1,000 HP TWIN TURBO FORD 5.4L 4V NAVIGATOR
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
- FULL TURBO DYNO RESULT PLUS NITROUS BONUS TEST. We ran a DOHC 5.4L 4V from Sean Hyland Motorsports with Forged internals, 10:1 comp, stage 2 & 3 cams, Sullivan Intake and 65-pound injectors. The Navigator heads were ported. We ran the motor NA, then with Zex nitrous and with twin 7-mm turbos from HP Performance.
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The 5.4 engines in Australia have the 4 valve head and we found that the heads need bleed holes in 2 spots on each head and the rear passage in the block needs a water fitting and then all of those points need a modified thermostat housing to accommodate those bleeds. We also modify the water pump impeller to give a consistent head pressure. The result is a much smoother torque curve and the ability to lean off the mixture safely.
I read about this somewhere in a forum I’m glad I didn’t make it up in my head
Ran a 5.4 2v Lightning for years, stage II cams 7lb crank pulley, ported Eaton and heads with full Bassini exhaust. I am more of a SBF and BBF guy, but that motor always impressed, sounded excellent and very smooth.
Keep the Ford builds going! Can’t wait for the coyote Big Bang. Also just throwing this out there but how about a EcoBoost build!!
I don't think they "build" per se but rather test and iron out everything that gets thrown their way, someone correct me if I'm wrong. 👌🏻👍🏻
And yes, keep the FoMoCo mills coming. 💖
2.7 EcoBoost!
Yessss! Been waiting for the dohc 5.4 tests! Definitely an odd ball motor for sure, but I like getting to see everything under the sun get tested! Love your work
They were the only ford v8 in australia for over 10 years im gonna build a turbo one myself lol
Love the navi 4v heads, they are monsters. More more more more!!!!!!
That Navigator would be one Hot Rod Lincoln !!!!!
I'm retired, but you got the dream job. Keep the Fords going strong!!!
Oh he did it! Finally some 5.4 love.
I'd love to see how the new 7.3L Ford engine reacts to boost. Seems to me a twin turbo version of that engine could be quite interesting.
@Sofiane Pontiac he's talking about Ford's new 7.3 gas but Wow that's awesome
460>the new “7.3”
@@gokartmadness3047 The weight and size advantage of the 7.3 alone is a huge advantage over the 460. Never mind the fact it makes 100 more hp to the tire.
Needs valve train it don't spin very fast bone stock. It barely makes peak power before 5k it needs heads cam and springs then it's good for about 550-600 na. Then your talking a true boosted monster...
@@alexwhite176 These 7.3 engines making peak power at 5500rpm is actually pretty high in the revs for that many cubes. The stock vvt valvetrain is robust and quite capable at higher rpms. With little more than a proper intake and cam, you can easily get 5-600hp out of these new big blocks. Even the fact while stock, they make over 400ft/lbs from about 1500rpms all the way past 5000 is stout. This thing should sneeze out 800+ ft/lbs with less of a torque curve, more of a torque shelf.
Can you test the ford 6.8l v10 would be awesome to see how much torque that beast can make
My thing is the v10’sounds like crap BUT YOU ARE RIGHT it is a torque monster for a gas engine .
I’d like to see a v10 with a whipple nothing crazy
Huge fan of this series anyhow but especially this 5.4 run
Richard thank you so much for saying you had done this test and posting so quickly I appreciate it.
Next a 2v 😋
Awesome. I'm currently doing this swap into my 98 Svt Cobra but using a heavily modded Aussie 260 boss intake with cams and longtubes , she is built and around 10-10:5:1 Cr , Great Video
You should be above 350 possibly 400 wheel depends on the camshafts and the tuning and what fuel etc. I contemplated doing it on my 97 cobra back in the day but decided against it that was in 05 and I didn't know as much about how to get power out of em and intake options were even worse than they are now lol. Good luck with your build these motors are badass
Just noticed you cleared 40 thousand subscribers congratulations. Very short amount of time that you taken this online for that to happen in my opinion.
Thank you very much!
When it's all said and done, it's the content that counts - you know you're doing something right when you build subscribers this fast with just some dyno graphs and a talking head! LOL
@@RyTrapp0 Max Headroom anyone?
I was wondering about this exact combo last night I’m glad you posted this
You made it look so easy. Thanks for the upload and inspiration. If you want to get off that 5.4 I have a spot for it. Cheers
Awesome content love the odd ball stuff. I contemplate using a nav engine every time I see one in the junk yard.
Still would like to see you film an engine buying trip to the local pick-n-pull
Love the mod motor tests
The best channel! I'd love to see a 2V, 3V, and 4V comparison NA and boost 👍
I did that with KB blowers
@@richardholdener1727 I'll have to check that out. Thanks!
good info richard im a big fan of all platforms thanks for this one
Over 40k subscribers !! More than 4k in 6 days !! Keep 'em comin' , gearhead 101 is in session !
You guys are AWSOME..IVE BEEN WANTING TO KNOW HOW TO ADD POWER TO MY NAVIGATOR AND YOU JUST ANSWERED MY PRAYERS..THANKS😁😊🤗👍😎
pushed the thumbs up button and shared to a few mustang facebook groups
Thnx for helping get the word out
Finally got my 5.4 DOHC! Thank you for being a bad influence. Going to start my build that may get me killed or divorced 😂
Man i have one of those navi motor on my mustang. This video makes me want to turbo it
Great content as always keep it up man 😊
Awesome stuff to know, didn't know those blocks could handle that amount of power
not sure if I've seen all of your videos but I've seen most of them for sure and I don't remember ever seeing a newer 5.0 junkyard truck motor with turbos... Love the Channel keep making great videos 👌
That's because hasn't found one that's reasonably priced.
@@bartpang makes sense. Plus LS so there's that lol... I am an LS guy but it is nice to see something else every once in a while!
the Coyote turbo vid is not up
Please upload videos with the 4.6 4v tests! You have so much valuable information and great videos
Good evening from Florida. Love your videos. Super informative stuff. I love this engines. I actually have 7 of them. I'm building a 5.4L DOHC for my 1990 mustang coupe efi single turbo. It has a shelby 5.8L crank, hbeam rods, mmr red pistons, stock heads, Sullivan intake. I'm still working on cams. No ac, ps, pb. Tubular front end, mini tubes with a 15x12 rear, 17x4 front. Its still in progress. Keep up the testing on the 5.4L dohc. On how to improve and make more power which is always a good thing. Thank you
Thank you so much for throwing a badass 5.4 4v into a fox and not a stinking ls. Coyotes are great too but done alot the 5.4 sounds better imo and is different. Nice
Video idea for ya; just how to go about setting up/doing an engine dyno session. What are the costs generally to run your motor? Generally do your own turning, let them do it or a combination? What people need to bring, common mistakes, that sort of thing would be cool to learn! Thank you for the videos!
I’ve been building stuff for my 5.4, plan on running around 5-8psi for the street. Looks like I’ll be in the 550-800 range. 550 is about where I want to be for street driving.
Nice build. thank you.
Thank you so much for this videos
That motor wanted more rpms. What monstrous power it is making
Awesome stuff bud!!!
That's pretty sweet. Definitely looking into.
I’ve always wanted to build a 5.4. We did a 4.6 -4 valve in a Mazda b2300 with a Kenny bell and we put a 2007 ford ranger nose on it. Cool little truck. But I wanted to do the 5.4. I thought it would have made way more power.
Ron Gravel less power out of the smaller displacement 4.6 but you can rev it to 8000 relatively stock, can’t do that on a 5.4
@@trevorvaughn5562don't need to do that with the 5.4. It'll make a ton of power and torque at a lower rpm.
Hey Richard, have you seen the adapter plates from MMR that allow you to run a Coyote intake on a 5.4L 4V engine? I would be very interested to know what that could do for power compared to the other intakes you've tested. Thanks for the great content and info!
I was thinking about a test on 1 of those engines after watching the work on the 4.6 2v. I was a Ford dealer tech for years but now I play with ls motors .
so nice of a video so I recently recently got a Lincoln navigation 05 about a year now, and I’m a big fan of racing cars. I want something different I saw that the navigation had a V8 dual cam it was a 5.4 so I sad why not give it a shot the difference is I want to add a Whipple charger on it but this really helps because there’s not a lot of information about navigators with this type of set ups, even tho the 5.0 have this engine and the cobras. All tho they are quite different they are in the same block. This video definitely hyped me up to do this type of set up on my navigator and I can’t wait knowing the fact that it will work.
All the 4 valve motors are rare. Even among the wrecking yards and supply chain rebuilders 2 valve 4.6/5.4 motors outnumber the 4 valves by more than 100 : 1. There are more 4.6 2v explorers than there were 4 valve marauders, mustangs, and navigators combined.
I really appreciate you doing more variety of things. I understand the hot topics are always the GM tools (as in the case of magazine articles) but seeing that all engineering principals hold true regardless of brand loyalty is very reassuring. A dyno is a measuring tape just like a time slip. Seeing theories proofed over and over again is extremely useful knowledge. Thank you.
@@MrAPCProductions look for the 4.6 4v in the Lincoln mark 5. Theres literally 8 of them at my local pick and pull.
A engine came out in Australia in the Ford Falcon XR8 which is very much the same. Plenty of them in wrecking yards now essentially a 5.4L triton engine with 4 valve 4.6L heads.
@@MrAPCProductions gm tools indeed😁
Stop asking what I think. I know nothing. You are the expert with all the knowledge.
great stuff, great hotrod motor
I love 5.4 4V these results are so very true. I run the Richard racing spacers which allowed you to run the cobra 4.6 intake on the 5.4. You have 2 options 5.4 specific pistons or use pump gas boost friendly 4.6 pistons which give you a lower compression ratio.
GermanShepherdsofOKC you can run a coyote intake on them
I want to build something similar to this motor for a f100 that I want to do autocross and hopefully one day pikes peak! I love going fast around curves and not drifting
This is good info to have. Many people around my parts HATE the ford modular V8 for any number of reasons. SOOO if I can make a reliable beast our of one without kicking my wallet between the legs for my LJ tube chasis build... fun is gonna be had brother!
That was another awesome one. You keep knocking it out of the park. By chance have you done a v10 ford or dodge combination? These would be fun to test.
Not yet!
It'd be interesting to see a dyno with the stock Navi intake and then the single plane intake.
I wanna see a big boom series on one of these
ima gm LS guy... but I wanna build a New Edge gt mustang with a 5.4 swap
You can also get a 5.0 coyote pretty cheap out of an F150. Little more complicated engine but, imo, it outperforms the 5.4.
great motor, one of my favorites, made 4 digits on mine for years
Build an older F150 or navigator
It’s a great swap and not as hard as you think
@303StreetMachines A fucking Lincoln Blackwood - are you just trying to find the rarest(since they didn't sell AT ALL) donor possible?
Very similar torque as the 4.6 2v with the pi ported heads , cams and pi intake .
A TT forged 5.4 3v👍
Would love to see a comparison between all the four valve heads (Navi, Cobra, GT)
WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE 6.8 V10 PUT TO THE TEST!
For those that don't know, MMR sells adapters to mount Coyote intake manifolds on DOHC 5.4 motors.
or buy a boss 260 intake
Navi motors have a lot of potential with a stock block. I seen a ten second fox with a 100k navi motor swapped to carb and upgrade in cams and fuel. That's it. They run
I could def see that. With a decent manifold and a good set of cams 400 rwhp would be fairly easy an aggressive setup could go well beyond that so a 10 second fox is easily believable you can get foxes into the 10s with 400 rwhp no problem set up correctly.
Thanx for the videos, any newer content coming out? Are you going to work on your car while in quarantine?
Can get the Lincoln Aviator 32-valve 4.6 all day for you!
Awesome video!! I’m thinking about doing a very similar build. But I’m thinking about going with a f1a Procharger.. I have heard the Navi motors don’t respond well with blowers any advice will be helpful..
those results are almost identical to mine - 12lbs my car made 820whp/700ish tq first dyno run, at events i ran 18lbs with 5 on the scramble - lasted forever like that, in fact it was my 8.8 housing that let go at 120 at the 330 mark that ended the cars life last year not the motor. Square bore ford motors get a bad rap, they can really rev out if you build em right.
Will the 5.4 or the 5.3 handle more boost in stock form?
You consider making videos on the history of performance parts manufactures and defunct shops like HP Performance ??
HPP were THE go-to guys after the '03/'04 Cobras came out - it seemed like EVERY video of a turbo Cobra racing 'in Mexico...' had an HPP kit pushing 800+ to the tire!
My question is what kind of boost could a stock 2 valve take though
Bad ass. I want to add a lil power to my 11 Navigator.
How do the dyno graphs for this motor NA and a stock 5.3 LS compare, I am interested to see. Something like LM7 or a LC9 perhaps.
Bang bang series with the ford mod motors?
HPP kit is what I have on my Corvette TT C5 Z06. 1100rwhp.
Richard - Have you written any books that tie all these aspects together? Boost, nitrous, turbos, waste gates, sizing of turbos, etc? I've tuned a long time but would like to learn some of the stuff that I need to know more about.
HANDS Holdener! 👐
I would love to see that twin turbo on your 351boss set up🎉🐍
Just out of curiosity. Have you ever build your own blow through carburetor?
Anyway you could update the parts list for the just the turbo set up with links to the online stores? If any of the parts are discontinued, what would you use in it's place. Thanks!
What happens to the Boost curve if nitrous is added from wide open throttle up two less a 4500 RPMs and what happens to the power curve does it increase or does it decrease after 4500 with a turbo
love this work, can you recommend working on a 2010+ Navigator?
I really really hope this 5.4 can fit in my truck that has a 5.4 3V
more info on the cams please
Where can I get that intake set up recently did the same build in a mustang but that stock intake is garbage anyone with that information please help
Try and Aussie Boss manifold with centre fed throttle. They kick butt and easy to get.
nice testing, do a test on ford compound boost from 5.4 2v and 4v
Nice! Are those T4 flanged 67's? What size turbine A/R? I'm putting together a single 7675 turbo with aviator heads and cams and Sullivan intake. Any idea what those ported navi heads flow?
There is some common problem with the 5.4L 4 valve engines. I believe something with the cam journals or something.
How far do you think you could go with this engine, before it would fail ?
Will a cold air Intake be enough or will a performance intake manifold be necessary for 850hp
I'd love to see a 5.4 3v combo.. Total blacksheep build, as it's one of the most hated motors out there.. but, they are fairly easy to lay hands on..
The heads just have issues, they seem to be a bit more detonation prone, compared to the 2v & 4v. They'll certainly out-flow a 2v though - but now I'm wondering how the 3v head compares to the Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 2v...
The hurdle with the 3v is the followers that tend to break with any cams that make good power. And jessel followers are super expensive.
Yes 5.4 3v
Yes please do some 3v videos!!
I've always wanted a 5.4 DOHC in a mustang. The big obstacle is getting a set of longtube headers to fit. I think the best thing to do would be go with a turbo setup. It would be easier to make a set of turbo manifolds fit. MMR makes an adapter to run a coyote manifold on a 5.4 DOHC.
The gt engine which is the same thing on twin turbos is faster than the fastest buggatti look up fastest road legal car if you don’t believe me
What size turbo you suggest for a coyote gen 2 block?
What video is that at 5:02 ?
Lets see that tpi turbo! I started my hotrodding with a c4. Went carbed 383 then back to fi with megasquirt. Do you ever have to tune some of these big cams using alpha n or always speed density?
we've done both-usually speed density
hi richard have you done a junkyard 5.4 twin turbo setup?
I wish Ford would have put this engine in a few more vehicles. Especially the crown Vic
SHM is local to me and they shut their doors a few years ago after ripping a number of people off. Met him once and he was a total dink.
Ian M I’m currently reading his book now on how to build my 5.4 2v. Was thinking of reaching out to him. Thank you for making me save my energy lol.
Richard I am doing a mod motor project for my 69 falcon sport coup. I see you use the fast xfi systems which one do you recommend
I would love to see some dodge truck 8.0 v10 stuff
Guns and Machines Enthusiast sadly virtually no aftermarket parts out there to mod one with and adapting viper parts is a massive headache
These videos make me want to find a Cobra roller for a 4v I have sitting in pieces in a box. I should also have never sold my Terminator.
Does the 4 valve engine have variable valve timing like a 3valve engine? If not how is the timing adjusted? I have a 5.4l 3valve engine in my 2004 supercrew lariat, it's not a dog, but I would like to increase the horsepower and torque not to race or run racing fuel but just a strong reliable driver. I realize that I will need to run 93 octane on a turbo motor. Any pointers would be appreciated.
Thanks
Scott
USAF veteran
I can never get past how that motor/block just looks like its going to split in half from those giant heads hanging up there. Nice numbers though.
I'm having a hard time finding an intake manifold for a turbo 5.4l 2V. The 4.6 that came out of the car had a fox lake P51. Would it be okay if I used it with the adapter plates, or would raising the injectors a .5" away from the combustion chamber be a bad idea?
NOT SURE YOU CAN ADAPT A 4.6L INTAKE TO THE 5.4L
I would like to see an engine with no cams at all, but instead have electronically controlled solinoid valves! You could instantly change timing, lift, duration, all with no parasitical drag of the valve train. Let's build one Richard!
See the Koenigsegg freevalve engine :)
Yeah it’s a 3 cylinder 2.0l TT making 600hp back by I think a 1400-1600 hp electric motor
that is an amazing motor
But can you make one out of an LS? You know people right? @@richardholdener1727
@@colonelk3000 I think that one is using pneumatic valves.