FFXIV: New Player Experience Chnages in 7.1 - Hall Of The Novice Updates
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One thing I wish they would fix is syrcus tower those triple stack markers that people stack sets a bad example so when this people get to fights where there are multiple stack markers they try stacking it and wipe parties. Some old duties influence really bad habits and need to fixed
But they're stack markers!
PS - I'm being facetious.
If they changed that stack to actually do damage the following months of experienced players forgetting and accidentally wiping all 3 alliances at once would be hilarious
@@northslate4850 Honestly I’d be willing to suffer that just for a laugh
@@gravitykat714And so later content gets less awful.
It truly annoys me how the endgame content for each expansion doesn’t follow the marker rules from the previous one, specially going from ARR > HW > StB. It felt even more baffling with the dungeon updates for duty support, but the old trials and alliances never had tank busters and stack markers unified - or at least differentiated enough.
i hope at some point we get an update that restricts you from queuing up past a certain point without a job stone, i remember getting a rogue in the last endwalker trial and said rogue was as helpful as you'd expect
If you dont have a job stone equipped it should reduce your level to cap at 35. That gives you plenty of leeway to get your job stone after level 30. That way you straight up cant queue for anything beyond Sunken Temple without a job.
At this point I think they should just remove the base jobs and equip everyone with their desired job stone at lvl 1
@@AshleyVsTheWorld That would take a much larger overhaul than just capping class levels. They would have to give us extra bars to make up for what we would be losing, likely remove job stones as an item in their entirety since unequipping then would leave you without a job or class, replace or rewrite all of the early job quests and probably more issues than I can foresee off the top of my head.
Training hall getting a makeover is years overdue and it being done in general is nice. Something else I'd like to see is players automatically upgrading from class to job at lv30 and instances requiring class /job quests completed up to queued instance level.
Hall of the Novice is for many outlandish and obscure. This announcement too, will doubtless get flame from those waiting for viera and hrothgar hats
I have made a macro to explain the orange stack marker since I have seen this so much misunderstanding in Praetorium, which might be the first instance of it. I only use the macro if we have runners or non-stackers. Some people are glad for the tip and others are just snippy. The Hall of the Novice should be incentivized before starting dungeons both for overview of mechanics and the understanding of roles.
6:00 As someone who played wow when they added the mandatory proving grounds, it does not go well. I would love for something mandatory like this to be in place so everyone queuing has practice on it, but when they locked off heroic dungeons via finishing the silver tier proving grounds, the casual playerbase lost their collective shit. The silver tier wasn't anything insane either, it asked you to do basic things like repositioning, interrupting, killing the caster/healer mob first, cleansing/esunaing etc and so many players just couldn't do it. They whined loud enough and for long enough that blizzard eventually removed the requirement.
Chnages 🎉
I really want mexican food now
War. War never chnages
Never underestimate the ability of certain players to ignore all efforts to teach them how to play your game. Or trolls that deliberately want to waste people's time. Or jaded players that need to touch grass thinking that every w2w pull will go exactly as it did the last time, or that taking an extra 30s 60s on a dungeon is the end of the world. 😅
“That sign won’t stop me cause I can’t read” energy
I think Hall of the Novice needs to be mandatory - as in, you cannot queue with other players until you learn the basics. Might be a bit harsh, but would you let someone drive if they haven't taken a driving test? (let alone passed)
Would you allow a person to join your pick-up schoolyard footbal game if they haven't graduated from football academy first?
@@SylvanFeanturi wrong comparison. Would you let a random kid join an actual official team for a superbowl game or whatever without proper training and experience?
100% agree. Hall of the Novice could also use an overhaul to give the player some basic understanding of common mechanic markers as well.
@@m0fn668 No, my comparison is perfectly apt. You're arguing about schoolyard kick around here. It's not important in the slightest.
@@SylvanFeanturi But you would hopefully teach them the basic. I would hope at least in High school there would be some proven level of skill needed. Some amount of train and practice applied. But I know the world has gone soft passing out the participation trophies. Making this a requirement is a basic way of making the game experience better for everyone involved. Just giving new players a little homework, wont hurt them. promise.
I think it should be required content for anyone who boosts. If they don't they are completely lost about what's going on in dungeons and raids.
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I think that it definitely something that people should do to help them learn mechanics. I think that most people will chafe at the idea of it being mandatory but if it's well done and useful people will want to do it. (Especially if they attach an award to it.)
The aurum vale cyclops is likely the first cyclops most players fight, so having the telegraphs visible I thought was a novel way to teach the association of cast bar names and aoe shapes. You can't force people to learn telegraphs, but for those who want to learn they can have a clear image in their mine of what the attack looks like when fighting other cyclops.
i gotta say, i do think that coincounter showing the aoe for 100 ton swing is actually a good thing as a new player. especially since the rest that ive seen have been untelegraphed. its nice to have an introduction to the attack, as ever since then, if i see 100 ton swing being cast, i know exactly what to do
The "graduation" shouldn't be mandatory for people with a level 50+ character on their account. Or we should have a big incentive to "graduate" - like a mount or some very nice glam.
Too many players have reached maximum level (too many times) for graduation to be mandatory - it would just be weird, like there is no need.
I do hall of Novice for every character I start as I'm still learning game
The ring you get at the end is useful for xp after all
@@touma-san91 And the gear set you get will last you to about level 30 before really needing to upgrade. Same level the XP boost from the ring goes away, coincidentally enough.
This might be an unpopular idea but I think that the Hall of the Novice should be added to the MSQ to unlock duties. While leveling people might gripe about it, even if they barely pay attention they WILL have the info given to them. and Level/story skips should require it at least once per account.
I've noticed lately, more tanks in instances are single pulling and healers are not offending. Might also be an observation bias going.
Instead of npcs holding players back with talk like "don't be too eager to rush headlong into danger", some of these players could do with a little "what's the worst that could happen?" in my wrong opinion
I think that Hall of the Novice content should be voice acted too. Some people (myself included) tend just ignore a lot of the text and then don't understand why they screwed up lol.Voice acting the content would be helpful frankly.
Imo they should NOT do rotation-training tutorials. Stone sky sea exists. The player has to mostly learn their rotations to pass those.
I would say make it mandatory at 49. As a reward give a chocobo mount with barding that matches Disciple of War, Magic, Tank? Just something that makes it being mandatory less of an issue.
I think both hall and a job sould be mandatory to que for duties after there respective levels
I don't think it needs to be required. Some people are better at learning by experience. You can tell thousands of people how to do it, but some just can't understand it unless you see it. And this is not the ideal way. It is boring and doesn't capture your attention at all. I never did Hall of Novice when I first played and I did not struggle at all. A lot of people just don't need it. And if you force people to do it, many people will just zone out and do whatever as fast as possible. Hallf of Novice is already annoying because it takes an annoying amount of time to do it when I don't need it. People can watch videos on youtube and it will be much faster. You should never require something like this. Let's not forget that a lot of people who play the game, they aren't doing it for PVE and you shouldn't require a non PVE'r to do it. Many just buy boosts so they can RP or do other things that isn't PVE.
as a sprout myself, I don't plan on boosting or skipping content (for the most part. we'll see how It goes later)
Even so, I really hope that they commit to this, the tutorials would be so helpful for everyone, boosted or not
Especially in DT! I've seen a WhM tell a Brd to just stay down and take the carry. When I protested with how is she supposed to learn, the WhM left the dungeon. This sort of thing is not a one-off either.
Hell yeah! More content to play through!
I will def do it
I started playing with dawntrails release and I felt the hall of novice was helpful but I did find myself confused during quite a few boss fights and had to rely on observation, trying to watch what others are doing while also trying to heal had me panicking quite a few times, I hope the new mechanic explanations will help some people not be confused like I was
I'd really like to see them add more ranks to the Grand Companies. Give new people something even more to work for.
I was wondering if we'd see this change come since the rework of ARR and the mechanics needing to be aligned to the endgame more closely. It makes sense.
A wise moogle once said;
"Mechanics are for cars, kupo!"
People who are not new players often forget they cannot gauge new player experience. Practice will teach you something important not even experienced players learn: what you need to learn.
You wont be successful in teaching something if the person in question is not aware it is important and new players wont know it until it becomes important TO THEM.
One thing ALL MMORPGs are guilty of is sacrificing new player experience with a concept of fun that is not in everyone's mind: Novelty.
If the game did not introduced so many instances in which you are taken from your character to perform "special task bar" or "vehicle combat" or other diverging gameplay unless you WANT it, people would invest themselves in the needs of a gameplay that is the core of their gameplay.
You are tired of your routines ? Try another job, try "specific" non mandatory quests in which you are a vehicle, you are a NPC, you are a dog, you are a pile of crap, dont matter. But they should stop "multiplying gameplay experience" unless it is something people are doing for the sake of that experience.
How would you really learn your class if you are required to do different things throughout gameplay, and then you are thrusted in a part of MSQ, or part of class, job, or role quests in which you have to not actually be your class, role or job ?
Lol, I love the emphasize on "big *_blue_* aoe", followed by a brief pause. I'd say it's more of a purple/red.
But yeah, I agree. tbh - I feel that doing the Hall of Novice training should be required to unlock new dungeons after a certain point. Yeah, they're a _little_ slow - but they really don't take _that_ long to do.
> On a similar note, Jobstones should be required for all dungeons Lv.30+. Don't they require them already for pvp?
I just started playing, luckily I have a good friend that has played since release that walked me through a bunch of stuff. I agree with learning the basics but don’t be too harsh on the newbies.
How did it take them this long to make this?
I agree that there is not enough information for new players on how the game mechanics work and what they look like. I don't think they need to waste the man hours for teaching rotation. You can teach yourself the rotation by using a combat dummy. Read your "tool tips." Besides there is time when the rotation goes out the window. Remember the key is always "situational awareness."
I'd like if this was something you could turn on on PF like duty completion. Still technically optional but I'd rather prog the encounter than prog basic mechanics. Perhaps they could include a few more things, like how to use interject and esuna. A group I was in once had to teach a tank how to use interject in Eureka Orthos on for 90ish floor. Plus it's always fun when you die to doom in Dun Scaith because neither healer uses esuna.
I don't think it should be mandatory for normal content but I could see a case for it being required for extremes or higher, at least in the duty finder not including premade groups.
All I wanted is increased glamor chest space to like 1k or 2k then glamor slots to 36
As much as I wish I could say its not necessary I have seen too many examples of people not understanding core mechanics like markers and using aoe attacks. I think it should be mandatory at least once per account if they could find a way to implement that.
when the MSQ takes you to the hall of the novice building for the first time just before Sastasha, it should mention in the dialog 'hey, if you do this you get an armor set and a ring that increase EXP"
since they arent making it mandatory they should do something similar for this updated version. 'if you do this you get a BETTER EXP ring than the prior one!' or even make it a bracer that stacks, idk.
with how many...idiots...ive seen recently in my roulettes i think they should be mandatory 100%
You don’t know how difficult is to push players to do the Hall of novice. Even that it gives a good armor for low levels.
But when you say “tutorial” everyone runs away from it.
Make it part of the msq some how.
I went there on my own deliberately with more than 15 years of World of Warcraft experience under my belt.
I do it for every role, both for the gear and the xp. The ring especially is a godsend.
@@HiddenEvilStudios i went on my own too.
I hope there is a glam or emote if you graduate. I am still going to do them for fun. :D
Mandatory mentors well...they are something else I am a mentor myself but I try to help and guide new people as best as I can
Add and explanation for esuna, I didn't know when things could be cleansed until stormblood...Someone had to explain it to me
If they are going to do it at level 49 let it give the level 50 poetics gear that would make the reward worth the time
Depends on how long it takes for the new ones. The level 15 ones only take about 15-20 minutes for all stages, per role, and any subsequent runs with another role (for their gear sets) is even faster because you can skip any shared stages that don't reward a piece of the gear set. If the lvl 49 stages take ~15-20 minutes per role, getting a full set of poetics gear might be a bit much.
But I would like them to reward something for sure, whether that's a new glam set, or maybe a one-time ~500 poetics (roughly equivalent to a single MSQ roulette reward), or something else I dunno. Maybe another XP bonus ring that's good for up to level 80 or 90.
Chnages 🤤
They should spawn boosters in the hall of novice and force them to finish it
Honestly I personally don't think we need a tutorial on game mechanics. I mean you can enter low lvl dungeons with NPCs now who already show the safe points in every mechanic. If that isn't tutorial enough...
Also let's be honest, failing certain mechanics was always a process of learning. How often did I feel so scared and embarrassed bc I had no idea what to do with certain markers or debuffs 😂 but in the end all of us learned. So why taking this away from newbies? Yes it can make you anxious but you remember the scene and learn from it. Usually. If not, well... dunno if a tutorial will be helpful then.
I haven't played ffxiv for like 4 or 5 years. I used to play it a lot maxed out a few classes. I have honestly played that much more Apex and been fed brainrot that I could log in now and have no idea what I'm doing. I'd be high level but play like I was born yesterday
Yooo they're gonna finish the tutorial before 2040
yeah... teaching players how to play the game is one of the biggest things that annoys me about the game. it's just not done well. MORE OVER, they don't properly prepare players for harder content. doing savages and understanding how they work is one of the key factors in gearing late game... while not required per say it's very much something that should be encouraged, and encouraged to go into blind.
The biggest defect the game has is that is has a rotation.
We have have no battles. Instead we have boring pre-scripted dances that do not change at all between interactions. Instead of rotations we should have attack, defense and counter attack. Something much less predictable than doing the same bullshit rotation over and over.
Heck the worse healers in the game are raid healers. They get too accustomed to pre-scripted healing that when they get into a dungeons they let the tank die. They are dancers. Not healers.
Nice chnages
Chnages
Shouldent be able to boost until you get at least to 50 I say
use the terms in concert with the mechs
got some good glam from hall of the novice, lol
0:37 no cuz there a lot of players who dont know what job stone is.
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Should rather change the TOS to where simply telling someone how to play the game can't be reported as "harassment"
Mandatory no, incentives for completing, yes
i think it should absolutely be mandatory for NEW players who purchase a lvl skip, at the very least. i TRY to be patient with sprouts, but the shit i've seen in aurum vale and praetorium... *shudder* even EXPLAINING it to them doesn't work half the time... then you end up yelling silly stuff like "EAT THE FRUIT, DON'T STAND IN PISS!!!!" and you start to question the life choices that lead you to these moments...
thought this was about the msq and how shit ARR is on that regard as an introduction to get people hooked
I have always had the opinion that Hall of the Novice should be FORCED for all new players.
No way should it be mandatory.
I'm glad they want to train players how to do mechanics. There's still no guarantee that players will learn anything from them lol.
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in all seriousness i do think hall of novice should be something everyone completes before at least the first dungeon. That should help not having people panic and run away with a stack marker or having a tank do a tank buster near the party etc. on the other hand - i guess that way they learn it the hard way :P
Blizzard tried to do a mandatory 'learning tool' and it caused people to quit so much that Blizzard abandoned it after just a few patches. People shouldn't be barred from the game until they pass an exam. That's not how people want to spend their free time. It is very important to remember this is a HOBBY. No lives are at stake. Nobody is hurt by someone screwing up. This is just for fun.
Forcing people to do it would be an ENORMOUS error. The occasional new player screwup is not a big problem - much better to not make people feel like they're second class citizens unless they pass an exam.
Better tools for people to learn? Absolute win. Keeping them optional? Also a win.
Not needed cus we never needed it to reach this point. This and Mahjong is just another example of them wasting development on things needed. This is only for players that only play with trusts and not with other players. This is a mmo and not a single player game. Its mostly just going to be ignored since this type of stuff isnt fun to begin with.
It should be optional. There's too much mandatory crap forced onto the player already.
Realm Reborn needs to be cut by at least half, most of that garbage quest design needs to be thrown out.
I don't think it should be mandatory.. Because there is plenty of players like I am who just mainly craft and gather, I could care less about doing dungeons, it's more of a necessity whenever they gate something behind them..
I think people should learn to enjoy the game and stop running everywhere. Once you realize your not going tovwin the game it gets fun. Or maybe just go back to wow...
Even better idea
FF14 is already very easy game. Failing mechanics during leveling is never (on its own) a wipe or death. When you fail a mechanic on first try... you'll do it correctly on second try, during the same run. But as long as it's not mandatory, then I don't care that it exists.
Or they can just lessen the amount of BS mechanics that bosses use. Having to constantly dodge overlapping AoEs of different shapes/sizes is not fun. Nor is it challenging. What is it? TEDIOUS. But I doubt SE will ever be smart enough to fix this problem.
Sometimes I wish I could experience being a new player again. Knowing nothing bout the game.