What If You Can't Maintain a Safe Distance? | Bouncer, Security and Law Enforcement Tactics
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This is incredible content and gets at a phase of combat we rarely learn about in martial arts, the time before violence. Thank you!
People dont like talking about it because it's not tough guy shit
As an adult I have thankfully never been in a situation where I had to violently defend myself but I have been in several wierd situations where it got pretty close.... I think these types of videos are invaluable
@@natekelly770 the main one id say yeah
@@hard2hurt I was watching your video and couldn't help but notice you have a pretty sick gym, I wish they had weights where I trained.
@@natekelly770 there is always a big chance that it's not a 1 on 1 in a matter of seconds so not brawling with 2 or more dudes is always the better choice
Bouncer for years. We always taught new guys the interview stance and grooming stance. Super solid info and advice having used both of these in bars.
@PogChamp The most effective of all, they know if they start shit they'll get your boggers all over them.
I was taught to keep my "tucked" hand behind the opposite elbow, rather than tucked in the bend. It let's you drop that lower hand out if needed. It's not too hard for your opponent to press in on your upper hand (or forearm) and actually trap both of your arms otherwise. True?
@@footLogic if he pushes in and tries to wrap me up in a bear hug why would I not just take the free underhook and control position?
Behind or in the crook is going to be the same movement to free your hand, which actually gives a really solid amount of control because you have that hand going under an arm and the "pinned" arm is going to end up in shoulder or bicep control, effectively giving you the T position, where you can push them outside or take them to the ground (whatever is the viable option).
@@seththompson7057 didn't mention any bear hug. Just pressure on that forearm.
@@footLogic so pummel your wrist or forearm? Icy Mike has a couple videos about wrist control situations and why you're more powerful close into your body vs. away.
"I can't let you get close"
WHAA NOW WHAAAA NOWWW
And proceeds to do a beautifully timed takedown in flip flops.
Eclipse I think wanderlai Silva fan is gonna start disliking this comment lol but icy mike fan seem like a kung fu nerd who wouldn’t even know this
Came here just to see if this would be top comment.
Chael sonnen
"Just stomp the groin"
"Then re-stomp the groin"
Master Ken is so awesome!
Kick'em in the nuts
Kick'em in the nuts
Kick'em in the nuts
Always destroy the groin!
Sounds just like kajukenbo
If they get too close you just need to hit them with the "I can't let you get close" and then double leg them
Dammit I forgot about that hahahaha
Uncle Chael really blessed us with that one.
Counter Kidnapping u clearly missed the joke
I was about to comment this but was checking to see if anyone else mentioned it
Only works when you're wearing flipflops though!
"People who actually do violence for a living don't want to get into a knockdown drag out fight every night" "........there's paperwork involved!"
As a former bouncer, military law-enforcement, private security, truer words were never spoken love your vid's!!!
Always with the reports... As a bouncer I learned it was often beneficial if the bouncee came to in the parking lot of the strip club three blocks over.
Detention officer here. When someone being booked is aggressive and probably high/drunk, first thing I think is, "Dammmmmmmmmmmmn I don't feel like writing a report and filling out use of force paperwork."
R cuz !!!!!
not to discredit any of the athletes you mentioned such as kick boxers or MMA fighters but they do not practice violence they practice sportsmanship violence does not involve consent! On some level everyone you mention consented to get into the altercation with their opponent however police military personnel bouncers and security officers are constantly faced with real violence someone who is trying to end their time on this earth or simply do something horrible to someone else and they are willing to Do great harm to you as well in order to do so !!!! this is real violence not getting in a ring in consenting to a set of rules however rough , even if the rule set allows for the possibility of death, there is still a referee !!! That’s three to stop that from happing it exists only as an outside possibility of rare circumstance happening that is unless we are talking about Roman gladiatorial combat !!! So there fore the line between the street and the sport world exists!!! No it is very true that the techniques don’t change , As in what works in the cage will be effective in the street this is a fact however when to use it as THE CONCEPTS DO !!and real violence Always!!! comes with paperwork if you don’t believe me please please try real violence anywhere other than a ring or a gym you’ll be met with some new jewelry by some friends in blue with badges. I hope I have clarified any misunderstanding if not feel free to reply by the way I would like to inquire as to what expertise you have in this field I hope over 15 years experience in the private security executive protection field I spent two years in the Air Force as a security forces officer and I literally train now professionally at a Gracie jujitsu school as I am lucky enough to be financially independent at the moment so if you believe your credentials to be greater than mine or if you believe you have wisdom that I do not have please enlighten me R Cruz
R Cruz I took the time to think for several hours before replying to you and typing out a very detailed reply explaining the difference between violence and fight sports if you’re not even going to read the response which I took the time to edit on my iPhone I don’t believe you’re worth my time
R Cruz However as I do believe in everyone I’ll take one more shot at it violence does not involve consent they do not practice violence they practice sportsmanship see my first response for further explanation
I've always used " THAT'S MY PURSE, I DON'T KNOW YOU" if someone gets too close.
I love that one Bobby Hill
One of my old instructors used to call that second stance "grooming." Unfortunately, I don't have much of a beard so I'll just be scratching my baby face till the day I die.
That's kinda sad
Nah I got a hot wife so I'm good.
Yeah Adam 'cause the beard makes the man right?
Now that thought is really sad.
@@adamzoubi96 heck, take mine, tired of shaving
Scratch your forehead like you're just baffled by the other person.
If I learned anything from King of the Hill, it's that the best self defense is to always keep your pockets filled with sand 😂
Or the "THAT'S MY PURSE" maneuver.
"POCKET SAND!"
Hit em with the Shi Shaw!!!!!
Ashida Kim would be so proud
5:38 "Pride rules Motherfucker!" Hahaha 😂
Haha yea. I don't think he used Mongoloid the way he intended though.
Lmaoooooo that killed me
@@SwordTune "Mongoloid" can be another way of calling someone a retard..
Hahaha! Beat me to it
But honestly love this little detail. Super subtle, super non confrontational 👏 Good stuff
I literally stopped what I was doing, took out my notebook, and started taking notes. Great video. Thank you!
"Keyboard Commandos" 😅😅😅 rock n roll man.
support the troops
There's a British guy named Geoff Thompson. He used the "fence": the interview stance, plus moving your hands while talking.
You ever see Lee Morrison's stuff? Scary man! 😂
Geoff Thompson the fence which he learned from Jon awesome Anderson. He really calls it talking hands, it should not look or feel like "fence" but the guy is still lined up.
@@dajozale7010
Yes but they were both rock hard. It’s easy for a strong man who can fight to give self defence advice.
By its very nature; self defence is for untrained normal people.
When i was in the army I was in the barracks and a guy was picking a fight with me. I don’t remember why but I wasn’t feeling it so I remembered a prank and stripped naked and and was like “alright let’s go!” Immediately made space lol nobody wants to fight a naked guy (usually, god forbid someone calls my bluff)
or worse than calls your bluff, looks HAPPY that you're naked.
I've always been preaching this but never tried it, glad to know it works
Idk why people have a fear to fight a naked guy. Tbh if someone did this to me personally i would just wanna knock em out faster
Shane Shit, in my eyes if you're naked then I know you have no weapons.
Even if you win against a guy in the buff, you still lose lol.
I had a mate in High School who tried that outstretched spearing hand on the chest to try and keep a dude from hitting him, suffice to say the guy threw a huge right hand and damn near lifted him off his feet.
Really well demonstrated, with the different types of energy and how ... Unnecessary it is to go for broke as soon as contact is made. Also, your jumping knee is inspiring.
I wasn't the only one impressed by that, Jays got like a foot on him and he sprung like chin level lol
My first martial arts instructor was also a cop. The “philosopher” stance (dominant arm crossed across the solar plexus and off hand on the chin) was one of the first things he taught us. Like you, I worked as an undersized bouncer. That stance and hand position has saved me from serious injury on multiple occasions.
Going Condition Orange only works if you then tell them " I have gone to Condition Orange now Sir! "
This will also impress several nearby ladies
hahaha
Outro : For more uhhhh.... Gear Reviews?
NAILED IT!
Yeah it seems like sometimes he tries hard to NOT learn it.
I was taught the play with the beard stance in Secuity classes. But to have the other hand on my elbow not bicep (not that it’s a big deal), think they thought your hand could get lock in if the would be attacker pushed on your arm. I like that stance, always trying to calm them down & not escalate anything.
"I'm just gettin' the Cinnamon Toast Crunch, bro!"
Ahahaha. Nice.
Meta reference haha
Wish we had that.
Chael Sonnen:
*I CAN'T LET YOU GET CLOSE*
“I’ll take your center!” 😆🤣🤣🤣
Really good stuff! I've been taught the hands open "whoa buddy" and the interview stance but this is really good and like you said non-threatening/non-confrontational
I have been a bouncer and doorman at many different nightclubs for over 20 years. I really loved this video! Great advice on maintaining a tactical nonchalant stance!
You have a great attitude about self defense and offense. Your caliber of teaching is seriously at the top! Keep the content coming!
"you know who my dad is?" 😂 I heard that all the time when I was bouncing in Oklahoma.
It's a universal standard, especially in college towns...
@Gorgeous George oh yeah dude I saw a bunch of knife and gun fights in Oklahoma. Shits brazy.
Seriously the content keeps getting better!, awesome tips I'm gonna rewatch this again later!
Nice work Mike
5:38 - the ease an natural fluidity of that very simple but effective sequence tells me that this dude has an impressive amount of experience and knowledge built from it.
Nice to see Jay back!
Bah honestly i've been a guard for 4 years now and doing door work takes the patience of a fucking saint. Luckily i've managed to avoid all but 2 scuffles where luckily no one got hurt, because i managed to grab them and chuck em out with a clinch. Seriously tho over in England you need to do a course to be a guard and they don't teach you shit. It's a bunch of aikido bullshit that'll just get you killed. Thanks for the video it's actually more useful than the whole 1 week course they got me to do
same in germany, they even teach the SEK some wing chun and stuff..
You need Gracie jiujitsu, judo, wrestling,and boxing. Trust me. Aikido will get you killed
What was the course? Thinking about maybe getting into it.
There's a book named "Watch my back", written by Geoff Thompson. He was a bouncer in Coventry, a long time ago. Pretty good read, you might like it.
@@jordan2927 The course is called SIA (Security industry association)
This is the high quality information I subscribe to your channel for. I feel this is really your field of expertise and you always have great theories and insights to these gray area situation. Keep it up man.
Your videos just keep getting better all the time. This one is gold.
Love your videos! My instructor teaches the same concepts that you teach. It's been several years since I've been to class and watching these videos takes me back to everything I've learned. Keep it up man your doing great. Ignore those keyboard warriors and haters out there. I'd be willing to bet none of them have been in any real confrontation or even been decked in the face by someone.
I think these are the kinds of videos we actually need
30 years in martial arts
25 years teaching
10 years as a bouncer.
This is, by far the best cooler philosophy and tactic anyone could possibly have.
Understand this, Practice this, make it second nature.
Awesome job guys.
Hello nerd
I am not one to know, but, in all my years of perusing the topic, this video feels to me like the best self-defense advise I've found.
I've actually been thought that causal guard position with the hand on the chin before. Haven't had to use it, but like the idea behind it and definitely makes more sense than keeping your hands any lower.
Great video Mike. Especially that "interview stance " I never would have thought of that.
Now that you know about it, you’ll never unsee it.
Good stuff man very good stuff I use that when I was bouncing love it
"The Fence"-Geoff Thompson
Great information! I think one should always avoid starting a fight or precipitate one, even if it's part of your job dealing with violent people as a bouncer or law enforcer. Thank you for your intelligent and very pedagogical take on this kind of situations! Cheers
Love how you're serious but still manage to make me laugh🤣That jumping knee in that context🤣
As a Kung Fu nerd I have to say I love this content. I worked as security in a few bars. 5'8" is a very tiny bouncer...I figured it out. You rock!
Jay's looking pretty fit. Right on.
when I was taught your preferred stance (the thinker type/beard twirler) he called it the fence
Now that I'm 38th degree master, if I'm in close quarters and feel threatened I apply my iron shirt breathing, squint my eyes (harder to poke) and retract my testicles into my abdomen. Yes, it is difficult to talk to people while maintaining this impenetrable defence, and I have made myself pass out once or twice, but the principle is sound.
OSS.
Your content is always funny and I enjoy watching it, Lol! Glad I found you channel. Keep at it!
So, funny and incredibly on-point and wise. You obviously had great training and learned well- thanks for sharing.
Both of the stances has saved my skin a few times. The tricep touch from behid is a good way to anounce and prevent. Some people get a little too "energetic" and most of them calm down when you just touch their tricep so they can see that there are bouncers present.
I see a great opening for a head butt towards the end if it comes to getting ready for a fight.
You gotta love the sound effects :)
at 2:37 it is called the jack benny stance excellent way to stand, at 3:34 hand above the elbow perfect for controlling possible escalation.
This is actually good info. Keep up the good work fellas!
Also that stance you took looks very familiar to a cross guard. Well done icy mike I love the video keep it up
UA-cam misses you!
I feel you . Agreed. Accualy showed this my 13 year old. Will work for kids in school bs application.
Great tips. I do security everyday. College towns can be interesting.. I really enjoy your banter back and forth though that's why I really enjoy ur vids! Keep up the great tips!!
I worked the door at nightclubs in Philly and NYC for years. The best tools were a cool, calm attitude and deescalation techniques.
Damn im glad i found this channel...great work
Hey man, nice video! I think that What you mention here is really important in order to have success in a self defense scenario. At some point of the video you mention that you must try to keep your hands on the inside so then you can do whatever you're planning and I know there are a lot of thecniques that you could use in that moment but it would be good if you make a video or two talking about what to do in order to end up that "danger" situation.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I prefer Geoff Thompsons fence technique. Second touch of my lead hand its chin jab time. Thats gonna leave a mark.
This was awesome I'm not what call a fighter I only boxed when I was young and it's hard to not piss people off when you raise your hands
1:59
He had to do it to em
Oh my god that fucking has me dead
5:33 that reminds me of the first Master Ken video: break the finger, break the wrist, break the elbow, etc.
Great practical stuff! Thanks!
top advice. really great stuff.
I learned the upper arm (tricep area) control technique in the early 80s from the late great Charles Nelson. I employed it on numerous occasions during my career with the NYPD.
Teachers in my school used to grab me like that and dig their fingers into my arm. I knew they weren't allowed to touch students so I always defended myself cos I knew they would get in more trouble than me
Great stuff. I use some of it already in a psych ward where i work
Geoff Thompson has something called the Fence where he moves his hands very naturally whilst talking. Slightly different but similar in results.
@6:40 this dude is hilarious and the exact type of information i need before the lethwei headbutts lol
I love this channel, hilarious, educational, and most importantly useful
I e been doing Security for 20 years. NONE of this wisdom has ever been imparted by instructor I’ve ever had. I’ve learned through experience or from colleagues along the way; but these concepts are universal, powerful and applicable in a variety of situations.
@hard2hurt As somebody who did wing chun for around 4 years the phrase "take my center" brings back some heavy flashbacks..
Great vids thanks a lot, just discovering your channel and it's full of great material!
About that grooming stance, it is a nice guard concealment. But a pencak instructor once told me to never put my hand in my elbow. The guy only has to push on your forearm to lock both your arms with 1 hand. Instead I put my hand below my elbow, this way I can defend against someone grabbing my forearm.
Man we love ya jason never change
In the UK, where I'm from, it's now 00:31am. I love your videos. Also, for 2:34 that's what I was trained to do in the Met as a constable.
very entertaining and good insight and fundamentals too.
30 year sport fighting competitor and bouncer for 16 years, this is good advice.
Thanks man.
You channel is getting better as you get more funny.
Great video thank you. I think his topic critical for anyone. Keeping hands up closer to head at all times when even the smallest potential threat of violence exists. Countless people dying from one punch falling back and hitting their head on the pavement. Putting some meat between their strike and your computer key component to surviving violence. First rule of self defense is don’t get knocked the f*** out.
I guess depending on the person and their amount of training is what will determine the move/reactions of the opposing person in a possible confrontation. I mean, really if you think about it weather your inside or outside of the grapple can make you more of a target if you don't know how to reverse it. I've seen guys who didn't even know how to reverse an arm grab the way Jay did and still managed to come out on top, but having the presence of mind in ANY confrontation and the wherewithal to mentally manipulate the situation and/or people involved is key IMO.
Back in 1972. I was in a situation where a guy out of the blue swung a 16 once glass bottle of Coke at my head. I ducked it and round house kicked this guy in the face. He went down hard. I walked away. Later that night the state police showed up and my door and arrested me. I was taken to jail and charged with attempted murder for the so called beating of this guy. It was one kick! I was facing 5 years in prison.
After a long 8 months waiting for trial, just as we were ready to go into court. They offered me a deal. Pay for damages and it would be dropped. They wanted $1500. Not much right? Yes it was. I only made $1.10 an hour back then. But I agreed to this horrible settlement anyway. Then I loaded up my wife and kid and moved out of state rather than pay this shit head. 7 years later I had an attorney check to see if that judgement against me had expired. It had and was not renewed. So I was able to come back.
The moral of this long story is this. If you ever mix it up with somebody. Always, always call the police right after and file a report. Because the first one to file gets the presumption of innocence. And the other person’s the bad guy.
Hand over my solar plexus almost as a habit after years of working in crowds. Also, if you have enough size advantage, a hand between the shoulder blades might work better than at the elbow; it does for me anyway. It allows for a lower likelihood of escalation when in a loud environment and verbal communication is hindered.
1:01 this distance in JKD is just outside of kicking range, and it's where we usually hover looking for openings...
Hahahaha. I'm also a smaller dude, and not very intimidating (until I get mad), which always made security work my favorite. It made for more physical confrontations, and was a lot of fun. Had a lot of people either try to fight or run, and it kept it exciting all the time. Just thought of that when you mentioned being smaller and bouncing.
Haha! Very good video! I learned a few things today! And it’s was funny at some point ! 👌🏻 Thank You
I worked as door security for years, I am 5 foot 11 and at the time, maybe 160 pounds. I was much better at defusing than the big boys for a lot of reasons and yeah, keeping your hands up but casual is an art. Another positioning trick I used was to step in like I was trying to talk over the music, this gave me a chance to get my front foot between theirs 2 feet. Applied correctly gives you, the lower centre of gravity, a distinct leverage advantage.
I will say that I liked being right up close on the bigger drunks, it is a hell of a lot easier to block a punch if you make contact with the arm above the elbow, it reduces the power hugely and I have never met a big guy who could resist bear hugging a wee fellow like yours truly. As long as your arms are free when he goes for it, you can do whatever you like to him.
That "arms crossed" stance reminds me of Fist of Fury (The Chinese Connection). The scene I'm sure most people know I'm referencing is when Bruce Lee walks into the dojo and is approached. He adopts that stance to look casual, but one of his hands is already balled up into a fist.
That's interesting because I was taught 02:53 to try to calm a person rather than fight and it did work (my arms weren't that high and far from my body, of course -- more like a calming / warding gesture with the arms more loose and less rigid). But I'm not sure if it worked because of that or they simply weren't committed. They were drunk and angry that I was talking to their ex. I gave the guy room to save face and he later shook my hand and apologized.
25 years in clubs here
some good stuff here...I would say that the topic needs expounded upon, a few other physical reactions take place in these circumstances
a much longer vid is in order ..look forward to it
Love your practical and sensible lessons
Just bust out the old school playground windmill....with the wild screaming.
One of them will definitely connect.
Don't know if you're gonna read this or not, but nevertheless: I've been dealing with some tough times these past few years. A lot of death in the family that's affecting my life energy, motivation, goals in general etc. Things I wouldn't wish upon nobody. That being said, since I found you channel, I've been looking towards every one of your new videos (since I binged the whole channel in two weeks time) to teach me stuff I don't know, have a laugh and just to brighten up my day. Thank you for that, Mike and all the best, man. Cheers!
I'm glad we could bring you some smiles and laughs in your hard times my man. Thank you for your time. It means a lot to me.
First time view. Really like the way you teach it. Id take a class. Thanks.
love this video great tips for the professional and regular guy alike.You can find your self in court and loose a bar and your time in the security industry, real quick if you get to beating on people.I went to a bar with a pair of pliers on my belt, bouncer came up and said "is that a knife on your belt?I said "it is a pair of pliers I would be happy to take them out the car" so the guy has his hand on my shoulder. were are leaving to the car not a sign of trouble and four big goons worked there were racing up to beat my ass. the guy said "no trouble no trouble" so they turned around and walked off. i got to my car and said "you are a real life saver" he said "what do you mean"? I said "if your guys had beat me up over a pair of pliers and not killed me, a year from now, I would have set up under that bridge right there and shot a bouncer, any of them fine with me with a long range high powered rifle.Every time you come to work see me under that bridge in your mind" I would not shoot a guy over that rather sue and get some thing.I just wanted him to know looking the other way on that heavy handed give a beating co worker, can cost us both dearly. I love our courts and our cops and the system, Happy to go talk to the judge, call the cops and we can settle it with due process. The farther we get from that the more we suffer.
Great! Keep up work like this!
These videos are both fun and useful
I was never a bouncer, but I've used these techniques before and they are KILLER. I was really into Wing Chun at one point and used my knowledge (what little of it I had) with the trapping techniques to keep inside of the other persons "guard" (if you want to call it that). It's very difficult to get sucker punched when you're arms are on their biceps and you have a bit of trapping under your belt.
2:45 this position is actually a natural defense position. It doesn’t comes off as relaxed, but as defensive. Actually, any variation of cross arms comes off as defensive.
Tbh this is useful to anyone who’s getting in a situation that might be confrontational. I’m a manager at a 24 hour fast food place and I can’t even count how many times in the only 3 years I’ve been there that I’ve been face to face with someone who was confrontational. Always stood my ground though because I knew I could defend myself. Luckily only one guy got violent but he went to the parking lot and started throwing rocks through our windows so I called the cops because if I don’t have to fight I’m not gonna.
The cops came within minutes and tackled him in an alley 2 streets down. They said he got tangled in his shirt when they confronted him and he was high on meth.
All because I kicked him out since the lobby closed at 11.
" I'll take your Center 😏"
BIIIIIIITCH omg I diiied 😂😂