The Most Advanced Carbon Wheelset in 2024 | The NERO Show Ep. 84
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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If money was no object, what wheels would we buy. We do a deep dive into what a premium wheel set looks like in 2024 and of course compare main stream brands like Cadex's new MAX 40'a to the Windspace Hypers and CRW Chinese comrades.
Aero bike v Climbing bike might be a 2016 GCN video title, but we go back down the rabbit hole, and we discuss the response to last weeks SRAM Red Launch.
Chapters
00:00 intro
00:30 Does The Perfect Wheelset Exists?
14:13 Jesse Chooses His Wheels
22:41 New Reserve Wheels
31:20 Integrated Bar/Stem Concerns
33:43 Subscriber Question
35:00 TCR Week 1
45:55 New Tyres From Good Year
50:25 SRAM Launch Reaction
57:38 New Nero Kit Update
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THE #1 Cycling Podcast. THE only podcast that holds its speed and just begs to be ridden out of the saddle!
It's also snappy and very responsive 🤣
It just holds its speed
Stiffer and more compliant.
No. LRCP
Best carbon layup of all the podcasts
This show hit close to home for me. I have many bikes. I did my own side by side ride tests with 2 very different bikes. Bike 1, Lab 71 with full Dura Ace, and the CRW4045 wheels you guys speak of. Built the bike up early this year. Bike 2 - Ritchey Road Logic steel, rim brake, etap 11 speed, box rims 23mm, 32 spokes. Lab 71 has 28mm tubeless GP5000, Ritchey has 28mm GP5000 tubed with latex. I don't ride the Ritchey a ton so don't want to deal with tubeless maintenance.
I bike commute for training volume. I took the same route to work for this test, and avg power was 229w for the 22 mile ride. My MPH average was 20.7 on both bikes. My power again, identical. To rule out aero/rolling resistance/whatever, my backup metric was my heart rate, which was within 2 beats of each other (133 I believe average).
I wear basically the same thing to ride, and carry a small daypack on my back. Weather was within a couple degrees of each other, air pressure same ish, and even if something was different there, my HR/Power/something would be varied. it's not.
My position is almost the same I can make it, I use the same psi in my tires 60/63. And this isn't a steel vs carbon, rim vs disc, new vs old, this is I have 2 very different bikes, with very different setups in terms of tech, and I have the same exact ride metrics. To really screw with this test, my max speed was 40.x on the Lab 71, and 41.x on the Ritchey. Not to edge towards the ritchey, but to debunk the "well it matters at higher speeds" argument.
Seriously, enlighten me how this is even possible. This isn't the first time I've noticed this either, I use the Ritchey for long rides, and have noticed my avg speed is just the same on it.
Lay it on me.
My testing indicates nearly the same. When I have averaged the results of my aero frame vs Colnago C40, the aero frame is approx .2 mph faster overall. Running same exact wheels, positioning, clothing, PM, etc.
Edit: my average test speeds were between 25-26mph averages on back to back runs with random swaps.
Settting aside possible variations in wind direction and speed that may give a little here and take a little there, it would be very interesting to look at detailed power and speed traces for each bike. Pinpoint exactly where any differences are occurring. The devil is no doubt hiding in that detail.
It’s possible because the bike industry has told us Aero matters, but the bike makes up such a small proportion of the full system metric, that it’s imperceivable at speeds less than 35kph, which is what most us normal folk do.
Sounds like you need to find a friendly aeronautical engineer with a wind tunnel to sort this one out.
@@jasonhurst2491 Just did this in Garmin Connect, expecting to find something. On flat part of ride, the lines are as close to on top of each other as I can describe, near identical.
On UPHILLS, the Lab 71 has a slightly steeper (faster) rate of speed, and on the DOWNHILLS, the Ritchey has almost the same deviation back in it's favor. It's SLIGHT though. But basically the lighter system goes up a hill SLIGHTLY faster, and the heavier goes down SLIGHTLY faster, but I'm talking "meh" level of difference, but is a noticeable pattern either way.
Nonetheless, for the price differences between the two, and their technology, even at 20MPH normal people speeds, something should be different. You'd be able to detect something even at slower speeds, and especially on my 40MPH decent.
If the show hosts read and want to let me fanboy it up, I'll send data files and they can have a chat about it.
Make some branded waterbottles/bidons! I would love to show off my support to the NERO show :)
I’d definitely buy a Nero water bottle.
Heck yeah
Elite bottle pls
Yes please!
Riding my 9Velo wheels for two weeks. 1300 gram for 45mm deep and not even carbon spokes.
Mainly went with those because of Peak Torque, Trace Velo, Hambini's reviews and their 850 EUR price.
A solid bet, and more comfy than carbon spokes.
@@PeakTorque And used your code btw!
@@MrMattie725 same... smart money.... led to buying the MT30 also for the XC bike.. cheers PT
I have the 9Velo GV45 wheels on my Scott Addict endurance bike with 32mm Bontrager tyres. Tyres measure a smidge under 34mm at 60psi. Comfy, loads of grip and bullet proof for the last 12 months or so. Recently changed from butyl to TPU tubes to see if the reality matched the hype. Feels different. Perhaps more compliant. Too many variables to confirm any speed advantage. Certainly no negatives so far. Bottom line, it's a setup that perfectly matches my riding ability and roads at a very reasonable price. Couldn't care less about high-end name brand wheels and certainly not willing to pay for them even if I was fast enough to care. Great show as awlays though.
Same. LV 2.0 45mm on my Aethos. Done. (& used Peak Torque also!)
Staggered widths: most are wider on the front, which i really don't get from an aero and comfort standpoint. Synchros have got it right in my opinion - wider on the back where you want more volume for a wider footprint on a bigger tyre, for basically zero aero penalty. Some wheels I have are 25mm inner on the front and 21mm on the back. The rear 30mm tyre sits like a lightbulb, and the front 28mm tyre looks like its gonna pop off like a ricer tuned Miata with stretched tyres!
I believe the wider front is supposed to handle crosswinds better. The rear wheel doesn't move. The front wheel can be turned by the wind, so you'd want a wider wheel to lessen this efect.
@@junksmiles but then why would you make the rear narrower?
@@junksmiles but what about the argument that deeper rims are more aero. that refutes that claim LOL
@@carsonau116exactly. Just make them the same width!
Probably to do with increasing frame compatibility, as there's usually tighter clearance on the rear triangle. Maximise sales, minimise issues
Scope artech 4/6 are probably the lightest ones out there now
The new SRAM Red had been leaked for months before the official embargo was lifted. Outlets like GCN and others had already covered it extensively, so there was no "WOW! THIS IS NEW!" moment that usually drives a surge in video views upon official release. This was similar to the launch of the new Karoo, where all the specs were known beforehand. Add to this the fact that there was nothing substantially new about either release; they were merely updates and revisions to existing products.
While the months of pre-release leaks generate sustained hype and attention, benefiting both SRAM and the larger media entities immune to shitlisting, it creates challenges for smaller content creators. It becomes less viable for us to cover these releases.
This wheel chat is exactly why Jesse should’ve got the new TCR to ride. Would have been interesting for him to actually experience the ride feel of the cadex’s rather than just reading the spec sheets
I don't know anyone that judges a product based on specs. It's the dumbest metric to ever use. Specs don't matter if it's not built well. On paper the phone ei bought my mum is ace....but it sucks in person.
Ie...a camera that is 100mp on a phone isn't better than a 10mp camera on an iPhone or pixel as an example.
I don't understand how someone can legitimately offer any review on something they've never used.
Kinda like dating too. Well on paper they sound amazing. On person they were a shocker lol
Yo Nero suit only took 5 days to arrive in Japan, really keeps it's speed lol. Nice race fit and super breathable. Will wear for races this summer, thanks
Newmen (german brand) just released 3 new wheelsets yesterday:
35/38 with 22mm internal, 29.5mm external and a wheight of 1035g
49/54 with 24mm internal, 33,3mm external at 1300g
60/66 with 22mm internal, 32mm external at 1355g
all coming in at 1690€
This seems to be the way
holy shit thats light
Got a link? Not finding those on the Newmen website.
Are the rims spokes and hubs made in Germany or are the pats sourced from se Asia and assembled in Germany?
@@glennoc8585 My uneducated guess is that those wheels are built in China, as Newmen components might be part of Cube bicycles, whose frames are made in China. The "ChinaCycling" channel claims Cube bikes are made in a Chinese factory, that is selling their own frames under the brand "Bros". Also, besides Meilenstein wheels, I don't things there are western manufacturers of Carbon spokes.
Crazy prices, you can outfit a complete Rogue home gym in your garage with what some of these wheels go for. What a joke the cycling industry has become.
No...the high end of the cycling industry..which isn't any different to any other industry. Propels expectations have gone up. Everyone now thinks they should be able to buy the best for cheap. That's never been the car and not how anything anywhere works.
Noonea stopping people buy a second hand $300 bike that is still amazing and with a few updates to a decent modern saddle so the job just fine. But everyone wants 12sp. Everyone wants carbon aero wheels (which is almost a given on any group ride now). Everyone is wearing $400 kit for a weekday group ride. $400 shoes.
That's cool if you want that. But you can ride for much less. People are just suckers for marketing and consumerism
WTF is a Rogue gym?
@@MartinBrown-mb7pz i don't know either, but i do know - if i had a garage - i wouldn't want to be stuck inside it doing exercise!
@@out_spocken I don't think it's that everyone wants the total latest and greatest. I just remember when I got into the sport 10 years ago the entry racer/midrange stuff was pretty affordable and had a lot of the more recent features. I bought a 105 11sp Giant propel the year 105 went 11sp for about £1200, accounting for inflation the lowest spec 105 propel should be in the region of £1600 but is currently on offer for £2400 down from £3000.
Disc brakes and an 12th gear just aren't worth that to me, so as you advise when I crashed the propel, I'm on a 2012 frame I picked up for cheap. However it would be nice to get something resembling a recent release at some point without having to pillage my savings quite so much haha. I dare say many people are in a similar position.
You could buy 40 Honda Jazz's for the price of the Pagani Utopia !1!!1
My favourite wheels to ride, regardless of marketing or specs, IN RIM BRAKE are campys, the brake really well especially carbon ones even when wet, and feel the stiffest laterally thanks to the rear wheel having the straight double spokes on DS and cup and cone bearings
Regarding the interest on the groupset, I personally don't find groupset chat very compelling, so when all the channels I follow post a similar video of marginal improvements in a groupset, I only need to watch 1.
Well said, it was as if a hundred channels all hit the beach at the same time with the same story. And great, no knock on the storytellers, just that one or two adequately covers the base.
SRAM Red "trickle down"; Chris *nailed* this. I'm not a Red buyer. I just want to know when Rival gets that lever design.
Rival got that hood design in 2021. Force got it in 2023. Red got it in 2024.
@@webbovich77This is incorrect. The shape was changed, but not to the extent that the new Red horizontal piston allows. That internal trickling down matters.
Meta experience of being overtaken by Jessie in Centennial park while listening to Jessie talking about many park laps. Also I have a bike with the Wheeltop edx groupset in Sydney if you want to compare to Ltwoo when you get that built up.
Have you guys seen the LUN MEGA Wheels? They are the Winspace equivalent of these Cadex with the integrated carbon hubs with carbon spokes... Just saying because you make it sound like Cadex are the only wheels running this "New" tech... Love the podcast gents, keep them coming!!
Scope Artech 4 // 1120 g // 23mm inner width // from the Netherlands // hooked // lifetime warranty- your welcome 😂
Yes. Have been looking at the artechs
Price?
Only $4k USD
It’s the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you’re shit 😂
how wide external.. if it takes more then 10sec to find on their website, I lose interest
Throw the S5 wheels on the TCR and do some laps and see how the speed is.
That TCR looks so good with the new Sram Red
If price isn’t the issue.
Scope Artech is true R and D made in the Netherlands.
For the price of Cadex'es you can get Scope Artech which either have the same height and weight 100g less or weight similar but are 65mm deep
I have an enve rim brake rim splinter carbon off the hooked part after hitting a pothole and since Enve stopped producing rim brake three years ago, they can’t replace them and stopped providing support to anyone that has a rim brake wheelset. The best they could do is offer 30% off msrp for any of their new wheels so their lifetime warranty wasn’t exactly lifetime. I’d be wary of buying name brands as it only seems to be worth it if you have an incident in the first 2-3 years of ownership. I rather buy a Chinese brand that’s been proven to be excellent performance and build quality.
Oh, the Chinese stuff breaks as well. Rest assured.
@@petersouthernboy6327 anything has the potential to break but givens enves reputation and price, i'd expect more than just 30% off and at the price point, they're still very expensive with that discount. I've had a set of winspace hypers for 3 years with zero issues and was far a better performance wheel, although harsher, than the enves by far.
@@petersouthernboy6327the difference is enve wheels cost 3x more and aren’t any less likely to break
a little disapointed not to hear you two mention that on a hookless 25mm internal rim the ISO state that the thinest tyre to safely run is a 29mm printed width, so effectively you need to run a 30mm tyre. escape collective have covered this at length. also james huang has a review of thee syncross wheels
Hi Chris. If you are sceptical about the credibility of integrated handlebars, you should check whether the brand has an SGS certification. Farsports, for instance, have completed SGS testing on both of their handlebars, the F1s and F1x.
👍🏽
I'd like to see Chris and Jesse each ride the wheels off the new Giant, really wear out the bike and themselves on a long ride, and then have a conversation about it. With Jesse getting to take it home because of his Giant street cred. 😀
Chris I am running the new Pirelli P Zero TLR made in Italy 30mms on my S5 with the Reserve 52/63 and I absolutely love them. The combination of speed, grip, and comfort is just as good as the GP5000s.
Very nice!
I have the older Enve 2.3 before the weight gain.. When I put them on my aero-bike it's like a different bike. I agree with what Chris was trying to explain about light vs full aero.
For R&E for western brands there is something called the
ISEA: The International Sports Engineering Association
These guys do a lot of tests and research for different companies including Scott and Simplon. Unis in the Association include Technikum Vienna and Sheffield Hallam.
The latest Scope Artech wheels with the fish scales are the new hotness right now 😋
Not podcast related, I was in a race in NY a bit north of the city and I saw a lad wearing a Nero show jersey, looked awesome! Was good to see it out in the road. 🎉
That’s awesome mate. Yeh the US is probably the biggest audience of the show these days.
My FarSports gravel wheels are 30mm depth, 24mm internal, 30mm external...DT swiss 240 hubs...$1000 and is less than 1300g. You can get 50mm depth with same internal and external stats for same price, they're 1380g. With steel spokes. Or, for $1300, carbon spokes 50mm, 1240g. Literally FarSports is my go-to company for wheels, never had an issue with their wheels and I'm 200lbs.
Farsports Hypers 50mm 24/30 1218g. Got them on sale for 800.
I think you're right that an LTwoo video may do better than a SRAM Red one. The big difference for the new groupset is the lever shape / brake changes. I don't think any of us is surprised that it is good. I am brand agnostic; I have an 11spd Di2 bike, and Force (both last and current gen 12 speed). I don't think anyone is overly surprised about the reviews of Red - it's good! And we all new it was coming. I bet views on the last big Ultegra / Dura Ace (and even 105) release were probably more viewed than this new Red release with the bigger change in technology. I wouldn't even be surprised if the early videos on Rival AXS were as viewed as those on Red as it was the first "cheaper" AXS groupset on the road.
I've probably read and watched more on eRx than I have on either the new Force (which I own) or new Red just out of curiosity. And I'll watch / listen to Jessie's take as well.
I noticed going from a 28 to a 25 rear cassette really feels more snappy. It can negate some of that feeling of the deeper wheelsets. Now if I can just get a lighter 50mm set. My long ass 175mm cranks also turn over a bit better which I like.
Can you please get a Cervelo Soloist in for testing? I’m curious about the “do-it-all” claimed nature. It looks like a sweet spot, but maybe it’s just marketing. Love the show, Chris and Jesse! Thanks!
Yes, I am exactly the same - looking at the Soloist and wondering if that’s the light(er) aero-ish bike for me.
CRW is 1680$, not 680
Giant is intending Cadex to be a “high end” racing brand. Also, a set of Cadex 42s are the best set of wheels I have ridden. All for reasons Chris mentions. I am positive I could tell the difference in a “blind” test. :)
Also worth considering, some big name brands also have some sort of crash replacement warranty. Reserve and Bontrager both have a cost free replacement policy for a year or two if you have an issue or smash one on a pothole/kerb or even in a crash. I've gotten 2 free wheels off Bontrager, one from a car hitting me and the other from a mega pothole.
Somewhat offsets the cost being higher going with a name brand.
it's a good argument, but not all big names and policys are constantly changing - Zipp told me to PO when the rim cracked hitting a small pothole, whilst my friend on Bontrager was replaced problem free like yourself. Zipp have since changed policy on their newer wheels (not that i would be buying from them again).
About the Syncros Capital SL wheels. Tony Fawcett (UK)/Nowt Daft on UA-cam, rides them. Ask him 🙂
He's also a head of marketing at Scott UK🤫 nothing against the man, but he might be slightly biased 😗
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@@NowtDaftTonyFawcett Speaking of the devil... 😆
As always gents, top class, top show, top men. Appreciate all you do for us. Ride on!
This video is so refreshing, one speaks from experience and the other one from his chair ,
You guys are awesome. This episode is 10 🌟
❤️❤️
New Enve race day tire tested faster than GP5000
With significant reduction in weight and much better grip test. The new king apparently.
good puncture protection?
@@austienbryandemesa5841"race day" so I guess not
@@austienbryandemesa5841yes, check out the bicycle rolling resistance test.
Scopes new wheels look interesting though I am not sure the textured rims impact performance or just the price. Have looked at the CRW wheels but reduced spoke count + weight vs robustness question and lack of comparative testing data against leading aero wheels makes me a bit unsure.
The real question here is, why are there suddenly so many wheel brands? Not that hard to figure out when one looks at the INSANE prices.
I think narrower outside rim width is an intentional engineering choice by Giant. Since these are shallower and very light, and part of a climbing/weight weenie build, they’re very likely being used with 25 or 26mm tires and so that width is ideal for that application. It’s all part of the package!
They know their buyers are heavily weight weenie oriented so they’re optimizing for weight rather than aero. As an 80kg rider I put 32mm wide wheels on my TCR to optimize for aero with a 28mm tyre with a WAM of 31mm.
Great episode again guys. Chris does the TCR give you memories and vibes of the NERO Specialissima days?
Thanks for the Happy birthday guys 🫶🏻
I watched last week show to watch the Nero show. Not because I care about Sram but because I care about Chris and Jesse and their interactions.
Israel Premier Tech are on carbon spoke wheels with Black Inc’s new 48/58’s
Very true … good point
Money no object, I'd go with the new Scope Artech 4A. 25mm internal, 1200g wheelset. Done.
Hi Chris, great show thanks again! Comparison between Bont vaypor 2023 and nimbls? The sole in the Bont's is "flat" and the sole in the nimbls is quite curved with much more arch support. How do they feel? it would be great of you could comment on it on the show. Greetings from Spain!!!
I've had a couple of incidents this year where I had wheel damage and I was able to walk into the bike shop and get submit a warranty claim and get a new wheel at no cost. I've never had to warranty a wheel before, but if I had bought Chinese, that would not have happened. While I think most of the Chinese wheels are probably ok, I will stick to something I can get support for right down the road, that is worth the additional cost to me.
As far as the tires, I see a lot of people running Pirelli's where I live. I run them on a couple of bikes and like them, but do admit that Continental has a bigger presence
got my carbon spoke wheels, at first it is light, direct, and responsive. but dam it is harsh. I use them on a custom-made steel bike and even that it is a bit harsh
I did watch multiple videos on the SRAM Red release but I think the reason the views weren't as much of a bump was because it had been leaked for so long and already had pics of the pros using it in races. It's still 12 speed, still DOT fluid, not much change in front chainring shifting/pushing 1x (maybe to downplay the front derailleur performance?). Also Jesse's point about the tech trickling up instead of down put a damper on it as well. The new tech was mostly already released and this was just bringing the Red line to parity with the lower tier instead of something new to look forward to trickling down. I tend to get excited about new tech because the previous gen gets cheaper and I'm excited for when the new stuff trickles down. There's nothing to look forward to because it'll be a while before force is updated again
I have the five from black inv and some American carbon spokes from Gulo, both are great and I really enjoy both of them. If I was buying a wheel I'd look at like magic cosmic SLR 60s and no more rim tape or even some of the other French brands but I also lean into time look bikes so idk the asian stuff is great in its own right. I could see a build being a cool idea too with a classified hub and just full send some crazy one off bits/bobs. . . Lastly hope 2 pot breaks cause roadie need stoppies too!
I have to comment i currently own the craft wheels 40/45 and i have owned roval enve zipp and reserve and the craft blow everything out craft are the best wheels i owned so far in every way speed stiffness and lightness
What would like to see is how putting those fancy wheels from the TCR would change the ride of the S5. My experience has been that so much of the ride quality of a bike is the wheel and tire choice and less about the frame.
I've never heard this talked about with wheels, but it should be: an 800 gram wheel with a 300 gram rim and a 500 gram hub will accelerate faster and handle lighter than an 800 gram wheel with a 500 gram rim and a 300 gram hub. Weight distribution in wheels matters, not just overall weight.
The rotational mass makes only a 2% difference to power needed to spin up. It’s basically imperceptible. It’s an urban myth that has been debunked.
@@jeffservaas what about lateral acceleration of a spinning wheel?
The better comparison to the Cadex would be the Lun Mega wheels. Having a one or 4 piece wheel should be a different league for riding performance which is not limited to weight.
The CRW seems to have many issues as can be seen on WeightWeenies forum PandaPodium is taken care of this but always in a passive manner. Users have to experience the issue and can then get support instead of contacting proactively users.
What is the wheel for me? The FarSport with the SB270 hub and carbon wheels. External 30mm and internal 24mm for around 1000US$, weight is similar to CRW
The problem with the Syncros wheels (or anything produced by Scott) is stock levels. Good luck ever getting a set of those wheels. I’m yet to see anyone with them (aside from a couple of Scott sponsored riders like Dangerholm, etc.) and last time I checked the Australian distributor didn’t even have an estimated date for when some might come into the country. So even if you have $7k AUD to drop on a wheelset, good luck getting them.
Yer same with my SL7 Rovals CLX’s although just slightly shallower at front is wider than than the rear. Really happy with those wheels.
Spesh has carbon spoked Rovals that will be released shortly. The y just released the MTB version Roval Control SLs with carbon spokes as well.
Love winter long sleeves with chest protection - like the front of the arm done as well. The difficulty in the garment engineering is creating asynergy between the windproof front and the fabric for the rear which has to be warm but also allow excess heat to vent out any excess body heat. Assos started with these tops about 25 years ago, called the intermediate - fantastic things they were, but at one point in the products history the price and quality was cut back (called the Mille) and they lost the synergy fore that generation, the front was too thick and the back didn't breath enough, so yes, it's a great garment when done well!
GP5000 STR was top tire a few years ago. No matter how well they roll on the drum it's a low tpi tire that is harsh and a cotton tire will be much better in real conditions. Also if going only by numbers check out Tufo comtura prima and Tufo made Enve ses raceday on BRR - faster, lighter and more puncture resistant.
Went from full blown AERO Madone (2023) SLR to Lab71 ... one bike to rule them all!
In a mad rush for wheels manufacturers to drop wheel weight to gain market share,i feel that longevity and potentially safety becomes a secondary concern.Some of the latest sub 1400g disc wheels have very thin rim walls to the point they are not far off paper thin. Say 5 years ago a set of disc wheels ex china with light steel spokes would come in at around 1500g but the external width was 21 to 23mm and the rim wall was thicker.
On the SRAM Red release not pushing higher viewing numbers (for any channel), I don't see this as surprising. Red was already a premier groupset, everyone knows that and no one was expecting that to change. The updates were logical and addressed consumer feedback (braking, hoods, etc.). As far as I can tell, every channel missed the lead that would have driven viewerships....a premier product upgrade with a PRICE DROP! Given all of the noise for the past several years on the out of control pricing, SRAM made a brilliant move in the pricing of this groupset! I am shocked that no one lead with this and I am equally as shocked that SRAM was not behind the scenes telling everyone to push this.
I really want to see Berd make road/blade spokes out of their ultra high molecular weight polyethylene. Imagine these in blade shape.. there would be significant weight savings
Hand built wheels way to go, can choose, hubs, spokes and rims to suite. Recently built lightbicycle AR25 rims, tune hubs, cx ray spokes. 1035g for the pair, super smooth, completely serviceable. Internal width of 25mm. Less than £1000. Can't get close to that with brand wheels
Ive always wondered why light bicycle isn't more popular, you can pick your own spokes and they have DT Swiss, Chris King hubs, etc. and the prices are still good
If this video gets 50k views, Jesse has to buy the Cadex wheels.
the "Feel" is weird in cycling, it is not necessarily tangible but if data says otherwise.. you should listen to the data for sure.
22:30 roval's prototype road wheels have carbon spokes. Same tech as on their brand new xc MTB wheels
Windspace is the way to go I have a set of the D47 and a set of the D67 love them .
Good for you. When they wear out and inevitably break just order another set.
@@petersouthernboy6327 I take it you don't own a set? They aren't breaking very easily
@@neiltucker6124 mine did - and they wouldn't replace them with the warranty
Love it guy's 👌👍
Escape collective reviewed the syncros wheels.
I have hookless wheels, no complaints there. But I'd go for the Jesse custom wheelset. It would be awesome 👌
In the IG reel I saw a mention to the bikefit regarding the TCR. I was expecting something in that topic. What happened?
Princeton evo series are pretty good. 21mm internal, hooked, no holes on rims so easier to set tubeless
I had Zipp pay me back my full retail purchase price for my 353NSW and I’ve gone back to my equally light weight Hunt 44UD and I haven’t looked back, also nice to have $3.5k back in my bank account.
In the US Enve 3.4 or 4.5 are $2850. Roval CLX II are $2850. Hunt Sub50 carbon spoke are $2800. Sub50 non-CF are $1800. The Cadex Max 40s are lighter but at $4000 they aren't going to sell very many here. The choices from Hunt, Enve, and Roval are all much wider external the Hunt and Enve are wider internal. All of them seem to be more modern designs for a lot less money.
I've never seen Winnspace on a group yet. I'd never heard of CRW prior to this episode.
Hi! What the Frame size and seat high of the white Giant? Thx
Cadex 50 Ultra.. love them
Maybe I missed the episode, but you ever talked about how the S5 compares to the Aeroad? Does one of them feel faster? Is one of them faster?
Jesse, I have FarSports wheel with DT 240 hubs, 50mm deep and weighs 1380.
Would you pick bmc teammachine slr01 2023 model over new tcr sl? What do you think
I have found my sl-3 (6.1) kilo absolutely horrible pulling in a group ride against a 15mph headwind....then put my heavier vision metrons on and now its night and day faster as far as maintaining speed....most of our riding is flats with some rollers mixed in.....hence my thoughts below
The new Black Inc wheels are hooked and weigh 1290 grams for the 48/58's. Whats not to like?
Every time Reserve says they intentionally made their wheels external nipple, well, try if you can tension it to adequate spoke tension only with external nipple wrench without spoke holder. I'm not ganna do it because 100% I will break nipples or spokes. Or the spoke tension is way too low from the beginning like 80kgf. For me serviceability on a work stand weighs far more than using external nipples. If you use round spokes and non-J bent (so straight pull) you may have a chance.
my school of thought and experience...light wheels for always excellerating fast (crit style shorter courses) and lots of serious climbing......remember that a wheel that spins up fast also slows down fast.....and heavier wheels for maintaining high speed.......i have 1250gram rovals....vision metrons and mavic cxr 60's and the later 2 are 15-1600 grams and i can always reach a higher sustainable mph with the heavier wheels...absolutely always !!.....all these wheels are 50-60mm deep with vittoria speeds or gp5000
I didn't realize the power meter was integrated with the chainrings. Why would they integrate a power meter into a consumable part?
Most people I know were crushed by the price of the new Red to be interested.
It's insane, even for people squarely in the demographic that should be buying the highest spec'd & most expensive components.
Most of us feel like we can learn anything we want about the biggest brands. And the latest updates typically aren't that different from the previous updates. So there just isn't that much to learn. Anything you guys can give us about these are other smaller brands like L-twoo is new information for us and not easily available everywhere. So - yeah. I imagine coverage of smaller brands will get you more views.
Chris, why don’t you get an sl8? It would be really interesting to hear your perspective about that bike. I don’t know if you would like it. I think you would have a lot of appreciation for it.
Wouldn’t be against the idea, though I get the sense Specialized are not that keen … never had any contact with them.
How much of the Cadex $6k price is "real" and how much is making them look premium for the Giant builds they come stock on?
That was kind of my point, we (well it least I do) can sometimes pigeon hole Giant as a value brand … i think this is play to get the Factor crowd.
Reserve started as Santa Cruz’s house brand.
IPT is riding with Black Inc 48/58 which is carbon spoke but they are not UCI world team
Why is there no chat on the Winspace d33 or d67 best bang for your buck and same specs as cadex with hooks…no brainer
Because money is no obstacle. But the reserve 42/49 with the DT Swiss 180 hub for 2500 USD is arguably the best on the market for the money, considering the warranty that basically gives you rims for life if damage them. 25mm internal, hooked, aero, and comfortable. Nothing better, worth spending more on.
Because specs are 10% of it. But when they inevitably break or wear out just order another set.
definitely not best bang for buck anymore, wheelsfar/farsports and superteam have better offerings
I think the Winspace wheels are just too heavy compared to all of the other chinese wheel brands
d67 - 1526g
CRW 6575 - 1420g (also deeper)
d33 - 1343g
CRW 4045 - 1180g (still deeper)
both have ceramic bearings and the CRW are $180 more but you save 100g-160g while also getting a more aero wheel. It's a similar story when comparing the Elite wheels to Winspace as well
It's funny that people think of Reserve wheels being Cervelo's house brand wheels, when Reserve carbon wheels where on Santa Cruz MOUNTAIN bikes first.
They're the same company, owned by Pon.....
(Potential question for Joe) Any intel on Superteam wheels?
Regarding the whole wheel talk and cycling pretentiousness, good thing we have Jesse here to keep Chris in check. Damn!
Been riding aero frames since 2009. You notice the aero as a light rider trying to catch heavies on down hills.
You sure it's just not the added weight of the aero frame giving you more mass and thus better downhill acceleration?
Yes because the previous non aero bike was heavier.
So disclaimer I’m no A grade racer but do like to pin a number on. I own the CRW 50/55 wheel set. I’ve owned and own other high end wheel brands and can say the CRW are absolutely best wheels I’ve ridden and the service you get from Panda podium is better than the service you get from big name brands cause you don’t get lost process and become a number.
I have these wheels on my Scott Foil 2023 rc after taking the zipp 303 firecrest off it. I have another set of Zipp NSW 303 last of the hooked which I’m tempted to replace with another set CRW in a different depth.
I think there are some true Chinese brands that do the same or better job than some of our western brands do with product but now service to.