(Just my opinion from seeing you, so please take it as such.) Joyce, you are not empty; you are open. You hold a space in yourself for other souls. You invite them in and offer them understanding at a level few get in life. You are such a blessing to others in that way. At times, I imagine this is hard...to not fill yourself up with, well, yourself. To leave that space open to others, is so amazing. I'm sure it feels very worth it to the other people in your life who benefit from your acceptance and wisdom. But, I hope you can see, hopefully, that "emptiness" as a fullness of love, and as a gift.
@@clotildemartinezlopez7017 i can elaborate it Infj winter is the cold reality but their presence is like a warm house which help you become calm and warm and appreaciate the beauty of the whitness it is clear and their Ni how to live and survive together Enfj are the spring because they are the ones when sign that the summer is come they fight for life they are strength and willpower to move forward and create families protect them being in the present and being very optimistic about the future which most of the time is right Enfp the summer new possibilities to travel the world new friends new possibilities beaches the fire camp and in this moments you can share deep philosopical ideas about the greatness of life being alive and enjoying each moment and creating memories Infp the autumn the beauty of the leafes which fall in the ground the amazing colors of orange and feeling at home they try alot to make things more amazing and enjoy more intimate moments when rain falls and all friends enjoy the rain and are together and laughing being weet the sun still brights from them but its time to be more strong and face some new possibilities of being yourself (its a bit hard to describe Infp lol) But thats much much more to this we are not exactly the same thing but we are connected with one comes another and we need to appreciate what we are and what we can give you shouldnt expect that cold have high temperature it can feel to you but if you treat thing in the wrong way they will doubt themself and they will feel that are not good enough. Thanks if you read this :)
Thank you for being vulnerable. As an Infj I actually love the idea being thought of as an INTJ, a super sophisticated INTJ that in addition also understands other's feelings
The disregard for idealism that people my age have had all my life around me, and how bad they used to treat me because of that, has really made me very closed off about it. It’s horrible too because those are sometimes my only type of thoughts and it feels so lonely so I end up feeling like it’s not correct to have them. I find refuge mostly in music and books but it gets hard to open up with other people even if I believe they will treat me well -infp
49:00-55:00 Was hitting. Never felt so understood. -ENFJ Also it was so cool to learn that each group has irrationality to their beliefs in order to change the world. 🙌🏽💕💞
Very good guys! Made me smile. Particularly enjoyed Carol’s Ne expression in the final discussion which Denzel related to by way of showing his Fe. Was great to hear Joyce’s insights and Paul you were an essential ingredient to keeping things light. Well done NF’s❤️
This was great, I appreciate what everyone had to say. Btw Joyce you forgot to hashtag INFP. Also I had an experience where I realized again in concrete fashion people render any given differently to themselves irrespective of properties so do that perspective shift and integrate so you won't take to heart how you may be experienced at times by others. You're wonderful
I'm glad you didn't cut that part off Joyce. I feel like I kind of know what you're talking about and if I am, I want you to know that it's okay. Just because your Ti can be tough doesn't mean that it's bad. Don't think about your impact on others all the time as much as that is important. And as much as how you don't want to be seen that way. That part of you is really cool and it's valuable even if it hurts and feels like it isn't welcome. Don't disregard it but own it. Because if it wasn't for this your fluffiness wouldn't exist. It makes you nuanced and complicated in the most interesting way.
You didn't cut that part out and I was glad to see it! Joyce you are such a sweetheart, of course you are not an intj. I love seeing the rare moments when you talk about yourself, I would love to see a video more focused on you =].
I guess because you care so much. Definitely means you are alive on the inside. With the biggest heart of all. Book sounds amazing too. Look forward to it. ❤
ENFJ wisdom at around 49:00 & forward 👏🏻🔥 Thanks Denzel! Also, what a beautiful panel. Loved the comfort and authenticity everyone got to show up with. 🤍 Listening to this panel was therapeutic. Also Joyce, I hear you. Thanks for not editing certain parts. I understand so much about what you said about holding paradoxes. Even as a mere viewer i never doubted your INFJness. You're fluffy AND a badass. You do such a great job with these panels and hold space for others. It's awesome. And i just wanted to share, the kind of upbringing I had gave me with a strong sense of feeling like i was 'bad', 'cold' or even 'evil', these beliefs have been rock solid convincing and i have had to make a conscious decision to let go of these beliefs (because they're not mine, it came from othes and it's their problem).
I love everything Carol was saying, especially about having to make sure to set healthy boundaries. Thankfully I learned that in my mid 20s, but it is okay to say "No, I'm not able to do that." It took too long to learn that. We ENFPs have limitations as much as we like to think that we don't. These healthy boundaries mean we can keep giving of ourselves.
I’m probably gonna come back to this video again and again just to watch all of your interactions: the understanding, the jokes, taking the time to make sure that the important and serious things have their time to flesh out… Sharing your difficulties and insecurities is one of the hardest things to do and I’m loving all of you for it. I think I was like Denzel once and too trusting and hoping the best, probably as a young kid, but life sort of beat it out of me and I’m trying to find my way back again. I wonder sometimes, a lot of times really, how do you stand to watch the news or learn about all sorts of atrocities in the world when it’s easier to ignore it? Or do you just focus on the one thing you can do? But truly… Carol is a wonder to watch with all her positivity and energy and all her stories; Denzel is that understanding yet trusting and motivational father figure that everyone needs (though may not deserve); Paul is just great at keeping the jokes rolling and helping me laugh at myself but says the most honest and compelling things seemingly out of nowhere… and… Joyce, you are a joy to watch. Sure, your vocal tone may be a little flat at times or your body may seem a little stiff at times but I can tell that it’s because you’re paying so much attention to the other people in the room, to listen and understand, rather than to find some way to respond because then, you’re also nodding or a little smile curls your lips or your eyes become super focused and there are also so many other little tells so yeah… what Denzel said. Sorry, it’s so long. Looking forward to more of your videos.
As a fellow NF, I am just so GLAD to have watched this. It was simply so heartwarming and heart-filling. This is probably the first time that I have listened to a type video whereby I felt like I really understood and related to most if not all of you! This is the sort of social group I would love to be part of. Each person brought something different but very relatable to the table. Also thank you Joyce for sharing your vulnerability. my initial gut feeling was, 'I dont give a sh*t with what others think of me/It's their problem and not mine', but on closer inspection, I think this idea that if someone denies what you believe is part of your identity and not recognise and validate what is an important part of you, I can see that being painful especially if it's important when one relies on external feedback for this. On another note, I would love to know what profession other NFS have fallen into. I am still trying to figure out where I need to be. It really does feel like needle in a haystack to find my calling.
I think the NP idea does not really die out, but rather it is finished. The idea of the NPs is just meant to be the idea and is not intended to become a fully fledged external sensory manifestation of it. After all, it's an intuitive function, it's not like Se that is aimed on things in the real world. When Np's think about an idea,they extract the interesting parts about that for insight/understanding. When they are done with that, the idea is just an empty shell and of no use anymore and is disposed.
I always have to temper my energy as an ENFP, and water myself down because people compare me to a puppy or a child, or just too much and I have to code switch all the time to sound more normal...if I spouted off all of my ideas and thoughts and fantasies with an ounce of seriousness, everyone would think I was really insensible. Ug.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson I definitely don't want to, but like Carol said, in certain arenas it sort of complicates the situation by being that way. When you're the ONLY one who is giving off that energy and others just don't even have the capacity to embrace, let alone give off that same energy, it can be detrimental. Then people don't take you seriously, then they marginalize you and mistreat you.
Oh my goodness!!!! I love you guys!!! My hubs is an infp and he drops down into hard situations and just creates stability in who he is meeting so many people where they are at and it’s truly remarkable to watch. He hangs out with me in our quirky Feeling land. I’m more of a realist and help him to stay grounded and also watch his back but yep, my favorite magical people ever.
1:50 The feeling of a duty to change the world but not feeling like you belong to it is incredibly relatable :') 10:30 Paul says his intros fall flat and immediately does an intro that sucks laughter out of my soul, man is too powerful I love him :'DDDDDD 14:50 "After Learning to be emotionally naked with my ENFP, I just learned to be naked in General" -Joyce Meng, Amazing character development :'DDDDDD 54:40 Denzel brings about a phenomenal point here. Most significant changes in the world are born from irrational thoughts or desires... It's dreams and dreamers that bring about a change in reality... That's a wonderful thing to think about :) He then proceeds to pain a beautiful scenery about emotional intimacy and emotional acceptance... Man, that was awesome. 59:30 Oh my goodness YES, Joyce. The amount of contradictions we can have is honestly mind boggling. I can totally relate to being both cynical and optimistic, both trusting and untrusting, Both desiring connection and detachment, it's very confusing :'))) 1:01:55 Joyce, I've been following you for a while, I doubt you'll see this message but I'd like to express that as a fellow INFJ, I enjoy your presence, I appreciate greatly what you bring to the table, I also see you as a fluffy marshmallow, or a dark chocolate muffin :D gotta have that quality theobromine :) I don't believe you're broken in anyway, you're delightfully complex and intriguingly fascinating. Just like any human being but in your own unique way :) I think we can all agree that your personality and presence are appreciated and loved ^^ and I have to say that you revealing a vulnerable part about yourself makes me feel so proud of you, because as an INFJ I know how incredibly dreadful it can be :') Go Joyce go :D 1:12:38 Paul's NFs in a nutshell, Marvelous :'DDDDD Overall, the panel was phenomenal... Thank you to everyone who participated, I appreciate how cozy and welcoming this group is ^^
"I feel like a warm person but it just doesn't show because I'm dead inside and I know that" - Wow, thank you for not cutting that part! I have never felt so understood
59:28 - MA GURL JOYCE!! YES! They totally can.. People have a BIG problem with (seeming) paradoxes. Thus, they/some will fail to even see the universal truth and beauty in "nonduality" as well.
Paul! Your my hero and tremendous humour.😂 As an INFP + ENTJ person working on something nothing everything anything and seething... The world's first ever rational- logical- functional- emotional- mentalnal- scientifical- spiritual approach to enlightenment. "Message to all of humanity" minus 2 "You think you have seen everything"...YOU HAVEN'T SEEN NOTHING YET 😂😂😂 Imagine a viable way to reach enlightenment in real time purely though dialogue...is attainable 🎉 And i will decide this work of mine to all NFs and NTs in the world 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Currently writing books on the topic...so happy 😁
Off topic - maybe not? I think Amanda Bynes and David Letterman are ENFP. Maybe Conin O’Brian & Johnny Depp also. Probably several talk show hosts are.
19:39 oooh... yup. People saying that doesn't usually make me angry (unless they're saying it to invalidate someone's pain), it mostly makes me confused. If you're recognizing that something is bad, why don't you try to change it or, at least, not contribute to the problem? Even if as an individual you can't make much of an impact, improving these issues starts with a mindset that works towards change. Viewing a problem as something that can be fixed affects the way others perceive it and, over time, makes an impact. The power of a collective belief starts with individual ones. 24:13 He said it waaaaaaay better 26:19 what she said here and that Martin Luther king quote reminds me a lot of this hard rock album by the band Skillet. The album is called "Rise", and the ENFJ singer/bassist had the main role in writing the songs. He said the album was written from the perspective of a teenage girl learning how messed up the world is, and in her attempts to change it she wonders why other people aren't trying to do the same, and she struggles to accept that she can't fix it all. To me the album has a bit of an angry tone, like being in a state of disbelief that others don't have the same motivations and have accepted "what is". As an ENFP who grew up listening to this album, it's interesting to see how I can relate to it now. I find it difficult to find the balance between trying to fix absolutely everything and being dissatisfied with anything short of that and not doing anything at all. 30:10 yeah, I relate A LOT to that haha. When I attempt to temporarily "shut it out" and avoid ethical issues, I feel a sense of guilt like I'm invalidating the struggles of people being oppressed. Then again, as much attention as I want to give those issues, it's also extremely stressful and emotionally taxing. I can't stand the fact that people have to suffer like this, but I'm not capable of fixing it all. It feels like I "owe" them my focus and advocacy, but at the same time it takes a toll on me.
I’m overly trusting to a point of naïveté, like I will befriend any random person on the street with open arms, like the kind of people most would reject and cast aside, but I’m always called cynical bc I can easily pinpoint bad outcomes with Ni. It makes me so frustrated ppl don’t see me for who I truly am. Totally related to Joyce there. Also, Joyce, you share that quality too because you’re willing to put yourself out there on the internet and talk to complete strangers about your feelings. Most might consider that naive, but it’s actually emotionally brave. I don’t think I could do it. I think the difference between Joyce and Denzel is leading with Fe vs Ni. Ni is always futurecasting and aware of bad outcomes…more so than an enfj…and to people who don’t lead with Ni, it can appear to be cynicism. I’ve started saying to people: I’m not a cynic or what you perceive me to be; I’ve simply observed the patterns and am warning you this is the probable outcome! But don’t label yourself in that way because it’s the way other people see it. Or don’t accept the labels other people want to put on you. We can’t look at ourselves through the eyes of people who never truly saw us.
This video came up for me, But I did enjoy hearing Carol and her experience in creating such a healthy environment for herself and setting boundaries and not ignoring where they need to be placed in her life. Understanding there is a line for her to draw to keep herself evolving and growing. I have a therapist myself whom takes in emotions so much, and she herself has her own therapist because she knows she needs a tool to let those emotions out and talk about them. And I myself become a therapist for ppl sometimes, when I allow it. As I also have to set boundaries. But I have my therapist that I talk to, to let out those emotions I'm carrying if it becomes overwhelming. She has taught me to set boundaries and understand when I take on someone's emotions and understand I listened and offered them the help I can. And they will be ok. Kind of like.. you can take a dog to the water bowl but can't make them drink it. ( I mean well tech you could.. by injecting it or forcing them.. lol but would that be healthy?) People at the end are responsible for themselves and their emotions and growth. Which means they have to make the first step to help themselves at first. But overall you do need to take care of yourself by setting boundaries, so you have the energy for the situations that come your way where you'll be the perfect fit because you've been taking care of yourself and can find a genuine solution to a problem. Loved Carol's wisdom on boundaries. That was a breath of fresh air. 😊
1:33:31 Absolutely (I am an ENFJ), and this sort if seismic change in a social group I was part of, I have now pulled back from, because there is one person - ONE PERSON who comes in there to rattle everything up. He is not overtly mean, but he is adversarial in all his "joking around" and I feel his bad intentions. I cannot even stand being around him, his vibe is just anathema to me and he sucks energy away from everyone else in the group, too, yet I feel like nobody else seems to be seeing that this guy is bad news. And they are wondering why I have stopped coming. I want to voice my concerns, but this is so hard to describe in terms that feel clear and I don't know if anyone else is going to see it as anything but a personal beef.
History seems not to be on the side of the NF-s. So many revolutionaries and reformers where NF-s and their ideologies where so diverse and even in antithesis with each other. However this is the first time in history that a mass extinction event is not being caused by a natural causes but by our civilization. Nice contribution to the "progress" of humanity! 😕 (INFJ)
Also, Joyce, you don’t seem like an intj to me at all. I can see and feel your warmth…not that intj’s are cold lol. It’s just clear to me you’re an nf type. I know Fe tends to over-value the perceptions of others, so it hurts when those perceptions aren’t accurate.
Paul is very funny. Someone needs to make an INFP comedy channel.
Get paid for being cute :)
He is lovely
(Just my opinion from seeing you, so please take it as such.)
Joyce, you are not empty; you are open. You hold a space in yourself for other souls. You invite them in and offer them understanding at a level few get in life. You are such a blessing to others in that way.
At times, I imagine this is hard...to not fill yourself up with, well, yourself. To leave that space open to others, is so amazing. I'm sure it feels very worth it to the other people in your life who benefit from your acceptance and wisdom. But, I hope you can see, hopefully, that "emptiness" as a fullness of love, and as a gift.
This is true about Joyce, thank you for expressing this.
💚 You spoil me with love, @Dgsd. Thank you!!
@@JoyceMeng22 😊yw💓
NFs are my fav. The world would implode without them. - intj 4w5
You four looks like the seasons
Infj is winter
Enfj is spring
Enfp is summer
Infp is autumn
Im Infj lol XD
lol yea that’s so cool and accurate
@@clotildemartinezlopez7017 hahahaha yeah lol
@@clotildemartinezlopez7017 i can elaborate it
Infj winter is the cold reality but their presence is like a warm house which help you become calm and warm and appreaciate the beauty of the whitness it is clear and their Ni how to live and survive together
Enfj are the spring because they are the ones when sign that the summer is come they fight for life they are strength and willpower to move forward and create families protect them being in the present and being very optimistic about the future which most of the time is right
Enfp the summer new possibilities to travel the world new friends new possibilities beaches the fire camp and in this moments you can share deep philosopical ideas about the greatness of life being alive and enjoying each moment and creating memories
Infp the autumn the beauty of the leafes which fall in the ground the amazing colors of orange and feeling at home they try alot to make things more amazing and enjoy more intimate moments when rain falls and all friends enjoy the rain and are together and laughing being weet the sun still brights from them but its time to be more strong and face some new possibilities of being yourself (its a bit hard to describe Infp lol) But thats much much more to this we are not exactly the same thing but we are connected with one comes another and we need to appreciate what we are and what we can give you shouldnt expect that cold have high temperature it can feel to you but if you treat thing in the wrong way they will doubt themself and they will feel that are not good enough.
Thanks if you read this :)
@@abetteryou4228 aww that was so beautiful, yes i read it and reread it shdshdhsh
@@clotildemartinezlopez7017 hahaha thank you
I love NFs you guys bring a feeling of joy and comfort to other people while you speak
🤍 🤍
Thank you for being vulnerable.
As an Infj I actually love the idea being thought of as an INTJ, a super sophisticated INTJ that in addition also understands other's feelings
I agree! As an INFJ who tries to “bi-focal” INTJ-Joyce you nailed it! INFJ holds 2 paradoxes or maybe more ✨🥕✨😂💓🙏🏼
What a nice group! As an INFJ my face went completely 🤩 when listening Carol speaking
The disregard for idealism that people my age have had all my life around me, and how bad they used to treat me because of that, has really made me very closed off about it. It’s horrible too because those are sometimes my only type of thoughts and it feels so lonely so I end up feeling like it’s not correct to have them.
I find refuge mostly in music and books but it gets hard to open up with other people even if I believe they will treat me well
-infp
Joyce, it was fun to see more of your infj traits come out. Your paradoxical thinking makes complete sense. :)
Haha, thank you!! 🙂 Nice to know you understand and appreciate the paradoxical-ness :)
49:00-55:00 Was hitting. Never felt so understood. -ENFJ
Also it was so cool to learn that each group has irrationality to their beliefs in order to change the world. 🙌🏽💕💞
Yeah! Hearing about the different forms of irrationality from each of the temperaments was great. Denzel did an amazing job explaining that.
Thank you for being vulnerable!
^-^ Thanks for watching!
Very good guys! Made me smile. Particularly enjoyed Carol’s Ne expression in the final discussion which Denzel related to by way of showing his Fe. Was great to hear Joyce’s insights and Paul you were an essential ingredient to keeping things light. Well done NF’s❤️
Joyce, please dont feel sad about your Ti. Many great people were our types - INFJs ❤
This was great, I appreciate what everyone had to say. Btw Joyce you forgot to hashtag INFP. Also I had an experience where I realized again in concrete fashion people render any given differently to themselves irrespective of properties so do that perspective shift and integrate so you won't take to heart how you may be experienced at times by others. You're wonderful
I'm glad you didn't cut that part off Joyce. I feel like I kind of know what you're talking about and if I am, I want you to know that it's okay. Just because your Ti can be tough doesn't mean that it's bad. Don't think about your impact on others all the time as much as that is important. And as much as how you don't want to be seen that way. That part of you is really cool and it's valuable even if it hurts and feels like it isn't welcome. Don't disregard it but own it. Because if it wasn't for this your fluffiness wouldn't exist. It makes you nuanced and complicated in the most interesting way.
😃 Thank you, Lily!! For encouraging me to embrace my gifts. You're lovely.
You didn't cut that part out and I was glad to see it! Joyce you are such a sweetheart, of course you are not an intj.
I love seeing the rare moments when you talk about yourself, I would love to see a video more focused on you =].
That being said, it broke my heart seeing your non verbals while things were touching a soft spot. I wish I could give you a hug
I guess because you care so much.
Definitely means you are alive on the inside.
With the biggest heart of all.
Book sounds amazing too.
Look forward to it.
❤
😃 Thanks, Ma Mu. I appreciate your supportive presence.
ENFJ wisdom at around 49:00 & forward 👏🏻🔥 Thanks Denzel!
Also, what a beautiful panel. Loved the comfort and authenticity everyone got to show up with. 🤍 Listening to this panel was therapeutic.
Also Joyce, I hear you. Thanks for not editing certain parts. I understand so much about what you said about holding paradoxes. Even as a mere viewer i never doubted your INFJness. You're fluffy AND a badass. You do such a great job with these panels and hold space for others. It's awesome.
And i just wanted to share, the kind of upbringing I had gave me with a strong sense of feeling like i was 'bad', 'cold' or even 'evil', these beliefs have been rock solid convincing and i have had to make a conscious decision to let go of these beliefs (because they're not mine, it came from othes and it's their problem).
I love everything Carol was saying, especially about having to make sure to set healthy boundaries. Thankfully I learned that in my mid 20s, but it is okay to say "No, I'm not able to do that." It took too long to learn that. We ENFPs have limitations as much as we like to think that we don't. These
healthy boundaries mean we can keep giving of ourselves.
Oh my- NF’s tribe💐💥🥲🥹💕🤝👏🌹
I’m probably gonna come back to this video again and again just to watch all of your interactions: the understanding, the jokes, taking the time to make sure that the important and serious things have their time to flesh out… Sharing your difficulties and insecurities is one of the hardest things to do and I’m loving all of you for it. I think I was like Denzel once and too trusting and hoping the best, probably as a young kid, but life sort of beat it out of me and I’m trying to find my way back again. I wonder sometimes, a lot of times really, how do you stand to watch the news or learn about all sorts of atrocities in the world when it’s easier to ignore it? Or do you just focus on the one thing you can do?
But truly… Carol is a wonder to watch with all her positivity and energy and all her stories; Denzel is that understanding yet trusting and motivational father figure that everyone needs (though may not deserve); Paul is just great at keeping the jokes rolling and helping me laugh at myself but says the most honest and compelling things seemingly out of nowhere… and… Joyce, you are a joy to watch. Sure, your vocal tone may be a little flat at times or your body may seem a little stiff at times but I can tell that it’s because you’re paying so much attention to the other people in the room, to listen and understand, rather than to find some way to respond because then, you’re also nodding or a little smile curls your lips or your eyes become super focused and there are also so many other little tells so yeah… what Denzel said.
Sorry, it’s so long. Looking forward to more of your videos.
As a fellow NF, I am just so GLAD to have watched this. It was simply so heartwarming and heart-filling. This is probably the first time that I have listened to a type video whereby I felt like I really understood and related to most if not all of you! This is the sort of social group I would love to be part of. Each person brought something different but very relatable to the table. Also thank you Joyce for sharing your vulnerability. my initial gut feeling was, 'I dont give a sh*t with what others think of me/It's their problem and not mine', but on closer inspection, I think this idea that if someone denies what you believe is part of your identity and not recognise and validate what is an important part of you, I can see that being painful especially if it's important when one relies on external feedback for this.
On another note, I would love to know what profession other NFS have fallen into. I am still trying to figure out where I need to be. It really does feel like needle in a haystack to find my calling.
I think the NP idea does not really die out, but rather it is finished. The idea of the NPs is just meant to be the idea and is not intended to become a fully fledged external sensory manifestation of it. After all, it's an intuitive function, it's not like Se that is aimed on things in the real world. When Np's think about an idea,they extract the interesting parts about that for insight/understanding. When they are done with that, the idea is just an empty shell and of no use anymore and is disposed.
I always have to temper my energy as an ENFP, and water myself down because people compare me to a puppy or a child, or just too much and I have to code switch all the time to sound more normal...if I spouted off all of my ideas and thoughts and fantasies with an ounce of seriousness, everyone would think I was really insensible. Ug.
I feel you. But, big but - Don't ever reduce yourself. It is the "sin" of the highest order, that we do oh too much!
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson I definitely don't want to, but like Carol said, in certain arenas it sort of complicates the situation by being that way. When you're the ONLY one who is giving off that energy and others just don't even have the capacity to embrace, let alone give off that same energy, it can be detrimental. Then people don't take you seriously, then they marginalize you and mistreat you.
Btw you're definitely a G-dly person, the compassion you emit is constantly radiant with G-dliness.
Thank you! It's sweet of you to offer reassurance.
I had so much fun watching the video. Probably one of my best videos about the NFs. I have learned new things of course.
Thank you :)
Oh my goodness!!!! I love you guys!!! My hubs is an infp and he drops down into hard situations and just creates stability in who he is meeting so many people where they are at and it’s truly remarkable to watch. He hangs out with me in our quirky Feeling land. I’m more of a realist and help him to stay grounded and also watch his back but yep, my favorite magical people ever.
Authenticity is another NF core value
i think this is my favorite episode of Type Talks
Thank you all for this video! It's helped me understand myself better
I'm so glad! Happy it was helpful. :)
This video is so chaotic, I loved it so much, I couldn’t stop laughing.
YEEEESSSSS CAROL IS BACK!!!
People are like “are you for real?” 🤣 I felt that
@Denzel Mensah, I could listen to you all day! Your perspectives are incredibly satisfying and insightful!
Thank youuu! I appreciate that a lot 🥰
1:50 The feeling of a duty to change the world but not feeling like you belong to it is incredibly relatable :')
10:30 Paul says his intros fall flat and immediately does an intro that sucks laughter out of my soul, man is too powerful I love him :'DDDDDD
14:50 "After Learning to be emotionally naked with my ENFP, I just learned to be naked in General" -Joyce Meng, Amazing character development :'DDDDDD
54:40 Denzel brings about a phenomenal point here. Most significant changes in the world are born from irrational thoughts or desires... It's dreams and dreamers that bring about a change in reality... That's a wonderful thing to think about :) He then proceeds to pain a beautiful scenery about emotional intimacy and emotional acceptance... Man, that was awesome.
59:30 Oh my goodness YES, Joyce. The amount of contradictions we can have is honestly mind boggling. I can totally relate to being both cynical and optimistic, both trusting and untrusting, Both desiring connection and detachment, it's very confusing :')))
1:01:55 Joyce, I've been following you for a while, I doubt you'll see this message but I'd like to express that as a fellow INFJ, I enjoy your presence, I appreciate greatly what you bring to the table, I also see you as a fluffy marshmallow, or a dark chocolate muffin :D gotta have that quality theobromine :) I don't believe you're broken in anyway, you're delightfully complex and intriguingly fascinating. Just like any human being but in your own unique way :) I think we can all agree that your personality and presence are appreciated and loved ^^ and I have to say that you revealing a vulnerable part about yourself makes me feel so proud of you, because as an INFJ I know how incredibly dreadful it can be :') Go Joyce go :D
1:12:38 Paul's NFs in a nutshell, Marvelous :'DDDDD
Overall, the panel was phenomenal... Thank you to everyone who participated, I appreciate how cozy and welcoming this group is ^^
"I feel like a warm person but it just doesn't show because I'm dead inside and I know that" - Wow, thank you for not cutting that part! I have never felt so understood
59:28 - MA GURL JOYCE!! YES! They totally can.. People have a BIG problem with (seeming) paradoxes.
Thus, they/some will fail to even see the universal truth and beauty in "nonduality" as well.
Paul! Your my hero and tremendous humour.😂
As an INFP + ENTJ person working on something nothing everything anything and seething...
The world's first ever rational- logical- functional- emotional- mentalnal- scientifical- spiritual approach to enlightenment.
"Message to all of humanity" minus 2
"You think you have seen everything"...YOU HAVEN'T SEEN NOTHING YET 😂😂😂
Imagine a viable way to reach enlightenment in real time purely though dialogue...is attainable 🎉
And i will decide this work of mine to all NFs and NTs in the world 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Currently writing books on the topic...so happy 😁
Off topic - maybe not? I think Amanda Bynes and David Letterman are ENFP. Maybe Conin O’Brian & Johnny Depp also. Probably several talk show hosts are.
At the point Joice got a little melt down I really wanted to give her a big hug and protect her from her insecurities. :)
19:39 oooh... yup. People saying that doesn't usually make me angry (unless they're saying it to invalidate someone's pain), it mostly makes me confused. If you're recognizing that something is bad, why don't you try to change it or, at least, not contribute to the problem? Even if as an individual you can't make much of an impact, improving these issues starts with a mindset that works towards change. Viewing a problem as something that can be fixed affects the way others perceive it and, over time, makes an impact. The power of a collective belief starts with individual ones.
24:13 He said it waaaaaaay better
26:19 what she said here and that Martin Luther king quote reminds me a lot of this hard rock album by the band Skillet. The album is called "Rise", and the ENFJ singer/bassist had the main role in writing the songs. He said the album was written from the perspective of a teenage girl learning how messed up the world is, and in her attempts to change it she wonders why other people aren't trying to do the same, and she struggles to accept that she can't fix it all. To me the album has a bit of an angry tone, like being in a state of disbelief that others don't have the same motivations and have accepted "what is". As an ENFP who grew up listening to this album, it's interesting to see how I can relate to it now. I find it difficult to find the balance between trying to fix absolutely everything and being dissatisfied with anything short of that and not doing anything at all.
30:10 yeah, I relate A LOT to that haha. When I attempt to temporarily "shut it out" and avoid ethical issues, I feel a sense of guilt like I'm invalidating the struggles of people being oppressed. Then again, as much attention as I want to give those issues, it's also extremely stressful and emotionally taxing. I can't stand the fact that people have to suffer like this, but I'm not capable of fixing it all. It feels like I "owe" them my focus and advocacy, but at the same time it takes a toll on me.
All the note taking and so many pairs of soulful eyes are super on brand for NFs 😊
Good explanation of NF 🥰
hahahahaha IM IN PAIN
Thank you all.
A very IN PAIN enfj in law school. everyone laughs at me. just kidding. but thank you for the hope
Best panel ever 😂
NFs are awesome
Thank you for the video
Such amazing and inspiring episode! Lots of love n' good vibes! - ENFP-A, 4w5
Hey I’m ENFP-T 4w5! Är du svensk? Frågar pga ditt namn och ville säga det eftersom vi nästan är samma typ haha! ✨☁️🌸
My stj daddy was right - I live in a fantasy world :p ps. How many enfps need help with sleep due to sensory sensitivity?
I suffer from Fybromyalgia and would love to hear Carol Lindens suggestions for getting rid of it!
Me too, and "ME/CFS". Brutal.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson So sorry you have to deal with those. 😔
Very cool video
Woah. I need an NF to help me realize my potential, no? 3:18
I’m overly trusting to a point of naïveté, like I will befriend any random person on the street with open arms, like the kind of people most would reject and cast aside, but I’m always called cynical bc I can easily pinpoint bad outcomes with Ni. It makes me so frustrated ppl don’t see me for who I truly am. Totally related to Joyce there. Also, Joyce, you share that quality too because you’re willing to put yourself out there on the internet and talk to complete strangers about your feelings. Most might consider that naive, but it’s actually emotionally brave. I don’t think I could do it. I think the difference between Joyce and Denzel is leading with Fe vs Ni. Ni is always futurecasting and aware of bad outcomes…more so than an enfj…and to people who don’t lead with Ni, it can appear to be cynicism. I’ve started saying to people: I’m not a cynic or what you perceive me to be; I’ve simply observed the patterns and am warning you this is the probable outcome! But don’t label yourself in that way because it’s the way other people see it. Or don’t accept the labels other people want to put on you. We can’t look at ourselves through the eyes of people who never truly saw us.
very fascinating!
This video came up for me, But I did enjoy hearing Carol and her experience in creating such a healthy environment for herself and setting boundaries and not ignoring where they need to be placed in her life. Understanding there is a line for her to draw to keep herself evolving and growing. I have a therapist myself whom takes in emotions so much, and she herself has her own therapist because she knows she needs a tool to let those emotions out and talk about them. And I myself become a therapist for ppl sometimes, when I allow it. As I also have to set boundaries. But I have my therapist that I talk to, to let out those emotions I'm carrying if it becomes overwhelming. She has taught me to set boundaries and understand when I take on someone's emotions and understand I listened and offered them the help I can. And they will be ok. Kind of like.. you can take a dog to the water bowl but can't make them drink it. ( I mean well tech you could.. by injecting it or forcing them.. lol but would that be healthy?) People at the end are responsible for themselves and their emotions and growth. Which means they have to make the first step to help themselves at first. But overall you do need to take care of yourself by setting boundaries, so you have the energy for the situations that come your way where you'll be the perfect fit because you've been taking care of yourself and can find a genuine solution to a problem. Loved Carol's wisdom on boundaries. That was a breath of fresh air. 😊
Carol reminds me so much of my aunt. I think she might be an ENFP. ❤️
1:33:31 Absolutely (I am an ENFJ), and this sort if seismic change in a social group I was part of, I have now pulled back from, because there is one person - ONE PERSON who comes in there to rattle everything up. He is not overtly mean, but he is adversarial in all his "joking around" and I feel his bad intentions. I cannot even stand being around him, his vibe is just anathema to me and he sucks energy away from everyone else in the group, too, yet I feel like nobody else seems to be seeing that this guy is bad news. And they are wondering why I have stopped coming. I want to voice my concerns, but this is so hard to describe in terms that feel clear and I don't know if anyone else is going to see it as anything but a personal beef.
So wholesome 🦁
Resonated so much with denzel
History seems not to be on the side of the NF-s. So many revolutionaries and reformers where NF-s and their ideologies where so diverse and even in antithesis with each other. However this is the first time in history that a mass extinction event is not being caused by a natural causes but by our civilization. Nice contribution to the "progress" of humanity! 😕 (INFJ)
Hi Joyce I Love the way you laugh it's very cute 😅💓
Oh, thank you!!
Also, Joyce, you don’t seem like an intj to me at all. I can see and feel your warmth…not that intj’s are cold lol. It’s just clear to me you’re an nf type. I know Fe tends to over-value the perceptions of others, so it hurts when those perceptions aren’t accurate.
It's kinda harsh that the Enfp is the common nf type while the other ones are just rare