Amazon 418cc Diesel Engine 10hp Unboxing First run
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- After having some success with the smaller 196cc Chinese diesel I decided I wanted to try out the bigger one you can buy, it cost about 450 dollars, displaces 418cc and makes 10hp and 1,000 ft lbs of torque, no clue what we’re going to do with this yet so stay tuned! Open to ideas from y’all.
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Amazon Link to engine amzn.to/3vATI2Q
Electric Start Conversion KIT L100 for YANMAR L100 10HP 186F for Diesel Engines Starter Motor
Nice! That looks correct found one link for around 200 for the kit including charging coil
That's a sweet engine! 418cc would make a beast of a generator. At 3600rpm it'd be perfect for a 60Hz direct-drive stator!
It’s not a tapered shaft. He’s got to belt drive it. Better run at 2500
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Right in the middle of its torque curve. Great call!
A 5 1/4 pulley driving a 7 1/2 pulley will get the genny to 3600 rpm with 2500 rpm at the motor. 1.44 is your factor.
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I actually drive my alternator at 4800 rpm with 2400 rpm on the engine. I use a 1 inch wide Gilmer belt and pulley ( toothed) to reduce the friction losses.
If it's of Chinese origin then you may regret it after buying it?
I love these small diesels. I have two of the 418cc. You will need starter and ring gear. The flywheel it comes with doesn't have a ring gear. Use a 27mm socket and impact wrench to get the flywheel off. Then a 3-jaw gear puller. The flywheel has three holes in it to pull it off the shaft. The ring gear is about 10.5" diameter. Heat it with a propane torch and it'll drop right on. The starter is easy to mount. Connect your battery+ to the big threaded stud on the solenoid. Then with a screwdriver I touch that stud to the only other electrical connector on the solenoid and it will spin up. Note! You still need to press down the decomp lever, even with a starter! There is an ungodly amount of compression to fight against. What I like to do is let the starter turn the engine over 5 or 6 times, to get up to speed, then let go of the decomp so that on the 7th revolution, it resets the decomp, the exhaust valve closes and all that rotational kinetic energy slams the air into submission :)
I just ordered another ring gear and starter myself. Ring gear is $38 and starter is $94. I have one of these engines mounted on a rolling cart with a Harbor Freight 10KW generator head. Both have 1" shaft. Using dual sheave "B"-section pulleys. Using a little bit bigger diameter pulley on the engine than the generator head, so that the engine will run at 3000RPM and the generator at 3600RPM. As you've probably already noticed, increasing the engine RPM suddenly not only rolls coal but it will sound like it has a rod knock. It's normal. It's the sound of combustion you're hearing. At that moment, there's more fuel than there's available oxygen (hence the "coal") and it makes a distinct hammering sound.
These diesel engines are awesome. I run mine off of 3 parts "black diesel" (centrifuged filtered motor oil) and 1 part real diesel. Runs perfectly off of it. I was afraid it would smoke like hell but no difference as compared to real diesel. Have Fun!
Ok that’s awesome! This is what I like to hear thanks for the comment!
Have you by any chance captured any fuel efficiency data when running your generator? I saw somewhere these things are rated at about 6kw, not sure if that is the fuel input energy or if it can output a max of 6kw into a generator? I have long thought about trying to make a diesel generator, curious how well it actually works and how efficient it is.
You obviously need a really flat surface and act speedily to drop the the ring gear onto avoid a misaligned contraction with a fast cool down? I would imagine.
@@jontscott I just assume half a pound of fuel per horsepower hour as the brake specific fuel consumption. So that's 13.4 horsepower for 1 hour or 6.7 horsepower for 2 hours, etc. 6 kilowatts is what, 8 horsepower? it can produce that all day long.
@@adoreslaurel yeah, you have about 30 seconds to get the job done. Then just look at it real closely and if there's any kind of gap, I just put it under the hydraulic press. Or if your eyesight is like mine, use a feeler gauge. The flywheel does have a lip that the ring gear butts up against so you would use the feeler gauge between the ring gear and that lip. Hope this helps
I have done lots of electronic starters on these. You will need a starter, ring gear and I also recommend to install the stator coil kit with the regulator. The coil and reg will charge the battery. Most don't come with the parts for electric start. Flywheel is bolted with a keyway.
How much power does the stator put out?
@@TACOMASRT5 It is 12volts to charge the starter battery. The fuse is a 15 amp so I would assume around 7 to 10 amps. I never did an amp draw on it but I can say it is definitely less then 15 amp. If you are buying get the kit but the kits I bought didn't come with the bolts so you will need to go to the hardware store and get some metric bolts. Also I highly recommend using lots of locktite on the flat button bolts as these vibrate loose and will damage the new stator.
I think that I (and many others) would rather just pay the extra 300 or so bucks and get one with the starter already installed
part numbers for pieces needed to electric start?
@@patwregan ebay is where I get my parts from. The most critical things are the ring gear size and the rotation direction of your motor. I believe the 170F to 192F use the same starter and same alternator. Ring gears 170F to 173F uses a 200mm×15mmW×5.5mmH. The 178F uses 222mmx15mmWx5.5mmH. The 186Fto192F uses 245mmx 18mmWx10mmH.
still waiting for one of you guys to bolt the freakin' motor to a board before you try to start it.
😝🤣😃 yep
This channel will take over the world! Already a fan. Greetings from germany, (just wanted to let you know you made it across the pond)
Would make a great engine for an inboard mudboat!
Push decompresser, pull a couple of turns make sure you hear injection sound, release decompresser you're done with this now. . Pull cord slowly until you feel compression, nudge it just over compression, dont go too far, just until resistance eases. Return cord for a full pull, pull fast it will start everytime,
Honestly I believe the decompresser is used more like a choke than an assist for starting since it’s diesel, it relies on compression ignition
@@vtron8580it's makes it easier for the starter to turn it over, it's very common on old diesel trucks and small hand cranks like this
We have very similar engine (probably from the same factory) we bought it it around 2017 ( Model 186FA, Power 6.6 kw @ 3600 rpm, weight 48 kg). We only done oil change ones. Oil viscosity 5W-30 synthetic. Also it came with electric starter.
got an old 310cc flat head Sears engine that's bored 30 over, takes a good 120 pounds to pull start it. 💪 got a 8kw generator that justifies rebuilding the old thing. just needs a sleeve on the connecting rod.
Heck yea that’s awesome !
@@Mikebuildss replaced the ignition coil just to see if it would run 4 years ago, think it might free rev to 7000rpm... but the connecting rod was very worn out and it somehow magically fixed its self. came of an old rototiller.
The first way you tried to start it was correct. It flaws me seeing people mess it up trying to manually release the decomp whilst pulling 😂
There is a trick to it for sure, especially if you don’t want to destroy your shoulder in the process
@@Mikebuildss I must admit, I've done it the correct way and had one pull-back, but that was after the injector had fired whilst slow pulling. I find the diesels tend to get a bit more forceful with compression/grumpy when there is fuel spray in the cylinder
I'd like to see one of these mounted on an old two wheel tractor, like a David Bradley.
I like that idea! I need to find one first, I do have a go kart I may do that first
channel idea. buy a $500 5.6gpm general pump and some pulleys from southside equipment plus a engine+pump mounting plate and put em together. You'll get a crap ton of views from the curious pressure wash community. We all build our own rigs and all have looked at diesel but nobody bit the bullet minus some giant kubota diesel builds.
That may be a good idea! And I’d have a nice pressure washer finally
I have a small diesel engine my cousin installed for me on an old Troy built tiller… It’s has a lot of compression so it can be a bitch to start but once you get it pulled it normally starts and runs good! 👍
😮you need Glow Plug to light up the chamber
I just bought this very engine and discovered I wanted the electric start as well.
There are kits on eBay
Imma go look hopefully not too expensive
Looks like a good engine for a log splitter
FYI...Most of us MOUNT THE ENGINE to something (before starting). No wonder you about killed yourself trying. Small engine manufacturers NEVER expect their engines to be used without proper mounting to SOMETHING, anything, lol.
I was too excited i just wanted to run it!
Honda got lawsuits over emissions in the US and yet people can buy these things. Now, I would love to have one of these things. Also, if you could hold the compression release down while pulling it several times, it may be easier starting.
My son has a 10hp diesel like this one on his Sears Suburban, it's a bear to pull. He's already broken 2 strings on it and hasn't run more than an hour.
I’ve been wanting to swap my daughter’s coolster 125cc engine atv with one of these or the smaller ones! I think it would be pretty cool!!
@@jayflores4336 it’s definitely doable but it’s massive
Start a diesel manualy looks brutal
It is!
Run smooth like sandpaper 😂
These basically need torn down, cleaned+properly torque on all the bolts, then greased and reassembled *first* if you really want them to last. Great guide on UA-cam for the process.
Huge misconception and even Cummins has had this problem with their 6.7 15/40 is not a universal diesel engine oil. I run 10w40 in my 1.4 gas engine. Here’s the thing. The heavier the oil the harder it is for the engine to pump and get it into small and tight tolerances. At the rpm speed these spin and how small the components are, I have no idea but I would assume dropping to 10w40 or even 5w 40 would be a better oil for this application. Especially since it is not water cooled
Ive thought about one of those.
I have a buch of used veg oil, from local fairgrounds and would probably quiet it down some running on it.
Best way of running veg oil is a heated 2 tank setup so when you shut it down or start up, its on pure diesel.
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Normally on a road engine i use the coolant to heat it up, so without coolant you would need to get a little creative.
Id figure 20 gal would run that thing for quite a long time.
For an application for this 10 HP diesel maybe something where it has a definite advantage over gasoline engine. I'd think the gas engine's higher power/weight ration would give it an advantage over the diesel in speed and handling for small vehicles (minibikes, go karts). Maybe a small tractor or bulldozer where heavy torque is required that would stall out a gas motor may be where this heavy 10HP diesel could really shine and surpass gas engines.
Diesel and equipment mechanic here. This little guy would make a great hydrostat drive engine for something smaller than a skid steer. A little hobby tractor or fat tire implement would be pretty neat.
@@Irishcream216Sounds good. Maybe you need to do a UA-cam video on that. I can guarantee you at least 1 view.
Probably makes between 15-30 ft-lbs of torque, which as a replacement for a gx 390/420 series engine would be a massive upgrade.
wish they made them vertical shaft so i can have a diesel push mower lol
You'd want that self propelled with individual clutched rear wheels...
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@@mudzy9820 That is an awesome idea/ dream. I would buy that so fast! Would LOVE to build that kind of contraption.
Manufacturer website has a performance chart that shows a maximum 26 Nm, which converts to about 19 lb/ft of torque
@@byronmill 19ft-lbs is a lot in such a small package.
I can see this engine on a club car carryall. Future project.
@@jeffchapman5742 heck yea I need to try and find a cheap one and try that
Perfect motor for a turbo and a straight pipe 😂
Build a hydraulic strandbeest walking vehicle with 8 or more legs. Wait until we have a new President so your project cost drops significantly 😊
I have no idea how!
@@Mikebuildss Not knowing is temporary.
as cool as having a small diesel on a go kart seemed, once i looked into it, it wasn't really worth it cause 10 hp at 3600 rpm is 14.5 foot pounds, a predator 420 makes 13 hp at 3600 rpm which is almost 19 foot pounds. then when i looked for aftermarket parts the diesel was in practice non existent. if i had the money id buy one for the niche of it but anything i want to go fast i'll have to stick to gassers
U are suposto bleed it at the exit fuel line on the pump , at the injectors it's already in the engine, so you can take out the air at the end of the line
I bought one, was dropped in shipping, cracked the crankcase beyond repair. Did get a refund!
Sorry to hear! At least you got your money back
I have used a couple of these and they are great motors for some stuff. They should be on something stationary that runs it on the governor. I have used them on Argos and the power is fine but smoke like crazy under load everything is black after. Maybe a guy could turn down the fuel screw so it has just a haze under load instead of pouring black soot. They will start in -30 easy have no idea how but they do. They are good on fuel if ran on the governor.
I have noticed some smoke, but I need to run it in some more, it’s kinda loud I’m sure my neighbors love me!
I'd order that just to get the box it came in😊
Reminds me of the old tea chests...
loose leaf tea imported in big boxes and repackaged in the country of import in their own brand packaging...
with the sweepings off the floor used in tea bags!
Unfortunately, it's very cheap plywood and is easily damaged.
Remove the yoyo (pull start) and start it with a drill.
mount a pressure washer pump up to it, would be quick and easy.
Definitely a great idea for a Coleman BT 200. Also would a great replacement for my little wonder leaf blower which has a Honda GX270 on it.
U should make this a mud motor for a boat
There’s no mud around here
@@Mikebuildss well i don’t use the mud lol thats just what it’s called like a longtail boat motor
@@Toobluejzs147 ahh I figured that’s what you meant, I think It would work well, could probably turn a very aggressive prop with all the torque it has.
If youve ever heard or seen a cycle car that is kind of what i would like to see. During war time in the 40s people used model Ts to build tractors called Doodlebugs that would be cool or maybe a Model T style truck cyclecar.
Flywheel had no teeth on mine. Pull starter broke after 10 properly decompressed pulls. Not happy!
It’s very tricky to start, I’ve figured out the trick, but my pull start is close to being destroyed
@@Mikebuildss Well, the pull starter broke so the only option is to put on a ring gear and set up a starter. Very disappointed.
Might have a different flywheel for the electric start model.
Yes sir I have to check and see! My arm can’t take pulling
starts super fast.
pull to resistance,push decompresor,pull hard. Must have accelator to on position
the throttle has to be open a little bit to start
That's the truth. I've been messing with these small diesels for a while and finally realized that they will never start if the throttle is at idle.
With a little bit Brake cleaner in the Air cleaner it may start much easyer.
6:50 LOL Mount it to the bed of the truck behind you where you can crank it
Would like to see it on a dirt bike, like an old one with a blown engine. But it'd probably be too involved to hook up a transmission
Definitely would be awesome with an AMR300 super charger.
Kinda like my Still 660 chainsaw clone a b|+ch to start but once it started it’s a beast beast.
Put a small super charger and a electric fan that blows air through cowel and small intercooler bit could make 30hp
Turn the throttle to start and I don't think you know enough about diesel engines to mess with them
@@braveonethanks3535 I’m still learning!
Are these same type of diesel engine people use in small sailing boat that can be use when there no wind or docking the boat?
Honestly im scared of the open ocean so i couldn't tell ya!
You need to set the accelerator to half open on cold starts
This is because diesels always run lean except at max RPM
there is no throttle body or throttle valve to limit the air like in a gasoline engine.
I live in the Philippines. Just bought one of these at a local store about 3 wks ago. 13,000 pesos ($236). Mine does not have the recoil starter. They are ok.
I wish I was more confident in my availabilitys I really want to put this on the cub cadet with the drive shaft
Can’t get better if you don’t try!
I don't know squat about diesels, but would an electric glow plug (if thats what it's called) help it start easier? I'd love to put one of these in a golf cart.
No room to fit one here.
Just keep the engine warm especially in winter...
and learn the correct starting procedure as per the owner's manual...
or wimp out and buy all the bits to convert it to electric start..
or make good life choices and pay up front for the factory starter with charging circuit built in?
When was the last time you bought a car without a starter?
Can you post another link please the one in your description only shows a 3 and 5 hp
@@swagdaddy8561 yes let me see if I can find it again
mini bike for sure!
Your right I want to!
Log splitter. I like chainsaws! Just subscribed!
Awesome! Thank you!
That would make a neat super eco motorcycle, and with 1000ftlbs of torque it would pull a pretty high gear, so having only 10hp wouldn't be a problem.
Where do you get that crazy figure from? It's a naturally aspirated lo-tech engine, so it just has the torque as a gas engine with the same number of HP
Haha yes I want to do a mini bike build after doing some generator stuff with it, I plan on really using it on as many projects as I can think of!
nice engine, nice runner, I got two of the electric start version. I know a link that can help with a pull starting. I have the manuals for both these style and the yanmar service manual if you would like them.
Very interested!
Nice.
Thanks!
turbocharge it
Awesome. i been wondering about these. ive been seeing them.. Always was curious how well they would actually start, run.. thanks for the video..
I want to try it on many different contraptions so we’ll see how it holds up!
P.S. It pulled backwards due to insufficient speed and being loaded up with diesel spray
can you put a turbo on it?
turbo for diesels :)
@@TriDaddythx, editing my comment! :)
Nice. Would you happen to know how many ft. pounds of torque?
At least 15-20
like those videos its funny tune that engine or let it run on vegetable oi or used motor oil
I have the 196cc and the 247cc. Thought about getting this one just for fun as well. Surprisingly well running engines considering the price.
Nice yea it’s nice as hell I love it
Price
@@vmmathavan9011 about 500 bucks
That looks just like the yanmar engines on our emergency pumps on a towboat. Starts just like one too. This would be a fine candidate for a rhb 31 turbo😁. I cant help but wonder how many ponies could be had out of this little engine and transfer that to kw to run a fairly beefy generator.
Make the first diesel powered skate board.
It would be so heavy but im down to try it!
I see a turbo in your future :)
1000 ft pds? LOL. you ROCK
Gas rag over the intake 😊
One question, does it need a turbocharger?
Everything needs a turbo!
You know it's a crime when he fills the diesel engine with a red tank.
Yes get the electric starter model 😊
I’m gonna be putting one of these diesels on a dirt bike frame and turbocharging it
We’ll see how it fares going like 50 lmao
I would love to see that! I’m going to do the same soon maybe not a turbo though that may be a challenge!
I think it is awesome, if I had one of those magna track dozers I would want to put a little diesel in it .
Yes mount it first and set to ideal
I'm wondering if can be adopted to a Lincoln 225 welder it be a match made in welder haven
I know exactly what you should do with it. Send it to me in Detroit and watch me make a diesel powered mini single seater Kei Truck with hydraulics.
Youave to mount to plate form some where to make easy starting.
Do you know the measurements for the bolt pattern on this engine?
@@taylorleblanc9033 will measure and report back
Appreciate it!!
@@taylorleblanc9033 OK the bolt pattern is 4 x 11 inches
I bought a generator with a 186fa that was blown up. Piston was cracked in two and head was effed. Rebuilt it on my coffee table with a bunch of aliexpress parts lol. Ran good when i tested it. No idea what im going to use it for as i scrapped the generator part
Mini bike!
Good oil but man build that go kart or maybe get a cheap old ATV frame and mount it up!
I like that ideal I want to build a couch kart
Maybe you can find a medium duty nat gas, gas, or propane genset with a blown engine on market place or craiglist with a blown engine. Not sure of the RPM of that thing but 15 KW or something be cool. The extra toque of the diesel might make up for the small size. Likely wishful thinking but might work.
motor is only rated 6.3 kw according to the data plate
exauhst and fuel tank gotta change and maybe a turbo
Agreed that would be awesome let’s see what I can come up with
I have one of these it just rips I just need to figure out why it smokes a little excessively
It’s a diesel. Congrats.
Cosby In a Can is your friend.
Guessing you can't turn the shaft with a handle like the Volvo marine engines could then pop the compression to start
No this thing takes too much to turn
I’d recommend you see if the flywheel has teeth for an electric starter on it because I see a spot for one
They coat the motors for corrosion reasons, they my have to sit in a box for a very long time. Use the motor oil recommended. These new motors can be damaged using the wrong weight of oil. Well you defiantly sold me on electric start. I'm way too old for these pullalot motors. At 62 that would be the end of me.
You had the fuel throttle way to open. To start it
Electric start also requires an alternator to charge a battery.
@@jimsterling2156 You still need a ring gear
Can you add the link to this engine. Ive been looking for this size on amazon multiple times and havent found d anything.
I tired but it changes too much, just look up diesel engine on Amazon it will come up from a few different sellers
1500 rpm makes 20 ft pds torque for us America guys. flat curve revving only reduces torque,
10hp and 1000ftlbs of torque??????? 1000?????
How about 100 ?
@@johnhabeck6153 even that seems like a ton for this motor
@@johnhabeck6153 How about a 1,000!!!!
Yes i got the same engine in a old lawnmower (wheel horse) and it pulls tonnes no kidding it got lots of tourqe
@@johnhabeck6153 lol, not even close to a 100 😂
At it's rated speed of 3600rpm making 6.3kw (8.5hp) it's making 12.5 ftIbs
They're not really any more powerful than the gasoline equivalents but they do use a lot less fuel.
Even a genuine Yanmar L100 only peaks at about 15.5 ftIbs at ~3000rpm
Seems the electric start is worth it
Ooh...a 10hp diesel...NOYCE!!!!!