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Same thing I thought. At this point the BMM is more of an inside joke for CIG than anything else. John Crew roll his eyes out of their orbits every time he hears the name.
Came here to reply to this as well. The BMM was the third alien ship ever offered, after the Vanduul Scythe and the Khartu-al scout, back in November 2013. I think STL owes the large lady an apology!
As soon as I seen this ship- I wanted it. The aesthetics and the whole “look” is just cool, futuristic, and alien. This is the kind of work I expect from Chris and CIG.
The Hull-C can't land on planets when laden. The Hull-B is nowhere near as well shielded or armed. The Hull series are essentially helpless. You have to either bring an escort or restrict yourself to tradelanes where there's essentially no risk of attack. If you don't value the large shield gens or the four s4 weapons, then that's cool, but it's not crazy-expensive for what it brings to the 'verse.
Indeed. Two large shields mean you're practically invincible to single fighter pirates. The Hull series is gonna be the "noob tube" of cargo hauling, 90% of them will be npcs via quanta, and very vulnerable to piracy. Even if you dont lose your ship, half your cargo will fall off. I think people dont realize that the Hull isnt really meant as a secure transport..
@@Baleur exactly - the Hull series is 100% meant as a bulk carrier for goods that likely aren’t even worth stealing, such as cheap raw materials or low-level goods like food.
@@spartan117zm yea, I'm hoping the hull series will be useful for industry hauling. Load up a hull with raw ore right in the area your group is mining. Take it back in bulk for refining. Especially the c, d and e, they probably won't be used for anything valuable.
The Hull B holds 20% more cargo, is less than half the price to buy, is designed to be operated by a single pilot for much lower crew costs, and smaller components mean cheaper operation and maintenance. That means that in most cases, the Hull is going to be much more profitable to run, even with the occasional loss to pirates. Even with weapons and shields, the Railen isn't a combat ship. It's still going to be a big slow target to most attackers. Both ships have a place in the 'verse though, which is good for all of us.
Great looking ship! One of the most unique designs in Star Citizen. Unfortunately, my money faucet for CIG has been temporarily suspended until the necessary back-end improvements are made to make this a true MMO.
If you have the option, I'd suggest getting some 5$ CCU from Defender/Terrapin to the Railen, so you can use them later on without missing on the concept-price.
@@MadIIMike Eh, it would just add to my already exorbitant hangar. I have the money to spend, I'm just not really keen to fork over any more of it until some REAL noticeable changes happen. It's time.
@@reimos536 Ah, no, I wasn't suggesting spending more money, just getting some CCU for Store Credits (if you have some left), since it'll likely increase in price. I have like half of my money in CCU-chains floating around.
It's an interesting ship and those large shields are a rare find for a ship of this type. But it's role is pretty well covered already. Hull B is considerably cheaper for safe systems. Easier to maintain in human space and lower crew requirements too. Hull C is way above for bulk cargo. Also easy to maintain for being a common ship. Starfarer is better armed, can haul small vehicles and can refuel. At least Gemini comes with more armour, likely the standard too. Caterpillar carries more, is easy to maintain being a Drake ship and is modular. Hercules carries more with less crew, good in atmosphere and can transport vehicles. M2 has heavy armour.
I guess the value of this ship is really going to be based on how much of an advantage does it have in some areas over the Hull B e.g planetary landings, possibly better protected and faster? Better components etc. If you find that you can do cargo runs much faster and to more lucrative areas in this ship over the Hull series then that will definately help negate the cargo deficit it has compared to the Hull series. Also let's be honest this ship is a he'll of a lot cooler than the Hull B 😂
In my opinion, all the cons he had listed stating compatibility with docking; not being able to load/unload, or taking longer to load/unload, or only able to load/unload at specilised places, etc, would add interesting value and gameply to the ship. Hear me out, these issues will be faced in HUMAN space only, where as if you are to trade in Xian space, the troubles will be the other way around, therefore the value would be greater trading in local Xian worlds. To add, trading in Banu space, no one will have issues as they trade with everyone; they would have better universal facilities.
@@Nagasaski Yeah if CIG decide to make it harder for human ships in Xi'an space to dock, load, unload etc this ship will definately have a big advantage for haulers looking to travel between the two cultures as it is a ship designed for both species use. That's a great point dude because if that is the case that could add a big boost to profits!
Don't forget that the Hull's are a lot weaker for the same cargo, potentially slower (especially when loaded), making them a bigger pirate target. I would imagine that the Hull's will require some serious mercenary work to be able to do their runs, or to stay in safe zones, compared to this one. I think a better comparison is the C2, which still carries more (and may end at a similar price when both are in the same state, aka released).
The "value" of this ship is stability and security. The large power plant, shield and planetside diversity, compared to the Hull variants makes the RAILEN worth it. But let's see where it ends. It's still in development.
There's a difference here. A hull may need an escort or else you risk losing everything. Theyre slow and can't really defend themselves. This new railen I can see defending itself a lot better and even being able to escape danger. In my mind I picture the hulls as massive cargo planes focused just to move massive amounts of goods while we have the smaller ships like the railen that are more like a small armored security truck that's capable of hulling more expensive and riskier items.
I see so many people looking at ships from a min-max point of view and I don't understand that. If you're going to be spending money on this game, real money, why wouldn't you just buy something that you enjoy using seeing as though you're going to be spending the majority of your time looking at it and playing with it. There is also nothing that really compares to the Railen, despite people comparing it to the Hull-B and C2. Yes, the Railen and the Hull-B carry similar amounts of cargo, but the Hull-B is fodder for literally ANY ship that's been released so far if they feel like attacking it. This is the cheapest ship to be released with TWO LARGE SHIELDS AND a solid amount of cargo. The Hull-B is vulnerable to a random new guy in an aurora spinning in circles and shooting because he doesn't know how to fly yet. The C2 is nearly double the cost for double the cargo, and has far, far worse turret coverage because it was primarily designed as a vehicle transport for planets. There is literally no other ship that is offering what this thing is offering currently let alone at it's price. It's a hugely well defended, good value, medium alien cargo ship, will full onboard living amenities.
For me this ship fills a hole in the my hanger for something around that cargo capacity... Plus it looks really cool and I can't wait for the sounds... They are probably going to be awesome to listen too.
It seems the designers were comparing this (in mind) more to a Constellation Taurus. But since the Railen is a dedicated cargo hauler (and cannot carry a vehicle for instance), you would hope for a bit more value in terms of cargo capacity or efficiency or something, in that sense. I do love the design of the ship. And I really hope it purrs well, like the Khartu Al does.
You want to carry cargo? Get a Hull C for $25 more and you get 4,608 SCU versus the 320 SCU of the Railen. Want to do cargo solo? Hull B for $90 carries 384 SCU and can still land on planets while loaded.
@@sabatheus It's pretty and I kinda want one, but I just don't see the value. Even if you want a "protected transport", you'd be better off with a Taurus or Caterpillar.
@@JookySeaCpt yeah i really like the interior design for the Railen compared to the Defender. Banu interior is very dingy feeling and dark. Xi'An interior looks futuristic and clean. BMM is functionally much better for cargo with the SCU count compared to the Railen, but the Railen is so much cleaner
The 2 large shields to me make it a worth while buy. It has the same shields as a Carrack (2 large) vs the Hull-B only having 2 medium. On average 1 large shield's health pool is = to 3 medium shields health pool. So its about 3x the shields. Also I'm an alien ship fanboi.
Beware, stats of old concept ships like the hull series are just obsolete garbage, absolutely unreliable. That said I agree with you, this ship has a lot of large componets for its pricetag. Maybe they forgot to apply the "alien tax" 😁
I can see this being useful as another alternative for cargo runs into high pvp or pirate areas. You'd have the M2 or this ship as options depending on the circumstances.
It's heavily armed and has very strong Shields. It should be a decent blockade runner. The Hull series is far weaker and as you say, can't land on a planet with cargo attached. It's a The Railen is a great deal in my opinion.
yeah and the hull B and C will be torn apart by pirates since they will be slow and unmaneuverable, while xian ships are support to be the most maneuverable ships so in dangerous space I think this ship could even beat out a cat in hauling through dangerous space. As it would trade some guns and cargo for better armor and maneuverability
Great breakdown. I think this is a highly 'liveable' ship, which will hold a lot of appeal for space truckers with those defences. If I was a dedicated space trucker I'd be hard pressed not to think this was the ship I was waiting for.
The looks and 2xS3 Shields are the reason to buy this thing. Its gonna be real hard to take down this ship with just fighters. On the other hand, you actually need multiple people just to be able to fire guns.
Ok it is more expensive than the hull B for less cargo but the hull be will free pickings in more dangerous space same with the hull c both will be really easy targets. The hull c has very similar components and weapon power to the railen but way less maneuverability. Like the railen will be the most maneuverable ship for its size because that's how xian is. But for dangerous space this will be an amazing ship. Same for cat which has more turrets but will be less maneuverable and will probably have similar health and tankyness. This ship is going to be one of the top dangerous space haulers imo. Its smaller then things like an M2 or more protected hauler and its cheaper then those ships. So its a more maneuverable cat which trades scu and 3 size 3 turrets for more speed and manerverablility.
As of right now I would lean towards the Railen over the Hull B comes more protection with 2 large shield generators and the Hull B only comes with 1 medium shield generator. The Railen also comes with 2 manned turrets and a 20 missile loadout. The Hull B has 2 Remote turrets and no missiles as of yet but this could change at release. And my guess is the Railen might even be faster TBD though. And not to mention in the Railen you can land on planet surface fully laden where as in Hull B it's not possible
@@stannistargaryen Depending if the top spar of the Hull B can be used when landing planetside, the Hull B is reduced to either 288 with the top or 192 SCU with only the side spars in use. EITHER way, the Railen has the advantage, more if the latter. The Hull B still comes out on top with its price, and crew requirement, and will carry more when landing is not necessary.
I was interested in the Taurus until they remove the large bathroom from it and I realized that in order for it to be competitive with the hull series it needed to be increased in size. I romanticized thew Taurus as a throw back, the oldest among the constellation line, figuring that would explain why it had some creature comforts that even the phoenix didn't have. And it was rumored that hygiene would play a role with getting to know the higher end traders and I liked that, seemed like a perfect match. Then CIG said none of that was going to happen and now I don't have a hauler but I like this one, seems more realistic to have a hauler that has floors so as someone with only a MSR for potential hauling(but it's more of a smuggler) I want it but I don't want to give CIG any more money.
another thing to also consider is the fun factor. I could buy a Hull-E to get the absolute maximum of maximum cargo capacity, but I hate the look of it and I wouldn't enjoy flying it. With that in mind, I gladly take a hit in capacity for a more fun and unique flying experience in my eyes
I love how you detailed all the information about this new ship. I wish I had seen this video beforehand, since I did an impulse buy when I saw it, and then learned later that there really are no pilot controlled weapons aside from the missiles, which is a major downside for me...so, now I'm wondering if I should do a melt request or keep the dang thing...
I'm hoping that it's a great fit for salvage operations Enough firepower, shields (and hopefully maneuverability) to sort of help with the initial fight Tractor beams to help the eva crew and vultures with moving stuff around Easy access external cargo for the eva crews to place components/loot. Also to transfer inventory from vultures
What I think you didn't quite take into account was that this ship is truly a hybrid. The value of accommodating Xian crew may help you in a lot of situations. The added heavy defense for a smaller cargo ship adds a lot of value too. I feel like this can stand up to pirates in comparison to the hull series. A good video, but in my opinion being able to have Xian crew to help you navigate to places better, or to help you find traditionally kept Xian secrets really adds to the value of the ship.
The Hull series hasn’t had their numbers updated to the new SCU system, more realistic estimates from the Hull C community have it at between 768 and like 1024 SCU.
False, the Hull series were actually the first ships to release with the (then new) SCU system. robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14661-A-Hull-For-Every-Job-The-MISC-Hull-Series
Solid investment i think, i've got so many ships but i melted the C2 for this and bought a prospector with the left over change. The loss in cargo is fine when you can add mining profits to the table. Plus this is sexier than Miranda Kerr.
I had a bunch of little ships, amongst them a Nomad which i just really like the design of. But that's a bunch of ingame-earnable things for the rest of my fleet. The Railen is functional enough, but also cool enough, that i finally melted all that little stuff and upgraded my LTI Hawk. That said, i am less of a min maxer, but more of an opportunist with medium RP interest.
Sooo, Just to add about that hull b comparison. As you mentioned, like this ship, it can land planetside fully loaded. But one big difference is that the hull b is a 1 man crew. This thing is doing a similar cargo count needing closer to a 4 man crew. That said, the railen should have a better range (I think?) over the hull b. I feel like when looking at firepower and crew complement, it seems to be a more closer match up between the railen and the cat. Cat carries more, but is also longer. Both are similarly equipped on the turrets, but the cat gets guns for the pilot while the railen gives 20 missiles to the pilots. Both are 4 man vessels. The cat also costs $100 more for something like half again the capacity of the railen. One thing not being looked at here and one I'm curious about but won't know the details of until it is actually in the game is the maneuverability. It is still a cargo ship, but how bad are those blind spots in reality? Is this thing going to be able to spin around pretty damn fast (for a freighter) similar to the crazy stunts you can do with the khartu'al? Unlike the cat where getting the pilot's guns on target is unlikely to happen, can this agility allow it to better bring to bear and use those missile racks.
Well I guess it's pretty cool and yeah it's 200 but the Hull B probably won't be able to land on planets with all that cargo and its the same with Hull C so you're really looking at the lancer Max, the Taurus or the Cat as similar comparisons all in all its not that bad
I think this ship is by far of a great design in the era it is built in I think it will do great in a Xian semi system of humans and Xian. It might have some lesser cargo capacity, but might have speed agility and shielding for those just in case encounters you run into and all cargo has a size limit - making it unique to that niche of cargo hauling giving more appeal to a system vs a long hauler, inner planetary to a system distributor type affair. It is a newer ship, so less to go wrong, it's is not a another ship and had a conversion to make it fit another purpose. therefore it has streamline for that purpose, and showing up to be evaluated, and your going to get the contract, very competitive looking.
I like the looks of the ship, but I can't really see why I would pay 200$ (warbond) for a cargoship with 320 SCU and not splash the extra bucks (95$) for the caterpillar that comes with 574 SCU and has a detachable command module allowing for more types of gameplay..
@@felixxu432 True, but it's a better ship imo.. Personally if I had 200$ I'd prob go for a mercury or corsair instead. I don't really see the value in this hauler.. Other than the exfoliation experience :)
Hull B more compact and more SCU and only $90. Railen is ridiculously sized and holds less SCU and is $200.... That is one of the most expensive alien taxes so far. And triangles are about the worst possible container configuration.
Railen; seems to be a quality ship to carry quality cargo - pragmatic for everyday use with some upscale amenities... i.e. something to sell high value cargo like the current audio-visual equipment commodity
@@CmdrGamagosk still haven't answered the question but as an original backer, I know about upgrading ships. I still don't see your point or why you think this ship is worth anything other than the 'it's alien and different', maybe that's it.. /shrug. if that's it, cool, I was just curious
Don't forget that this is a Xi'an ship with different design language from the Aopoa fighter line, which means it's going to have to pay the *other* alien tax *in full*: it won't even be put on the roadmap for another two years at least, in all likelihood.
Been considering investing in an Alien ship again, Had the Talon but melted it down because it just felt weak and had that now fixed issue with canopy shutting off and opening randomly, only 2 guns... but I digress... Have an MSR and a Freelancer MIS already so have cargo and information transport viability, a Prospector and a ROC for mining. Though this ship would hold more, it requires to many crew to defend itself... meaning basically useless without other players against an attack. I also have "trust issues" with players on my ship(s), piracy, mutiny and murder, anyone else? Or is that just me? I have looked over the specs for the current batch of Alien vessels, such as the defender and such, but thanks to this video have decided to wait for a smaller salvage vessel such as the "Vulture" to help fill out my single player resource mining line-up. One note I also own a 315p and a Buccaneer, for fast travel and light fighting/bounty, and possibly use them to upgrade to a future ship, but would rather wait till a flyable version of said ship exists, this "in Concept" stuff leaves to many possibilities for eventual specs... I need to know the + and - of a ship before I buy... not "might change or current specs only." As for the M2, C2 and eventual A2, or the "Hull" series, unless you are part of an Org, larger ships mean more expensive losses and upkeep. See you in the verse...
Something else to consider in Railen vs. Hull B is 2 large vs. 2 medium shields, if the notoriously out of date website is to be trusted about both ships.
The Hull-B will not cost $90. The Hull-A is the $90 Hull variant and it only holds 64 SCU. I realize this video was made a few years ago, but that is how it stands now.
Hulls cannot land - so not really comparable. If Lorville needs supplies that’s a much harder proposition with a hull. Railen fits in a spot between freelancer max and caterpillar.
In addition to the alien tax, I think you are paying for the xian speed, so you can do more in less time while the hull series are more slow and steady. Also the big shield and 2x s4 turrets make people think twice about attacking unless the xian engine problems persist in game.
As someone who wants to upgrade from the Freelancer Max to the Connie Taurus, I don't mind the price difference to the Railen to get a Taurus as a loaner in the meantime.
Tbh I think it's too cheap. The "alien tax" serves a valuable purpose imo, in that it makes ships that are rare in lore rare in game. It's like in the Combat Mission games, where you have a pool of "rarity points" that you use up when buying units that were uncommon in the setting (like a King Tiger in December 1944). If alien ships weren't more expensive than equivalent human ships, then we would see too many of them, making them no more Exotic than Toyota, just a foreign manufacturer.
Love the design, but forced myself to wait for your analysis before actually buying. Especially with its size and alienness the price seemed a little too low, there had to be a catch. Your video did not disappoint. The possibility of the unique cargo pods having gameplay differences aside from just visual differences seems very likely to be a catch. And comparing the price with the competitors below its price point and above it really puts things in good perspective. It's a very pretty ship, and a good first Xian interior for the PU. But as a cargo hauler, the alternatives are plenty and just much safer choices (with all kinds of design choices...I still love you, Hercules). So I'll instead look forward to Xian ships with interiors with different and maybe also more unique roles, like, a multicrew racer. Thanks again for the really helpful video!
Shield emitters are on the roadmap for 3.16 : "Converting ship shield-emitters into physical objects that can be targeted and destroyed, giving players the ability to permanently disable enemy shields."
CaptHank-I see it as an ingame buy. I want it but won't really need it. Not going to put real world money to it. Until we know more about container compatibility, the Catapillar and C2 can still get more planetside.
Thanks for sharing. It seems that the only weapons the pilot can control are missiles? I wonder how tractor beam gameplay works with this kind of external container. This is the first ship I see that has its scanner (medium) listed. What happens to the cargo when you get hit by an EMP?
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One of the points you missed is that I think the Railen will be really difficult to land if some of the arms get shot off...I do agree that this ship probably isn't worth it given the more effective options that the Railen competes with for its price.
Based on fleshed out the WIP animations and renders are, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a Q4 release just like the Talon was last year after its initial summer concept sale. The cargo refactor is also slated to be done by year’s end so the timing would make sense.
Just a heads up, when referring to larger Hull vessels, most have not had their data updated with the "new" SCU measurements. CIG have been dragging their feet on updating all their information. So don't take the Hulls current stats to heart.
Wow! I admit I haven't followed your channel closely for awhile, but you actually gave a definitive No in a Should You Buy? video. You used to always say, "Well, if you're the kind of person who likes X,Y,Z then yes, you will find value in this ship."
you can't compare it that much with the Hull Series, the Hull Series can not land on a planet. It is build to transport massive of cargo in the verse imo.
Agreed, would probably buy it in game because I love the design and find aliens very interesting, but I would love for the capacity to be increased before it goes on sale
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The scratch wall is for the ship's cat.
Ack! Pssft.
Thpppppppppt!
Xi'nyan?
It's for the turtle aliens to exfoliate on
"the first alien industrial ship"
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Right? My first thought as well.
Same thing I thought. At this point the BMM is more of an inside joke for CIG than anything else. John Crew roll his eyes out of their orbits every time he hears the name.
Came here to reply to this as well. The BMM was the third alien ship ever offered, after the Vanduul Scythe and the Khartu-al scout, back in November 2013. I think STL owes the large lady an apology!
Could you say the BMM is more of a commercial ship? It's a mobile shop, right?
As soon as I seen this ship- I wanted it. The aesthetics and the whole “look” is just cool, futuristic, and alien. This is the kind of work I expect from Chris and CIG.
It looks dope love the default colorscheme as well
The more realistic ones are better, this is cool too but they should definitely be sticking to what they’ve been doing.
As soon as I saw*
Hopefully I can eventually hire some Xian NPC's to crew my Railen just to see them utilize that scratch wall.
I mean, people likely bought the ship for the scratch wall.
The Hull-C can't land on planets when laden. The Hull-B is nowhere near as well shielded or armed.
The Hull series are essentially helpless. You have to either bring an escort or restrict yourself to tradelanes where there's essentially no risk of attack. If you don't value the large shield gens or the four s4 weapons, then that's cool, but it's not crazy-expensive for what it brings to the 'verse.
I agree. I consider this to be a budget competitor to the Hercules series
Indeed. Two large shields mean you're practically invincible to single fighter pirates.
The Hull series is gonna be the "noob tube" of cargo hauling, 90% of them will be npcs via quanta, and very vulnerable to piracy. Even if you dont lose your ship, half your cargo will fall off.
I think people dont realize that the Hull isnt really meant as a secure transport..
@@Baleur exactly - the Hull series is 100% meant as a bulk carrier for goods that likely aren’t even worth stealing, such as cheap raw materials or low-level goods like food.
@@spartan117zm yea, I'm hoping the hull series will be useful for industry hauling. Load up a hull with raw ore right in the area your group is mining. Take it back in bulk for refining.
Especially the c, d and e, they probably won't be used for anything valuable.
The Hull B holds 20% more cargo, is less than half the price to buy, is designed to be operated by a single pilot for much lower crew costs, and smaller components mean cheaper operation and maintenance. That means that in most cases, the Hull is going to be much more profitable to run, even with the occasional loss to pirates. Even with weapons and shields, the Railen isn't a combat ship. It's still going to be a big slow target to most attackers. Both ships have a place in the 'verse though, which is good for all of us.
Great looking ship! One of the most unique designs in Star Citizen.
Unfortunately, my money faucet for CIG has been temporarily suspended until the necessary back-end improvements are made to make this a true MMO.
If you have the option, I'd suggest getting some 5$ CCU from Defender/Terrapin to the Railen, so you can use them later on without missing on the concept-price.
@@MadIIMike Eh, it would just add to my already exorbitant hangar. I have the money to spend, I'm just not really keen to fork over any more of it until some REAL noticeable changes happen. It's time.
@@reimos536 Ah, no, I wasn't suggesting spending more money, just getting some CCU for Store Credits (if you have some left), since it'll likely increase in price.
I have like half of my money in CCU-chains floating around.
I agree. They have been promising the tech they need for what seems like forever. I have not put in since 2017 and still waiting.
I love a lot about this ship, but then again I also like a lot of new shiny things
You would like the full game a lot better.
It's an interesting ship and those large shields are a rare find for a ship of this type. But it's role is pretty well covered already.
Hull B is considerably cheaper for safe systems. Easier to maintain in human space and lower crew requirements too.
Hull C is way above for bulk cargo. Also easy to maintain for being a common ship.
Starfarer is better armed, can haul small vehicles and can refuel. At least Gemini comes with more armour, likely the standard too.
Caterpillar carries more, is easy to maintain being a Drake ship and is modular.
Hercules carries more with less crew, good in atmosphere and can transport vehicles. M2 has heavy armour.
This is the perfect cargo ship for me. I love Xian ships and wanted a small medium hauler. This fits the bill to a t.
I guess the value of this ship is really going to be based on how much of an advantage does it have in some areas over the Hull B e.g planetary landings, possibly better protected and faster? Better components etc. If you find that you can do cargo runs much faster and to more lucrative areas in this ship over the Hull series then that will definately help negate the cargo deficit it has compared to the Hull series. Also let's be honest this ship is a he'll of a lot cooler than the Hull B 😂
In my opinion, all the cons he had listed stating compatibility with docking; not being able to load/unload, or taking longer to load/unload, or only able to load/unload at specilised places, etc, would add interesting value and gameply to the ship. Hear me out, these issues will be faced in HUMAN space only, where as if you are to trade in Xian space, the troubles will be the other way around, therefore the value would be greater trading in local Xian worlds. To add, trading in Banu space, no one will have issues as they trade with everyone; they would have better universal facilities.
@@Nagasaski Yeah if CIG decide to make it harder for human ships in Xi'an space to dock, load, unload etc this ship will definately have a big advantage for haulers looking to travel between the two cultures as it is a ship designed for both species use. That's a great point dude because if that is the case that could add a big boost to profits!
Don't forget that the Hull's are a lot weaker for the same cargo, potentially slower (especially when loaded), making them a bigger pirate target. I would imagine that the Hull's will require some serious mercenary work to be able to do their runs, or to stay in safe zones, compared to this one. I think a better comparison is the C2, which still carries more (and may end at a similar price when both are in the same state, aka released).
Also it's a fair comparison given both can land on planets.
The "value" of this ship is stability and security. The large power plant, shield and planetside diversity, compared to the Hull variants makes the RAILEN worth it. But let's see where it ends. It's still in development.
This is one hell of a unique Hull, I’m intrigued
Amen here. Upgraded my hull b to it.
There's a difference here. A hull may need an escort or else you risk losing everything. Theyre slow and can't really defend themselves. This new railen I can see defending itself a lot better and even being able to escape danger.
In my mind I picture the hulls as massive cargo planes focused just to move massive amounts of goods while we have the smaller ships like the railen that are more like a small armored security truck that's capable of hulling more expensive and riskier items.
I see so many people looking at ships from a min-max point of view and I don't understand that. If you're going to be spending money on this game, real money, why wouldn't you just buy something that you enjoy using seeing as though you're going to be spending the majority of your time looking at it and playing with it. There is also nothing that really compares to the Railen, despite people comparing it to the Hull-B and C2.
Yes, the Railen and the Hull-B carry similar amounts of cargo, but the Hull-B is fodder for literally ANY ship that's been released so far if they feel like attacking it. This is the cheapest ship to be released with TWO LARGE SHIELDS AND a solid amount of cargo. The Hull-B is vulnerable to a random new guy in an aurora spinning in circles and shooting because he doesn't know how to fly yet. The C2 is nearly double the cost for double the cargo, and has far, far worse turret coverage because it was primarily designed as a vehicle transport for planets.
There is literally no other ship that is offering what this thing is offering currently let alone at it's price. It's a hugely well defended, good value, medium alien cargo ship, will full onboard living amenities.
For me this ship fills a hole in the my hanger for something around that cargo capacity... Plus it looks really cool and I can't wait for the sounds... They are probably going to be awesome to listen too.
The sound effects are one of my favorite things about alien ships in SC. That's tempting me to pick one of these up, too, so you're not alone!
It seems the designers were comparing this (in mind) more to a Constellation Taurus. But since the Railen is a dedicated cargo hauler (and cannot carry a vehicle for instance), you would hope for a bit more value in terms of cargo capacity or efficiency or something, in that sense. I do love the design of the ship. And I really hope it purrs well, like the Khartu Al does.
You want to carry cargo? Get a Hull C for $25 more and you get 4,608 SCU versus the 320 SCU of the Railen. Want to do cargo solo? Hull B for $90 carries 384 SCU and can still land on planets while loaded.
This--all day long. I looked at the 320 SCU and was scratching my head. I'll keep all of my other haulers, thank you.
@@sabatheus It's pretty and I kinda want one, but I just don't see the value. Even if you want a "protected transport", you'd be better off with a Taurus or Caterpillar.
Exactly. Buy this only if you really want an alien ship.
@Jeremiah Bond I do have a Cat to BMM CCU from before the price went up, but after seeing the Defender, I kind of hate the Banu interior design.
@@JookySeaCpt yeah i really like the interior design for the Railen compared to the Defender. Banu interior is very dingy feeling and dark. Xi'An interior looks futuristic and clean. BMM is functionally much better for cargo with the SCU count compared to the Railen, but the Railen is so much cleaner
The 2 large shields to me make it a worth while buy. It has the same shields as a Carrack (2 large) vs the Hull-B only having 2 medium. On average 1 large shield's health pool is = to 3 medium shields health pool. So its about 3x the shields. Also I'm an alien ship fanboi.
Beware, stats of old concept ships like the hull series are just obsolete garbage, absolutely unreliable.
That said I agree with you, this ship has a lot of large componets for its pricetag.
Maybe they forgot to apply the "alien tax" 😁
I can see this being useful as another alternative for cargo runs into high pvp or pirate areas. You'd have the M2 or this ship as options depending on the circumstances.
It's heavily armed and has very strong Shields. It should be a decent blockade runner. The Hull series is far weaker and as you say, can't land on a planet with cargo attached. It's a The Railen is a great deal in my opinion.
yeah and the hull B and C will be torn apart by pirates since they will be slow and unmaneuverable, while xian ships are support to be the most maneuverable ships so in dangerous space I think this ship could even beat out a cat in hauling through dangerous space. As it would trade some guns and cargo for better armor and maneuverability
Great breakdown. I think this is a highly 'liveable' ship, which will hold a lot of appeal for space truckers with those defences. If I was a dedicated space trucker I'd be hard pressed not to think this was the ship I was waiting for.
The looks and 2xS3 Shields are the reason to buy this thing. Its gonna be real hard to take down this ship with just fighters. On the other hand, you actually need multiple people just to be able to fire guns.
Please just ..... release the single player before die ! Soooooo many things have tried to kill me these last 8 years .
Ok it is more expensive than the hull B for less cargo but the hull be will free pickings in more dangerous space same with the hull c both will be really easy targets. The hull c has very similar components and weapon power to the railen but way less maneuverability. Like the railen will be the most maneuverable ship for its size because that's how xian is. But for dangerous space this will be an amazing ship. Same for cat which has more turrets but will be less maneuverable and will probably have similar health and tankyness. This ship is going to be one of the top dangerous space haulers imo. Its smaller then things like an M2 or more protected hauler and its cheaper then those ships. So its a more maneuverable cat which trades scu and 3 size 3 turrets for more speed and manerverablility.
Awesome concept, but personally I feel the Hull B offers more for much less, especially for a solo player such as myself.
Same here, but there's to say that this ship seems able to land while the external cargo grid is loaded, unlike the hull series.
@@qdaniele97 a and b can both land with cargo
@@Jangmo_SC Only the Hull A can land fully laden the Hull B can not.
As of right now I would lean towards the Railen over the Hull B comes more protection with 2 large shield generators and the Hull B only comes with 1 medium shield generator. The Railen also comes with 2 manned turrets and a 20 missile loadout. The Hull B has 2 Remote turrets and no missiles as of yet but this could change at release. And my guess is the Railen might even be faster TBD though. And not to mention in the Railen you can land on planet surface fully laden where as in Hull B it's not possible
@@stannistargaryen Depending if the top spar of the Hull B can be used when landing planetside, the Hull B is reduced to either 288 with the top or 192 SCU with only the side spars in use. EITHER way, the Railen has the advantage, more if the latter. The Hull B still comes out on top with its price, and crew requirement, and will carry more when landing is not necessary.
I was interested in the Taurus until they remove the large bathroom from it and I realized that in order for it to be competitive with the hull series it needed to be increased in size. I romanticized thew Taurus as a throw back, the oldest among the constellation line, figuring that would explain why it had some creature comforts that even the phoenix didn't have. And it was rumored that hygiene would play a role with getting to know the higher end traders and I liked that, seemed like a perfect match. Then CIG said none of that was going to happen and now I don't have a hauler but I like this one, seems more realistic to have a hauler that has floors so as someone with only a MSR for potential hauling(but it's more of a smuggler) I want it but I don't want to give CIG any more money.
another thing to also consider is the fun factor. I could buy a Hull-E to get the absolute maximum of maximum cargo capacity, but I hate the look of it and I wouldn't enjoy flying it. With that in mind, I gladly take a hit in capacity for a more fun and unique flying experience in my eyes
I have big doubts on the Hull Series True SCU values, I think we're going to see some big changes...
I love how you detailed all the information about this new ship. I wish I had seen this video beforehand, since I did an impulse buy when I saw it, and then learned later that there really are no pilot controlled weapons aside from the missiles, which is a major downside for me...so, now I'm wondering if I should do a melt request or keep the dang thing...
It will be fast..so till they bring down our shields,we will be already far away .
I'm hoping that it's a great fit for salvage operations
Enough firepower, shields (and hopefully maneuverability) to sort of help with the initial fight
Tractor beams to help the eva crew and vultures with moving stuff around
Easy access external cargo for the eva crews to place components/loot. Also to transfer inventory from vultures
What I think you didn't quite take into account was that this ship is truly a hybrid.
The value of accommodating Xian crew may help you in a lot of situations. The added heavy defense for a smaller cargo ship adds a lot of value too. I feel like this can stand up to pirates in comparison to the hull series.
A good video, but in my opinion being able to have Xian crew to help you navigate to places better, or to help you find traditionally kept Xian secrets really adds to the value of the ship.
The Hull series hasn’t had their numbers updated to the new SCU system, more realistic estimates from the Hull C community have it at between 768 and like 1024 SCU.
False, the Hull series were actually the first ships to release with the (then new) SCU system. robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14661-A-Hull-For-Every-Job-The-MISC-Hull-Series
@@T51B1 Weird. The in game preview models (which are just the exterior but blue) don’t have nearly the advertised cargo,
Seems like a neat ship and it's great for those people who are sick of their Xi‘an friends rubbing themselves all over everything on your other ships.
They say they are ailen TMNT that clen themes like cats lol.
Solid investment i think, i've got so many ships but i melted the C2 for this and bought a prospector with the left over change.
The loss in cargo is fine when you can add mining profits to the table. Plus this is sexier than Miranda Kerr.
I had a bunch of little ships, amongst them a Nomad which i just really like the design of. But that's a bunch of ingame-earnable things for the rest of my fleet. The Railen is functional enough, but also cool enough, that i finally melted all that little stuff and upgraded my LTI Hawk.
That said, i am less of a min maxer, but more of an opportunist with medium RP interest.
Sooo, Just to add about that hull b comparison. As you mentioned, like this ship, it can land planetside fully loaded. But one big difference is that the hull b is a 1 man crew. This thing is doing a similar cargo count needing closer to a 4 man crew. That said, the railen should have a better range (I think?) over the hull b. I feel like when looking at firepower and crew complement, it seems to be a more closer match up between the railen and the cat. Cat carries more, but is also longer. Both are similarly equipped on the turrets, but the cat gets guns for the pilot while the railen gives 20 missiles to the pilots. Both are 4 man vessels. The cat also costs $100 more for something like half again the capacity of the railen.
One thing not being looked at here and one I'm curious about but won't know the details of until it is actually in the game is the maneuverability. It is still a cargo ship, but how bad are those blind spots in reality? Is this thing going to be able to spin around pretty damn fast (for a freighter) similar to the crazy stunts you can do with the khartu'al? Unlike the cat where getting the pilot's guns on target is unlikely to happen, can this agility allow it to better bring to bear and use those missile racks.
Well I guess it's pretty cool and yeah it's 200 but the Hull B probably won't be able to land on planets with all that cargo and its the same with Hull C so you're really looking at the lancer Max, the Taurus or the Cat as similar comparisons all in all its not that bad
Hull B can land fully loaded, C and above can't except maybe in water.
Xian ASMR...
Finally a ship that looks like it is from the future
I think this ship is by far of a great design in the era it is built in I think it will do great in a Xian semi system of humans and Xian. It might have some lesser cargo capacity, but might have speed agility and shielding for those just in case encounters you run into and all cargo has a size limit - making it unique to that niche of cargo hauling giving more appeal to a system vs a long hauler, inner planetary to a system distributor type affair. It is a newer ship, so less to go wrong, it's is not a another ship and had a conversion to make it fit another purpose. therefore it has streamline for that purpose, and showing up to be evaluated, and your going to get the contract, very competitive looking.
Might have a smaller capacity than hull b but better shields, turrets, missiles and more maneouverable.
I like the looks of the ship, but I can't really see why I would pay 200$ (warbond) for a cargoship with 320 SCU and not splash the extra bucks (95$) for the caterpillar that comes with 574 SCU and has a detachable command module allowing for more types of gameplay..
I mean $95 is not cheap. You're tacking on another 50% and calling it a "splash" of extra bucks.
You will miss the exfoliation experience...
@@felixxu432 True, but it's a better ship imo.. Personally if I had 200$ I'd prob go for a mercury or corsair instead. I don't really see the value in this hauler.. Other than the exfoliation experience :)
@@felixxu432 And just to bring another example.. for 250$ u can get a Hull C - 4608 SCU.. I don't really see the allure of the Xian ship..
Hull B more compact and more SCU and only $90. Railen is ridiculously sized and holds less SCU and is $200.... That is one of the most expensive alien taxes so far. And triangles are about the worst possible container configuration.
Shield emitters have been on the roadmap for weeks now.
True but the Railen is the first ship that has its shield emitter as a named component
It looks cool as always :) Also 2 large Shield generators could really help to run from Pirates.
With the Hull B price increase this looks now like a good pick
For its price it’s loaner ships are good you get a Connie Taurus a Talon and a khartu al
Add some more curvature in spots and I would have though the artist was inspired by ships from Invader Zim!
Railen; seems to be a quality ship to carry quality cargo - pragmatic for everyday use with some upscale amenities... i.e. something to sell high value cargo like the current audio-visual equipment commodity
Always here for more STLYoungblood Star Citizen videos. ❤️
I upgraded my terrapin to it ($5) and I really think it is super worth it.
in what way
I think this ship will go up in price...
@@UnleashedEsX don't they all, none of my ships are the original price. Maybe your into selling ships ..hmm
@@screamingiraffe when on the star citizen pledge page, you can upgrade a ship into another ship.
@@CmdrGamagosk still haven't answered the question but as an original backer, I know about upgrading ships. I still don't see your point or why you think this ship is worth anything other than the 'it's alien and different', maybe that's it.. /shrug. if that's it, cool, I was just curious
Not to mention the other alien cargo ship has not been seen in damn near a decade since concept.
Don't forget that this is a Xi'an ship with different design language from the Aopoa fighter line, which means it's going to have to pay the *other* alien tax *in full*: it won't even be put on the roadmap for another two years at least, in all likelihood.
Been considering investing in an Alien ship again, Had the Talon but melted it down because it just felt weak and had that now fixed issue with canopy shutting off and opening randomly, only 2 guns... but I digress...
Have an MSR and a Freelancer MIS already so have cargo and information transport viability, a Prospector and a ROC for mining.
Though this ship would hold more, it requires to many crew to defend itself... meaning basically useless without other players against an attack.
I also have "trust issues" with players on my ship(s), piracy, mutiny and murder, anyone else? Or is that just me?
I have looked over the specs for the current batch of Alien vessels, such as the defender and such, but thanks to this video have decided to wait for a smaller salvage vessel such as the "Vulture" to help fill out my single player resource mining line-up.
One note I also own a 315p and a Buccaneer, for fast travel and light fighting/bounty, and possibly use them to upgrade to a future ship, but would rather wait till a flyable version of said ship exists, this "in Concept" stuff leaves to many possibilities for eventual specs... I need to know the + and - of a ship before I buy... not "might change or current specs only."
As for the M2, C2 and eventual A2, or the "Hull" series, unless you are part of an Org, larger ships mean more expensive losses and upkeep.
See you in the verse...
Something else to consider in Railen vs. Hull B is 2 large vs. 2 medium shields, if the notoriously out of date website is to be trusted about both ships.
we all need a scratch wall especially for that one spot on your back you cant reach
Haven't seen you in a while, hope all is well. So close to 50k subs too. Journey well bud
The Hull-B will not cost $90. The Hull-A is the $90 Hull variant and it only holds 64 SCU. I realize this video was made a few years ago, but that is how it stands now.
Hulls cannot land - so not really comparable. If Lorville needs supplies that’s a much harder proposition with a hull. Railen fits in a spot between freelancer max and caterpillar.
In addition to the alien tax, I think you are paying for the xian speed, so you can do more in less time while the hull series are more slow and steady. Also the big shield and 2x s4 turrets make people think twice about attacking unless the xian engine problems persist in game.
Great video, I think the ship looks amazing, but definitely need some answers from the Q+A.
Great analysis of the ship!
As someone who wants to upgrade from the Freelancer Max to the Connie Taurus, I don't mind the price difference to the Railen to get a Taurus as a loaner in the meantime.
Tbh I think it's too cheap. The "alien tax" serves a valuable purpose imo, in that it makes ships that are rare in lore rare in game. It's like in the Combat Mission games, where you have a pool of "rarity points" that you use up when buying units that were uncommon in the setting (like a King Tiger in December 1944). If alien ships weren't more expensive than equivalent human ships, then we would see too many of them, making them no more Exotic than Toyota, just a foreign manufacturer.
Gatac is the rule of cool!
I can't wait
Love the design, but forced myself to wait for your analysis before actually buying. Especially with its size and alienness the price seemed a little too low, there had to be a catch. Your video did not disappoint.
The possibility of the unique cargo pods having gameplay differences aside from just visual differences seems very likely to be a catch. And comparing the price with the competitors below its price point and above it really puts things in good perspective.
It's a very pretty ship, and a good first Xian interior for the PU. But as a cargo hauler, the alternatives are plenty and just much safer choices (with all kinds of design choices...I still love you, Hercules). So I'll instead look forward to Xian ships with interiors with different and maybe also more unique roles, like, a multicrew racer.
Thanks again for the really helpful video!
With the large size of the ship it needs to have more cargo space
Shield emitters are on the roadmap for 3.16 :
"Converting ship shield-emitters into physical objects that can be targeted and destroyed, giving players the ability to permanently disable enemy shields."
pretty sure that main feature will be shields that blocks ballistics
Good thing shields are strong because that target profile is going to make evasion difficult.
Seeing the Railen makes me even more jelous to the see the BMM!
I'ts a cool looking ship. Should be fairly cheap to buy in-game. A great little medium between Max and Cat.
i'm just wondering if it'd be a worthwhile upgrade to my RAFT
CaptHank-I see it as an ingame buy. I want it but won't really need it. Not going to put real world money to it. Until we know more about container compatibility, the Catapillar and C2 can still get more planetside.
thx for the video, nice points making i also really like the ship.
I actually love this. It's so unique and tbh it seems to be greatly priced...it's gonna be hard to safe my wallet from this haha :D
Old Man looks at his Fleet sees 6 BMM's ($250 each) and thinks inflation...
I'm pretty sure the BMM will reach 600$ or more before release.
Good investment...
The what??
Edit: nevermind it looks sick. I hope they add more xian ships if the all look this cool.
Excellent review
Much Appreciated!
Thanks for sharing.
It seems that the only weapons the pilot can control are missiles?
I wonder how tractor beam gameplay works with this kind of external container.
This is the first ship I see that has its scanner (medium) listed.
What happens to the cargo when you get hit by an EMP?
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One of the points you missed is that I think the Railen will be really difficult to land if some of the arms get shot off...I do agree that this ship probably isn't worth it given the more effective options that the Railen competes with for its price.
I like the design and can’t wait to see it in game. In certain configurations and views it looks like a plucked chicken.
I think you went over the fact that it can protect itself better than those other 2 options. Id bet its also faster, with Xi'an thruster tech.
When will this ship be flight ready though?
Based on fleshed out the WIP animations and renders are, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a Q4 release just like the Talon was last year after its initial summer concept sale. The cargo refactor is also slated to be done by year’s end so the timing would make sense.
I would love to see this ship in-game. I'd probably get it on game instead of real monees.
Just a heads up, when referring to larger Hull vessels, most have not had their data updated with the "new" SCU measurements. CIG have been dragging their feet on updating all their information. So don't take the Hulls current stats to heart.
Wow! I admit I haven't followed your channel closely for awhile, but you actually gave a definitive No in a Should You Buy? video. You used to always say, "Well, if you're the kind of person who likes X,Y,Z then yes, you will find value in this ship."
I just want my squadron 42 out now
you can't compare it that much with the Hull Series, the Hull Series can not land on a planet. It is build to transport massive of cargo in the verse imo.
The small scu hold kind of kills the excitement
I ain't small and there's no hold.
Agreed, would probably buy it in game because I love the design and find aliens very interesting, but I would love for the capacity to be increased before it goes on sale
love the design and the facilities ... just cant find a spot for it in my fleet
I like the design, don't know if it will find it self in my fleet, but 5 dollars more than the Scorpios kinda makes it a steal compared.
you pay more because of the design and unique pieces on this one... just like the Khartu-al.... :)
Too late...already bought...
Still not here lmao
It's a pretty ship, but I'd rather have the M2 in every possible situation.
The only problem with the Herc is that it's freaking ugly no matter from what angle you look at it, inside and outside.
@@MonteKristof To each their own. Personally I love the look of all of the CI ships.
The scratch wall is a novel joke, but there should really be a modular option for human buyers of the ship. It's wasted space for the sake of a gag.