I'm still learning, but I try. I don't get much practice day-to-day over the last 2 years or so. :-) I try to slip in a phrase or two whenever I review a plane from mainland China (I had some Mandarin in my Q-5 review as well, for example).
Im hoping for j8 too but I can already see how much of a struggle the j8I is gonna be... It probably would have trouble dealing with f104s... J8II could be better depending on what kind of weapons are available.
To put it simply, PL-5s are bootleg aim-9Gs. With its wide seeker head tracking and its slightly superior rage compared to other sidewinder varients (the D&G being superior only in the range department), it can be a real powerhouse in ranged combat from 3km plus since most people dont expect a IR missile from that range.
It is identical to the 9D to me It is larger and harder hitting than the 9G, incredible range but no fancy extras The 9D is easily my favourite missile in game though
Gotta say between the slender fuselage and the gorgeous wide double delta wings the J-7E is a truly gorgeous aircraft. And it's a dedicated old school dogfighter through and through.
The j7e is a true hidden gem lol. I didn’t realise it’s a good dog fighter ,I just thought it was a mig21 but can retain its energy just a little bit more but boy was I wrong .it’s the best 11.0 dogfighter in game
@@hemendraravi4787 lol sure u do I have them and the j7e struggle alot it doesn't have the maneuverability to keep a fight with an f5e/c I've face them with the premium one and it cant keep the pace they stal out making them vulnerable targets to kill them
@@cristobalalvarez5491 u have used them in public match I have tested the j7e against f5e , viggen ,mld in custom battles and I have used f5e against j7e trust me f5e get slapped
Always a fan of MiG-21 family, and J-7E isn't the exception. In fact, its double delta wing design made it more awesome somehow. Still 2 tiers away until I can research it, unfortunately...
@@spyous7884 Americans have planes with a shit ton of flares and they're getting F-4J with AIM-7F and PD radar. Giving China competitive missiles wont break the game
@@spyous7884 uhhh? Americans have 60+ flares on all planes, 8 fuckin missiles on the phantom, and you say they don't have a way of countering that? American players man....
@@thetaxikab604 fun fact: not all planes, only the phantom e, and all other fighters at 11.0 have less than half of that (f5e, f8e) or isnt an actual fighter (a7e). And because the j7 is so manouverable, there is practically no way for a phantom pilot to win a fight against a j7e, and due to the lack of PD, any enemies who fly low (everyone these days for some reason) will not be spotted by radar. So essentially, sparrows these days are used as headon missiles instead of sarh, rendering them nearly useless. I dont even take those out these days. And if you want to say we're suffering, just look at the win rates. We are the only country which doesn't have a dogfight capable aircraft (f5e is 21k rp which isnt viable) and we also dont have fucking pulse doppler. Sure the russians might have none as well, but they have the 23 mld and it's irst is essentially pd.
@@allright21654 It is quite competitve though, the it is such a great missile and have died in situations where this is the only missile where flares dont do shit. F-4J has the same missile as the J-7E though, and sure it's a little competitve but the lack of guns makes it just like the fgr. Heavy, and unable to actually fight.
The PL5B is bugged with double the thrust it should. That’s why it’s range is great but can’t turn. It has a TWR of 428, so the missile itself undergoes 42Gs of acceleration in a straight line. It reaches Mach 2.7 from a on the ground stand still. The magic reaches Mach 1.3 under the same circumstances. Go on the forums and look for the bug report Forgot to mention that it also should be 30Gs not 20
@@pinkbunni1230 after the 23mm buff tho, the gun is pretty good now, I really enjoy it. They nerfed the nr-30s belts too... Now no matter what belt you choose you always have a dead weight AP round, even with air targets. Before the air targets belt was full HE and even the default belt was better than the current air targets. It's such a shame.
@@thetaxikab604 the APHE round isn’t that bad. It’s not like it’s solid or incendiary so it does hits pretty hard. The 23mm can do some damage buts just the velocity that makes it not as favorable compared to other guns at the tier
finally, someone else who's had the j7E for long enough to know this. Its been bugged since ixwa strike i believe. the missle used to be very potent before they messed up its weight and forgot to change tracking according to the new weight. its a joke it will miss targets flying in a straight line unless the missile is shot from 3 kms away and i have consistently gotten kills with it launching from 6 kms away which shouldnt be possible.
I really enjoy the J-7E but it needs more missile options, I’ve seen PL-5Bs snipe phantoms at 4km while they were flaring but they’re way too dependent on very specific circumstances to be viable. I’d like to have the option for them and something like the PL-7, for when I’m in the turn-and-burn situations. The PL-5B is no good within 1.5km, so you basically can’t use it to full potential in the play style it’s designed around. It can be a good energy trapper for teammates but that’s somewhat of a waste of a plane
The reason the missile isn't good at close range is because it has double the thrust that it should have. It actually has a higher tracking rate than aim 9js so once it shows down a bit it pulls hard. It never carried pl7s but it did carry pl5C which are 30g and have a different fin design
@@Jay-rb5rs I was trying to look into wether it actually carried PL-7. But that’s good to know, I’ve gotten some good kills with the PL-5B so it’s not a shit missile by any means, I think Gaijin were also aware of the flaws or errors they implemented so it was given a huge boresight, but to me that’s just a bandaid solution rather than modeling the missile correctly
Tho not ezactly an MDF i would love to see the cockpit more updated with at least the EADI (electronic attitude direction indicator) and EHSI (electronic horizontal position indicator) together with its RWR (hopefully working) I would love to fly this without the UI in sb
So, dedicated ground attack and multirole aircraft don't get ballistic computers, but this plane designed almost exclusively for short range air to air gets one? What drugs is the snail on, I want some
I'm having trouble playing with it, it seems that something has changed with the missiles and now they don't hit anything, I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
Doesn't the plane also have the pl-7 irl? Which is a magic copy. It would be really awesome if we could bring 2x pl-5b and 2x pl-7. It would increase its versatility big time.
The Pl-5 and 8 were all I could confirm in primary sources, but some info on the PL-7 (rather than the J-7E) says it was carried by the J-7E .. so .. maybe? ... not 100% sure.
@@TimsVariety PL-7 is an export-oriented missile that was not equipped on the J-7E, since the E variant is only supplied to PLA. In addition, the export version G variant which based on the E variant has the ability to launch PL-7.
At this point, giving us J8II won't help a lot I would say. But tbh these less major countries in WT always fall behind anyway in top tier battles.(France, China, Italy,etc)
man i unlocked this plane recently and its such an amazing plane but i absolutely get demolished by aim 7fs at the br its on. I think they should reduce it to 10
At the very least, it should get the PL-7 and PL-5E, as unlike the PL-8 these are still well within the bounds of what we've already got in-game while being better than the 5B
It never carried pl7 and pl5e is similar performance wise to the aim9m so its too modern to be added. There's the pl5c which is 30gs and is a fit for what currently is in game
afaik the PL-5B mass is wrong in game. The book they took the specification from had a typo. There is no way a small IR missile weight double that of AIM9s.
G'day Tim, Hm such a nice colour schemes that airshow one an I had it once but scraped it, maybe in another 400 crates I'll get it again. Another point on the scheme is, If mainland Chinese weren't as nationalistic as they're an didn't go out TK'ing due to decal placement (Observation over multiple TK's due to simple ensignia placement) I would actually suggest ROC ensignia over the stars as being a blue & while aircraft the blue & while ensignia go aesthetically well together. Still so close yet far until I get the J-7E an will probably be the last MiG-21 I get for I've stopped flying AF for a few months now an is researching all the NF Cost'all trees. Now speaking of the Chinese tree what is the possibility of a guide on the ROC NA F-100A Super Sabre? Which is probably the best super sabre in game (it's debatable).
2:05 What? What??? All the MiG-21F-13 based J-7 before F-7MP only has ranging radar, even the J-7M which is the most advance J-7 in avionic at 1987 are only equipped a British made ranging radar, even the J-7M has a HUD with a weapons aiming computer and an atmospheric computer. At that time, the Chinese airforce do want a search radar in the new double delta wing J-7. However if the new J-7 equipped with search radar, they need to design a new nose cone, so the No.132 factory who lead the program decided to reject such proposal. Which is reasonable, even the Chinese operates first generation MiG-21 more then 20 years at that time, those designer are still pessimistic with any rapid change in the airframe, include this new delta wing which is a scholar's idea at university and the airframe, aerodynamics and a auto flaps system are design and tested by the uni itself which is unbelievable at that time, I mean in mainland China ofc.
@Infinity lol it cant outurn or outfight the f5e/c everytime the j7e they loose they cant keep a sustained turnfight nor any dogfight they stall out easily and cant get guns on 90 percent of the time
@Infinity draken loses in a 2 circle if on the deck and j7e. F5e is almost equal in the one circle but the j7e has more maneuverability at low speeds as well as beats the f5e in a two circle
Do you have any tips on starting in realistic battles? I’m at Rank 3 in the US aviation tech tree and I was wondering if I should start playing realistic or not, and if I should start, what tips do you have for starting?
Depends on what plane ur using and what country. I started to really play rb around br 4.0, cause thats when I started to understand the game better. Learn your plane strengths, learn how to lead, cause you wont have a reticle for that, dont rip your wings in a dive, watch videos on the certain vehicle you play, I recommend defyn and spitflyer, and remember to learn the strengths and weaknessess of your enemies.
I have a video about that (more specifically, transitioning from props to jets - but it includes the transition from AB to RB) that should be out probably later this month.
As a native Chinese, I find your attempt at speaking Mandarin adorable and actually somewhat accurate .
Keep up the good work.
I'm still learning, but I try. I don't get much practice day-to-day over the last 2 years or so. :-)
I try to slip in a phrase or two whenever I review a plane from mainland China (I had some Mandarin in my Q-5 review as well, for example).
I noticed that as well
A fact.... my dad has flown 3 versions of the F-7.... F-7 BG, F-7BGI and the F-7MB.... "Bangladesh Air Force"
That's awesome!
J-7E is in my top 3 favorite top tier jet in the game. I’m really hoping they bring the J-8 sometime soon!
This is definitely my go to plane if I want to jump into some furballs. I hope we see a J8II soon as well.
@@rampageTG Same here man! 🤟🏼
Read on the forums some time ago that the J8 is being made but they were having problems with the cockpit
Im hoping for j8 too but I can already see how much of a struggle the j8I is gonna be... It probably would have trouble dealing with f104s... J8II could be better depending on what kind of weapons are available.
@@EPsuperFan as long as the J8II gets the PL11 I’ll be happy. But yea J8I will be a pain.
I knew this was coming since you replied to my comment on the F5A video
Its actually been done for a while, but I stagger/schedule my video releases.
@@TimsVariety oh ok, anyways great video Tim, it's me from my mobile account
@@mikifabriki Why not use the same account?
@@guchi4456 idk 🤷♂️
So they give the J7E (a plane which never had any dedicated A2G capabilites to begin with) full CCIP, but the Q5s just go XD and leave them.
Amazing
You need Q-5D m8, which is a 90s product like the J-7E lel.
Well eventually Q-5s got CCIP lol.
To put it simply, PL-5s are bootleg aim-9Gs. With its wide seeker head tracking and its slightly superior rage compared to other sidewinder varients (the D&G being superior only in the range department), it can be a real powerhouse in ranged combat from 3km plus since most people dont expect a IR missile from that range.
I consistently get 6km kills with those pl5bs, people don't acknowledge the range on those things
@@mikifabriki yeah man. D's,Gs, and the PLs are range monsters
It is identical to the 9D to me
It is larger and harder hitting than the 9G, incredible range but no fancy extras
The 9D is easily my favourite missile in game though
@@thomasmacdonough288 9G for me only because the seeker circle is massive on the 9G so I can pull lead a lot easier
Gotta say between the slender fuselage and the gorgeous wide double delta wings the J-7E is a truly gorgeous aircraft. And it's a dedicated old school dogfighter through and through.
Now we need the J8/J8 II
Soon I hope!
The j7e is a true hidden gem lol. I didn’t realise it’s a good dog fighter ,I just thought it was a mig21 but can retain its energy just a little bit more but boy was I wrong .it’s the best 11.0 dogfighter in game
The f5c/e can beat it in a dogfight
@@cristobalalvarez5491 nope I have the f5e and it can’t beat it
@@hemendraravi4787 lol sure u do I have them and the j7e struggle alot it doesn't have the maneuverability to keep a fight with an f5e/c I've face them with the premium one and it cant keep the pace they stal out making them vulnerable targets to kill them
@@cristobalalvarez5491 hmm how about we 1v1 ?
@@cristobalalvarez5491 u have used them in public match I have tested the j7e against f5e , viggen ,mld in custom battles and I have used f5e against j7e trust me f5e get slapped
Always a fan of MiG-21 family, and J-7E isn't the exception. In fact, its double delta wing design made it more awesome somehow.
Still 2 tiers away until I can research it, unfortunately...
Well over a year later you should definitely have had it for a while now.
Love your reviews, you deserve a lot more subs!
Nice pronuciation on the Bayi Feixing Biaoyandui!
I'm trying! :-) I'm not fluent, but its a fun language to learn.
Ah, the J7E from your tutorial video.
PL-5B has 30G+ maneuverability IRL tho, it needs a buff in-game.
balancing reasons. The americans dont have aircraft or weaponary capable of going against that
@@spyous7884 Americans have planes with a shit ton of flares and they're getting F-4J with AIM-7F and PD radar. Giving China competitive missiles wont break the game
@@spyous7884 uhhh?
Americans have 60+ flares on all planes, 8 fuckin missiles on the phantom, and you say they don't have a way of countering that?
American players man....
@@thetaxikab604 fun fact: not all planes, only the phantom e, and all other fighters at 11.0 have less than half of that (f5e, f8e) or isnt an actual fighter (a7e). And because the j7 is so manouverable, there is practically no way for a phantom pilot to win a fight against a j7e, and due to the lack of PD, any enemies who fly low (everyone these days for some reason) will not be spotted by radar. So essentially, sparrows these days are used as headon missiles instead of sarh, rendering them nearly useless. I dont even take those out these days. And if you want to say we're suffering, just look at the win rates. We are the only country which doesn't have a dogfight capable aircraft (f5e is 21k rp which isnt viable) and we also dont have fucking pulse doppler. Sure the russians might have none as well, but they have the 23 mld and it's irst is essentially pd.
@@allright21654 It is quite competitve though, the it is such a great missile and have died in situations where this is the only missile where flares dont do shit. F-4J has the same missile as the J-7E though, and sure it's a little competitve but the lack of guns makes it just like the fgr. Heavy, and unable to actually fight.
i would also really like seeing the j12 light fighters the second variant which would actually be pretty decent ingame.
PL-8 is license produced Python 3 so maybe now that Israel is being added we'll eventually see it on the J-7E as the tech trees push forward.
Love the ending，一如既往，感谢观看.
Sounds weird but understandable lol.
Great content, Chinese tech tree could really use more love.
The PL5B is bugged with double the thrust it should. That’s why it’s range is great but can’t turn. It has a TWR of 428, so the missile itself undergoes 42Gs of acceleration in a straight line. It reaches Mach 2.7 from a on the ground stand still. The magic reaches Mach 1.3 under the same circumstances. Go on the forums and look for the bug report
Forgot to mention that it also should be 30Gs not 20
And I love the NR-30. It’s such a great gun compared to the water pistol found on Russian jets
@@pinkbunni1230 after the 23mm buff tho, the gun is pretty good now, I really enjoy it.
They nerfed the nr-30s belts too... Now no matter what belt you choose you always have a dead weight AP round, even with air targets.
Before the air targets belt was full HE and even the default belt was better than the current air targets.
It's such a shame.
@@thetaxikab604 the APHE round isn’t that bad. It’s not like it’s solid or incendiary so it does hits pretty hard. The 23mm can do some damage buts just the velocity that makes it not as favorable compared to other guns at the tier
@@pinkbunni1230 that's the thing, it's not an aphe anymore, just ap-i, the old belt had aphe
finally, someone else who's had the j7E for long enough to know this. Its been bugged since ixwa strike i believe. the missle used to be very potent before they messed up its weight and forgot to change tracking according to the new weight. its a joke it will miss targets flying in a straight line unless the missile is shot from 3 kms away and i have consistently gotten kills with it launching from 6 kms away which shouldnt be possible.
I really enjoy the J-7E but it needs more missile options, I’ve seen PL-5Bs snipe phantoms at 4km while they were flaring but they’re way too dependent on very specific circumstances to be viable. I’d like to have the option for them and something like the PL-7, for when I’m in the turn-and-burn situations. The PL-5B is no good within 1.5km, so you basically can’t use it to full potential in the play style it’s designed around. It can be a good energy trapper for teammates but that’s somewhat of a waste of a plane
The reason the missile isn't good at close range is because it has double the thrust that it should have. It actually has a higher tracking rate than aim 9js so once it shows down a bit it pulls hard. It never carried pl7s but it did carry pl5C which are 30g and have a different fin design
@@Jay-rb5rs I was trying to look into wether it actually carried PL-7. But that’s good to know, I’ve gotten some good kills with the PL-5B so it’s not a shit missile by any means, I think Gaijin were also aware of the flaws or errors they implemented so it was given a huge boresight, but to me that’s just a bandaid solution rather than modeling the missile correctly
@@Jay-rb5rs it also carried Pl-5E which is all aspect and can pull around 30G
@@willsills6353 that missile is too good to be added rn
This man is a chaddd thanks so much for making this review my guy
Tho not ezactly an MDF i would love to see the cockpit more updated with at least the EADI (electronic attitude direction indicator) and EHSI (electronic horizontal position indicator) together with its RWR (hopefully working)
I would love to fly this without the UI in sb
One thing I would like to see in these reviews is all the camos for the vehicles
He talks about skins for each vehicle. But most don’t actually have any other than fan made ones you have to download.
Really excited to get this! I'm only 80 thousand research points away.
lol,i have played it 800 times
@@yuluoxianjun wow, u must be so cool
So, dedicated ground attack and multirole aircraft don't get ballistic computers, but this plane designed almost exclusively for short range air to air gets one? What drugs is the snail on, I want some
The miracle the double delta can do.
Begs the Q why all delta wing crafts don't have double deltas.
Extra drag, less structural strength. Varies by exact specifications of course but aero engineers for the most part know what they're doing.
His wing really remembers me the f16 wing
Love this channel!
I'm having trouble playing with it, it seems that something has changed with the missiles and now they don't hit anything, I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
PL5B was weakened
GRATZ ON 7K!!!!
Great video!
Doesn't the plane also have the pl-7 irl? Which is a magic copy. It would be really awesome if we could bring 2x pl-5b and 2x pl-7.
It would increase its versatility big time.
The Pl-5 and 8 were all I could confirm in primary sources, but some info on the PL-7 (rather than the J-7E) says it was carried by the J-7E .. so .. maybe? ... not 100% sure.
@@TimsVariety PL-7 is an export-oriented missile that was not equipped on the J-7E, since the E variant is only supplied to PLA. In addition, the export version G variant which based on the E variant has the ability to launch PL-7.
At this point, giving us J8II won't help a lot I would say. But tbh these less major countries in WT always fall behind anyway in top tier battles.(France, China, Italy,etc)
I'm a fan of the J7E, though getting that deep into the Chinese tree will take a year or two for me
Not really, 5 months without playing everyday
took me 2 weeks with the F5 shenyang
@@Wienerslinky would have taken u a week with the a5
@@mikifabriki i know, but the a5 wasnt in the game at that point
man i unlocked this plane recently and its such an amazing plane but i absolutely get demolished by aim 7fs at the br its on. I think they should reduce it to 10
I can’t understand why this thing costs more than 60K in sim just as stock.
At the very least, it should get the PL-7 and PL-5E, as unlike the PL-8 these are still well within the bounds of what we've already got in-game while being better than the 5B
It never carried pl7 and pl5e is similar performance wise to the aim9m so its too modern to be added. There's the pl5c which is 30gs and is a fit for what currently is in game
If you can, you should do a review on the American phantoms
Weren’t PL-2’s just Chinese copies of the R-3S?
"八一飞行表演队"
Well done!
U1S1 QS
nice review
afaik the PL-5B mass is wrong in game. The book they took the specification from had a typo. There is no way a small IR missile weight double that of AIM9s.
they fixed it 2 patches ago
@@SergeantArchDornan2242 but they kept the thrust the same so it has similar thrust to an aim7 lol
@@Jay-rb5rs No way
@@spyous7884 it does thats the reason why it has insane range and can't turn at close range
@@spyous7884 it has a thrust to weight of 428 iirc. The magic has a TWR or 301 being the highest non bugged dogfight IR AAM
they just updated the missile to remove its 4g launch load limit
Already at 7K next up 10K
G'day Tim,
Hm such a nice colour schemes that airshow one an I had it once but scraped it, maybe in another 400 crates I'll get it again.
Another point on the scheme is, If mainland Chinese weren't as nationalistic as they're an didn't go out TK'ing due to decal placement (Observation over multiple TK's due to simple ensignia placement) I would actually suggest ROC ensignia over the stars as being a blue & while aircraft the blue & while ensignia go aesthetically well together.
Still so close yet far until I get the J-7E an will probably be the last MiG-21 I get for I've stopped flying AF for a few months now an is researching all the NF Cost'all trees.
Now speaking of the Chinese tree what is the possibility of a guide on the ROC NA F-100A Super Sabre? Which is probably the best super sabre in game (it's debatable).
If they add the pl8, then they have to add the python missiles for the Israelis. More or less the same missile I believe
just me getting deja vu´s when watching this or?
This gets the ballistics computer but the nesher doesn't? Sheesh! What a clusterfuck!
2:05 What? What???
All the MiG-21F-13 based J-7 before F-7MP only has ranging radar, even the J-7M which is the most advance J-7 in avionic at 1987 are only equipped a British made ranging radar, even the J-7M has a HUD with a weapons aiming computer and an atmospheric computer.
At that time, the Chinese airforce do want a search radar in the new double delta wing J-7. However if the new J-7 equipped with search radar, they need to design a new nose cone, so the No.132 factory who lead the program decided to reject such proposal. Which is reasonable, even the Chinese operates first generation MiG-21 more then 20 years at that time, those designer are still pessimistic with any rapid change in the airframe, include this new delta wing which is a scholar's idea at university and the airframe, aerodynamics and a auto flaps system are design and tested by the uni itself which is unbelievable at that time, I mean in mainland China ofc.
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Jokes aside good vid keep up the good work
Yes daddy's Tim video
I'm early
If this was meant to compete with the Fb-16 for sales, why isn't the F-16 in game? 👀
If only the Chinese line had Taiwanese Mirages
I'm hopeful for the AIDC FCK-1 at some point.
@@TimsVariety me too but that would have to be after the F-16 which I suppose would take quite a while to get into the game
I like this plane but I feel it should be 10.7 tops... few flares, 4 PL5B that doesn't work well in my experience
@Infinity I’ve out fought some Draken pilots, but never got to kill them bc I didn’t have the armament to use in a dogfight
@Infinity draken only beats this thing in one circle, of you take it in a rate fight, then they are fucked. othernway around for f5
Then the f4e should be 10.7
@Infinity lol it cant outurn or outfight the f5e/c everytime the j7e they loose they cant keep a sustained turnfight nor any dogfight they stall out easily and cant get guns on 90 percent of the time
@Infinity draken loses in a 2 circle if on the deck and j7e. F5e is almost equal in the one circle but the j7e has more maneuverability at low speeds as well as beats the f5e in a two circle
Do you have any tips on starting in realistic battles? I’m at Rank 3 in the US aviation tech tree and I was wondering if I should start playing realistic or not, and if I should start, what tips do you have for starting?
realistuc battles are a lot better if 6ou know the standard things in war thunder
Depends on what plane ur using and what country. I started to really play rb around br 4.0, cause thats when I started to understand the game better.
Learn your plane strengths, learn how to lead, cause you wont have a reticle for that, dont rip your wings in a dive, watch videos on the certain vehicle you play, I recommend defyn and spitflyer, and remember to learn the strengths and weaknessess of your enemies.
I have a video about that (more specifically, transitioning from props to jets - but it includes the transition from AB to RB) that should be out probably later this month.
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You spray too much, I'd suggest working on your trigger finger. Otherwise, good video!
Lmfao this thing was meant to be a match for the f16💀 at least they tried
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“The J-7E is bad because it is Chinese.” - Every War Thunder player with a brain
Don't bring Taiwan into this
@Infinity I'm aware
Without*
without a brain*
Those players' brains then got turned into mush when a PL5B converted whatever aircraft they were flying into scrap metal.