I’m thinking Brock’s. Watched his vids and he’s talking some weird stuff. Watch the z900 video and zx10R Installs power commander on bikes… Why?? 2wheel actually knows what he’s talking about.
I am new to motorcycle tuning. I own an R3 with a LV full exhaust system. I do not require any fancy tuning; I simply want to ensure that the bike is safe to ride. I contacted several shops, but none of them inspired confidence that they could properly tune my bike. Then I watched 2WDW's video, which revealed the lengthy process required to tune a bike correctly. That video convinced me that 2WDW is a company that does what it says it will do. I have ordered my tune and hardware, and I am eagerly awaiting their arrival.
If the stock o2 sensor is still in place the bike is fine because the ECU's have learning algorithms in them to keep the bike in tune. It's another massive myth that any exhaust upgrade must have a tune or the bike will be destroyed.
@@MrBCRC He has a good video about how to destroy a bike where someone left a baffle in a zx6r and tracked the hell out of it until things started melting in the exhaust. But basically the way I see it is: the harder you ride it, the more you need it tuned for what you have. Swapping the slip-on or playing with baffles for normal riding isn't such a big deal. But if the bike lives at the track and is constantly pinned... yeah you might want it tuned and listen to his advice of not having a baffle in to block exhaust and cause crazy heat buildup.
the fact that you make these kinds of videos and explain stuff warrants my support and trust. it establishes a connection between customer and tuner and i thank you for that. i will flash with you when i can afford to make the jump. for now i will continue to watch your videos and learn, it’s a lot of fun and i always remember to like the video 😊 don’t ever change, i appreciate the details! (P.S. is it worth flashing, modding the air box, getting some v stacks, and a better air filter on a Ninja 400; that is used as an all-in-one daily commuter and backcountry twisties toy?)
I got my Gen 6 ZX-10R tune by 2WDW. I love it and my quick shifter and auto blipper are butter smooth perfect. A buddy of mine has a 23' zx-10R hat he got a Bren tune. and the difference is night and day. There is no comparison between the two.everyone should have two wheel dynoworks tune their bikes.
I second this, I have sent 3 Kawasaki ECU's to Nate, and all 3 bikes are absolute cruise missiles and butter smooth. You can't even compare to the Bren, Moore, Brocks or Local tunning, there is no comparison, 2WDW or leave it stock.
When I got my '23 ZX-4RR, Nate was developing the tune for it, day by day. I sent in my ECU, and got the bike derestricted. It was instantly better. In a very short period of time, he had two newer revisions that solved some problems people were having. The beauty of the 2WDW ECU flash is that as revisions come out, all you have to do is send in your ECU, and it'll get the latest, greatest, free of charge. Absolutely top notch.
That Ecu is a dragrace ecu as you can see. There is some tricks to lower your 60ft by manipulate the trottle response. Dragraces don't use low and midrange rpm... You can't compare Circuit and Dragrace tune.
@@subzero-ku2wx it's drama. You can drive bad shops out of business without giving them attention. Just promote and spend money with good ones. You are just looking for someone to take out all your life's frustrations on
@@future62 lol It helps the customers and the community in general if subpar work is being performed. This does provide accountability and allows the tuner doing the subpar work to acknowledge the criticism and respond appropriately. If anything, the thinly veiled allusions seem to be causing speculation about multiple popular tuners, thus creating more drama. Pretty strange how you're not into holding folks accountable.
@@subzero-ku2wx It's not. Accountability is important for your own actions, not someone else's. Also, read some more comments, people in this comment section have said that the tune looks to be a drag racing tune. Is it dumb to tune a road bike with a drag racing setup when the owner doesn't intend to go to the drag strip? Yes. Is it ok to shit on a person for that? No. Besides, a lawsuit won't be good for the dude making this video either. Also, the customer is not always right. If the owner didn't know what he wanted done to the bike and he asked for the bike to be straight line fast then a drag setup would click with the tuner. A road going motorcycle should be made to work optimally everywhere, yes, but you can't just go around asking for shit you don't understand and expect the results you have in your own imagination. And lastly, there's a fine line between exposal and defamation, especially in the court of law.
So far youve tuned my 2016 & 2020 Zx10R, my 09 ZX6R, my 23' ZX4RR... Youll also get my exu from my 21' ZX6R and ill be grabbing your velocity stacks for the newer gen. You've literally never missed and I've been more than happy every single time. I constantly point ppl in your direction. Idk why ppl go anywhere else
I have no problem spending money on you guys, as you've capably explained and demonstrated what proper tuning is all about. But for my own sake, it sure would be nice to have names of crap tuners.
I agree with you, as a customer I’d like to know who to stay away from. I had my 22 zx10r flashed bike BT Moto I’m not exactly happy with the flash. Telling my wife I spent 1200 bucks on their BS tune now have to send it in to another tuner and have it done right ya she’s ain’t going for it. I’ll worry about having it flashed right once I can afford a full system exhaust. I get why u won’t throw names out there but would really open our eyes as to who to stay away from. Just because they have a big following on YT don’t mean shit. STAY AWAY FROM BT MOTO! What a waste of my hard earned money
@@Lyrethar All I know about them is they were being spoken about a lot years ago on 650ib channel for modifying European brand ECU. Initially I had an interest in the 650 channel, but the sort of interest you have watching a train wreck. Got very tired of people flaunting their wealth, endangering public, and shilling products and shops.
I agree, but disparaging others in the same field as one is in shows poor character. It takes ALOT to not do this, trust me, as a small business owner, I know.
I flew over to Washington last year and hand carried my ECU for my 23' ZX-10R (didn't tell him my youtube name at the time) and met Nate and Pat who were very professional. Nate sat me down and showed me the garbage map/tune I got from a tuner in LA in California. Nate was so kind enough to show me that there was literally nothing done by the tuner who at the time guaranteed me that they were going to put in their race tune which they had on one of their race bikes. This was utter lies and my bike ran like crap, they told me to come in for a dyno tune to sort it out which I knew was a whole bunch of BS. Luckily I did my research and found 2wdw. My videos on my channel of me carving the canyons ever so smoothly is based off of their tune! Since July of 2023 my bike was amazing with 2wdw tune. Currently have 3000 miles on it and no problems what so ever. The only thing I can say about their current map is I feel that it would need the throttle by wire mapping adjusted a bit more. Cracking the throttle open on 2nd or 3rd gear when coming out of a corner can at times give more fuel and make the bike feel a little jerky. I do ride it on Full power mode and at low TC setting. I also run the graves throttle tube that makes it lose the massive play that the OEM throttle tube provides. Other than this I have had no issues. Maybe there is version 2.0 provided for their existing customers 🙂coming soon!
Yep my bike does the same with the on and off throttle. I did not have that issue with the BT Moto flash. Switched to woolich, now the bike has a twitchy throttle and horrible shifts.
@@throttletube That’s not an option I’d like to go down as I already have a large investment in tuning hardware/software for my gsxr750. I’d like to get someone that can run it on the dyno with my stuff as I don’t want my ECU locked. I was planning on taking it to Motorsport exotica. Yay or nay?
Can't recommend them as they are the ones who said will flash and put their map. Ran like garbage, the AFR was so rich and my shifts were horrendous. 2wdw showed me a comparison on the bench. Night and day difference. My ZX-10R runs like a champ 🏆 now. Good luck
Recently got my '23 ZX10R ECU tuned by Nate and 2WDW. I couldn't be happier with how much better it runs absolutely everywhere. They tune the bikes to run better in the real world on the street and on the track. I did get my '18 ZX10R tuned by another "famous youtube tuner" and to be completely honest on the throttle response and my "seat of the pants" dyno it was pretty good but..... it basically made the quick shifter useless. I did email the "famous tuner" about the issue and never got a response. Nate and 2WDW will be getting all my tuning business without hesitation. Keep yourselves safe! 😃👍❤🏍🏁 Randy
And for this reason, I am so excited to send my ECU off to you guys next week. I was so worried about sending my ECU off to be flashed and not actually tuned on a dyno incase the air fuel was off. I can’t wait to throw my SC Project CRT on and see what this bike should really feel like. Thank you for taking time to show us why you guys are the best. It makes me so much more comfortable knowing the person tuning my $18k bike knows what he is doing.
Totally agree. If one is going to ride any motorcycle on the street, one should always take the time and effort to learn how the tuning tables work, especially higher horsepower motorcycles. The street is not a clean surface track. Tracks go through excruciating pains to ensure the track surface is completely clean. There are a lot of "marbles" and oil to deal with on street surfaces and tuning proper throttle response and braking should be a very high priority.
The first thing that comes to mind on these new bikes is that there're throttle by wire. My bike is a 2010 and uses a cable for throttle. It's tuned, and is simply a stage 1 set up. I race other bigger bore stage 4 bikes and my tuned 96 stays right with them or outruns them. Mechanical is one thing, but good tuning is everything. The throttle by wire is way to sketchy for me. Far too much delay and very poor responce times. For performance, old school cable throttle, in my opinion is still the best.
Already know who you're talking about 😅😅🤣🤣😅🤣i see alot of people pushing his tunes, but ive never went with it for several reasons, the biggest reason is because this tuner basically only goes in STRAIGHT LINES, meaning from 0 yo wide open throttle 🤔🤔🤔 knowing this fact, i knew he does NOTHING in between 0 and wide open, but if your racing, in circles or around curves and wide open, you need the whole band to be dealt with, anyways im very glad someone has been able to call this nonsense out, because these tunes by people whom are straight line tuners or utube con artists, will get someone killed at best. And to the people reading this, if your guessing the tuner by name or have got your bike tyned already, then i would suggest that you guessed right and to get your bike tuned by someone whom actually RACES on a track. Great video brother and thanks
Yeah I'm pretty sure I know who the previous tuner was. I won't name names, either. Suffice it to say that if you are going to have tuning done, get a shop with a roadracing background to do it. Skip the drag racing and straight-line shops.
I have a 2017 GSX R1000R. With the M4 full exhaust, and just a street K&N filter. I went ahead and sent my ECU in to Moore. I got the ECU back, and I’m not real happy. It was re flashed with a custom map, and restrictions unlocked, and I was so excited to get my ECU back. Right off the bat, the bike was running so rich. Reeked of fuel, and when you revved it, and let off the throttle, the bike would die soon as it went to idle. Like it was just being flooded. Only getting between 60 and 80 miles on a full tank. Can’t even ride with anyone because we can’t go too far out without a gas station being close by. I don’t want to say Moore is at fault completely, because it wasn’t dynoed, and maybe the map that was put on my ECU wasn’t an exact match. They say they try to get the closest map on your ECU through dynos that other customers have gotten, with similar upgrades or the same upgrades as you have got. I was told I can send my ECU back in them to try and fix the problems I face. However that costs money. And I could be sending and resending my ECU back to them multiple times to try and get it perfected. That’s going to cost a lot of money, and down time. And even then it may never be perfected, especially because it’s not dynoed to my specific bike. So now I’m left wondering what to do. Should I find a reputable dyno shop in my area, that may or may not know what they are doing, like what‘a depicted in this video? Or should I send my ECU in to this company and get it reflashed?
There are crooks and incompetent people in every walk of life. They’re worst where the customer has no way to know what should be happening. Like doctors. The last few years, doctors “tuning” of people’s bodies and health has been analogous to this “tuners” work.
I’m very pleased with the tune you flashed on my ‘22 Versys 1000. Got rid of the twitchy throttle! It’s much easier to do low speed maneuvers now. Bike pulls hard all the way to redline. Before it seemed like the last few thousand rpms were only for noise.
I'd agree. Got my BMW and Aprilia from tuners who spent hours perfecting them (RS2E and gabro). There's too much work involved to do it all on a dyno alone, so the base map has to be good to start with.
I got my bike tuned on a dyno with powercomander. It puffed smoke (unburnt fuel) and drank fuel (2 litres per tank worse off). I changed the oil at around 1500 miles and it stank of fuel! And I mean stank! I decided to buy a map from a reputable tuner and when I loaded the current dyno map the was a ton of fuel added all over the place compared to the new map! New map has the same gains but fuel economy back to normal and no excessive fuel dilution in the oil! Imagine I was changing the oil at recommended miles
Just wondering why the lack of Honda Tunes on your website. 18 to 24 CB1000r greatly benefits from tuning. Is there something about these bikes that you choose not to tune them or is it just because you haven't got your hands on them to tune.
I used to tune 2 strokes and make expansion chambers way back and hardly ever used a dyno. I had markers painted on the side of a road for 3rd gear roll on at 5500 rpm and check the rpm at the next marker to test mid range. 2nd gear from 5500 and hard thru the gears to a marker for top speed. 1st gear power launch and hard thru the gears to the same top speed marker As well as daily riding for a week or so to get part throttle settings right. Then, and only then, if I thought it was worth it I'd have it dyno'd just to see the true power curve but they ALWAYS changed the main jets which was totally un necessary as it never gained anything more than maybe 1bhp and upset the part throttle in the process, which they never test, dyno runs there were always full throttle.
I dig the OG tuning method. Pretty rad. If you get a tune on a dyno make sure they are using a load bearing dyno. If not, they can’t properly tune part throttle.
@@kaleb97045 It wasn't rad at the time Kaleb it was about the only way to do it with anything like a "scientific" method. My nearest dyno at the time was over 100 miles away and as we both agree a lot of them won't bother with part throttle. I found real world tuning better, obviously I made mistakes, everyone does including dyno workshops
It’s not the dyno it’s the tuner that determines if it’s tuned right or not. Lots of tuners want to hand you a paper with huge gains on it instead of tuning the bike to perfection. A good tuner can get it closer with a dyno simulating diffrent loads.
I wonder if you are working with anyone in Australia? Sending your ECU to U.S is too time consuming and risky. But if you have someone in Australia that has the access to your data and experience I would be interested.
My Ecu is on its way to you.. I'm excited to feel what my bike is supposed to feel like with a proper tune. Current tune was supposedly flashed/tuned on a dyno by a shop in LA.
I'm super hyped that I brought my bike to y'all. After seeing the past projects and showing how wrongly tuned a bike can be and how much more the bike can be enhanced with the tuning y'all provide.
Just posted about buying my zx10r and multiple guys recommended you and this video absolutely has me sold. I know nothing about messing around with electronics minus exactly what you mentioned which is going over to dyno and saying "make better please" and your experience on the zx10r sounds like it's going to be worth every cent. The most exciting revelation from this video is that KEBC is tuneable, brought a tear to my eye knowing you can make that better hahaha.
The only issue with mail in ecu flashes you can’t get the best tune. They leave a little on the table to be safe. The reason is not all engines are the same.
I don't recommend necessarily associating dyno tuning in and of itself with bad tuning. If the person collecting the data and doing the resultant tuning isn't competent as well as a bit of an artist with a sixth sense for "what an engine wants", he can have multiple dynamometers and the results will be poor.
That’s why I chose you guys I love my bike and it awesome to ride and pulls so hard also done by you guys 2 months ago you or so. Thanks G.L from Towson Maryland . S’more mafia sounds familiar issues and there so expensive
if only yall were able to support the triumph daytona moto2 outside sending the bike across the country. Such a trustworthy legit tuner! (do you remote tune?)
Dang Buddy you have a great sales Tactic here…he does she does is cheap speech here you showed no proof of your tunes on a Dyno .😅and your customer complaining about the Dyno tune being wrong is Bullshit because he gets to take his bike for a ride after the service and comes back to give his report of any issues he felt with it and the tuner will make adjustments per his complaint..I will bet my Bike he did a mail in ecu flash and they are never 💯 correct…if you weren’t all the way in Washington I would Love to have you re Dyno my GSXR to see if you truly can make it any better than I already have from a top tuner in the Bike World..I did enjoy watching your Rant..👊🏼💯
@@dhess34 For some bikes Nate explained to me there are risk for mail-in (Fail Write/Bricked ECU) when tuning it . Such as my 2018 S1000R, He stated Woolich software works 90 Percent of the time and if anything goes wrong Nate would need the bike in person to recover it. If the bike isn't near it would be very complicated to bring it back to life.
Do you have a tune available for a 2003 Honda CBR1100 Super Blackbird with D&D exhaust? I picked this one up last year that has a Power Commander on it, but I’m not convinced it runs to its potential. Just doesn’t pull like I think it should, though it sounds great.
Hi from the uk Great video just glad I'm an old fart now none of my bikes have electronic injection just the old fashioned atmospheric injectocarbs. It must be frustrating for you to see big names pro.ising the earth and giving g nothing Keep up the good work
I got my bike dyno tuned from you guys a couple years ago but I never received the dyno chart when I asked for it. Would you still have that on file? Thanks
Damn! Can you please cut the video from 10:38 and post that as a separate video. The dyno only tune without starting from a pre-prepared flash is a huge source of people being scammed and people trying to argue against it need as much reference material as we can get. There's no way a tuner starting from scratch with the bike in their hands for less than a day can go through all the maps and tune them properly.
Its interesting to note that the limitations of dyno tuning is why Formula 1 at the high end levels do their tuning and testing on a full rolling road dyno, in a wind tunnel, so they're actually driving the car under as close to natural conditions as possible and at speed, so there's no surprises when you hit that turn at triple digit speed in turn traffic.
He did called out Brocks Davidson Tuning with the power commander Piggy back and ECU flash, Which I dont understand why someone would do that. This zx10r could Moore Mafia considering Moore Uses Woolich on many of his vids and Moore is pretty famous.
@pimpinkin87 Horsepower equals torque multiplied by rpm, divided by 5252. So, it follows that at 5252 rpm, one more Horsepower requires one more foot/pound of torque; at 10504 rpm 6 more Horsepower requires 3 more foot/pounds of torque. I hope this is helpful.
Scammer tuners should be called out by name.
Has to be Moore
I’m thinking Brock’s. Watched his vids and he’s talking some weird stuff. Watch the z900 video and zx10R Installs power commander on bikes… Why?? 2wheel actually knows what he’s talking about.
@@jasonjohnson6594 yeah that's who i assumed lol
@@jasonjohnson6594can’t be him….he even said race their bikes…Chris races his bike so it can’t be them dudes
At least City & State would help.
That kind of tuning is done by drag racers. It is NOT the same as roadracing nor street riding
I am new to motorcycle tuning. I own an R3 with a LV full exhaust system. I do not require any fancy tuning; I simply want to ensure that the bike is safe to ride. I contacted several shops, but none of them inspired confidence that they could properly tune my bike. Then I watched 2WDW's video, which revealed the lengthy process required to tune a bike correctly. That video convinced me that 2WDW is a company that does what it says it will do. I have ordered my tune and hardware, and I am eagerly awaiting their arrival.
If the stock o2 sensor is still in place the bike is fine because the ECU's have learning algorithms in them to keep the bike in tune. It's another massive myth that any exhaust upgrade must have a tune or the bike will be destroyed.
@@MrBCRCSome will, but not all, fact.
@@MrBCRC He has a good video about how to destroy a bike where someone left a baffle in a zx6r and tracked the hell out of it until things started melting in the exhaust. But basically the way I see it is: the harder you ride it, the more you need it tuned for what you have. Swapping the slip-on or playing with baffles for normal riding isn't such a big deal. But if the bike lives at the track and is constantly pinned... yeah you might want it tuned and listen to his advice of not having a baffle in to block exhaust and cause crazy heat buildup.
the fact that you make these kinds of videos and explain stuff warrants my support and trust. it establishes a connection between customer and tuner and i thank you for that. i will flash with you when i can afford to make the jump. for now i will continue to watch your videos and learn, it’s a lot of fun and i always remember to like the video 😊 don’t ever change, i appreciate the details!
(P.S. is it worth flashing, modding the air box, getting some v stacks, and a better air filter on a Ninja 400; that is used as an all-in-one daily commuter and backcountry twisties toy?)
No, it’s not worth it. Go do a track day instead.
Definitely worth it with air filter exhaust and flash. If you have the cash to spend. They’re a great bike.
I got my Gen 6 ZX-10R tune by 2WDW. I love it and my quick shifter and auto blipper are butter smooth perfect.
A buddy of mine has a 23' zx-10R hat he got a Bren tune. and the difference is night and day.
There is no comparison between the two.everyone should have two wheel dynoworks tune their bikes.
I second this, I have sent 3 Kawasaki ECU's to Nate, and all 3 bikes are absolute cruise missiles and butter smooth. You can't even compare to the Bren, Moore, Brocks or Local tunning, there is no comparison, 2WDW or leave it stock.
When I got my '23 ZX-4RR, Nate was developing the tune for it, day by day. I sent in my ECU, and got the bike derestricted. It was instantly better. In a very short period of time, he had two newer revisions that solved some problems people were having. The beauty of the 2WDW ECU flash is that as revisions come out, all you have to do is send in your ECU, and it'll get the latest, greatest, free of charge. Absolutely top notch.
Thank you for being real. A lot of fake tuners, ripping people off.
That Ecu is a dragrace ecu as you can see. There is some tricks to lower your 60ft by manipulate the trottle response. Dragraces don't use low and midrange rpm... You can't compare Circuit and Dragrace tune.
I was thinking that as I drag race also. My whole bike set up is totally different than my friends that road race.
people NOT saying which shops are providing fkd up tunes/dynos IS the problem. If you want to help, tell the public whos putting out dog💩services.
Not really. Just send your ECU to 2WDW. Do your own research if you really need to. Some of y'all are addicted to drama
@@future62It's not drama. It's accountability.
@@subzero-ku2wx it's drama. You can drive bad shops out of business without giving them attention. Just promote and spend money with good ones. You are just looking for someone to take out all your life's frustrations on
@@future62 lol It helps the customers and the community in general if subpar work is being performed. This does provide accountability and allows the tuner doing the subpar work to acknowledge the criticism and respond appropriately. If anything, the thinly veiled allusions seem to be causing speculation about multiple popular tuners, thus creating more drama. Pretty strange how you're not into holding folks accountable.
@@subzero-ku2wx It's not. Accountability is important for your own actions, not someone else's. Also, read some more comments, people in this comment section have said that the tune looks to be a drag racing tune. Is it dumb to tune a road bike with a drag racing setup when the owner doesn't intend to go to the drag strip? Yes. Is it ok to shit on a person for that? No. Besides, a lawsuit won't be good for the dude making this video either. Also, the customer is not always right. If the owner didn't know what he wanted done to the bike and he asked for the bike to be straight line fast then a drag setup would click with the tuner. A road going motorcycle should be made to work optimally everywhere, yes, but you can't just go around asking for shit you don't understand and expect the results you have in your own imagination.
And lastly, there's a fine line between exposal and defamation, especially in the court of law.
So far youve tuned my 2016 & 2020 Zx10R, my 09 ZX6R, my 23' ZX4RR... Youll also get my exu from my 21' ZX6R and ill be grabbing your velocity stacks for the newer gen. You've literally never missed and I've been more than happy every single time. I constantly point ppl in your direction. Idk why ppl go anywhere else
I have no problem spending money on you guys, as you've capably explained and demonstrated what proper tuning is all about. But for my own sake, it sure would be nice to have names of crap tuners.
Opens them to liability from lawsuits. They should at least hint at the names though: rhymes with 'XYZ'
I agree with you, as a customer I’d like to know who to stay away from. I had my 22 zx10r flashed bike BT Moto I’m not exactly happy with the flash. Telling my wife I spent 1200 bucks on their BS tune now have to send it in to another tuner and have it done right ya she’s ain’t going for it. I’ll worry about having it flashed right once I can afford a full system exhaust.
I get why u won’t throw names out there but would really open our eyes as to who to stay away from.
Just because they have a big following on YT don’t mean shit.
STAY AWAY FROM BT MOTO!
What a waste of my hard earned money
@@Lyrethar All I know about them is they were being spoken about a lot years ago on 650ib channel for modifying European brand ECU. Initially I had an interest in the 650 channel, but the sort of interest you have watching a train wreck. Got very tired of people flaunting their wealth, endangering public, and shilling products and shops.
I agree, but disparaging others in the same field as one is in shows poor character. It takes ALOT to not do this, trust me, as a small business owner, I know.
@@Lyrethar a flash with no exhaust? 🤔
I flew over to Washington last year and hand carried my ECU for my 23' ZX-10R (didn't tell him my youtube name at the time) and met Nate and Pat who were very professional. Nate sat me down and showed me the garbage map/tune I got from a tuner in LA in California. Nate was so kind enough to show me that there was literally nothing done by the tuner who at the time guaranteed me that they were going to put in their race tune which they had on one of their race bikes. This was utter lies and my bike ran like crap, they told me to come in for a dyno tune to sort it out which I knew was a whole bunch of BS. Luckily I did my research and found 2wdw. My videos on my channel of me carving the canyons ever so smoothly is based off of their tune! Since July of 2023 my bike was amazing with 2wdw tune. Currently have 3000 miles on it and no problems what so ever.
The only thing I can say about their current map is I feel that it would need the throttle by wire mapping adjusted a bit more. Cracking the throttle open on 2nd or 3rd gear when coming out of a corner can at times give more fuel and make the bike feel a little jerky. I do ride it on Full power mode and at low TC setting. I also run the graves throttle tube that makes it lose the massive play that the OEM throttle tube provides. Other than this I have had no issues. Maybe there is version 2.0 provided for their existing customers 🙂coming soon!
Yep my bike does the same with the on and off throttle. I did not have that issue with the BT Moto flash. Switched to woolich, now the bike has a twitchy throttle and horrible shifts.
Can you name the tuner that you went to? I live in socal and have been planning on getting my bike tuned in the near future.
@@BeginnerMoto save your money and stick to the ECU map from 2wdw.
@@throttletube That’s not an option I’d like to go down as I already have a large investment in tuning hardware/software for my gsxr750. I’d like to get someone that can run it on the dyno with my stuff as I don’t want my ECU locked. I was planning on taking it to Motorsport exotica. Yay or nay?
Can't recommend them as they are the ones who said will flash and put their map. Ran like garbage, the AFR was so rich and my shifts were horrendous. 2wdw showed me a comparison on the bench. Night and day difference. My ZX-10R runs like a champ 🏆 now. Good luck
Recently got my '23 ZX10R ECU tuned by Nate and 2WDW. I couldn't be happier with
how much better it runs absolutely everywhere. They tune the bikes to run better in
the real world on the street and on the track. I did get my '18 ZX10R tuned by another
"famous youtube tuner" and to be completely honest on the throttle response and my
"seat of the pants" dyno it was pretty good but..... it basically made the quick shifter
useless. I did email the "famous tuner" about the issue and never got a response. Nate
and 2WDW will be getting all my tuning business without hesitation.
Keep yourselves safe! 😃👍❤🏍🏁
Randy
If Nate every figures out that it's rpm and not rpms he'll become unstoppable.
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And for this reason, I am so excited to send my ECU off to you guys next week. I was so worried about sending my ECU off to be flashed and not actually tuned on a dyno incase the air fuel was off. I can’t wait to throw my SC Project CRT on and see what this bike should really feel like. Thank you for taking time to show us why you guys are the best. It makes me so much more comfortable knowing the person tuning my $18k bike knows what he is doing.
Totally agree. If one is going to ride any motorcycle on the street, one should always take the time and effort to learn how the tuning tables work, especially higher horsepower motorcycles. The street is not a clean surface track. Tracks go through excruciating pains to ensure the track surface is completely clean. There are a lot of "marbles" and oil to deal with on street surfaces and tuning proper throttle response and braking should be a very high priority.
The first thing that comes to mind on these new bikes is that there're throttle by wire. My bike is a 2010 and uses a cable for throttle. It's tuned, and is simply a stage 1 set up. I race other bigger bore stage 4 bikes and my tuned 96 stays right with them or outruns them. Mechanical is one thing, but good tuning is everything. The throttle by wire is way to sketchy for me. Far too much delay and very poor responce times. For performance, old school cable throttle, in my opinion is still the best.
Drag racing tune comes to mind....call/speak to the guy who did the tune...otherwise your just glaming
Already know who you're talking about 😅😅🤣🤣😅🤣i see alot of people pushing his tunes, but ive never went with it for several reasons, the biggest reason is because this tuner basically only goes in STRAIGHT LINES, meaning from 0 yo wide open throttle 🤔🤔🤔 knowing this fact, i knew he does NOTHING in between 0 and wide open, but if your racing, in circles or around curves and wide open, you need the whole band to be dealt with, anyways im very glad someone has been able to call this nonsense out, because these tunes by people whom are straight line tuners or utube con artists, will get someone killed at best.
And to the people reading this, if your guessing the tuner by name or have got your bike tyned already, then i would suggest that you guessed right and to get your bike tuned by someone whom actually RACES on a track.
Great video brother and thanks
Yeah I'm pretty sure I know who the previous tuner was. I won't name names, either. Suffice it to say that if you are going to have tuning done, get a shop with a roadracing background to do it. Skip the drag racing and straight-line shops.
Oh come on someone say the name
I have a 2017 GSX R1000R. With the M4 full exhaust, and just a street K&N filter. I went ahead and sent my ECU in to Moore. I got the ECU back, and I’m not real happy. It was re flashed with a custom map, and restrictions unlocked, and I was so excited to get my ECU back.
Right off the bat, the bike was running so rich. Reeked of fuel, and when you revved it, and let off the throttle, the bike would die soon as it went to idle. Like it was just being flooded. Only getting between 60 and 80 miles on a full tank. Can’t even ride with anyone because we can’t go too far out without a gas station being close by.
I don’t want to say Moore is at fault completely, because it wasn’t dynoed, and maybe the map that was put on my ECU wasn’t an exact match. They say they try to get the closest map on your ECU through dynos that other customers have gotten, with similar upgrades or the same upgrades as you have got. I was told I can send my ECU back in them to try and fix the problems I face. However that costs money. And I could be sending and resending my ECU back to them multiple times to try and get it perfected. That’s going to cost a lot of money, and down time. And even then it may never be perfected, especially because it’s not dynoed to my specific bike. So now I’m left wondering what to do. Should I find a reputable dyno shop in my area, that may or may not know what they are doing, like what‘a depicted in this video? Or should I send my ECU in to this company and get it reflashed?
There are crooks and incompetent people in every walk of life.
They’re worst where the customer has no way to know what should be happening.
Like doctors.
The last few years, doctors “tuning” of people’s bodies and health has been analogous to this “tuners” work.
Was hoping this video was my friends R1 ECU that TOCE fried lol
I’m very pleased with the tune you flashed on my ‘22 Versys 1000. Got rid of the twitchy throttle! It’s much easier to do low speed maneuvers now. Bike pulls hard all the way to redline. Before it seemed like the last few thousand rpms were only for noise.
I'd agree. Got my BMW and Aprilia from tuners who spent hours perfecting them (RS2E and gabro). There's too much work involved to do it all on a dyno alone, so the base map has to be good to start with.
I got my bike tuned on a dyno with powercomander. It puffed smoke (unburnt fuel) and drank fuel (2 litres per tank worse off). I changed the oil at around 1500 miles and it stank of fuel! And I mean stank! I decided to buy a map from a reputable tuner and when I loaded the current dyno map the was a ton of fuel added all over the place compared to the new map! New map has the same gains but fuel economy back to normal and no excessive fuel dilution in the oil! Imagine I was changing the oil at recommended miles
i've always spoken good about 2WDW.. but where's my stickers Nate?!
I visited there shop last week on saturday. They had one final sticker and I got it :D
@@FunwithNick bastard!
Just wondering why the lack of Honda Tunes on your website. 18 to 24 CB1000r greatly benefits from tuning. Is there something about these bikes that you choose not to tune them or is it just because you haven't got your hands on them to tune.
I used to tune 2 strokes and make expansion chambers way back and hardly ever used a dyno. I had markers painted on the side of a road for
3rd gear roll on at 5500 rpm and check the rpm at the next marker to test mid range.
2nd gear from 5500 and hard thru the gears to a marker for top speed.
1st gear power launch and hard thru the gears to the same top speed marker
As well as daily riding for a week or so to get part throttle settings right.
Then, and only then, if I thought it was worth it I'd have it dyno'd just to see the true power curve but they ALWAYS changed the main jets which was totally un necessary as it never gained anything more than maybe 1bhp and upset the part throttle in the process, which they never test, dyno runs there were always full throttle.
I dig the OG tuning method. Pretty rad. If you get a tune on a dyno make sure they are using a load bearing dyno. If not, they can’t properly tune part throttle.
@@kaleb97045 It wasn't rad at the time Kaleb it was about the only way to do it with anything like a "scientific" method. My nearest dyno at the time was over 100 miles away and as we both agree a lot of them won't bother with part throttle. I found real world tuning better, obviously I made mistakes, everyone does including dyno workshops
It’s not the dyno it’s the tuner that determines if it’s tuned right or not. Lots of tuners want to hand you a paper with huge gains on it instead of tuning the bike to perfection.
A good tuner can get it closer with a dyno simulating diffrent loads.
How do you feel about the tunes that come from DIMSPORT with their RapidBike EVO modules?
If anyone ever questions Nate's knowledge of a ZX10, I have personally seen him at a racetrack with a ZX10. Both 2WDW and him know this bike well.
I wonder if you are working with anyone in Australia? Sending your ECU to U.S is too time consuming and risky. But if you have someone in Australia that has the access to your data and experience I would be interested.
I’ve got a 24 RR ECU coming in soon which I almost guarantee has this same issue. Dyno tuned, jumpy on low end throttle and bucks on auto blips
My Ecu is on its way to you.. I'm excited to feel what my bike is supposed to feel like with a proper tune. Current tune was supposedly flashed/tuned on a dyno by a shop in LA.
word of advice: get your flashes almost from 2WDW
so get it from 1WDW? That's almost 2WDW
Okay, I respect you not lamblasting your competition, but can you answer me this question... Have you ever had to re-do, or fix a flash by Vcyclenut?
He is NOT going to answer this.... and THIS is one reason my respect for him is extremely high.
@@4DZCHere you go again, discouraging honesty and transparency, labeling it as some sort of stoic loyalty.
@@subzero-ku2wx lol.. uhm, ok
@@4DZC Thoughtless.
@@subzero-ku2wx 😆
I'm super hyped that I brought my bike to y'all. After seeing the past projects and showing how wrongly tuned a bike can be and how much more the bike can be enhanced with the tuning y'all provide.
Do you sell a hand held device to load a tune ? Rathethan send and receive ecu.
Just posted about buying my zx10r and multiple guys recommended you and this video absolutely has me sold. I know nothing about messing around with electronics minus exactly what you mentioned which is going over to dyno and saying "make better please" and your experience on the zx10r sounds like it's going to be worth every cent.
The most exciting revelation from this video is that KEBC is tuneable, brought a tear to my eye knowing you can make that better hahaha.
The only issue with mail in ecu flashes you can’t get the best tune. They leave a little on the table to be safe. The reason is not all engines are the same.
That’s because each engine is a little different from to another.
Cannot make any engine exactly the same, fact.
This is actually the reason I have not gotten my car tuned. My bike though I’ll probably have you guys do it.
Got my 23 zx10r sc project done by y'all luv it was wondering what velocity stacks ur running and how much a retune is to include it ty again
There re-tunes are free if it’s on the same bike. It’s on their website!
I don't recommend necessarily associating dyno tuning in and of itself with bad tuning. If the person collecting the data and doing the resultant tuning isn't competent as well as a bit of an artist with a sixth sense for "what an engine wants", he can have multiple dynamometers and the results will be poor.
Soon I'll have my new bike😊 in transit now. Hiw many miles before a tune?
I have a 2024 s1000rr base model aftermarket headers austin racing. So wheelie control Is always on. 😔 I'd like my bike flash.. it's power is limited
How much does a flash cost? I have a 06 gsxr 600.
That’s why I chose you guys I love my bike and it awesome to ride and pulls so hard also done by you guys 2 months ago you or so. Thanks G.L from Towson Maryland . S’more mafia sounds familiar issues and there so expensive
I can tell by listening to his observation that he's talking about a famous youtuber who dyno tunes bikes.
Moore mafia
where are you located?
want you to tune my GSXS 1000.
Preach!
if only yall were able to support the triumph daytona moto2 outside sending the bike across the country. Such a trustworthy legit tuner! (do you remote tune?)
Dang Buddy you have a great sales Tactic here…he does she does is cheap speech here you showed no proof of your tunes on a Dyno .😅and your customer complaining about the Dyno tune being wrong is Bullshit because he gets to take his bike for a ride after the service and comes back to give his report of any issues he felt with it and the tuner will make adjustments per his complaint..I will bet my Bike he did a mail in ecu flash and they are never 💯 correct…if you weren’t all the way in Washington I would Love to have you re Dyno my GSXR to see if you truly can make it any better than I already have from a top tuner in the Bike World..I did enjoy watching your Rant..👊🏼💯
Anyone know any good tuners in Colorado
Do you offer a tune for a 24 Ducati SFV4S?
Ahhh!!! Why can't you be on the East coast so you can tune my Triumph Daytona 765 Moto2!
You just mail them your ECU though?
@@dhess34 not according to a prior video. Not for Triumph. Triumph isn't even listed on their ECU service.
@@dhess34 For some bikes Nate explained to me there are risk for mail-in (Fail Write/Bricked ECU) when tuning it . Such as my 2018 S1000R, He stated Woolich software works 90 Percent of the time and if anything goes wrong Nate would need the bike in person to recover it. If the bike isn't near it would be very complicated to bring it back to life.
Are you talking about chris? Id think by him having records, then it shouldn't be him.
I hope your not talking about M.Mafia I just sent him my ecu!😬😬😬😬
How did you like his tune?
Do you have a tune available for a 2003 Honda CBR1100 Super Blackbird with D&D exhaust? I picked this one up last year that has a Power Commander on it, but I’m not convinced it runs to its potential. Just doesn’t pull like I think it should, though it sounds great.
Just say the name already so ppl know to stay away from them if they have a gen 6 😂
I'm planning on sending you my ecu this winter $
2nd. lol can't wait to send my ECU in
Hi from the uk
Great video just glad I'm an old fart now none of my bikes have electronic injection just the old fashioned atmospheric injectocarbs. It must be frustrating for you to see big names pro.ising the earth and giving g nothing
Keep up the good work
First. Also tune my mt-03 with velocity stacks and “WhTs your favorite exhaust for it xD”
Better than, ‘I’ve got a Grom, how can I wake this thing up?’ 🤣
I got my bike dyno tuned from you guys a couple years ago but I never received the dyno chart when I asked for it. Would you still have that on file? Thanks
Damn! Can you please cut the video from 10:38 and post that as a separate video.
The dyno only tune without starting from a pre-prepared flash is a huge source of people being scammed and people trying to argue against it need as much reference material as we can get. There's no way a tuner starting from scratch with the bike in their hands for less than a day can go through all the maps and tune them properly.
Wrong
Your competitors can simply get an ECU flash and have ALL your numbers. 7:50
love this video, thanks
Is he talking about MM
Its interesting to note that the limitations of dyno tuning is why Formula 1 at the high end levels do their tuning and testing on a full rolling road dyno, in a wind tunnel, so they're actually driving the car under as close to natural conditions as possible and at speed, so there's no surprises when you hit that turn at triple digit speed in turn traffic.
You know when the f bombs go flying, that its serious lol. I tune gm 5.3 LS/LT motors and 6l80 trannies, he knows what he is talking about!
The Kawasaki z650’s throttle is twitchy… can that be fixed with tuning?
Wish you guys had a tune for a 1290 Super Duke.
Do ittttt, name names!!!
Sounds like another Moore tune? 🫣😆
That’s the jist I got !! Lol
Is he really talking about Moore??
We don’t really know. There are a few UA-cam tuners out there so it could be any one of them.
@@GeorgiaBoyxI think he was hinting he was talking about Moore in another similar video a few months back. Something about the sticker on the ecu
He did called out Brocks Davidson Tuning with the power commander Piggy back and ECU flash, Which I dont understand why someone would do that.
This zx10r could Moore Mafia considering Moore Uses Woolich on many of his vids and Moore is pretty famous.
Any idea who can tune a Ducati?
I concur.. I had my z900 dyno tuned and made no torque gains and only 6 hp past 8k rpms..
If your bike makes more horsepower past 8k rpm, then it makes more torque past 8k rpm.
@@elevationmoto6208that's not what my dyno graph print out said. Torque barely moved, literally less than one ft lb
@pimpinkin87 Horsepower equals torque multiplied by rpm, divided by 5252. So, it follows that at 5252 rpm, one more Horsepower requires one more foot/pound of torque; at 10504 rpm 6 more Horsepower requires 3 more foot/pounds of torque. I hope this is helpful.
Wink if it’s a UA-camr
If things keep going this way, you will soon have a monopoly on bike tuning in America. 😆
😂
Son have you stopped to think they might be roll racing that bike not road racing? Sure you haven't
Still a lazy/shoddy tune even for roll racing, son. ;)
You did an awesome job on my T700
Ivan or shoodaben engineering are best. Concourse 14 tuners for thos bikes mountain runners flash want drag race Chris Moore @ mooremafia
Me Tarzan Me like Ivan. Go fast good.