10_28_2014, Troubleshooting 1984 Honda 200ES CDI ignition,

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  • @RandyLahey87
    @RandyLahey87 8 років тому +1

    Just bought my first big red that wasn't running and this video helped me determine that I needed a cdi box. Thanks so much Harvey!! much appreciated video

  • @m.b8257
    @m.b8257 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the video Harvey, my 84 200m recently lost spark, I’ll go through the check list.

  • @cr500ridr
    @cr500ridr 8 років тому +1

    God bless you for sharing your knowledge Harvey I have a brother that just got an 85 200X and he's having no start condition after full engine overhaul .

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  8 років тому

      Cr500!!! I personally messed up the following things after an engine swap to loose spark, I installed the CDI pulse generator magnet 180degrees off, had bad grounds between the engine and the frame and the frame and spark coil ground, I pinched the wire harness between the frame and engine, I have left grounds terminals hanging loose, and those are the screw ups I can remember easily.... I hope this and the debug videos help!!! Let me know how it all turns out.... Thanks for the kind words, watching, and commenting!!!!

  • @jamesmileto7368
    @jamesmileto7368 6 років тому +1

    I have a 1984 200es big red put it away running 2 years ago it has lost its spark the video was very help full i will working one this it soon.

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  6 років тому

      Hey James, I hope U get Ur 200ES quickly, let me know if U have any questions and when U get it started.... Off the top of my head, I would be wondering if one of the engine stop switches on the handle bars or key switch is acting up... Thanks for the info, watching, and commenting!!!! Good Luck!

    • @jamesmileto7368
      @jamesmileto7368 6 років тому

      Have not started to TS. yet the key switch was broken I am going to replace the switch that may be the it if not I will do more testing may be bad contacts from sitting.I will keep in touch you.

    • @jamesmileto7368
      @jamesmileto7368 6 років тому

      got the big red going I cleaned the engine stop switch,replaced the ignition switch,cleaned the ignition coil terminals I got spark. cleaned carb and it started up I am very happy.Harvey thank you for the video.

  • @farleyj1999
    @farleyj1999 4 роки тому +1

    Hey Harvy will you please do a break down of the electric start system and how to test the silver relay your help is always appreciated

  • @WhatTheHeckTV
    @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому

    hi harvey i got the cdi box wired it to diagram and no luck , i an getting 2 or 3 volts from black n yellow to coil wire ,, my on off switch turns still not working right,,ill have to trace the green wire/ i am getting around 12 dc volts from dci pick up does that seem right ,but once it enters cdi box i get only 2/3 volts

  • @kkenason8728
    @kkenason8728 6 років тому

    Excellent video, thank you for being here !

  • @keithparady2594
    @keithparady2594 5 років тому +1

    I watched ur video with the 185 and the ground and testing the cdi and I’m not getting any ohms on the grey wire and one other one I’m gonna try the ground trick tomorrow

  • @travisabate8029
    @travisabate8029 4 роки тому

    I have a question I have a 1984 trx 200 Fourtrax I Replace the CDI box replace the coil new battery and coil but still not getting spark what else could it possibly be

  • @WhatTheHeckTV
    @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому +1

    harvey thank you so much for making this video ,i copy everything on paper and will be testing the ohms today and ordering the cdi box/ i striped part of the black/yellow wire from cdi box to coil and saw the wire is burnt// black not shiny// most likely the black wire to switch will be the same,

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  10 років тому

      joe18370 , Let me know how it turns out, I would like to learn from Ur experience... Thanks for the kind words, watching, and commenting!

    • @WhatTheHeckTV
      @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому +1

      i will let you know ,waiting for the cdi box and connectors to be shipped, what i found out so fare is the on off switch is not grounding the switch i think to cdi box,,and no power from cdi box to coil ,stator is good ,cdi pick up is good, just no power to coil , i will get back to you when i get the parts in, thanks

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  10 років тому

      joe18370 , U use the phase, "no power from CDI box to coil", the CDI box is powered by the stator, don't expect 12Volts anywhere near the CDI box, if U do, expect burnt wires. the CDI is powered by about 60Volts AC when the engine is running,. The CDI box powers the ignition coil, let me know how it all turns out, good luck! Thanks for watching and commenting!

    • @WhatTheHeckTV
      @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому

      cdi pick up is giving 12 to 13 dc volts

  • @oxycotton_15_mg8
    @oxycotton_15_mg8 5 років тому +2

    My 3 wheeler stop getting spark I tested everything an the stator isn't getting anything so I'm gonna change it out an hope it works thanks for this video very helpful

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  5 років тому

      Hey Oxy!!! I like the 12VDC CDI hack as one does not need the stator or any thing other than the pulse generator... Takes all the variables out of what is wrong with my 3 wheeler.... I hope this helps, thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!

    • @oxycotton_15_mg8
      @oxycotton_15_mg8 5 років тому

      @@HarveySpooner how to do this hack ?

    • @keithparady2594
      @keithparady2594 5 років тому +1

      oxycotton_ 15_mg so believe it or not I heated the cdi up and then boom it started right up

    • @oxycotton_15_mg8
      @oxycotton_15_mg8 5 років тому

      @@keithparady2594 I installed the new stator but still isn't showing any voltage so I'm guessing there's a short somewhere around the wiring harness

    • @keithparady2594
      @keithparady2594 5 років тому +1

      oxycotton_ 15_mg that would be my guess to

  • @jimziggy4855
    @jimziggy4855 8 років тому

    I have a 1984 200es and my engine run/off switxh read nothing when it's was turned to run and it read 3ohms when turned to off. also the nuetral.safety switch read 60 ohms. are either of those normal?

  • @jamesdansereau7701
    @jamesdansereau7701 7 років тому

    My 82 ATC 200 will idle ok but when i rev it right up, it sputters quite badly. when i pull a load too. new sparkplug, stator is 230ohms, new fuel, carb rebuilt. very confused.

  • @WhatTheHeckTV
    @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому +1

    after that it started and now runs thanks harvey for your help/

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  10 років тому

      joe18370 , I'm glad she is running, but, I'm a bit concerned about U seeing DC voltages where there should not be any... Thanks for saving another Honda from the scrap yard, also, for watching and commenting!

    • @WhatTheHeckTV
      @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому

      now that she is running better then before i will check my readings to see what is normal and compare them to before, do you no anything of the charging sys,my batt does not charge from big red i have to charge the batt myself

  • @timcollins4182
    @timcollins4182 5 років тому +1

    Hey what would cause the coil to kill power out of cdi when hooked up? Unplug an gets power back out of cdi I'v tried 4 coils same thing?

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  5 років тому

      Hey Tim, All coils really need quite a bit of current at a relatively low voltage from the CDI.... I'm thinking that Ur CDI or the power into Ur CDI from the stator maybe a little weak.... I would clean up all the ground connections first, (makes sure that all the power gets to the CDI and coil), I would also check and clean the other connections... Then I would consider changing the CDI.... I'm really thinking dirty grounds, though... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!

    • @timcollins4182
      @timcollins4182 5 років тому

      @@HarveySpooner I'm getting 35 ac volts out of cdi an all ground is clean lol just bought the stator an flywheel an cdi box still same thing lol

    • @timcollins4182
      @timcollins4182 5 років тому

      Oh an it's on a ATC 350x 1985 would you know which DC cdi box I could get to match the motor lol an thanks for making the time to figure out the DC box thing you do

  • @WhatTheHeckTV
    @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому

    the switch green and black wires have 9 volts in them , when i touch black to ground it sparks but the black/yellow put out high voltage so when black wire sparks voltage jumps but why

  • @samuelpasikowski9790
    @samuelpasikowski9790 6 років тому

    Hey Harvey great video! I checked the red black wire to ground and only read 132 ohms? Does that mean the stator is bad ?

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  6 років тому

      Hey George, Can U inspect the stator? I would do that before I replace it.... I would clean up its contact to the engine also... What brand of ATV what year is it???? The answer to Ur question is that it is suspect and I would investigate as I suggested.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting, let me know how U make out....

    • @samuelpasikowski9790
      @samuelpasikowski9790 6 років тому

      @@HarveySpooner so I have 2 hondas I picked up (a 185s and 200s both early 80s) and the 185 will run but at high rpm then quickly die when down to idle (already timed it with new carb) and the 200s didnt get spark till I put a new stator on it and new plug but even with spark, and ether spray I cant even get it to bark a bit, any suggestions ?? Thank you!

  • @bobbycook5632
    @bobbycook5632 4 роки тому

    Hey Harvey your videos have been so much help and enjoyable to watch I've been following you for quite a few years now and with your instructions hasn't been necessary to ask a question but know I've found myself in need of some advice I have a 1985 200M it was in poor condition when I bought it "whole other story " I'm in the process of rebuilding the engine "complete tear down case split ETC" in the meantime I've acquired a 1982 200E that the engine might run so I've transplanted onto the 200M, my problem is now I have no natural light and no spark I'm aware that the act's came with different CDI but the wiring seems the same? I know the 200M wiring is good as I was able to start the trike with the original engine after replacing the cdi,coil and pulse generator so what am I missing? Thank you sir and I really appreciate your videos you're a top notch instructor and your efforts are much appreciated.

  • @revitup1965
    @revitup1965 9 років тому

    Harvey, will a 200s CDI unit work on a 200es? The 200es unit is physically larger than the 200s but the connectors are the same.
    I have no spark on my 200es. My 200s runs.I swapped the CDI units and neither bikes run when doing that. My stator resistance reads 295 and pulsar reads 35 which I believe to be within specs.
    Also, could you take some up close video of one of your 200es wiring from the stator and key switch/headlight area? Thanks for any help.

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  9 років тому

      revitup1965 , The 200S and the 200ES motors are basically the same, minus the electric starts, 12V charging system, and shaft drive. So, the 200S CDI will work on the 200ES if wired properly. But, some of the safety stuff will be bypassed, (for example, it will start in gear), I have a few things going on, it may take me a few days to get to that video, thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!

    • @revitup1965
      @revitup1965 9 років тому

      Thanks, I appreciated it!

  • @Codya523
    @Codya523 7 років тому

    I could use some help with the trike I got its an 84 es and the wiring is a mess. no wires even lead to the key. how can I get a hold of you and also to send photos of what I'm dealing with

  • @RandyLahey87
    @RandyLahey87 6 років тому +1

    Hey Harvey. Thanks for posting these trouble shooting vids. Very helpful. I have an 84es that has lost spark. Everything checks out at the cdi plug and have even tried different CDI boxes, by passed the kill switch. Reverse switch. Tried different pickups. Coils. Even the stator and nothing. I've got no clue why I don't have spark. Any input from you would be great since you know these machines so well. Thanks.

    • @RandyLahey87
      @RandyLahey87 6 років тому +1

      I will SOMETIMES have one little spark for a second then nothing if that helps diagnose. I've tried different plugs wires and caps as well .

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  6 років тому

      Hey Rob!!!! I would try running a wire from the engine, (make sure it has good contact, I normally attach it up on the pulse generator cover), I would then run that wire to were the spark coil is, I would make sure that the spark coil has good contact with the frame and that Ur new ground wire has good contact with the coil and frame.... If that doesn't help, I would keep it and check the CDI pulse generator gap between it and the magnet, I normally set the gap to be a single sheet of paper, just make sure that it does not touch.... If these things don't help, I would consider changing the pulse generator, but, get back to me first..... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  6 років тому

      Hey Rob!!!! I would try running a wire from the engine, (make sure it has good contact, I normally attach it up on the pulse generator cover), I would then run that wire to were the spark coil is, I would make sure that the spark coil has good contact with the frame and that Ur new ground wire has good contact with the coil and frame.... If that doesn't help, I would keep it and check the CDI pulse generator gap between it and the magnet, I normally set the gap to be a single sheet of paper, just make sure that it does not touch.... If these things don't help, I would consider changing the pulse generator, but, get back to me first..... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!

  • @johnmyfb198
    @johnmyfb198 7 років тому

    is there a diode coming off the CDI. on 84 200es

  • @strawdeben2106
    @strawdeben2106 5 років тому

    can the 200m or s cdi be wired to the 1984es cause to 200es cdi is expensive

  • @keithparady2594
    @keithparady2594 5 років тому +1

    What would make the plug fire on and off

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  5 років тому

      Hey Ronald!!! I would start with a new plug!!! Been burned by a marginal plug too many times!!! On some ATVs, if the stop button or circuit is activated, sometimes they spark intermittently, cut the black wire with the white strip on the cdi such that it can be hooked back together easily.... If it starts and runs, Ur life is good if not, I would swap the cdi,,,, Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!

  • @krisquevedo8819
    @krisquevedo8819 8 років тому

    how do I wire a 6 pin cdi ac unit and what is the pin out

  • @davecrabtres5272
    @davecrabtres5272 8 років тому +1

    I have a 200es I put cdi new cdi box new stator still have no fire come u send me the link where you get your parts from china

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  8 років тому

      Hey Dave, I would use this CDI - www.ebay.com/itm/4-PINS-PRONGS-DC-CDI-REV-BOX-125CC-150CC-200CC-250CC-300CC-ATV-SCOOTER-GO-KART-/271146000193?hash=item3f218f9f41:g:ptYAAMXQa7hRBasm&vxp=mtr , and this wiring diagram - www.bing.com/images/search?q=4+pin+cdi+box+110cc+atv+wiring+diagram&view=detailv2&qpvt=4+pin+cdi+box+110cc+atv+wiring+diagram&id=FC5F02BB3454B5DAAF12F375DAB4127861CFDB71&selectedIndex=0&ccid=TI4VCnAG&simid=607989369612536783&thid=OIP.M4c8e150a7006d7acfad13914b8e14391o0&ajaxhist=0 , I hope this works out, please let me know how it all turns out.... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!

  • @keithparady2594
    @keithparady2594 5 років тому

    So is 206 ohms for the black and red stator ok or not

  • @jerrysjunk
    @jerrysjunk 9 років тому

    where do i find the netreal switch on the 1984 honda 200 s atv need help got the bike cheap 50 was in great shape

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  9 років тому

      jerry godin , The 1984 Honda 200S does not have a neutral switch, do U mean the 200ES? If U float, (disconnect), the on/off switch, and the neutral switch wires from the CDI, and leave everything else connected properly, it will spark and run. Shoot a video of what U have and I will take a look... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!

    • @jerrysjunk
      @jerrysjunk 9 років тому

      you got it

    • @jerrysjunk
      @jerrysjunk 9 років тому

      its a 1984 honda 200 trx the cdi has a charge of 15 volts at the coil wire but no discharge both coils new and old are reading at 4.5 oms.is this a ground problem

    • @ryanmissler8761
      @ryanmissler8761 8 років тому

      Is there any other way to bypass the neutral switch without disconnecting the on/off switch

  • @freddyhyslope5415
    @freddyhyslope5415 7 років тому

    Hey man I'm having a spark problem it'll spark one time some times when I first crank it then nothing after that. I was riding it earlier the day it quit... it's a 84 200es big red

    • @kentdavidsen1215
      @kentdavidsen1215 4 роки тому

      Freddy Hyslope I’m having the same problem! Did you find the solution?

  • @davecrabtres5272
    @davecrabtres5272 8 років тому +1

    I got the parts that you told me about but I still have no spark and I put in a new and a used start if u know any one who need patrs let me know

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  8 років тому

      Hey Dave, Where do U live???? If close enough, I can come look at it or U can bring it to me.... Did U check to see what the resistance value of Ur pulse generator is???? Thanks for getting back to me, the info, watching, and commenting!!!

    • @davecrabtres5272
      @davecrabtres5272 8 років тому

      I an in athens ohio I put no a new pulse generator and I got a cdi but it was not the right one I got that pit bike set up you sent a link for still on spark

    • @keithparady2594
      @keithparady2594 5 років тому

      Harvey Spooner is 206 ohms enough for the black and red stator wire

  • @76born88
    @76born88 7 років тому +1

    i have what i belive to be a 1984 200 big red e its runs but if i ride it and it gets hot then quits and wont start back till its cool agian idk what could couse this help if you can

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  7 років тому

      Hey Kenny!!!! Unfortunately, one would have to use the method of elimination to find Ur problem, I would start cheap, replace the plug and make sure that there is full gas flowing to the carb, also, make sure that there is no water in the carb or gas tank.... From there, I would use my portable 12VDC CDI box to make sure it is not an ignition issue.... I would probably change the spark coil next, it is fairly cheap and easy to change.... Good luck, let me know how it all turns out... Thanks for asking, watching, and commenting!!!

  • @dogbuggy32
    @dogbuggy32 10 років тому +1

    in stock I lov it !

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  10 років тому

      ***** , My old Honda 200ES, one of the first few bikes in the hoard.... Thanks for the encouragement, watching, and commenting!

    • @dogbuggy32
      @dogbuggy32 10 років тому

      hope to get some snow rides this winter

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  10 років тому

      I love doing 3 wheeler donuts in the snow, brings a joy to my heart!

    • @dogbuggy32
      @dogbuggy32 10 років тому

      ill be waiting

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  10 років тому

      ***** , It makes it a lot easier to remote troubleshoot an ATC when one has the exact one to look at. Thanks for the encouragement, watching, and commenting!

  • @WhatTheHeckTV
    @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому

    stator is giving me 30 volts and i am charging batt

  • @WhatTheHeckTV
    @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому

    harvey i have black going to off /on and black /red going to stator, no black /white

  • @WhatTheHeckTV
    @WhatTheHeckTV 10 років тому

    my greem wire to has 14 dc volts

  • @keithparady2594
    @keithparady2594 5 років тому

    And the black wire is no ohms

  • @johnmyfb198
    @johnmyfb198 7 років тому +1

    I have a gray wire up thru my cdi

    • @HarveySpooner
      @HarveySpooner  7 років тому

      Hey John, I have looked at a lot of ATV wire harness and have not seen a gray wire to the CDI unit, what year, cc, model, and make ATV do U have???? Thanks for the info, watching, and commenting!!!

    • @johnmyfb198
      @johnmyfb198 7 років тому

      Harvey Spooner it's a 200 es 1984.

    • @johnmyfb198
      @johnmyfb198 7 років тому

      Harvey Spooner the reverse light stays on can't start it.tried jumping the safety and reverse switch don't work lol.trike is in good shape it's just the reverse lite stays on so either the reverse switch I tried two of them used.or in the that wire ?

  • @se3k323
    @se3k323 8 років тому

    Thanks for the video, found it was a dodgy neutral safety switch. :)
    Sorted a link to full manual
    Pages 223 onward should ignition
    www.oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/honda/1984_200es_bigred.pdf