Goa'uld have been known struggle at controlling strong willed hosts, such as the case with Skaara. I'm fairly certain that a Wraith would be mentally resistant, especially when connected to their telepathic network. The best scenario for a Goa'uld would be to form a true symbiotic relationship a Wraith. Similar to what the Tok'ra have with their human hosts.
Considering they have similar goals, and the access to technology/genetic memory I could see the wraith agreeing to this joining. Considering it aint a drone.
I think it would be difficult but not impossible for a powerful Goa'uld mind to control most Wraith, however there is zero chance that a Goa'uld would be satisfied within being a bit player in such a strict hierarchy, so if they were to exist within Goa'uld society they would seek to take a queen as a host. Given how powerful the minds of Wraith queens are, I doubt even the most powerful Goa'uld could keep them under control. However there is a way they might be able to have their cake an eat it - a way for even the weakest Goa'uld to inhabit the body of a Wraith queen: create the host using the same technology Anubis used to create his Kull warriors, resulting in a queen without a mind to control. That said, there is still another potential flaw to the plan. When Teyla Emmagan masqueraded as a queen in SGA S05E08 "The Queen", she did so for a relatively short period of time - and it had to be short to avoid the possibility of her being identified by the other Wraith. For a Goa'uld to exist at the pinnacle of Wraith society for millennia they would have to go entirely undetected - which is a problem given the Wraith's telepathic network. Therefore I think a Goa'uld who has taken a Wraith (even a queen) as their host would be wise to avoid the Wraith entirely.
@@matthewal9545 Doubt they would cooperate at that level. Remember when they turned Michael human? The other wraith thought of him as dirty because of it. Similarly, the wraith were not too keen on taking the retrovirus to allow them to eat normal food. I feel like wraith would have a similar reaction to blending that sg1 did when they first heard about it.
@@tavdy79 I agree with you but I think the only possible solution would be for that goauld queen to just build her own hive from scratch. A whole hive full of goauld wraiths. My God.
From a social standpoint, given the wraith's telepathic abilities, if they managed to take possession, I think they'd need to either A: Be very open about what they are, or B: Abandon wraith territory and set up shop somewhere outside their influence because the queens will detect them thus making keeping the secret difficult. I don't see masquerading working out well for them.
imagine a Goa'uld Take a Wraith as Host you thought Anubis was powerful he's a wet fart compared the Goa'uld that has a wraith host that's the moment you know your fucked
I believe so, however this would just suggest that masquerading as a normal wraith would be more difficult. There are other issues about taking possession, however I don't think this is one of them.
Great topic! I always wondered why they didn't make an episode with a Goa'uld taking a Wraith as a host, I mean the wraith are literally immortal as long as they feed and have not just superhuman strength but also psychic abilities, a total paradise for a Goa'uld. Just imagine what a beast that would be though
For the same reason they stopped infesting Unas. The Goa’uld prefer “good looking” hosts, and their beauty standards are pretty close to human beauty standards.
I feel like they would be incompatible in the beginning where all the wraiths would realize that one of their own was infected with a goauld and seek to destroy it. But after being convinced and sweet talked,they would fall in line with their new goauld wraith leader.
A Goa'uld _might_ be able to take on a Wraith host, but they wouldn't last very long in the body before the body was destroyed. Since Wraith Queens are telepathic they'd be able to sense the duality of minds within the host and immediately know something was fishy. But I'll do you one better. Could a Replicator replicate a Goa'uld (like they did with humans) and take on a human host?
no. edit imo goulds i guess tie into the nerve system. control that way.... but if they can influence dreams as we seen them do etc they got telepathy of their own as well. something i never seen the machines have. they may look the part. and beable to control human etc like a remote control would. but to fully blend and co-exist as the goulds do. no.............although they did put everyone in that dream state....... on thors planet and other times ofc. hand in head trick. u trap the human in lala land. and the replicator would have full control...... maybe in time learn to at least fake emotions? so hmm more i think about it i guess given time and so on.
I don't see why not, if they studied the Goa'uld physiology extensively enough and were able to manipulate or completely change the genetic memory to parts of their own knowledge. Since Anubis managed to ascend with the help of Oma Desala, maybe this way the (copied) minds of the Replicators could do it too (given enough time), truly matching their creators in the last possible way.
@@barbiquearea I actually think that a wraith and by that i mean a wraith queen would probably be an ideal host for Anubis as their ability to feed and heal themselves would work as a good counter to Anubis’ sort of life stealing nature where he degraded and killed his hosts over time and needed the special shield to stay in one host he might not need that shield with a wraith host Not only the healing but he would have access to their hive mind and as a partially ascended being he may even be able to influence the hive mind after taking over especially something like a queen where the other in general are already compelled to serve Anubis could become like the one true queen or something
@@barbiquearea If he (is that right for a Goa'uld?) was returned to a normal Goa'uld form then yeah I think he would have a good shot of taking a Wraith and even a queen. He wasn't entirely a corporeal entity on return though, more of a cloud of energy that could barely interact with the physical universe and as such I doubt he could take any host but also no longer needed one and was in a way more powerful anyway. Just remembered he might actually as the episode he is out of his suit thingy and could posess people/make them a temp host so maybe actually but not for long as a Wraith queen would be way more resistant than a normie human. been awhile seems I need to rewatch SG1, oh no lol If Anubis managed acension again (likey not possible due to the Ancients just blocking him) and was sent back again I reckon he would gain enough additional knowledge to overcome the lack of a form issue and take anyone/anything as a host as his cloud form and be able to hang on to Asgard or wraith hosts but might take a few tries to grip a queen and therefore her entire hive.
In one episode Teal'c says "if I can't secure a new one, I will eventually be taken over by my mature symbiote" so it is possible for a jaffa to be a host since they're mostly human
True but I think its more of a means of last resort than choosing a desirable host for a symbiote to take control of their Jaffa. This is because Jaffa lack an immune system, so for a fledgling young Goa'uld to take over the body of their host, it would be extremely taxing for them to keep the Jaffa's body healthy.
@@barbiquearea I don't understand what point you're trying to make about immune systems being a problem? The infant is already acting as the immune system and from what we see of the tokra they continue providing some if not all of the immune system into adulthood. I would also assume that you would want a suppressed or non-existent immune system so that it doesn't attack the Symbiote. Maybe there is some other reason they are undesirable. Look at the unas for example, they fell out of fashion for some reason.
@@matthewfrost3677 According to Ra, humans were preferred because their bodies were easier to repair. At the time, I thought he meant it was easier for the symbiote to repair. Later on in the series we find out humans were a better match for the sarcophagus to repair because humans more closely match Ancient physiology.
Did anyone see David Hewlett in the new Netflix series Guillermo_del_Toro&Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities? It was great seeing him again on the screen. I also saw him in the Apple series "See" with a little Stargate Atlantis reunion with Jason Momoa and Joe Flanigan.
One issue you missed is that Hathor says the Queen needs Dna from the intended host species or symbiotes can fail to blend properly. So that significantly worsens the odds from the get go
We had so many questions concerning the Goa'uld and the Wraith. Like 1. With the Goa'uld sarcophagus, couldn't a single unwilling host be used as a food source over and over? Just have a Wraith drain them to the point of death, regenerate them and do it again. 2. Did we ever get to see a wraith Mothership up against a Ha'tak or a Deathglider against a Dart. This video was worth the watch, thank you for putting it together.
I think it's possible for a Goa'uld to use a sarcophagus to heal up a partially fed on human but a dead victim body is so decimated by the act of feeding there is little left to regenerate. Be like painting a dry-rotted board to make it strong and usable again. Looking at the fully fed on humans there's no fluids left in the body all the cells and possibly the DNA is destroyed. It'd be like trying to resurrect a 1000 year old mummy, just nothing to work with.
Considering that the wraith and their ships took on ancients, even if massivly outclassed, i think hataks would go boom. Same with gliders vs darts. Like a dart fits into a gate while a glider doesnt, so since the glider shoot from two canons on his wings can he even hit a dart, lol? Thats what i wonder
@@hulmhochberg8129 There was an episode where Bratak had uncovered an old glider that was designed to fly through a gate but it was very hard to fly only the best pilots could fly it so they dropped the design.
Really depends on how the hive mind works, I suspects that they should be able to tell. In that case the Goa'uld would be hunted down quickly. It would put up a good fight however since it is most likely very hard to kill having the healing combo of both species. I would have loved to have seen this. A Wraith/Goa'uld being hunted down, jumping hosts when it's body is out of energy etc. If it can hide I do agree that it should be able to take over a queen. Then is the question if it can upgrade the capabilities with it's knowledge of different kind of technology. I doubt the increase would be much, but it might be enough to give it an edge against other queens. All will depend on the character of the Goa'uld, can it be patient enough to play a long game, since it is more of less immortal now? How are it's tactical abilities? etc
I feel like the wraith psychic network might reject the goa'uld. Or what if the symbiote couldn't take advantage of the wraith's feeding process, then they'd just be dead end hosts. But I bet Nirti would loooooove to have some wraith to experiment on.
But that psychic link isn’t always active, and has range limits, so that’s not really a factor. Now, the fact that Wraith have powerful minds might mean a Wraith would be able to resist its own Goa’uld symbiote, but I don’t think the psychic link would play a part.
Lucky for us as a species that Nirrti isn’t around to incorporate Wraith into her Hok’tar experiments, then… 😅 _(Looks at Cassandra’s whole civilisation)_
-- Ok, Wraith psychic network might reject the Goa'uld, sure. and if it didn't, what if the Goa'uld could use it to their advantage? instead of taking one Wraith, Would they be able to take them all? 'o.O
@@Magpie_Media Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the intended plot of _Stargate: Extinction_ involved a massive-scale clash between the Goa’uld and Wraith, forcing multiple factions and civilisations usually at odds to band together in an effort to eradicate them both. Would it be tenuous at best for the Tau’ri, Tok’ra, Free Jaffa Nation, Lucian Alliance, Genii, and Vanir to stand together against two Big Bad civilisations who couldn’t be stopped in the decamillennia prior to the plot-relevant turmoil? Probably, but it wouldn’t be impossible, right? 🤷🏻♂️
Don't forget there are large numbers of symbiotes that do not have naquaeda in their systems at all. In the episode where Jackson was kidnapped by the Unas, two hosts were taken by symbiotes native to the planet. Carter could not tell that the symbiotes were present due to the fact that they had no naqueada in their bodies, as it was not native to their homeworld. The second issue is the Wraith hive mind. As far as we know, the Goauld have no experience dealing with hiveminds. If they are not able to mask their presence, any infected host would almost certainly be destroyed, having been seen as a threat. I am willing to bet the lieutenants wouldn't even serve an infected queen. So assuming they can bond to Wraith physiology, the only real plan the Goauld would have would be to capture a hive and all its crew, and then bring the ship to their ancestral homeworld (if they even remember it) and use the large number of naqueada free symbiotes there to infect the entire hive simultaneously. The combination of Wraith biotechnology and Goauld technology would be pretty disastrous if it worked out though. Hives with shields and naqueada (or naquadria) power sources would be an overwhelming threat, to the uninfected Wraith, the Gaould that don't fall in line, and the Tauri. They would likely even pose a challenge to the Asgard, given that shields would enable them to survive more hits, and their thick hulls would be extremely difficult to penetrate before the advent of their plasma weaponry to fight the Ori. We see that hive ships can sustain many hits before detonating from other hives, and hive weapons press Tauri-Asgard shields pretty hard.
There are some questions better left unanswered! A Goa’uld with the healing powers, mind powers and speed of the Wraith? That sounds worse than the treat of the Ori 😂
We need the Orisi to become infected with Michaels gene-splicing, then have someone like Sokar take control of that body. That's a threat level beyond.
Love topics like this! ❤👍 It also says in SG1 that Jaffa were created to lower the risk of rejection when Goa’uld blend with a human hosts, so there is a chance both Goa’uld & Wraith could die during the process! In the storyline I think it’s definitely possible but a risk for the Goa’uld, even if he had a sarcophagus in reach!
Would love to see what would have happened if Ori would have decided to invade Pegasus instead of Milky Way. The people would have very excited to join Ori to get free from Wraith fear (praying to the Ori seems very small price for them). Wraith on the other hand would give good fight with their massive fleets and ability to adapt very quickly with new tech. That would have been amazing.
It would require an entire hive. Somewhere in the galaxy, maybe there is a juvenate queen with minimal drones, stored away in suspended animation, a failsafe against genocide of the Wraith race. Infecting them with gou'uld and then awakening them together, is how to get the parasites fused into the other parasites' hivemind.
Considering the Wraith are telepathic, I doubt the Goa’uld would survive for long if it took a drone first. Someone would realize something is up and kill it. Drones were noted to be basically animals without the hive mind. Also, what would the Wraith gain from this? All they’d find out is there are more places to feed on than earth. Which could mean exploratory runs on the Milky Way. Which if that was never brought up in the show, it’s doubtful the Wraith know there are more human worlds than Earth.
It may be worthwhile to consider that after a goa'uld/Wraith bonding it would be the Wraith who is dominant and benefited. What if the Wraith invade the Milky Way galaxy not for humans to feed on, but symbiotes?
That's right Hathor told Daniel Jackson that if a Goa'uld queen breeds with the body of a new host species, any offspring produced will be able to better control the new stock of hosts.
In one fanfic it had the Wraith deliberately take Goa'uld from dead Jaffa, as the Goa'uld couldn't control them, allowing the Wraith to have the advantages. It said that also increased the range of their telepathic abilities. It was interesting and seemed more fitting. Afterall, as they showed, many Goa'uld have managed to survive in different beings, but the Wraith telepathic network would be to quick to sense if they were able to be controlled, as others have pointed out.
@@evanboll4651 I'll try to find it. I know it was on AO3 and a multiple crossover, involving Criminal Minds, Sentinal, CSI and NCIS at least, but most are explained enough. Criminal Minds is the biggest contribution. I think it's called something like Firestarter. I will try to link, but I had heard links dont do so well in comments
@@evanboll4651 The link wont paste, but it was Codename:Firestarter. Hopefully you'll find it ok. I went to the Stargate page, then added searched for Criminal Minds. It starts with the Wraith attacking Vegas.
1 ha'tak would likely be destroyed as they were outmatched by BC-304, while BC-304's struggled against hiveships (only by lucky shot it was possible to destroy one). 1 hiveship vs multiple ha'taks? We dont really know how effective would ha'taks weapons be against hiveships which had good armor and were able to regenerate. I think if ha'tak crews knew where to aim they could surround it and one ship might hit the weakspots, but then again, could wraiths strengthen those weak points in future? Since their ships are biological, this seems not that hard to do.
Ha'taks were honestly fodder ships by the time we were introduced to the Wraith. A Ha'tak vs a Hive Ship would be a joke of a fight, the Hive would annihilate the Ha'tak in the first salvo. A Wraith Cruiser would be a much better match, but I'd argue the Cruiser still has the advantage here.
2:50 That sounds weird to me. Even if the Wraith found Atlantis, why would they go to the milky way? They have no idea that there are any (and so many!) humans there.
Ehm...have you seen the show? Their entire goal was to reach Earth, because of the vast population of the milky way, since they got awakened by the humans
@@jupamoers According to the story earth was invaded by Apophis, this means they never made it to Atlantis, they never awakened the Wraith, and the Wraith never learned about the vast population of the milky way.
@@jupamoers And you replied to my comment, which refers to a statement in the video that explicitly refers to the books. Yes, considering only the canon show you're right. But this is not the subject.
My thought is, no. Wraith biology is far too different from other humanoids. And their much stronger mental abilities would reject the symbiote. Even some other humanoids with stronger mental abilities have been able to reject them. I think the Goa'uld could certainly try. But it would be like the Adria situation where it wouldn't stick and the Wraith mental abilities would reject it.
Wraith are derived from humans, and we know Goa'uld can take hosts different enough they don't even bleed the same color. I think it would be premature to dismiss the possibility out of hand. Adria's symbiote was suppressed by an outside source so it could be removed, she didn't merely retake control. And if Adria can't simply overpower her symbiote I don't know who could. It seems to me that some kind of biological quirk must be required, but without knowing something about what that quirk is there's no way to predict if the wraith have it.
@@StormsparkPegasus Humans and ancients seem just about identical physiologically so that distinction honestly didn't even cross my mind. You are right about that much though. But the second part is just semantics. I'd argue the wraith could be considered to be "derived" from both Ancient and Iratus bug, but the words don't really matter. The truth is they took on enough Ancient traits to resemble them more than the original Iratus bug, including at least one entire organ system they can't use.
Before start. I don't think so. Maybe a foot soldier masked one. Anyways... Since the Episode Vegas I can imagine a life ever lasting as a wraith. Eating a bank owner then making a cult..... Bit dark I know... :D
I think a Goa'uld Queen taking a Wraith Queen would be a threat on the same level of Khul warriors. Wraith Jaffa. That would be hard to put down and keep down. A hive even with a Goa'uld shield would tip most battles in favor of those who have it. Cruisers with cloaks.
This, honestly the scariest possibilities with a Goauld/Wraith combo, is the genetic memory of the parasite in question, and the ability to create Jaffa (that are wraith or Michaels wraith/human hybrids). Hyperdrives that are better. Cloaks, shields, the sarcaphagus technology. Hell the Goa'uld spent thousands of years 'cultivating' humans and could reinvent Wraith society specially if they came to the Pegasus galaxy during Season 3-4 when the Wraith were all fighting each other.
@@YoghurtKiss It could make a terrifying villain. At least a season, maybe 2 or 3. How powerful were Wraith psychic abilities again? I know more than a solar system.
I like the idea that Wraith Queens didnt take their dna from humans, but ancients, given their powers. Then the commanders came from humans, and the drones, obviously, come from the queen, and are thus what ever they are. Explains why the drug to transform the wraith works on the commanders and drones, but not on the queens, as theyre too ancient for it to work on.
The entire premis of atlantis os some humans have a genetic code only found in aincients which letsnthem use aincient tech so it make the entire premis fall apart
When could this have happened? Well sadly thay cannot have one last Bal-Clone get thrue the gate to Atlantis. so it would need to be some none System Lord Goa'uld. Perhaps a wraith clone was made from a DNA sample recoverd from Atlantis after its return to Earth, given the research perhaps the host is a more human looking hybrid than Michael to hide better going from world to world.(think of a far traveling serial killer feeding on lots of worlds, wile also trying not to kill or get caught.) A methodical long term planer with far less ego.
my complaint is simple. if someone like the young man from movie- first episode, jacks kid that grew up. ... i forget his name but. if he can fight back against the goulds control. even for short time. i would have to assume especially a queen wraith of age. especially one thats been around thousands of years. would have 0 problem staying in control of its own body. you may say Goauld would torture the wraith. well wraith is telepathic to and could do the same. so who wants it more?
You said about problems with naqadah, but original Goa'ulds from their's home planet didn't had the element in the system, and Wraiths have human ancestors so it should be highly probable to Wraiths be possibile as a hosts
Interesting concept :D Biology: *Mentally speaking: If they can take over Adria they can take over a Wraith. Adria's powers are beyond that of a single Wraith, as she is pushed to the edge of mental abilities. *Physically speaking: The Gould's seem to be able to posses any species with a big enough size and complex physiology, with the exception of a single "human"-race, with a mutation. So probably most if not all wraith can be taken over unless all or a certain 'line' of wraith has a biological defence. (Like a anibody or just completely differnt biology.) Chemically: Well of course if Goulds can only take over carbon lifeforms, and the wraith are different from that, there might be an issue. However since wraith use CO2, and I never heard Beckett mention otherwise, it's safe to say they are carbon-based. :) Just my 2 cents.
The only thing that makes me question if it's possible is that the Wraith are silicon based lifeforms (don't remember which episode stated this, but I do remember that it happened), and everything we've seen the Goa'uld encounter have been carbon based lifeforms.... I'm not sure a parasite could thrive in that kind of environment...
vanity is the hallmark of goa'uld culture post unas era, they do not want to inhabit 'ugly' creatures they choose attractive humans and parade around half naked. this was highlighted in the very first episode of SG1
Nice video. Thanks for including the uncanon informations from the extended merchandise products. It is a shame that no Goa'uld Ha'tak ever arrived to Pegasus galaxy or a normal Wraith Hive could be hidden in the Milky Way. The whole distance is "only" 3 weeks flyinb with Asgard tech, but they could easily make it within a few months as sarcophagus or the sleeping chamber could maintain a Goa'uld host or a Wraith Queen.
Teal'c said something like other species being used I doubt that an Asgard was taken by Ra, I think it was one of the other' species, besides it would open up more story possibilities
I always thought that the reason Goa'uld didn't take Jaffa as hosts wasn't because they couldn't but rather because their lack of a immune system without a symbiote already inside of them means keeping the Jaffa body alive would be extremely taxing on the Goa'uld in control. Also if they did have a symbiote inside, whose to say it might not try to rebel by leaving the safety of the pouch at the first chance it gets of gaining its own host, or perhaps causing other problems for the Goa'uld in the brain.
assuming a Goa'uld could survive entering a queen ... if it entered a fully mature queen, given the already set cannon that a simple strong will can effect them and that a mature queen is not only vary extreamly strong will, she is telepathically so. I believe that not only would the Goa'uld not be able to control the queen .... the queen would in fact take control of the Goa'uld . gleening its memories and knowledge as well as combining its healing abilities with her own makeing her vary formitible and especialy hard to kill, even for a raithe of a Goa'uld individualy.
I feel like if a goa'uld could take over a wraith and the wraith can't give them what it want it would probably just return to its old way of ruling over humans an jaffa. You don't need to look human to pose as a human. And a wraith body would probably be a big upgrade over a human body.
If the merge is easy and without any bad side effects I could even see powerful goa'uld holding skirmishes into wraith territory for that sweet wraith body.
Weren't the Go'auld living naturally in the the waters of Chakka's planet naquata free? So a Wraith could be accidentally infected, or a Go'auld with a host could use them intentionally knowing about the Wraith reaction to naquata.
My theory was Wraith have a far more powerful mind. It would be a battle of the mind, which wouldn't last long and the Wraith would kill the goa'uld with a single thought.
Depends a wraith can have the best mind a goa'uld IS in Control IT is in Control of the bodies movement, also what can BE scary goa'uld can create Wraith Jaffa improving their Skill taken over Wraith hosts
There was a whole town of Goa-uld that had no detectable naqueada in Nightwalkers #605. Side effect is they really could only control the host when they were sleeping, but we know that Wraith do go dormant between cullings.
That wasn't a result of the lack of naqueada though. When Jackson got kidnapped by the Unas, it was discovered the planet they were on had entire lakes filled with symbiotes. Two of the team trying to find Daniel wound up taken as hosts. Carter was there, but she could not detect the symbiotes since they lacked naquaeda, which wasn't present on the planet. The two symbiotes were able to exert control even awake.
Even if the Wraith's life absorption abilities could not feed the Goa'uld, the Wraith could simply eat foods the symbiote would like for the "pleasure" of it and the snake would be just fine.
Considering how Unas were often used as hosts and they are physically comparable to Wraith drones at least, the main stumbling point for taking a Wraith as a host I think, like many others, is their Hive mind and willpower. One of the Tok'Ra said that humans of Earth have not had their willpower whittled down my generations of enslavement which might influence the symbiote in subtle ways. Strong willed humans have been known to fight control in small ways. One other thing that I don't think someone's thought about, is that IF a Wraith Queen is taken as a host, wouldn't any drones they create afterwards, have access to the symbiote's genetic memory as well? That would cause any number of other issues.
@YoghurtKiss I wouldn't think so. Least not for big soldier drones. I'd guess that a Queen would place a certain level of instinctual knowledge in each Wraith. Soldiers get enough to be good soldiers while Todd and others like him have much more overall to serve as a leadership caste. Then, taking into account how Shar'e had a baby while a host and it had the Goa'Uld's genetic memory, then it's not a stretch to think that if a Wraith Queen as a host could have to same thing happen. But then again, symbiotes can choose not to pass their knowledge to offspring as well. There's a lot of wiggle room here.
I remember a scene in season 1 where Teal'c explains that if he failed to remove the symbiote before it fully matured it would take over his mind. So in a way, I think the Jaffa could be taken as a full host. It would have been interesting had Atlantis explored a Goa'uld taking a Wraith as a host.
We even had a perfect opportunity for it to happen when Col. Caldwell was under the influence of the Trust Goauld. He could've brought 5 symbiotes with him to the Pegasus galaxy that were spread far and wide before he was discovered.
Im not saying NO im just saying The Wraith are more in control of their senses - A Wraith is an infected human with augmented mental abilities assuring the host does not die in pain , while they are being eating ( aged ) - Being infected , the wraith body may not be suited for a fragile goauld snake - Wraith s brain are a bit more developed . They can create inter stellar war vesals as the Goauld only confiscated them and are primitive by design -The only way that this could work is if The Wraith are all asleep and the goauld takes the host asleep , then he ll have full control and it would be a nightmare
Because of this video, I had to get the Apocalypse books. Currently on the 10th chapter of first book . But for sure, we need to see more of the different races used by the Goaulds !
While i do think a goa uld could use the wraith telepathie, i dont think he could ever be able to fool the other wraith for an extended period of time. Like we know goa uld have struggled to control strong willed individuals before and wraith are pretty strong willed, plus their telepathy is innate to their race AND culture, unlike the humans wo basically get it "artifically installed". so aside from maybe drones no wraith would be so easily controlled
I've always speculated that one of the critical reasons apart from to preserve earth and the many trillions of Humans in the milky-way, was to keep the Wraith away from the Goa'uld, I'd imagine the Wraith would have full control over the Goa'uld, the Wraith would gain full access to the Goa'uld genetic memory. This would most likely change that Wraiths way of thinking for ever, essentially accidently blending the Goa'uld Traits into its own, it would turn a Wraith servent into a rouge Wraith, potentially severing its ties with the Hive-mind or taking control of it entirely, This Wraith would then innovate technology to best its own kind, Wraith would learn of Goa'uld healing devices and never have to feed, Would learn of Goa'uld shielding including Personal shielding, this Wraith would be a 1 man army. Imagine the Wraith with the ability to boosts its already excellent healing by taking control of the Symbiote, that mixed with the all mindset changes, tactics, technology, longevity. Even Bra'tak would fear such a foe.
@gateworld goa'uld's naturally didnt have naquadah in their blood, this was a change that happened by some relatively unexplained process. This is explained in a few episodes. former old system lords born before finding earth didnt have it, that episode where a goa'uld tricks the free jaffa into making him their leader and Tal'c drinks the kool-aid for over half the episode mentions it I think, the one where SG1 spends the entire episode trying to convince the jaffa to use earth weapons. episode is titled "the warrior in season 5. You also have a few other passing mentions about how it was an acquired trait. i believe the episode about the cloned symbiotes that took over an entire town to build a ship also mentioned it.
How about a Wraith taking the life force of Goa'uld? Would the combination of human and Goa'uld be more "tasty" to a Wraith? Would it provide more energy? What if the Wraith look upon the Goa'uld as a delicacy and hunt them down?
I think some of them would have made the attempt by abducting Wraith test subjects, if the Goa'uld were still at the height of their power, due to their obsession with finding or making the perfect host. I don't think they would have made the attempt to take over the Wraith though, maybe infiltrate them to steal as much of their technology and figure out how to destroy them at most. Then again it depends on which Goa'uld is in power, I don't think Anubis would have cared much about the Wraith with his experiments to create a copy of himself so he could ascend without the strings attached. Others like Nirrti would have wanted to get her hands on some for experiments towards making a perfect host others, I think were more obsessed with the status quo and gaining more political and military power rather than worrying about changing host species when they have so many Humans and Unas to pick from already, not to say they would not try to steal Nirrti's research if it produced results but I don't think most of them would actively devote resources to research it themselves. The loss of the Goa'uld's military and political power with the full blown Jaffa rebellion and Earth and its allies efforts, however made it unviable resulting in their attempt to destroy Atlantis to cut the wraith off in the series since they already had too many enemies to deal with. Could they have succeeded in taking one or more as a host, think its possible but it would be a gamble for low ranking Goa'uld being forced to take them hosts, doubt any of the big name ones would have risked the process without decades of research proving they would not die in the attempt.
One possible hole in your theory: the Wraith are genetically predispositioned to feed off the life of other (presumably humanoid) lifeforms. If a Go'auld came in contact with a Wraith of any kind, it is at least possible if not probable that the Wraith would at least try to "feed off of" the Go'auld even if the symbiote were already inside. indeed, if the symbiote were inside the Wraith, this may make it captive of the Wraith. The Wraith may have the power to drain both life and knowledge out of the symbiote. The symbiote may be able to fight back, but it could be a standoff, leading to either the Wraith-Go'auld hybrid being incapacitated or the symbiote needing to seek escape from the host. It is possible that the Wraith may have more power in this relationship, but that both organisms would wind up injuring each other more than anything else. The end result may be crippling conflict and chaos, and may result in both either dying, being fatally incapacitated by sickness, or even madness and suicide. I believe the relationship between symbiote and Wraith host would be mutually toxic. If a Go'auld could gain control over a Wraith, even for a short period of time, it could use the Wraith host to drain all knowledge, free a captive human, clone the symbiote with artificially-rapid-matured symbiotes, then kill the Wraith host and infect a human to escape with full Wraith knowledge. A Go'auld could also infect the new human host with Wraith DNA, giving the symbiote telepathic access to the Wraith without their knowledge. The symbiote-infected human could escape a Wraith ship in a Wraith dart ship, then take the cloned symbiotes (Ba'al-style) and create a small colony of human-Wraith-hybird Jaffa or even mature-symbiote hosts to form a small but superior fighting force. If these fugitives were able to attack a Wraith hive with sufficient strength, they could either kill or conquer the hive and use it as a their own mothership. The Go'auld could arguably be in better position than Earth-humans to get control of Wraith technology and instigate a Wraith civil war. This may seem unusually clever and industrious for the normally imperious Go'auld, but keep in mind that the System Lords are addicted to the sarcophagus technology which causes their meglomania. If a Go'auld spent time away from that addiction and overcame withdrawal, it's possible they may become a more aggressive and clever fighting force. A small but potent force of Pegasus-Galaxy humans, infected with Wraith DNA and Go'auld symbiotes, properly armed and using guerilla tactics and espionage, should be able to cause enough mischief to keep the Wraith off-balance and in a state of self-destructive civil war while the Go'auld tried to find ways to wipe out the Wraith (bio-warfare? cyber-warfare?) with a view toward killing off the Wraith and taking over the Wraith empires throughout the Pegasus Galaxy. This would be very similar to what the Go'auld did over many thousands of years, first to the First Ones (Unas), then to Earth-derived humans and Ancients. Or. think of it this way: imagine a force like the Genii, but with Go'auld abilities and technology and the ambition to learn and aggressively acquire the ability to overcome the Wraith. Even if the Go'auld-Wraith blending would not be harmonious, if it worked at all, then industrious Go'auld possessing Pegasus humans could quickly gain the upper hand on unsuspecting Wraith. And if the Go'auld could eventually find ways to overcome the Wraith's abilities to feed and control humans (possibly by using DNA manipulation to empower their hosts and make them both resistant and more lethal to the Wraith; like what Nirrti was doing with the hok'taur), these Go'auld-infected Pegasus humans could be a very formidable force even if only limited in number. Go'auld having to live without their empires and without ready access to a sarcophagus would learn to adapt and fight back very quickly.
If Ra could take over an Asgard for many years and Ba'al could take over Adria even if only for a limited time I'm sure they'd have no problem taking over a Wraith permanently. But the question is, would they want to? Ra specifically states that humans make perfect hosts for them.
There was one episode of sg1 where there were gou'ald were in a lake and teal'c and Carter couldn't sense them because they didn't have any naquida in their blood so gou'ald without naquida could take over a wraith
One point you made about the Gaul'ald using wraith feeding abilities, if I'm not mistaken, isn't it mentioned in the series a few times that Gaul'ald hosts don't need to feed? Once they take possession of the host, doesn't the Gaul'ald manipulate the host's metabolism to make the host self sufficient/self sustaining? Or was that a different symbiote species that does that? Or would it not work that way for wraith, because their metabolism is too different?
I think, it would do more harm to the Goa'uld than it would do any good ... Goa'uld society is build on using slaves and intrigues. Wraith are more simple than that. They use people as food ... If the Goa'uld were to take over the Wraith, they would be on each others throats pretty fast. They have such big egos and would kill each other to get the most feeding ground ... But that would benefit the human Pegasus inhabitants, tho. No fear of being the Wraith food anymore.
It might depend a lot on how Wraith feeding work and if its connected to their immune system in any way. In such way wraith would be immune to bacterial and parasitic infections. This would include macro parasites like Goa'uld.
I think a Goa'uld breeding queen like Hathor merging with a Wraith hive queen would be a very scary thought indeed. Just imagine the Wraith queen creating an army of drone warriors, each one turned into Wraith/Jaffa with the Goa'uld queen providing them with larvae to augment their physical strength and durability. Meanwhile the Wraith/Goa'uld queen herself will gain the powerful psychic and telekinetic powers of a Wraith queen while also have naquadah flowing through her veins, allowing them access to Goa'uld technology like the Kara Kesh, while also becoming an even more intimidating presence to their subordinates and human worshipers with her booming voice and glowing eyes. However I am not certain if even the strongest Goa'uld would be able to overcome the powerful psychic mind of a Wraith queen (yet alone master this ability), at least not without a lot of effort on their part. Ba'al for example claimed the Tok'ra didn't have what it takes to force control over a host as powerful as Adria (although he may have been lying). Also we were never shown him being able to use any of her powers though he probably might have been able to if he was given enough time in her body. However what if instead of a Goa'uld trying to hijack the mind of a powerful Wraith queen, a Wraith queen consents to having a Goa'uld implant themselves into her and together they have a symbiotic relationship. I know it sounds crazy but just imagine. Let's say after Ba'al's demise in Continuum, another once powerful Goa'uld warlord (who also happens to be a breeding queen) flees to the Pegasus galaxy, taking with her whatever is left of her Jaffa, slaves, Goa'uld underlings and as much naquadah as she can carry. As she explores this strange new galaxy she comes across a heavily battered hive ship and makes contact with their queen. The two respective queens meet and we find out that this Wraith queen is in a contentious power struggle against her rivals and is losing badly. So then the two queens have a meeting and eventually after the Wraith queen mind melds with her Goa'uld counterpart, they decide to literally (and figuratively) unite as one. What happens next is the Goa'uld queen leaves her human host and enters into the Wraith queen's body. Now as one being with their forces and technology combined, they set out to defeat the other Wraith hive ships and deal with the Atlantis expedition, while also making plans to dominate the galaxy.
There was that alien bug from the episode that SG1 and that Russian Team were inside that Ziggerat where they found a sarcophagus that had a Gould locked inside with a giant man eating bug.
i feel like the wraiths mental/psychic abilities would in the very least give the goa'uld a very difficult time to take over, if not match or overpower the goa'uld mind
What I think would be interesting is if there was an alternate timeline where at least some of the System Lords escaped to Pegasus, and upon meeting the Wraith, they attempt to do to them what they did with The Trust, just on a galactic scale.
I don't see why a Goa'uld could not inhabit a Wraith given their similarities to Humans, though that part about the invading Goa'uld killing the Wraith if it does so due to Naquada being toxic to them if it is in their bloodstream is interesting, I like this idea as it fits in nicely with with how nasty unforseen side effects of overpowered things made them unfeasable as long term plot devices. E.G. The Attero Device, Project Arcturus, Sudan cloaking devices. There may be a slight problem with one taking a Wraith however and that is their pyschic abilities, to paraphrase Rodney McKay in a certain episode with the Azurans I do not think it would take them long to realise that another player has, "joined the game". After all, they did sense Teyla when she first connected to them from the infirmary and they were able to speak through her and even control her body for a short time before Carson rendered her unconscious. I think the same thing would happen if a Goa'uld took one, it would be spotted very quickly by the others just like Teyla was.
The question would be if the Goa'uld would feed or try to get their hands on a sarcophagus which would be interesting to see if it would be better than just feeding and how the other Wraith would respond to such a thing.
In the first episode of Atlantis they mentioned the Ancients discovering a weakness of The Wraith but they never said what it was but it seemed like they were setting it up in the story arc to be saltwater is there any more info on this
I recently rewatched "Rising" but I don't remember this line. Not likely to be saltwater, though -- Stargate's writers were rather "salty" toward that particular alien vulnerability in the Shayamalan movie "Signs," thus the gym scene with Carter tearing it apart in SG-1's "Orpheus."
My head cannon is that it would not be able to take control of a queen but would be able to control typical wriath. Similar reason to why the Queen is not effected by the de-wraithing drug
wasnt Ra basicly a Grey Man alien, so not a human or a Unas? He looked like a boiy/ung man right uptil just before hios ship kinda of deciced that its atomes didnt wnt to hang around with each other anymore when we got a quick flash of the Grey Man - or was that just the "thought" of what a Gua'old was then?
I thought the Goa'uld only went power mad and other negative traits by extended use of the sarcophagus with the regenerative abilities of a wraith the Goa'uld wouldn't need to use one and wouldn't necessarily give away it's taken one as a host by building an empire although would other wraith even notice as they wraith queen's are highly territorial and aggressive anyway
I'm thinking of a Wraith Hiveship with Goa'uld shields. Sure, the shields are probably not as strong, but it's another layer of defense and an advantage over other Wraith ships. And even if they learn that the Queen is a Goa'uld, the promise of many humans only for themselves if they let her live to give them more tech is too much to let it go.
Firstly, I'll definitely have to take a look at those books mentioned in the video. Secondly, this is silly a plot point I would love to see if the power is the Powers that bring back staggered
I know it's been a while since anybody's added to this subject, but here I go. The one thing that would, in my mind, possibly prevent a Goa'uld from taking a Wraith host is based upon the very origins of the Wraith. My reason here is that the Wraith were created when humans were infected by a parasitic insectoid species. In my mind, a Goa'uld taking a Wraith host please open the possibility of the new parasitic organism being itself overcome by the same infection which created the Wraith species in the first place. I could see the Goa'uld are there being rejected out right, or instead itself being converted into a Wraith-like version of itself. This new parasite might possibly be halter to the point where it is no longer independent in thinking in the greater Wraith Hive structures. This being the case, you would be unwise for a Goa'uld to make such a joining with any Wraith that wasn't a queen, and thus at the height of a hive hierarchy and so being capable of independence from the rest of the hive.
A question I have is, would the wrath win simply win the fight for the body? They might just vampire the goauld inside of their body, or their natural healing factor and immune system could very well just kill the goauld.
Goa'uld could take Wraith as a host, because it presntes a new threat that's very cool and fans would love it. It would make for a great arch, possibly even a long term villain like Micheal. It's simple as that.
What you have forgotten is the wraith being descended from the bug may still have the genetic ability to co-opt DNA into itself or even to take over as in the case of Shepard when he was bitten by the bug.
As far as we know they do have naquadah in their blood, as this was part of the Goa'uld evolution long before the Tok'ra movement split off 2,000 years ago.
The greatest sin of Stargate Atlantis is we got 5 seasons but never saw this happen
The greatest sin of Atlantis is that we did not get 10 seasons!
The greatest sin was the show we got after Atlantis lmao
this yes.. would have been amazing
Hahaha🤪🫶
it was sad seeing the expedition to Atlantis without any Tok'Ra or Free Jaffa auxiliaries.
Goa'uld have been known struggle at controlling strong willed hosts, such as the case with Skaara. I'm fairly certain that a Wraith would be mentally resistant, especially when connected to their telepathic network.
The best scenario for a Goa'uld would be to form a true symbiotic relationship a Wraith. Similar to what the Tok'ra have with their human hosts.
Considering they have similar goals, and the access to technology/genetic memory I could see the wraith agreeing to this joining. Considering it aint a drone.
You mean worst scenario 😳
That team up is terrifying
I think it would be difficult but not impossible for a powerful Goa'uld mind to control most Wraith, however there is zero chance that a Goa'uld would be satisfied within being a bit player in such a strict hierarchy, so if they were to exist within Goa'uld society they would seek to take a queen as a host. Given how powerful the minds of Wraith queens are, I doubt even the most powerful Goa'uld could keep them under control.
However there is a way they might be able to have their cake an eat it - a way for even the weakest Goa'uld to inhabit the body of a Wraith queen: create the host using the same technology Anubis used to create his Kull warriors, resulting in a queen without a mind to control.
That said, there is still another potential flaw to the plan. When Teyla Emmagan masqueraded as a queen in SGA S05E08 "The Queen", she did so for a relatively short period of time - and it had to be short to avoid the possibility of her being identified by the other Wraith. For a Goa'uld to exist at the pinnacle of Wraith society for millennia they would have to go entirely undetected - which is a problem given the Wraith's telepathic network. Therefore I think a Goa'uld who has taken a Wraith (even a queen) as their host would be wise to avoid the Wraith entirely.
@@matthewal9545 Doubt they would cooperate at that level. Remember when they turned Michael human? The other wraith thought of him as dirty because of it. Similarly, the wraith were not too keen on taking the retrovirus to allow them to eat normal food.
I feel like wraith would have a similar reaction to blending that sg1 did when they first heard about it.
@@tavdy79 I agree with you but I think the only possible solution would be for that goauld queen to just build her own hive from scratch. A whole hive full of goauld wraiths. My God.
From a social standpoint, given the wraith's telepathic abilities, if they managed to take possession, I think they'd need to either A: Be very open about what they are, or B: Abandon wraith territory and set up shop somewhere outside their influence because the queens will detect them thus making keeping the secret difficult. I don't see masquerading working out well for them.
imagine a Goa'uld Take a Wraith as Host you thought Anubis was powerful he's a wet fart compared the Goa'uld that has a wraith host that's the moment you know your fucked
Could a Wraith Queen detect a Goa'uld possessed Wraith or any Goa'uld possessed being with her telepathy?
I personally think so, maybe it would take a short while but imo she'd find out eventually, even if the goa uld "plays" his part perfectly.
I believe so, however this would just suggest that masquerading as a normal wraith would be more difficult. There are other issues about taking possession, however I don't think this is one of them.
And can Wraith ascend 🤔
queens rarely meet in person and only queens have full telepathy
Great topic! I always wondered why they didn't make an episode with a Goa'uld taking a Wraith as a host, I mean the wraith are literally immortal as long as they feed and have not just superhuman strength but also psychic abilities, a total paradise for a Goa'uld. Just imagine what a beast that would be though
I expected a season of it
For the same reason they stopped infesting Unas. The Goa’uld prefer “good looking” hosts, and their beauty standards are pretty close to human beauty standards.
@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 *You’ve replied to everyone’s comment, what not getting the attention you’re seeking⁉️* 😮
@@jeffdavis5723 maybe they just love Stargate. I can’t blame them ❤
I feel like they would be incompatible in the beginning where all the wraiths would realize that one of their own was infected with a goauld and seek to destroy it. But after being convinced and sweet talked,they would fall in line with their new goauld wraith leader.
A Goa'uld _might_ be able to take on a Wraith host, but they wouldn't last very long in the body before the body was destroyed. Since Wraith Queens are telepathic they'd be able to sense the duality of minds within the host and immediately know something was fishy. But I'll do you one better. Could a Replicator replicate a Goa'uld (like they did with humans) and take on a human host?
no.
edit imo goulds i guess tie into the nerve system. control that way.... but if they can influence dreams as we seen them do etc they got telepathy of their own as well. something i never seen the machines have. they may look the part. and beable to control human etc like a remote control would. but to fully blend and co-exist as the goulds do. no.............although they did put everyone in that dream state....... on thors planet and other times ofc. hand in head trick. u trap the human in lala land. and the replicator would have full control...... maybe in time learn to at least fake emotions? so hmm more i think about it i guess given time and so on.
I don't see why not, if they studied the Goa'uld physiology extensively enough and were able to manipulate or completely change the genetic memory to parts of their own knowledge. Since Anubis managed to ascend with the help of Oma Desala, maybe this way the (copied) minds of the Replicators could do it too (given enough time), truly matching their creators in the last possible way.
I wonder if Anubis could have taken control of a Wraith Queen since he was party ascended and had additional powers in his arsenal.
@@barbiquearea I actually think that a wraith and by that i mean a wraith queen would probably be an ideal host for Anubis as their ability to feed and heal themselves would work as a good counter to Anubis’ sort of life stealing nature where he degraded and killed his hosts over time and needed the special shield to stay in one host he might not need that shield with a wraith host
Not only the healing but he would have access to their hive mind and as a partially ascended being he may even be able to influence the hive mind after taking over especially something like a queen where the other in general are already compelled to serve
Anubis could become like the one true queen or something
@@barbiquearea If he (is that right for a Goa'uld?) was returned to a normal Goa'uld form then yeah I think he would have a good shot of taking a Wraith and even a queen. He wasn't entirely a corporeal entity on return though, more of a cloud of energy that could barely interact with the physical universe and as such I doubt he could take any host but also no longer needed one and was in a way more powerful anyway. Just remembered he might actually as the episode he is out of his suit thingy and could posess people/make them a temp host so maybe actually but not for long as a Wraith queen would be way more resistant than a normie human. been awhile seems I need to rewatch SG1, oh no lol
If Anubis managed acension again (likey not possible due to the Ancients just blocking him) and was sent back again I reckon he would gain enough additional knowledge to overcome the lack of a form issue and take anyone/anything as a host as his cloud form and be able to hang on to Asgard or wraith hosts but might take a few tries to grip a queen and therefore her entire hive.
In one episode Teal'c says "if I can't secure a new one, I will eventually be taken over by my mature symbiote" so it is possible for a jaffa to be a host since they're mostly human
True but I think its more of a means of last resort than choosing a desirable host for a symbiote to take control of their Jaffa. This is because Jaffa lack an immune system, so for a fledgling young Goa'uld to take over the body of their host, it would be extremely taxing for them to keep the Jaffa's body healthy.
@@barbiquearea no doubt it is but it is possible
@@barbiquearea I don't understand what point you're trying to make about immune systems being a problem? The infant is already acting as the immune system and from what we see of the tokra they continue providing some if not all of the immune system into adulthood. I would also assume that you would want a suppressed or non-existent immune system so that it doesn't attack the Symbiote. Maybe there is some other reason they are undesirable. Look at the unas for example, they fell out of fashion for some reason.
@@matthewfrost3677 According to Ra, humans were preferred because their bodies were easier to repair. At the time, I thought he meant it was easier for the symbiote to repair. Later on in the series we find out humans were a better match for the sarcophagus to repair because humans more closely match Ancient physiology.
@@tomwhone9804 Never made that connection to the Sarcophagus being the repair he was talking to but yeah that makes sence
Did anyone see David Hewlett in the new Netflix series Guillermo_del_Toro&Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities? It was great seeing him again on the screen. I also saw him in the Apple series "See" with a little Stargate Atlantis reunion with Jason Momoa and Joe Flanigan.
One issue you missed is that Hathor says the Queen needs Dna from the intended host species or symbiotes can fail to blend properly. So that significantly worsens the odds from the get go
Wasn't that more about making sure the species of Jaffa was best suited to serve as incubators for the larval symbiotes?
@@GateWorldDotNet I don't recall the exact phrasing she used but I am moderately sure it was about the host species.
@@jbz4788 You're right -- the transcript has Hathor saying: "In order to ensure compatibility for the Goa'uld child and the host."
We had so many questions concerning the Goa'uld and the Wraith. Like 1. With the Goa'uld sarcophagus, couldn't a single unwilling host be used as a food source over and over? Just have a Wraith drain them to the point of death, regenerate them and do it again. 2. Did we ever get to see a wraith Mothership up against a Ha'tak or a Deathglider against a Dart. This video was worth the watch, thank you for putting it together.
I think it's possible for a Goa'uld to use a sarcophagus to heal up a partially fed on human but a dead victim body is so decimated by the act of feeding there is little left to regenerate. Be like painting a dry-rotted board to make it strong and usable again. Looking at the fully fed on humans there's no fluids left in the body all the cells and possibly the DNA is destroyed. It'd be like trying to resurrect a 1000 year old mummy, just nothing to work with.
Better yet can't a Wraith use a sarcophagus to forgo draining humans for sustenance?
Considering that the wraith and their ships took on ancients, even if massivly outclassed, i think hataks would go boom.
Same with gliders vs darts.
Like a dart fits into a gate while a glider doesnt, so since the glider shoot from two canons on his wings can he even hit a dart, lol?
Thats what i wonder
@@hulmhochberg8129 There was an episode where Bratak had uncovered an old glider that was designed to fly through a gate but it was very hard to fly only the best pilots could fly it so they dropped the design.
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I'd assume that glider staff weapons are mounted to allow for convergence. It'd be stupid not to on a fighter like that.
Really depends on how the hive mind works, I suspects that they should be able to tell. In that case the Goa'uld would be hunted down quickly. It would put up a good fight however since it is most likely very hard to kill having the healing combo of both species. I would have loved to have seen this. A Wraith/Goa'uld being hunted down, jumping hosts when it's body is out of energy etc.
If it can hide I do agree that it should be able to take over a queen. Then is the question if it can upgrade the capabilities with it's knowledge of different kind of technology. I doubt the increase would be much, but it might be enough to give it an edge against other queens. All will depend on the character of the Goa'uld, can it be patient enough to play a long game, since it is more of less immortal now? How are it's tactical abilities? etc
As a huge Stargate fan, I've actually never considered that possibility.
I'd say no.
I feel like the wraith psychic network might reject the goa'uld. Or what if the symbiote couldn't take advantage of the wraith's feeding process, then they'd just be dead end hosts. But I bet Nirti would loooooove to have some wraith to experiment on.
Could you just reject the psionic link tho?
But that psychic link isn’t always active, and has range limits, so that’s not really a factor. Now, the fact that Wraith have powerful minds might mean a Wraith would be able to resist its own Goa’uld symbiote, but I don’t think the psychic link would play a part.
Lucky for us as a species that Nirrti isn’t around to incorporate Wraith into her Hok’tar experiments, then… 😅
_(Looks at Cassandra’s whole civilisation)_
-- Ok, Wraith psychic network might reject the Goa'uld, sure.
and if it didn't, what if the Goa'uld could use it to their advantage? instead of taking one Wraith, Would they be able to take them all? 'o.O
@@Magpie_Media Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the intended plot of _Stargate: Extinction_ involved a massive-scale clash between the Goa’uld and Wraith, forcing multiple factions and civilisations usually at odds to band together in an effort to eradicate them both.
Would it be tenuous at best for the Tau’ri, Tok’ra, Free Jaffa Nation, Lucian Alliance, Genii, and Vanir to stand together against two Big Bad civilisations who couldn’t be stopped in the decamillennia prior to the plot-relevant turmoil? Probably, but it wouldn’t be impossible, right? 🤷🏻♂️
Don't forget there are large numbers of symbiotes that do not have naquaeda in their systems at all. In the episode where Jackson was kidnapped by the Unas, two hosts were taken by symbiotes native to the planet. Carter could not tell that the symbiotes were present due to the fact that they had no naqueada in their bodies, as it was not native to their homeworld.
The second issue is the Wraith hive mind. As far as we know, the Goauld have no experience dealing with hiveminds. If they are not able to mask their presence, any infected host would almost certainly be destroyed, having been seen as a threat. I am willing to bet the lieutenants wouldn't even serve an infected queen.
So assuming they can bond to Wraith physiology, the only real plan the Goauld would have would be to capture a hive and all its crew, and then bring the ship to their ancestral homeworld (if they even remember it) and use the large number of naqueada free symbiotes there to infect the entire hive simultaneously.
The combination of Wraith biotechnology and Goauld technology would be pretty disastrous if it worked out though. Hives with shields and naqueada (or naquadria) power sources would be an overwhelming threat, to the uninfected Wraith, the Gaould that don't fall in line, and the Tauri. They would likely even pose a challenge to the Asgard, given that shields would enable them to survive more hits, and their thick hulls would be extremely difficult to penetrate before the advent of their plasma weaponry to fight the Ori. We see that hive ships can sustain many hits before detonating from other hives, and hive weapons press Tauri-Asgard shields pretty hard.
There are some questions better left unanswered! A Goa’uld with the healing powers, mind powers and speed of the Wraith? That sounds worse than the treat of the Ori 😂
We need the Orisi to become infected with Michaels gene-splicing, then have someone like Sokar take control of that body. That's a threat level beyond.
Love topics like this! ❤👍 It also says in SG1 that Jaffa were created to lower the risk of rejection when Goa’uld blend with a human hosts, so there is a chance both Goa’uld & Wraith could die during the process! In the storyline I think it’s definitely possible but a risk for the Goa’uld, even if he had a sarcophagus in reach!
Would love to see what would have happened if Ori would have decided to invade Pegasus instead of Milky Way. The people would have very excited to join Ori to get free from Wraith fear (praying to the Ori seems very small price for them). Wraith on the other hand would give good fight with their massive fleets and ability to adapt very quickly with new tech. That would have been amazing.
The wraith would tell Prior "yes, hallowed are the Ori and now let me feed on you."
With the Sekmet race, what if they were the “inspiration” for the Egyptian Goddess of the same name?
It would require an entire hive.
Somewhere in the galaxy, maybe there is a juvenate queen with minimal drones, stored away in suspended animation, a failsafe against genocide of the Wraith race.
Infecting them with gou'uld and then awakening them together, is how to get the parasites fused into the other parasites' hivemind.
Considering the Wraith are telepathic, I doubt the Goa’uld would survive for long if it took a drone first. Someone would realize something is up and kill it. Drones were noted to be basically animals without the hive mind. Also, what would the Wraith gain from this? All they’d find out is there are more places to feed on than earth. Which could mean exploratory runs on the Milky Way. Which if that was never brought up in the show, it’s doubtful the Wraith know there are more human worlds than Earth.
Wraith natural regeneration enhanced by Goa’uld regeneration…it would be impossible to kill it without some kinda bomb or something.
Or 3 zat shoot
It may be worthwhile to consider that after a goa'uld/Wraith bonding it would be the Wraith who is dominant and benefited. What if the Wraith invade the Milky Way galaxy not for humans to feed on, but symbiotes?
The Goa'uld could breed a Goa'uld-Wraith hybrid. Then use the hybrid as a host
That's right Hathor told Daniel Jackson that if a Goa'uld queen breeds with the body of a new host species, any offspring produced will be able to better control the new stock of hosts.
In one fanfic it had the Wraith deliberately take Goa'uld from dead Jaffa, as the Goa'uld couldn't control them, allowing the Wraith to have the advantages. It said that also increased the range of their telepathic abilities. It was interesting and seemed more fitting. Afterall, as they showed, many Goa'uld have managed to survive in different beings, but the Wraith telepathic network would be to quick to sense if they were able to be controlled, as others have pointed out.
Can you please share a link to that fic?
@@evanboll4651 I'll try to find it. I know it was on AO3 and a multiple crossover, involving Criminal Minds, Sentinal, CSI and NCIS at least, but most are explained enough. Criminal Minds is the biggest contribution. I think it's called something like Firestarter. I will try to link, but I had heard links dont do so well in comments
@@evanboll4651 The link wont paste, but it was Codename:Firestarter. Hopefully you'll find it ok. I went to the Stargate page, then added searched for Criminal Minds. It starts with the Wraith attacking Vegas.
I've been seriously thinking about this for years
On a similar topic: the fact that we never saw a Hatak Mothership fight agaisnt a Hiveship is very sad
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1 ha'tak would likely be destroyed as they were outmatched by BC-304, while BC-304's struggled against hiveships (only by lucky shot it was possible to destroy one). 1 hiveship vs multiple ha'taks? We dont really know how effective would ha'taks weapons be against hiveships which had good armor and were able to regenerate. I think if ha'tak crews knew where to aim they could surround it and one ship might hit the weakspots, but then again, could wraiths strengthen those weak points in future? Since their ships are biological, this seems not that hard to do.
I'd say one on one the mothership would do some damage if they caught them off guard. Once the Hiveship zeroed in on them they'd be fucked.
Ha'taks were honestly fodder ships by the time we were introduced to the Wraith. A Ha'tak vs a Hive Ship would be a joke of a fight, the Hive would annihilate the Ha'tak in the first salvo. A Wraith Cruiser would be a much better match, but I'd argue the Cruiser still has the advantage here.
2:50 That sounds weird to me. Even if the Wraith found Atlantis, why would they go to the milky way? They have no idea that there are any (and so many!) humans there.
Ehm...have you seen the show? Their entire goal was to reach Earth, because of the vast population of the milky way, since they got awakened by the humans
@@jupamoers According to the story earth was invaded by Apophis, this means they never made it to Atlantis, they never awakened the Wraith, and the Wraith never learned about the vast population of the milky way.
@@martinj3239 I'm talking about the tv show Stargate: Atlantis, which is definitely canon.
The books are not
@@jupamoers And you replied to my comment, which refers to a statement in the video that explicitly refers to the books.
Yes, considering only the canon show you're right. But this is not the subject.
@@martinj3239 yes I did. I wasn't paying attention to the timestamp you have mentioned, my bad :D
There was one race they couldn’t control Aris Boch’s species and he was humanoid.
The wrath can live for 10k years plus and feeds on humans.
My thought is, no. Wraith biology is far too different from other humanoids. And their much stronger mental abilities would reject the symbiote. Even some other humanoids with stronger mental abilities have been able to reject them. I think the Goa'uld could certainly try. But it would be like the Adria situation where it wouldn't stick and the Wraith mental abilities would reject it.
Wraith are derived from humans, and we know Goa'uld can take hosts different enough they don't even bleed the same color. I think it would be premature to dismiss the possibility out of hand.
Adria's symbiote was suppressed by an outside source so it could be removed, she didn't merely retake control. And if Adria can't simply overpower her symbiote I don't know who could. It seems to me that some kind of biological quirk must be required, but without knowing something about what that quirk is there's no way to predict if the wraith have it.
You need to rewatch the last few episodes of Stargate SG-1 Atria did not reject The goa'uld it was removed by the tokra so idk what ur on about
@@justinthompson6364 Wraith are not derived from humans. They are derived from iratus bugs, by adding a mix of Ancient DNA.
@@StormsparkPegasus Humans and ancients seem just about identical physiologically so that distinction honestly didn't even cross my mind. You are right about that much though.
But the second part is just semantics. I'd argue the wraith could be considered to be "derived" from both Ancient and Iratus bug, but the words don't really matter. The truth is they took on enough Ancient traits to resemble them more than the original Iratus bug, including at least one entire organ system they can't use.
Before start. I don't think so. Maybe a foot soldier masked one. Anyways... Since the Episode Vegas I can imagine a life ever lasting as a wraith. Eating a bank owner then making a cult..... Bit dark I know... :D
I think a Goa'uld Queen taking a Wraith Queen would be a threat on the same level of Khul warriors. Wraith Jaffa. That would be hard to put down and keep down. A hive even with a Goa'uld shield would tip most battles in favor of those who have it. Cruisers with cloaks.
This, honestly the scariest possibilities with a Goauld/Wraith combo, is the genetic memory of the parasite in question, and the ability to create Jaffa (that are wraith or Michaels wraith/human hybrids). Hyperdrives that are better. Cloaks, shields, the sarcaphagus technology. Hell the Goa'uld spent thousands of years 'cultivating' humans and could reinvent Wraith society specially if they came to the Pegasus galaxy during Season 3-4 when the Wraith were all fighting each other.
@@YoghurtKiss It could make a terrifying villain. At least a season, maybe 2 or 3. How powerful were Wraith psychic abilities again? I know more than a solar system.
I like the idea that Wraith Queens didnt take their dna from humans, but ancients, given their powers. Then the commanders came from humans, and the drones, obviously, come from the queen, and are thus what ever they are. Explains why the drug to transform the wraith works on the commanders and drones, but not on the queens, as theyre too ancient for it to work on.
This makes no sense hunabs are in cannon the closest related to aincient so this would have to aply to humans if aplied to wraith
The entire premis of atlantis os some humans have a genetic code only found in aincients which letsnthem use aincient tech so it make the entire premis fall apart
You should read the Legacy series
When could this have happened? Well sadly thay cannot have one last Bal-Clone get thrue the gate to Atlantis. so it would need to be some none System Lord Goa'uld. Perhaps a wraith clone was made from a DNA sample recoverd from Atlantis after its return to Earth, given the research perhaps the host is a more human looking hybrid than Michael to hide better going from world to world.(think of a far traveling serial killer feeding on lots of worlds, wile also trying not to kill or get caught.) A methodical long term planer with far less ego.
my complaint is simple. if someone like the young man from movie- first episode, jacks kid that grew up. ... i forget his name but. if he can fight back against the goulds control. even for short time. i would have to assume especially a queen wraith of age. especially one thats been around thousands of years. would have 0 problem staying in control of its own body. you may say Goauld would torture the wraith. well wraith is telepathic to and could do the same. so who wants it more?
His name was Skaara.
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Teyla is a human, who breifly takes control of hive queens with her mind.
You said about problems with naqadah, but original Goa'ulds from their's home planet didn't had the element in the system, and Wraiths have human ancestors so it should be highly probable to Wraiths be possibile as a hosts
Interesting concept :D
Biology:
*Mentally speaking: If they can take over Adria they can take over a Wraith. Adria's powers are beyond that of a single Wraith, as she is pushed to the edge of mental abilities.
*Physically speaking: The Gould's seem to be able to posses any species with a big enough size and complex physiology, with the exception of a single "human"-race, with a mutation. So probably most if not all wraith can be taken over unless all or a certain 'line' of wraith has a biological defence. (Like a anibody or just completely differnt biology.)
Chemically:
Well of course if Goulds can only take over carbon lifeforms, and the wraith are different from that, there might be an issue. However since wraith use CO2, and I never heard Beckett mention otherwise, it's safe to say they are carbon-based.
:) Just my 2 cents.
Actually Adria would overcome it eventually.... Would the Ori just let her to her own devices?
@@hokiturmix did i miss something here? did this actually happen in stargate Lore? im talking a bout a Gould taking over adria?
@@hokiturmix :D
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Didn't Ba'al manage the job until the Tok'ra seperated the both?
@@facetubetwit1444 Ba'al is the villain all movie needs...
RIP Cliff Simon.
The only thing that makes me question if it's possible is that the Wraith are silicon based lifeforms (don't remember which episode stated this, but I do remember that it happened), and everything we've seen the Goa'uld encounter have been carbon based lifeforms.... I'm not sure a parasite could thrive in that kind of environment...
vanity is the hallmark of goa'uld culture post unas era, they do not want to inhabit 'ugly' creatures they choose attractive humans and parade around half naked. this was highlighted in the very first episode of SG1
Nice video. Thanks for including the uncanon informations from the extended merchandise products.
It is a shame that no Goa'uld Ha'tak ever arrived to Pegasus galaxy or a normal Wraith Hive could be hidden in the Milky Way. The whole distance is "only" 3 weeks flyinb with Asgard tech, but they could easily make it within a few months as sarcophagus or the sleeping chamber could maintain a Goa'uld host or a Wraith Queen.
Teal'c said something like other species being used
I doubt that an Asgard was taken by Ra, I think it was one of the other' species, besides it would open up more story possibilities
They touched on that. It didn’t work. Because of the hive mind. The wraith considered the Gould a insect.
I always thought that the reason Goa'uld didn't take Jaffa as hosts wasn't because they couldn't but rather because their lack of a immune system without a symbiote already inside of them means keeping the Jaffa body alive would be extremely taxing on the Goa'uld in control. Also if they did have a symbiote inside, whose to say it might not try to rebel by leaving the safety of the pouch at the first chance it gets of gaining its own host, or perhaps causing other problems for the Goa'uld in the brain.
assuming a Goa'uld could survive entering a queen ... if it entered a fully mature queen, given the already set cannon that a simple strong will can effect them and that a mature queen is not only vary extreamly strong will, she is telepathically so. I believe that not only would the Goa'uld not be able to control the queen .... the queen would in fact take control of the Goa'uld . gleening its memories and knowledge as well as combining its healing abilities with her own makeing her vary formitible and especialy hard to kill, even for a raithe of a Goa'uld individualy.
I feel like if a goa'uld could take over a wraith and the wraith can't give them what it want it would probably just return to its old way of ruling over humans an jaffa. You don't need to look human to pose as a human. And a wraith body would probably be a big upgrade over a human body.
If the merge is easy and without any bad side effects I could even see powerful goa'uld holding skirmishes into wraith territory for that sweet wraith body.
It feels like the down side is they would have to feed constantly or as a twist a side effects is they would have to feed on other wreath
Weren't the Go'auld living naturally in the the waters of Chakka's planet naquata free? So a Wraith could be accidentally infected, or a Go'auld with a host could use them intentionally knowing about the Wraith reaction to naquata.
My theory was Wraith have a far more powerful mind. It would be a battle of the mind, which wouldn't last long and the Wraith would kill the goa'uld with a single thought.
Wraiths are the king of mind control. So No a Goau'ld can't take over the mind of a wraith
Depends a wraith can have the best mind a goa'uld IS in Control IT is in Control of the bodies movement, also what can BE scary goa'uld can create Wraith Jaffa improving their Skill taken over Wraith hosts
Todd is still the best Stargate character.
Absolutely!
There was a whole town of Goa-uld that had no detectable naqueada in Nightwalkers #605. Side effect is they really could only control the host when they were sleeping, but we know that Wraith do go dormant between cullings.
But that side effect was, because the symbiots were not mature
That wasn't a result of the lack of naqueada though. When Jackson got kidnapped by the Unas, it was discovered the planet they were on had entire lakes filled with symbiotes. Two of the team trying to find Daniel wound up taken as hosts. Carter was there, but she could not detect the symbiotes since they lacked naquaeda, which wasn't present on the planet. The two symbiotes were able to exert control even awake.
However if the raith can read minds they would detect a host before it could get to the Queen and the Queen would sence it along way off.
Even if the Wraith's life absorption abilities could not feed the Goa'uld, the Wraith could simply eat foods the symbiote would like for the "pleasure" of it and the snake would be just fine.
They can eat food but it's not sustaining enough for them to survive on
@@chrisedmund335 It seems like Wraith still have taste buds for some reason.
I been asking this for years.
Considering how Unas were often used as hosts and they are physically comparable to Wraith drones at least, the main stumbling point for taking a Wraith as a host I think, like many others, is their Hive mind and willpower. One of the Tok'Ra said that humans of Earth have not had their willpower whittled down my generations of enslavement which might influence the symbiote in subtle ways. Strong willed humans have been known to fight control in small ways.
One other thing that I don't think someone's thought about, is that IF a Wraith Queen is taken as a host, wouldn't any drones they create afterwards, have access to the symbiote's genetic memory as well? That would cause any number of other issues.
Are wraith drones imbued with the memory of the queen?
@YoghurtKiss I wouldn't think so. Least not for big soldier drones.
I'd guess that a Queen would place a certain level of instinctual knowledge in each Wraith. Soldiers get enough to be good soldiers while Todd and others like him have much more overall to serve as a leadership caste.
Then, taking into account how Shar'e had a baby while a host and it had the Goa'Uld's genetic memory, then it's not a stretch to think that if a Wraith Queen as a host could have to same thing happen.
But then again, symbiotes can choose not to pass their knowledge to offspring as well. There's a lot of wiggle room here.
I remember a scene in season 1 where Teal'c explains that if he failed to remove the symbiote before it fully matured it would take over his mind. So in a way, I think the Jaffa could be taken as a full host. It would have been interesting had Atlantis explored a Goa'uld taking a Wraith as a host.
We even had a perfect opportunity for it to happen when Col. Caldwell was under the influence of the Trust Goauld. He could've brought 5 symbiotes with him to the Pegasus galaxy that were spread far and wide before he was discovered.
Im not saying NO im just saying The Wraith are more in control of their senses
- A Wraith is an infected human with augmented mental abilities assuring the host does not die in pain , while they are being eating ( aged )
- Being infected , the wraith body may not be suited for a fragile goauld snake
- Wraith s brain are a bit more developed . They can create inter stellar war vesals as the Goauld only confiscated them and are primitive by design
-The only way that this could work is if The Wraith are all asleep and the goauld takes the host asleep , then he ll have full control and it would be a nightmare
Because of this video, I had to get the Apocalypse books. Currently on the 10th chapter of first book .
But for sure, we need to see more of the different races used by the Goaulds !
While i do think a goa uld could use the wraith telepathie, i dont think he could ever be able to fool the other wraith for an extended period of time.
Like we know goa uld have struggled to control strong willed individuals before and wraith are pretty strong willed, plus their telepathy is innate to their race AND culture, unlike the humans wo basically get it "artifically installed". so aside from maybe drones no wraith would be so easily controlled
The wraith are essentially an insectoid species. In previous SG episodes goa'ulds dont ussually bode well vs bugs, so ill argue no.
I've always speculated that one of the critical reasons apart from to preserve earth and the many trillions of Humans in the milky-way, was to keep the Wraith away from the Goa'uld, I'd imagine the Wraith would have full control over the Goa'uld, the Wraith would gain full access to the Goa'uld genetic memory. This would most likely change that Wraiths way of thinking for ever, essentially accidently blending the Goa'uld Traits into its own, it would turn a Wraith servent into a rouge Wraith, potentially severing its ties with the Hive-mind or taking control of it entirely, This Wraith would then innovate technology to best its own kind, Wraith would learn of Goa'uld healing devices and never have to feed, Would learn of Goa'uld shielding including Personal shielding, this Wraith would be a 1 man army. Imagine the Wraith with the ability to boosts its already excellent healing by taking control of the Symbiote, that mixed with the all mindset changes, tactics, technology, longevity.
Even Bra'tak would fear such a foe.
That would make a very dangerous Goa'uld?
@gateworld goa'uld's naturally didnt have naquadah in their blood, this was a change that happened by some relatively unexplained process. This is explained in a few episodes. former old system lords born before finding earth didnt have it, that episode where a goa'uld tricks the free jaffa into making him their leader and Tal'c drinks the kool-aid for over half the episode mentions it I think, the one where SG1 spends the entire episode trying to convince the jaffa to use earth weapons. episode is titled "the warrior in season 5. You also have a few other passing mentions about how it was an acquired trait. i believe the episode about the cloned symbiotes that took over an entire town to build a ship also mentioned it.
How about a Wraith taking the life force of Goa'uld? Would the combination of human and Goa'uld be more "tasty" to a Wraith? Would it provide more energy? What if the Wraith look upon the Goa'uld as a delicacy and hunt them down?
I think some of them would have made the attempt by abducting Wraith test subjects, if the Goa'uld were still at the height of their power, due to their obsession with finding or making the perfect host.
I don't think they would have made the attempt to take over the Wraith though, maybe infiltrate them to steal as much of their technology and figure out how to destroy them at most.
Then again it depends on which Goa'uld is in power, I don't think Anubis would have cared much about the Wraith with his experiments to create a copy of himself so he could ascend without the strings attached.
Others like Nirrti would have wanted to get her hands on some for experiments towards making a perfect host others, I think were more obsessed with the status quo and gaining more political and military power rather than worrying about changing host species when they have so many Humans and Unas to pick from already, not to say they would not try to steal Nirrti's research if it produced results but I don't think most of them would actively devote resources to research it themselves.
The loss of the Goa'uld's military and political power with the full blown Jaffa rebellion and Earth and its allies efforts, however made it unviable resulting in their attempt to destroy Atlantis to cut the wraith off in the series since they already had too many enemies to deal with.
Could they have succeeded in taking one or more as a host, think its possible but it would be a gamble for low ranking Goa'uld being forced to take them hosts, doubt any of the big name ones would have risked the process without decades of research proving they would not die in the attempt.
One possible hole in your theory: the Wraith are genetically predispositioned to feed off the life of other (presumably humanoid) lifeforms. If a Go'auld came in contact with a Wraith of any kind, it is at least possible if not probable that the Wraith would at least try to "feed off of" the Go'auld even if the symbiote were already inside. indeed, if the symbiote were inside the Wraith, this may make it captive of the Wraith. The Wraith may have the power to drain both life and knowledge out of the symbiote. The symbiote may be able to fight back, but it could be a standoff, leading to either the Wraith-Go'auld hybrid being incapacitated or the symbiote needing to seek escape from the host. It is possible that the Wraith may have more power in this relationship, but that both organisms would wind up injuring each other more than anything else. The end result may be crippling conflict and chaos, and may result in both either dying, being fatally incapacitated by sickness, or even madness and suicide. I believe the relationship between symbiote and Wraith host would be mutually toxic.
If a Go'auld could gain control over a Wraith, even for a short period of time, it could use the Wraith host to drain all knowledge, free a captive human, clone the symbiote with artificially-rapid-matured symbiotes, then kill the Wraith host and infect a human to escape with full Wraith knowledge. A Go'auld could also infect the new human host with Wraith DNA, giving the symbiote telepathic access to the Wraith without their knowledge. The symbiote-infected human could escape a Wraith ship in a Wraith dart ship, then take the cloned symbiotes (Ba'al-style) and create a small colony of human-Wraith-hybird Jaffa or even mature-symbiote hosts to form a small but superior fighting force. If these fugitives were able to attack a Wraith hive with sufficient strength, they could either kill or conquer the hive and use it as a their own mothership. The Go'auld could arguably be in better position than Earth-humans to get control of Wraith technology and instigate a Wraith civil war. This may seem unusually clever and industrious for the normally imperious Go'auld, but keep in mind that the System Lords are addicted to the sarcophagus technology which causes their meglomania. If a Go'auld spent time away from that addiction and overcame withdrawal, it's possible they may become a more aggressive and clever fighting force.
A small but potent force of Pegasus-Galaxy humans, infected with Wraith DNA and Go'auld symbiotes, properly armed and using guerilla tactics and espionage, should be able to cause enough mischief to keep the Wraith off-balance and in a state of self-destructive civil war while the Go'auld tried to find ways to wipe out the Wraith (bio-warfare? cyber-warfare?) with a view toward killing off the Wraith and taking over the Wraith empires throughout the Pegasus Galaxy. This would be very similar to what the Go'auld did over many thousands of years, first to the First Ones (Unas), then to Earth-derived humans and Ancients. Or. think of it this way: imagine a force like the Genii, but with Go'auld abilities and technology and the ambition to learn and aggressively acquire the ability to overcome the Wraith. Even if the Go'auld-Wraith blending would not be harmonious, if it worked at all, then industrious Go'auld possessing Pegasus humans could quickly gain the upper hand on unsuspecting Wraith. And if the Go'auld could eventually find ways to overcome the Wraith's abilities to feed and control humans (possibly by using DNA manipulation to empower their hosts and make them both resistant and more lethal to the Wraith; like what Nirrti was doing with the hok'taur), these Go'auld-infected Pegasus humans could be a very formidable force even if only limited in number. Go'auld having to live without their empires and without ready access to a sarcophagus would learn to adapt and fight back very quickly.
Symbiote takes iratus bug as host then feeds on wraith until it takes on the appearance. When mature, it moves into it's own head.
If Ra could take over an Asgard for many years and Ba'al could take over Adria even if only for a limited time I'm sure they'd have no problem taking over a Wraith permanently. But the question is, would they want to? Ra specifically states that humans make perfect hosts for them.
There was one episode of sg1 where there were gou'ald were in a lake and teal'c and Carter couldn't sense them because they didn't have any naquida in their blood so gou'ald without naquida could take over a wraith
One point you made about the Gaul'ald using wraith feeding abilities, if I'm not mistaken, isn't it mentioned in the series a few times that Gaul'ald hosts don't need to feed? Once they take possession of the host, doesn't the Gaul'ald manipulate the host's metabolism to make the host self sufficient/self sustaining? Or was that a different symbiote species that does that? Or would it not work that way for wraith, because their metabolism is too different?
I'm pretty sure there was a episode where a goa'uld was in a giant spider like creature. So I say it's entirely possible
I think, it would do more harm to the Goa'uld than it would do any good ... Goa'uld society is build on using slaves and intrigues.
Wraith are more simple than that. They use people as food ... If the Goa'uld were to take over the Wraith, they would be on each others throats pretty fast. They have such big egos and would kill each other to get the most feeding ground ... But that would benefit the human Pegasus inhabitants, tho. No fear of being the Wraith food anymore.
It might depend a lot on how Wraith feeding work and if its connected to their immune system in any way. In such way wraith would be immune to bacterial and parasitic infections. This would include macro parasites like Goa'uld.
I would have loved to see a series where they come together and we get to see all sorts of things play out.
I want to know if a Goa'uld could take a Borg as a host. How would the collective respond? Or could the Borg assimilate a Goa'uld host?
I think a Goa'uld breeding queen like Hathor merging with a Wraith hive queen would be a very scary thought indeed. Just imagine the Wraith queen creating an army of drone warriors, each one turned into Wraith/Jaffa with the Goa'uld queen providing them with larvae to augment their physical strength and durability. Meanwhile the Wraith/Goa'uld queen herself will gain the powerful psychic and telekinetic powers of a Wraith queen while also have naquadah flowing through her veins, allowing them access to Goa'uld technology like the Kara Kesh, while also becoming an even more intimidating presence to their subordinates and human worshipers with her booming voice and glowing eyes.
However I am not certain if even the strongest Goa'uld would be able to overcome the powerful psychic mind of a Wraith queen (yet alone master this ability), at least not without a lot of effort on their part. Ba'al for example claimed the Tok'ra didn't have what it takes to force control over a host as powerful as Adria (although he may have been lying). Also we were never shown him being able to use any of her powers though he probably might have been able to if he was given enough time in her body. However what if instead of a Goa'uld trying to hijack the mind of a powerful Wraith queen, a Wraith queen consents to having a Goa'uld implant themselves into her and together they have a symbiotic relationship. I know it sounds crazy but just imagine. Let's say after Ba'al's demise in Continuum, another once powerful Goa'uld warlord (who also happens to be a breeding queen) flees to the Pegasus galaxy, taking with her whatever is left of her Jaffa, slaves, Goa'uld underlings and as much naquadah as she can carry.
As she explores this strange new galaxy she comes across a heavily battered hive ship and makes contact with their queen. The two respective queens meet and we find out that this Wraith queen is in a contentious power struggle against her rivals and is losing badly. So then the two queens have a meeting and eventually after the Wraith queen mind melds with her Goa'uld counterpart, they decide to literally (and figuratively) unite as one. What happens next is the Goa'uld queen leaves her human host and enters into the Wraith queen's body. Now as one being with their forces and technology combined, they set out to defeat the other Wraith hive ships and deal with the Atlantis expedition, while also making plans to dominate the galaxy.
There was that alien bug from the episode that SG1 and that Russian Team were inside that Ziggerat where they found a sarcophagus that had a Gould locked inside with a giant man eating bug.
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i feel like the wraiths mental/psychic abilities would in the very least give the goa'uld a very difficult time to take over, if not match or overpower the goa'uld mind
What I think would be interesting is if there was an alternate timeline where at least some of the System Lords escaped to Pegasus, and upon meeting the Wraith, they attempt to do to them what they did with The Trust, just on a galactic scale.
I don't see why a Goa'uld could not inhabit a Wraith given their similarities to Humans, though that part about the invading Goa'uld killing the Wraith if it does so due to Naquada being toxic to them if it is in their bloodstream is interesting, I like this idea as it fits in nicely with with how nasty unforseen side effects of overpowered things made them unfeasable as long term plot devices. E.G. The Attero Device, Project Arcturus, Sudan cloaking devices. There may be a slight problem with one taking a Wraith however and that is their pyschic abilities, to paraphrase Rodney McKay in a certain episode with the Azurans I do not think it would take them long to realise that another player has, "joined the game". After all, they did sense Teyla when she first connected to them from the infirmary and they were able to speak through her and even control her body for a short time before Carson rendered her unconscious. I think the same thing would happen if a Goa'uld took one, it would be spotted very quickly by the others just like Teyla was.
The question would be if the Goa'uld would feed or try to get their hands on a sarcophagus which would be interesting to see if it would be better than just feeding and how the other Wraith would respond to such a thing.
In the first episode of Atlantis they mentioned the Ancients discovering a weakness of The Wraith but they never said what it was but it seemed like they were setting it up in the story arc to be saltwater is there any more info on this
I recently rewatched "Rising" but I don't remember this line. Not likely to be saltwater, though -- Stargate's writers were rather "salty" toward that particular alien vulnerability in the Shayamalan movie "Signs," thus the gym scene with Carter tearing it apart in SG-1's "Orpheus."
I always took it to be the cloning that was later introduced, as apposed to a genetic problem.
My head cannon is that it would not be able to take control of a queen but would be able to control typical wriath.
Similar reason to why the Queen is not effected by the de-wraithing drug
wasnt Ra basicly a Grey Man alien, so not a human or a Unas?
He looked like a boiy/ung man right uptil just before hios ship kinda of deciced that its atomes didnt wnt to hang around with each other anymore when we got a quick flash of the Grey Man - or was that just the "thought" of what a Gua'old was then?
I thought the Goa'uld only went power mad and other negative traits by extended use of the sarcophagus with the regenerative abilities of a wraith the Goa'uld wouldn't need to use one and wouldn't necessarily give away it's taken one as a host by building an empire although would other wraith even notice as they wraith queen's are highly territorial and aggressive anyway
I really don't like that explanation, it makes the Goa'uld just seem like zombies and victims rather than genuinely evil beings.
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for the longest time i thought it was just two dudes. when did you guys take on SG24?
I would like to see a battle between the the Goa'uld and the Wraith.
wow, this idea could have been lots of content... even for more seasons
This is the new show we need!
I'm thinking of a Wraith Hiveship with Goa'uld shields. Sure, the shields are probably not as strong, but it's another layer of defense and an advantage over other Wraith ships. And even if they learn that the Queen is a Goa'uld, the promise of many humans only for themselves if they let her live to give them more tech is too much to let it go.
Definately something I could see Baal to try ^^
Firstly, I'll definitely have to take a look at those books mentioned in the video. Secondly, this is silly a plot point I would love to see if the power is the Powers that bring back staggered
I know it's been a while since anybody's added to this subject, but here I go. The one thing that would, in my mind, possibly prevent a Goa'uld from taking a Wraith host is based upon the very origins of the Wraith. My reason here is that the Wraith were created when humans were infected by a parasitic insectoid species. In my mind, a Goa'uld taking a Wraith host please open the possibility of the new parasitic organism being itself overcome by the same infection which created the Wraith species in the first place. I could see the Goa'uld are there being rejected out right, or instead itself being converted into a Wraith-like version of itself. This new parasite might possibly be halter to the point where it is no longer independent in thinking in the greater Wraith Hive structures. This being the case, you would be unwise for a Goa'uld to make such a joining with any Wraith that wasn't a queen, and thus at the height of a hive hierarchy and so being capable of independence from the rest of the hive.
old video but i think its cool that atleast one goa uld made it to the pegasus galaxy but in a human host must been a big step for them overall.
A question I have is, would the wrath win simply win the fight for the body? They might just vampire the goauld inside of their body, or their natural healing factor and immune system could very well just kill the goauld.
8:37 I tried looking for your channel could not find it.
It's linked in the video description. Thanks for watching!
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Goa'uld could take Wraith as a host, because it presntes a new threat that's very cool and fans would love it. It would make for a great arch, possibly even a long term villain like Micheal. It's simple as that.
What you have forgotten is the wraith being descended from the bug may still have the genetic ability to co-opt DNA into itself or even to take over as in the case of Shepard when he was bitten by the bug.
the tokra dont have the naquadrea in there blood line so could they do it with out making any artificial changes
As far as we know they do have naquadah in their blood, as this was part of the Goa'uld evolution long before the Tok'ra movement split off 2,000 years ago.
Ive actually always wondered why they didnt do that for a big bad guy in Atlantis