Submissions for Self Defense? Chokes are Better than Locks | I Threw Myself Out of a Club Once
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Steven Crowder put one of his friends to sleep with a rear naked choke on Livestream to demonstrate that chokes are safer than tasers/strikes.
Stupid people were talking about banning law enforcement from using chokes, so one of his friends volunteered to be choked out to demonstrate how gentle a properly applied rear naked choke can be.
Jay better be splitting that Fireball money with you. They're sponsoring him. I know it!
Props to Maddox for being a better camera operator than a lot of adults.
*most
Yeah he's freaking awesome at his role there. Without good camera work these vids would lose that polish that makes them look so slick. Great job bud 👍
Talented like his dad.
*"Chokes are better than locks"*
*LockPickingLawyer:* Interesting...
Lol
Gimme that crossover video
*i agree with you😀*
bruh i did not expect that
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Another great technique video. Wont be long till i can become the next batman...
All you need now is a good *SIDE KICK*
The bro who doesn't lift side kicks don’t work
@@ko4gpa so he will never become Batman? Damn... realty sucks.
The bro who doesn't lift 🤣
You guys are ROBIN me of my sidekick? Feels bad man...
I broke someone’s arm in an MMA fight once with a arm bar and they didn’t even know it was broke until the fight was over because of the adrenaline so yeah at least with chokes you have no choice but to go to sleep As always great video
I believe it. Adrenaline is a powerful drug. I just checked out your channel. I love how you look like a nerd with your glasses on, but turn badass once the shirt is off. Nice Clark Kent transformation.
Nepthu 🤣 I love that I do transform when the glasses come off I mean business lol i’m going to start using that angle in my videos thanks for the inspiration. Did you subscribe
Fight Training Thanks for the perspective, i never really realized this
Lil Seizure 👍
i dont see the average person on the street being able to fight for long after an arm break though, they usually have shit cardio and cant fight at all. plus on top of that if the situation is right you can hold on to the arm after its broken and control their posture and let them wear themselves out. all that said, i love the choke instead. its harder for an unknown friend of the asshole to hit me in the head when my head is right next to the guy im choking lol
In Farmer Burns' book, 1914, he shows a photo of how to execute the choke, with the captions "the choke, though banned in wrestling, important for self defense."
Mike, I'm also a short guy and I have never ONCE been able to do a rear-naked from a standing position. Everyone is always too tall for me. I've had better success with guillotine but mainly when I use my legs. 99% of the time my chokes only work on the ground. Also, as for your story, I've had worthless friends like that who stare blankly when you need backup which is why I started boxing in the first place.
I swing myself around the person and put my legs around their legs and spin them round while they are falling because i jumped on them
You’ve never been in a street fight. This is all in your imagination.
@@JK-vc7ie I'm talking about sparring at the gym, not Streetfights. I'm not sure what Lil Seizure means
If you got their back but not the standing choke break his stance by digging your knees into the back of his, as you pull down on him. Then try the choke.
There's a great standing RNC set up I saw from the Gracie Brothers once - It's not really applicable in a competition setting, but in defence-of-another-person it seems viable.
The scenario is someone bad is harassing your friend/family and are not paying attention to you. From behind, you use your hands to clamp/hook their shoulders and kick out the back of one of their knees whilst pulling down and towards yourself with your arms. From there, you keep moving backwards and apply the short choke shown in the video above, or alternatively upgrade to the full RNC if you want to.
I'm short too and I've found (from trial and error) that if I just slap an RNC on someone whilst standing, they can normally lean forward and pick me clean up off the floor. With this method though, because they're essentially being dragged down and backwards whilst one of their legs is kicked out, their ability to regain posture to the point where they can do anything meaningful is minimal. I wish I could link a video to it but sadly it's part of one of their instructionals. It's hopefully simple enough that this written explanation is useful to you in some way though - and if I do find a video of it I'll try make sure I update and post a link here :)
The ultimate denfence to a choke is saying ' harder daddy" 😂
I cant argue with that... u.u
Its a variation on the get-naked defence
*The real "Rear Naked"*
I was friends with two brothers. One of them at Mc Dojo and he put his younger brother in the sloppiest choke ever and his brother just moaned "Harder daddy" It was funny as shit
i was rolling with a buddy of mine and each time i went for a choke he’d moan and i would hesitate just long enough that he could get out
I agree. If you're going to do a joint lock to submit someone in a street fight, there's no "look i'm in a superior position, and I can break your arm, just stop resisting." You have to treat a joint lock as if you were attacking your oponent with a weapon. If you're not willing to go all the way with it, then there's no point in even trying. This is one of the reasons why I think wrestling is completely overlooked in a streetfight.
Sure, there aren't many "finishing moves" in contemporary wrestling styles, but its by far the best framework of how to control an opponent and not allow them to control you.
Either way, submissions are dangerous, no matter if they're chokes or if they're joint locks. Its great that we can consider this stuff a game as far as training goes, but when you're in a fight you necessarily have to be a killer.
Yeah, if I'm fighting you because it's self defense, I'm just breaking that shit. That person has already decided they want some heat.
Having done a 5-point throw in a parking lot, I can tell you that wrestling has some dandy finishing moves. :)
@@Jamoni1 I mean, of course double legging someone onto their head is going to end a fight, but I think you know what I was getting at in my original comment.
@@insidetrip101 For sure. Wrestling by itself has limitations, and a lot of it doesn't transfer well to the street, but for body and hand control, for takedown defense, and for rag-dolling some jerk around until he's too tired to stand, it's the bomb.
@@Jamoni1 Yeah, that was my original point. Wrestling is undervalued because it doesn't have "submissions" (at least if its not catch wrestling we're talking about). I really think wrestling is pretty good on the ground, exactly for the points made in this video. Wrestling is all about control, and truthfully it really emphasizes the "position before submission" aspect of bjj.
Like I said before, a submission (especially a joint lock) is kinda like a weapon, and if you're not willing to pull the trigger, then its kinda useless because for a great majority of the submissions people who don't train don't understand how much trouble their in until its too late. However, everyone understands a pin, especially when they're unable to get off their back, and wrestling teaches this better than bjj does.
Choke is the king, armbar the queen, and a leg lock- a dirty jocker, they say.
Why's the Carl's Jr. Star got the fist in it
@@demz6365 lmao
Talking about us average guys not knowing when we're actually in trouble is so true. Screwing around with a friend of mine and he had cut off my airway, and for a moment I had absolutely no idea I wasn't breathing any more. I was so focused on trying to get out of how had me and gain some sort of upper hand I was oblivious to my own predicament for way longer than I should have been or would have even thought possible. Massive eye opener for me.
As a couple very good teachers I know (martial artists and cops) have said the same thing in slightly different ways. "Pain compliance depends on him being reasonable. If he was reasonable he wouldn't have attacked you. Make it so he can't hurt you." They also mostly said about locks that "A lock is a break. Don't look for it, but if you get it break the limb and move on."
Yeah pain compliance is not all it's cracked up to be.
Cliff is a very welcome addition to the channel. You can tell he can fight but is always humble and ready to show and learn as well. Big ups👍 Jay is the man and the OG and is skilled and knowledgeable as well. Fun team all around!!
I like the "realness" and "modesty" of that guy. Down to earth tips, this is rear nowdays.
This is why I think the judo approach to ground-fighting is underestimated. Getting _really_ good at pinning someone is very useful.
I love the thought of a choke just turning someone off lmao. It just sounds really funny
One of the first things my Ju Jutsu instructor taught me was how to get out of a standing rear naked choke. His reasoning was that, at least in his own experience, most street hooligans who know how to grapple will try that technique first. That was difficult training.
Best way to get out of those is not getting into one
@@driver3899 Very true. I can't say that I've ever had to defend from one, either.
Rnc defense is one of the first things your instructor shows to a beginner? No disrespect but idk if that's the optimal use of a beginner's time, even if you put a lot of time in, it's hard defend a choke that's synched in even for the most advanced grapplers.
@@pranayfrancis8563 No offense taken. My Sensei's school was small and his methods varied depending on the student. I'm certified as a Judo instructor, but he wasn't the one who granted it to me. Before I moved we sometimes taught joint classes.
@@driver3899 There was a video of an attempted kidnapping in Australia recently. A bloke was holding his kid and had to put himself between his child and the kidnapper. First thing the attacker did was try a rear strangle, but he couldn't reach.
I agree with you. Many submission holds, while effective in competition or training, carry too much risk for self-defense situations. They may require too much time, space, or strength, or leave you vulnerable to counterattacks. In self-defense, the goal is to quickly neutralize the threat and escape safely, rather than trying to submit or control the attacker. Simple strikes, escapes, and positional control are often more practical and effective in real-world self-defense scenarios. 💪
Man I did mma for a bit and chokes were definitely superior to submissions I feel like it’s just easier to get because you don’t need to be as Precise
How appropriately timely. I actually talked about my preference for chokes over locks in self defense in my latest video. We have an expression in my training, “if you destroy the function, it ceases to function,” which we usually use to refer to leg kicks (kicking someone in the leg so they can’t stand/run after/post on it is probably better than kicking them in the groin) but definitely applies to putting somebody out/controlling them with a choke. EVERYBODY knows the danger they’re in when their neck gets grabbed (and if they don’t, irrelevant, since they’re going to sleep anyway) but not everybody knows how dangerous an ankle lock is.
I would rather break the arm, they cant grapple, block or strike worth a damn once thats broke
Dirt Diver they can still slap the shit out of you with it if they’ve got enough adrenaline running through their body.
@@CombatSelfDefense Haha true, and thats not an easy thing to live down
I think it's important to consider the legal implications of choking someone. It many states choking someone is a felony and you can go to prison. Though, I agree chokes/submissions are more effective than locks. Martial arts is very contextual and the legal system is an important consideration in what techniques are effective, just like the present situation and the person's clothing, etc.
"When it comes to chokes, there are no tough guys. Everyone goes to sleep." - Helio Gracie.
Except Sakuraba of course who kicked the shit out of all the gracies who were stupid enough to challenge him.
@@selfdefensept Sakuraba never got choked because he wasn't stupid enough to go to the ground for too long with any of the gracies
@@natekelly770 I’m afraid you have it backwards as Gracie sycophants usually do. The truth is the grace is simply weren’t able to keep him on the ground to choke him out. He was superior to them in every way which is why he is called the Gracie killer
@@selfdefensept Well obviously he was a wrestler. If wrestlers don't want to be taken down, you aren't taking them down
@@natekelly770 unless you're a better wrestler
Cliff is like a sleeping giant...he looks hella strong, that's why you want him as a friend xD....nice techniques Mike.
He is a very dangerous person.
This is great, pretty much agree 100% that chokes should be preferred to locks, though I emphasise everything from standing position, which further makes chokes all the better. You said it right there that you split your head open while getting the guy into the armbar, which further shows all them submission locks just take **WAAAY** too long and needlessly endangers you...
I agree, because if someone is on drugs or alcohol it can happen that he still is going to attack you after you broke his arm with an armbar. A choke will always put him out so you can get away. With multiple attackers it's another story of course.
Very good point
If the dude is on drugs or really drunk, if you choke them to sleep there is a high possibility that you may kill that person
@@empolemos Well the chance to kill someone is always there if you choke them out. But if someone attacks me and I feel like I'm in big danger I don't care about that anymore at that point. Of course it's a last resort. If he just messes around I won't choke him out, but if he is really trying to hurt me or a loved one of mine, whatever happens to him is on him.
@@empolemos then they shouldn't do drugs and drink, and they shouldn't attack people. Their fault. If you don't want to die, don't be dumb and attack people who are lethal with their bodies
@@empolemos if somebody attacks me with intent to harm I'm 100% okay with killing that person if they don't subdue to a lock
Been a while since I've tuned in, but glad to see they finally got a guy big enough to fight Jay 😂
I always more or less had this same opinion regarding chokes vs locks in a situation.
With a good choke it's just too unmistakable what's going on.
Your head feels like it's gonna pop like a grape and your consciousness begins to fade very fast.
A lock just doesn't have that instant obvious feedback.
Submission in the streets , tap out in the sheets !
Dude, first off I love your content Mike. I like when you include Cliff in the videos too.
In combative situations where it’s life and death, or at least if you find yourself in fear of egregious bodily harm, you need to apply these techniques to completion. There are no taps “in da streetz”, but seriously, like you said some people don’t know they lost until they hear/feel their arm breaking. They might even be pulling a knive out with the other hand as you wait for the tap.
I also think you guys make a really good point, the PCP/coked out participants aren’t going to feel that arm break, and unless it’s a really nasty break they will probably still be able to use the arm to a certain extent especially if they don’t feel anything. So in those situations the choke out is far superior, next to just Jean-Claude Van Damme snapping their neck I suppose.
I've been in a good bit of scraps, and the only submissions that I've found that work out in the world are strangles done with the arms.
Using your legs can get them moved around, but they put you at a major disadvantage(especially if they have a friend you didn't see). And using your legs for a submission, you may actually have to break them, because you can't guarantee they will submit due to pain.
Strangles are better than chokes, because they are faster and do less damage.
RNC and arm triangle grow strangles are they safest for you and them, in general.
I been saying that for months. I also been saying would you rather someone lose consciousness for a few seconds, or they can go to the er with broken bones and torn ligaments
It's really better for everyone.
Not to mention the civil lawsuit you could face for breaking someone's limb i;e having to pay their hospital bills; paying for their "pain and suffering," etc, etc. And that's even if you are found not guilty in a criminal trial and it was proven you acted in self defense; you could still be sued civilly and lose that trial, in addition to court and attorney fees.
I've got a great "MaRtIaL aRt" for you to look up and maybe do a video about, it's called Dim Mak (also known as the death touch). I used to watch videos of this martial art as a kid and be completely amazed🤣
It's the application of taiji (tai chi) . But most people who do taiji don't do it right and have no idea of any application, therefore there movements are often inaccurate and there taiji is totally watered down (health benefits including). Also most tai chi people have never been hit for real. And there is real contact in proper application of taiji not some no touch rubbish.
Choke is higher percentage move for sure,I prefer armbar though
People dont die from broken arms but they can die from being choked out (you don't know their medical history ect) so for me thats a last resort
One of the first drills I learned for bjj was armbar from mount, roll out of the arm break back up to feet again
If you are doing it against someone with low enough grappling skill you can take down, break arm and get up in a pretty frighteningly quick amount of time
if someone is trying to beat my ass and a choke presents itself, its getting done hahahaha.
any videos of this drill online? and what's best takedown to set this up?
@@lowlowseesee haha thats fair
@@oiseo4498 I had a quick look but cant seem to find it. It's just like normal armbar from mount but you really lean back as fast as you can past the break point.
Then let go and straight away roll backwards over your shoulder to get up like a normal backward shoulder roll like you do in warm ups
If you practice it enough the whole thing is pretty slick/only takes a few seconds because you aren't slowing down as you get to the lock out point, your trying to accelerate past it
Be careful when drilling with partner of course, let go of arm as soon as you start going backwards
I don't train there anymore but we had this foam barrel thing to practice it on too
@@driver3899 thank you so much for such a thorough reply. Ill be tryign to learn it eventually!
what about neck cranks, paralyze him leave him on the ground, seems reasonable?
Neckcranks are great, because if you do them well then they turn into a choke. You can ask Erik Paulson all about this. Plus because a neckcrank hurts right away you make them scream.
@@VincentMMALife very true, and unlike most other "locks" the neck crank will make them realize they're in danger right away. If it doesn't work, slide through to the strangle
@@VincentMMALife itsn't it the complete opposite? chokes can be turned into neck cranks, and there are neck cranks where it is cranking and not choking
@@lanemir_sindjelic Chokes can indeed be turned into neckcranks, but if you do neckcranks right you can easily turn them in a neckcranking choke. Most bjj people nowadays don't know this because neckcranks are looked down upon, but if you go to any decent catch wrestling gym they can show you how to do neckcranks properly and how they turn into neckcranking chokes. Erik Paulson has a whole video collection explaining neckcranks and how they work.
@@VincentMMALife cool, i'll keep this in mind in my next roll
Why doesn't this channel have a million subs? This videos are well organized and well put together
i agree 100% with you about chokes> locks, but where i am bouncers/security/police are not allowed to use them ever
Love your logic on chokes are better than locks. This is my go to strategy that I train/visualize and it is what I used effectively in the only serious self defense situation I’ve been in. Great video.
UA-cam just recommended this to me. After some current high profile cases I feel like now a days the better option, especially if the guy is on something, is to just grab a limb and break it. Safer than the guy ODing while your arms around his neck.
I agree that in self defense chokes are better than submissions most of the time.
The "short" respiratory choke is faster, inflicts more discomfort on the uke than the RNC and can more easily do serious injury to the trachea than the sanguineous RNC. RNC is sneakier in that the untrained will not know they are about to lose consciousness until just before the walls close in on them.
I used to teach both with the caveats above. Sometimes the "short" choke can be a good choice when there is more than one attacker in that if they are not serious fighters, the sight of their friend thrashing around in pain may get them to back off.
You make perfect sense.
I know of standing arm bars/breaks in judo, but there is virtually no time for "submission", you either break the limb right there or the other guy gets out and you lose position.
That said, people should learn both. Chokes and locks. Id argue, they are more important than the "art of fisting".
Standing its really hard to get the force needed to break the joint properly, You might hurt them a bit but after that then what
Jay always looks like he's just dying to Hulk Smash XD
My teacher bounced before and he's said pretty much this exact thing. But in different words.
Training mode when you get hit on the head is a helluva thing. I was about 17 and wrestling freestyle at this club that was hosted in the basement of the local Catholic high school when this dude yeeted me into the rafters. It was a beautiful 5 point throw (apparently), but my noggin bounced off of the steel rafters and gave me a beauty of a concussion. I came down to the mat, covered the sides of my head and defended against cross-face until my mentor noticed that I was clearly not fighting back, just defending and pulled the guy off of me.
Masahiko Kimura famously broke Helio Gracie's arm twice in a match and Gracie kept fighting him lol. Totally agree chokes are the way to go.
I agree 100% from a practical perspective, having seen videos of a BJJ-trained cop popping a guy's shoulder with an armlock (don't remember what kind off the top of my head) multiple times outside a club and him continuing to fight. Great content as always. Not something that gets brought up often enough. People often treat joint locks as fight-enders because they're used to seeing them be such in the cage or rolling. This is one of the very few cases where the *"But on da streetz!"* argument holds water. Which isn't to say joint locks are useless in a street fight, of course. They still hurt and deter and control, especially if you're fighting someone who isn't drugged the fuck out. And even if they are, popping a limb will make them less of a threat. But I digress...
That said, it's also worth considering the legal/policy aspect and ramifications first. Many police departments don't allow chokeholds (or "sleeper holds" as some still call them) of any kind and haven't for many years. And with good reason, considering the deaths that have resulted from their misapplication by officers that abused them without being properly trained in their usage.
Leaving the law enforcement part of it aside; I was part of another discussion about the use of blood/air chokes for self-defense by private citizens and someone brought up an interesting point I'd like your opinion on. Some jurisdictions actually have enacted specific statutes about strangulation, typically used as "enhancement charges" for domestic violence cases though they can be applied to any case of assault or battery in theory. So if you end up in a scuffle and your self-defense claim doesn't pass muster, you could potentially end up with a major felony case because you "strangled" someone in what would have otherwise been seen as a misdemeanor case of assault/battery or even been dismissed as an instance of mutual combat in states that have that.
Again, this is probably putting the cart before the horse and if you're legitimately defending life and limb, then do what you must in order to keep yourself and others safe. But just something to keep in mind!
I completely agree. Marcelo Garcia basically only does chokes because in self defense there's no arguing with the choke.
"No arguing" lol i like the way that is put
Good video! Another one that I agree completely with! I have finished several street situations with chokes and seen plenty of drunks fight through broken bones. I have had pretty good results from a hip throw or shoulder throw-if they set themselves up for it. I have used pins on people before (scarf hold, belly down figure 4 leg hold and such) when I had the luxury of time and help.
Loving your channel.
I’ve been binge watching this entire channel hardcore. I think it’s my new favorite
This is absolutely correct. A lock was never supposed to control somebody. It was designed to break a opponents bones or joints in war. The possibility of controling someone with a lock works only if he feels the pain AND you command exactly what you expect him to do! As a bouncer I've broken two opponents wrists, two opponents jaws, one guys nose, one thumb and I've thrown a couple of attackers and many of them continued resistance because they didn't feel pain because of intoxication or sheer agression. On the other hand I have choked out 40+ opponents and handcuffed without problems. It is crucial to understand that if you choke out sombody, his life is in your hands and you are responsible for his safety now! Another thing:
DON'T COMPLETE CHOKES IN TRAINING LIKE YOU DON'T SHOOT PEOPLE WITH LIVE AMMUNITION IN TRAINING!
Chokes are harmfull if someone has a health condition or the person doing the choke is doing it wrong. You don't want to find out in training.
This emphasizes the problem I have with Aikido as it is practiced today. There are a bunch of locks, and throws, which can or will cause great injury to the opponent. However in true Aikido or Art of Peace one is meant to avoid severely or permanently injuring an opponent.
I've had to use locks on a person that was about to cause harm, and in my mind, pain would be something that would dissuade them from continuing.
I've learned from experience, that pain just makes them struggle more, and fight back more. And would cause more potential harm.
I like knowing more practical ways to stop someone or restrain someone without causing them pain.
Thanks for this video!
I once had to put someone in a shitty shoulder lock and had to let go because he not only didnt listen or calmed down, he was tryin to escape the wrong way.
One little up for the short choke don't interlock your thumbs use the gable grip
Why?
Yes I just learned that in my judo class
I love your videos because you know what is and what isn't practical for the streets because of your background!!!
Thank you so much for videos like this one!!!!
And if you are interested in learning about self defense in countries in Europe!!!
I'm more than happy to explain the laws to you!!! Especially in Greece (because I live in Greece)!!!
One thing about chokes is that they are super illegal in some places. I agree with you that they are way better than locks for self defense, but the law often doesn't agree and you might get sued for attempted murder. Maybe just check about the common policy where you live, just to be sure.
The thing with chokes is that depending on the state you live in you can get into some really deep shit for choking a person in a street fight. As a choke is considered a strangulation move the guy you’re choking may later claim that you were trying to kill him in a court of law. :p even tho it’s actually safer for them & it would be way worse if you’d snap a limb but the way regular people view martial arts is weird.
You should do a review of brass knuckles for self defense. They are legal to carry here in Texas
Working on it.
100% agree that chokes are better than knocking someone out, but in the uk chokes for police and security are illegal because a few morons accidentally killed the person they're arresting/escorting out because they dont know when to let go
Other than the RNC and Guillitine for a relatively non violent conflict resolution, you should 100% be beating them into submission from a dominant position. You drop a couple of elbows onto a man's face and he'll comply much faster from the shock.
A little more advanced, but lapel type chokes with clothing are pretty cool. Especially with hoody season coming up.
Yes thats a fact in a street situation choke-hold are more favorable than joint-locks.
These the kinds of bouncers we need in the UK; the fact you even think about them not knowing they're in trouble. Here they'll gouge your eyes out for looking at em
Shoulder locks are far more likely to have the "please stop because I know you are going to break my arm" aka compliance than armbars and especially legs locks. This is why shoulder locks are more likely to be taught to police, in addition to the advantage of handcuffing them. Chokes of course are still better.
“Friday is my Second Favorite F-Word!”
Good perspective
Every time someone says "da streetz" I think of master wong lol.
I saw a video of a guy that got into a fight at a basketball game and got a leg lock on a guy and the guy didn’t stop so he started yelling “I will break your knee right now you’ll never play basketball again” and push pressure on the knee, the guy stopped. Saying something like this is super smart if you have a submission that someone doesn’t know they are in
Thank You, Excellent talk and great work.
Most people when they wake up from a choke lose heart and don't want to fight no more. A lot of psychos will still fight through a broken arm.
The dream team at it again! It’s like the best hbo combat sports sitcom
The gooseneck lock and the hammer lock are probably the only locks I would do if I needed to escort someone out of somewhere (e.g a club).
Ground submission are...hard in a street fight. When you're on the floor (especially on the bottom) in the street, you're almost always at a disadvantage no matter what degree black belt you have in BJJ. On the mat it's different, the whole game changes when you have hard concrete, or they have buddies that are coming and you're on the ground tangled up, or you broke the dude's arm on the ground and the police showed up and you have to run but you can't get up fast enough because you're tangled up.
Sigh
I like that Thai clinch to guillotine! Never used the Thai clinch outside of Muay Thai, except when messing around with a mate. And it's funny, one of our mates is a big dude. His go-to is to basically bear hug the shit outta of you. Now he's much bigger than me, I'd be slightly taller but he's fucking burly, but I caught him in a Thai clinch one night and he did exactly what was shown here. He ducked his head down to try and lift me up. Now I didn't go for any kind of choke, we were only messing, although it did smart his ego that he couldn't get out of the clinch haha! A nice move was pinning my elbows into the collar bone, which kept him pivoted out slightly, and away from waist, where he could pick me up and slam me; if actually fighting that is. What's funny is you can never mess throwing hands, so he has too much confidence in his size and bulk.
I need to practice my clinch and pummeling more. Both offensively and defensively.
I was sparring with a friend and I went for the clinch, was ok initially, but he had that low stance like jay had and I didn't even consider a guillotine or other grappling options from it.
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Where is this school? I just want to train here because dude sounds hilarious. I get the feeling it’s super easy to get him into telling random awesome stories in the middle of class
I try VERY hard not to do that
I often fail
You can't trust the tap, so you would need to take the hold to its conclusion and snap things. Definitely not good if you are a cop and ripping knees apart.
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You probably should.
Classic
Helio Gracie preferred chokes over joint locks. I do think you have be super careful in security or law enforcement with chokes and need proper training to apply them.
Completely agree
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1:07 Talking about why they put little guys on the front door of a bar or nightclub. I did hear once from a security guard they put the small guy at the front to not intimidate the guests. I have also worked at places where they intentionally put female security at the front. So yes, it can be intentional.
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IMO in a strict one on one encounter with no one else interfering a rear naked choke or guillotine
is too dangerous, you could get bitten or the guy might struggle too much and the choking might kill him accidentally. I think a twisting heal hook is a better choice when down at the foot region the guy won't realise what going on until its clamped on and the ankle or knee is broken
Wait... you think people can bite their way out of a choke? Lol hahaha
@@hard2hurt if i said I think you can bite your way out of a choke I would have stated that champion
A lot of the benefits of grappling for street fights is that the takedowns can instantly knock someone out so you don’t have to always use submisssions
Agree 100%. Lost count of number of chokes I've used to stop aggressive person. What many people don't realise is that you're constantly judging a situation and damaging an innocent or only mildly aggressive person can put you in big trouble. Also, as you say, people don't tap out.. arm bars etc you have to break. Also, we all know going to floor happens but you should not stay there.
Choke don't show any obvious damage, they disable quickly, they don't require much strength.
Which choke. You need rear naked coke, guillotine, front choke (but learn how to do them well!). Triangle choke on floor also good, cos if they are on top of you, you're not gonna stand quickly
Ps I choked someone 3 times once as they just wouldn't stop when they woke up.. only stopped cos friends dragged him away, eh eh. I guess benefit of choke is sometimes also drawback.. you've only temporarily incapacitated them.
Don't know if anyone has said this yet but.... Try to blood STRANGLE ie cardiovascular restriction, NOT CHOKE ie crush the oesophagus. Then the person passes out faster and comes back to later. On a choke that crushes the wind pipe it may collapse and given a length of time the person may have oxygen restrictions for to long leading to Death or brain damage. Kia ora, be well.
100%, a lock means you either have to trust that the other person has given up and won't attack after you let go, or else you will have to choose to break their limb.
A choke, they go out and are not a threat if you let go, and no real harm comes to them.
I wonder if nowadays, with the popularity of BJJ and MMA, if more people would recognize when they are being put in an armbar or other joint submissions and if we've been societally conditioned to tap.
Well, this is a big problem: have submission & the guy on the ground doesn't react to having joints twisted/broken, transition to a choke and it just "happens" that the guys on enough that simple choke puts them out forever... I mean - even just to attend fight classes a person has got to have a doctors opinion, but "streetfighters", junkies etc don't know (and neiter person having to deal with them) what will/would affect them.
8 years in bjj, haven't gone for a full rear naked in ~6 years. Short chokes all day.
Actuatually chokes have problems with legality in some parts.
I get thief in some of my old works, I just use weith for control him, meanwille a coworker use something to control him.
In my country, some security guards in accident kill some one with a choke, so these days their have being very hard on that matter with people and police.
Is preferible to break the arm, to risk killing the dude, that is the thing now.
(At least he don't gonna be able to use it to harm anyone)
Here’s a question. If you’re actually in legit self defense altercation with someone and you’re legally defending yourself, and you get then in a choke/submission and they tap, what do you do?
Yeah, I saw a dude got heel hooked in one of those Street Beefs vids and he wouldn't tap even after the guy snapped his heel. I puckered my asshole at the crack sounds. Ego, confusion, and adrenaline would ensure that locks would not end the fight.
Your videos crack me up man 🙏
That was well done brother
I like locks if I'm alone against a group. Apply a bit of pressure to the guy you've caught and very often they make a noise. Then you just look over at the other dudes and tell them to fuck off or you break it. No one wants to get their friends arm broken
Lol do you live in a 90s movie
@@hard2hurt fear does not exist in my dojo
In my 10 years of training jiu-jitsu, and obviously cross training in boxing and muay thai. Chokes are definitely the best. I've had to choke some drunk and another guy high on something and I had him in a Kimura I know it was tearing but he was going non stop. Luckily someone came over and we were able to hold him down and wait for the authorities
In Royce Gracie's law enforcement course he teaches how to transition from a straight armbar to a cuffing position. Don't get me wrong I agree chokes are generally better just some food for thought.
are you ever gonna post the fighting for a knife in the elite rash guard video?
Lol good call back. Yes. I'll get right on it lol
Which i did already do some followup to that using that same footage