I wish they had a cheaper version with just the regular sounding drums without the crazy effects and electronic drum sounding triggering just so I can use it to record playthroughs and practice and use just the app and the click and have normal drum tones.
Actually, you can bypass every single effect capability, and it works just like a standard XY stereo condenser pair of mics. You can pan, you can add triggers for balance across tge whole kit, and I use it as tge heart of my entire 14 mic array, as my stereo pair picking up sound from the center of the kit, in addition to my stereo overheads. It's actually very customizable, and you can bypass any FX/reverb/trigger through the module too. Now the RecNShare app works phenomenally with Android products too! It is an AMAZING piece of gear! Highly portable, easy to use, practice, covers, live videos, and now it even has a talkback function for livestreaming. Eventhough I have 16 channels and Rode, Shure, Audix, and AKG mics; I find myself going back to the EAD more than anything else. It's so quick to make videos or covers with, and it's an excellent tool if you're a teacher,for your students to watch back and analyze their playing over time. It's the best piece of gear I've ever bought that wasn't actually drums or hardware. Amazingly simple and powerful! Highly recommend!
Ditto, not my type of thing, I don't need it but it's great to hear about these products and what's available in the market today. The review is perfectly balanced and top notch as usual.
I have an EAD for several weeks now. Its great for practice and simple recording. I have taken it out live a few times and the results are interesting. The first was a very small pub gig, typically the drums where pushed into the smallest corner and surrounded with guitar and bass at close proximity. To be honest I wouldn’t normally mic the kit at a gig like this apart from maybe the bass drum and as expected I had to turn the mics right down and use the trigger on the bass drum. but it all worked very well. Another gig was a small local beer festival on an outdoor stage. Here it worked very well even with very high on stage volume. I did have to take the effects right down to just a little compression and reverb but everybody thought it sounded great and I managed to use the onboard recorder to go home and confirm this later. A third gig was a small acoustic gig using only a cajon. I couldn’t clamp it to the hole on my PRK Cajon as it has a thick rim so couldn’t use the trigger, but I did place it inside sitting on a small towel. the results where actually astonishing. really very good with extremely good isolation. I wouldn’t recommend using much in the way of effects live, as although the isolation is surprisingly good, any other instruments picked up will be subject to the same effects, but it does work really quite well and would think it would be perfect for larger stages such as village halls, functions, clubs and small outdoor events. Anything larger would probably have a sound man and equipment provided anyway. It would struggle at very small venues.
Very nice indepth review of the EAD10, I have been using it for 2 months already and I am super satisfied with it. Definitely worth checking it out for all acoustic drummers out there!
You can hear the effects when you're using headphones but not so much thru speakers. Maybe depends on the speakers. I'm using Behringer 15" powered speakers. I use the EAD10 live though because it adds a lot of presence to the drums (I'm not a heavy hitter) without the hassle of multiple mikes....very easy to set up. Definite plus.
@angel77t91 Works great! Easy set-up and since I use my own speaker I don't interfere with vocals & know what sound I'll be getting each gig. I use open ear headphones too, off the EAD10 module. Microphone on the unit picks up the band so I hear them fine as well as the drums. Saves the ears. Only drawback is volume control for headphones isn't independent from master volume but I've got it fairly well balanced out. If I picked up a more expensive set of headphones with their own volume control it'd be better but, Hey, I'm just a casual gigging drummer.
I couldnt get the onboard sounds to blend with the acoustic in a live situation. To hear the on board sound I had to turn up the volume so high that it kept feeding back. I sent it back for refund. You forgot to mention use with headphones. And its this practice situation where the onboard sounds come across well.
Not sure if "good for live" should be said if there hasn't been a test of how it sounds and functions in a dirty sonic environment, with guitars/other instruments/crowd noise being taken in by the condensers. Pretty much every other video demo of this thing has the lo-fi and '80s sound packs too... I would have wanted to see more depth.
Hi Eden, thanks for your comments...we did discuss between ourselves in the studio our thoughts on live use, and concluded that it's no more likely to pick up external sound than close micing the kit, especially if you're also using overheads - we felt that actually due to the proximity to the drums of where the sensor unit is placed and the fact it's slightly shielded by the toms, it would probably pick up much less than 'traditional' condenser overheads. With regards the sounds we chose to use in the demonstration, we purposely shy away from watching other videos so not to be influenced in our approach and chose those sounds completely at random as they sounded the best to us at that moment...perhaps that's something to be taken away from this and other videos in that those particular sounds are some of the most useful...
Obviously this isn't as good as have real drum mics, but SHIT!! that sounds pretty dam good for what it is. I want one to record my drum vids with, without any triggered sounds. A hell of alot cheaper than setting up a recording space
I bought one of these primarlity to use in a live situation. As a possible alternative to meshhead and triggers on acoustic drum kit. But I returned it the first day after a few hours testing as I didn't think it would be suitable. When connected to headphones the effects can be heard very well by the listener. ,Any headphones even cheap ones have a noise cancelling effect , so the acoustic drum sounds are less loud and the Yamaha sounds more prominant using headphones... most of the promo videos show people raving about the sounds heard in headphones. But when connected to my drum monitor , which I placed on the other side of the room (where a PA speaker would usually be) I found it impossible to stop the unit from causing feedback and the effects needed to be turned up very high to be distingished over and above the sound of the drums themselves. The stereo mics in the unit do indeed pick up the sounds of the drums and cymbals very well ...but as my guitarist places his amp right next to my floor tom I assumed that they would also pick up the sounds of the guitar ... as a marshall amp cranked up is quite a bit louder than a hit on a floor tom. Also I usually place my drum monitor behind my floor tom so I assumed that if feedback was being generated with the monitor 15 feet away it would be worse in direct line with the mics in the EAD 10. I am used to hybrid drums - I have a 2box Drumit5 module and kit and also A3E kits with both external and internal triggers. I found that when using triggers with normal drum heads and the 2box module that the acoustic sounds drown the sampled sound and I had to swap to mesh heads . I was hoping that somehow the Yamaha EAD10 would overcome this and I could go back to using normal drum heads in a hybrid situation. It was then rather disapointing that it too had the same flaw. For curiosity I did try the EAD10 with some mesh heads on the kit... but as it relies on the microphones to pick up the sound that didnt work very well because the hit produced low sound. So I don't think the EAD 10 is really designed for live work... it works with headphones and I have no doubt the direct recording would work as well. But its not a suitable replacement for mesh head , triggers and drum module set up for live work. (of course you can add more trigggers to the EAD but for me thats a waste of time as I have the brilliant 2Box module already). Some may say I should have tried it out live... I did consider this but was concerned that if it got damaged I would not be able to return it for a refund. I had been very careful unboxing everything so that I could then repack it up and return it to the retailer for full credit. I hope that this information is of use to others. I would say , if you try it , be like me and be carefull when you unpack it and buy it from a retailer that offers a no quible returns policy.
Seems like a very interesting and well-designed product. However I do wonder how it copes in a live situation with other instruments possibly bleeding into it, and how well it captures drums further away from the bass drum, for example a 2nd floor tom?
Some users experience a lot of feedback in a live situation. The trick is turning down the mic setting. The bass drum trigger captures everything within a 4’ radius rather well, however the quality is not as good as mic’d toms.
Did you guys ever experience any double sounds with the kick trigger? i bought an ead10 recently and it sounds a bit off and with missclicks when i hit the kick hard
Two things. Do you think the software will ever get an update? New sounds etc? And, I set my kit up as a four piece, the kick trigger sits more underneath my ride than anything else. Therefore, my ride is annoyingly loud. Anyway to potentially fix this issue? Without moving my ride?
Thanks for the great review. I really want to get one of these for practising and writing new stuff with the band, but wanted to know - as I play one up, two down on the toms - can extra triggers be used with this systems? I know there's bass drum and snare trigger, but can I add an additional 3 for the toms? Cheers!
That's exactly what I was wondering. Never seen a video showing that the unit has any configuration function. It's almost as if it knows the size of the drum being hit based on the signal frequency. If it is, it's got some powerful processing to be able to identify the drums and apply the effect quickly. Just a guess on my part though.
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I wish they had a cheaper version with just the regular sounding drums without the crazy effects and electronic drum sounding triggering just so I can use it to record playthroughs and practice and use just the app and the click and have normal drum tones.
A condenser mic (or a pair), small mixer and a pair of headphones is all you need. You can buy all that for less than £100.
Actually, you can bypass every single effect capability, and it works just like a standard XY stereo condenser pair of mics. You can pan, you can add triggers for balance across tge whole kit, and I use it as tge heart of my entire 14 mic array, as my stereo pair picking up sound from the center of the kit, in addition to my stereo overheads. It's actually very customizable, and you can bypass any FX/reverb/trigger through the module too. Now the RecNShare app works phenomenally with Android products too! It is an AMAZING piece of gear! Highly portable, easy to use, practice, covers, live videos, and now it even has a talkback function for livestreaming. Eventhough I have 16 channels and Rode, Shure, Audix, and AKG mics; I find myself going back to the EAD more than anything else. It's so quick to make videos or covers with, and it's an excellent tool if you're a teacher,for your students to watch back and analyze their playing over time. It's the best piece of gear I've ever bought that wasn't actually drums or hardware. Amazingly simple and powerful! Highly recommend!
Whilst this isn't normally my type of thing, your in depth review really offers so much, always honest and very well presented chaps!
Thanks Joe, we really try to provide as much information as possible and report honestly on our experience. Thanks for watching.
Ditto, not my type of thing, I don't need it but it's great to hear about these products and what's available in the market today. The review is perfectly balanced and top notch as usual.
I have an EAD for several weeks now. Its great for practice and simple recording. I have taken it out live a few times and the results are interesting.
The first was a very small pub gig, typically the drums where pushed into the smallest corner and surrounded with guitar and bass at close proximity. To be honest I wouldn’t normally mic the kit at a gig like this apart from maybe the bass drum and as expected I had to turn the mics right down and use the trigger on the bass drum. but it all worked very well.
Another gig was a small local beer festival on an outdoor stage. Here it worked very well even with very high on stage volume. I did have to take the effects right down to just a little compression and reverb but everybody thought it sounded great and I managed to use the onboard recorder to go home and confirm this later.
A third gig was a small acoustic gig using only a cajon. I couldn’t clamp it to the hole on my PRK Cajon as it has a thick rim so couldn’t use the trigger, but I did place it inside sitting on a small towel. the results where actually astonishing. really very good with extremely good isolation.
I wouldn’t recommend using much in the way of effects live, as although the isolation is surprisingly good, any other instruments picked up will be subject to the same effects, but it does work really quite well and would think it would be perfect for larger stages such as village halls, functions, clubs and small outdoor events. Anything larger would probably have a sound man and equipment provided anyway. It would struggle at very small venues.
First Vsacue and now a drum channel? Michael you impress me time and time again!
thanks for the review btw :)
Drummers Review comes up trumps again. Thanks for the honest and balanced reviews guys. You are becoming my go-to for advice on gear.
Very nice indepth review of the EAD10, I have been using it for 2 months already and I am super satisfied with it. Definitely worth checking it out for all acoustic drummers out there!
Do you have problems with the Rec n Share app?
@@jakecapozziello8725 For the use on iPad it is smooth and well, for use on Android phone it might crash sometime.
Bought one and I am very satisfied! 👍
This guy speaks really well about this unit.
It does incredible things to raw sound. Cleans it up by default and lets you truly practice.
You can hear the effects when you're using headphones but not so much thru speakers. Maybe depends on the speakers. I'm using Behringer 15" powered speakers. I use the EAD10 live though because it adds a lot of presence to the drums (I'm not a heavy hitter) without the hassle of multiple mikes....very easy to set up. Definite plus.
And how is using it live? I’m using it for the first time tomorrow at a gig.
@angel77t91 Works great! Easy set-up and since I use my own speaker I don't interfere with vocals & know what sound I'll be getting each gig. I use open ear headphones too, off the EAD10 module. Microphone on the unit picks up the band so I hear them fine as well as the drums. Saves the ears. Only drawback is volume control for headphones isn't independent from master volume but I've got it fairly well balanced out.
If I picked up a more expensive set of headphones with their own volume control it'd be better but, Hey, I'm just a casual gigging drummer.
Hey guys, absolutely love your videos and thanks for all the cool low down on all this drum stuff!
Still Sounded Good
I couldnt get the onboard sounds to blend with the acoustic in a live situation. To hear the on board sound I had to turn up the volume so high that it kept feeding back. I sent it back for refund. You forgot to mention use with headphones. And its this practice situation where the onboard sounds come across well.
Not sure if "good for live" should be said if there hasn't been a test of how it sounds and functions in a dirty sonic environment, with guitars/other instruments/crowd noise being taken in by the condensers. Pretty much every other video demo of this thing has the lo-fi and '80s sound packs too... I would have wanted to see more depth.
Hi Eden, thanks for your comments...we did discuss between ourselves in the studio our thoughts on live use, and concluded that it's no more likely to pick up external sound than close micing the kit, especially if you're also using overheads - we felt that actually due to the proximity to the drums of where the sensor unit is placed and the fact it's slightly shielded by the toms, it would probably pick up much less than 'traditional' condenser overheads. With regards the sounds we chose to use in the demonstration, we purposely shy away from watching other videos so not to be influenced in our approach and chose those sounds completely at random as they sounded the best to us at that moment...perhaps that's something to be taken away from this and other videos in that those particular sounds are some of the most useful...
Obviously this isn't as good as have real drum mics, but SHIT!! that sounds pretty dam good for what it is. I want one to record my drum vids with, without any triggered sounds. A hell of alot cheaper than setting up a recording space
I bought one of these primarlity to use in a live situation. As a possible alternative to meshhead and triggers on acoustic drum kit. But I returned it the first day after a few hours testing as I didn't think it would be suitable. When connected to headphones the effects can be heard very well by the listener. ,Any headphones even cheap ones have a noise cancelling effect , so the acoustic drum sounds are less loud and the Yamaha sounds more prominant using headphones... most of the promo videos show people raving about the sounds heard in headphones. But when connected to my drum monitor , which I placed on the other side of the room (where a PA speaker would usually be) I found it impossible to stop the unit from causing feedback and the effects needed to be turned up very high to be distingished over and above the sound of the drums themselves. The stereo mics in the unit do indeed pick up the sounds of the drums and cymbals very well ...but as my guitarist places his amp right next to my floor tom I assumed that they would also pick up the sounds of the guitar ... as a marshall amp cranked up is quite a bit louder than a hit on a floor tom. Also I usually place my drum monitor behind my floor tom so I assumed that if feedback was being generated with the monitor 15 feet away it would be worse in direct line with the mics in the EAD 10. I am used to hybrid drums - I have a 2box Drumit5 module and kit and also A3E kits with both external and internal triggers. I found that when using triggers with normal drum heads and the 2box module that the acoustic sounds drown the sampled sound and I had to swap to mesh heads . I was hoping that somehow the Yamaha EAD10 would overcome this and I could go back to using normal drum heads in a hybrid situation. It was then rather disapointing that it too had the same flaw. For curiosity I did try the EAD10 with some mesh heads on the kit... but as it relies on the microphones to pick up the sound that didnt work very well because the hit produced low sound. So I don't think the EAD 10 is really designed for live work... it works with headphones and I have no doubt the direct recording would work as well. But its not a suitable replacement for mesh head , triggers and drum module set up for live work. (of course you can add more trigggers to the EAD but for me thats a waste of time as I have the brilliant 2Box module already). Some may say I should have tried it out live... I did consider this but was concerned that if it got damaged I would not be able to return it for a refund. I had been very careful unboxing everything so that I could then repack it up and return it to the retailer for full credit. I hope that this information is of use to others. I would say , if you try it , be like me and be carefull when you unpack it and buy it from a retailer that offers a no quible returns policy.
Sounds like user error. Use in-ear monitors and keep your pa speakers as far from the kit as possible. Problem solved.
@@tlkshowhst so it would not work well with wedge monitors??
@@jdrumz321ify No, your will get feedback. It's best to use headphones or in-ears.
Seems like a very interesting and well-designed product.
However I do wonder how it copes in a live situation with other instruments possibly bleeding into it, and how well it captures drums further away from the bass drum, for example a 2nd floor tom?
Some users experience a lot of feedback in a live situation. The trick is turning down the mic setting. The bass drum trigger captures everything within a 4’ radius rather well, however the quality is not as good as mic’d toms.
@@jerrycatania7159 how exactly do you turn down the mic setting? Is that a dial or is it under settings menu?
@@jdrumz321ify There's a button next to the menu button with a pic of the stereo mic. (mounts to bass drum) you can adjust your mic settings there.
Would really like to know from somebody with frist hand experience how the trigger/module fairs with fast bass drum patterns.
Here’s a sound sample from the EAD10 with the 5 extra triggers you can connect 👍🏻
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Did you guys ever experience any double sounds with the kick trigger? i bought an ead10 recently and it sounds a bit off and with missclicks when i hit the kick hard
Two things. Do you think the software will ever get an update? New sounds etc? And, I set my kit up as a four piece, the kick trigger sits more underneath my ride than anything else. Therefore, my ride is annoyingly loud. Anyway to potentially fix this issue? Without moving my ride?
Hello what do you guys think about the CBN sound kit versus ETA 10 sorry I mean Sapien sound kit
Thanks for the great review. I really want to get one of these for practising and writing new stuff with the band, but wanted to know - as I play one up, two down on the toms - can extra triggers be used with this systems? I know there's bass drum and snare trigger, but can I add an additional 3 for the toms? Cheers!
Not sure if you can add 3 but i know for sure that you can at least add two of them, check the online description it should be specified
Can you use any drum trigger to plug into this?
Is this a mic to mic your kit live or is it just a recorder?
How does it know which rack tom/floor tom your hitting?
That's exactly what I was wondering. Never seen a video showing that the unit has any configuration function. It's almost as if it knows the size of the drum being hit based on the signal frequency. If it is, it's got some powerful processing to be able to identify the drums and apply the effect quickly. Just a guess on my part though.
does it work with superior drummer 3?
that doesnt make sense, this is not midi
If you don't use Apple, these will get expensive, if you want to make videos. Still, it's an amazing piece of gear, and worth getting a tablet.
youre not juhn
For that price, I’m not impressed really