Rogator Pros & Cons
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- ** My last Rogator video, and I much enjoyed it! I gave a Pros & Cons in my opinion only of what is important to me and our operation.
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Mike starts saying goodbye halfway through the video, typical farmer "before you go" hahaha
😂 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@mikemitchell2554 we're all the same 😂😂
I've watched several of your reviews and I can say you do a honest review without bashing the company. Very impressed with that Sir. 👍👍👍✌️
Thankyou good sir 🙂
I get why Mike probably doesn't want to discuss some of this stuff publicly, but I'd love to know what their machinery investment and cost is per acre seeded.
The big quad tracks sell for about $600K. The drill and cart are about another $600K. They have 5 seeding units that do 40,000 acres, so 8000 acres per machine. $1.2M/8,000 = $150/acre.
The rule of thumb for farm equipment is it costs 25% of its value to own it, for depreciation, insurance, cost of capital and upkeep. On new equipment the depreciation is much higher, so this figure is probably 30-33%. So their machinery cost for seeding is $150/acre x 30-33% = $45-$50/acre.
Combines are $600K. I doubt they each harvest 8,000 acres. 8000 acres with one machine is a lot. Probably more like 5,000 acres per machine. $600K/ 5,000 acres = $120/acre x 30% = $36/acre.
Sprayers are $600K. Probably do 6,000 acres each. Sprayers do way more acres an hour, but the application windows are short and you need to do multiple applications, so they don't cover a lot of acres each. $600K/6,000 acres = $100/acre x 25% = $25/acre sprayer cost.
Then you have the miscellaneous stuff... headers, grain carts, grain trucks, augers, spray plane, rock pickers, loader, excavators, service truck, etc. Lets say another $2M over 40,000 acres = $50/acre x 25% = $12.50
Total machinery cost per acre is $45 + $36 +$25 + $12.50 = $118/acre. That number doesn't include fuel, operator, seed, fertilizer, chemical, land rent, taxes or grain storage costs. That is just the cost of owning and using the equipment they do.
Farming is an interesting business.
That is pretty good. Now, with avg yields, what is an acre of canola net, less inputs not including machinery>
@@timgear9892 pubsaskdev.blob.core.windows.net/pubsask-prod/115298/Crop%252BPlanning%252BGuide%252B2020.pdf
There are lots of crops with Return over Total Expenses of $100 or so. Some are negative.
The target yields are top 20%, and you aren't going to get that every year. But Mike and his brothers are probably to 20% operators.
I would think Mike's Machinery Depreciation and Machinery Investment costs are much higher than what are in the guide. The guide assumes 10.7% straight line. New equipment depreciates a lot faster than that and Mike's investment per acre is probably a lot higher than normal. See items 15 and 17 on page 4.
@@SomeTechGuy666 Excellent link and publication tech guy. Thank you! They certainly raise a large number of specialty crops up there in Sask. Hard to believe with their rocky soil and short climate. Of course Mike seems to always be spreading commercial fertilizer with every field operation. Very interesting operation they have going. I am happy he came on u-tube.
Thanks for the figures.I only had a vague idea of the costs involved so it's good to see them fleshed out a bit.
Personally i doubt i could be a large scale farmer.I don't think my mind could cope with spending half a million on a single piece of equipment!Haha
As a guy that details our tractors in the winter time, I dont see the metal on the corner posts as a con. It would be much easier to scrub mud and dirty off the metal than it is to scrub it off of hard and soft plastics, but to each their own. Great video Mike!
We like the second sight gauge on the back because we are always in a different field entrance, some are flat some are not and when we are on an incline or decline, it's nice to be able to make an average of the level between the two when loading, so we don't have to guess how much we are off based on incline/decline.
Zach Glick The latest UK Fendt Rogator has a machine levelling switch in for filling on uneven land.Its a good thing.
Personally i like the metal finish in the cabs vs cheap plastic.
Dang it Case, Give Mike a fridge already! And Mike, don't worry about losing your voice, you already said the most important words of your life, "I do"
The R Series Deere sprayers are extremely comfortable and nice to run. They have a fridge and Bluetooth. Extremely smooth riding, between the Case and Deere I would take the Deere every time. All the machines can hold product and pump it out the boom, a lot of it comes down to operator comfort and usability. I have always wanted to try a Hagie but from everyone who has run a front boom I know they said they would never go back to a rear boom.
Totally agree on companies nickel and diming you. Putting some comforts in the cab would have no impact on their margins, but makes a world of difference when you are in the field
About the sight tube. I used to like front and back tank sight tube. If the machine was parked in a little incline you can check both tubes to see more accurately the tank level. But with the new digital readout it might not be as necessary.
Mike spits fire,regardless of the color of the equipment.
I like him alot just based on his honesty.
I never ran into the same person on this platform. (there could be similar farmers,but i didn't found them yet)
Mark, I love your channel, especially your sense of humor and that you love all colors, it’s hard to find people these days that like Deere and case, and fendt! Can’t wait for the wedding video. Keep it up my man!
Who the heck is Mark?
Possibly Mike's alter ego, your guess is as good as mine? 🤪
sometimes I miss working on the farm till friday comes and the pay makes me forget all about it. Love your videos bud great work!!
Makes sense to try them all out before plummeting few millions into purchase for few of those.
Only drawback is that Mike would like a Lego set of each one and put together the one he likes.
I have a felling that we will see a fleet of Apaches in the future
maybe if they were 4 wheel drive
Congrates on ur wedding ur wife is a lovely help on farm and evey thing a big help ur lucky man
I know absolutely ZERO about farming but I love these videos! Keep em' coming!
It’s the simple things. We spend 800k on Deere cotton pickers and we can’t get a fridge or even a Bluetooth radio😅
Right!!! Ha ha
Really? Wtf....
Very good review. Honest and to the point not a sales job. The location of corner posts is a big deal if you are driving it.
I put a 10” sub in my JD r4060. They have a good system but that really makes it sound good!
I like it that you are fair and balanced on your opinions of equipment!
I agree with your comment about the seat and cab.
We’re running at RG1100. 150 foot boom. I get your point with the cab, not the greatest one on the market...but I’d sacrifice that and get more acres covered and spend less hours in the cab at the end of the year by going back and forth with 150 feet!
The sight tube is at the opposite corner of the tank so you can figure out your gallons if you are not parked level from side to side as well as front to back.
That Dash is same in my rogator year 2002......
Thanks for great videos.
Greetings from Sweden.
I remembered Tuesday afternoon that your wedding was going on and you were outside. I was curious so I pulled up the radar over your wedding. I was surprised and confused at what I was seeing. There was a storm with low pressure circulation going on that looked exactly like a hurricane. The way I saw it, that thing should've had an eye-wall. Like I said before, I live in Daytona Beach, I'm in aviation, and I'm very familiar with the structure of hurricanes. I wish I would've video'd the radar image of what I was seeing.
Wow Great Machine I have never seen it before
you made a very good comparison between a vehicle and a piece of farm equipment.
Mike, you don't lose any of your mapping with the Hawkeye, the Accuterminal for the machine is a UT display, so you can just display your Hawkeye UT screen there. Also when you're rinsing, you can can be recirculating your booms to be scrubbing them with your freshwater at the same time. Allows you to clean your tank and boom at the same time.
You would think that with a large purchase your farm is planning on doing for sprayers that these companies would be beating down your door for business. The demos are nice for testing for the time being and you all putting them to work. Totally understand the need for after sales support also being very important. Nothing worse then spending $500K+ on a piece of equipment to then have to spend $1500 for a service call for repair work. Or them nickel/dime you to death for options that should come as standard at these price points. I wish it was easier for you farmers out there!
Mike you were talking about throttle control and that the John Deere's don't have the wheel but instead they have buttons? The smaller John Deere's (like my 6r for example) Have the wheel and a "stick" for your 2 different ranges. Either your 9rx's are older, newer, or John Deere just decided different on the bigger models. Keep up the great work!
The steel corner posts are great for putting gopro or phonemounts on Mike! Think Mike think! 😂
Great video Mike . You are so right about the price of farm equipment- it’s over the top
@Mike Mitchell Hope you get to do one on the Deere! We are looking at updating to a newer one this winter!
The reason for the sight tube on the back right hand side is, of your standing on an angle or slope and you want to add an exact amount of liquid, you take the average of both to find your total fluid. It is 180 degrees from the front left side.
Mike, you really should have a look at the Horsch Leeb sprayer. Looks like a real big boys toy. I would say: German engineering at its best.
Love honest opinion on equipment. Looking forward to harvest videos. Congratulations on getting married. You have a wonderful wife. Treat her Wright . The good ones are hard to come buy.
Mike the fridge in the John Deere R sprayers is an option
That's awesome! And I should have known Deere would charge extra for it 😂.. But it shouldn't be an "option" they should be standard on anything over 400k
I have one in my tractor , and I want to throw it out it’s in my way
U can actually field install it harness is tucked behind the seat
We want to see the biggest Moment in your Life
I didn't take a single picture or video of it, we paid ppl to come down from Regina for that. But I don't think they are ready yet
@@mikemitchell2554 Looking forward to it Mike!
LOL. "take the Capstan off and throw it away" I agree. I had Capstan on my 1100C and took it off and threw it in the trash
For the money these machines cost I mean tractors, sprayers, combines whatever they need to have a first-class sound system it would really piss me off to spend half a mil or more and have a ten-cent sound system
And Fridges, power inverters, heated/cooled seats, big comfy cab, quiet, LED lights, back lights in all the buttons, good ride, wireless phone charging, and I could keep going haha.. But they should all be standard with those!
I am hoping you didn’t have to go with “Plan E” due to the changing weather. You indicated your area normally doesn’t get much rain but just as luck would have it there certainly was a “Unique Weather Pattern” that hit your area at the time of the wedding 💦💨🦟⚡️🌊⛈
No autoluber on this thing? Wow. I can't imagine. The Deere I run has it hooked up so many places I bet I use a tube of grease every 6 hours. A lot of the zerks on the machine would be 10 hour zerks. I could not imagine spraying 20 hours (which I have done before) and greasing over the whole machine at least once but most places twice. I feel spoiled
I've been where you are on other equipment. I want to take the best features of each brand and build something that actually works.
First thing I did with my Gator was change the speakers. Chewed on the agco rep about that.
Hi Mike awsome video totally agree on Tractor/combine/sprayer cabs why do they not make them the best they can .keep up the good work greetings from uk
Congrats from oz on your wedding mate , big fan of your channel really refreshing to get an unbiased( unsupported) opinion on equipment , champ when harvest rolls around can you run through set up of the automation on the ideals , good to see Ag Co with a big harvester but other than the manufacturers vids I can’t find any real world operators giving them a workout
Have you looked into Oxbo sprayers? I understand the cost of getting one and running it on a demo, but they are well built, fully customizable and are generally less money than the JD or Case. It is a front boom but has a large cab, is quiet and the engine is built for many years of use with little maintenance.
I'd like to see Ashtyn making a pro and con video about Mike ;)
So when will i receive a slice of the wedding cake? 🍽️🍰😋 and now you have to check all the pipes on all the machinery you have to find out where did she chop that black rubber ring she gave you 🤣🤣
That 8,4 L engine is made in Finland 💪🏼 🇫🇮
SISU diesel made in Finland (Valtra)
What could be more appropriate than for a guy who lives on weather to have a storm on his wedding. Appropriate.
Mike love your classic I H hat. Our family was all red in the 70's and I remember my father wearing ones just like that
Mike said "slough"!!! 👍👍🤣
Mike we need to see the Deer...
Other than the controls and dash that is the same cab shape that the terragators have had for 25 years or more. I ran a 1995 8103 terragator and that cab looks almost exactly the same minus the controls.
Mike with John deere you can not rinse all the plumbing with out using the auto rinse system, it is super simple you just touch on button.It is not possible to do it manually and do a full clean out job.Why does Mark get to run the Deere and you don't?The Apache seemed quieter because it is mechanical drive and when going up hills it wouldn't rev up and get loud.The fridge is a option, part number AL201962 it is $1012.65 from the dealer.
🤔 I don't think he wants a review on it 😂🤷♂️
Ah that's good that you can get one, but for the price it should come standard and then alot more. I don't like the options costs or activation fees of any manufacturers. It's all just a cash grab
Ok Mike another epic video, keep up the good work ,
Congrats to you both hope the day still went well apart for the rain !!! ;)
That’s a fact. If you spend 600k$ on equipment where you spend major of your wake up time, comfort and functionality is very important. You get five Bentleys for that. 😅
You are “TEASING US” by delaying the posting of the wedding video😂💑🤣 Maybe you and Ashtyn took a well deserved break and are on an “Mini Honeymoon”
Haha I didn't take a single picture that day, it was all done by photographer/video people.. We haven't got them back yet..
But yes, we are cruising Saskatchewan again this weekend, you can follow us on Patreon 😉
Mike Mitchell My brother who at the time was a professional photographer asked me to take the “Candid Pictures” for the wedding weekend and then gave me shit because I took over 5,000 images.
His mother in law loved me because she made up multiple albums depending on the various aspects of the weekend.
The wedding party & immediate family bought them a 27”’ iMac which came in handy to view the images.
I learnt first hand what was involved in the gals getting ready for the day as I filmed them getting up, doing their hair & makeup etc.
It sounds like you might have had some weather delays.
We delayed the ceremony because the “RoughRiders” were playing a football game and being from Saskatchewan seeing the end of the game with a drink in your hand took priority over the reception 😂🍺🏈🤣🍷
totally agree with you
Love your reviews can’t wait for review of wedding!
That pause at 23 mins is hilarious.
Are you guys shopping for a fleet of sprayers? Is that why all these brands are sending you demos?
Yes
For 40.000 acres you need a few sprayers 😅
@@j-bdekker4871 Is that how many acres they seed ?
@@SomeTechGuy666 yes. Approximately
@@jandewit6574 4 brothers ?
How many sprayers are you going to buy? And are you trading in the ones you are running presently?
Congratulations
Great video Mike
Manufacturers need to get operators to work with engineers, cause most engineers are clueless on operator needs and wants!
What is the pans (behind the RX) used for?
Hey mike, have you thought about a Hagie sprayer? A couple neighbors of mine run them and really love them, mainly for the high clearance in corn.
Mike, I really like your channel, and please in no way consider this bashing. I keep hearing how much you get in another industry for the price. I think the real problem is ag products have not kept up with the cost of other products. In the 70's corn sold for $2.50-ish a bushel now it is $3.50-ish, I'm sure that is true of the grains you deal in as well. A real nice car or pickup sold for $4,000-ish now it is $40,000-ish and the pickups you just bought probably $70,000.00-ish. If you were getting 10x the 1970's grain price you probably wouldn't worry so much about machinery the price.
Also the volume of production of sprayers is low, and if you want to compare how much volume production changes the cost of manufacturing compare any high volume car to these: Bugatti La Voiture Noire. Price: $12.5 Million, Rolls-Royce Sweptail. Price: $12.8 Million, Bugatti Centodieci. Price: $9 Million, Mercedes-Maybach Exelero. Price: $8 Million, Bugatti Divo. Price: $5.8 Million, Pagani Huayra Imola. Price: $5.4 Million, Koenigsegg CCXR Trevita. Price: $4.8 Million.
I've never even seen any of these models but to me for the price they should literally fly.
By the way I have worked with molded parts for over 40 years and the molding in this dash are are crap! Not bashing just a fact.
the price of these sprayers is quite ridiculous though. They cost the same as combines in some cases like the ones Mike is testing. They are fairly straightforward designs, frame, tank, hydraulics, wiring for electronics/sensors, etc and everything is usually exposed and not under a bunch of panels and use a lot of common parts from other products in the companies catalog. They are easier to assemble and build then a tractor or combine. I mean Apache hand makes their sprayers and they are usually $200-300k less then the bigger name brand sprayers. Makes ya wonder how that can be with a low volume production unit, did Apache figure out a secret formula or are the other brands really overcharging?
Excellent video mate 👍👍🚜🚜💨
Good video mike. Still telling how it is. Hope the wedding went well.
I made AgCo change the Windshield wiper to the left side so it wasn't in my way.
Surprised mike hasnt talked about a versatile self propelled yet. From what I can tell they are a "cheaper" or more basic sprayer, alot like the Apache. Around 500,000 new capaired to 750,000 like the fancy brands. But I'm gonna guess there isnt a close dealership? Or maybe they just arent good?
Those sprayers are junk. 2 neighbors had them and both didn't make the summer, wiring issues, sensors issues, one had engine problems, def problems, blowing hydraulic lines, broken booms, and other stuff. Apaches are 10x better, thats what we have now.
It may be ridiculous but you will keep on buying something! Farm equipment has inflated much faster than the overall inflation rate, bordering on ridiculous but farmers keep on buying it, financing it and using it, so there’s little incentive for manufacturers to innovate and build better equipment. When it comes right down to it, there’s not much difference between most of them and very little difference in the price. I’m interested to know how AGCO gives you free service? I doubt it’s free, so is it built into the sales price? Service contract? Lease?
Yes built in.. Our Ideals were cheaper with a 5yr/3000hr bumper to bumper warranty, and the first 3 yrs serviced all in our shop, than deere was with the 790s with no extra warranty.
Mike Mitchell - Thanks for the explanation and I understand the thinking, so while your reviews are entertaining and your rants funs, your pro’s and con’s insightful, they really don’t get to the under lying buying decision, price and warranty and maybe reliability? Just curious and not a criticism of your work, because I enjoy the channel, watch every episode and like them all. BTW, congratulation to you and Ashton! Some rain isn’t so bad during a wedding, it hailed during mine, in a steel roofed building!!
Cab is small? Compared to what? Have you ever been in a Case Patriot? RoGator has twice the cab space. It’s like a Living room compared to a closet.
Hey Mike, on the video we see the Deere quadtrack with a scraper. Would be nice to see a video running that!
Mike is the X9 going to make an appearance this fall??
I hope so 🤷♂️
As of now what sprayer do you like the best out of the ones you have demoed?
When you getting front boom sprayers our? I’d like your opinion on a New Holland and Hagie!
I want to see your demo review on a hagie
Congratulations on your wedding
Just buy an Apache and be done with it. In fact compared to the options, you can buy 3 instead of 2 of the other makes. No brainer.
All true, def need a fridge
Does the rogator have individual nozzle/ tip shut off ?
I believe you could get that yes
Do a review of you're new john deere sprayer.
Hi there....i am waiting for ....Wedding Pros & Cons ....!! ☝🏻
Gonna demo a versatile? Same category as all apache. And if can size is important .......😜
Do a Video about those Scrapers you got attached to the Deere in the background.
Hey Mike, I can't wait until you're going to get the new 5550 Trident to demo. I'm running one here for 2 years now. Just curious what you'll think about it. Love your videos man😅
Good to see that you can still walk after your wedding night.lol congrats on the wedding.
As a complete numpty other then what Ive gleaned from farmer UA-cam I'm curious Mike, have you ever run New Holland equipment? Maybe you have/do and I've just not seen it on camera. If not any particular reason or no not really?
Try a Hardi Rubicon 9000sprayer?
You could move the UT for the Hawkeye down to the accu terminal.
A little edgy today mike , that cab is a piece of crap just can’t understand how that passes the designer’s as a nice place to work . Great review once again 👍
Ok, it is not a “buddy seat” as I have been corrected several times. It is called a “Operators Instructor Seat”. Ha... has to do with insurance reasons by the powers to be for the naming of it... Go figure...
Ha! 😂
Hey Mike,
just wanted to know if you have tried the Claas Xerion out. Or is it to small for your farm?
Many greetings form Germany
thanks for sharing!
Have you ever tried the oxbow? Hope you and ashtyn have a great life together!