How Good Is Slayer, Really?
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
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Slayer is the latest DLC character in Guilty Gear Strive. Since he's been out for a while, let's take a look at how good he REALLY is in Guilty Gear Strive.
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How are you feeling about Slayer these days?
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Wild assault and slayer has made me not enjoy strive anymore
I like him! But his synergy with Wild Assault is really powerful, maybe too much so.
When I get zoned it feels bad but then I land a punch and it feels amazing, also I main Marisa
as an asuka player, slayer is insanely terrifying. if he breaks your mana shield and has last horizon ready, that will one shot at any health
Just gotta play ur cards right, ig litetally for asuka lol, asuka has the advantage in neutral if u dont let him take advantage of mappa hunch
@@Chadaragi-sanhow so? From what I've seen, Slayer can go through a ton of cubes with a single mappa hunch xd
And it kills just about everyone around 50% too
@alfredomartinezmazuela9328 you mostly use green cubes in neutral, while rps'ing around mappa and IAD j.s with 6p. If you know what you're doing, slayer literally cannot get in unless asuka is caught off guard by super mappa, but even then if you aren't stupid you can just block it
@@alfredomartinezmazuela9328green cubes bc the low one won't interact with the mappa hit box, and it covers normal jump IAD
His ability to get in is very linear so it's easy to spend most of a round "losing" with him but he has so much health that he can survive with a sliver very often and it almost doesn't feel like he's losing especially if he has meter because there's always that little voice in your head saying "I just need one touch" and then you get it and your opponent dies
That man having guts and bedman not having any feels so wrong from far away
Yeah - this includes his damage. Playing against him, you usually feel like you are winning... until you aren't.
@@esseubotbedman more like deadman
@@esseubot bedman is zoner/rushdown
"The intern was cooking" love that shit
4:22
LordKnight: "You basically get 50 meter from round start, neat."
Me: "What do you mean Zato is already almost f*cking dead?"
Playing against Slayer gives me flashbacks to Dragonball figherz, where everyone just throws their full screen buttons.
Fullscreen superdash, my beloved.
@@remuvsz broly invincible lariat go brrr
Slayer is very cheap lmao BUT tbh I actually appreciate they made him strong considering so many of the dlc characters released shitty and desperately needed buffs
They changed his drip as hell 6p
Completely unviable
Shoulder check was pretty tight. I'm gonna miss it.
17:10: "Baiken can't anti air 5p, which means you have to do a bunch of shi- different things..."
I felt that
I just think that slayer needs to harder to play if they want to give him such high damage since he just ruins the lower tower floors, my friend who is HARD stuck on floor 2-3 can play at my level and im floor 7-8 but only as slayer.
I think slayer is super cool i just wish he was more fun to play vs and didn't have so much health and damage
I love Slayer but I do think some nerfs should happen specifically to k mappa and the bunker loops. The loops are inconsistent but they're always worth going for since the return is so high. He needs to remain a high damage character but currently it's too easy for him to run his gameplan unless you're fighting like, Testament bridget or axl.
I hate pilebunker loops in an 'old man yells at cloud' kinda way. I just want pilebunker to wall bounce midscreen again so I can keep doing 6h pilebunker. Which funny enough, would probably deal less damage then strive pilebunker loops.
Very informative! Will continue to dodge every slayer player
Fighting slayer feels like you’re defusing a bomb. You can spend over half the round chipping away at him, but one slip up or you get caught mashing, you get to watch your health disappear real time. Then it’s guess for game on wake up assuming you didn’t use wild assault or bursted from a stray hit.
The act of trying to get rid of him as quickly as possible before he gets any form of offense going can be stressful but satisfying when you do. When you don’t, it seems like he almost steals the game away and it can become frustrating imo.
As an Asuka player, I love when I make a single mistake and just die losing all mana, mana shield, half my health bar, and get hkd :,)
"He has the same plus on block close slash that everyone else has in the game."
Me playing faust: ; _ ;
I miss having a back dash
small price to pay for last horizon
He feels bit overtuned. He gets Goldlewis/Nago tier reward on hit without the restrictions the other two has.
This is exactly what i’ve been saying. I play goldlewis and Johnny and the fact that slayer gets the same if not better damage as goldlewis is ridiculous. A good player knows that goldlewis has pretty slow buttons and he has a bunch of things that limit his ability to do damage. Slayer on the other hand gets one hit which isn’t as hard and then just gets that damage.
Not sure I agree. Until blood fills up, nago is way more mobile then slayer. And both have wwa to get in where slayer just has to mappa and prey.
Further slayers defense blows big chunks. His backdash, once the defining trait of the character has been made just terrible here.
@@Pandaman64 Both fukyo and WWA are resource dependent entry.
Also, wdym Nago is more mobile? He has no air control other than j D. He can't even cross up with fukyo despite it being tied to a resource.
Also, you can't complain about slayer defense when Goldlewis is being compared here.
Thirdly, not only his reward just as good as those two, it's also always accessible with superior mix of left right.
@@HellecticMojo slayer defense is arguably worse. there shouldnt be a time where forward dash is just the better option in this game than backdashing.
i agree this character is busted in every other aspect though. insane damage and mixup. wouldn't be shocked if they upped the scaling on pilebunker. its crazy that the classic 16 pilebunker xrd combo does way less damage than 3 of them
Goldlewis has Drone, j.D, and decently large pokes to handle neutral on top of even scarier pressure. In addition, his mix is similarly scary with plus high/low and the ability to turn any blocked Behemoth Typhoon into an f-shiki 50/50 (if the opponent is standing, which they have to when blocking the overheads). While he isn't as good at getting in as Slayer, he's better at keeping the opponent out and has even better reward once he gets in thanks to scarier pressure and mix. There are also quite a few benefits to having a slow run vs a step dash you can't cancel out of, such as being able to microdash when whiff punishing, dash blocking, etc.
Nagoriyuki has more flexible grounded movement with Fukyo and one of the best advancing moves in the game in Beyblade, as well as incredible buttons for keeping the opponent out. In addition, he also has Clone > Fukyo as another incredible approach option. He also gets access to meterless, gapless 50/50s on top of an incredible command grab.
What Makes Characters Good in Guilty Gear Strive, Slayer Edition
Offense
0:31 Does the character have any plus moves?
1:38 Does the chararacter have a unique overhead (instant overhead, offensive fuzzy guard)?
2:10 Does the character have a safe 5D?
3:00 Does the characrter have a real 50/50?
3:38 How quickly does the character build meter (On offense)?
4:37 What does the character get off their throw situation?
4:59 How safe is the character against Burst?
5:57 Does the character have to hit the opponent to win, or can they win from making the opponent block?
6:56 How high is the character's damage output?
7:24 What type of Wild Assault does the character have?
7:56 How good is the character against Deflect Shield?
8:10 How good is the character's Wall Break situation?
Skipped: "How good is the character against YRC?"
Defense
8:43 How fast is the character's fastest button?
8:59 Does the character have a meterless reversal?
11:02 How fast is the character's reversal super?
11:24 Does the character have a horizontal or vertical super?
11:53 How good is the character's backdash?
12:28 How fast does the character's 6P upper body invuln activate?
13:05 How fast is the character's jump?
Skipped "How fast does the character gain meter (On defense)?"
Neutral
13:26 Can the character attack from safe ranges?
14:10 How fast is the character's airdash?
14:26 Does the character have a slow j.H?
14:44 Can the character stall in the air?
15:29 Can the character 50/50 the opponent from neutral?
16:13 Can the character get in on the opponent immediately after Gold Burst?
16:28 Does the character have a burst RC option (aka a neutral skip)?
16:47 How good is the character's anti-airs? (Replaces "How fast is the character's 6P?")
17:18 Does the character have ways to make the opponent play differently from the way they normally do?
18:17 Can the character convert all their hits into combos (without using meter)?
18:25 Can the character dashblock?
Knockdown
18:52 Can the character win off throw?
19:22 How much resource does the character build after landing a throw?
19:45 Can the character protect themselves from reversals while continuing their offense?
19:58 Can their good knockdown be looped?
"slayer is the final character to be added to gulity gear strive" wasn't season 4 already confirmed?
Probably means final character of Season 3.
Most likely meant "latest".
The next four characters are also going to be slayer.
Likely a mouth typo.
@@Token__Gaming would that be a talko a speako or a sayo?
Really good. Haven't even watched the video, I know how this goes, he is a character that turns minor mistakes into near TODs, his 2H is a war crime, he has dirty fucking set play and some of the cheapest tools currently in the game I sweeeear if another person pulls up with "Well, erm, if we ignore the damage 🤓🤓" no, if he delt reasonable damage he'd be still very good get the fuck out
That opening line made my heart skip; Slayer is NOT the final character to be added to Strive lmao he’s the LATEST character, they did confirm that there will be another round of DLC characters for season 4
LK, please stop showing anti Elphelt tech. Especially when it comes to Slayer.
Haven't seen winrates so High since pre-nerf HC, Slayer is sweeping almost every match-up. All my celestial friends myself included are losing morale with this game. Season 3 feels so degenerate.
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Fighting against him is pretty fun except for the ungodly amount of damage he deals. As an ABA player, I do feel a biy jealous (heh) that he gets to do moroha damage without having to build gauge first.
Or instantly losing the second he runs out of it? That's ABAs only major weakness imo - she doesn't have a win condition. She has a lose condition.
aba's jelly mode is insanely better though. her damage is also really good.
@@AchedSphinx For sure - she's definitely solid. No downplaying here.
@@qspec2002you can say the same about Nago, but he is still top tier
Why they didn't give him the Akuma treatment of "high damage, low health" is beyond me
Just learned that 4:24 loop from your notation on the side thank you!
slayer has rizz
As a new play, I went from chipp to slayer & even made him my pfp, so...
Strong, and nothing but
Another banger vid from LK. I'm having so much fun with Slayer. LK prob already knew this but didn't mention that in addition to his safejump he's got a safejab from his P buttons after using K Mappa to get in from pilebunker HKD. I like using it because if they block the 2P ill go for kara bite tic throw. Players just need to figure out the dandy step OS, 6P the mappa hunch, and keep him out if they want to beat him. That being said, I think he's perfect as is and is a strong character but just outside of top tier.
Babe wake up, LordKnight is explaining the phases of fighting games again
You should do this as a tier list format with like multiple Slayer icons just for organization, not for debating
he makes the bridget player in me quiver in fear but he's so cool and fun to play i cant stay mad
Slayer just reminds me of Dudley from sf4
Can't say shit cuz I havent picked him up, but his look is cool, seems hella fun to play.
As slayer, unless you get that round start hit into momentum it really feels like I'm losing all round until the sudden random mappa/dandy followup hit, I think people know a lot of slayers are just doing fake offense stuff so they are constantly challenging in gaps ( random PB seems to work too much cause of people countering other options lol) but that can make enforcing bite or dandy pressure hard sometimes. Probably a skill issue but I also feel like I cannot take to the air at all tbh. But the damage and HP tho :)
Q : How good is Slayer ?
A : Too good
Day 5 of waking for Zato
Frame trapping fs into 5h has gotten me to celestial in a weekend after not playing since launch. He definitely feels like a noob killer then once you get to players with actual fundies and D he rapidly falls off.
Pretty much the best comment. Everyone casual complains about him and says nerf mappa hunch, nerf dandy step, etc.
But once players are smarter and patient and keep him in the range where mappa isn’t plus he can’t really get anything started.
@@PsychicJaguar19only problem I have is he’s too fun makes me wish other characters were as fun. S4 needs to add more freedom n fun fuked up shit. Buffing this character would be scary cuz he has the kit to make big comebacks
@@raekwonchambers2297 agreed, almost every character is good but other mid characters can use some more stuff. I’ve been maining him and he def needs no buffs. I’m expecting a slight damage nerf because that’s the only reasonable one IMO.
I-no also can't dashblock technically. she can't block until 10 frames of hover iirc
Not to same extent as Slayer and Johnny. Ino can dash FD (which fast falls), and can still block certain attacks pretty fast after dashing back or forward. And the dash can't be grabbed like Johnny and Slayer
@@sodamustdie4372 you can air grab her but I hear ya
@@BurningWaterpark True as well hehe 😂
I HATE DANDY STEP I HATE DANDY STEP
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Do one of these for an d character just take the free content
TLDW : Dandy
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Honestly hated the full screen change to burst
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he gets way too much for doing very little, simply put
A lot of people seem to think Slayer is overtuned, while I agree he shits out damage and builds easy RISK, those are only SlayerS pros, what makes a character Top tier in Strive?
Let's discuss Slayer. He has all that I mentioned before, along with decent mix with a command grab and easy access to plus frames. But, his movement is below average at best, his step dash Sucks for movement and CAN'T be canceled into blocking or be kara canceled regularly, his air buttons aren't great, and hes has a tall hurtbox. His defense is also not good. He has no mash button faster than 5 frames, and his backdash is downright miserable to use. Mappa hunch has a long startup and is 6pable on reaction and on top of that his mix up has counter play.
Now let's discuss May! She has ALL of Slayers pros, shiting damage, and risk building. She has decent mixup and a command grab along with the best lariat in the game (7 frames). HOWEVER, she also has very fast movement, a standard backdash with a fantastic jump and fall speed. She has incredible jump buttons(j.s and j.h) and a 4 frame mash button. She has a small hurtbox, 8-way mix on knockdown, very disjointed buttons, a projectile, and a reversal that gives true 50/50 with 100 meter, the list goes on. Her only weakness was her inability to have long distance confirms, but with WA thats GONE TOO.
Slayer is not Top tier. To be top in strive, your character has to be practically flawless, with little to no obvious weaknesses, ya'know... like May, or Goldlewis, or Leo, or Nago. Slayer has real weaknesses that aren't compensated for by other things in his kit. Therefore, he is high tier at best.
Goldlewis has no weakness?
I'm very inclined to agree. Especially once higher tier play comes into the picture, a good match-up spread is very important and compared to Leo or May, Slayer definitely seems to struggle against some characters in my experience.
Disjointed and long horizontal moves really mess him up, to the point where even Baiken (HKab) or I-No (HCL, thanks to his size and weird dash) really put a wrench in his plans. Lingering projectiles like note or Leo's booms force him into the air or let the enemy footsie into a place where they're comfortable poking.
And not to make my distaste for Leo too obvious, but all his cross-ups start to grow meaningless again due to flashkick. Sure, Leo will just explode if you bait it, but would he really risk it without meter to RRC? (..I guess they often do, but that's on Leo players, not the character if they would simply pilot him defensively..)
@@HellecticMojo not any that actually exist, no
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Yeah this is very accurate, although one thing which I believe is incorrect is that 6ping mappa on reaction is not generally realistic. Most characters only get the above knee invuln on their 6ps on frame 4 and since the final possible active frame for k mappa is frame 19 this means it takes a 16 frame reaction to 6p it. This is not realistic for someone to do with any consistency in neutral.
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He ain't as wild as people say, and I've seen far worse.
how good is slayer? good enough to make may irrelevant
@@MayGGST ty MayGGST
that's cap
You play one of the, potentially the, best characters in the game, what are you talking about 😭
@@faggotinoprecioso slayer is just. may but better in every way shape or form. its sad how hard may fell of because of him
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