mountains! We drink the seas! We are Cabal!!
Imperium has to much plot armor.
Kriegsman Hold my beer. Calus could send his armies of his mega robots and ruin them.
Especially the ultra marines
Considering the Imperium has defeated enemies that destroy and warp time and space with like, a half dead space marine and two or three guardsman who have no idea what they're doing. Yeah, pretty much.
Really awesome content. I'm surprised you don't have WAY more subs. You definitely deserve it.
On the ground I gotta give it to the Cabal. There’s not enough Space Marines to take on the amount of cabal legionnaires. If a single Space Marine is comparable to let’s say about five legionnaires, the Imperium is in trouble. The Space Marines are going to be incredibly outnumbered. And as for the regular imperium infantry, they are fucked. Sorry. They may have the numbers advantage but they can’t even dent the Cabal infantry. The legionnaires are going to chew through Imperium infantry like they’re candy.
Yeah they never stop coming they are relentless as hell and determined
A single Legionaire is equal to an Astartes
@@Mike-bf2be I don't know about that, Astartes are just built different.
@syrienangel4137 Cabal are out of armor equal in size and weight to an Astartes, they wear denser armor and more efficient weapons than bolters as Slug throwers have a homing capacity and shields equal to ship armor they just tote around. And Cabal if they get prideful can get larger and stronger. Plus I give Cabal a strength edge as they are native to a high gravity world similar to Jupiter, aka a planet whose Gravity is strong enough to rain diamonds.
@@Mike-bf2be And Astartes are faster, smarter and are more agile than any Cabal Warrior. These guys can have centuries of marshal prowess. Not to mention the amount of different war doctrines, disciplines and training these madlads do on a daily bases. It takes only a handful of them to take over a planet. You've seen that in Dawn of War 2, Space Marine and even Bolter. One of these guys can be an entire Guardian fireteam all by themselves. Not to mention these guy would eat Cabal brains and immediately discern the Cabals weakness.
Like I said, Astartes are built different.
FINALLY! A universe to rival 40K!!
No, I am watching the video and he ..well politely put, he simply doesn’t get the size of a Imperial task force, an that just one war front. his bit on the Titan is.... no just no he vastly under cuts them, even a war hound could destroy that supper tank, though that small Titan may be killed if they are as strong as he says.
he under cuts the power of everything from the laz gun up, for example look at how a laz gun works the very gun he is using to kill them in the video is a joke compared to it, and yes the micro missile based guns are strong but comparing them in power to a bolt round... no you are talking about a gun with a much bigger calibre round that hits far harder.
Though i think that the space ship stage has a point. But again numbers. The kabal could win every battle every encounter and make all the right moves, they are simply to small of a force. The imperium has killed many Xenos empires just as strong and stronger but they would be a good edition to the universe and a very fun army to play. With that I wish the space hippos well, welcome to the endless war.
@@mys6886 politely put, you don't understand the scale of destiny. The cabal he is talking about is one legion of the cabal forces. A traitor legion at that, that doesn't have the backing of the whole empire. And that super tank, was just the front end of it, it's many times larger than a warhound. And that "Laz gun" in the video is the Sleeper Simulant, it's a laz gun if an A.I, with the sole purpose of fighting wars designed a laz gun, It would vaporize a space marine in one shot. And a bolter and Skyburners oath are about on the same scale. Only if a bolter didn't only fire micro missiles but also micro missiles that were burning at temps to rival the surface of the sun. Solar energy can be a bitch.
And that's cute, the Cabal has also fought and killed countless xeno empires and destroyed their suns when they were done.
@@Sceth bro you realize the Cabal is a cheap rip-off of the Imperium of Man right?
Hahahahaha not at all. I'm sorry. But not even close my friend
@@geargrinder7714 in what way? They're both Empires with a ton of power? Lmao
What they can't conquer, they destroy.
well the red legion tried and failed...immensely
@@egge6145 the Light is paracausal. The cabal couldn't put guardians down for good and not even the Vex network (a computer system that makes the cable's look like a see and say by comparison) couldn't simulate or account for the light. Guardians are one man armies, unless you have paracausal weaponry or the darkness intervenes, you aren't stopping a guardian.
@@mocha9072 I know...it's just the red legion came incredibly close to killing off humanity and failed miserably
@@egge6145 only because the traveler intervened. I'm just saying instead of being a mark against the cabal it shows how stupid powerful guardians are.
I mean a couple things, but a regular rifle could kill a cabal in armour, just needs like most of a clip iirc.
A lasgun has around a hundred shots, and on the absolutely low end hits as hard as a regular AK, higher end it hits about as hard as a 50 cal.
I haven't seen cabal take heavy machine gun rounds, but unless they can face take them, theirs no reason the guard can't fight them.
Not to mention the absolute variety of weapons and equipment we see the guard use. Also if we are going by video game logic, the cabal don't have interceptors, strike bombers or the like, so the guard would sweep until they can find a way to reverse engineer air power I guess
A regular rifle even a clip wouldn't, the first scripted cutscene of Destiny 2 has a Redjack robot full auto mag dump a Cabal soldier and even fire a burst of rounds point blank on the helmets and it doesn't even harm the soldier.
Guardians get away with it because canonically in the lore their powers make guns hit harder.
Everything has scanners.
The mechanicus:we'll just fuck that with the nooshere.
On an aircraft carrier fully stocked ... Bro 😂 it's called Calus' personal pleasure barge
That eats planet to fill its gas tank.
7:09 couldn't even tell that was a megabloks figure at first. Quality through the roof.
The Cabal dont have a word for retreat in there native language.
They also have like 6 different words for attack
“The” Almighty?
*laughs in Cabal*
"We are Cabal, we eat the mountains, we drink the seas"
I do know that the phalanx was said in the book "The Flight of the Eisenstein" that it could have once been a planetary moon or something of similar size
hey man this video is fire. i went your channel and understand creating certain content is probably stressful sometimes so i just wanted to let you know this shit was great and we need more youtubers like you tbh
Thank you very much, that honestly means a lot. ive wanted to revisit this series, but ive really fallen out of love with both bungie and games workshop being shitty to evil in their corporate doing and its been hard to separate the wonderful worlds they’ve created from their actions.
That combined with life being a bit chaotic has prevented me from really focusing on youtube lately.
Ive got some videos planned but planning is the easy part. Doings the tough part.
@@Avyon404 you got it bro. i just started playing destiny 2 with my bro and got all the dlcs😂but you got a sub from me. gonna watch the other vids you got. all support🫡
HIPPITY HOPPITY ITS A BLOOD BATH
KORNE: YES! YES! MORE DESTRUCTION MORE!
Hive: 🗡️🌝 hola
If the cabal live for war, I'd love to see them interact with the orks of 40k. Both seem a perfect match for each other. Especially with the orks WAAAAAAAGGGHHHH psyche 🤣🤣
"WE ARE CABAL WE EAT THE MOUNTAINS WE DRINK THE SEAS" - Empress Cital
"Enemies of the Imperium, hear me. You have come here to die. The Immortal Emperor is with us and we are invincible. His soldiers will strike you down. His war machines will crush you under their treads. His mighty guns will bring the very sky crashing down upon you. You cannot win" - Governor-Militant Lukas Alexander
at 7:50 he said they see into the future a bit but they don't see the bolt from my gun
A wall of Imperial Fist Breaches meet a wall of Cabal Phalanxes: Who wins?
Phalanxes no doubt
Imperial Fists. You just can't breach them
Basically, anybody who can face the cabal could stand up in the 40k universe
To the Almighty argument, the Necrons have the Celestial Orrery, which is basically a starmap of the whole galaxy, where a Necron with sufficient clearance can press an image corresponding to a star, and this causes it to go supernova. The Almighty still has to get to the sun at a system's core. The Necrons can wipe the whole system out with the press of a button without even needing to send something over there.
15:46 Cap. In “Know No Fear” Calth’s planetary guns are shot at the star which make it go supernova. Also, maybe they survive against the Imperium of Man for awhile, but the other races can slap back hard and pummel them. Chaos, necrons, and Orks being big contenders. Something sorely missed in this hypothetical is strategy used by space marines vs cabal. As you said, Cabal aren’t very smart so a smart marine can over power them. The cabal were eventually brought low in the newest lore to one apocalyptic event while the Imperium has gone through innumerable and come out on top. The Cabal might survive for awhile, but in the end I’d say they’d lose everything to the other factions.
The Almighty works by entangling and disrupting a star's magnetic field, which halts the nuclear fusion - not by injecting iron.
The Tau and Cabal would become friends. Piece for the empire, dominion over the universe.
No they would not, oh lordy loo they would not at all. Peace? No no the cabal don't even have a word for retreat, only one can rule and it won't be the Tau.
And since 2 year's Cabal have deploy another imperial land Tank on Nessus, and Caiatl ship (they where use by the Red Legion during red war when u leave the city you can see one of them in front of the traveler) Caiatl's ship can carry 2+ of these tank, and the cabal carrier that you speak who is way more smaller than these ship can carry 2 of them, so i think Caiatl flagship can carry 5 and that's massive. And only 5 of these ship are deployed on sol.
I remember the first time i saw the cabal my immediate thought was oh no im fighting space marines.
The Necrons also have a device that can cause starts to go supernova, it’s a map of the galaxy and they can just select a start on the map and cause it to go off. That being said they rarely use it
The celestial orrery belonging to the Thanatos dynasty.
It’s a pretty neat bit of tech, and it’s a good thing it’s dynasty doesn’t abuse it.
The cabal also have frigates and cruisers in quite numerous numbers, so they may stand a better chance in space than initially stated.
And now their our good friends
And then the Necrons came along
Then ain't surviving my guardian🙏💀
@@incognitomode9393 After an uncountable amount of "Guardian Downs" after being one hit by everything.
"All right, I'm going back to Helldivers"
Before I watch...
Yeah... Probably. The Cabal are literally built like a 40K faction.
If memory serves, Necrons has the ability not only blow up, but flat out eat stars.
That’s less powerful, blowing up a star destroys the whole star system.
Not just that, turn them into Black Holes and use them as basketballs across the galatical court.
While it seems like who would win is kinda up for debate, one thing is certain. It would be *fucking awesome* to watch.
The head explosion was conceived when destiny was going to be M rated it was retconned and is now oil.
seeing those white ammo bricks is giving me ptsd
Avyon describing the cabal planet:
Me: Hmm sounds like home.
Used skyburner’s oath a while back and I kept calling it a boltgun and didn’t realize how accurate that comparison was
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I'm calm
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS 😡
I'm very late to this video but something of note that I think should be brought up: all of the Cabal we fight in destiny 1 and 2 arnt even like new troops being sent from home world
They are a "small Battalion of troops" that will not return home until their mission is done. We arnt even fighting the full might of the Cabal in both games. We are fighting a small group of them in comparison.
If you research what kind of Vex we fight in both games, and what types of Vex exists elsewhere, you'll find out that they are even more terrifying. Possibly rivaling the threat of the Black Fleet.
cabal can kill guardians if they know what they are doing and guardians are legit OP
The Cabal eat the Mountains and drink the seas I think since we keep learning more and more about them in D2 as the seasons progress it would be a solid battle but the cabal would come out on top
They could survive but basically would be just as screwed as most factions, especially after finding and fighting the other races and threats. Definitely could see some un easy alliances
I wish you could do more destiny vs warhammer40k stuff it was some of the best I've seen you really know both universes and make good videos
More to come, but I realised I needed to do more research into 40k if i wanted to do it justice. Thank you for your patience, and I hope you enjoy the content to come.
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Which titan? There is various titans for various uses. If talking about the Land Tank Emporer titan can easily deal with it. Volcanoe Cannon Has the power to destroy it.
As for the Leviathan There is a very easy way to deal with it. Vortex Torpedoes From the main armament. Even the regular shells from main the IoM ships have an explosion radius of 8,000 miles. They literally can't use their main weapon without destroying something critical or friendly fire which would lead to defeat instead of stalemate.
As for the Star killers, remember those vortex torpedoes? They do have the capability to create a blackhole via warp shennanigans(I would say rare because much more interesting things can be done). The main thing though is the introduction of the warp to the star which is a bad combination, but not really their strongest weapon either.
The strongest weapons are the forbidden weapons in the vaults underneath Mars and the Black vaults. One weapon that came from there was a gun that erased whatever it hit from existence. About the size of a Glock pistol, unlimited ammo, and able to erase anything of any size from existence. I think it was called the Eraser gun.
That was just 1 weapon. There is multitudes of similar weapons there. The only one that is not is the Men of Iron. Doesn't matter if there is one that broken and non-functional it is better to destroy it at the quantum/sub-atomic scale just to be on the safe side. One of those things would destroy any faction in the Warhammer 40k or Destiny series.
All those forbidden weapons was used to destroy the Men of Iron, and even then they barely survived. That is what lead to the Imperium of Man. Could even say the Imperium of Man is 1 billion times worse than the Dark Age of Technology of Mankind.
the way they were... yes
the way they are now
definitely not
Xivu aurath destroyed their capital and many of their worlds
They control 2 other galaxies
Everyone debating the space hulk of 40k and the thick boys with big guns in destiny:
My brain what would happen if the vex creates a even better God engine 🤔🤔😬😬😬
Wonder what happens when/ if the cabal meet the kabal...
Cue Spider-Man /alpha legion meme
I would say at their best, the Cabal would be able to hold their own against most convential armies due to superior stats and logistics, prime Eldar and Necrons would pose more of a challenge, but going up against Gods are more of a tricky area.
Especially when one of their own has been persuaded by a Hive God already. Imagine an even more powerful influence promising every one of your people to have their dreams and goals for power come true, and actually keeping their promise. It only takes *one* to say yes.
@@syrienangel4137 To be fair, they were already in a weakened state. but yeah, can't imagine any one of them, barring maybe Ghaul or Calus could be a challenge to those gods.
They wouldn't survive...THEY WOULD THRIVE
I think the cabal would be awesome in 40k. Theyd be the perfect opposite to the imperium. They are basically the same yet incredibly different. It be one of the few races the Imperium has to interact with as a peer advisary instead of the small blue guy with fast mech suits, or big dumb green people, ot undead robots Egyptians that had one looong nap, or magic elves that are much less numerous, and the sick; angry; horny; or confusing evil magic gods. The cabal would be a perfect race for 40k and any big fight between the cabal and imperium would probably result in mutual destruction, and if they arnt both destroyed, the winner would probably be so crippled that a sneeze coudl kill them. And i could imagine that depending on the threat, like possiblely chaos or the Tyranids the imperium and cabal might just form a very very uneasy truce. And well, even if just temporary, a truce between the cabal and the imperium wouldn't be good for anyone their fighting.
I love that the cabal are just space marines but obese
I would also like to point out that yes the Leviathan is around 720 km long, however the failings from Warhammer 40K is almost double its size
So they basically made the space marines hippos and pod dropped them into destiny.
You forgot to mention that the Cabal language has six words for advance, and none for retreat.
I'm sorry, the battlenet is gonna be useless against the Imperium, specifically the Astra Militarum. The Militarum overwhelms their opponents through sheer volume of fire. Oh, you made your armor better? Ok. We doubled our lasguns. You may die now.
The cabal would compensate even further, the emporium would eventually be overrun due to the sheer size of the cabal empire
@@LostEnding_ I think that's the other way around. Considering the Imperium owns at least have the galaxy. Their numbers alone would make the Hive blush.
@@syrienangel4137 then you realize the cabal and hive are intergalactic in size the fallen are the smallest race. Gotta remember what we see now are only fractions of the cabal fleets. Red legion was the most powerful but not the largest, caiatl’s fleet is the remnants of there home world and not to mention the hundreds of other worlds they own/owned. The hive have been around for billions of years xivu has war moons entire planets that are basically war ships.
@LostEnding_ ...you make it sound like it's supposed to be threatening. That's like a modern 40k Ork problem on a discount Tuesday.
@@syrienangel4137 yes but the orcs are In one galaxy, these fleets and the hive are scattered across the universe. The hive being literally the second largest behind the vex.
Man, i woud love to see a vidio about the vex or the hive to see if they would survive
The Cabal when they try blowing up a star a little too close to a certain Necron dynasty
If these guys can survive a supernova it's over for whatever back from the fighting off against except for Guardians
Honestly i think the cabal would be a great counter to the tyranids as well, their battle network could parry the nids own adaptation , i think you should make a video on that.
It's been stated in lore that an imperial Titan has taken out a manta in a one-on-one engagement. A Titan with 100% be able to take an imperial land tank in a one-on-one engagement