Music: The Profound Mystery Humans Need to Survive...and It's dying | The Meaning of Music Pt. 1
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- Опубліковано 31 сер 2023
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Ever notice how everyone seems to love music, but no one really knows why? "It makes me feel good." Yes, but WHY does it make us feel good? What fundamental part of our MEANING does music touch within us? Today we start with Part 1 of a video series dissecting Leonid Perlovsky's book "Music, Passion and Cognitive Function" and his theory for why musical ability evolved in humans, and why it means so much to us.
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I have epilepsy, and I've had more than 1 doctor tell me spending my time playing music is the best thing for me.
I had uncontrollable epilepsy prior to brain surgery at 20. Music is the main thing that helped me deal with the seizures themselves, as well as the emotional and psychological weight that came with them. Best wishes to you on your journey dealing with epilepsy!
Yep! Way ahead of your time! Keep it up kid! Im a subscriber for a reason! Im 51 and proud that my time protecting the constitution was not a loss. I found you as a suggestion because of UA-cam algorithm. I stayed! Music. Food. Human need ARE UNIVERSAL! We are ALL the SAME! God bless you for your journey into knowledge!
This is the last video I expected to be made by Mike, but it's great!!
Thanks man 🙏 would really prefer to make more content like this, but it takes forever and the views are trash lol.
David Byrnes book called How Music Works is also a great read. It talks about how Music is a subject of its environment. (at least the biggening parts that I read, I loaned it from someone). just as Stadium Rock used lots of open chords so it doesn't sound muffled from the reverb, you see that process everywhere else too. Modern Pop with Headphones, Classical Music and Concert Halls, African Rythems and the outdoors, etc. He also said the setting in which we consume it matters. You might not enjoy a hip hop song in headphones lying on your bed, but in the setting and context of the club, its very different.
He's 1000% correct! Circumstances greatly affect what kind of music we make and enjoy. It's pretty wild stuff!
@@BecomeTheKnightI've experienced this in profound ways with live music vs. studio recordings. Sometimes a song or even a whole band that I didn't really like becomes something completely different and much more amazing when I hear it live. For instance, I was never a fan of Mastodon until I saw them live for the first time, when they played with Opeth in Salt Lake City, a couple of years ago. From that moment on, they were transformed into a completely different band to my ears, so that even when I went back and relistened to studio recordings, it was as if I was hearing them for the first time, and this time, it clicked! They're now among my all-time favorite artists.
Wow, Mike. I really recognize the amount work, thought, passion, and emotion that went into this video and the upcoming series. Bravo, and I'm here for the journey.
This was very insightful! It's a shame it doesn't have more views. I really appreciate the time, passion, and thoroughness that you put into this video, thanks!
Faith manages 🙏
Thanks for the love dude!
Just finished this video and HOLY COW! I feel like I am on the edge of an entire universe of things I want to learn more about!
I play drums and never have taken any meaningful music class - that Intro to Music class in college boiled down to 'listen to a bunch of classical music and be able to name the composer - nothing more.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about all of this and I plan to watch part 2 tomorrow morning!!
I couldnt thank you enough for recommending that book and doing this awesome video. I'm writing a sci fi book in portuguese that envolves the brain and heavely includes music and language, so I appreciate you so much my man! I'm not a musician but I've always watched your vids and I've learned so much so thank you so much!
Music is a reflection of the soul, a source of energy and a light in your journey for self discovery.
Music expresses with sound that which you would not have thought of with words, a portrayal of an alternative perspective.
I know you've een processing this stuff for a looooong time. So much to chew on here, and I very much look forward to more in this series. Fantastic work, Mike!
Thank you!!! I was gonna send this to you but I'm happy you caught it! This is just the warm up hahaha. The actual theory clicks in a beautiful way.
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Dude just wanted to say that this video is excellent. Im fascinated by the predisposition that humans have toward tension/release. Or dissonance/consonance
One of the simplest definition of music came from John Myung, and he said that "Music is emotion, expressed through time and notes". I'm very much looking forward to the next video about emotions and music! This is really a great stuff! Thanks!
I like this kind of vibe in videos. Very good video mike!
Didn't expect this, but it was an amazing experience! Never whished it more to be able to like a video more than once.
Loved it! looking forward for more
Love the video so far! Will watch the entire thing when I have the time!
I love seeing the references from your live streams in this video… i.e. artists, tunes, musings
Daniel Levitan's This Is Your Brain on Music is an amazing book. He was a 70's-80's studio engineer, who decided to go get a degree in Neuroscince, and then did an amazing study on how the brain as a whole process music and why and stuff. absolutely fascinating
I'm familiar with the book! I read some of it in college. It's very interesting.
@@BecomeTheKnight i used to run clips from the audio book on my old internet radio show. pretty deep stuff
Excellent work! Thanks Mike
This is my new favourite type of video of yours and i would love to watch the rest
Really excited to learn more about this!
excellent series!
Nice video Mike!
Excellent video! ❤
I’m a big fan of the combo of upbeat happy music with dark lyrics. It’s so cathartic to listen to. The band, Mother Mother is excellent at that.
Also, while listening to this, I flashed back to a memory of when my son was 2 or 3, and had a musical baby toy. When a song in a minor key came on, he said “this is a dark song..”
Mike, I've got to say that I'm speechless after watching your video. First my brain melted multiple times with all of this information, probably I'll have to re-watch it a couple more times and read the book to really understand the content. But most importantly I am happy you made this video because I know it can be hard for UA-camrs to find the balance between making valuable content and just getting easy views. I know this video may be on the lower view count, but please DO make the following parts, I'll be watching them.
Honestly very few videos lately have connected with me in such a deep level.
Thank you.
This means the world. Thank you 🙏
Awesome video!!!
Here after watching your recent video on wanting to reinvigorate your channel, and as someone who's been watching your work on-and-off for a few years now, there were times where I'd think "Ok, this guy is clearly smart, and he puts out solid, clever content, but is he really getting the most out of that brainpower and contributing to 'the conversation' around music in a way that maximizes that intelligence?" In short, I got the sense that you were capable of much more (not that your other content isn't great). AKA, "if you're so smart, then prove it." I gotta say, this video 100% proves it. The research, the depth, the choice to tackle questions about central concepts that many people take for granted. Seriously, bravo man. Super fascinated and excited to see what's next with your channel!
I can't take credit for most of the research. That was Perlovsky. I did some supplemental research to help me better understand or add a little context for the viewer, but he gets the lion's share of the credit.
Thank you so much for the thoughtful comment. I hope my future content proves substantial and helpful 🤘
Great series
I really appreciate you delving into the philosophy of music, it's really fascinating. My only critique is that I find it contradictory that people who believe in God (and therefore the reality of immaterial beings and intelligences) resort to individuals who in many cases deny the existence of the soul as a means to understand human ontology. And though insights can be gathered, it's important to remember that individuals who deny the existence of the soul do not share the same worldview as individuals who affirm the existence of the soul.
Yeah exactly, personally I think the fact that music may be natural and not something literally magical is more amazing, it’s a part of us that came from nature and our interpretation of it
Super stoked to hear more about this, keep up the good work! One suggestions: how about inviting fellow youtubers to read the quotes, like Adam Neely in "Music Theory And White Supremacy" or Contrapoints in "Opulence"?
Keep it up dude.
How did I miss this video!? Stupid algorithm... thanks for this. By the way, I listened to this while I was entering in music into finale the notation software.
Great video. I suggest Ted Gioia writer and musician. Very thoughtful writing about music. He was interviewed by Beato.
Finally Mike! Now you’re getting serious with your videos am i correct? I always knew you should do stuff like that. Very nice production and research.
I think this is a great series idea, and it's gotta be a lot easier to get by UA-cam copyright system
Weirdly enough, this has only made it worse 😂😂😂 This was the third upload of this video (why it took this long to publish) because it kept getting claimed. Not for audio.
this is very intersting
I think it would work as a Podcast, perupse as an adtinal format
also I would like to compliment that your slow-ish speak very comftrable to non-native English speakers like myself
Such a great and important video Mike, Thank you for making this. Something I wanted to comment on was your section about music being mystery; I believe that Music itself is sacred and holy. I think music is such a necessity because of it's tie to God, as in, Music being a form of art It reflects beauty. In Christian, and especially Catholic and Orthodox Traditions, we have the view of the transcendentals. The transcendentals are truth, goodness, and beauty. I think, because beauty reflects goodness and truth fundamentally, therefore Music as being a form of beauty, is something that is intrinsic to God and his character. We see all over the Bible, whenever Heaven and God's Throne are shown, there is usually music like the choirs of angels singing. And we look at the Psalms as you mentioned, It's literally a collection of sacred music. I think, because it so intrinsic to God that, In a way, God is music in the same sense that God is love and God is truth. So, when you separate music from the sacred and holy, as we've seen with a lot of new popular music like Cardi B, it starts dying. I believe this is the reason why Metal, and especially Prog, has become so popular is because it has a great connection to the sacred and mystical intentionally or not. It, I think, is why music has such an effect on emotion and your mental state, as, you metaphysically are tapping into God or the mind of God. Though I don't know, these are just thoughts I had watching that part and in general. I'm not St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas so don't take me like some theologian or philosopher, and correct me if I'm teaching heresey. Anyways, great video Mike, God bless you.
Excellent video Mike. Somewhat related, Jordan Peterson said "you need proof of God? Music"
Eish... I'm still watching this for the 2nd time. So much to process... And you announce the next. 😅
BTW, my only problem is that for truly digest this type of content I need to be quiet and not be disturbed, so it's hard to find a good time to watch 😢
Wow this is deep. You seem to be capable of more intellectual stuff than what your videos usually are (which are not bad, i do enjoy them)
It's what I prefer, tbh. But trying to make something like this accessible is extremely difficult. There's so much background understanding of multiple fields that either needs to be explained (which takes forever) or the viewer needs to be familiar with for the findings to be impactful.
And these kinds of videos take forever to make and yield no reward for the effort (I direct you to my view count lol). There's no incentive as of yet for me to do this stuff often. I would like to do more.
@@BecomeTheKnight I totally get that. It’s sad that the lowest effort content gets the most views on YT, like lazy reacting videos. I do enjoy react content when it leads to good conversation or makes for great comedy, but many popular ones add absolutely nothing to the original. If you ask me, you shouldn’t be able to make money by simply watching something and every now and then going ”wow, that’s crazy”
I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of these. In a way, this can summarise my life thus far and especially why I've always pursued music.
Some additional things to add to the discussion:
* In The Silmarillion, the creation of Middle Earth was done through song. This is probably the only creation myth I know of where the means of creation is done through music.
* I'm pretty sure this may touched on in future installments but this is why I am not concerned at all with "AI destroying musicians". Music has always been a human endeavour and creations can never surpass the Creator.
* I do love how multi-faceted, multi-dimensional and nebulous music can be. This is why I think it makes for pure spiritual expression. You can try and quantify and analyse and break down a piece of music. But music is always going to be much more than the sum of its parts. Personally, I embrace more and more of letting the mysterious remain mysterious. We as humans will never understand everything (and yes, I strongly agree: God exists in the realm of the unknowable). But that's OK. I think we can understand enough to understand better ourselves, each other, the entire Cosmos and, yes, even some parts of God.
* Since you mentioned chant traditions ... I hardly ever like singing chants in translations. This is more of an instinctive or intuitive thing, but I can't help but notice how the ambitus of a chant is closely linked to the prosody of its language. Take something simple in the Orthodox tradition as the "Paschal troparia" or the hymn that is sung at every service from Pascha to Ascension. It's the same phrase: "Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life." The Greeks have their melody, the Russians have their melody, the Romanians, the Bulgarians, the Georgians, the Ukrainians, etc. They all communicate the same message but are sung in completely different ways. The heart of this distinction lies in the language. If we did some "cross-pollination" - i.e. have a Romanian melody singing Greek words - it would feel awkward and disjointed.
* Building on this to a broader topic, realizing this quality also made me realise the "inherent musicality" of a language. Think about whenever you listen to a language you don't have instant comprehension. You may notice how that language can have certain qualities and you may describe them in a way that sounds like you are describing music. Say Japanese: you can describe it as guttural or staccato or harsh. Or any the Romance languages as having a flowing and open sound. (This is probably why operas sound better using either Italian or French more so than English or German). Language in general can be understood by its phenomes and those are the inherent building blocks of that language, much like how notes (both duration and pitch) are the building blocks of music. Even syntax and cadence has something akin to music.
* So ... yeah ... great stuff ... keep treading the path and light the way for any of us who dare to tread on it too. Love ya, man. Rock on =]
Dude......this comment is awesome lol! Thank you. This subject matter has intrigued me for a loooooonnnnnggg time hahahaha. I wanna type a bunch in reply but I don't have time. Just know that I agree with every one of these points lmao. Including the Simarillion. Always struck me.
Good video, it would be cool if you got a deaf person’s perspective on how music plays a role in their life
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Music has always been very important to me and my wife. On the other hand, not even a little bit to her father. I have no use at all for talk radio, I play CDs, don't even want to hear the DJs. Her father however only listens to talk radio. My father liked basically what I called elevator music. Nothing with any passion in it. I'm a rock musician. It's all about the passion.
Not loving music is a foreign idea to me. But the question is, why do I so love to create it? And I do. That's why I have my own home studio.
Reminds me of Adam Neelys video “What Is Music”?
I can see the evolutionary benefits of music: if music manipulates the emotions, then you can manipulate someone else’s emotions with music, so it’s a source of strength. Of course the all too human anti nihilistic side of me prefers the spiritual mystery explanation better.
Oh just wait....it goes a lot deeper than that. You're in for a ride 👍👍
22:28 I’m interested in those experiments, do you have a link or was it Perlovsky’s book?
And also wondering how it relates to dissonant music and why many people like it.
He has citations in his book for the literature/tests but I'll have to find them later! Sorry man haha.
The emotion I get from particular music can be totally different to the emotion the artist intended/put into it. So it seems like overthinking to ascribe too much meaning to it, and the cheesecake analogy is fitting to me. Of course, even cheesecake can serve a social need via baking clubs or meeting friends at cafes etc.
Sure am glad Einstein overthought the theory of relativity.
9:36 now HEs being a Kunt (isn’t that his last name lmao)
Great presentation & very interesting
I am surprised that this content is available to all for free, rather than hide behind a paywall just like any other online lecture we could find in the internet.
If I could, I am willing to pay for a higher membership tier just for this.
Wow! That's seriously humbling lol. I'd feel weird charging for it since I'm really just reporting someone else's life's work and trying to explain it for the average listener haha. If you can, at least grab a copy of Perlovsky's book in the description!
man im drrnk af butymusic is beutiaful
Hope i can find this book on russian since Леонид Перловский is (i assume) russian
Music isn't dying, it just isn't propagating at a similar rate of change and quality that it did in the 20th Century.
How could it? The advances were paradigm-shifting....from wire to wax to shellac to magnetic tape to vinyl to hard drives to SSDs - all invented within the same century's time-span. As the tech _broadening it's availability_ is new, it's on more people's minds, and on the 'bleeding edge' of culture and concentrated effort.
With so many incredible recordings and live acts already having made their impact, subsequent efforts claim a smaller piece of whatever canonical 'pie' is available.
Ok I thought that music evolved with us because we wanted to hear music when we want to hear it, portable and under our control rather than follow the birds. to hear it AT night? hbu just cause its the easiest way to get a message across, sound travels faster than writing and not many were illiterate or even can write music. I think I may be a cognitivist so both are correct. I mean if there are ppl that can see music sounds as colors then...
Leave it to me.
Mike become the music erudite.
btw, did you know that birds can sing?
8:57 *Splutters* What did Aristotle do to upset you? Oh right, you are American, not Australian.
this video could be shorter / divided into several parts -> more accessible
Bruv.....it *is* split up into parts lmao. This is just the introduction.
Fta
Is it how you "conceive" music? or is it how you "conceive of" music?
If you mean "conceive" why didn't you just say "write"?
The other day, I went to my local music stores to pick up guitar strings. I saw my former guitar teacher there. Him and I talk about a good 20 minutes about the decay of modern music about how waterdown it has become. We humans need arts of all kinds. Without art, music, and passion. We are not different from monkeys or fish.
Daniel Levitin : 'This is your brain in music' . Really interesting book about this topic
Mike took mushrooms
Jordan Peterson once said music and sports share one commonality- patterns of the world
Interesting video, but evolution?
This totally explains why Slipknot sucks!
Damn.. lost me at "god"
Um....why? People have believed in deities and still do. It's extremely relevant to conpare the 2 for historical significance.
@BecomeTheKnight I know. I'm an atheist and not convinced by the arguments for the existence of God. And I hate the argument of "unknown, therefore god." So, that part of the video became a hard watch.
I understand that there are certain feelings of awe, elation, even fear, that people relate to "higher powers" (regardless of them being real or not), and that music can create similar feelings. And that's how I'd choose to interpret that section.
I'll take a bit of time to chill and get back to the video later. I'm in Spain right now and it's 2:30 am. Maybe not the time for this content.
Your videos are great and well thought out, so I'm sure I'll enjoy this one, too. Just, not now.
That was the whole point lol. That the musical experience is similar to the "God" experience. I never said anything about proof or evidence. Just that the sensations are similar as reported by people throughout time.
This is something blacks and black musicians would never be able to grasp. I'm glad this man is doing this work.