Attack from Behind in Self Defense? | Two Methods
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- We were discussing free shots and most of the martial artists and combat athletes I know actually don't have something ready to go for this scenario. Truthfully, it's not one that comes up very often if we are strictly talking about legal self defense or defense of others, but there are some scenarios where someone would be legally and morally justified in attacking someone from behind.
Once again, the laws where you live and the circumstances surrounding the incident matter very much so make sure you've considered your actions carefully.
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Question for Viewers: Can you think of any other scenarios besides defense of others where attacking someone from behind is viable?
Some guy trynna pull off a donkey guard.
Under some circumstances I think it could be viable to attack a intruder in your home from behind
Now you have to teach us how to get out of that choke because what if the bad guys are watching this video
Another scenario for valid reasons to attack from behind: if someone is eating your last piece of birthday cake and you have to stop them.
hard2hurt Controlling someone who is a threat to themselves or removing someone from a building. I once used a choke on a guy that was in the same situation you simulated. Great Video!👍🏻🇺🇸
The look on Mike's face when she says "I feel like I need more..."
Mike: You want a - different partners?
Wife: Every once in awhile.
@@ethanswimmer1287 dog wut lol
Eric Brooks I would have died
When she said, it's not weird... it was weird...
@@daywalkervictus I kinda wish they didn't have to cut away... Is there a behind the scenes?
2:36 I love how you leave these bits in... 😄
@@Groteskfull 🤔 😳 😄
@@BWater-yq3jx there was more nuggets from her, but too many degenerates on here.
I would also say you could be defending yourself if you're hiding from someone and they're looking for you but you can't run, like they're blocking the door or they have the key
Definitely dont want to blow your free shot there.
@Nick Karras 😳🥶
Sentry removaaaaaaaalllllll
Mike called it
2:59 me when I see a new hard2hurt
video has uploaded
Same, but with@WIKIPEDIA without pants.
You just need to make your stealth check. Then you catch the opponent flat footed which denies them their Dexterity bonus to AC. Also giving you a +2 to attack and an additional 1D6 damage.
gold
Successful attack from behind also imparts double damage. (Reading all this with a nerd lisp)
"if you want to be a total monster, a really bad person..."
I thought you were going to suggest the hip toss from the back. It's a scary throw
Yeah... throws do damage but dont always guarantee your position or at least the ability to disengage.
I tought it was going to be a super suplex from hell
@@hard2hurt To be fair, I'd wager that nothing you do "guarantees" you anything. Heck, I've even heard you say things similar like, "What if I could teach you a technique that worked straight up 60% of the time? That would be amazing, right!?" Situations where another person is at risk are always tricky to gauge, and you kind of have to weigh each on their merits. Does the guy have a pin across the neck and an underhook on the victim when you drag them to the ground? Then that victim is coming with you. Now a concern to figure out while continuing the engagement. Does the person instinctively duck out under the overhook when you try for the choke and pull the victim into you before shoving both of you into the wall once he's clear? Do they shoulder roll forward enough with the hook punch as you come in to make you land it straight on the vic's face instead of theirs? There's a good many techs that work from the back (like even an ol' fashioned sit out that just rocks them back onto their noggin' pretty rapidly), but that might be a bad look if they've already got their hooks in the vic really well. Even the whole "why you're there" thing matters. Are you doing bodyguard work? If so, if the vic is the primary, the name of the game is anything that removes them from the conflict and allows you to take their place in that conflict. Are you Icy Mike protecting his wife? You already have plans for this kind of thing and know that if he brings her with the both of you to the ground, it ain't exactly going to be great for him in that matchup. lol This is a GREAT vid, though. It'll make you go through your catalog of answers and see which kinds of questions they fit. Great work as always, ya'll!
I like that you included that you don’t need hooks for the choke. Very common misconception. I love this short arm finish, super effective
Having worked as a bouncer and concert security in my younger days I can confirm these techniques work for pulling an assailant off of someone and getting them to comply. One point I learned the hard way, make sure you drive forward with your hips and back with your shoulders, as Mike showed in his movements, once you are locked in to prevent them from hip tossing you.
Perfect husband wife combo!❤️❤️❤️ this was very entertaining and fun.
Great content, as usual. Glad to see the channel is starting to have the subs it deserves.
Haha maybe one day you can tell me, "This many. This many subscribers is the appropriate amount. Nobody else should subscribe."
You bet.
@@hard2hurt I think Panagiotis really means you got the quality of subscribers that you deserve not the number... hahaha
@@hard2hurt hahaha
As a writer writing fight scenes, this video was really helpful. Thanks!
2:37
HEH HEH HEH *YO!*
The best kind of trollin is the one you don't realize you're doing! And him looking back with the smirk adds herb & spice to the trollin! Having said that: have a video with your wife and the pilates girl from next door!
I love your martial art style! It’s so effective and realistic! It’s very sneaky and sleek. I love how it builds up. Maybe include some pins but it looks fine. Keep it up.
dude, you always come up with topics I haven't thought through yet. So true though, even highly trained people are used to face their enemy and have no muscle memory for such situations. I'd probably have picked a conventional technique like a side kick to ribs just to get him away from the attacked person, but only because it is one of the few things that feels natural at that position. Even thinking through this situation feels akward, obviously, since it is nothing most people ever practice for.
keep it up, love your channel and gratz to 100 000 subs
Secret Special Ice Move: Drive by Style and Gloat! WooooOOOoOoOOO! I'm learning sooo much from this channel, lol.
2:36 this one moment made my whole week.
Haha love Jay, such a cool and friendly dude! I almost wish this video was longer because the different choke types and especially taking him down are interesting! Pulling his head back and dragging him down with a choke, dragging him backwards and kicking his knee from under him... its almost like krav maga.
I got to watch Bareknuckle fights with IcyMike last night. Yeah, I'm awesome! Also, shout out to the strong guy as the channel bromance continues! lol
I had to stop watching because my son asked me to watch NXT with him.
"To Prevent being Mugged, Become the Mugger"
Hi Mike, next video i wanna some suggestions on how to stab crippled opponents if you are the only one holding a knife.
The amount of times i've gotten in situations at my line of work(8+ years, avg of 2-3 combative incidents a week) and used that quick half choke and utilized my body weight and leverage to subdue is insane. Seeing it in a video like this is refreshing. I find myself going that half choke from a face to face most times and turn to a hip toss and lock in the choke. Mind you i've never had formal training just taught myself strangely enough from videos sort of like these and learned the best ways naturally (through muscle memory) to avoid damage, most of the time I rely on a mix of adrenaline and diversionary tactics to minimize the injuries possible to all parties involved.
Are you a bouncer? Psychiatric Hospital? Genuinely curious.
Great vid again Mike - I think a lot of people have been in this situation (where someone else is being attacked) and had no idea what to do to help ....
As a bouncer, this has been 90% of my job.
02:55 OMG I swear to God Mike is the only person on planet earth to merge combat information with comedy so flawlessly
Hi Mike, I love your content. Can you do a video on why you started jujitsu, what changed from when you were a white belt to today, and what the top three tips were that helped it "click"?
Small tip for single hooks, adjust your hip like you're trying to get your leg completely over him, makes it a bit more secure and harder to shuck off. If you really want to secure the single hook, just triangle his single leg.
Alternatively, carry actual fishing hooks and scare them away with your complete insanity.
I was right about this video and as a security guard it was exactly why I was interested, protecting others. I have nearly been in a few scenarios where I would have had to have helped, two while off shift but in uniform, fortunately those situations all resolved themselves before I had to. They are what finally prompted me to get back into martial arts, and good fundamentals / combat sports this time, as I wasn't 100% sure what I was thinking I would have done would a) work or b) I could even pull off anymore if so.
Also for the choke. As a smaller guy I tried it on my BOB (it's 4am and I'm off work and bored with no one to beat up) and getting your head against the back of the neck/head definitely helps and seems to make it less likely of getting a rear headbutt, if that's a thing to be worried about. However at the tallest setting (6-7ft ish monster) I had to basically jump up and/or climb on the body using my arm that is going to drive into the back to grab the shoulder/collarbone before setting up the other arm for a choke, and drive my hip in to set up, but I felt very vulnerable dangling like that, though I could hook I am wondering if that's the best plan vs someone that tall as I'd be worried about being squashed like a bug from them in a standing position. That or stand on the base to set up; granted I would kick someone's leg from behind or climb them to set up if I had to and knew it could really work instead of the other way.
The endings are always so good.
Could’ve sworn you had like 37k subscribers like last month
You know that's why I love this Channel Mike reads your comments or responds to them and he address them in a next video
I try... it is getting really hard lately... but I try to at least get to the ones that are very insightful.
@PogChamp man that's so meaningful. Thanks dude.
@PogChamp which btw the personal life got scrapped a long time ago. Now its sleep that we are cutting into. All that's left is training time.
@@hard2hurt Do you have a subreddit or something? That could be great for managing suggestions and video ideas
4:41 oh no. Jay is being choked by a testicle!
I really like your videos. Great stuff man. Just no nonsense defense.
It took me while to click on this one. I saw attack from behind and I thought wtf are you try to help the predators of the world? But it all made sense straight away.
Good work 👍
Sneak attack is my absolute favorite. Solved so many situations that way before they devolved as private security.
You guys are awesome, every once in a while....
Missed a huge opportunity to name this video WORLDSTAR HITS
I always liked using the full nelson for this type of thing. I have broken up many a fight back in the college days that way.
Easy to get out of, my man.
One year latter that face at 2:38 is still one of the funniest moments
0:52 The Charleston choke 👌
please tell me more about that move......
Great instruction
This lever choke was what Khabib used to finish Connor, as explained by Joe Rogan. He didn’t have the arm all the way under the chin but didn’t matter because it still functions as a choke. People called it a jaw crush or neck crank and said Connor tapped fast but Joe said it still chokes because of that other elbow acting as a lever. Wicked.
I find the best solution in that kind of situation is to tell the guy that you've called the police and they said they're on their way and that they need to leave before they get there.
Very good strategy in alot of cases
This does work a lot of the times but beware of the crack heads that dont care haha.
@Matthew Corso I think it's still good to have someone call the police even if you have to take immediate action if that's an option.
Once, in a bar fight(my one and only bar fight experience), after I dropped my “opponent”, I saw my friend got pushed to the corner and pounded by two guys, I walk up and did a palm heel strike to the back of the ear, worked like a charm, that wasn’t a knockout, but that guy totally stopped and went on his knee, then I thrown a cross to the other guy’s chin from his 3, he hold on wall and stopped fighting, then I just called the cop.
Too me, palm heel strike has a shorter reach when I’m facing someone, but is just so easy and powerful when I’m behind someone, since reach doesn’t really matter anymore.
I was a young man of 50 years when I was jumped from behind walking to a bus stop in a very rough part of downtown St. Louis. I am an old freestyle wrestler and I was able to step behind the much bigger, younger and stronger assailant before he could lock a choke and it fell into a headlock which was easily slipped giving me complete back control as I took him to the ground. I then just talked to the guy as I kept him contained, then gave him a couple bucks for a meal and caught my bus. So in a street encounter you never when or how events will unfold.
Why would you need to land with your knuckles in this case. I know it's horrible to say this but... we have plenty of evidence that forearm hits across the chin work, from CCTV of the most common type of surprise knockout assault. I don't think there's much evidence suggesting you could land harder with your knuckles than what people already do instinctively.
Next step: *How to Hide the Body*
In a cart full of hay, duh.
Pigs are a good option.....
Step one: pick the rogue class
Step two: roll for stealth
Step three: roll for sneak attack
Finally a channel that doesn’t humor the “You should just run if that happens!” I’m so sick of the keyboard commandos always using that cop-out.
Speaking from Jujitsu, you have just given him breathing room by letting him into the corner or your elbow. That way you’ll have to use more strength. When you bring your forearm across his neck, you stop midway so your arm is straight across his neck. Then you just rotate your arm to choke him out. It requires no strength and he goes out much faster.
3:53 best tip 💯
Lol...clever beginning to the video. I appreciate that.
Nice vid. Again!!! Keep it up. I teach the rear naked choke to all the women in my classes as a power move/badass move so they feel like they could take control of a situation instead of just reacting to it. I usually let them set it up with what u just showed.
Great demo mate both good students
You know she brings up a good point and that is size and strength. Self defense when the person is bigger and stronger. Size matters and it applies to women and men. A guy facing someone 5 inches taller and 50lbs heavier has a problem and at some point even better skills and prep doesn't cover that gap.
Sentry Removal Technique got me
Good stuff man!
2:38 this is the best!!!
2:50 😂 you guys are awesome !
I love your channel! I'd like to propose an idea for a video, self defense in an active shooter scenario.
I honestly doubt this video can teach me something I didn't already learn in dishonored 1 and 2. Great video anyway hehe
I laughed when Mike said "in a case where he just happens to do a drive by: Whoooooo!!" Imagine if someone makes that battlecry when they so happen to come running to you to hit you! I'm just being goofy folks lol
Make a video on what happens DURING a street fight. It's not always one punch ko's and its definitely not how most self defense videos on UA-cam imagine it as. It's constantly struggling with giving hits and taking hits. I'd appreciate if this topic was discussed deeply.
I think a Jiu-Jitsu nerd would call that a fulcrum choke. It's a variant of the RNC, at least as I was taught.
If you don't get the full crook of your elbow around their neck the Gable grip can be used to apply pressure to their throat with the side of your hand. They WILL stop what they are doing if you pressure their throat in this way. My god, it is painful.
I don't know about other states but in Minnesota your rights and responsibilities for self-defense apply to anyone else around you who could be hurt as well. Like if I can get away I'm supposed too, but if there are others that can't get away I can help them. Any restrictions on that is in my opinion and probably in fact unconstitutional
When you're in a fight, you pummel your opponent till he realizes that you know how to fight and turns and says, "I'm gonna get my gun!"
Attack immediately from behind!
I snuck attack some one before in a mental hospital in my younger crazier days. Guy I was having problems with I creeped up behind him got him in a simple forearm choke and just fell back taking him down with me. He struggled and threw a few punches to the top of my head, didn't do anything because they were just arm swings and had no power.
So I realized I needed to tuck my head down now he couldn't do anything and I just held him there until the hospital staff came running up and separated us.
Was a state hospital and some of the guys in there were pretty crazy and could become violent. So fights we're common place in there.
If someone is trying to get in your car and you carry a gun in there, someone has broken into your home, they’ve knocked you down and are going for a weapon, while wrestling with them someone has dropped something and they’re going for it.
However this depends on your views of self defense the years of TKD that I’ve done also tell me, to just run away if they turn they’re back to you
2:35 I feel I need more ...(Mike's face) .... for training :-)))))
Watched the videos for the quality of information, subbed for the laughs
Love this channel
Great content
I was having an argument with someone in 2016 when a random passer-by put me in the same hold as 0:53 i remember counting 6 seconds as i was dragged backwards in this hold before i woke up minutes later about 20 metres away from the arguement, this sleeper hold works.
I like how the strike can set the choke up. I would most likely try to go straight from one to the other. Im also corrections so... maybe i think different.
This choke technique looks like a sibling to Sangga Maut from silat. Its usually initiated by a parry (defensive) but Ive tried it as an offensive move initiated by "clinching" the guard of my buddy before swivelling to their backs. But theyre strikers so it may be a bit weird for them to be grabbed.
Quick question what do you think of fightsmart trav ? Me I like his approach but it could be my lack of understanding or experience in the fight game . So I know I really like your videos too and would like an educated approach on other systems out there . Ok thank you for your time . stay healthy.
I learnt some of these from military Sanda used for sentry removal
Hi Ted!
OKAY, but what if the attacker has a KNIFE?? If you try to choke, he can just stab you.
This week a man attacked a women with a knife and just started stabbing her and everyone was standing around in fear. How could someone assist in a situation like this? Mind you, the guy was probably 6 ft tall.
@hard2hunt
if you have a free shot how about a shin stomp/ straight kick directly to the shins? or how about straight to the achilles tendon since it's free? those aren't as flashy, but if there's a way to mess the achilles up it's game over
That's really, really dumb.
Thanks!
Thank you.
Mike hit the gym so hard after this
I've done arms and shoulders all week hahaha.
@PogChamp mike would win
Don't tell jay i said that
hey mike, wouldn't a liver/rib shot be a more safe way if you have a free one? i mean in the demonstration u showed, they were struggling a bit but still enough to throw you off target quite easily with a punch like you suggested because the head is a rather small target comparing it to the ribcage/stomach area. and there is also a higher chance that you miss and hit the person you actually wanted to help, most of us ain't fighters and accurate like you with your striking.
Cause he knows its best time to post
This Gable Grip technique is awesome! But is it "legal" for MMA or grappling?
Yes. It's a pretty basic element of wrestling, grappling and mma. Like day 1.
Just my own personal anecdote, but I have once successfully applied a rear naked choke type hold on a guy significantly taller and bigger than me while standing behind him, and he was trained as a wrestler to boot. Basically he was being kind of a prick to one of the other wrestlers and I wasn't really feeling it so I used the technique to pull him away from the other guy. The caveat with my example is that obviously it wasn't a life or scenario, but still I doubt he really would've preferred that I did that to him. The point is I think one can potentially pull it off, based on my experience.
"Drive-by style" LMAO.
Make video on How to defend if someone surprise attacks(punches or chokes) from behind??
If someone surprisingly punches you from behind hard enough you're going down (unconcious probably), when someone locks choke from behind you're going to sleep. The only real defense to back attacks is situational awereness
@@tprnbs thanks for the tips👌👍
Yeah defense against surprise attacks from behind is last on the list of training priorities because if you do the things higher on the list... they dont happen.
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"ALREADY?" x,D
Heck combine em. Slide into the choke from the punch
That Charleston choke looks cool
Over here they use a piece of wood strapped to the arm and short choke from behind, it's a bad guy move here. Can you show a viable defense to getting caught unawares from a surprise choke from behind. They don't RNC, thankfully, it's usually wooden forearm against the throat with a gable grip.
That choke + elbow in the back is actually from aikido (iriminage) haha. I dont say aikido doesnt suck but it has some good moves... Btw i train aikido and kickboxing and have trained mma. :)
I mean taking someone's back is a great way to defend yourself so also quite useful in self-defense ...
Mike - any thoughts on the hip toss from that choke position?
Few years back I was at a new years party, and this guy who couldn't even sit in a chair straight was trying to get in his car and leave. My dude was between him and the car trying to get him to go inside, so I slid in like a foot behind him and decided if he threw on my friend I'd grab him. Sure enough he did and I bear hugged his waste and just picked him up, and held him there until my friends came out and restrained him until the cops came. We probably saved his life and whoever else was out driving that night. So save a life and attack the back!
This is weird. Because I hear this argument, that spinning attacks "Won't work," because you're turning your back on the enemy. "I'll just ATTACK YOU FROM BEHIND" before you land that backfist. Right? Okay, then not only is this a valid Defense, but I'd be willing to bet it's one you've actually argued before.
Is hitting someone is the back of the head/neck before applying the choke for a stun effect real/ better, or one of those things that's good in theory but ends up just giving you a worse choke position?
WORLD STAR!
After seeing this
Tries on classmate and breaks the bone🤣
Which bone? Whose bone?!
Humor🙄
If an attacker hits you and runs away, can you chase and hit from behind.