Weird that Jung had such an artistic/romantic way to describe Si, yet anyone who's a fan of his work describes it as memory and doing what you're told...
Yeah, I really don't understand that. It seems like no one in the modern type community (other than AsuraPsych) is paying attention to what Jung actually said about Introverted Sensing. The way Jung describes this function actually makes it seem very mysterious and intriguing to me.
It must be because they didn't read Jung. That's why I don't take the mbti community seriously. Another one who talks about the Si is Emma Jung in the Von Fraz book, she says that Si is good at absorbing sensory details.
The MBTI community is riddled with misinformation, misinterpretation and blatant ignorance. Brushing Si off as ”memory” or ”tradition” is just ridiculous.
@@ec8335 Yeah. I have Si as a dominant function and I have always been fascinated with symbolism and mysterious things. My house is also basically a „museum to my memories” - most pieces of art I have are there because they carry some important memory for me - it’s almost as if I externalised my mind.
ISFJ here, and i’m so relieved to find an accurate video about Si. Everyone just says “oh it’s being good at details and memory, and traditions” and while it’s not completely wrong, there’s just so much more to it than that. My memory can be terrible sometimes, I need to make reminders constantly. Anyways, almost every object in my room has some sort of “value” to it, as i can look at it and recollect all the memories i’ve had with that specific thing. A good way to summarize it for me is “impressions.” and yes, thank you for saying we have some creativity LOL this is why i mistyped as an aux Ne for so long man. I can’t draw for crap, but I like writing poetry and can often visualize pieces of art in my head. Great video, thank you very much :)
Another ISFJ here, I can confirm that my memory is indeed terrible sometimes or being more specific my brain doesn't collect all the details. It's like a filter that only saves things that are important to me personally for some reason. The same way this stereotypical "cleaning of the house" is rather a way to get rid of unnecessary things and don't get bothered by something that has no meaning (or sometimes just use) to me. Some people see little things that are left without explicit use as clutter, but to me they hold a certain memory, feeling and value. Regarding art I'm not really talented, but I don't think this is linked to my type. I think Si-types can be very creative, because "creativity is the sum of past experiences". I cannot remember who exactly said this, but it holds some truth.
ESTJ here, and for some reason this makes me think about an incident recently where my husband and I were driving down a windy back road. It was late at night and we happened to have caught up with 3 other cars. I suddenly viewed us and those cars as being on a team, going on an adventure together in the night. It made me a little bummed when they eventually turned off to another two lane highway. My husband, an INTJ, did not get it at ALL. After hearing your description me thinks this was my Si taking the wheel for a time. Very cool.
I'm and INTP, and to me every song has its own ‘atmosphere’. Not just in the form of emotions like happiness or sadness, but also things like sceneries and settings. Some songs remind me of a night in a North American desert where UFOs land. Some reminds me of a sinking beach covered with giant monoliths, under the cloudy purple dusk sky. And some reminds me of a peaceful beautiful forest in Early Cretaceous Northeastern China, vibrant with lives. I've always been suspecting that it's because of my tert-Si.
I Fi d music helps me, as an INTP, helps externalize and bring g a pattern to my emotions. Without music, I would either be a detached robot or an emotional wreck.
The memorabilia part is so true. I just can't throw away some objects from my house, even though they are sometimes old, broken and no longer good for anything. But each of them is a memory of someone or something important to me. Throwing away my grandma's jagged vase would be like severing a bond with her - every time I look at it, I remember what a wonderful woman she was and how much I loved her.
I'm an ISTJ and I really like the consistent way you spoke about the ideia of Si, and how well the title condenses it's meaning. It's really good to see the perspective an INTJ can bring to the topic, well done.
Nice to see you give SI it's due. The MTBI "SJ" label overlooks the subjective factor with SI dominants, missing Jung's point entirely and dismissing an incredibly fascinating and rich mode of perception
Same and same! It weirds me out when Se people just go through life without frequently reflecting on the past and what happened to cause the current reality we are in...
Really well explained, thank you! ISTJ here :) I prefer to keep my many little memorabilia in boxes inside the wardrobe and in specific drawers rather than leaving them "exposed" on walls or shelves but I can see a lot of myself in many of your words! I'm sure my type is commonly underrated but I've made peace with the fact that everyone "in the outside world" deals mainly if not only with my Extroverted Thinking: I can see it may not always be fun... :D
Would this explain why I (ISTJ) have such strong associations for certain songs? I have some songs with really positive associations and others that are inextricably linked to intensely negative experiences.
I got 10 seconds into the video and already gave you a like because you seem to understand how strange Si is. Until I understood how Si works I actually thought I was an intuitive type (as opposed to an introverted sensing type I now believe I am).
I consider myself an Ni dominant. With your video it hasn't changed my thought but i do want to bring up something for clarification. I don't keep memorabilia and like to see how things objectively feed my view of the world on a meaning level, "what does it call connect to?" And "ooh this also confirms this which can now include this which helps bring evidence to my idea". And "gasp! This explains the one missing thing and now it all is refined." Etc. I do also like the idea of seeing maybe photos and what things mean cause items arent in absolutes. I dont attach memories to it but i do find importance in being able to see myself turn 5, then 10 then 15 and so on. It shows the journey and just the physical way i looked. Im always thinking about tomorrow and the thing im working towards, that i miss alot of sensory things. Knowing i can look back at a photo or video and know im gettin the original thing, no subjectivablity brings me i wouldn't say comfort but slight relief. Maybe its cause i believe no one wants to be forgotten so having physical evidence of my accomplishments is important to me. There is something cool in having an objective reminder of something. I could have more to say but what it boils down to is, do you think thats Ni or Si? Cause clearly we are all capable of everything but im now stumped (in a good way.) I am new to this though so maybe im just uninformed.😂 anyone can answer too, im just looking for some thoughts on this and help.
INFJ here. For me keeping "memorabilia" is not actually how it makes me feel but for plain posterity. More than any other type, I think No doms, especially INFJs are the most retrospective (HISTORY, ANTHROPOLOGY, ARCHEOLOGY, most Humanities). For me it is about keeping track of the TIMELINE. Since I was like 10 or something, I've been keeping "journals" and keeping track of my own PERSONAL favorite songs and tv shows. Even today, I still track my favorite songs, films, movies. I was obsessed with charts and countdowns until I realized that those were ultimately irrelevant to my "tastes". But the thing is, I don't keep stacks of notebooks and printouts and books just because they have "sentimental" value but my main mentality of why I always keep stuff - MAYBE I WOULD NEED IT SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD. Like, if I ever need to point out something, I have the record/evidence to prove it. Ask me my favorite songs from a particular month and year, and I could probably tell you with confidence. One peculiar habit that I've been doing that makes me question my "Ni-domness" (never tested as an ISFJ or ISTJ) is when I'm bored, since I've been digital journalling for so long, I thought it was fun to look back what I did on the exact day from the previous year or two. And then, I would try to "recreate" that same day. Weird.
Introverted sensing has always been a very mysterious and interesting function to me since I read it in Jung’s book, finally someone sees it that way too, cause most people don’t give it enough credit
Whenever I read "gothic" novels, which always have a very atmospheric, and somewhat spooky setting, and where objects (e.g. a house) are portrayed as "benevolent" or "malevolent" and almost alive -- I often think of what Jung says about the way Introverted Sensors view the world. Objects and characters in gothic novels are always portrayed in a way that is very strongly coloured by the emotions and subjective impressions of the story-teller and often seem fantastical even when no magic or real supernatural element is involved. This is similar in "atmospheric" movies as well (such as suspense movies, or movies about ghost, for example). And so I wonder if these types of fiction are examples of the Introverted Sensing perspective. What is the psychological function that perceives "atmosphere" and "sense" the "mood" of a place or thing? I always suspect it's probably Introverted Sensing (based on how Jung seems to describe it). Maybe I'm way off and I've misunderstood Jung.
A really clarifying video, thank you for the explanation. I can definitely see that I’m a Si user over a Ni user now. My internal perception of objects is very subjective and personal; I can take the impressions with me along throughout my life. I value my impressions and find joy in seeing them recreated often :)
i just discovered your channel. One of (if not) the best Si explanation i have heard so far. I remember the example of Si about the interpretation of a scenery mentioned by Carl Jung (you mentioned in the video). That made me wonder how can one truly understand an Si dominant user.. only possible by spending time with them. 1) Would you say that the differentiation between Ni and Si is that Si would still pay more attention to tangible sensory experiences that will inspire the internal perception of it? Ni's relation to tangible sensory experiences is more.... as it is. 2) What is the relationship of Si to an Ni dominant user? (I am subscribed to the idea that we use consciously or unconsciously all the functions.) I find Si most challenging to observe and to understand.
I really liked the way you brought Ni and Si together. I'm INFJ so domininant Ni and I have this envy over Si types. I love and value art but most art I simply cannot do. I'm a very good writer, fortunately, so I rest with that...but everything else I suck at. Also, I have no attachment to things. Maybe that sounds all ZEN-like, but sometimes I feel like it would be good to be attached and to value things more. If I'm not careful there won't be anything to prove I even existed! lol But seriously, it must be fun to value an object and share it with someone. It seems so much more natural than intuition, which is so abstract, confusing and even boring to people. Anyways, I can't wait to learn more about Si :)
Thanks for sharing. As an Ni dom I still have experienced some Si like things. I have a few rocks that I picked up on the shore of lake Superior that thinking of will take me visually back there. And I was sad selling my house as my dad had built a workshop for me in the garage and in a way that workshop *was* my dad. I wonder about these perceptions in the context of MBTI sometimes. But that's not my dominant mode of perception and all very linked to things that have significant personal value to me (which from my understanding is more Fi) I just really wonder how it all actually works. Jung's theory is just that: a theory. And it's so hard to know what's *actually* going on in someone else's head to somehow make a comparison.
Sure, good points. 1. Jungian typology is theoretical, although as an INFJ I continue to mine this framework, sometimes obsessively, for ideas, insights, inspiration, etc. I find it useful, apparently! 2. Although I have observed Si-types to be more surrounded by what I consider "junk" than some other types, I think there tends to be an overemphasis on the "collector" aspect of Si, as though other types do not value collections also. (For example, I have always collected books. I consider it a sickness, but I can think of much dumber things to collect.) I tend not to want to weigh myself down with "stuff", and I also tend to "outgrow" the attachment to material objects...and ideas, thank God...over time, but I have "sentimental" things that I do or do not want around me in my house. When I am ready, I will let them go. Perhaps some of my more Si-perceptions come from being raised by an ISFJ mom...who actually does have a wall full of family photos (I may have 1 or 2 around my house at times, or even none.) A lot of my sentimental objects stir such strong feelings that I can't stand to have them out where I can see them. As a rule, I don't like clutter, and I like to have my mind be "free" for new perceptions and ideas to enter; I find the sensory world too distracting a lot of the time. However, I am usually pretty "meta" in how I see my own thought patterns and subjective reactions to things...something which I don't perceive as being so interesting to an Si-dominant type. For example, when I talk to my ISFJ mom about emotions, thoughts and ways of perceiving things, she quickly loses interest. 3. I find that a lot of my tendencies as a "typical" INFJ align well with the theoretical construct of an HSP (highly sensitive person) put forth by Elaine Aron. This construct posits that the "HSP" has an innate, temperatmental tendency to take in "too much" information from the sensory world, resulting in sensory overload; little outside stimulation is required to generate a seemingly outsized response within. This idea of HSPs feeling over-stimulated also correlates in my mind with the concept of intellectual and imaginational overexcitabilities, which are psychological constructs associated with "gifted" psychology; again, this theory posits that "intense" reactions to information and ideas are a subjectively variant temperamental and/or psychological construct. Those with more "overexcitabilities" or "sensitivies", if you will, will respond more stongly that most people to a given stimulus perceived to be coming from the "outside" world. In turn, this makes HSPs (which I consider myself to be) somewhat reliant on familiarity and routine, although as an INFJ, too much routine and detail feels absolutely soul-deadening to me...especially when the routine is too rigid, makes no logical sense, has no room for improvement or has no perceptible value.
I'm Ni dom as well, but i thought it was my Fi that likes to keep certain few objects, not with the motive to relive experiences but cz of emotional value. but i agree with you and wonder the same. typology in general is just an attempt at understanding how our/people's minds work and we can't entirely capture that in one archetype model but it can help understand some aspects of it through behaviours or tendencies. then again, we can never truly tell what goes inside people's minds ..
ENTP here. Very interesting perspective of SI. The collecting bit sounds right, my sister is ISFJ and admires my modest, but strong memobilia from childhood, mostly about how an item made me feel, rather than the physical value. Does sensing come into play? I had an item, cloth or sock or alike with 'human smell' on it I needed to have as a comforter on my nose in my early childhood (until 12), the older the better. I was and am still incapable to correctly communicate these feelings on the outside. Thank you for this.
Last ni or without having si seems wired to me, like robotic somehow, or any funny jokes , forget everything what you’ve experienced before, unless you are going in sub conscious or super ego, entp has si memory just not exact date number like (even one 1st si user challenged me he knew one teachers full name and he thought he won ,later i told him its not subjective ly true by giving exact name lol why he went so subjective 😅) , but by ne ti fe si we can talked and relate any life factor to 10 years ago another same factor to jump to 5 year same factor thats the beautiful nature of life❤ somehow every things stores >> entp(isfj ) type me
Thanks! This explains why I value my photo albums and have a hard time throwing things away...any why when my husband throws away my stuff I get so upset. I thought introverted intuition was even harder to understand since it has even less tangibility.
Can we also say that Se only gathers objects that are pleasing to their senses? I used to collect shiny looking things just to only stare at them a few times and then throw them away.
I think, that it runs deeper than that. You were probably collecting them to "get them" - to understand, thorough Ni, what makes them appealing to you (or people in general) and why. You might not be able to put it into words, but you probably can use this knowledge. I also do it, but I try to know why (for Te reasons). Lately I did it with knives and cameras.
@@jankom.7783 Okay, holy shit. Are you INTJ? You just explained it perfectly. I have many art pictures in my gallery that I downloaded just to study what makes them appealing or I have a word doc dedicated to analyzing the games I have played and enjoyed.
@@egomaniac7230 Yes. I also have a theory about how our personalities with same cognitive functions fit together. Our (Se-Te) ultimate environment looks like historical city center in Europe. INTJs listen to demands of people to make business and plan buildings, their layout and infrastructure. ENTJs build them. ISFPs make the facades of it and interiors. Create art, sculptures and furniture. And ESFPs run businesses in shops that are in street level. Making/selling food, clothing, providing entertainment. Together creating a trading hub.
Very interesting. How would you differentiate Ni vs. Si if both attribute objects in the world to subjective, higher-level meaning? For me, if I have to use the artistic analogy, I believe an Si user would paint with a lot of effort in the details and every detail means specific things. Ni is more impressionistic like Monet, but the "vagueness" has a stronger effect to the viewer.
As an INFJ that is planning to paint ― I totally agree. Vagueness is a great artistic tool in Painting. And my favorite style is Surrealism ― which itself is vague.
Woooow!!! finally found a wholesome video which talks about facts nd the way functions take in and process info. Rather than the characteristcs nd people 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌thaaaanx allot
I wouldnt say "near" future, but at some point. These videos take a lot of research for me as I like to spend a few days really bunkering down and reading and rereading the chapters about the function I'm doing. I did one on Ni a few months back as well. Yes though, eventually all eight will be done.
@@AsuraPsych Glad to read this! I gotta say this video gave me an understanding for Si and how Si-types experience the world in a way no one else have been able provide. You're Ni video is also soooo good and relatable, it's like when you explain it it all makes sense. You're work is truly a gem!
Vwry informative, I also get frustrated when I want to explain something I speak then I realizwd it's not what I wanted to say at all, or vert tangential.
Whaaat 😲 I thought that Se types (especially INTJs, I guess I got caught in the stereotype trap) of any form rationalize that subjective memory away for the sake of being 'realistic'. Instead you don't have that connection to begin with 😲 ...I mean yeah that makes much more sense in retrospective😅
That's a good way of putting it yeah. It simply just isnt perceived that way, Ni/Se types have that same subjective attachment to the intuitive world though which is why they often latch on to ideas and visions like an Si type would to an object or thing. Thanks for watching!
@@AsuraPsych the idea of the type latching on to the something associated with their introverted perceiving function is something I hadn't thought about. That could be a good way to identify which perceiving axis someone uses. Do they latch on to objects or do they latch on to ideas and worldviews. It also suggests that the introverted perceiving function could be tied into their identity.
is introverted sensation primarily rooted in the subjective element of 'instincts' and is therefore a derivative of primordial emotions? The function appears to have a homeostatic affect evoked by internal states (biological and psychic contents) that bend the stream of consciousness into a reflective layer concentrated in an agglomeration of stored reactions of an emotional magnitude. Or should it remain as a distinct perceptive filter (as being more of a philosophy of the mind) rather than an emergent evolutionary construct (if that makes sense). I only ask because the collective unconscious appears to be linked to evolutionary biopsychology.
I second this idea. For reference. As an INTP, i generally prefer science fiction and fantasy movies, movies based on true stories, and the occasional comedy (if it's a good one). Hate romance and horror movies.
Asura, I remember you said that your girlfriend (ENFJ) focused on the memories or feelings when listening a song. Does that relates to Introverted Sensing? I'm asking this because I can see some of that aspects on me (INTJ) but I'm not completely like that.
My dad was a hoarder who kept all my grandpas bronze trophies from formula one racing in the 60s and filled a trailer with items he bought from thrift stores. I've never typed him, but I'm fairly certain he was an introverted senser. Maybe even my type, ISFJ. But literally everyone hates him lol yikes
So, I do tend to keep my kid's childhood assignments and magnets for the places me and my family have visited. Will this mean I am not an INTJ because till now I used to think I am INTJ with Ni-Fi loop and Se grip.
I consider my self as an intj.... Yet i do have some of the topics he brought... I like drawing and i repeat movies and i have some things from my past but usually i dont use them or even notice them because i am future oriented.... Im confused.
I get the feeling that Si seems like sensory information after being, somewhat, judged by the sensor, which means is based on a previous database (self memory and cultural influencies). It feels like sensing the world around with a previous script, attributing values to objects and persons....but wouldn't that be closer to some kind of judging function???
Hey there. INTJs can certainly think of the past, but they aren't likely to value it. INTJs tend to value the future and often see the past as something that either holds them back or is simply just unimportant. Thanks for watching!
Hello, Read about Chakras and the 3rd eye. Ida and Pingala pathways of energy flow, I believe we INTJs use 6th chakra(Ajna), unlike other MBTI types that are comfortable with other chakras. And that Ajna has 2 more parts to it, Ida, in front of Right brain (Imagination) || Pingala in front of Left brain (Sensing) Through meditation, I've unlocked my 3rd eye (It doesn't come out but lets you feel your consciousness inside your body) So what I did I become conscious of Pingala (Sensing) Nadi which I was not and I saw a complete shift in how I perceive the world, It was more vivid and beautiful, Things were more beautiful and Music felt like it's hitting every part of your body. But It also felt like I've become a child by putting consciousness right now I'm practicing how to switch between those 2 modes quickly. Also, I think you can be any type if you meditate long enough on the chakras each type use, For example, an ESFJ uses -- Fe (Throat Chakra) - Opt Si ( Pingala ) - Pes Ne( Crown Chakra, Child, and it's weak ) - Opt Ti ( I'm not sure about it but I think it ) - Pes Also, You'll notice your face will change based on where your consciousness is, And I believe there's more to our body and mind than MBTI.
So then everyone is unique and creative? This is either a flaw in Jung’s work or a misinterpretation of it. Because if this is true then Jung doesn’t account for the “vanilla” personality type that isn’t creative and isn’t unique and follows tradition and social expectation and considers hardwork and duty a virtue.
Your negative association with those traits neglects the potential creativity of such types. Just because someone is hardworking and values duty does not mean they are vanilla or cant change the world. Many of histories most influential people were of such traits. An INTJ can be boring and an ESFJ can be creative. The cognition differs. Not every ISTJ is a tradition loving beurocrat. Some are leaders and producers, say for example Jeff Bezos, who is considered by many to be an ISTJ. Types determine cognition, not potential. It's very important to remember this.
AsuraPsych it’s not negative association. We need Si doms, they are better equipped to deal with certain aspects of life. But to take their weakest quality(creativity) and highlight it in an essay as their strength is illogical. They have the potential as every human does, to be creative. They can do this if they develop an Ne. Si on its own though is not creativity. If it is, then it’s a contradiction in Jung’s work as I said since it fails to accommodate the non-creative or the low creativity type. This contradiction is extremely important to address for your model to make sense.
AsuraPsych type determines cognition and cognition determines creative potential. If this is not so then why do we observe far more __FP creative types and much fewer __SJ? Is this a false observation? The whole model falls apart with this video.
@@TheHermit91 Hermit Stargazer Si types have a great capacity for art, as Jung stated. Their ability to interact and be inspired by the sensory world allows them to have a unuiqe interpretation of it. Low creative types will typically be STJ and NTJ, not SJs overall. Even then though STJs will still enjoy creating systems for optimization (E.g. Bezos again who has created the most routine and effective shopping platform on the planet). Valuing work and seeing it as a virtue is far more related to Te. You aren't likely to find ExTJs in the arts. People discredit Si far too much. People who tend to be creative tend to have Ne/Si in their stack somewhere, whether high or low. This axis is the one associated with creative production. High Ne types tend to enjoy more abstract arts and things that are less on the sensory side. Si types tend to lean towards sensory activities like painting or music, or in the case of the SiTe type, things like artistic categorization (take for example someone who draws and records animal life in great detail, like a biologist). Is that not considered creative to you? If it is not, then our definitions of creative dont match. Creativiness isnt the weakest quality of the Si type. Si types aren't known for wild creativity like intuitive types but their creativity still exists. The typical weakness of Si is their preference for the known compared to the unknown, which is what leads them to - sometimes - be very traditionalist. Do you think that a majority of the worlds best musicians are intuitive types? Types that have a low connection with the sensory experience? You might find intuitives to be more likely to break the boundaries of music (Lady Gaga, etc.) But a huge majority of the worlds music is likely produced by sensing types, many of them Si. This video wasnt an essay on the creative potential of Si, it was made to hopefully counter the blatant intuitive bias most of the community has because of their misunderstanding and misinterpretation of Jung.
AsuraPsych thanks for the detailed rational response. As I see you leave room for the SJ’s tendency to be traditional and following familiar paths, I have no problems with your theory. It was only that you highlighted their creative potential as one of their main qualities that agitated me because it didn’t fit the archetype. But I see now that your intent was to bring out the lesser talked about potential of the SJ type in a world of intuitive bias. Completely makes sense. I’m assuming you’re INFJ because that seems like a very INFJ thing to do. I’m INTP and I approached your video from a different standpoint looking for an objective analysis of Si equally highlighting all the characteristics so it can paint a clear picture of it in my head. And you’re right I have a bias towards groundbreaking creativity and all the art I’m inspired by usually comes from intuitive types. I have hardly ever enjoyed the art of an SJ type. But maybe in a broader meaning of the term, creativity does apply to SJs as a collection of coins is also creative as is the generic pop song made out of a break up(Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande). Maybe the term that I was looking for is innovation more than creativity. Si types lack innovation, new ways of doing things, and that’s not me undermining them. My way of being fair to SJs and fighting the intuitive bias is by highlighting the fact that certain aspects of the world need to be dealt with in a non-creative, risk free way where the Ni or Ne approach will fail. Random example: An Ne dom trying to learn to play guitar has a problem as his mind keeps on running from one idea to another without settling down and fully mastering the basic techniques. This is where they learn the value of Si as they need to let go of that Ne to be able to repetitively play the same generic things again and again to master technique.
Weird that Jung had such an artistic/romantic way to describe Si, yet anyone who's a fan of his work describes it as memory and doing what you're told...
Yeah, I really don't understand that. It seems like no one in the modern type community (other than AsuraPsych) is paying attention to what Jung actually said about Introverted Sensing. The way Jung describes this function actually makes it seem very mysterious and intriguing to me.
It must be because they didn't read Jung. That's why I don't take the mbti community seriously.
Another one who talks about the Si is Emma Jung in the Von Fraz book, she says that Si is good at absorbing sensory details.
The MBTI community is riddled with misinformation, misinterpretation and blatant ignorance. Brushing Si off as ”memory” or ”tradition” is just ridiculous.
@@ec8335 Yeah. I have Si as a dominant function and I have always been fascinated with symbolism and mysterious things. My house is also basically a „museum to my memories” - most pieces of art I have are there because they carry some important memory for me - it’s almost as if I externalised my mind.
Exactly right? I always felt so much curiosity for introverted sensing, it seemed so mysterious to me. I’m INFP
ISFJ here, and i’m so relieved to find an accurate video about Si. Everyone just says “oh it’s being good at details and memory, and traditions” and while it’s not completely wrong, there’s just so much more to it than that. My memory can be terrible sometimes, I need to make reminders constantly. Anyways, almost every object in my room has some sort of “value” to it, as i can look at it and recollect all the memories i’ve had with that specific thing. A good way to summarize it for me is “impressions.”
and yes, thank you for saying we have some creativity LOL this is why i mistyped as an aux Ne for so long man. I can’t draw for crap, but I like writing poetry and can often visualize pieces of art in my head. Great video, thank you very much :)
Another ISFJ here, I can confirm that my memory is indeed terrible sometimes or being more specific my brain doesn't collect all the details. It's like a filter that only saves things that are important to me personally for some reason.
The same way this stereotypical "cleaning of the house" is rather a way to get rid of unnecessary things and don't get bothered by something that has no meaning (or sometimes just use) to me. Some people see little things that are left without explicit use as clutter, but to me they hold a certain memory, feeling and value.
Regarding art I'm not really talented, but I don't think this is linked to my type. I think Si-types can be very creative, because "creativity is the sum of past experiences". I cannot remember who exactly said this, but it holds some truth.
ESTJ here, and for some reason this makes me think about an incident recently where my husband and I were driving down a windy back road. It was late at night and we happened to have caught up with 3 other cars. I suddenly viewed us and those cars as being on a team, going on an adventure together in the night. It made me a little bummed when they eventually turned off to another two lane highway. My husband, an INTJ, did not get it at ALL. After hearing your description me thinks this was my Si taking the wheel for a time. Very cool.
I'm and INTP, and to me every song has its own ‘atmosphere’. Not just in the form of emotions like happiness or sadness, but also things like sceneries and settings.
Some songs remind me of a night in a North American desert where UFOs land. Some reminds me of a sinking beach covered with giant monoliths, under the cloudy purple dusk sky. And some reminds me of a peaceful beautiful forest in Early Cretaceous Northeastern China, vibrant with lives.
I've always been suspecting that it's because of my tert-Si.
The same happens with me, and I'm probably an INTP.
I Fi d music helps me, as an INTP, helps externalize and bring g a pattern to my emotions. Without music, I would either be a detached robot or an emotional wreck.
This is so informative. As an INFP, i have Si child and its actually my favourite function. Its so beautiful and romantic. Very impressionistic.
I’m INFP too and I feel similar about introverted sensing
The memorabilia part is so true. I just can't throw away some objects from my house, even though they are sometimes old, broken and no longer good for anything. But each of them is a memory of someone or something important to me. Throwing away my grandma's jagged vase would be like severing a bond with her - every time I look at it, I remember what a wonderful woman she was and how much I loved her.
I'm an ISTJ and I really like the consistent way you spoke about the ideia of Si, and how well the title condenses it's meaning. It's really good to see the perspective an INTJ can bring to the topic, well done.
Nice to see you give SI it's due. The MTBI "SJ" label overlooks the subjective factor with SI dominants, missing Jung's point entirely and dismissing an incredibly fascinating and rich mode of perception
Uhh mode is too limited and pretentious a term. Worlds of perception would be more accurate
I'm an INTP and I do have value attached to things, like drawings I did when I was young, or a volcanic stone that my grandma gave me.
Same and same! It weirds me out when Se people just go through life without frequently reflecting on the past and what happened to cause the current reality we are in...
I never even considered putting pictures of family up. Never really cared about that 😶 makes perfect sense now
Really well explained, thank you! ISTJ here :) I prefer to keep my many little memorabilia in boxes inside the wardrobe and in specific drawers rather than leaving them "exposed" on walls or shelves but I can see a lot of myself in many of your words! I'm sure my type is commonly underrated but I've made peace with the fact that everyone "in the outside world" deals mainly if not only with my Extroverted Thinking: I can see it may not always be fun... :D
Would this explain why I (ISTJ) have such strong associations for certain songs? I have some songs with really positive associations and others that are inextricably linked to intensely negative experiences.
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I got 10 seconds into the video and already gave you a like because you seem to understand how strange Si is. Until I understood how Si works I actually thought I was an intuitive type (as opposed to an introverted sensing type I now believe I am).
I believe in a way all introverted functions “”look”” more intuitive than extroverted functions
I consider myself an Ni dominant. With your video it hasn't changed my thought but i do want to bring up something for clarification. I don't keep memorabilia and like to see how things objectively feed my view of the world on a meaning level, "what does it call connect to?" And "ooh this also confirms this which can now include this which helps bring evidence to my idea". And "gasp! This explains the one missing thing and now it all is refined." Etc. I do also like the idea of seeing maybe photos and what things mean cause items arent in absolutes. I dont attach memories to it but i do find importance in being able to see myself turn 5, then 10 then 15 and so on. It shows the journey and just the physical way i looked. Im always thinking about tomorrow and the thing im working towards, that i miss alot of sensory things. Knowing i can look back at a photo or video and know im gettin the original thing, no subjectivablity brings me i wouldn't say comfort but slight relief. Maybe its cause i believe no one wants to be forgotten so having physical evidence of my accomplishments is important to me. There is something cool in having an objective reminder of something. I could have more to say but what it boils down to is, do you think thats Ni or Si? Cause clearly we are all capable of everything but im now stumped (in a good way.) I am new to this though so maybe im just uninformed.😂 anyone can answer too, im just looking for some thoughts on this and help.
INFJ here. For me keeping "memorabilia" is not actually how it makes me feel but for plain posterity. More than any other type, I think No doms, especially INFJs are the most retrospective (HISTORY, ANTHROPOLOGY, ARCHEOLOGY, most Humanities). For me it is about keeping track of the TIMELINE. Since I was like 10 or something, I've been keeping "journals" and keeping track of my own PERSONAL favorite songs and tv shows. Even today, I still track my favorite songs, films, movies. I was obsessed with charts and countdowns until I realized that those were ultimately irrelevant to my "tastes".
But the thing is, I don't keep stacks of notebooks and printouts and books just because they have "sentimental" value but my main mentality of why I always keep stuff - MAYBE I WOULD NEED IT SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD. Like, if I ever need to point out something, I have the record/evidence to prove it. Ask me my favorite songs from a particular month and year, and I could probably tell you with confidence.
One peculiar habit that I've been doing that makes me question my "Ni-domness" (never tested as an ISFJ or ISTJ) is when I'm bored, since I've been digital journalling for so long, I thought it was fun to look back what I did on the exact day from the previous year or two. And then, I would try to "recreate" that same day. Weird.
Introverted sensing has always been a very mysterious and interesting function to me since I read it in Jung’s book, finally someone sees it that way too, cause most people don’t give it enough credit
Whenever I read "gothic" novels, which always have a very atmospheric, and somewhat spooky setting, and where objects (e.g. a house) are portrayed as "benevolent" or "malevolent" and almost alive -- I often think of what Jung says about the way Introverted Sensors view the world. Objects and characters in gothic novels are always portrayed in a way that is very strongly coloured by the emotions and subjective impressions of the story-teller and often seem fantastical even when no magic or real supernatural element is involved. This is similar in "atmospheric" movies as well (such as suspense movies, or movies about ghost, for example). And so I wonder if these types of fiction are examples of the Introverted Sensing perspective. What is the psychological function that perceives "atmosphere" and "sense" the "mood" of a place or thing? I always suspect it's probably Introverted Sensing (based on how Jung seems to describe it). Maybe I'm way off and I've misunderstood Jung.
You're on to something about Si and object impressions.
A really clarifying video, thank you for the explanation. I can definitely see that I’m a Si user over a Ni user now. My internal perception of objects is very subjective and personal; I can take the impressions with me along throughout my life. I value my impressions and find joy in seeing them recreated often :)
What do you mean "recreated"?
i just discovered your channel.
One of (if not) the best Si explanation i have heard so far.
I remember the example of Si about the interpretation of a scenery mentioned by Carl Jung (you mentioned in the video). That made me wonder how can one truly understand an Si dominant user.. only possible by spending time with them.
1) Would you say that the differentiation between Ni and Si is that Si would still pay more attention to tangible sensory experiences that will inspire the internal perception of it?
Ni's relation to tangible sensory experiences is more.... as it is.
2) What is the relationship of Si to an Ni dominant user? (I am subscribed to the idea that we use consciously or unconsciously all the functions.)
I find Si most challenging to observe and to understand.
Great video, great explanation, but I still don't get it :D
Such a strange function for me to try and figure out.
I really liked the way you brought Ni and Si together. I'm INFJ so domininant Ni and I have this envy over Si types. I love and value art but most art I simply cannot do. I'm a very good writer, fortunately, so I rest with that...but everything else I suck at.
Also, I have no attachment to things. Maybe that sounds all ZEN-like, but sometimes I feel like it would be good to be attached and to value things more. If I'm not careful there won't be anything to prove I even existed! lol
But seriously, it must be fun to value an object and share it with someone. It seems so much more natural than intuition, which is so abstract, confusing and even boring to people.
Anyways, I can't wait to learn more about Si :)
This is so truee. I even relate songs to my first memory of the song. 😅
Thanks for sharing. As an Ni dom I still have experienced some Si like things. I have a few rocks that I picked up on the shore of lake Superior that thinking of will take me visually back there. And I was sad selling my house as my dad had built a workshop for me in the garage and in a way that workshop *was* my dad. I wonder about these perceptions in the context of MBTI sometimes. But that's not my dominant mode of perception and all very linked to things that have significant personal value to me (which from my understanding is more Fi)
I just really wonder how it all actually works. Jung's theory is just that: a theory. And it's so hard to know what's *actually* going on in someone else's head to somehow make a comparison.
Sure, good points.
1. Jungian typology is theoretical, although as an INFJ I continue to mine this framework, sometimes obsessively, for ideas, insights, inspiration, etc. I find it useful, apparently!
2. Although I have observed Si-types to be more surrounded by what I consider "junk" than some other types, I think there tends to be an overemphasis on the "collector" aspect of Si, as though other types do not value collections also. (For example, I have always collected books. I consider it a sickness, but I can think of much dumber things to collect.) I tend not to want to weigh myself down with "stuff", and I also tend to "outgrow" the attachment to material objects...and ideas, thank God...over time, but I have "sentimental" things that I do or do not want around me in my house. When I am ready, I will let them go. Perhaps some of my more Si-perceptions come from being raised by an ISFJ mom...who actually does have a wall full of family photos (I may have 1 or 2 around my house at times, or even none.) A lot of my sentimental objects stir such strong feelings that I can't stand to have them out where I can see them. As a rule, I don't like clutter, and I like to have my mind be "free" for new perceptions and ideas to enter; I find the sensory world too distracting a lot of the time. However, I am usually pretty "meta" in how I see my own thought patterns and subjective reactions to things...something which I don't perceive as being so interesting to an Si-dominant type. For example, when I talk to my ISFJ mom about emotions, thoughts and ways of perceiving things, she quickly loses interest.
3. I find that a lot of my tendencies as a "typical" INFJ align well with the theoretical construct of an HSP (highly sensitive person) put forth by Elaine Aron. This construct posits that the "HSP" has an innate, temperatmental tendency to take in "too much" information from the sensory world, resulting in sensory overload; little outside stimulation is required to generate a seemingly outsized response within. This idea of HSPs feeling over-stimulated also correlates in my mind with the concept of intellectual and imaginational overexcitabilities, which are psychological constructs associated with "gifted" psychology; again, this theory posits that "intense" reactions to information and ideas are a subjectively variant temperamental and/or psychological construct. Those with more "overexcitabilities" or "sensitivies", if you will, will respond more stongly that most people to a given stimulus perceived to be coming from the "outside" world. In turn, this makes HSPs (which I consider myself to be) somewhat reliant on familiarity and routine, although as an INFJ, too much routine and detail feels absolutely soul-deadening to me...especially when the routine is too rigid, makes no logical sense, has no room for improvement or has no perceptible value.
I'm Ni dom as well, but i thought it was my Fi that likes to keep certain few objects, not with the motive to relive experiences but cz of emotional value. but i agree with you and wonder the same. typology in general is just an attempt at understanding how our/people's minds work and we can't entirely capture that in one archetype model but it can help understand some aspects of it through behaviours or tendencies. then again, we can never truly tell what goes inside people's minds ..
ENTP here. Very interesting perspective of SI. The collecting bit sounds right, my sister is ISFJ and admires my modest, but strong memobilia from childhood, mostly about how an item made me feel, rather than the physical value. Does sensing come into play? I had an item, cloth or sock or alike with 'human smell' on it I needed to have as a comforter on my nose in my early childhood (until 12), the older the better.
I was and am still incapable to correctly communicate these feelings on the outside. Thank you for this.
Last ni or without having si seems wired to me, like robotic somehow, or any funny jokes , forget everything what you’ve experienced before, unless you are going in sub conscious or super ego, entp has si memory just not exact date number like (even one 1st si user challenged me he knew one teachers full name and he thought he won ,later i told him its not subjective ly true by giving exact name lol why he went so subjective 😅) , but by ne ti fe si we can talked and relate any life factor to 10 years ago another same factor to jump to 5 year same factor thats the beautiful nature of life❤ somehow every things stores >> entp(isfj ) type me
Thanks! This explains why I value my photo albums and have a hard time throwing things away...any why when my husband throws away my stuff I get so upset. I thought introverted intuition was even harder to understand since it has even less tangibility.
Can we also say that Se only gathers objects that are pleasing to their senses? I used to collect shiny looking things just to only stare at them a few times and then throw them away.
I think, that it runs deeper than that. You were probably collecting them to "get them" - to understand, thorough Ni, what makes them appealing to you (or people in general) and why. You might not be able to put it into words, but you probably can use this knowledge. I also do it, but I try to know why (for Te reasons). Lately I did it with knives and cameras.
@@jankom.7783 Okay, holy shit. Are you INTJ? You just explained it perfectly. I have many art pictures in my gallery that I downloaded just to study what makes them appealing or I have a word doc dedicated to analyzing the games I have played and enjoyed.
@@egomaniac7230 Yes. I also have a theory about how our personalities with same cognitive functions fit together. Our (Se-Te) ultimate environment looks like historical city center in Europe. INTJs listen to demands of people to make business and plan buildings, their layout and infrastructure. ENTJs build them. ISFPs make the facades of it and interiors. Create art, sculptures and furniture. And ESFPs run businesses in shops that are in street level. Making/selling food, clothing, providing entertainment. Together creating a trading hub.
Mood
@@clotildemartinezlopez7017 My mom used to call me crow.
Very interesting. How would you differentiate Ni vs. Si if both attribute objects in the world to subjective, higher-level meaning? For me, if I have to use the artistic analogy, I believe an Si user would paint with a lot of effort in the details and every detail means specific things. Ni is more impressionistic like Monet, but the "vagueness" has a stronger effect to the viewer.
As an INFJ that is planning to paint ― I totally agree. Vagueness is a great artistic tool in Painting. And my favorite style is Surrealism ― which itself is vague.
Woooow!!! finally found a wholesome video which talks about facts nd the way functions take in and process info. Rather than the characteristcs nd people 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌thaaaanx allot
great summary!
Still waiting eagerly for a video on Introverted Thinking like this one.
Great video! Awesome work as always!!
Are you planning on covering all of the cognitive functions in the near future?
I wouldnt say "near" future, but at some point. These videos take a lot of research for me as I like to spend a few days really bunkering down and reading and rereading the chapters about the function I'm doing. I did one on Ni a few months back as well. Yes though, eventually all eight will be done.
@@AsuraPsych Glad to read this! I gotta say this video gave me an understanding for Si and how Si-types experience the world in a way no one else have been able provide. You're Ni video is also soooo good and relatable, it's like when you explain it it all makes sense.
You're work is truly a gem!
@@AsuraPsych can u tell ur basic sources of sources that have good amount nd quality info. to dive into the cog. wrld
Vwry informative, I also get frustrated when I want to explain something I speak then I realizwd it's not what I wanted to say at all, or vert tangential.
Thankyou for this
Whaaat 😲 I thought that Se types (especially INTJs, I guess I got caught in the stereotype trap) of any form rationalize that subjective memory away for the sake of being 'realistic'. Instead you don't have that connection to begin with 😲 ...I mean yeah that makes much more sense in retrospective😅
That's a good way of putting it yeah. It simply just isnt perceived that way, Ni/Se types have that same subjective attachment to the intuitive world though which is why they often latch on to ideas and visions like an Si type would to an object or thing.
Thanks for watching!
@@AsuraPsych the idea of the type latching on to the something associated with their introverted perceiving function is something I hadn't thought about. That could be a good way to identify which perceiving axis someone uses. Do they latch on to objects or do they latch on to ideas and worldviews. It also suggests that the introverted perceiving function could be tied into their identity.
Such a beautiful explanation, im impressed ❤️
And btw, I'm an INFJ, married to an ISFJ, and we get along very well :)
is introverted sensation primarily rooted in the subjective element of 'instincts' and is therefore a derivative of primordial emotions? The function appears to have a homeostatic affect evoked by internal states (biological and psychic contents) that bend the stream of consciousness into a reflective layer concentrated in an agglomeration of stored reactions of an emotional magnitude.
Or should it remain as a distinct perceptive filter (as being more of a philosophy of the mind) rather than an emergent evolutionary construct (if that makes sense). I only ask because the collective unconscious appears to be linked to evolutionary biopsychology.
This is such a good video
Make a video about favourite movie genre of each personality type
That would be an interesting topic, maybe I will sometime haha
I second this idea.
For reference. As an INTP, i generally prefer science fiction and fantasy movies, movies based on true stories, and the occasional comedy (if it's a good one). Hate romance and horror movies.
@@AsuraPsych INTJs mostly enjoy Kubrick films.
I'd highly recommend these movies :
- Donnie Darko
- Clockwork Orange
- The Social Network
Asura, I remember you said that your girlfriend (ENFJ) focused on the memories or feelings when listening a song.
Does that relates to Introverted Sensing?
I'm asking this because I can see some of that aspects on me (INTJ) but I'm not completely like that.
@fluffleSings I think so
My dad was a hoarder who kept all my grandpas bronze trophies from formula one racing in the 60s and filled a trailer with items he bought from thrift stores. I've never typed him, but I'm fairly certain he was an introverted senser. Maybe even my type, ISFJ. But literally everyone hates him lol yikes
So, I do tend to keep my kid's childhood assignments and magnets for the places me and my family have visited. Will this mean I am not an INTJ because till now I used to think I am INTJ with Ni-Fi loop and Se grip.
I consider my self as an intj.... Yet i do have some of the topics he brought... I like drawing and i repeat movies and i have some things from my past but usually i dont use them or even notice them because i am future oriented.... Im confused.
I get the feeling that Si seems like sensory information after being, somewhat, judged by the sensor, which means is based on a previous database (self memory and cultural influencies).
It feels like sensing the world around with a previous script, attributing values to objects and persons....but wouldn't that be closer to some kind of judging function???
Hi quick question
. Do intjs think of the past if so how.
.do intjs compare information from the past
Hey there. INTJs can certainly think of the past, but they aren't likely to value it. INTJs tend to value the future and often see the past as something that either holds them back or is simply just unimportant.
Thanks for watching!
Your dad is an ESFJ, and you're INTJ... How did THAT go?...
Great video bro. Im sorry to ask this, your hair looks amazing and very interesting. Are you completely white or mixed race?
Mixed haha, father Puerto Rican, mother white
@@AsuraPsych how interesting. I could tell by the hair. Thanks for the cool video.
You're clearly an INTP ... I could see it without you telling me .... I'm ENFP.
This would be more helpful if it had practical examples.
Hello, Read about Chakras and the 3rd eye.
Ida and Pingala pathways of energy flow, I believe we INTJs use 6th chakra(Ajna), unlike other MBTI types that are comfortable with other chakras.
And that Ajna has 2 more parts to it, Ida, in front of Right brain (Imagination) || Pingala in front of Left brain (Sensing)
Through meditation, I've unlocked my 3rd eye (It doesn't come out but lets you feel your consciousness inside your body)
So what I did I become conscious of Pingala (Sensing) Nadi which I was not and I saw a complete shift in how I perceive the world, It was more vivid and beautiful, Things were more beautiful and Music felt like it's hitting every part of your body.
But It also felt like I've become a child by putting consciousness right now I'm practicing how to switch between those 2 modes quickly.
Also, I think you can be any type if you meditate long enough on the chakras each type use, For example, an ESFJ uses --
Fe (Throat Chakra) - Opt
Si ( Pingala ) - Pes
Ne( Crown Chakra, Child, and it's weak ) - Opt
Ti ( I'm not sure about it but I think it ) - Pes
Also, You'll notice your face will change based on where your consciousness is, And I believe there's more to our body and mind than MBTI.
So then everyone is unique and creative? This is either a flaw in Jung’s work or a misinterpretation of it. Because if this is true then Jung doesn’t account for the “vanilla” personality type that isn’t creative and isn’t unique and follows tradition and social expectation and considers hardwork and duty a virtue.
Your negative association with those traits neglects the potential creativity of such types. Just because someone is hardworking and values duty does not mean they are vanilla or cant change the world. Many of histories most influential people were of such traits. An INTJ can be boring and an ESFJ can be creative. The cognition differs. Not every ISTJ is a tradition loving beurocrat. Some are leaders and producers, say for example Jeff Bezos, who is considered by many to be an ISTJ.
Types determine cognition, not potential. It's very important to remember this.
AsuraPsych it’s not negative association. We need Si doms, they are better equipped to deal with certain aspects of life. But to take their weakest quality(creativity) and highlight it in an essay as their strength is illogical. They have the potential as every human does, to be creative. They can do this if they develop an Ne. Si on its own though is not creativity. If it is, then it’s a contradiction in Jung’s work as I said since it fails to accommodate the non-creative or the low creativity type. This contradiction is extremely important to address for your model to make sense.
AsuraPsych type determines cognition and cognition determines creative potential. If this is not so then why do we observe far more __FP creative types and much fewer __SJ? Is this a false observation? The whole model falls apart with this video.
@@TheHermit91 Hermit Stargazer Si types have a great capacity for art, as Jung stated. Their ability to interact and be inspired by the sensory world allows them to have a unuiqe interpretation of it.
Low creative types will typically be STJ and NTJ, not SJs overall. Even then though STJs will still enjoy creating systems for optimization (E.g. Bezos again who has created the most routine and effective shopping platform on the planet).
Valuing work and seeing it as a virtue is far more related to Te. You aren't likely to find ExTJs in the arts.
People discredit Si far too much. People who tend to be creative tend to have Ne/Si in their stack somewhere, whether high or low. This axis is the one associated with creative production. High Ne types tend to enjoy more abstract arts and things that are less on the sensory side. Si types tend to lean towards sensory activities like painting or music, or in the case of the SiTe type, things like artistic categorization (take for example someone who draws and records animal life in great detail, like a biologist). Is that not considered creative to you? If it is not, then our definitions of creative dont match.
Creativiness isnt the weakest quality of the Si type. Si types aren't known for wild creativity like intuitive types but their creativity still exists. The typical weakness of Si is their preference for the known compared to the unknown, which is what leads them to - sometimes - be very traditionalist.
Do you think that a majority of the worlds best musicians are intuitive types? Types that have a low connection with the sensory experience? You might find intuitives to be more likely to break the boundaries of music (Lady Gaga, etc.) But a huge majority of the worlds music is likely produced by sensing types, many of them Si.
This video wasnt an essay on the creative potential of Si, it was made to hopefully counter the blatant intuitive bias most of the community has because of their misunderstanding and misinterpretation of Jung.
AsuraPsych thanks for the detailed rational response. As I see you leave room for the SJ’s tendency to be traditional and following familiar paths, I have no problems with your theory. It was only that you highlighted their creative potential as one of their main qualities that agitated me because it didn’t fit the archetype. But I see now that your intent was to bring out the lesser talked about potential of the SJ type in a world of intuitive bias. Completely makes sense. I’m assuming you’re INFJ because that seems like a very INFJ thing to do. I’m INTP and I approached your video from a different standpoint looking for an objective analysis of Si equally highlighting all the characteristics so it can paint a clear picture of it in my head. And you’re right I have a bias towards groundbreaking creativity and all the art I’m inspired by usually comes from intuitive types. I have hardly ever enjoyed the art of an SJ type. But maybe in a broader meaning of the term, creativity does apply to SJs as a collection of coins is also creative as is the generic pop song made out of a break up(Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande). Maybe the term that I was looking for is innovation more than creativity. Si types lack innovation, new ways of doing things, and that’s not me undermining them. My way of being fair to SJs and fighting the intuitive bias is by highlighting the fact that certain aspects of the world need to be dealt with in a non-creative, risk free way where the Ni or Ne approach will fail. Random example: An Ne dom trying to learn to play guitar has a problem as his mind keeps on running from one idea to another without settling down and fully mastering the basic techniques. This is where they learn the value of Si as they need to let go of that Ne to be able to repetitively play the same generic things again and again to master technique.