Why Aren't There Big Rock Bands Anymore?
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much like "video killed the radio star", around the late 90s, "internet killed the music star" that is - peer to peer mp3 music file sharing killed the traditional music industry.
Why is rock dead? If you don't know why, you don't understand rock or most of how this world works. Rock was and is manufactured. There is a romantiscism that rock spawned in someone's backyard or garage or a late night party. Rock was created, blueprinted, timed, cast, hired, sold, bought and sold from conception. The bands the M$M Main$reamMedia shits eats and shit vomits like pigs rooting are businesses. Rights to songs. Radio Playlists. No one knows of any bands from the 1820's. The purpose of radio was to program the listeners. Back then, there were no nationwide elections. People didn't ride horses from California to D.C. every four years to vote for someone they don't know. The radio was and is one way transmission. The people in the NorthEast tell everyone the way it is, friendly like. With music they fashion. Now OF COURSE NOT ALL. But damn near most. And over time the reality of nationwide sound and name recognition became a reality--a well planned and thought out reality with infastructure from coast to coast and everywhere between. No one wants to listen to the National Anthem 24/7 that is the darkest commie hell. So, light it up! Call it Van Halen💫💥
Fall Out Boy is an anomaly
In a word? Streaming.
Steaming is slaughtering good art.
That's because you've never seen Babymetal. It really has to be seen they're way better live. If you're ready to see something completely different that you never imagined. ua-cam.com/video/5mbx2TTAX04/v-deo.html
No more garages = no more garage bands
Nailed it.
Condo bands anyone
tik tok exist no chance
kpop as well
EV charging station band
Yo! True Grit!! Still getting it bro. MGTOW!
"New artists are competing with the greatest musicians of all time." What a way to describe the industry now. So accurate.
I think that's why most fall flat
Imposter syndrome and lack of talent. Public disinterest, people have other things to do than write songs. Ridicule of genres other than hip hop making it wrong to like ‘white music’.
@@DS-nw4eq I'm tired of idiots who think that way. There's so many of them in my city. If you don't listen to Hip-hop here you'll be an outcast.
@@Grandmaster_Sub-Zero fuck hip hop today....I call it mumble talk not hip hop........
the musicianship now its light years ahead of the old timers . but it takes more than just musicianship . record companies used to give the artist a couple of records to develop . and now with UA-cam and Spotify ETC anyone can make an album .
In the days where you used to have to go out and "buy" your music in record, tape, or cd form; you tended to value it more. You took the time to listen to every song on the album. You absorbed every nuance of the songs. You even valued the outer packaging with its artwork and information.
yep totally agree. Growing up in the 80's I listened to a lot more cassettes than CD's. Then in the late 90's when everything went to cd's cassettes were basically obsolete and worth next to nothing I listened to a ton of them in my old car. It felt more personal listening to full albums seeing how big the Monsters Of Rock shows were and imagining if you were in that crowd. Telling my kids now you used to have to flip a tape to listen to side B they think I am joking with them.
We now have quantity over quality.
Back in the dinosaur days (the 70's) it was a social thing for me and my friends to drive to a record store (could be say 20 minutes away), and spend lots of time browsing, before each coming home with one record, and placing it on the turntable.
Or when my friend called and told me to come over immediately to hear a record by a band that I didn't know. It was Queen's A Night at the Opera.
Like I said, the dinosaur days. But it was great!
And got pissed off when there was only one good song on the whole record
My music collection was part of my bedroom. It was on shelves. My friends could look through my records and look at the artwork. I loved it.
My kids music collection is invisible.
In less than 9 minutes this man hit the nail on the head about the issues with music today compared to the past.
Voted best all time rock song.. satisfaction.. the stones.. they are still here!..
but does not explain why there are still lots of ARIANA GRANDEs out there being pushed hard as if they are the biggest female singers in this world... i still dont get why there are POP singers being pushed hard and receiving hard investiments of music industry, but none ROCK bands gets the same investiments
There aren't big anything anymore. Not even pop stars are as big as they were in the 80's and 90's. I think internet changed the nature of fame. Fame itself is different. Fame now is more accessible and more superficial. It's like a "great value" fame, like a "light" fame. It doesn't have the roots that it used to have anymore that would make a real impact in culture. It's like an artificial fame.
I hate fame, so I see this as good.
@@MacGuffinExMachina but fame is worse now, because now enyone can he famous for nothing in particular, just for being on social media. Fame was better before because you had to earn it with hard work and talent. Now it's free for all without any reason.
A good thing in a lot of ways though. Better to have a million people split their obsession over 500,000 streams than have them all idolize one person.
@Shin Shaman Think about it
@@NocturneSoul yeah, I don't care.
In short: we have too many options available, and not enough gatekeepers and influence peddlers to coalesce around one artist to enable that artist to become a cultural icon. Seems about right.
I disagree. There are huge pop stars and huge rap stars that stand out. Maneskin might be the next big rock band. I mean they no1 on the global Spotify list.
@@kornelmi21454 maneskin lmao
@@kornelmi21454 yeah hip hip is innovative as f* ...rock is really restricted and has tons of gatekeepers, doesn't want to change. In hip hop, pop and edm its okay to be commercial, put your songs in commercials and do things for money to get your name out there, in rock not so much. When you stay out of the culture, you we'll, stay out of the culture.
@@georgefantano4396 like them or not. They are getting HUGE
@@humbly-soalejandro6898 man. If only you knew the history of rock and what really happens behind the scenes. It's extremely the exact opposite of what you just said
The internet has killed the mysticism rock once had, but at the same time I can discover more obscure bands from my favorite eras of rock and metal
The 70’s and early 80’s.
Nonsense! The internet didn't kill Rock,
the Internet actually helps to keep Rock alive. Without the internet, Rock and Metal would already be completely forgotten by now, except only physical CD's that will eventually tear out and break over time. Many young teenagers today are still discovering Rock music *thanks to the internet* ! So to say the internet killed rock is a contraiction, it's quite the opposite in fact.
What really killed Rock (in the Mainstream at least) is the Music Industry itself. The big Music channels on the TV and Radio have decided (for some reason) to not play Rock and Metal music anymore. For whatever reason.
They could still play Rock music on TV and Radio, *if they really wanted to* . Apparently, they don't want to play Rock anymore, for whatever reason...
And this is surely *NOT* because there aren't enough people interersted in this music anymore. There are still Millions if not even *Billions* of people around the world still loving Rock and Metal music. So there has to be another reason why all the big Music channels collectively stopped playing this Music, even though millions of peopele still love this music...
Some (stupid) people would argue that Rock is _"too energetic and too loud"_ to be played on Radio, so it would distract the people (for example Pop is easier and less energetic so so you can always play Pop at any time in Public Malls without distracting the customers too much, so Pop is more "appropriate" for all daily situations).
But this argument is nonsense because there is also *Soft Rock* too which is just as easy going, but it seems that not even Soft Rock is played in Malls or Radio anymore, which makes no sense.
It seems that literally all Rock Music has been banned from Music channels entirely, even the Soft Rock variants as well...
I think there is a nother reason why all big Music channels have collectively banned Rock and Metal: because Political and Ideological reasons...
I think there is a political ideology that aims to ban Rock music out of the Mainstream, because Rock and Metal is more complex music that can promotes a critical thinking among the fans (it makes the people think more critically about the world and everything else) because Rock and Metal help people to start thinking more critically.
Meanwhile modern Pop and Rap (post-2010) have the exact opposite effect on young people, since it is a more "primitive" style of Music today
(not to be confused with the old classic Pop before the 2000's, where Pop was heavily influenced by *R&B* back then, which was actually very good and provided a nice role model for young teens growing up in 1990's and 2000's)
But the good old classic R&B Pop has now been replaced by a more primitive and lustful Party Pop, where it is only about the most primitive and lowest forms of instincts about S*x and Party and Living the life for the shortest moments without taking any responsibility of or their own behavior and without consideration or respect for others...
So it becomes obvious why the Power-thirsty corrupt governments prefer this rather primitive Music to be played on Mainstream channels (and yes, alll the big Music channels nowayads are controlled by the Government through money, more or less).
Because the modern primitive Pop and Rap makes people dumb an stupid (dumbing down), so the yong people don't ask cirical questions anymore, so the government can do what it wants. Dumb Music makes people become dumb as well, so they believe even the mst ovious lies and propaganda that the government makes them believe. Just like sheep following the herd, not asking any questions...
In contrast to Rock and Metal which make people more critically thinking, promoting a more anti-government attitude... So it becaomes obvious why the big Government wants to ban Rock music from the mainstream completely....
Hip Hop is better for controlling the people, because Hip Hop and Rap makes people dumb.
This is why the government favors Hip Hop (and the big Music channels are controlled by government) so they can keep the population stupid and dumb, without questioning what the politics does.
@@alternativerockemo6783 True unfortunately.
@@alternativerockemo6783 very true
That's the problem with Rock, it lives in the past
@@alternativerockemo6783 I agree. the internet help and hurt rock. the internet help give rise to bedroom rock which single person can make a rock song. It hurt that it no longer possible to make living and blow up on albums. It help because not longer band have rely on radio play alone. actually people arguing that rock music is too energetic is making a good point. Most music in the top 40 are below 140 bpm. pop punk is around 150 to 180 bpm. rock by definition is more energetic than pop. also metal is own genre because it change so much form original rock and roll. So now when metal become more popular it hurts rock since rock it to be happy sounding and metal angry. though there is metal music that break the genre rules and sounds happy.
The Alt-rock scene of the early 90's is something that will never be replicated, those were magical times!
I know man. I miss it so much. We had a little shit-hole bar in Milwaukee called Yield (after PJ's album)--we'd go there every Thursday night in college to watch some of the local bands but then it'd be Screaming Trees, Soundgarden, AIC, Veruca Salt, you name it until close We'd get so fucked up with some of the musicians and hot bartenders. Woke up in Cedar Rapids Iowa one time still trying to figure that one out. Crazy times man. God bless.
That's only because we were young. There was nothing especially unique about rise and fall of that genre.
Don't get me wrong, I like this music too -- I was in highschool in the late 90s. Alt rock is just commercially oriented and kinda shallow because of that.
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Was it good because it was really good, or was it good because we were young? Everything looks better when you are a kid. Almost everyone I know thinks that the music from their 20s is the best music and the best time there ever was. So do I, but is it really true?
I think the biggest thing is "rock" bands that can actually be labeled as a "rock band" are few and far between. Most bands now are more likely to be apart of a subgenre. Like Dreampop/shoegaze, post rock, black metal, hardcore, and the list goes on. You can still find amazing bands it's just most bands don't play generic "rock". Hell even basic "indie rock" is very few and far between. As opposed to the say the 90's with Grunge. Where you could still label most of those bands as hard rock or alt rock.
Arctic Monkeys and The Pretty Reckless are flat out rock. Both consist of members in their 20s and 30s so they're certainly not "boomer" bands. Jack White is going pretty strong with his band The Raconteurs who are a traditional sounding garage band.
That's kind of a moot point. there's a million different subgenres but most of them still fit under the broad umbrellas of Rock, Metal, Hip Hop, Pop, etc. Few artists are so unique that they don't fit one of the big genres.
you mean, hard rock
@@Larry_Ibarra tranquility base is definitely not flat out rock
Green day is still around
Chris Cornell still makes my day when ever I listen to his music, rip Chris
He doesn’t get enough credit for his amazing song writing and vocals
One of the best voices of rock may he rest in power
10 Years and Starset? Beartooth and Disturbed?
Nice to finally see a Soundgarden fan
Listen to him almost every day. His last solo album was arguably his best. He had so much more great music left in him. Looking forward to the final Soundgarden album.
There are tons of kids in their 20's who love classic rock. It's timeless.
Erick K ...point taken butt You missed it...the scene will never be recreated again...it's now "SHOW ME YOUR VAC-PASS and photo ID"...pure EVIL ! My daughter learned 7 Nation Army as one of her 1st song on guitar...that made me feel there was HOPE...it's a 4 Letter Word !
Teenagers too
@@-guitarhero I recently attended a wedding. Most of the music was garbage. Toward the end, for some reason the DJ played Billy Joel's Piano Man. And most of the 20-somethings on the dance floor were singing the lyrics at the top of their lungs.
So I got talking to one of them and he told me how my generation's music (I'm 62) is so much better than today's junk.
@@rubygreta1 I'm 40 and totally see it. I stopped listening to new music probably a decade ago and strictly listen to classic rock/80s heavy metal.
@@rubygreta1 You're repeating the same things people said when you were young about your generations music.
Back in the dinosaur days (the 70's) it was a social thing for me and my friends to drive to a record store (could be say 20 minutes away), and spend lots of time browsing, before each coming home with one record, and placing it on the turntable.
Or when my friend called me and told me to come over immediately to hear a record by a band that I didn't know. It was Queen's A Night at the Opera.
Like I said, the dinosaur days. But it was great!
Record buying social club. That's fantastic. Those days are gone sadly.
DJs still do this today at the surviving record stores and the half price books sales. It's called digging.
I'm a high school teacher and my kids just get the same sort of songs recommended to them through the algorithm. The songs they hear are all the same and many can't name their favourite song anymore.
This is actually what I do see around me. The guy in the video says young people have a more "varied" taste than their parents, and even though this is true, I don't completely agree with it.
People my age (early twenties) and younger, seem to gravitate towards the same artists and the same genres of music. So where exactly is all this variety he talks about? All I hear is people listening to rap or edm, which is fine, but is not variety, which is something that always bugged me about my generation.
@@MiguelAngel-ep9vtthis is just incorrect, with the streaming services accessibility to new and different music is so easy and even encouraged especially with platforms like spotify. yes edm and rap are the most popular genre, but there is no doubt that variety in music taste has never been so apparent than in this generation of young people. most parents will tell you the way they heard about new music was whatever was playing on mtv/radio, nowadays u don’t have to be mainstream to have wide appeal
@@MiguelAngel-ep9vt Compared to what? That sounds exactly like how rock was back in the day. Everyone only listened to a couple dozen guitar bands.
Socially music still needs to be popular so it can be recognized communally. Different cities still have waves of what's popular. But as individuals you can listen to anything on your own. Music heads spend a lot of time sifting through it all but not everyone that listens to music is into music.
I think if someone can name their favorite song, then their taste in music is too narrow and isn’t evolving enough. I can name my favorite album or maybe a couple that I could consider favorites but never a favorite song, I listen to a list of genres and artists that’s way too varied to put one specific song above the rest, especially because of how different all the songs sound from eachother.
@@edgyperson9589 I can't list a favorite song, when I'm asked my favorite song I always list favorite at the time but it is constantly changing.
I can name a favorite song from bands. I can also probably list a favorite band. Currently my favorite band is Lovebites, my favorite song from them currently is "Burden of Time" from their 2017 debut "Awakening From the Abyss".
I think radio stations could support younger rock bands a bit more. Here in Australia we have Triple M, which is the only real rock radio station in the country. They hardly ever play new rock songs or new bands. It's always the foo fighters, bon jovi, a slow metallica song and "knocking on heaven's door" by Guns n Roses. So many young rock bands here have quit because they could never get out of the pub scene. Look up Hell City Glamours, they should have been the next big Aussie rock band, but no one gave a shit.
There are so many great young rock bands right now...but no one cares about them because "shit was better back in the 80's" Nostolgia, imo, is what's killing rock music. Support new music.
Absolutely right Triple M thinks foo fighters are young
@@tombreadsell1118 I would eat my hat if Triple M played Thundermother. But all we get is the same foo fighters song they play all the time.
@@windsweptjoe442 they don’t even play other songs from those old bands catalogs either. Like it’d be nice to here anything else from Pink Floyd other than Money
Do they ever play anything from Diorama? I remember in 2000 when diorama came out, IMO that album should have changed music forever, but t didn’t, because here in the states it was never played once on any station. The writing was on the wall even back then. Many of these bands were old even 18 years ago. The station here has played the same U2 song for over thirty years now. David gilmour came out with a great album in 2014. But let's play Money again. The radio had a huge hand in killing rock music.
EXACTLY! THIS RIGHT HERE! Is also the problem in the U.S. A bunch of literal 'Airheads' lazily force feeding the same old shit to our ears repeatedly, instead of showcasing something relative that's not being given any airplay!
A quality rock band is treated today like a really top tier arthouse or independent film. They will get critical praise and people might even recognize it. But it wont get the money or mass audience that its dumber, more formulaic peers will. At best they can be a Quentin Tarantino film, universally loved by critics and audiences but never that big a hit financially.
Exactly
well said.
Maneskin?
Honestly if I was in that position that’s all that would matter to me plus the love of my own craft
There's a lot of amazing indie bands and producers existing today that don't get the recognition and audience they would have 20 years ago. Sometimes they come out with a single or EP then disappear. Knowing they couldn't make it, I would be terrified to try and make it as a musician today.
Kinda sad but true 😢😢😢
Well I was really hyped about this main spotify playlist called "Skena gres"....this playlist consist of all upcoming indie band/group/duo from my country
But the sad thing is like what you said, what if they won't make it to the industry :-(((
What are some of those indie bands you recommend?
@@Yikesjxjd gareth donkin, the diogenes club, real estate, redinho, paul cherry, discoholic, the sea and cake, le flex. What I can think of off the top of my head. Its a very deep sea of music out there.
This dude had it all pretty much figured out…I would like to hear more from him…
There is no more he figured it all
I dnt know man, he had most everything correct except Gen-Xer’s where the first to love their parents music and was readily accepted by all, there wasn’t any ass stomping lol cause you liked some older music
@@juanchavez7274 There was still some tribalism, and the closer to a music scene you were, the more intense it was - if you were Rockabilly, you weren't welcome in the Metal scene, etc. But as time went on, we had more world music coming at us, and alternative bands broke barriers by having multiple races and genders in a single band, often deliberately trying to defy classification. Almost everyone had a secret interest in something outside of their tribe. You are right that we listened to our parents' music - I think Happy Days and the 50s retro fad fed that a lot. I am still shocked when I hear my old rocker friends embracing disco after so much "disco sucks" talk back in the day.
@@juanchavez7274 80’s was very tribal. 90’s seemed to broaden the horizon. Gen X’ers round me (and me) started with hair metal, moved to grunge and classic rock, and then just enjoyed the next decade of one hit wonder 90’s rock bands!
@@hollywoodartchick9740 so true. I'm a 53 year old long haired 80s metal head but my guilty pleasure is the Bee Gees. They were geniuses!
Rock isn't dead, its appeal has become more selective.
Is that a quote from Spinal Tap?
@@richardmoores paraphrased from. lol.
@@M2Mil7er thought so haha
Absolutely. In the 80s it’s what the music industry decided to give us. Processed crap. Then alternative music (college rock) came around behind the scene in the mid 80s. The pre internet scene. If you wanted something different you had to look for it. Often from college radio stations. That’s where Nirvana and other Grunge bands came from. By 2000 you didn’t need a record label to put your stuff out. Before the internet the industry signed a hand full of alternative bands not wanting to over saturate the music scene. Today music saturation is the thing.
@@map3384 Which is fine! Rock N Roll doesn't need to be #1 (even among just whiteboys). It doesn't NEED to be mainstream. Rock and roll does NOT need validation from the masses. When someone cries about rock being dead, it's more about them needing validation and possibly wanting to feel superior. I'd rather see a passionate artist in a smaller venue than a "legend" headline at a festival.
This guy is literally describing everything that i miss about music, and everything i hate about streaming services
I had the glorious experience of seeing Nirvana on Halloween night in 1993, Akron Ohio. Kurt absolutely IS the last pure and genuine rock star.
Was that the time he was dressed as barney and pat or krist was slash?
honestly? i think rock will come back around a lot sooner than we think
I hope so but why
What is your reasoning
Rock will soon be the new again just a matter of time. Rap r n b and country all is the same..... it sucks. I'd say about 2 to 3 yrs
@@charlieboy7502 ok lol yeah just dismiss three entire genres of music lmao
@@charlieboy7502 r & b will NEVER suck tho
I must be old fashioned in my way of enjoying music. When I find a song that I hadn't heard before and love, I find the artist, find the album, then listen to the album in its entirety. I feel like the context of the album adds depth and meaning to the song. There's a reason the artist put it there. I can build a Pandora station and enjoy it, of course, or build a playlist for a theme, but there is an art to album creation that I still value, even if the rest of the world goes all to spotify. Probably because I'm a millennial brought up listening to my dad's classic rock vinyls. Not only gaining appreciation for these bands, but appreciating the medium of the album. I think getting into Pink Floyd helped that further.
Yeah me too. There’s very few artists that I only listen to only a few songs from.
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Music today is experiencing a crisis of abundance. In economic terms, when you have abundance, everything looses it's value. I guess the same is true with art.
It only loses its exchange-value. It doesn't lose its utility-value.
And the truth? Musicians never did get paid. Pre-napster fewer than 3% of artists signed to major labels made more than $600 a year. The whole system was set up so musicians got paid last, and least. And today? Tech has massively democratised a lot of aspects of artistic creation, but in terms of "getting heard", we've basically just swapped one set of gate-keepers with another.
I have been a rock musician (give or take) since the 1980s. The thing that really makes the difference?
rent.
Back in the 80s we could live in squats, and/or the dole paid enough to free us from landlords.
Abundance isn't the problem. Landlords are. Landlords are the death of creativity.
I think you have a Good point there.
Check out Avatar. They will change your mind
roy plisko - i agree. it's a crisis of abundance, and with it, saturation, FOMO, and the relativistic quagmire of aesthetics that we can no longer can agree on. EXCESS
art is still there check out hyper pop
The good: I have a more eclectic taste in music I could have imagined even 20 years ago.
The very bad: There are no concerts I'm particularly interested in because I only know one song from the artist. One by one, the album rock bands are fading away.
i am so glad tool was able to grow when it did. a true album band
50yrs ago it was AOR (album orientated rock) where the album and each song became better as the album progressed and came together. Meaning a little connecting song or riff would sound great, but not necessarily on it's own (if you know what I mean) . Even regular albums you would play an entire side, and then the next album side would drop, so would at least know a few songs and have a truer sense of what the band is about.
I've tried to turn my grand kids onto some stuff, but they simply don't have the time nor attention to listen to an entire album, or even a side. Sad.
Tremonti, Avatar, KoRn and Shinedown are still kicking and producing great music.
In 1987 I saw the Scorpions live. It was an awesome concert with an album full of songs. I can’t imagine liking a modern band that much.
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Music has diversified so much in Culture. When I was a kid, you liked Rock, Rap, Pop or Country and hated the others (generally, not me). Now there is so much crossover and blending of genres, even access to different artists, it isn't the same World.
Yep
MÅNESKIN POP PUNK ETC ARE REALLY BIG
@limelight81 no. Just no
@@tayc9855 Yes. What's your evidence to say no?
My evidence to say no is this video & many other videos like it on UA-cam. If we were truly in a golden age of music, then, I think, there wouldn't be so many vids like this one complaining about current music.
I think lack of heart, passion, talent & genuine creativity is why not just rock, but music in general nowadays is mostly complete turd. Also, I know times & gens change, but seeing the youth of today is a bit depressing and I think it's because everything is so technological now. When you can download an album from your phone or listen to a song quickly whenever you want, this takes away from the mysteriousness of the artist and causes the would be fan to simply discard them and go on to the next manufactured product. There seems to be no real legitimate relationship between artists & fans anymore because of sites such as spotify.
What he's describing is "manufactured consent". Marketing machines pushed these bands as "revolutionary".
THANK YOU!!
People need more Chomsky in their lives
@@kaydgaming people need more parenti. Chomsky came out with great work of course... But he has faen flat. Micheal parenti forever!
Who cares he just a old niggah talking
@@Dirvance and why you say thank you so hard it not all that
It's a more fast-food mentality towards music now. I see it in myself. I'm 23 but I remember when I was 16 and 17 and discovered that an album which sounded like insane noise on the first listen became a psychedelic masterpiece on the 4th or 5th listen. I was into so many bizarre artists back then and really absorbed every note. Nowadays, I find that I would rather play something familiar or just hear a catchy track that I like on the 1st listen. I just don't have the time to sit and listen to albums like I used to... it's a shame. There aren't a lot of things as meaningful as finally "getting it" after listening to an album for the 8th time.
It’s sad that music isn’t as appreciated as much anymore
Parents in 1999 were teens and 20s in the 80s so they were likely bigoted against 90s alt which late GenX loved. Then the boy bands and pop girls happened, even making it onto the Disney Channel to get a new audience of youth. Then 9-11 happened in 2001, American Idol happened in 2002, and people feeling "patriotic fever" that year flocked to the show, making pop even bigger. Then 2007 happened and we get High School Musical 3, but a new generation of kids came about within those 10 years so now they think the entirety of popular music is family-friendly pop songs. It all happened when everybody was fighting the then-current political issues we were facing as new adults - which is important no doubt, but losing what made life so great in favor of corporate mush is a major bummer.
Anyway, all the math is there. Parents, educate your kids, share your music but no music-bigotry.
If you look at the charts over the years. In most cases Rock never did good as singles, that was where pop lived. Rock fans always supported albums, and the Album charts are where Rock dominated in the past. Internet Streaming boosted singles, and not albums.
Thats so true such a good point!
Underrated comment
back in the day a good record was a like a fire you iníciated and danced around it for hours. Albums were temples.
To quote Metallica Sad but true,I’m 50 and am so grateful to have been to many amazing rock shows in big arenas around the world.
I'm 40, agreed. I'm kicking myself for not seeing ZZ Top or Van Halen a few years back. Thankfully, I've seen many good ones.
@@mario10zeus I feel your pain...pity Me...I saw The Grateful Dead the first time in 1971 Led Zeppelin the first time in 1972...Pink Floyd in 73...Smashing Pumpkins in 89...Garbage first time in 96...etc I Miss the Fun...before they left the house lights on.
@@chuckmcbuck9199 I saw Roger Waters in 2012, RCHP, STP, Pearl Jam, GnR, Still waiting for Plant to take his head out his ass and do a Led Zep reunion. Unfortunately, I was born in 1980.
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It's because the mystery is gone. Back in the day, you didn't know how Jimmy Page came up with some of his riffs. Or, how Eddie Van Halen made those tones or finger tapping sounds. Today, almost anyone with a computer can replicate those sounds and make music with a software program. In a way, music has been diluted. Look at all of the many talented musicians on UA-cam.
Also on UA-cam channels like Genius contemporary musicians or better said entertainers explain word by word what they'd meant with the lyrics. What is the point of art if it can only be understood one way?
There’s no excuses lmao
You just full of excuses lol the industry just ain’t it chief
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Well u can make music from your phone so what's the point of bands lol
To put it simply, "No one sings like you any more"
Nothing to be worry about. Best bands and music I've ever heard is done by small bands and sometimes people I know. I do not miss or want anyone to tell me what to listen to. Discovery is up to me. And it should be left to the listener. That's the freedom. No millions in rock? Good. When you are actually educated in something else than 3 chords you can sing about other things than drugs, booze and easy women. Plus normal life may make you actually be close to it. I personally find this excellent.
I agree but it's harder for bands to make money so it seems like it would be less likely for them to last which is too bad for us consumers and music as a whole
@@fookyamang that didn't stop devil doll and death spell omega from making multiple records without a single music video or a live concert.
@Jordy Morcom Yes cause you don't have to click on them and you can still search for whatever you want. Plus the algorithm gives you videos that are close to the ones your already watching.
So how exactly do you go about finding such bands?
@@MiguelAngel-ep9vt for me a little bit of looking at progarchives.com then listening the full album in YT and if I like it I buy a copy. Also, random clicking on what YT recommends but mostly what draws my attention is the album art. Its a hit or miss but if I like it then I buy a copy again. Lastly, is just searching what other people recommend in comments section.
And If I like it, I buy a copy again.
Try Hypnos 69 - Requiem for a dying creed and Beardfish - Sleeping in Traffic Pt. 2. Both are very long songs though 15 mins and 35 mins respectively. 🙂
I'm a child of the 70's. I saw Alice and Sabbath and Rush and Queen and Van Halen, etc. in giant stadiums with tens of thousands of people. It was pretty cool. I've also gone to shows in "art spaces" where 12 or 15 people show up. That's cool too. I saw Prurient perform in an elementary school gym. His merch table was under the basketball hoop. I saw Pere Ubu and Rocket From The Tombs so many times at the Beachland Ballroom that I remembered the faces of the other regulars. We would nod at one another. So there's a lot to be said for the more intimate concert experience. But I do miss stadium rock shows, and I think it's kind of sad that new generations will never really know what they were like.
Man you're so lucky that you got to see black Sabbath, van Halen AND Queen, queen is my second favorite band.
I am so fortunate.
I have lived through the 60's 70's and 80's.
Absolutely fantastic music.
I am so fortunate that I was born in the 00's, I can listen to all of the greatest songs anytime anywhere.
Sadly I can't ever go to a Dire Straits or Deep Purple concert.
How old your age
@@denisuntoro 65
@@gerardmcnally nice to meet you sir 🤘
@@denisuntoro You too mate.
It's hard EH? Take good care and keep researching!
Music evolves with society. There are still amazing rock bands, just like there are still amazing jazz bands. But the era in which rock is the dominant form of popular music is over, just as the jazz era ended decades ago..
It evolved alright, only backwards. It's not just rock, i don't find any genre which exceeds previous generations in terms of quality and impact (Pop, Hip hop, RnB, electronic you name it)?
Very good point. We’ve entered a new age and people are trying to catch up that reality.
Rock was dead in the 80s when hair metal took over but these garage bands brought rock back as grunge i hope something similar happens
Execellent point. Perhaps in the future a new form of music will emerge from the culture, which could be in the same vein as rock. A music of rebellion against the status quo
As a 19 year old, like 4 years ago I discovered music from the 50s-80s…now that’s the only thing I listen to and I can’t get myself to like today’s music, it just sounds so watered down
lmao are you serious or memeing?
@@Bauernade obviously
My 18 year old is completely devoted to 90's R&B and rap, but also really loves disco. He's open to other songs, too, but has found his identity in the 90's. So, maybe this will be a theme; young listeners may choose their musical genre like people choose their new sources.
Iron Maiden - listen to that
That’s awesome! When I was a kid, my parents had tons of old and new records from the 50s to 70s. I just can’t imagine my childhood music on an iPhone. Then we had cassettes in the 80s and watched MTV just waiting for certain songs and seeing artists singing for the first time. There was an excitement and anticipation that music doesn’t have now. Also, today it’s about looks, life drama, personality, dancing, talk shows, paparazzi, and LASTLY talent.
Even more than the quality of sound and lyrics, I miss the sense of identity and collective energy as a unity, not a fragmented blob like it became today.
Very well said.
What an incredibly insightful description.
Thank you.
The arts/music have been devalued since the Internet, more and more.
"I haven't seen a TV...do you know what it means when there's no TV?- no MTV." -The Lost Boys
I think of the best points made was when he said that another reason why the genre isn't as popular is because people aren't listening to albums in full anymore like they did back in the day. "You'd listen to an album that had about 12-13 songs on it and on repeat and that album became your world". That is very true because I think back to the days when I used to buy CDs at my local record store and I would listen to the albums in full and I would get really attached to the music. My high school years were in the mid 2000s and I was lucky enough to experience the CD collecting craze when I was in middle school which is when I started getting into rock music and I bought quite a few CDs and that pass time stuck with me till I was about 15 and I got my first Ipod.
But before then, I would listen to the albums I bought in full on my walks to and from school or just going out and about and just like Alan said, those albums did become my world, the songs would stick around in my head and they still do today. These days I notice with the younger generation that they don't really listen to albums in full, they just listen to like 1 or 2 songs and then move on to the next artist/singer. So I do think the "they don't get to really grow with the artist/band" thing is very true.
This is a really good video and I agree with the speaker a lot. Thank you for posting this
What is that guy talking about? My friends and I were all 90's Alternative music kids, and we all loved Classic Rock, too. I've never heard of any Alternative music fan being at "war" with Rock fans. If anything, we Alternative kids hated Rap or Country.
If you were a kid in the 90s then you were already part of that changed world. Grunge was the last gasp of that old world. What this guy is talking about happened mainly in the 70s/80s. And yes, it was very unusual to find kids that "crossed the tribes". Some were respected for it and some were hated for it. Even the hardcore punks and the metal heads didn't usually cross despite the music being similar.
@@LividImp I see what you're saying, and I agree with it. I was a teenager in the mid-90's, but I had heard of the Punk and Metal kids not getting along in the 80's. I think he should have used that as a good example, instead of the Alternative/Classic Rock one.
@@ShamrockNRoller The grunge era was a mixing of punk, metal, and classic rock. So those barriers had kind of been pulled down. And the term "alternative rock" had completely become a marketing term for radio stations at that point.
Ok, if you can tolerate an old man's ramblings, it helps to get a perspective on the cultural/music landscape. So in the mid 70s punk rock comes along. But "punk" in those days meant anything that didn't fit into what we today call "classic rock". The first punk bands were bands like Patti Smith, Blonde, Talking Heads, Suicide, Television, and of course, The Ramones. If you know those bands you'll know that they aren't much alike, and only The Ramones are what we today would call "punk" nowadays. "Punk" in those days was a scary term and people would avoid you or hit you for saying you listened to punk. But radio stations want to sell this music so they started calling it "the new wave" so it was safe and marketable to Norm suburban kids. But the real punks were having none of this marketing bullshit and rejected the "new wave" moniker. Then punk cleaved in two with the fanatics going down the "hardcore punk" route (Black Flag, Fear, Exploited, etc.) and the other half was into other types of music that was more easy going. That other music is what we now call "Post-Punk" (Joy Division, Magazine, The Jam, etc.), but at the time no such term was used at the time. Because there was no term at the time, when people asked you what music you listened to, you'd say, "I listen to alternative music". "Alternative music" was _not_ a genre yet and just a way of saying you didn't listen to radio rock.
If you were in a big enough city in the 80s (LA/NYC/SD/Seattle) there was a niche radio station that played this type of music and they picked up on this "alternative music" term and started calling the music "alternative" as a genre (though, not with the word "rock" attached yet because a lot of it was more synth/dance driven). That music steadily got more and more popular through the 80s and completely blew up on August 27, 1991. After that, every mainstream rock radio station rebranded themselves as a "Alternative Rock" station. Which was the actual death of Alternative, since the alternative was now the mainstream. Eventually the "Alternative Rock" moniker got played out and they started using "Indie" as a genre (despite "indie" originally meaning _any_ music on an independent label). But my point is that it is all marketing. The underground is trying to stay one step ahead and the mainstream constantly catching up.
Most of the new shit being played after about 1992 was _not_ Alternative. There was still an underground playing great music, but it sure as shit wasn't Marilyn Manson or Bush or Nickleback. The record industry is like you mother. When she hears you playing Nirvana, thinks she gets it, and goes out to buy you a Creed album for your birthday, then can't understand why you don't like it.
If you want to know what was really interesting in the early 90s, you have to look into bands like Cop Shoot Cop, Foetus, Arcwelder, etc. that weren't on the radio. By the late 90s you had the Garage Rock Revival starting that was producing good stuff. (Btw, for some reason Wikipedia has conflated the Garage Rock Revival and the Post-Punk Revival. They are _not_ the same thing. Garage Rock is a very raw underground rock from the mid 60s and Post-Punk is a more varied new wavey sound from the early 80s.) Anyway, the White Stripes came out of the Garage Rock Revival, but there were a slew of other good bands that never got due like The Paybacks, The Detroit Cobras, Backyard Babies, etc. The Paybacks are arguably better than The White Stripes.
Umm, wow, I wrote a fucking book, didn't I? Sorry bout that. Can you tell I'm passionate about the subject?
@@LividImp That was all very interesting to read. I'm a music guy myself, so I already knew a lot of that, but I learned some stuff too. You also gave me a bunch of bands to check out, which is great. I'm always looking for new (old) stuff to listen to. Thanks for writing all of that!
@@ShamrockNRoller Absolutely man. Consider me an evangelical for underground rock. Between myself and older friends, we lived it all. If you ever want a suggestion, hit me up. I've got decades of this stuff battering the inside of my brain. I make UA-cam playlists too, but it is just stuff I run across at any particular moment, it's not at all comprehensive.
As a rock and metal fan,I personally feel it didn't die,wont die,there will always be metal. But the mass appeal is definitely going.
Great Interview.
This video broke my heart, truly hit the nail on the head.
The nature of modern society, especially the media, militates against (and renders impossible) the occurrence of cultural phenomena like Nirvana -- or the archetypal Big Band, the Beatles -- for all the reasons Mr. Cross mentioned and others. What Cross hinted at, but failed to elaborate on, is the massive significance of the now permanent eradication of Scarcity of Access and Exposure to artists -- a critical factor in fostering the kind of hype, anticipation, mystique, etc., necessary to the creation of an Entertainment Sensation. People now have instant, free, 24-hour easy access to every piece of media in existence that features any and every band in all of history. When folks had to wait for videos to come on MTV, or songs on the radio, or special appearances on Ed Sullivan, etc., it rendered those rare experiences precious (and could result in thousands of rabid fans -- who had exhausted all possible exposure to the Beatles through what little media was available in 1964 -- turning up at Kennedy Airport to catch one of those rare glimpses of the Lads). Fans were simply at the mercy of TV and radio programmers, and when desire to hear a band's music attained a certain critical mass in each listener, he went out and spent his hard-earned money on albums, singles, videos, etc., which in turn made those possessions precious. Consensus of the gatekeepers was a contributing factor, but not as important as scarcity of access - which not only drove demand and abetted buzz, but largely eliminated the possibility of fan burn-out and overexposure.
To be sure, Nirvana was a band quite worthy of its huge popular status -- a perfect storm, in fact, of all the best Rock Star elements: from the incredible, excellent, groundbreaking and paradigm-shifting music (much appreciated during an extended doldrums in pop-rock, which had drifted rather off course), to Cobain's great voice, looks, punk demeanor on- and off-stage, the band's unparalleled energy at live shows (wherein the Who's tradition of Smashing up the Stage and Instruments was revived), a healthy (or what later proved not so healthy) dose of scandal, sordidness, and proper punk angst and edge filling up the tabloids, and so on. . . . It was almost an impossibly perfect Rock Fable. Even if a black swan band did emerge today -- a band somehow matching Nirvana's off-the-charts prowess across the whole gamut -- it could never capture the public's interest and break through in the same way, on the same scale, for the reasons mentioned above.
Exactly. Even in the 90s your favorite band would get its music video on once a day which made it an event. There might be a magazine article about them, or a tv interview, but it was mostly the songs on the radio, the album, the album notes, etc. it made them an event and also led to teens just creating myths about who they were. Add that to the monoculture and bands became absolutely huge. I also think rock’s day may have come. The internet fragmented the music scene and what’s on rock radio is either thirty years old or bland, kids don’t listen to it or play it. Most of the great bands of the last fifteen years ago were listened to and by people who were young adults at the time and knew how to seek them out. It’s a shame, but it happened to jazz and blues and folk and all the other music of the 20th century. Rock is already an outlier for being the dominant popular music form for over half a century
Bingo ! You said it all.....
You are correct Sir, but add to that, the short attention of society in general, the inability to practice a skill, to create something unique, and you have a perfect downward spiral.
@@patrickrenau2232 See I feel this is a misnomer though, because skills are more accessible than ever. If you know how you can find tips and insights you'd have to wait a lifetime for in a different era. I can "consult" singers, songwriters, guitarists, drummers, saxophonists, keys players, engineers, producers, etc. And so I think without a filter system in place consumers in some sense aren't shown what to value. That might have some back effect on what people pursue in terms of a skill, but I don't think it's that artists aren't able to deliver, more that listeners are groomed towards certain choices for a profit motive, so that even if a crazy act came along, many people wouldn't have the triggers necessary to identify that band/act as great except by their own experiences. I think music NEEDED those artificial limits in place to create culturally relevant music. Not only that, but there were some GOOD CHOICES along the way! I see a lot of cynicism about "gatekeeping" and stuff in the comments, but without people curating the output of artists to some degree, would people have that quality control that goes along with it? Well you can answer that by looking at modern pop! A lot of modern pop/hiphop is songwriting trash because the thing just is meant to make money, not support cultural growth. WAP HAS no cultural significance, it's just a collection of idolatry and familiar production elements. Yet it's hugely successful. That's the fault of producers.
I don't agree with not being able to listen to hard rock or metal and listen to alternative. I know it's his opinion and I respect it but I grew up on both.
Especially when all the big grunge bands sited the legacy classic rock bands as their musical inspirations. You should always have a healthy respect and love for Both styles of music. Makes for a much fuller life.
There was an attitude back then for sure. I was never accepted by a scene because I was all over the place. I liked hip-hop, all types of rock, blues and anything I could connect with lyrically. Scenesters are pretty narrow minded, at least back then
When folks like Drake and Swift don't have one song in the billboard top 10, but occupy the whole top 10, you know music has gone down in general. Gems can still be found, just not in mainstream commercial music
The 70s 80s really were the best time to grow up , I was a ROCKER
Personally, I really do believe the issue is much much bigger than I ever hear anyone talk about. Between the telecommunications act of 1996 which compressed hundreds of media companys into 6? I believe it was. Which is why you hear the same 10 songs on the radio for 10 years. Labels shut their doors and the ones who made it through, were no longer willing to take chances on new bands unless they had a winning formula that had worked with a previous band, which is why you can't tell the difference between seether and 3 days grace lol. We've had years and years of that at this point now, the public is pretty well conditioned to not question what's given to them(most of us anyway) you know its fucked when Billie eyelash is being compared to Kurt Cobain. I mean, give me a damn break. We would need a major cultural shift and a way for newer bands to be exposed to the masses the way MTV did. When MTV died, a huge piece of rock died. The people are 21 and younger don't even know of a world in which MTV was a dominant force in music. Now if you have trap beats, 808s, and emo type of vocals, its considered rock. I'm sorry na brah. I'm pro gate keeping if it's at a moderate level. I think it's healthy for music in small doses. Otherwise music gets diluted to hell the way it is now. unfortunely, I really don't believe there's any going back. Our society is sliding into a dark place and good rock music, requires you to think/question your existence and the things around you. In general, People of the world don't think for themselves anymore.
Agreed 100% Especially that last part. Keep in mind the world leaders, none on them or governments want a thinking populace. They don't want people to think for themselves. The want everyone to be mindless obedient robots who don't question anything and just believe what they are told and do what they are told through absolute blind obedience
Hey hey!
Things come and go, they always have. Rock music once swept jazz aside as the dominating genre in the mainstream. Before that jazz took over from classical. People just want somethinf different eventually. It's nothing bad. I am a rock musician myself. Nothing we can do. Rock will still be heard and loved by many people, just not the main force anymore, much like the aforementioned jazz and classical. Hiphop dominates now, but will eventually give way to something else in 50 or so years. Let's all just enjoy the music we love and support the artists that touch us deep down, what else can and need we do anyway?
Oh, and btw, I highly recommend you the song "When the party's over" by Billie Eilish. I am not a fan of them by any means. But this song is simply amazing. And I wrote 'them' intentionally, because Billie and her brother do everything themselves. They write and he produces. Finneas is a couple years older than Billie and has been grinding as a musician for years. Really good writer and producer.
Have a good day!
Cheers :)
@@muenchhausenmusic No im good. I don't support people who shill for the weirdos in Hollyweird. She's a part of the machine and I can't stand it.
@@commodore6430 Two questions:
1. What are your favourite musical artists?
2. How well do you know the machine?
I agree with you 100% but i believe there is a ton of originallity to be had from "808s and trap beats", especially in the underground. if you havent explored it enough, i highly suggest you do so, theres so many innovative small artists and its honestly a shame the mainstream is oversaturated with songs that sound the same
Grunge Era.... You will never see anything like it ever again
Thank god.
@@wickedlee664 not thank god
@@wickedlee664 what do you prefer that has happened recently, or at least, in your lifetime?
And that's okay. Things need to move on.
Thrash
Grunge
Nu Metal
This was an excellent discussion! 👏👏👏
Great interview!
I really like going to records stores for the community aspect, it's really cool to find people that know what you're talking about😂😂
One benefit of the internet is that I've been able to find and listen to many bands from around the world. Without streaming services I would not have such a broad range of artists that I enjoy.
How did he explain it so PERFECTLY, like Jesus he just explained me down the exact detail.
SUCH a good video. Thank you
There's thousands of good Rock bands; the thing is you are expecting mainstream/comercial rock bands that honestly many times sound more like pop when you compare them to others non mainstream...
Rock has an interesting relationship with hip hop. As a fan of both genres, i can see that when rock flourished in the 80s and 90s, hip hop existed in a similar way that rock exists in todays music. As we entered the 2000s, it slowly faded away through the 2010s. It has been ovetaken by hip hop. Rock will make its resurgence within the next 20 years and the cycle will continue. Pop music however, fuck that shit hahaha.
The 2000s had good rock as well that’s probably the last decade with good rock
80s rock was crap, it peaked in late 70s. Hip hop has been in a really bad state since the 90s.
@John Deere nah wouldn't say so, plenty of good hip hop records out there. And Kanye is the embodiment of zeitgeist. But it is in a bad state, comparable to the flood of commercial rock drivel in the 80s, not everything that is coming out now is bad, but most of it is. Just as with rock in the 80s.
@John Deere lol hip hop isn’t trash the 90s had insane music
@@Lemon-rk9hq 2010s and 2020s have great rock bands but they would probably not appeal to the US market because most of them sing in Japanese.
Royal Blood are pretty good, I recommend checking them out.
I love them, but sometimes I feel they commit the ACDC sin of making songs that (sometimes) are too much alike
@@Garrida I love that about Royal Blood. I love all the similar songs
Ffs
meh
@@EhEsDeeEf fair enough. I mean, they're no Nirvana.
The single best analysis of the dearth of present day rock I have ever heard.
Very very interesting interview. Great discussion.
I think technology has taken over what “music” is. There’s many great rock bands out there still making amazing music newer ones like Greta Van Fleet, The Sruts, Lemon Twigs. All great bands keeping rock going and I enjoy it. I wish music was kept old fashioned with instrument playing, no auto tune, it seems like anyone these days can become a artist not a musician an artist. Rock is still alive.
Greta van fleet are poser hacks who ripped led zeppelin off so bad...they even started as a cover band, they copped their style and sound so bad is ridiculous
@@LED7ZEPPELIN7NEMEC sounds like a personal problem ❤️ but frs give them a listen some songs do sound zeppelin but their newer stuff is amazing
@@LED7ZEPPELIN7NEMEC Just because they sound like another band doesn't mean they sound bad, I understand the originality arguement but personally I think their good. Some songs sound like Led Zeppelin but I think for the most part they have developed their own sound.
@@greatvaluecrunchynuggets6918 yeah I dont see it, watch led zeppelin live then a Greta van fleet concert....they even rip off the mannerisms of robert plant and jimi page so bad, even the inflections in the singers voice and the clothes they wear are styled from that era of zeppelin(or at least an ethos of what they think it was)....I mean hell greta van fleet started as a led zeppelin cover band too this day you can find old performances of them covering led zeppelin stuff, to me it's simply derivative and represents music as a commodity
@@LED7ZEPPELIN7NEMEC the clothing is centered around the 70s era because those dudes love 70s and 80s music they play that kind of raw rock and they wanna be like those old bands - watch some interviews - personally i think they are great and the new album doesnt sound like zeppelin at all
I have somewhat of an old school approach to music still. I still do the band/artist hunt. I always wanna find that band I can really invest in, and listen to their whole catalog. I still buy the CDs, if I like them. It doesn't bother me that bands don't get super big anymore. I'm really grateful to have access to so much amazing music now that I didn't when I was younger. The only thing that bothers me is that nonsensical, vapid, "edgy" music is the type that gets most the attention online, while music that's more heartfelt and serious has become a very niche thing it seems.
I just stumbled on your work while researching the history of rock in pursuit of answers to some of the same questions you're asking and I so appreciate what you're doing. It took me until recently to realize that rock was very mainstream when I was young (90s) and then stopped being so popular. I've been revisiting my lifelong passion for variations of rock music (metal, punk etc) in this clearer context. This video articulates something so interesting very well. I'm grateful for it.
Also I dislike the Beatles so... It's not impossible.
What a spot on analysis 👏🏻
I think one aspect that doesn't get talked about enough is the shift in attitude that rock music had. From being mainly party music in the 50s-80s to becoming more sullen and sad from the 90s-00s. I think a lot of this has to do with kurt cobain too, partially because he influenced a whole generation to, but more importantly because record labels tried to find the next cobain and started promoting acts that were just as somber, which didn't really work cause Cobain was a once in a lifetime talent. So now, after two decades of pushing sad, grungy/punk bands, (a lot of whom are talented, it's just not what gets mainstream attention) people think rock is dead.
The labels also myopically focused on the sadness in Kurt's songs without really acknowledging the humor and sarcasm. Music got sadder without any of the other stuff that made Nirvana work.
the spirit our age condemns the rock personality. These musicians would live anarchic and rude lives. we would celebrate this. they would wreck hotel rooms and have sex with groupies. the rewards called a different group of people. Also the instruments called a different group of people. The audience called a different group too. The audience wants the more slick corporate product with most things nowadays. Our culture of safety killed rock.
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Exactly! Grunge and post grunge KILLED rock because it took away the very essence of what rock and roll is supposed to be: FUN.
It has also become much harder to come up with new sounds and genres (I know a genre is not created intentionally). Music has reached a kind of postmodern state that everything you can think of musically and stylistically is already out there. That's why the novelty factor (which partly made the great bands great) is already missing.
Lol, you really have no idea what you are talking about. You need to dig deeper into the underground. There was never so much creativity and new genres as today. But artists are condemned to be stuck in the underground. You probably just click on recommended youtube videos, and search for the things you already know.
I have listened to a whole bunch of underground styles and a lot of them were quite unusual or extreme. I composed a few completely atonal pieces and I even wrote a microtonal ballad (I'm not saying it to brag or something, that would be quite cringeworthy lol, I just want to clarify that I admire creativity a lot). All I'm saying is that music writing kind of plateaued in the 21th century. Of course songwriters can be innovative, but it's more like putting together songs from already existing elements than coming up with completely new styles that noone ever heard of.
Of course I can be wrong and maybe from a wider perspective music is still evolving just like it did in the '60s but I currently don't see that.
@@lippi2171 Depending on the styles that you like, of course, I don't know what kind of comparisons you are making. I think someone playing a single acoustic guitar, if creative, can come up with something very original. Of course, it will still be just one acoustic guitar. If you want to be picky you can say that regarding rock and heavy metal, after Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath, in the 60's and 1970's, nothing was as groundbreaking as that, ever again.
@@lippi2171 I thought the same when listening to what was on the charts, a lot of it was quite good but some of it sounded kind of anachronistic like it could’ve come straight from the 80s and Ik it’s a very popular decade rn so it makes sense but it doesn’t feel like we’re experiencing much new new stuff but Tbf the mainstream charts aren’t representative of all music so there’s that
I really agree (with both of you), mainstream music is not really representative! There's probably a lot of interesting and fresh music out there in a lot of subgenres, I won't deny it. My original comment was about the video's topic so about big rock bands and mainstream music.
Funny, what he described at the end about never being satisfied with the music you listen to because surely there's something better out there reminds me of what I've heard people say about online dating. The way the apps change the way we appreciate/look at other people. As someone who was a teen before everything became so easily accessible via smart phones I love the ability to listen to whatever music I want at any time. But I am grateful to have lived some years without the level of instant gratification/fomo we have today.
I miss the identity of the bands, the pleasure of waiting to see my show on mtv and I miss getting to know new artists through records. oh man, I miss nirvana so bad!
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I was born in '89 so I got to see the last little bit of the pre-internet music landscape. My first rock music memory was seeing Nirvana on MTV when I was a little kid. Then p2p sharing and burned CDs were the norm by the time I was in middle school. From there it was iPods and eventually streaming on smartphones. It's funny to think that MTV still had some dominance during these big changes of the early 2000's via shows like "TRL." You could even argue that the last big era in rock was the Emo/Hot-Topic era around 2004-2007, but only a handful of those artists got big enough to do arenas. After that, the rock music on the charts slowly became less rock and more pop/electronic in terms of arrangement and production. Bands like Imagine Dragons and Twenty One Pilots are great examples of this change. I miss those big rock bands of yesteryear, especially those amazing recordings that you just don't get now because the budgets are gone. But I also like that artists have more control over their product and revenue these days. It's a trade-off for sure.
I wasn’t big on emo but a band from that era I really like is Brand New. Not sure if they’d be labeled emo or alternative but they’re an example of a band that probably would’ve been far more commercially successful if they had been around 5 years before they got big
@@bodhi8297 Totally agree! They were one of the most mature bands to come out of that time for sure. If they had come around a little earlier like you said I'm sure they would have been even bigger. Plus "Quiet Things..." had a lot of MTV play and I'd always see frat guys in the pit at their shows, haha. Reminds me of what Dave Grohl said about jocks coming to Nirvana shows once they hit it big.
Yeah I was born in late 88' so I'm right there with you. One of my favorite eras in music (not just rock) is the 90s and even back in the 2000s I knew that I had just missed out on something great. The commercialization of music in the 2000s was lame. I think it's actually improved since then with the greater access to independent artists starting in the 2010s till present day.
@limelight81 Thanks! Will do! I think I've seen one of his videos a while back and really enjoyed it. EDIT - just subbed after watching his video on Autotune. Great channel.
@@MH-et5sn Great point about the commercialization of music in the early 2000's. Back then it was so easy for tv/radio/labels to capitalize on a new trend and run it into the ground, simply because they controlled all the distribution. A lot of new artists were being signed based on their image and how similar they were to the last big thing. I think that was a big factor in why so many people hopped on the piracy train, aside from it being really easy. By that point a lot of major label albums were just 1-2 singles padded by 9 filler songs and they still had the nerve to charge $10 for the CD ($20 if you were at FYE!) and the diversity among these artists was growing smaller every year.
I agree with him. There are just so many musicians to choose from. No one artist will probably ever get as big as they got 30 or 50 years ago. I will listen to some old stuff. I will listen to some new stuff. But there will be a larger number of moderately successful people. For example maybe back in the day there were only 15 true pop stars in any given year. I think there are today like 40 different moderate popularity pop stars in any given year. You know there names so I won't list them all. I don't think any of them are as big as Nirvana was. Well, maybe Drake is I guess.
Rock will live on. I see more young people wearing Nirvana shirts today than when I was a kid or even a few years ago. I think rock will increase in popularity right now. Everything moves in fads. Some things emerge. Some things go away. Maybe the electronic thing will decrease right now as guitars begin to ascend again. But I think it is mostly rappers that have guitars on their songs. So bands? Bands are more of a 60s-90s thing. I don't think bands will be big again for awhile. Except for like BTS type stuff and I don't actually believe BTS is that big, they just have really devoted fans. Personally I think BTS is really corny and their English lyrics for 1 or 2 songs are just... that's something weird. Some catchy songs, but very weird and I don't think they will gain truly broad support (though they have). You know what I mean.
I thought BTS was really corny at first. (Their older songs are more hip hop, so I prefer those) As for the English songs, they're fun and all but they're nothing compared to their normal songs, mainly because they're not writing the English ones. They said they were never gonna do English songs but they keep making them now? No hate but I thought one was enough, now it seems kinda weird.
Also a lot of people wearing Nirvana shirts thinks it's a brand or just never listened to the band
Drake as big as Nirvana....please anybody kill me now...just shoot
@@naromecuas8635 put a bullet in me too
Please stop with the Nirvana shirt thing like they really improved rock in anyway
@@NikephorosCaesar can you define improvement in rock?
great video!
Some of the best experiences I had listening to music was on cassette tape. Due to it being so cumbersome to fast forward to the next track I would often just listen to albums from start to finish every time I listened to them. It's amazing how much liberation can be a curse. Art thrives in adversity. So does enjoying art.
His last point really hit home with me.
I remember stealing Physical Graffiti from a drug store.
I listened to that double album for weeks before I cared about any other music in my life.
It just consumed me...and that's how it was.
I had no access to 60 million songs at the click of a button.
Thank you God....
You really did bless me.
Sorry for stealing.
Its that distilled obsession with something so good that created true fans who spent all year getting excited about a new album coming out by the favourite band.
I’m 48 and I have a friend who’s younger than me, 30 or so from New York. I’m always asking him to send me some good rock bands that I haven’t heard of. He’s totally into the underground music scene in NYC...whatever that might be,lol. Sometimes he sends me 20-30 bands at a time to check out that he’s actually seen live or not. I do have a lifeline to rock music 🎵 which is nice in 2021.
“If Nirvana came out today” is impossible to know, because they changed rock history and influenced where we are now
Great talk.
This is a theme we see all the way across the spectrum in our generation: we've moved from community based thinking, to individualistic thinking
Not really, on some aspects, we're way more tribal than before (politics, morals, even friggin diets)...but when it comes to music, its actually a good thing that gatekeeping and tribalism are on their way to die off. We can finally listen to whatever reflects our true selves instead of fearing the gatekeepers who even threatened to cut our friendships if we ever got caught listening to Oasis or the Backstreet Boys if we were supposed to be metalheads or punk kids.
@@MrAlepedroza true, I don't *ever* want that to come back no matter the circumstances that music is in.
The reason is because the next generation is more into technology. Many of the biggest acts today are EDM dj's and SoundCloud rappers. People in their late teens and early 20's want music that fits their lifestyle; a soundtrack for social media, video games, dating apps, turnin' up, and tik tok. Analog and acoustic instrument based music doesn't match their digital existence.
Yeah I for sure can relate to this being as I'm 19 about to turn 20 in a few months, yk I have about 4 playlist for every genre I listen to and for whatever mood I'm in
Hit the nail on the head. But I would argue there are less musicians who want to push the boundaries, as well. Nobody wants to sit through a 12-minute song as part of a concept album, so nobody spends the time to compose a 12-minute song as part of a concept album.
Musicians who are “signed” don’t write their own music, or, work with studio musicians to write it. The studio musicians are paid to write simple, memorable tunes to maximize replayability. Pink Floyd, and Zeppelin would have never made it in today’s landscape. The Beatles would have made their first album, and either broken up, or been forced to repeat it for the next ten years.
Even instrument bands use computers and software to craft their songs! Polyphia writes the songs on a computer, then figures out how to play them on the instruments
I would argue that technology has stunted the imaginations of young people and they want simple, short, mathematical jingles that won't distract them from Twitter or inspire any mystery about how it was created. They also, like all young people want to feel legitimate in the world so they tend to conflate whatever lame fad they're into. This music will go the way of disco soon enough and you'll all be laughing at how foolish you used to look and how seriously you took yourself.
@@Mike28625 don’t get me wrong, I don’t like 99% of tech bands or music. Hated synthesizers in the 80’s. But Some if these bands do make complex, cool music. Knower and Polyphia as two examples
I don't have time to watch the video but I am sure it is great one, I just wanted to test my internet connection by opening a random page, yes it's working. Keep up the good work
Lotta good points in this interview and no judgment.
Seems like many of the 'world changing' artists were wielding a "new sound." Amps, pickups etc are about 70 year old technologies. Western Classical musics heyday was from Medieval times to about 1920. It all changed with semiconductors, pickups, amps etc. IMO..Much of this sounds like the artists who use the tech can't reinvent the wheel which hinders the excitement of a "new" thing.
i agree, new sounds= new inspirations= new styles. Sometimes using new technologies in a way in which they weren't intended can lead somewhere special.
To be a fast food worker means you are paid to spend as little time as possible preparing the food, throwing together prefabbed ingredients resulting in mediocre meals that are mass-produced quickly.
This is what modern music production has come to as well.
Oh yeah.
Woah....I need to read this lol
Very thought provoking!!
plus seeing the pictures and also the lyrics sometimes were in the cd . it was a different world then.. and a lot of fun
It's a combination of technology and work ethic. People have significantly more hobbies now due to the incredible amount of entertainment we have. Learning an instrument or writing profound lyrics isn't appealing to the masses anymore. The passion for music isn't there because we have a billion songs we can put on at a moments notice. Also, the majority of artists that are out today do not take the time to perfect their craft. They half-ass it and the next thing you know tons of simpletons eat it up. They get rewarded for generic music so they don't feel the need to push the envelope. This goes for any genre, not just rock. There was a clear and present desire for creating genuine content way back when.....but not anymore. There are still a handful of fantastic bands and artists out there today, but it's not the goldmine it once was.
Excellent point. You could be a gamer and just hear music in the background. Similarly with other media that is not music based but has it playing in the background. And that satiates your appetite. Or your hobbies leave you no time for music and that’s not a problem.
Well back then artists were popular for their music and not much else. Imagine in the 70’s before MTV and even after MTV I’d rarely catch my favorite songs. Nowadays, artists are popular for their looks, personality, style, life drama, and lastly musical talent. I think that’s the difference more than anything else. Btw I think today’s music is garbage.
Rubbish...there's simply no market for it anymore as kids don't wanna see it.
I remember Napster. I started with top 40 and ended up listening Boss Nova, Nina Simone, Buena Vista social club and other stuff I never would have been exposed to otherwise.
Oh man, I miss Napster! Thanks fur reminding me.
Interesting to hear this perspective. Other types of music seem to have the same thing going on. I’m always surprised at the number of younger people who listen to dance music from like the ‘80s. I even see many (not just young) who listen to music (excluding classical) from like the early 1900s. Stuff like ragtime.
Music is kind of in the same boat as other media. Everyone has to compete with classic commercial art while new works are constantly being created. As was alluded to here (the comment re:Spotify and music discoverability) I suspect we’ll need the help of AI to help navigate through it.
This makes me feel very lucky to have grown up in the 80s. They were great groups an artist in the 80s but not so far removed from the awesome music of the 60s and 70s. But this is depressing to know that those days are gone and we may never get that kind of music again.
Thank God for streaming
Dont worry. Rock will come back around. Rock and Metal thrive when they're not in the mainstream. Rock isn't mainstream anymore so any day now there is probably going to be a breakout band.
there is gon be one zep level fuckin band coming out, with authenticity and real music very soon and all em bts and pop stars aint gon see shit and i hope itll take us outa the rut we're in
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@@sonicarvalho they are a little bit to boring for a zep level band
ok with metal they do better in the shadow but rock, i dont know
I, directly, blame metal for killing rock. Metal knowing it's place is the best thing for rock. Next time you hear a rock band do well that's not metal, just shut up. Rock can be a lot of things, a lot more than metal.
I have hundreds of cds and a good collection of vinyl. The best part is, I can listen without ads!
Spot on
The main reason Rock music is dying is because the sound has become stale. Similar guitar progressions, vocal styles and beats were being recycled by multiple bands, which made the genre boring. Compare that to Hip Hop, where artists innovate and come up with unique sounds on a regular basis, this is what keeps the Genre fresh. Rock is not dead, nor will it ever die... but it will remain comatose from now on, and a few people will come to see it at the hospital for a few visits, before moving on to bigger and better things 😌
This the most honest and clearly explained perspective on why rock is dead today
i'm 18 and my generation is so different and honestly robotic feeling to me but thank god i was raised by parents who were musicians that had grateful dead books, alice in chains cds, and even vinyl records of tammy wynette, bilie holiday, janis joplin and so many more artists. i think that personally it has a lot to do with the reason why my generation is so insanely different but i could just be saying some pointless shit too.
I'm a normal person
I see Chris and Kurt
I click
Good way to keep albums relevant in the era of Spotify, especially if you are a bit ADD like me and don't what the time committment of sitting through a full album of a band you only know from one song: When you hear a track you like, add it to Playlist A. Then as you do that, add the entire album or an entire Best-Of compilation that the track is from onto Playlist B.
If you want something familiar you listen to Playlist A. But when you are feeling a bit more musically adventurous, put Playlist B on shuffle.
That way you are listening to new music, but at the same time you know that every artist you will hear on Playlist B has made at least one song that you like, which significantly increases the odds that you will hear something else that you like. You then add the best of those newly-discovered songs to Playlist A (the playlist of songs you have heard and liked).
If over time you hear 2 or 3 songs from the same album that you feel, then the first song wasn't a fluke and you should give the whole album, or at least other tracks from that artist, a go. This is pretty much how I got into Little Dragon, my favourite band of the modern era.
And some bands have album and EP tracks, B-sides and rarities that match or even exceed the quality of some of their singles (looking at you, The Verve), so this is a good way to give those hidden gems a chance to shine.
Another good one would be playing CDs in your car while driving, look for a CD that has a song you like, then play the whole CD over time while driving and you may stumble onto new songs you like and you get to at least hear the one song you like.