I took my first two white tails with this ammo. 1st was 90 yds, secind was 170 yds. Both had identical tissue results - through shoulder bones, left chest cavity like soup and a decent size exit. Have an ACOG on my AR and placement hit as perfect as you'd ever want! (PS. Both deer were moving...)
@@AmericanSentinelK9Productions I am comparing it to the same thing. I am buying tipped 75 grain ammo for half the price. In other words ballistic tip, lead core same thing as TMK.. I don’t buy cheap FMJ ammo, the majority of my ammo is as good as it gets when it comes to performance.. I only use bulk for paper and plinking.. So since I am comparing tipped Match Ammo to Tipped Match ammo I think it’s a fair comparison..
Worth mentioning that the ballistics of this ammo are great enough, that with my TA01NSN acog, the ballistics match up perfectly on my 10.5” 5.56 I use them in. So my 10.5” with this ammo is equal to a 14.5” using m193 as far as drop. Actually has more energy on target past 200yds. Not too terrible in my opinion.
Yeah that’s why I stock this as my good ammo. I use it in my 10.5” 5.56. I zero for this, and have a mag loaded in my rifle at home, but sure as hell ain’t shooting it for fun. Have about 10 mags of it stocked up. I shoot pmc xtac m193 for most of my shooting though.
@@WorthDoingRightout of a 10.5” barrel, these won’t be going below 1800 until like 400yds if I recall. Either way, it’s way further than I’d take my 10.5”. It’s much better than the m262, which stops fragmenting after 2200fps or so, or 50-100yds from the muzzle of a 10.5”
Don’t let anyone tell you, that you need a longer barrel. The reduced velocity will just mean it retains more weight as it mushrooms out. TMK will still open up even around 1650 fps.. Gel shots with a 10.5 is impressive. If someone tells you that you need a longer barrel. They don’t know sh*t about TMK or terminal ballistics.
Buy a box and test it. If that doesn't work try some 75gr offerings. The fastest 77gr factory I've found was IMI Brown Box. That would have the best chance of stabilizing in a 1:9, although 1:9 might stabilize most 77gr at good velocities. Plenty of people have been very successful with a 1:8 and 77gr. So test it out, worse case is you have an excuse to go shooting and you learn something in the process. Good luck!
I hope you tested those in your rifle before you bought a full case. The tmk and otm 77gr are good projectiles, but factory loads of anything are hit or miss. I hand load now, but had some old factory ammo. I ran 30 different factory loads through a precision built ar with a bull barrel. It included black hills 77gr and 69gr TMK and OTM in each. The best that any Black Hills load did was 1.25 moa. Hornady's Frontier and Superformance 75gr, and IMI 77gr OTM tan and green box and the brown box, all did 0.5 moa or better consistently, all 4 also had higher velocities than Black Hills, and are cheaper. Your rifle will be different, so maybe it stacks the Black Hills in 1 hole at 200, I don't know. I make my own now to avoid this issue and save money. I'd also want to see clear evidence of consistent and repeatable terminal performance. If you're relying on tumbling, that's not consistent or repeatable.
I agree with everything you wrote but there are several reasons I bought the case. 1. Between me, my son, and my daughter, we have a dozen ARs (223 Wydle/5.56 Nato, 6.8’s, and a 22lr), but most are 223 Wylde…set up for different applications. I am sure they will fire accurately enough in several of them if not all of them. I also get 0.5 out of the IMI 77 gr. I have tried these already in one and it got a hair over 1” so it does seem the IMI are more accurate right now but more testing is necessary. 2. truth be told anything less than 1.25”-1.5” is more than accurate enough within this bullet’s effective ranges, although it is always nice to get sub 1”. Will try it in the other platforms and report back. 3. I do have reloading equipment but my schedule has not allowed me to reload much. I do plan on diving into it deeper next year.
@@WorthDoingRight You are right about all of that. Lol Black Hills makes my wallet hurt just thinking about it. My chamber is also 223 wylde. Not sure if you tried the "Brown box" IMI or the "Green and Tan". I thought they would be the same just in different boxes, definitely not. The Brown NATO looking box was about 150fps faster out of my 18" on the same day I shot the Green and Tan commercial looking box. The Brown box IMI was also faster than the Black Hills by 50 to 100fps. I get the schedule not being conducive to reloading. It takes a ton of time and effort to do it properly. If you're mainly doing factory ammo, if you haven't already, I'd say it's worth checking out both flavors of IMI 77gr. If I had to buy a case of factory ammo today, it'd definitely be the Brown box IMI. Anyway keep up the good work!
@@joearledge1 I got the Black Hills for nearly the same price as the IMI green and tan boxes, which I also have. When you said the IMI was faster than Black Hills I was surprised but I did not realize you were referring to their “brown box” variant in 77 gr. I have some brown box 55 from them but not 77. I also have green and tan 55 from them. I too did not realize they had two variants of 77 gr. My green and tan 77 by IMI is their hp variant and I wanted the TMK variant for on target performance, never the less, I will look into the 77 gr brown box IMI. Have a link?
@@WorthDoingRight yeah, all 4 that I mentioned in my original post beat all of the Black Hills in velocity and precision( Superformance and Frontier 75gr and both flavors of IMI 77gr). I'm shocked you found Black Hills that cheap. Just a minute and I'll get a link to the 77gr brown box for you.
@@joearledge1I just bought a 100 more rounds of this 77tmk for $1.35 a round shipped, so for $.35 or so more per round, I’m getting a round that is more effective at range, and fragments better. I shoot it from my 10.5” 5.56, I need all the help I can get. Mk262 stops fragmenting reliably at like 2200fps, or 50yds from my barrel. The tmk fragments down to 1900fps, which is something like 200yds from my rifle when I used the ballistics calculator.
Sierra’s use of green for the polymer tip is unfortunate for me. I belong to a range in NJ that is very strict about types of ammo and an RO always insists I have green tips until I ask him to examine it. TMKs are my favorite in multiple calibers. But wish they used a different color, though I get it is their brand logo color.
Superb ammo, but way too damn expensive when others make the same thing in 75 and 77 grain for half the price or less. That’s probably 1400 worth of ammo there and it’s only 1k rounds. For this load AAC gets my money.
I would have a hard time justifying its use on anything bigger than whitetail, but in the video description you will see a link to a website where they talk about this exact bullet being very effective on mule deer, black bear, hogs, and one guy in the first 30 pages (I think between 20-30) shows photos of his wife using it on an elk and got great results. Now, I cannot contest to that being a wise choice, but if it worked as well as it did there, then I certainly have no reservations about using it on whitetail.
The Black Hills OTM 77 gr bthp MK 262 has had outstanding results with the military
I took my first two white tails with this ammo. 1st was 90 yds, secind was 170 yds. Both had identical tissue results - through shoulder bones, left chest cavity like soup and a decent size exit. Have an ACOG on my AR and placement hit as perfect as you'd ever want! (PS. Both deer were moving...)
I prefer the sierra 77g otm from black hills. With my LWRCI IC DI 16.1" I'm able to achieve right at 1moa while the 77g TMK I get around 1.3-1.5moa.
The OTM may be slightly more accurate but the TMK outperforms it on target.
These things are phenomenal in tissue
They better be for the price tag they carry..
Cost is no object when it comes to tissue damage you bloody fool. Edit. Imagine when you need it
@@427SuperSnake1don’t compare it to cheap bulk ammo. Compare it to hunting rounds, and then it is not expensive at all.
@@AmericanSentinelK9Productions I am comparing it to the same thing. I am buying tipped 75 grain ammo for half the price. In other words ballistic tip, lead core same thing as TMK.. I don’t buy cheap FMJ ammo, the majority of my ammo is as good as it gets when it comes to performance.. I only use bulk for paper and plinking.. So since I am comparing tipped Match Ammo to Tipped Match ammo I think it’s a fair comparison..
@@427SuperSnake1 post a link to the exact ammo
Best UPS package ever.. jelly
Not sure what hits harder, the 77 grain TMK. Or the stack of cash you had to spend to acquire it at 1.35 a round..
don’t compare it to cheap bulk ammo. Compare it to hunting rounds, and then it is not expensive at all.
Worth mentioning that the ballistics of this ammo are great enough, that with my TA01NSN acog, the ballistics match up perfectly on my 10.5” 5.56 I use them in. So my 10.5” with this ammo is equal to a 14.5” using m193 as far as drop. Actually has more energy on target past 200yds. Not too terrible in my opinion.
Also heard that black hills ammo does better in shorter barrels then other ammo. Propellant just burns better idk.
Yeah that’s why I stock this as my good ammo. I use it in my 10.5” 5.56. I zero for this, and have a mag loaded in my rifle at home, but sure as hell ain’t shooting it for fun. Have about 10 mags of it stocked up. I shoot pmc xtac m193 for most of my shooting though.
This is something that I may be considering as a home defense round fired from a 10.5 barrel with a 1:7 twist
apparently is fragments at speeds over 1800 fps. Personally, I think it would be beneficial to up barrel length to 11.5 minimal.
@@WorthDoingRightout of a 10.5” barrel, these won’t be going below 1800 until like 400yds if I recall. Either way, it’s way further than I’d take my 10.5”. It’s much better than the m262, which stops fragmenting after 2200fps or so, or 50-100yds from the muzzle of a 10.5”
Don’t let anyone tell you, that you need a longer barrel. The reduced velocity will just mean it retains more weight as it mushrooms out. TMK will still open up even around 1650 fps.. Gel shots with a 10.5 is impressive. If someone tells you that you need a longer barrel. They don’t know sh*t about TMK or terminal ballistics.
Heavier bullets are still more accurate so never be afraid to hawk it out of a 20" DMR
My AR has a 1:9 twist and I'm afraid a 77 gr bullet is too long for the 1:9 twist.
Understandable
Buy a box and test it. If that doesn't work try some 75gr offerings. The fastest 77gr factory I've found was IMI Brown Box. That would have the best chance of stabilizing in a 1:9, although 1:9 might stabilize most 77gr at good velocities. Plenty of people have been very successful with a 1:8 and 77gr. So test it out, worse case is you have an excuse to go shooting and you learn something in the process. Good luck!
Haven’t had the chance to try 77s yet but 75’s work well in my 1-9
I load the 69 gr sierras for my 1/9 and they work great
1:8 will stabilize 55gr to 77gr.
I've been lobbing these and 80gr eldms out to 800 yards with no trouble at all. Out of a 22" bolt gun.
I hope you tested those in your rifle before you bought a full case. The tmk and otm 77gr are good projectiles, but factory loads of anything are hit or miss. I hand load now, but had some old factory ammo. I ran 30 different factory loads through a precision built ar with a bull barrel. It included black hills 77gr and 69gr TMK and OTM in each. The best that any Black Hills load did was 1.25 moa. Hornady's Frontier and Superformance 75gr, and IMI 77gr OTM tan and green box and the brown box, all did 0.5 moa or better consistently, all 4 also had higher velocities than Black Hills, and are cheaper. Your rifle will be different, so maybe it stacks the Black Hills in 1 hole at 200, I don't know. I make my own now to avoid this issue and save money. I'd also want to see clear evidence of consistent and repeatable terminal performance. If you're relying on tumbling, that's not consistent or repeatable.
I agree with everything you wrote but there are several reasons I bought the case.
1. Between me, my son, and my daughter, we have a dozen ARs (223 Wydle/5.56 Nato, 6.8’s, and a 22lr), but most are 223 Wylde…set up for different applications. I am sure they will fire accurately enough in several of them if not all of them. I also get 0.5 out of the IMI 77 gr. I have tried these already in one and it got a hair over 1” so it does seem the IMI are more accurate right now but more testing is necessary.
2. truth be told anything less than 1.25”-1.5” is more than accurate enough within this bullet’s effective ranges, although it is always nice to get sub 1”. Will try it in the other platforms and report back.
3. I do have reloading equipment but my schedule has not allowed me to reload much. I do plan on diving into it deeper next year.
@@WorthDoingRight You are right about all of that. Lol Black Hills makes my wallet hurt just thinking about it. My chamber is also 223 wylde. Not sure if you tried the "Brown box" IMI or the "Green and Tan". I thought they would be the same just in different boxes, definitely not. The Brown NATO looking box was about 150fps faster out of my 18" on the same day I shot the Green and Tan commercial looking box. The Brown box IMI was also faster than the Black Hills by 50 to 100fps. I get the schedule not being conducive to reloading. It takes a ton of time and effort to do it properly. If you're mainly doing factory ammo, if you haven't already, I'd say it's worth checking out both flavors of IMI 77gr. If I had to buy a case of factory ammo today, it'd definitely be the Brown box IMI. Anyway keep up the good work!
@@joearledge1 I got the Black Hills for nearly the same price as the IMI green and tan boxes, which I also have. When you said the IMI was faster than Black Hills I was surprised but I did not realize you were referring to their “brown box” variant in 77 gr. I have some brown box 55 from them but not 77. I also have green and tan 55 from them. I too did not realize they had two variants of 77 gr. My green and tan 77 by IMI is their hp variant and I wanted the TMK variant for on target performance, never the less, I will look into the 77 gr brown box IMI. Have a link?
@@WorthDoingRight yeah, all 4 that I mentioned in my original post beat all of the Black Hills in velocity and precision( Superformance and Frontier 75gr and both flavors of IMI 77gr). I'm shocked you found Black Hills that cheap. Just a minute and I'll get a link to the 77gr brown box for you.
@@joearledge1I just bought a 100 more rounds of this 77tmk for $1.35 a round shipped, so for $.35 or so more per round, I’m getting a round that is more effective at range, and fragments better. I shoot it from my 10.5” 5.56, I need all the help I can get. Mk262 stops fragmenting reliably at like 2200fps, or 50yds from my barrel. The tmk fragments down to 1900fps, which is something like 200yds from my rifle when I used the ballistics calculator.
Sierra’s use of green for the polymer tip is unfortunate for me. I belong to a range in NJ that is very strict about types of ammo and an RO always insists I have green tips until I ask him to examine it. TMKs are my favorite in multiple calibers. But wish they used a different color, though I get it is their brand logo color.
Superb ammo, but way too damn expensive when others make the same thing in 75 and 77 grain for half the price or less. That’s probably 1400 worth of ammo there and it’s only 1k rounds. For this load AAC gets my money.
AAC has SMK and TMK with affordable price tag
@@contractor556 That what I was reffering to by saying others make the same thing for half the price.
@@427SuperSnake1You mean twice the price??
@@steveguse4481 Others make the tipped round for half the price of Black Hills, WTF are you talking about twice…
Where did you get these?! I can’t find them anywhere! 😭
apparently they are sold out.
Elk Round?!?! Holy S...
I would never use it for that, but did see a post with photos showing it worked
Yes.
Can you list the type of game this can be used on?
I would have a hard time justifying its use on anything bigger than whitetail, but in the video description you will see a link to a website where they talk about this exact bullet being very effective on mule deer, black bear, hogs, and one guy in the first 30 pages (I think between 20-30) shows photos of his wife using it on an elk and got great results. Now, I cannot contest to that being a wise choice, but if it worked as well as it did there, then I certainly have no reservations about using it on whitetail.
The bipedal type.
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The Black Hills OTM 77 gr bthp MK 262 has had outstanding results with the military