They don’t need expansion until the A’s and Rays are figured out The A”s were granted redaction as part of the settlement with the City of San Jose when they were blocked from moving there. Can’t blame the A’s for moving. Oakland has no place to build and no real money Fisher is a horrible owner but not entirely his fault.
As a Vegas resident, I don't know of anyone that wants this team. We would rather get an expansion team we can root for. Just as we did for the Knights.
It is a shame that they have started work on removing the Trop. It was nice having a free place to park for Knights games and concerts at MGM or Mandalay Bay.
We don't need anymore expansion IN MLB though. There is enough teams already, adding more teams just lowers the talent pool. Even the NHL was the best when they had 22-24 teams. Every team had several really good players, nowadays every NHL team has several players that shouldn't be in the NHL
Vegas was very lucky to get the Raiders though. Getting a team that has so much history and mystique was a blessing for Vegas. Not to mention getting a team with such an Iconic logo and name and the Iconic silver and black colors really suit the city of Las Vegas.
Oakland is dead.. hell they even trying to change the airport name to look more appealing.. San Fancisco Bay Oakland Airport? REALLY?? they don't even like themselfs....
IMO A’s only makes sense for MLB in the CA Bay Area if they can get a stadium in the South Bay. Maybe Mandraud and the other owners can force the Giants to spot the South Bay and then force Fisher to sell.
@@scotttild there’s plenty of space in Oakland. Hell, there’s room RIGHT NEXT to the current stadium. HT wouldn’t work anyway because it’s off public transit routes. The coliseum has convenience on its side, and there’s lots of space there.
THANK YOU. As a Vegas local, I would love a baseball team, just not the A’s or John Fisher. And maybe not put the ballpark on the strip too. Have it be off strip for local fans
@@togoandmoss I’d rather not have Fisher’s cheapass here. Maybe if it’s under new ownership and different branding, I’d be open to supporting the team.
I'm a die hard A's fan. I believe Vegas deserves better than Fisher. Vegas either needs an expansion team to emulate the GK's or get a "Nation" team like the Raiders. By that, I mean a team with followers all over the country that would go to Vegas and watch them.
The Oakland ballpark was beautiful. They were only $100 million apart. MLB should contract the A’s and sell the rights to a new owner who would put resources into the club.
Don’t contract, take away the franchise from Fisher The history would be separated between the 2 Oakland A’s franchises and even if it isn’t, contracting a franchise is a disgrace
I hope they do and then force Arte Moreno to sell the Halos too, but the owners and the league will just protect their owners and do nothing most likely
I'm not sure where the A's will be playing in 5 years. But I'm 100% sure that it won't be a John Fisher team playing in Las Vegas! In Vegas, you can build whatever you can dream of...if you have brains and money. John Fisher, an embarrassment to his family, has neither.
Citizens here in KC Mo. are fed up with taxes. Property tax up 238% in some areas of voters. Insurance follows County to break it off even further. $500. to $750 a month increase. Not mansions while Co. Exec. asseor, mayor taxes stay down while neighbors either side raised to high heaven. Now we voted down the new stadiums. Mo law states after vote cannot be brought again 1yr. Unscruplos Rep. trying to bring it back in 5mos. Not legal and Jackson Co. going to See Mo. AG in court June to find how and why they broke law. KS. wants 6.5% tax to pay for Chiefs things will not be voted on by citizens STAR Bond. Go for it there is never enough $$ for the millonaires.
I could be wrong but with Fisher and Kaval I don’t even see them moving to Sacramento Rumors here now is that the team could be up for sale before season’s end
@@rainbowmade1880 you mean he has to spend his own money??? He actually said in the LVRJ article that his family was gonna cover the final shortages. Maybe they told him your on your own.
The economy isn t gonna do this dream much good. I also think the peeps of LV don t wanna be on the hook for this monster as everybody knows this will go over budget.
Baseball already is kind of watered down as is. Not sure what expansion would do for the MLB. If anything, some teams may need to be contracted or teams you know will never win.
If A's do actually relocate, I say relocate to Salt lake City. They actually want the Athletics. I know it's not that easy or simple but just move there and call it a day
@@splashnskillz37 Fr. At least there's a certainty for the Yotes. Peeled off the bandaid fast for yotes fans. This has been grueling for everyone involved in NorCal and Vegas.
Does anyone actually think Fisher is going to change his stripes once he gets to LV? I don't see him all of the sudden spending money on FA's or even investing in the team for that matter.
Put the A’s up for sell leave them in Sacramento or move to Salt Lake City and expand to Las Vegas, San Antonio or Salt Lake City. Also move either Miami or Tampa to Nashville
In terms of the team being at .500 right now, as a lifelong A's fan, this is the normal cycle, the past 20 or 30 years. Every time they've had a competitive team, it's always been this big shock to the world. A new ballpark means we can finally stop doing a rebuild every decade.
Well if this truly fails and they get new ownership but if MLB still wants the A’s out of Oakland, they should look into the Golden Gate Fields Horse Track since they’ll be out of business this year and Albany and Berkeley do not know what to do with this land.
If the A’s go for sale, Ranadive of the Kings won’t outbid Bay Area investors. Joe Lacob of the Warriors is ready to buy, and said he would build at Howard Terminal in Oakland with only private money. I commented here months ago that this was gonna play out. Another issue, Sacramento has a deficit of over $60 million in this fiscal year. If the city faces deficits in the coming years, they won’t be able to provide funding to the A’s. Buckle up folks.
If they put them for sell nobody is outbidding uncle Joe, plus other Bay Area investors that are interested in keeping the team in the east bay. Lacob would have an ownership group ready and have a shovel in the ground by next summer.
This is what happens when one man turns his back on his fans and community for financial gain. It's a gamble period. Such a horrible thing to do to encourage the relocation of a team that's so woven into the community of Oakland and the East Bay, putting people's jobs and livelihood at risk for greed and uncertainty especially when they we're only $97 million apart from making the waterfront ballpark in Oakland a reality. Fisher wasn't open to investors then but suddenly in Vegas he is?? Manfred and the owners have their fair share of blame in all of this too.
Six straight for the A's....But the Twins have won 12 straight! And the AL Central was supposed to be bad, 4 of 5 teams over .500 - it's the AL West that kinda sux so far....And I agree with you, Vega$ and "cheap" don't work there....
John Fisher broke off negotiations with Oakland when they were close to a deal because they said it would take too long for the process to finish. Now he’s in darn near the exact same situation. Even if they try to stay in Sacramento now you have to get the funding all over again and figure all that out, and it’s a lot harder to get free tax money in California that it is in Nevada.
I agree with others if MLB had a better Commissioner, the new Commissioner would've gotten the owner out of there, and they could've just gotten the A's to stay in Oakland with a cheaper new ballpark.
I wonder if theres a possibility they end up staying in sac.. sacramento famously has the best fanbase in NBA who saved the Kings from leaving 10 years ago
It's pretty obvious at this point that he negotiated in bad faith with the city of Oakland. Even though we would have been given more "free money" with the Howard Terminal deal, there's no way we could have covered his portion of the larger project. That's why he cut off negations all of the sudden. To make sure that Oakland could make a final proposal that he couldn't afford, but was too good for the league to let him leave.
Many Athletics fans in or around the SF Bay Area actually live closer to Sacramento than San Jose. I see Sacramento as a lifeline that could keep lifelong A's fans able to go to games.
@@philmccracken179 no doubt. I consider the sf bay area the best pro baseball market in the world when you take into account the success of BOTH teams along with the excellent weather. Losing the A's to Nevada would be a disaster for everybody.
@@Captain_Solo I mean of course I know why. It’s ridiculous that Manfred hasn’t made for a better vetting process to be an owner. Especially in the Bay Area where I’m sure they could’ve gotten wealthy investors. Bad business on top of the lack of ethics.
@@andrewkline5577 Bud Selig held a grudge against Oakland because he wanted the team to move to Milwaukee instead. When Finley decided to move out west, Selig resented that decision. Selig despised Wally Haas for buying them in the 80’s and revitalizing the franchise in Oakland. After the team was sold to Schott/Hoffman in 95 Selig was all to happy for the sell. Schott/Hoffman wanted to sell the team to a local ownership group headed by Andy Dolich and Bob Puccini in 99 that were committed to keeping the A’s in Oakland. Selig tabled the vote due to concerns about “financial backing”Selig held off the vote long enough for the exclusive negotiation rights to expire then a few years later when Puccini/Dolich, Lacob and Reggie Jackson led groups wanted to buy the team Selig made sure his Frat buddy Lew Wolff and his partner John Fisher ended up with the team in 2005. What did they do? Tear down the team, raise prices, tarp up the upper deck and tried to move to San Jose before the ink on the contract even dried. If you look up A’s attendance you can see the clear decline in attendance after Wolff and Fisher took over.
NHL gave Vegas an expansion team and they have been a contender ever since. Now MLB wants to send the worthless A's to Vegas?!?!? We CAN ALL see how bad they're treating their fans. No thank you! I can watch the Avaiators( minor league baseball team) in Summerlin ( beautiful Vegas Suburb) and not deal with any of that traffic to watch a team that alienated their fan base and won't invest in players. HELL NO!!! Stay in Oakland!!!
I recently had to cancel a booked special event in Las Vegas. Hidden in my contract obligation was a 15% hotel bed tax. This fee was for funding of this new stadium. This, in addition to several other fees including a $38.00 per person resort fee, 9.75% sales tax, 20% gratuity for staff on the total bill, labor costs at $50.00 per hour x 4 for 8 hours each, etc. Vegas is a terrible gamble.
They have not done anything or approved any new tax so that statement is just flat wrong . The hotel tax has always been there it just keeps going up. It went up when they approved the tax for the Raiders stadium. The Raiders increased the tax by .5c to pay for their stadium. Has nothing to do with the A"s nothing has been approved yet. There has been no vote to extend that tax to pay for the A's. NO funding for the A's has been approved yet and no vote has even been taken.
I don't think the ship has completely sailed on an Oakland deal in the scenario that Fisher sells. 1. Yes attendance has been bad for a while, but then again the ownership has been bad for a while too. It's really a chicken or the egg question at this point, but it's hard to blame fans when ownership literally never tries to retain talent, the team rebuilds every 4 years, and meanwhile the stadium has been outdated for decades and is in an underdeveloped part of town. 2. Yes it got ugly between Fisher/MLB and Oakland, but Oakland has already said they will embrace a new ownership group. Fisher was unsurprisingly difficult to work with and did everything he could to burn that relationship to the ground. It wouldn't be the same with a new owner. 3. It's not completely about attendance, market size is a big reason to look at keeping the team in the Bay Area. Pretty much the only reason why there were those late lease extension talks at the Coliseum despite ALL the bad blood was because of the lucrative TV contract. There aren't many markets that bring in as much as the Bay Area does, certainly not in the case of expansion markets. Sac is only happening in fact because they are keeping most of the value of that contract. 4. Oakland does have a leg up on most other prospective cities in terms of willpower to get a deal done as well as having plans in place. If MLB wants to get a new stadium built fast, building at Howard Terminal with a new owner could be one of the simplest and fastest ways. Every other city needs time to pick a site, work on the EIP, fight lawsuits, figure out infrastructure, etc. Oakland already has all that figured out. 5. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. They could either try building a fanbase from scratch and risk another Marlins or Rays situation in a new city, or they can re-commit to a fanbase that has shown to have a lot of diehards but have been punished and worn down by cheap owners for decades. I honestly think there's wisdom in re-committing to Oakland rather than abandoning that fanbase forever.
I would keep this whole situation simple and just move the A's permanently to Sacramento and if Las Vegas would still like a team, then maybe they could get an expansion team in the future.
This whole thing has been a giant mess moving to Vegas. They need to move to salt lake. Or permanently move to Sacramento and get a ballpark built there.
Agreed. You have 7-8 counties in the Sac area that are about 30 minutes away from the city and unlike being in Oakland, you don't have to compete with Oracle Park , arguably the best park in MLB being 15-20 minutes away from you. I for one would love to no longer have to drive 2 hours to see a baseball game and then spend another 2 hours driving back. Especially after a loss.
This is a complete disorganized mess and I will laugh to high heaven if this were to fall through. It's the plot of the first 'Major League' movie playing out in real life with John Fisher playing the role of the stripper owner.
Nothing I would love better than if fisher sold the A’s and they moved to San Jose as a big fuck you to the giants who blocked the A’s from moving there years ago saying it’s territorial rights
Sacramento, the capital city of California. Their population is around 530,000 people. That's not enough population to sustain 82 games for a baseball season. Plus the TV revenue is going to shrink and stink. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Sacramento is a smaller TV market then Las Vegas. Nobody from the bay area is going to want to drive up to Sacramento to watch a game when they can just go to san francisco. Oh, and did you forget about the heat in sacramento. It's going to be very difficult for the A's. To play in sacramento. It's like the texas rangers ballpark The heat is unbearable in the summertime. They're going to have to build a dome. If the A's were to build a ballpark in Sacramento.
Sac metro population is around 2.4 mil and rising. Sac tv market rank 20th and Vegas rank 40th. Sac heat is dry during the summer and cool during the night (delta breeze).
As a Canadian I hope and pray the Rays move to Montreal and revive the Expos especially with how the owners have flirted with Montreal for the past decade BUT they must be the opposite of Fisher and realize we'd welcome them BUT Quebec is unable to pay the lion's share of a new stadium and need the team to pitch in and have the money I know it's privately funded but Vegas DOESN'T need to spend ten billion on an NBA arena when they can use T-Mobile Arena where the Golden Knights play as well as the Las Vegas Aces. If that happens I'll roll my eyes as it seems a waste like Intuit Dome in LA for the Clippers Also it's not the So-Fi model it's the California model as Chase Arena in San Francisco was fully privately funded as well as maybe the Intuit Dome
The roof of the proposed Vegas stadium looks to be about only 47 meters high which would mean the balls would hit the roof, the A's would move to Vegas, based on history they will tell Fisher either move to Charles Schwab stadium in Omaha Nebraska which is already holds 24,000 seats and can be expanded to 35,000 seats or sell the team and depending on who the new owner is would build a new stadium in Oakland or move to Portland which would make perfect sense.
Two many inaccurate statements in the video to counter them all … May 16th the Private financing of the stadium will most likely be explained in the Stadium authority meeting. People in the know of the situation are not concerned about anything.
It never ceases to amaze me how many sports writers who have NO clue about stadium financing are saying that the Vegas ballpark is running into funding problems.
Yeah, wait for an expansion team. Vegas already has to contend with the Raiders and the various criminal pathologies afflicting their "fans" visiting from California
Sacramento is a baseball town and will prove it in the next 3-4 years with the attendance at A’s games. There are so many MLB players from this area like Steve Sax, Dusty Baker, Greg Vaughn, Rhys Hoskins, and Logan Webb, just to name a few. Sacramento is the highest market with only 1 major sports league and deserves another one. Especially baseball.
Fisher showed one more time he was in trouble when with two weeks to go before he has to submit his financing plan to the LV Stadium Authority for review, he hired an outside firm to obtain $500 million. Why he 'waited' until a week ago is beyond me...
Being from Vegas, I love that we are finally getting professional teams. We just hate getting Oakland's leftovers. The Knights are the only vegas team. the Raiders aren't ours, the A's won't be ours, and a relocated NBA team won't be ours either.
Joe Lacob, the owner of the Warriors, tried to purchase the team. If someone were to buy the team now the smart move would be to go back to Oakland, or at least somewhere in the East Bay. The problem isn't the town, the fans, or the local leadership. The problem is that ownership doesn't have deep enough pockets to make it work there. Mark Davis was the poorest owner in the NFL. If Fisher has money he's not willing to invest it in the team. The Bay Area is a very large, and more importantly, very wealthy market. If someone were to build the A's a new stadium in Oakland they could be a very successful franchise.
Womp Womp. "Now taking the field...YOUR Northern California A's!" I noticed the A's are playing pretty good right now. I wonder if the endgame is to win the World Series just to have John Fisher be in the most awkward trophy-handing ceremony of all time.
The Sofi Model. As a San Francisco fan. We would like to have something to say about that. We were the first privately funded stadium. Especially for baseball.
With the lift they’ve gotten from Mason Miller I do not see them tailing off. The team itself is for real. Ruiz, Stripling,Langaliers, Rooker…they have some Dudes.
In the 2010's when the A's were drawing upwards of 2 million a year, a large portion of the seating was tarped off and fans were turned away at games. There were plenty of "sellouts" because the team wanted to limit the capacity. There's tons of articles about it from back then.
correct. in 2021 the A's drew horribly. so in 2022 Fisher with no demand RAISED ticket and parking prices. he's basically trying to pull a major league.
Remember the MLB unanimously voted to approve the relocation. I'm sure the Athletics must have a fully detailed, bulletproof plan to relocate the team that somehow must have included using a MiLB stadium in West Sacramento temporarily. This whole thing has been a $#!* show, almost like a low-speed train wreck.
They voted because they told the A's they would get the relcation vote after the City of San Jose sued MLB. It was part of the settlement with the A's that they would be allowed to move to another location just not in the Giants area and they also waived the relocation fees.
If Vegas doesn't want them send them to Portland. They have been trying to get a team for years. Then figure out the rays and if relocation is happening. After that the league can expand and add a team in Vegas and either Nashville or Charlotte. Id say the rays move to one of those as well.
Surprised he’s strapped for $ with that $62 million payroll, the equivalent of what the Yankees are paying Soto and Stanton, Which would have ranked 17th 20 years ago.
Nothing is surprising about this, he dnt have the money in Oakland which by the way is a bigger tv market, why would anyone think he would have the money in Vegas
Dude gets free land, $300M from tax payers, a waived relocation fee and he still can't fund a ballpark
$380m from taxpayers*
Don’t forget the collective bargaining money he gets from all the other owners at the end of each season
@@ohmygonzalez don't forget the national tv money he gets no matter what
Because it's 380 million just for land that's to much money
Don't forget the near free rent he got from vivek in Sacramento
If the MLB had a real commissioner this would have been resolved ages ago.
To put it bluntly, Rob Manfred is a commissioner who can't do his job ⚾👎🤷!
The athletics should go back to kc
Nah. /
@@widk2 Should go back to Philadelphia. ;)
@@widk2 KC can't even afford the Royals anymore.
MLB needs a new commissioner. Stadium renovation and club expansion and relocation mismanagement is out of control.
To put it bluntly, Rob Manfred is a commissioner who can't do his job ⚾👎🤷!
@@ultraman.ultraseven it’s a John fisher scam guaranteed
@@ultraman.ultraseven Rob Manfred hates baseball more than I hate soccer.
They don’t need expansion until the A’s and Rays are figured out The A”s were granted redaction as part of the settlement with the City of San Jose when they were blocked from moving there. Can’t blame the A’s for moving. Oakland has no place to build and no real money Fisher is a horrible owner but not entirely his fault.
The universe has been telling them not to move to Vegas the entire time.
They're moving deal with it
You live in an alternate universe departed from the real universe.
@@theyhaterooe7488not at this rate mlb has a higher chance of putting a relocation team in las Vegas and a’s stay in California
When the A’s moved its radio broadcast off of regular radio to Tune in you know the owners were a joke.
anpanman!
Anything to save a buck
Wow i didn’t realize they left 95.7 the game
They aren’t on traditional radio anymore?
They’re on 960 AM in the Bay Area
As a Vegas resident, I don't know of anyone that wants this team. We would rather get an expansion team we can root for. Just as we did for the Knights.
It is a shame that they have started work on removing the Trop. It was nice having a free place to park for Knights games and concerts at MGM or Mandalay Bay.
We don't need anymore expansion IN MLB though. There is enough teams already, adding more teams just lowers the talent pool. Even the NHL was the best when they had 22-24 teams. Every team had several really good players, nowadays every NHL team has several players that shouldn't be in the NHL
Vegas was very lucky to get the Raiders though. Getting a team that has so much history and mystique was a blessing for Vegas. Not to mention getting a team with such an Iconic logo and name and the Iconic silver and black colors really suit the city of Las Vegas.
Here’s a novel idea: STAY IN OAKLAND and actually work with us. Also, SELL THE TEAM!!!!
#Goas
Oakland is dead.. hell they even trying to change the airport name to look more appealing.. San Fancisco Bay Oakland Airport? REALLY?? they don't even like themselfs....
IMO A’s only makes sense for MLB in the CA Bay Area if they can get a stadium in the South Bay. Maybe Mandraud and the other owners can force the Giants to spot the South Bay and then force Fisher to sell.
I don't see new ownership in Oskland bringing the fans out. Or a new stadium for that matter. Oakland is just not economically what it once was.
NO place to built the HT site is dust, the Port of Oakland is expanding the port which is what they wanted to do in the first place.
@@scotttild there’s plenty of space in Oakland. Hell, there’s room RIGHT NEXT to the current stadium. HT wouldn’t work anyway because it’s off public transit routes. The coliseum has convenience on its side, and there’s lots of space there.
Mlb in Vegas would be better off with an expansion franchise , This A's move is very shady and forced...
We don’t need the A’s in Vegas stay in freaking Oakland!!!!!
How’s this any different from the Raiders??
THANK YOU. As a Vegas local, I would love a baseball team, just not the A’s or John Fisher. And maybe not put the ballpark on the strip too. Have it be off strip for local fans
As a Las Vegas local I will love the A’s and love the location of the stadium… I went to T-Mobile twice in the last week… I saw a lot of locals there!
@@togoandmoss I’d rather not have Fisher’s cheapass here. Maybe if it’s under new ownership and different branding, I’d be open to supporting the team.
I'm a die hard A's fan. I believe Vegas deserves better than Fisher. Vegas either needs an expansion team to emulate the GK's or get a "Nation" team like the Raiders. By that, I mean a team with followers all over the country that would go to Vegas and watch them.
The Oakland ballpark was beautiful. They were only $100 million apart. MLB should contract the A’s and sell the rights to a new owner who would put resources into the club.
Agreed.
Don’t contract, take away the franchise from Fisher
The history would be separated between the 2 Oakland A’s franchises and even if it isn’t, contracting a franchise is a disgrace
Do we really want to contract the Oakland A's??????????
Definitely no contracting the A's. Force this fool owner to sell.
The Oakland Athletics eventually will return to Oakland, will never go ti sxxxty las vegas.
No shit. You thought taxpayers will get towed over
Keep up the pressure As fans... Keep that boycott going!
Everyone forgot how terrible the Giants attendance was while they were at Candlestick
This whole A's to Vegas saga is really a huge mess!!!
I firmly believe that's on purpose.
A'S. situation was/is suspicious mlb being sneaky
No oversight and the antitrust exemption
MLB needs to Frank McCourt him.
Looks like it might be Sacramento
The easy and obvious solution to this situation is to force John Fisher to sell the team, but they won't do it because it sets a precedent.
You can't force him to sell because he is a bad owner. There are bylaws they have to follow. He has not done anything to force him to sell.
I hope they do and then force Arte Moreno to sell the Halos too, but the owners and the league will just protect their owners and do nothing most likely
Fisher, Moreno, Reinsdorf and nutting need to be out of the league. I envy Orioles fans finally getting rid of Angelos.
I could say the same thing to Bruce Sherman too
I'm not sure where the A's will be playing in 5 years. But I'm 100% sure that it won't be a John Fisher team playing in Las Vegas! In Vegas, you can build whatever you can dream of...if you have brains and money. John Fisher, an embarrassment to his family, has neither.
Nah. / nah. Not have brains and money. Not “have brains and money”
"The interior looks a little clownish."
John Fisher: "perfect!"
Citizens here in KC Mo. are fed up with taxes. Property tax up 238% in some areas of voters. Insurance follows County to break it off even further. $500. to $750 a month increase. Not mansions while Co. Exec. asseor, mayor taxes stay down while neighbors either side raised to high heaven. Now we voted down the new stadiums. Mo law states after vote cannot be brought again 1yr. Unscruplos Rep. trying to bring it back in 5mos. Not legal and Jackson Co. going to See Mo. AG in court June to find how and why they broke law. KS. wants 6.5% tax to pay for Chiefs things will not be voted on by citizens STAR Bond. Go for it there is never enough $$ for the millonaires.
Well said... Glad they voted no, don't let them get away with the phony STAR BOND.
I could be wrong but with Fisher and Kaval I don’t even see them moving to Sacramento
Rumors here now is that the team could be up for sale before season’s end
Any source for this info?
@@mobbinkorrectly LA Times wrote a piece last week
Probably don’t have to money to upgrade Sutter Park.
Probably has the money but can’t part with his previous penny’s.
@@rainbowmade1880 you mean he has to spend his own money??? He actually said in the LVRJ article that his family was gonna cover the final shortages. Maybe they told him your on your own.
The economy isn t gonna do this dream much good. I also think the peeps of LV don t wanna be on the hook for this monster as everybody knows this will go over budget.
In terms of the locals being on board, the Las Vegas Aviators are VERY popular, and those Aviators players will be Las Vegas A's players in 2028
Expansion of baseball.is a ridiculous pipe dream.
Baseball already is kind of watered down as is. Not sure what expansion would do for the MLB. If anything, some teams may need to be contracted or teams you know will never win.
Both John fisher and rob Manfred out
Let’s go A’s, Salt Lake City will build you a new stadium with the Rocky Mountains in the outfield!
If A's do actually relocate, I say relocate to Salt lake City. They actually want the Athletics. I know it's not that easy or simple but just move there and call it a day
The A's are the Coyotes of baseball.
Nah they are way worse
@@splashnskillz37 Fr. At least there's a certainty for the Yotes. Peeled off the bandaid fast for yotes fans. This has been grueling for everyone involved in NorCal and Vegas.
The Tropicana Hotel has been sacrificed for nothing.
That shit was going regardless they were bankrupt like most casinos become
please dont come to vegas, taxpayers should not pay for a billionares stadiums.
Does anyone actually think Fisher is going to change his stripes once he gets to LV? I don't see him all of the sudden spending money on FA's or even investing in the team for that matter.
Put the A’s up for sell leave them in Sacramento or move to Salt Lake City and expand to Las Vegas, San Antonio or Salt Lake City. Also move either Miami or Tampa to Nashville
Going from one bad owner to another like Vivek 😵💫 just sell to Lacob
In terms of the team being at .500 right now, as a lifelong A's fan, this is the normal cycle, the past 20 or 30 years. Every time they've had a competitive team, it's always been this big shock to the world. A new ballpark means we can finally stop doing a rebuild every decade.
Viva Las Vegas...
That’s what the twins,marlins and pirates ownership said. Ownership is the most important part of it.
@@Captain_Soloyep and why I stopped being a marlins fan and go Phillies
As a an A’s fan you would know it makes takes fisher spending money. We don’t need a baseball stadium. That doesn’t put wins up.
@@user-ih7hq3es1sVegas still lame AF lol.
City of Oakland is particularly the problem as well. No reason Howard Terminal could not become a reality.
Well if this truly fails and they get new ownership but if MLB still wants the A’s out of Oakland, they should look into the Golden Gate Fields Horse Track since they’ll be out of business this year and Albany and Berkeley do not know what to do with this land.
Too much traffic there. They should move to mare island
They should move out straight out into the middle of the bay. Right in the middle of shipping lanes. 🚢
Couldn’t happen to a better owner.
There's not a "ton" of support in Vegas? I doubt there's even a few pounds of support.
If the A’s go for sale, Ranadive of the Kings won’t outbid Bay Area investors. Joe Lacob of the Warriors is ready to buy, and said he would build at Howard Terminal in Oakland with only private money. I commented here months ago that this was gonna play out.
Another issue, Sacramento has a deficit of over $60 million in this fiscal year. If the city faces deficits in the coming years, they won’t be able to provide funding to the A’s. Buckle up folks.
The A’s are not for sale.
If they put them for sell nobody is outbidding uncle Joe, plus other Bay Area investors that are interested in keeping the team in the east bay. Lacob would have an ownership group ready and have a shovel in the ground by next summer.
It's a done deal!!! The A's are moving to Vegas!!! It sucks!!! John Greedy Fisher, get lost!!!
This is what happens when one man turns his back on his fans and community for financial gain. It's a gamble period. Such a horrible thing to do to encourage the relocation of a team that's so woven into the community of Oakland and the East Bay, putting people's jobs and livelihood at risk for greed and uncertainty especially when they we're only $97 million apart from making the waterfront ballpark in Oakland a reality. Fisher wasn't open to investors then but suddenly in Vegas he is?? Manfred and the owners have their fair share of blame in all of this too.
The elevation in SLC is almost as high as in Denver and mich higher than Phoenix. That will be an issue. MLB probably wouldn't work
Six straight for the A's....But the Twins have won 12 straight! And the AL Central was supposed to be bad, 4 of 5 teams over .500 - it's the AL West that kinda sux so far....And I agree with you, Vega$ and "cheap" don't work there....
John Fisher broke off negotiations with Oakland when they were close to a deal because they said it would take too long for the process to finish. Now he’s in darn near the exact same situation. Even if they try to stay in Sacramento now you have to get the funding all over again and figure all that out, and it’s a lot harder to get free tax money in California that it is in Nevada.
we've had one team move in the last 50 years. what's the point of a relocation fee if it's going to waived when a team finally moves?
I agree with others if MLB had a better Commissioner, the new Commissioner would've gotten the owner out of there, and they could've just gotten the A's to stay in Oakland with a cheaper new ballpark.
A’S TAKE #2 IN THE AL WEST QUALIFY FOR PLAYOFFS FISHER DIES OF SHOCK HOWARD TERMINAL BUILT
I wonder if theres a possibility they end up staying in sac.. sacramento famously has the best fanbase in NBA who saved the Kings from leaving 10 years ago
It's pretty obvious at this point that he negotiated in bad faith with the city of Oakland. Even though we would have been given more "free money" with the Howard Terminal deal, there's no way we could have covered his portion of the larger project.
That's why he cut off negations all of the sudden. To make sure that Oakland could make a final proposal that he couldn't afford, but was too good for the league to let him leave.
Many Athletics fans in or around the SF Bay Area actually live closer to Sacramento than San Jose. I see Sacramento as a lifeline that could keep lifelong A's fans able to go to games.
I live in Vallejo and hope somehow they stay in Sacramento
@@philmccracken179 no doubt. I consider the sf bay area the best pro baseball market in the world when you take into account the success of BOTH teams along with the excellent weather. Losing the A's to Nevada would be a disaster for everybody.
Why is John Fisher still an owner?
Bud Selig/Manfred
@@Captain_Solo I mean of course I know why. It’s ridiculous that Manfred hasn’t made for a better vetting process to be an owner. Especially in the Bay Area where I’m sure they could’ve gotten wealthy investors. Bad business on top of the lack of ethics.
@@andrewkline5577 Bud Selig held a grudge against Oakland because he wanted the team to move to Milwaukee instead. When Finley decided to move out west, Selig resented that decision. Selig despised Wally Haas for buying them in the 80’s and revitalizing the franchise in Oakland. After the team was sold to Schott/Hoffman in 95 Selig was all to happy for the sell. Schott/Hoffman wanted to sell the team to a local ownership group headed by Andy Dolich and Bob Puccini in 99 that were committed to keeping the A’s in Oakland. Selig tabled the vote due to concerns about “financial backing”Selig held off the vote long enough for the exclusive negotiation rights to expire then a few years later when Puccini/Dolich, Lacob and Reggie Jackson led groups wanted to buy the team Selig made sure his Frat buddy Lew Wolff and his partner John Fisher ended up with the team in 2005. What did they do? Tear down the team, raise prices, tarp up the upper deck and tried to move to San Jose before the ink on the contract even dried. If you look up A’s attendance you can see the clear decline in attendance after Wolff and Fisher took over.
A’s fans have been warning us of J Fisher’s shortcomings. This will be a fiasco for MLB.
NHL gave Vegas an expansion team and they have been a contender ever since. Now MLB wants to send the worthless A's to Vegas?!?!? We CAN ALL see how bad they're treating their fans. No thank you!
I can watch the Avaiators( minor league baseball team) in Summerlin ( beautiful Vegas Suburb) and not deal with any of that traffic to watch a team that alienated their fan base and won't invest in players. HELL NO!!! Stay in Oakland!!!
I recently had to cancel a booked special event in Las Vegas. Hidden in my contract obligation was a 15% hotel bed tax. This fee was for funding of this new stadium. This, in addition to several other fees including a $38.00 per person resort fee, 9.75% sales tax, 20% gratuity for staff on the total bill, labor costs at $50.00 per hour x 4 for 8 hours each, etc. Vegas is a terrible gamble.
They have not done anything or approved any new tax so that statement is just flat wrong . The hotel tax has always been there it just keeps going up. It went up when they approved the tax for the Raiders stadium. The Raiders increased the tax by .5c to pay for their stadium. Has nothing to do with the A"s nothing has been approved yet. There has been no vote to extend that tax to pay for the A's. NO funding for the A's has been approved yet and no vote has even been taken.
There is no tax for the new stadium. 44,000,000 visitors a year disagree with you.
Just disband the team put the players in a draft and let other teams draft them
I don't think the ship has completely sailed on an Oakland deal in the scenario that Fisher sells.
1. Yes attendance has been bad for a while, but then again the ownership has been bad for a while too. It's really a chicken or the egg question at this point, but it's hard to blame fans when ownership literally never tries to retain talent, the team rebuilds every 4 years, and meanwhile the stadium has been outdated for decades and is in an underdeveloped part of town.
2. Yes it got ugly between Fisher/MLB and Oakland, but Oakland has already said they will embrace a new ownership group. Fisher was unsurprisingly difficult to work with and did everything he could to burn that relationship to the ground. It wouldn't be the same with a new owner.
3. It's not completely about attendance, market size is a big reason to look at keeping the team in the Bay Area. Pretty much the only reason why there were those late lease extension talks at the Coliseum despite ALL the bad blood was because of the lucrative TV contract. There aren't many markets that bring in as much as the Bay Area does, certainly not in the case of expansion markets. Sac is only happening in fact because they are keeping most of the value of that contract.
4. Oakland does have a leg up on most other prospective cities in terms of willpower to get a deal done as well as having plans in place. If MLB wants to get a new stadium built fast, building at Howard Terminal with a new owner could be one of the simplest and fastest ways. Every other city needs time to pick a site, work on the EIP, fight lawsuits, figure out infrastructure, etc. Oakland already has all that figured out.
5. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. They could either try building a fanbase from scratch and risk another Marlins or Rays situation in a new city, or they can re-commit to a fanbase that has shown to have a lot of diehards but have been punished and worn down by cheap owners for decades. I honestly think there's wisdom in re-committing to Oakland rather than abandoning that fanbase forever.
Oakland is DONE. Get over it.
Every city feels entitled to an expansion team. MLB should not expand. Sacramento will do very nicely.
I would keep this whole situation simple and just move the A's permanently to Sacramento and if Las Vegas would still like a team, then maybe they could get an expansion team in the future.
Keep the A’s in Sac 💯
This whole thing has been a giant mess moving to Vegas. They need to move to salt lake. Or permanently move to Sacramento and get a ballpark built there.
They just need to leave Oakland. Get a new owner and pick a new city.
Sacramento is the best option for the A's franchise, and that includes Oakland being on the table.
Agreed. You have 7-8 counties in the Sac area that are about 30 minutes away from the city and unlike being in Oakland, you don't have to compete with Oracle Park , arguably the best park in MLB being 15-20 minutes away from you.
I for one would love to no longer have to drive 2 hours to see a baseball game and then spend another 2 hours driving back. Especially after a loss.
We do NOT want Fisher in Las Vegas. Give us an expansion team.
“ This is when the Fun Begins 🔥🤣 ⚾️ “
Just sale the damn team to an owner that really care and have the money to put a good product on the field , this is getting embarrassing for MLB.
Ding ding. Fisher has been a steaming pile of a dumpster fire since day one wanting to relocate. Vegas take notice!
All I need is about 20 to 25,000 seats should be able to afford that
Can’t wait for the A’s to leave Oakland and see the B’s
Must not be a real A's fan!
This is a complete disorganized mess and I will laugh to high heaven if this were to fall through. It's the plot of the first 'Major League' movie playing out in real life with John Fisher playing the role of the stripper owner.
Nothing I would love better than if fisher sold the A’s and they moved to San Jose as a big fuck you to the giants who blocked the A’s from moving there years ago saying it’s territorial rights
Sacramento, the capital city of California. Their population is around 530,000 people. That's not enough population to sustain 82 games for a baseball season. Plus the TV revenue is going to shrink and stink. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Sacramento is a smaller TV market then Las Vegas. Nobody from the bay area is going to want to drive up to Sacramento to watch a game when they can just go to san francisco. Oh, and did you forget about the heat in sacramento. It's going to be very difficult for the A's. To play in sacramento. It's like the texas rangers ballpark The heat is unbearable in the summertime. They're going to have to build a dome. If the A's were to build a ballpark in Sacramento.
Sac metro population is around 2.4 mil and rising. Sac tv market rank 20th and Vegas rank 40th. Sac heat is dry during the summer and cool during the night (delta breeze).
Sacramento has great weather in the summer smh
Las Vegas should get their own team and move the Oakland a’s to central California
As a Canadian I hope and pray the Rays move to Montreal and revive the Expos especially with how the owners have flirted with Montreal for the past decade BUT they must be the opposite of Fisher and realize we'd welcome them BUT Quebec is unable to pay the lion's share of a new stadium and need the team to pitch in and have the money
I know it's privately funded but Vegas DOESN'T need to spend ten billion on an NBA arena when they can use T-Mobile Arena where the Golden Knights play as well as the Las Vegas Aces. If that happens I'll roll my eyes as it seems a waste like Intuit Dome in LA for the Clippers
Also it's not the So-Fi model it's the California model as Chase Arena in San Francisco was fully privately funded as well as maybe the Intuit Dome
I’m a lifelong a’s fan and I miss the Expos
The Angels should be moving to Vegas, Arty spends, obviously bad contracts, but at least he tries
The roof of the proposed Vegas stadium looks to be about only 47 meters high which would mean the balls would hit the roof, the A's would move to Vegas, based on history they will tell Fisher either move to Charles Schwab stadium in Omaha Nebraska which is already holds 24,000 seats and can be expanded to 35,000 seats or sell the team and depending on who the new owner is would build a new stadium in Oakland or move to Portland which would make perfect sense.
If they're going to leave the Bay, just build a legit ball park in Sacramento.
Oakland is a headache. Vegas is a headache. Sacramento has a bigger TV market and is still NorCal with built in A's fans.
Fix MLB:
A's >> Sacramento/San Jose
Marlins >> Nashville
Rays >> Orlando
Vegas >> Expansion
SLC >> Expansion
White Sox, Angels, DBacks, Cardinals can figure it out
A’s can’t move to sj. The giants already blocked that.
Two many inaccurate statements in the video to counter them all … May 16th the Private financing of the stadium will most likely be explained in the Stadium authority meeting. People in the know of the situation are not concerned about anything.
It never ceases to amaze me how many sports writers who have NO clue about stadium financing are saying that the Vegas ballpark is running into funding problems.
This A’s Owner has “CHEAP SKATE” Behavior. MLB NEEDS to get Rid of Him. Make Las Vegas an EXPANSION Team. “ENOUGH” with this Owner.
Yeah, wait for an expansion team. Vegas already has to contend with the Raiders and the various criminal pathologies afflicting their "fans" visiting from California
Sacramento is a baseball town and will prove it in the next 3-4 years with the attendance at A’s games. There are so many MLB players from this area like Steve Sax, Dusty Baker, Greg Vaughn, Rhys Hoskins, and Logan Webb, just to name a few. Sacramento is the highest market with only 1 major sports league and deserves another one. Especially baseball.
Fisher showed one more time he was in trouble when with two weeks to go before he has to submit his financing plan to the LV Stadium Authority for review, he hired an outside firm to obtain $500 million. Why he 'waited' until a week ago is beyond me...
Being from Vegas, I love that we are finally getting professional teams. We just hate getting Oakland's leftovers. The Knights are the only vegas team. the Raiders aren't ours, the A's won't be ours, and a relocated NBA team won't be ours either.
Vivek Ranadive owner of Kings & A’s ‘????
There are a ton of A's fans already in Sacramento due to it's relative location down the freeway from Oakland.
Joe Lacob, the owner of the Warriors, tried to purchase the team. If someone were to buy the team now the smart move would be to go back to Oakland, or at least somewhere in the East Bay. The problem isn't the town, the fans, or the local leadership. The problem is that ownership doesn't have deep enough pockets to make it work there. Mark Davis was the poorest owner in the NFL. If Fisher has money he's not willing to invest it in the team. The Bay Area is a very large, and more importantly, very wealthy market. If someone were to build the A's a new stadium in Oakland they could be a very successful franchise.
Let's be real here, they're going to stay in Sac
Let's be real, the A's are moving to Vegas.
Womp Womp. "Now taking the field...YOUR Northern California A's!"
I noticed the A's are playing pretty good right now. I wonder if the endgame is to win the World Series just to have John Fisher be in the most awkward trophy-handing ceremony of all time.
The Sofi Model. As a San Francisco fan. We would like to have something to say about that. We were the first privately funded stadium. Especially for baseball.
With the lift they’ve gotten from Mason Miller I do not see them tailing off. The team itself is for real. Ruiz, Stripling,Langaliers, Rooker…they have some Dudes.
Move the Oakland A's to Paducah Kentucky build a 20,000 seat stadium and that'll be good enough
In the 2010's when the A's were drawing upwards of 2 million a year, a large portion of the seating was tarped off and fans were turned away at games. There were plenty of "sellouts" because the team wanted to limit the capacity.
There's tons of articles about it from back then.
correct.
in 2021 the A's drew horribly. so in 2022 Fisher with no demand RAISED ticket and parking prices. he's basically trying to pull a major league.
Fisher should just sell the team if he can’t get a stadium built in LV. I rather see the Angels come to LV
Remember the MLB unanimously voted to approve the relocation. I'm sure the Athletics must have a fully detailed, bulletproof plan to relocate the team that somehow must have included using a MiLB stadium in West Sacramento temporarily.
This whole thing has been a $#!* show, almost like a low-speed train wreck.
They voted because they told the A's they would get the relcation vote after the City of San Jose sued MLB. It was part of the settlement with the A's that they would be allowed to move to another location just not in the Giants area and they also waived the relocation fees.
If Vegas doesn't want them send them to Portland. They have been trying to get a team for years. Then figure out the rays and if relocation is happening. After that the league can expand and add a team in Vegas and either Nashville or Charlotte. Id say the rays move to one of those as well.
Surprised he’s strapped for $ with that $62 million payroll, the equivalent of what the Yankees are paying Soto and Stanton, Which would have ranked 17th 20 years ago.
They certainly aren’t making much of any money from fan stadium attendance.
@@Mr.Ed_WaynerA’s still get revenue sharing money and 70 million in tv rights. Ownership just pockets it then cries poor
Nothing is surprising about this, he dnt have the money in Oakland which by the way is a bigger tv market, why would anyone think he would have the money in Vegas