Roland RE-201 Space Echo VS Boss RE-20 at
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2018
- A dream truly came true at #TGU18 where I had the pleasure of playing a real vintage Roland RE-201 Space Echo and then comparing it with the digital pedal version of it, the Boss RE-20.
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One thing to keep in mind is that the folks at Roland modeled EVERYTHING into the digital pedal, including issues and idiosyncrasies. Any difference these guys noticed, nothing against him, I find it hard to believe they are actually there.
bought one RE20 when it came out, never left my pedalboard since! amazing pedal!
The Roland Re-201 it's alive. It breathes "ambientness" and you can actually talk with it.
Exactly! Such an emotional experience to play. It's just... WOW!
Wow very clean! You convinced me. I will buy it. Greetings!!! :)
You're buying an original vintage Roland RE-201 Space Echo?
Pedalboards of doom will love this video, man. Great work and thank you!
Thanks, man! Happy you like it. You’re more than welcome to share it with the PBoD group. Would mean a lot to me ❤️🙏
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You’re the best! Thank you so much ❤️🙏
Vini Reilly kept coming to mind on hearing this.
That OG Space Echo is so sweet.
I love Boss digital delays for a bright tone, but that original is just luscious.
Great sounds bro
Thanks, bud! And yeah, that OG Space Echo is just unreal. Can't be beat. The pedal version is neat, don't get me wrong, but maaaaaaan... The Roland RE-201 is just so atmospheric. Every note played through it just takes on a life of its own. I really need to get my hands on one some day. It needs to happen!
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I've always been partial to the Binson magnetic tape head, because of early Gilmour, but hearing all you guys using the Space Echo has me rethinking how great they are.
A dream piece of gear for me, the Roland re-201. I’m really happy for you Stefan :)
I've felt like something's been missing in my life since I left TGU18.... That thing is a Roland RE-201. I absolutely need one at some point in my life. I just want to live my life through it ❤
ThePedalZone I’ve been longing for one for years and your video has made me even more determined. You really show how incredible this unit can be.
ThePedalZone how do you think the boss pedal compares to the re-201?
They can't be compared. The Boss RE-20 is a nice delay, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't capture the full spirit of a real RE-201. Nothing can do that.
Love me my Livingroom Gear Demos T-shirt. Love supporting musicians on YT. If you come out with a T-shirt (Sorry if you have already and I didn't notice) I'll be one of the first to buy it!
Keep up the awesome content Stefan!
Eirik is a good friend of mine. I will rep his channel every time I get the chance. Love his videos. And yeah, I really should get working on a T-Shirt. I'm happy to hear you would wear one if it existed ❤
Well, the original is so great, I just can't afford to find a tech to hang around in case something goes wrong. So for me it has been the RE for a while now. Good vid guys.
RE 20 that is.
They dont go wrong that often. Replace tape and spring with felt
Although it costs more than the pedal, I find my RE 101 (the one with echo but no reverb) to actually be pretty reliable. I’ve had it for a year and used it heavily and have yet to encounter any problems. It’s built like a tank and is much less prone to breakdown than an Echoplex (I had the ep-3 breakdown 3 times in 2 months). The pedal also doesn’t have the preamp that the actual unit has. You can get some unique distortion by driving the input hard. You can get the Echoplex preamp pedal to somewhat get close, but the ep-3 has a different preamp than the space echo. If you have the extra cash, the space echo is worth it.
Universal Audio's Space Echo ( think it's called Galaxy Tape Echo now) is a pretty legit, dead-on emulation of this classic. Was debating forking over $950 for one on Reverb, but I don't think I'd be able to deal with paying to have it serviced if things go south on such an old unit. In the end all of UA's Unison products are top class and a great addition to the original and digital recreation.
This pedal is one of my favorite delays ever and the Ibanez DE 7, and I have a lot of delay pedals
That's great, man. It's a neat delay pedal. I agree with the DE7, that is a very underrated delay.
Im considering the RE20. But also am thibming about a eqd disaster transport or something similar that can get these tones. Any other pedal out there that can nail the space echo tones? DD500?
Also I heard it converts even the dry tone to digital. Thoughts?
I guess my real question is, would you say the RE20 is the closest pedal out there to the original Space Echo?
Damn they sound so lush, also that clean tone is amazing.
Do you remember what amp you used?
4:40 ... that spring reverb on the old RE-201 sounds great! I guess from listening to many vids, that could be the biggest disappointment about the Boss RE-20 ~ the spring reverb doesn't seem to try to get all that springiness and drip. However the actual tape delay sounds awesome in my opinion. I still think the reverb on the Boss RE-20 sounds good with it's tape delays but the reverb on it's own doesn't come close to the spring reverb on the original ( However, not I see they had the treble just over half so maybe missed some of the sounds there ~ around 5:48). I'm thinking I'd like to have this. I think I'd not have it on the floor but up so it could be manipulated while playing.
I’ve been thinking about getting the Roland Space Echo RE-201 but I can’t find measurements of it..
How wide is it?
Here's the dimensions: 415 (W) x 275 (D) x 185 (H) mm
Utilizing the stereo inputs and outputs makes this pedal really stand out.
Guys the sound here is beautiful. Did you record via a mic? Have you compared the 201 to the 301?
Thanks! Yes, recorded with mics in front of cabinets. Can't remember what mics though, since it was at a Thomann event and not at my studio. No, haven't compared a 201 and a 301, but you can't go wrong with any vintage Space Echo unit. They just sound incredible!
Sold an re201 much to my regret years ago. You can hear the difference between the analog and digital even on UA-cam. Tape over digital every time.
Damn! Sorry to hear about that, man. And yes, the difference is very obvious. I wouldn't say Tape over digital every time. I probably would prefer to bring the pedal with me on a tour. That's a bit more practical and cheaper ☺
That 12:00 mark 🙌🏼 Happiness
just got mine 2 days ago.. used a 201 and korg tape echoes back in the day...
cool pedal so addictive... nice demo
You're right! There is no much pedlas to emulate Space Echo. Do you know guys what other pedals can do this? Is for example some Strymon TimeLine algorithms based on Space Echo?
Empress Echosystem has a Space Echo setting. It is really something special in my opinion. But El Capistan will get you there well. TC Alter Ego and Flashback Toneprints. Nux Tape Core Deluxe. And of course a DD-500 has a Space Echo setting.
thanks
The new Boss RV-500 has a Space Echo setting. Not sure how close it is.
Why didn't you add the Boss ce1 or ce2w that you demoed 5 mins before? It would have been the perfect match
to demonstrate a delay sound clearly, in certain point, better don't play any note but only a muted strum/skank. so we can hear what's the effect actually doing rhythmically.
What amp were you playing through here, Stefan? Sounds glorious. Even the spring reverb on it sounds 10 times better than most modern emulations. I’ve dreamt of an RE-201 ever since I learned that’s what Jonny Greenwood uses.
Thanks, man! I think it was the Morgan amp, but I'm honestly not sure. It was so hot in those rooms, so my memory of what went down is a bit foggy. If I didn't have the sessions on video, I probably wouldn't be able to remember anything from there 😂 And yes, the spring reverb in the RE-201 is glorious. Actually better than the majority of amp spring tanks I've heard.
A fan of Radiohead too!
Jonny uses the pedal version nowadays the Boss RE20
He even use a Boss SD1 and OD3
Love how they dont really use much boutiue pedals : aside maybe Ed he got so many pedals ;)
Hey Stefan you should listen to radiohead king of limbs it’s such an experimental ambient album
Oh, I know that one. Actually my least favorite Radiohead album. Big fan of everything else they've made though.
Just a good example of there's nothing quite like the real thing.
Forgot. What's on the Vynil?
I mean, who or what is on the tracks?
It's all original compositions. Stuff that they wrote for the LP using the new reissue pedals.
"Sounds lush",that's all he can say about re20.Obviously he is not impressed by this pedal ,because he was already impressed by the real one,so if the point here was comparing the two and showing how a good copy re 20 is,I suppose they failed to do that,cause it's obvious the love the real one and they show it with their face expressions.
The point was just to compare them. Not show which one is better. That’s all up to the viewers to decide. We all have different Tonal preferences, and are all drawn to different things. And yes, I greatly preferred the original, but the RE20 is still a nice delay pedal. I would pick the RE20 for gigging reliability any day of the week 👍
Stefan, was there a moment where you thought he was going to give you the Boss Compact Pedal 40th Anniversary Box Set? 😄
No, I hoped he was gonna give me that Space Echo 😂
@@thepedalzone ; Hahahaha...., wouldn’t that be a surprise? 😬👍
I don’t know what to get boss space echo or death by audio rooms
Insanely different pedals, so it all depends on what you need really. A classic tape echo or an experimental reverb?
@@thepedalzone the space echo is one of my favorites the original one, but the stereo reverb pedal by death by audio is really good too, but what I did was buy new guitar instead. Those nights I thought long about this and got a new guitar instead
Hey Stefan if you like delay you should demo the Jim Dunlop ep 3 echoplex delay
If I like delay??? Have you even watched my channel? I freaking love delay. Thought that was very obvious 😊
Sorry bro just worded it wrong
Sorry bro just worded it wrong
No offense taken. And I meant no harm 😊 I just thought it was funny. I’m so deeply infatuated with Delay. I would be playing guitar at all if I hadn’t discovered what a delay pedal could do way back in the day. So yeah, I like delay ❤️
Either the mix is too hot or the preamp on the RE20 is so bad it's emanating an unintentional distortion overdrive. The sampling reproduction range of the RE20 is choking the instrument source's harmonics.
Get some fresh air?
Bhaii rolend boss ka digital multi echo chahiye aapko muh magi kimat fuga re10000 rolend boss multi echo
Hmm. I'm not satisfied Stefan...sorry. ONLY 12 MINUTES? SHORT! Re-201 is the best of the best. Try to borrow an RV500 and try the Space Echo mode on it. Funny how better then the DD500 tape echo mode, or the RE-20. Ofcourse not the same as the RE-201, but very good. So try it with your sound. (disclaimer: Pass a Big Sky for RV500 becase the space echo mode)
Sorry, dude. We had strict time limits at TGU18. I think we managed to cover a lot with the time we had. Thanks for watching 😊🤘
Hmm. then i have to talk with Henning! :D Btw very good job! Keep on!
Really? RV500 Space Echo mode better than DD500? You'd think they'd use the same software and hardware for that.
In this case, I think a direct comparison wasn't a good idea. Apologies to modern Roland...
Pedal sounds dog shit compared to the space echo.
The Boss remake sounds like shit
No, not really. It pales compared to the original unit, for sure, but that doesn’t mean it sounds like shit. I would pick the remake over the original for live gigging every day of the week.